2010 ZX10 battery issues - Please help

[jafa21]

Hi guys. I am having some issues with my ZX10 battery. Please provide some experienced help to rectify.
Heres the background:
-29 Nov 2014 - crashed road zx10 on trackday. (the bike hasnt been ridden since)
-Sat in the workshop for a month or so getting fixed etc
-i have turned the zx10 into a track bike. so all the lights, indicators have been taken off.
-about 4 weeks ago i tried loading the bike to the trailer to practice. So i know the bike was starting and working then
-2 weeks ago i tried turning the bike on again and it wouldnt work. So with the help of a friend i pushed started it and it started. I then left it on running for about 10 mins and turned it off. tried again after 10 mins and it didnt work. tried to push start again but with minimal effort and it didnt start. SO i thought its the battery drained out and i have a charger and i will charge it later.
-yesterday i hooked the small battery charger that i have that can jump start cars and is supposed to be ok to use to the bike.
- as soon as i hook it up the bike dash comes on but not enough juice to start the bike.
-one hour later tried again. that time the bike tried to start but felt like there is no petrol (there is enough petrol in it)
-left it overnight to charge. the battery charger and the bike is back to fully dead.

What do you think the problem is and what i can do to fix it
details of the charger i am using.
Cpacity: 12000mAh
outputs: 2X5V/2.1A, 1X12V/10A
Jump start current - 200-400A
http://tinyurl.com/m48j3n7

I need to get it fixed urgently. Please help.

[BMWST?]

maybe i cant read properly but it doesnt say it will recharge the 12v battery.?

[Scubbo]

sounds like the battery isnt holding charge anymore, get a new one.

[paturoa]

Sounds like a dead battery. Disconnect the pos lead from the bike an charge it. When you've finished charging it (assuming lead acid batt) measure the voltage, should be some where between 12.3 and 12.6 volts.

How do you know your charger is working OK?

[mossy1200]

Its says it comes with life time tech support. Have you asked them what they think?



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[bogan]

maybe i cant read properly but it doesnt say it will recharge the 12v battery.?

That's how I read it too.

[jafa21]

maybe i cant read properly but it doesnt say it will recharge the 12v battery.?

the reason i think it can charge the 12v or motorcycle battery is that there is a little symbol of motorcycle on the box and also one of the outputs is 12V/10A

[jafa21]

Sounds like a dead battery. Disconnect the pos lead from the bike an charge it. When you've finished charging it (assuming lead acid batt) measure the voltage, should be some where between 12.3 and 12.6 volts.

How do you know your charger is working OK?

I dont know if the charger is working ok. I can only assume because the dash lights up immediately after hooking it up and after an hour when i try starting the bike, it makes the noise as if it want to start the engine. like it normally does when you push the starter. but it keeps making the noise and the engine doesnt start.
and then i left it overnight and the battery charger and the battery both were fully dead.

[jafa21]

Its says it comes with life time tech support. Have you asked them what they think?



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i am not sure that will help. I still need to charge my bike battery.

[nzspokes]

Sounds like a stuffed battery. If its the original one to the bike its due for one.

[bogan]

the reason i think it can charge the 12v or motorcycle battery is that there is a little symbol of motorcycle on the box and also one of the outputs is 12V/10A

12V 10A will not properly charge a motorcycle battery; the picture could be because it can jump start one though.

[jafa21]

Sounds like a stuffed battery. If its the original one to the bike its due for one.

can the battery just die? i thought i would find it loosing power overtime etc.

[jafa21]

12V 10A will not properly charge a motorcycle battery; the picture could be because it can jump start one though.

ya thats probably what it means. but why cant it jump start it then?

[nzspokes]

can the battery just die? i thought i would find it loosing power overtime etc.

Yup. Had that a couple of times and same on the car.

But check out your charger first by the sounds.

[mossy1200]

i am not sure that will help. I still need to charge my bike battery.

So you contacted the tech support and they couldn't help?

[jafa21]

Yup. Had that a couple of times and same on the car.

But check out your charger first by the sounds.

what do you mean check out my charger?
what can i do with the charger?

[jafa21]

So you contacted the tech support and they couldn't help?

no i havent. i am wondering what that will do? I am not even sure if they even have tech support here in NZ?

[roogazza]

Same as the other posters, Is the charger charging and if so is the battery ok ? Either or ?
I trickle charge my bike each week to keep it charged.I'm too old to fuck about, pushing fucking motorbikes.
A good battery is important for these modern bikes.

[jafa21]

Same as the other posters, Is the charger charging and if so is the battery ok ? Either or ?
I trickle charge my bike each week to keep it charged.I'm too old to fuck about, pushing fucking motorbikes.
A good battery is important for these modern bikes.

I dont know the answers to these and not sure how to find these answers. I was hoping you guys can help me on that :)
I will try getting the battery replaced. See what happens.

[roogazza]

I dont know the answers to these and not sure how to find these answers. I was hoping you guys can help me on that :)
I will try getting the battery replaced. See what happens.

can someone,(a garage) put a meter on the battery for ya ?
Might save buying a battery?
Can the charger be checked at the same time ?

[mossy1200]

no i havent. i am wondering what that will do? I am not even sure if they even have tech support here in NZ?

The reason I ask is after watching the you tube clips and reading several reviews it seems the units primary function is to provide cranking amp and voltage for starting a vehicle then leaving connected for up to next 30 secs lets the vehicle alternator take over.

It seems the charging function is more aimed at laptops and phones where sustained current draw to charge is very low.

I could be wrong but I cant see it charging a flat vehicle battery
Contacting the tech advise would confirm this.

Use a car battery disconnected from your car with jumper leads to start bike(or your unit if its still working). Once started disconnect jumpers and measure voltage at bike battery. Should be around 12.5 at idle and over 13volts at 3k revs. That will tell you if your alternator and regulator in the bike are working.
If good remove battery and take it to battery shop or put it on a recovery charger unit to see if its good.

[jafa21]

will this product work to charge the battery?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/batteries-mounts/auction-838586452.htm

I dont have a spare car battery and i dont want to disconnect my car battery.

[jafa21]

The reason I ask is after watching the you tube clips and reading several reviews it seems the units primary function is to provide cranking amp and voltage for starting a vehicle then leaving connected for up to next 30 secs lets the vehicle alternator take over.

It seems the charging function is more aimed at laptops and phones where sustained current draw to charge is very low.

I could be wrong but I cant see it charging a flat vehicle battery
Contacting the tech advise would confirm this.

Use a car battery disconnected from your car with jumper leads to start bike(or your unit if its still working). Once started disconnect jumpers and measure voltage at bike battery. Should be around 12.5 at idle and over 13volts at 3k revs. That will tell you if your alternator and regulator in the bike are working.
If good remove battery and take it to battery shop or put it on a recovery charger unit to see if its good.

I have sent tech support an email. will keep you posted when they reply. But i probably dont have enough time to wait for them to reply.

will this product work to charge the battery?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-838586452.htm

I dont have a spare car battery and i dont want to disconnect my car battery.

[jafa21]

I have sent tech support an email. will keep you posted when they reply. But i probably dont have enough time to wait for them to reply.

will this product work to charge the battery?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-838586452.htm

I dont have a spare car battery and i dont want to disconnect my car battery.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=838586452

[mossy1200]

I have sent tech support an email. will keep you posted when they reply. But i probably dont have enough time to wait for them to reply.

will this product work to charge the battery?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-838586452.htm

I dont have a spare car battery and i dont want to disconnect my car battery.

Your link is a menu page.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/electrics/auction-840733721.htm

That's what I have. Seems ok and shows you a bit of battery information as its charging. Comes with a plug unit you can install onto bike for easy connection. It wont jump start your bike when the battery is flat though its only functions are charging and maintaining battery.

[bogan]

Have you got a voltmeter? if so, push start the ike and check what voltage the battery is at when running; report back.

If not, go find a voltmeter and see above.

[jafa21]

Have you got a voltmeter? if so, push start the ike and check what voltage the battery is at when running; report back.

If not, go find a voltmeter and see above.

I tried push starting and it wont start. No i dont have a volt/multi meter

[paturoa]

I tried push starting and it wont start. No i dont have a volt/multi meter

Where in dorkland do you live? Perhaps an inmate can visit with a meter.

[jafa21]

Where in dorkland do you live? Perhaps an inmate can visit with a meter.

That would be great.

Pah Road, royal oak.
Call me please 021 04 83 789

[jafa21]

alright. so i called AA just to see what they think. I really am desperate and need to get it going by friday.
The AA guy hooked his battery charger to the bike and the bike did the same thing. it turns the engine but no fire or no ignition. (same as when i charged with my little charger)
Then he sprayed the air intake (by the air filter) with CRC engine strat (25% ether) and hooked the battery back on and it fired for a milli second or so. It was definetly going.
So he is thinking for some reason the bike is not getting any fuel. I am thinking Glenn from Just fairings unhooked some fuel connection to the bike. It has been behaving like this only after Just fairings worked on it. It pushed started before I took it just fairings.

Any thoughts now?

[The End]

So he is thinking for some reason the bike is not getting any fuel. I am thinking Glenn from Just fairings unhooked some fuel connection to the bike. It has been behaving like this only after Just fairings worked on it. It pushed started before I took it just fairings.

Any thoughts now?

Take off the fairings and investigate the fuel connection(s) then. Even if you find a leaky or unplugged fuel connection it still sounds as though you need a new battery.

[jafa21]

Take off the fairings and investigate the fuel connection(s) then. Even if you find a leaky or unplugged fuel connection it still sounds as though you need a new battery.

I checked. I couldnt find anything that is disconnected. I am hoping its just a loose connection. I will probably take it to spectrum tomorrow if George from motorcycle doctors cant come over tomorrow.

[mossy1200]

I think your bike has a tilt sensor that cuts the fuel pump. If you don't have a battery that's good then it wont reset.
With correct voltage and cycling the ignition on and off a few times this sensor resets.
Was the bike on it side at any stage lately?

Your going to need tell us what electrics you have connected from the harness if its anything more than the indicators.

[jafa21]

I think your bike has a tilt sensor that cuts the fuel pump. If you don't have a battery that's good then it wont reset.
With correct voltage and cycling the ignition on and off a few times this sensor resets.
Was the bike on it side at any stage lately?

Your going to need tell us what electrics you have connected from the harness if its anything more than the indicators.

Nothing is connected. Indicators and lights have been removed. Everything was disconnected except for the dash. Dash/speedo still works.


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[mossy1200]

What did you do with the stand switch?
If it wont bump start in gear it could be the stand switch is preventing it starting.
Is the stand switch normally open circuit or closed circuit.
Does the fuel pump prime up when you have battery power?
Have you had enough battery to cycle the ignition on and off a few times.

I cant find a wiring diagram online for your bike that's free. Do you have one?

[jafa21]

What did you do with the stand switch?
If it wont bump start in gear it could be the stand switch is preventing it starting.
Is the stand switch normally open circuit or closed circuit.
Does the fuel pump prime up when you have battery power?
Have you had enough battery to cycle the ignition on and off a few times.

I cant find a wiring diagram online for your bike that's free. Do you have one?

I am not sure what was done to the stand switch. The stand switch used to work so that i couldn't start the bike if the stand was down.
Not sure about the other questions of yours.
Dont have a wiring diagram.
I think someone like spectrum will know what to fix straight away. I am gonna take it in tomorrow. Thanks for your help. Dont waste anymore of your time trying to figure out the problem. Your help is much appreciated.


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[mossy1200]

I am not sure what was done to the stand switch. The stand switch used to work so that i couldn't start the bike if the stand was down.
Not sure about the other questions of yours.
Dont have a wiring diagram.
I think someone like spectrum will know what to fix straight away. I am gonna take it in tomorrow. Thanks for your help. Dont waste anymore of your time trying to figure out the problem. Your help is much appreciated.


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Assuming your racing this bike im assuming the stand has been removed that's why I asked about the stand switch. Trying to bump start it involves being in gear so if you removed the stand but didn't do anything with the switch the bike wont run.

[jafa21]

Assuming your racing this bike im assuming the stand has been removed that's why I asked about the stand switch. Trying to bump start it involves being in gear so if you removed the stand but didn't do anything with the switch the bike wont run.

Sorry forgot to mention. The stand hasnt been removed. Its same as before.


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[mossy1200]

Sorry forgot to mention. The stand hasnt been removed. Its same as before.




Cool. Its most likely a good battery and cycling the key on and off will reset any errors the ecu has which could be preventing fuel pump from starting up or if the fuel pump unit is in the base of the tank it hasn't been plugged back in again.

[Edbear]

I am not sure what was done to the stand switch. The stand switch used to work so that i couldn't start the bike if the stand was down.
Not sure about the other questions of yours.
Dont have a wiring diagram.
I think someone like spectrum will know what to fix straight away. I am gonna take it in tomorrow. Thanks for your help. Dont waste anymore of your time trying to figure out the problem. Your help is much appreciated.


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Spectrum has a great rep. Ask them about Shorai batteries too... :innocent:

[nzspokes]

Spectrum has a great rep. Ask them about Shorai batteries too... :innocent:

Yeah my dealings with them has been very good.

[BMWST?]

does the bike have a "reserve " or "prime" fuel tap position?.Try that just for kicks.May be a neighbour has a proper battery charger.Both of those ones you linked to earlier at 20 and 30 amp hour would be marginal for a big bike battery system

[mossy1200]

does the bike have a "reserve " or "prime" fuel tap position?.Try that just for kicks.May be a neighbour has a proper battery charger.Both of those ones you linked to earlier at 20 and 30 amp hour would be marginal for a big bike battery system

My zx14r only has a 14amp hr battery. Its most likely his zx10r has a similar size battery.
The 30amp hour charger I linked seems to handle mine and the 18amp hr battery I have in café racer ok.
It doesn't seem to take very long to bring the battery up to 90% then it seems to change function and slow down.

[jafa21]

I could be wrong but I cant see it charging a flat vehicle battery
Contacting the tech advise would confirm this.
.

Tech support replied:
"The powerall deluxe model is sufficient to jumpstart a 12 volt battery for you motorcycle. The unit itself is meant to jumpstart the vehicle and not meant to charge a vehicle battery. "

[jafa21]

Alright guys, turns out the tilt sensor was removed at the time of removal of stock fairings.
It is mounted on a big bracket which bolts to the bike.
The battery was also buggered. Couldnt hold the charge.
Gotta new battery and tilt sensor plugged and it all works.

Thanks a lot for your time and effort.
Never doubted your ability :)
Mossy mentioned it could be the tilt sensor...

[BuzzardNZ]

Alright guys, turns out the tilt sensor was removed at the time of removal of stock fairings.
It is mounted on a big bracket which bolts to the bike.
The battery was also buggered. Couldnt hold the charge.
Gotta new battery and tilt sensor plugged and it all works.

Thanks a lot for your time and effort.
Never doubted your ability :)
Mossy mentioned it could be the tilt sensor...

What kind?

[jafa21]

Not sure. I havent picked up the bike yet. Will keep you posted


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