Ocean1
29th March 2015, 09:40
They have to be in order to circumvent the soveriegn laws (which help protect the little people from big predators) that interfere with corporate objectives (they only have one). Anyway, corporations are also some of the signatories,
You don’t like politicians changing laws? How do you think current law was established? If you’re so uptight about inappropriate interference in politics you’d have to outlaw the Labour party’s institutional reliance on union votes on policy issues wouldn’t you?
If the TPPA was really good for the people of any of the participating countries (as opposed to good for the corporations and bad for the people) why aren’t the conditions of the agreement open to public scrutiny in any of the participating countries?...... That’s largely a rhetorical question by the way, as the answer is already well documented. (google is not your friend, but can enlighten you if you are interested). Aw! what the fuck. People who learned of some of the conditions during earlier 'open' negotiations, let their politicians know that they weren't happy with the proposed loss of protection afforded by sovereign laws that would be nullified under the agreements. The negotiations stalled then restarted (underground and in secret).
Just how much more obvious does it need to be? [/I]
Who else stands to benefit from access to sensitive trading negotiations? Those big corporations would just love to get some advanced notice of how their markets plan to deal with them in future wouldn’t they? Isn’t that reason at least as obvious?
And those “sovereign laws”, we’re talking duty and import tax rules here aren’t we? The same rules that protected the NZ public from all of those crap Japanese vehicle manufacturers and insisted that we buy one of the outstanding products from NZMC, or Ford NZ, perhaps a nice HQ holden?
The rules that protected a few laughably incompetent local corporations and their equally laughable employees from the real world? Those that, when removed saw half of the third world suddenly change from subsistence farmers to successful, productive manufacturers?
The insinuation that our interests are safely in hand through proportional representation by politicians (may as well be car dealers) has to be a fucking joke right! Politicians are the fuckers who send young sheep to war (often based on lies). The pricks specialise in telling lies about themselves and each other to themselves, each other and us just to take attention away from the broken promises they told to get elected.
Our politicians have infinitely more in common with their shareholding buddies than any of the tax herd. Yeah! Sure you can trust them not to shaft us. History is full of tales about politicians who threw themselves on the sword for the good of the people.
Again, the politicians that draughted the current set of rules were a bunch of clever, insightful and upright members if the community but the current ones aren’t? Please stop, it’s embarrassing.
Oh, and if you’d rather be “led” by academics and socialists intent on “protecting” us then I can only suggest that it might be a good thing that your influence on such things is limited to that tiny single vote you disparage.
See, of all of the multitude of flavours humankind has tasted over the years democratic capitalism has finally proved to work best , not just for that mill boss caricature you love to hate but for the world in general. It seems likely that even an adherent to such might find a bunch of shit in this trade agreement that he don’t like. Be silly for me to expect it all my way too, wouldn’t it? But let’s not try to paint this as some sort of tool of corporate slavery, in spite of all of the socialist noise to the contrary it’s nothing of the sort.
The TPPA is ... An illicit plan formulated in secret by a group of highly placed persons involving duplicity and deceit to mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights in order to achieve personal advantage.
In which case you’ll have no problem ignoring or altering it later, should it transpire that you don’t approve of those advantaged, will you? But I’m picking it’ll be more of the same improvements to fair trade we’ve seen over the last half century or so.
You don’t like politicians changing laws? How do you think current law was established? If you’re so uptight about inappropriate interference in politics you’d have to outlaw the Labour party’s institutional reliance on union votes on policy issues wouldn’t you?
If the TPPA was really good for the people of any of the participating countries (as opposed to good for the corporations and bad for the people) why aren’t the conditions of the agreement open to public scrutiny in any of the participating countries?...... That’s largely a rhetorical question by the way, as the answer is already well documented. (google is not your friend, but can enlighten you if you are interested). Aw! what the fuck. People who learned of some of the conditions during earlier 'open' negotiations, let their politicians know that they weren't happy with the proposed loss of protection afforded by sovereign laws that would be nullified under the agreements. The negotiations stalled then restarted (underground and in secret).
Just how much more obvious does it need to be? [/I]
Who else stands to benefit from access to sensitive trading negotiations? Those big corporations would just love to get some advanced notice of how their markets plan to deal with them in future wouldn’t they? Isn’t that reason at least as obvious?
And those “sovereign laws”, we’re talking duty and import tax rules here aren’t we? The same rules that protected the NZ public from all of those crap Japanese vehicle manufacturers and insisted that we buy one of the outstanding products from NZMC, or Ford NZ, perhaps a nice HQ holden?
The rules that protected a few laughably incompetent local corporations and their equally laughable employees from the real world? Those that, when removed saw half of the third world suddenly change from subsistence farmers to successful, productive manufacturers?
The insinuation that our interests are safely in hand through proportional representation by politicians (may as well be car dealers) has to be a fucking joke right! Politicians are the fuckers who send young sheep to war (often based on lies). The pricks specialise in telling lies about themselves and each other to themselves, each other and us just to take attention away from the broken promises they told to get elected.
Our politicians have infinitely more in common with their shareholding buddies than any of the tax herd. Yeah! Sure you can trust them not to shaft us. History is full of tales about politicians who threw themselves on the sword for the good of the people.
Again, the politicians that draughted the current set of rules were a bunch of clever, insightful and upright members if the community but the current ones aren’t? Please stop, it’s embarrassing.
Oh, and if you’d rather be “led” by academics and socialists intent on “protecting” us then I can only suggest that it might be a good thing that your influence on such things is limited to that tiny single vote you disparage.
See, of all of the multitude of flavours humankind has tasted over the years democratic capitalism has finally proved to work best , not just for that mill boss caricature you love to hate but for the world in general. It seems likely that even an adherent to such might find a bunch of shit in this trade agreement that he don’t like. Be silly for me to expect it all my way too, wouldn’t it? But let’s not try to paint this as some sort of tool of corporate slavery, in spite of all of the socialist noise to the contrary it’s nothing of the sort.
The TPPA is ... An illicit plan formulated in secret by a group of highly placed persons involving duplicity and deceit to mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights in order to achieve personal advantage.
In which case you’ll have no problem ignoring or altering it later, should it transpire that you don’t approve of those advantaged, will you? But I’m picking it’ll be more of the same improvements to fair trade we’ve seen over the last half century or so.