David Bain

[AllanB]

Jesus - the media are still talking about this shit.

Apparently he wants zillions from the Government in compo for being locked up.


I appear to have a totally uneducated absolutely basis opinion on this subject that really has little justification given my total lack of research into the claim.

Thus I feel absolutely entitled to post on Kiwibiker (see I have obviously read our site rules - one MUST form a opinion regardless of having any knowledge about the subject in question).

I am however oddly interested in other peoples opinions on the subject of Bain and $$$$$$$$$


Post away. May I preempt Alzles post: Fuckin Jews need to front up and root themselves - or something along those lines. I may be doing him a injustice though and look forward to his post.

[MD]

He committed hideous crimes against fashion wearing THAT jersey. The 13 odd years in lock up should be considered fair punishment for his fashion crime which would have run concurrently with the murder sentence. So it all balances out in the end.

[sidecar bob]

Pay the poor bastard out & move on. The Maoris have been paid out zillions more for pretending to be aggrieved about pretending to be the indigenous people of NZ.

[oldrider]

Bain was judged not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt and set free - that does not mean he is innocent - simply not proved guilty!

No problem with that - grant him his freedom!

Now he wants compensation - "NO" - not unless he (or somebody else) can prove that he "is" actually innocent! - if he can do that - pay him out! - End of story! :wait:

[Akzle]

find the instance i have capitalised "Jews". go ahead.



as for bain, he was framed by the crown. should he get compo? yes. will he? unlikely.

guilty or not, they did not have enough evidence to convict him. and in a country that pretends to presume innocence until proof of guilt, it's a dangerous precedent to set.

...because of them fucken jews.

[AllanB]

Whattttt someone hack Aklzes password, darn post almost makes good sense. Hmmmm he has a point regarding the capitalization of the J.


The jersey is a interesting story - I too remember the first images of Mr Bain cuffed and being escorted by the Police wearing that hideous jersey. I rapidly concluded GUILTY on the basis of the pedo jersey - surely he must have flipped and shot the lot of them.

HOWEVER

It turns out the jersey was provided by the police out of a lost and found box as he was cold ..............

[Katman]

I too remember the first images of Mr Bain cuffed and being escorted by the Police wearing that hideous jersey. I rapidly concluded GUILTY on the basis of the pedo jersey - surely he must have flipped and shot the lot of them.


You should probably avoid jury service.

[Murray]

I still cannot understand why through this whole sad affair David Bain always refused to take the stand??

[mr bucketracer]

It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies
Again a lucky guess hen DB told police officer they are all dead
The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.
The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence
The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses
The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living
David’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time
David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience
Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes
Robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder
The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there
Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails
David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies
The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit
Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide
That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.
Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message
Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder
Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails
Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?
That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?
That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.
That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch
That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.
That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David
That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.
That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.
That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live
That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death
That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.
That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.
That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.
That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.

[Akzle]

I still cannot understand why through this whole sad affair David Bain always refused to take the stand??

that's called "sound legal advice"

otherwise known as "lawyerjews is tricky with words"

as calvin coolidge said: "i've never been hurt by anything i didn't say"

[Akzle]

also, legally (jewly) you have the right against self incrimination.

[Akzle]

It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies
Again a lucky guess hen DB told police officer they are all dead
The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.
The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence
The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses
The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living
David’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time
David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience
Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes
Robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder
The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there
Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails
David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies
The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit
Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide
That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.
Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message
Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder
Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails
Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?
That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?
That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.
That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch
That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.
That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David
That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.
That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.
That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live
That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death
That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.
That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.
That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.
That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.

just quickly here, can we get your opinion on 9/11?


also. with so much apparent "evidence" - why did the police feel the need to plant more?

[awa355]

If that jersey had've been a cardigan:eek::eek::eek:, then would there have been any doubts at all??? as to his guilt?? :wait::wait::wait:

[Grumph]

It was a lucky guess when David Bain told 111 ambulance officer they are all dead, despite later saying he only saw two bodies
Again a lucky guess hen DB told police officer they are all dead
The 25 minute gap between DB finding his family dead and calling 111 is in no way connected with trying to wash clothes and removed blood.
The bruise on David’s head and scratches on his chest and graze on his knee – none of which he could explain, were just a coincidence
The lens from his glasses found in Stephen’s room happened weeks ago and he never noticed OR someone else had borrowed the glasses
The lack of fresh injuries on Robin despite the massive struggle with Stephen is just the product of healthy living
David’s finger prints on gun are from a previous time
David telling a friend he had premonition something bad was going to happen was a genuine psychic experience
Stephen’s blood on David’s clothing was nothing to do with the struggle – OR someone else borrowed his clothes
Robin managed to execute his family on a full bladder
The lock and key to the rifle being found in David’s room is not relevant as they were obviously placed there
Robin decided to wash David’s green jersey to remove blood and the fibres from jersey found under Steven’s finger nails
David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies
The Ambulance officer was wrong when he said in his opinion Bain was pretending to have a fit
Robin Bain would logically wear gloves to prevent fingerprints despite it being a murder-suicide
That Robin Bain would type a message on a computer for David telling him he is the only one who deserves to live, instead of writing a note. A hand written note incidentally would have cleared David.
Also that having just shot his family, and knowing David was due home, that Robin would wait 44 seconds for the computer to boot up to leave a message
Robin would decide David deserved to live, but go out of his way to frame him for murder
Robin Bain placed fibres from Davids jersey under Stephen’s finger nails
Robin Bain would shoot himself with a gun in the most awkward way possible?
That Robin Bain changed jerseys after he had killed his family and in particular Stephen Bain, washed the jersey, hung it on the line and then change into a brown jersey before killing himself?
That there is a logical reason that David Bain can not account for the injuries on his face, the bruise or the scraped knee, yet knows he did not have them during his paper run.
That Robin Bain put blood on the inside of David’s duvet and on his light switch
That there is an innocent explanation for why David says he put on washing before he discovered the bodies, yet there is a blood print on the washing machine.
That Laniet was being paranoid when she told friends she was scared of David
That the “family meeting” David called the previous night and insisted everyone attended was not a way to make sure everyone would be at home to kill.
That Robin Bain would wear a hat while shooting himself in the head.
That even though David told a relative he hated his father, his father did not know this and deliberately decided David was the only one who deserved to live
That David either imagined hearing Laniet gurgling or she gurgled 20 minutes after death
That Laniet allegations of incent with Robin was true, as was her claims she had given birth three times by the age of 12 and a half.
That Robin Bain managed to kill four family members without a single trace of his blood, skin, or DNA being left at the scene.
That it is a coincidence that on the morning of the murders Bain took his dog onto a property, ensuring he would be noticed to give him an alibi.
That the magazine found balanced on an edge next to Robin was not placed there by David but fell onto its edge from Robin’s arms.

When i met you and your family I was impressed by how a family from Palmy could hold such trenchant views on an event which happened in Dunedin...I would also have expected a little more sympathy given your bro's a dead spitt'in image of DB...
I don't know who did it - or care - but if a jury said not guilty you have to wonder at the government's attitude of stalling till he dies of old age.

[AllanB]

You should probably avoid jury service.

A fair call Kman and hand on heart I have managed to successfully avoid several requests for jury duty in the past. It's not that I so much object to being on the jury I do object to whatever fucking Government is in power deciding they have a maximum contribution to the amount they will pay me whilst on Jury duty regardless of the income. I have so far been employed by companies who will 'top-up' the difference so I am not disadvantaged while deciding if some scum-bag is guilty or not but I may not be in the future.

Check your employment agreement. Are you covered?

My current employer will 'top-up' but they will not write a letter to excuse me (being Government owned and all apparently that would be wrong) from jury duty.

I do have a master plan. If called during their employment I shall rock up on the first day of picking suitable members of the jury and proudly display my new 'GUILTY' T-shirt.

Is this wrong? Am I avoiding my civic rights? Will this result in a painful hemorrhoid?

But most importantly should I drink less wine before posting on KB?

[nodrog]

They will have to change the law first if they wish to pay him compensation.

[nodrog]

.... If called during their employment I shall rock up on the first day of picking suitable members of the jury and proudly display my new 'GUILTY' T-shirt.

.....

you can just borrow my "Calm down, lets not turn this rape into a murder" T-shirt.

[Swoop]

Bain was judged not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt and set free - that does not mean he is innocent - simply not proved guilty!
The Privy Council stated the verdict of "Not Proven", meaning that if the evidence presented to them were to have been presented to the original jury the prosecution's case would have resulted in guilt being "not proven".

Pay the man what he is due for years of incarceration and legal wrangling.
Fuck sakes, the money spent on review, then re-review, and counter review because the lunatic injustice minister was on the rag that day, independent overseas review, new-minister's review with new consultants would have paid the man handsomely already!

[sugilite]

A fair call Kman

Check your employment agreement. Are you covered?
?

I have met Katmans boss, he is a tight prick, so he won't be covered at all :lol:

[mr bucketracer]

just quickly here, can we get your opinion on 9/11?


also. with so much apparent "evidence" - why did the police feel the need to plant more?i have i few films on the 9/11 , dont realy want to get into it , as for david to much stuff points at him . a father with 2-3 blood drips on him( his own) with clean clothes and shoes no finger prints on the gun lucky to reach the trigger of the gun ( father doing it ,just dont cut it for me )

[Akzle]

Pay the man what he is due for years of incarceration and legal wrangling.
Fuck sakes, the money spent on review, then re-review, and counter review because the lunatic injustice minister was on the rag that day, independent overseas review, new-minister's review with new consultants would have paid the man handsomely already!

yes but you're missing the point.
1) all those people are crown agents, taking money off the public to pay them is SOP, if it's for something fucking ridiculous and in amounts disproportionate, so much the better.

2) the "justice" system wants to be advertised as infallible and unflappable and "not bowing to populist opinion" or some shit.
to admit they were wrong, on such a public case, might raise some questions in the minds of even the fluoridated, about the corruption of the police, nay, the entire crown horseshittery.

but probably not. because MOOOOOOOOO fuckers.

[F5 Dave]

i have i few films on the 9/11 , dont realy want to get into it , as for david to much stuff points at him . a father with 2-3 blood drips on him( his own) with clean clothes and shoes no finger prints on the gun lucky to reach the trigger of the gun ( father doing it ,just dont cut it for me )

That a teenage boy would do some washing, that gets it for me.

Anyway shouldn't you be trying to protect 'Kerry's' innocence now he's living incognito within your clan?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The Privy Council stated the verdict of "Not Proven", meaning that if the evidence presented to them were to have been presented to the original jury the prosecution's case would have resulted in guilt being "not proven".

Pay the man what he is due for years of incarceration and legal wrangling.
Fuck sakes, the money spent on review, then re-review, and counter review because the lunatic injustice minister was on the rag that day, independent overseas review, new-minister's review with new consultants would have paid the man handsomely already!


I am fairly sure that the "Not Proven" verdict is only available in Scotland and would thus only be available to a Scots Privy Council case.

Both of the Bain PC decisions are online:

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKPC/2007/33.html

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKPC/2009/4.html


Is there a later one? Or are we talking about the Binnie review. $400k. and dont forget the Fisher review ($250k-ish I think). Now Amy Adams is saying "Yeah well we need another review".

I dunno man, I kind of think he did it, but that he has now convinced himself (and Joe Karam) that he didnt but that is gut feel not having followed the case at all....

Sure its a costly process and it seems very clear that the current Nazional government either will not pay, or will pay in the dying weeks of their administration (or agree to pay two weeks before they get thrown out of office leaving Liarbour to cut the actual cheque......). Sure it will cost (Arthur Thomas got a million bucks in 1983 money, right?). Bain should be getting $3M or so you would think.....

It would stick in my craw to pay it if he did it, but the issue is that the legal process has not proved that he did.

That fuckin' jury, man.......

[HenryDorsetCase]

yes but you're missing the point.
1) all those people are crown agents, taking money off the public to pay them is SOP, if it's for something fucking ridiculous and in amounts disproportionate, so much the better.

2) the "justice" system wants to be advertised as infallible and unflappable and "not bowing to populist opinion" or some shit.
to admit they were wrong, on such a public case, might raise some questions in the minds of even the fluoridated, about the corruption of the police, nay, the entire crown horseshittery.

but probably not. because MOOOOOOOOO fuckers.

the best example of that ever was the winebox inquiry. Pretty much every QC in the country at the time, months on end, plus everyone else invovled. Ka ching.

[Hitcher]

Forget the ins and outs of the original criminal case. Everybody has an opinion about the evidence regarding this high-profile prosecution but it's not relevant to the decision that now needs to be made.

Let's look at the facts.

David Bain has had his conviction quashed by the courts. He is a free man. He has already been tried so cannot be retried unless there is new evidence -- that old double jeopardy business. The Police seem completely disinterested in taking further action against Mr Bain.

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Forget the ins and outs of the original criminal case. Everybody has an opinion about the evidence regarding this high-profile prosecution but it's not relevant to the decision that now needs to be made.

Let's look at the facts.

David Bain has had his conviction quashed by the courts. He is a free man. He has already been tried so cannot be retried unless there is new evidence -- that old double jeopardy business. The Police seem completely disinterested in taking further action against Mr Bain.

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.

Nicely summarised:

OK, given that: How much?

What does the KB massif think that might be worth?

He has somewhat caught up on lifes pleasures lately, what, with all the marrying and New Idea-ing, and impregnating of wifey and suchlike.

I reckon $1M.

nice round figure, buys him a nice house, lets him get on with life. In say, Melbourne.

[Robbo]

Nicely summarised:

OK, given that: How much?

What does the KB massif think that might be worth?

He has somewhat caught up on lifes pleasures lately, what, with all the marrying and New Idea-ing, and impregnating of wifey and suchlike.

I reckon $1M.

nice round figure, buys him a nice house, lets him get on with life. In say, Melbourne.




I suggest $5 and a bag of chips. I'm sure that Akzle QC would agree.:laugh:

[rustyrobot]

How much?

What does the KB massif think that might be worth?



Aaron Farmer got $350,000 for 2 years imprisonment, and Bain was locked up for 13. I suspect that you might be right on the $1m mark, I imagine that any more than that would be distasteful for the average voter.

Personally though, I wouldn't do a 13 year stretch for a million dollars.

Interestingly the M.O.J. website (http://www.justice.govt.nz/services/miscarriages-of-justice/compensation-for-wrongful-conviction-and-imprisonment) says "there is no legal right to compensation for wrongful conviction and imprisonment. "

What is 13 years' worth of salary for a paper delivery boy?

[Murray]

But how much does he have to give Joe Karam????

[mr bucketracer]

Forget the ins and outs of the original criminal case. Everybody has an opinion about the evidence regarding this high-profile prosecution but it's not relevant to the decision that now needs to be made.

Let's look at the facts.

David Bain has had his conviction quashed by the courts. He is a free man. He has already been tried so cannot be retried unless there is new evidence -- that old double jeopardy business. The Police seem completely disinterested in taking further action against Mr Bain.

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.the second case was all about his father , taking a dead man to court . what a joke

[F5 Dave]

There is no way to repay losing that much of your life. He might be starting a new life and new family, but he'll have to wait years before there's enough of them old enough to slaughter.

[Banditbandit]

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.


Unfortunately it's his innocence which is right in the middle of the table.

The Crown will only pay compensation IF Bain can prove himself innocent .. Crusher Collins did not believe he was innocent, which was why she refused to pay out and wriggled and squirmed to avoid paying out ..

[unstuck]

while deciding if some scum-bag is guilty or not

So, are they still a scumbag if they are not guilty? :shifty:

[HenryDorsetCase]

So, are they still a scumbag if they are not guilty? :shifty:

well clearly they would never be charged with anything if they weren't guilty

M'Lord.

[nodrog]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/Si2SGEsDU-I/AAAAAAAAFo0/w3bPBbatqS8/Tui_thumb%5B4%5D.jpg?imgmax=800

[JimO]

he was guilty because of the jersey, actually the jersey was supplied buy the cops, .......typical

[sidecar bob]

Unfortunately it's his innocence which is right in the middle of the table.

The Crown will only pay compensation IF Bain can prove himself innocent .. Crusher Collins did not believe he was innocent, which was why she refused to pay out and wriggled and squirmed to avoid paying out ..

There's a massive double standard going on in this country. You only have to say you were the first inhabitants of this country & the govt hurl piles of cash at you without even checking the validity of your tale.

[AllanB]

If I had a leather jacket made to the same pattern and colours and the jersey - would I get pulled over by the police more often?



If he gets anything I predict it will exceed a Million but be under three. A mill is chicken feed nowadays. One nice house, few vehicles, overseas trip, booze, drugs and hookers ........ you'd need a job to pay the rates within a year.

Mind you back in the day he had a paper round right? So maybe earned $20 a week tops? So $1,040 per year maybe ..... x 13 that's $13,520.

Throw in some inflation - heck it is Friday and I am feeling good so fuck it - he gets $500,000 absolute tops.

[AllanB]

There's a massive double standard going on in this country. You only have to say you were the first inhabitants of this country & the govt hurl piles of cash at you without even checking the validity of your tale.

They wore skirts - Bain had a hideous jersey.

[Akzle]

I suggest $5 and a bag of chips. I'm sure that Akzle QC would agree.:laugh:

i was almost going to post it... i was, then i thought better of it.
obviously you didn't!
:bleh:

[AllanB]

You need to calculate it allowing for the bags of chips he was deprive of while behind bars. Maybe 50 bags of chips? How many bags of chips does the average punter consume per year?

[Akzle]

I suggest $5 and a bag of chips. I'm sure that Akzle QC would agree.:laugh:


You need to calculate it allowing for the bags of chips he was deprive of while behind bars. Maybe 50 bags of chips? How many bags of chips does the average punter consume per year?

well, there's the average punter,

..then there's the average family-slaughtering, hooker-killin-buries them-under-the-caravan kind of guy.

those guys eat more chips.
plus inflation and shit, the cost of potatoes has gone up something chronic, not to mention fryin' oil, man's lucky if he'd get a half spud o chips for 3 buck! and that shiney packaging.... now that's a way to lure in them stoney teenage folk...

[AllanB]

IS there any relationship between the jews and the inflated price of potatoes?

[caseye]

IS there any relationship between the jews and the inflated price of potatoes?


Hell Yes, they grow spudatata's in Jewery land you know!

[Akzle]

without jews, potatoes would be free.

[neels]

I'll go with the good old kiwi yeah nah

In the Arthur Allen Thomas case, it was proved he was unjustly imprisoned because it was proved that the police planted evidence to convict him, so therefore he should have never been there in the first place.

In David Bain's case, there is no such proof, just a bunch of overpaid lawyers hearing part of the evidence who think it was a bit iffy, so it should start again. The jury at the time thought he was guilty, some people later thought he wasn't, no shenanigans of any sort just a difference of opinion after a considerable period of time.

So hasn't it been proved he was wrongly convicted, he was just subsequently not convicted on the basis of the same evidence with a different opinion at the end, therefore there is no need for compensation/

Having said that, I hope he did do it, 'cause I'd be mightily fucked off if someone nicked 13 years of my life when I'd done nothing wrong.

[sidecar bob]

Something else everyone seems to forget in this & the Lundy case. If these guys are innocent, as well as having their asses wrongfully chucked in prison, they are also grieving for the family they lost. But that doesn't even seem to cross most peoples minds.
Imagine if your entire family was wiped out, how would you feel even without being wrongly imprisoned for it.

[nodrog]

..... Imagine if your entire family was wiped out, how would you feel even without being wrongly imprisoned for it.

that depends, are my family black or fat?

[korimako1]

He committed hideous crimes against fashion wearing THAT jersey. The 13 odd years in lock up should be considered fair punishment for his fashion crime which would have run concurrently with the murder sentence. So it all balances out in the end.

it was a popo's jersey. they set him up

[oldrider]

it was a popo's jersey. they set him up

OK - so whats your take on the "trial" so far? :confused: MSM is quite downbeat on it really so far :corn:

[bucket boy]

that depends, are my family black or fat?

or your in the line for a big inheritence

[korimako1]

OK - so whats your take on the "trial" so far? :confused: MSM is quite downbeat on it really so far :corn:

which "trial'"

[oldrider]

which "trial'"

:Oops: Saw your username and started thought process on Lundy trial - forgot which thread we were on - sorry! :facepalm:

Didn't even twig until now when I read your post! - Not a good look! :oi-grr:

[Murray]

Something else everyone seems to forget in this & the Lundy case. If these guys are innocent, as well as having their asses wrongfully chucked in prison, they are also grieving for the family they lost. But that doesn't even seem to cross most peoples minds.
Imagine if your entire family was wiped out, how would you feel even without being wrongly imprisoned for it.

Yeah those pictures of David Bain breaking down in tears will live with me forever. Or did I miss them while he was on the stand saying how devastated he was???

[korimako1]

:Oops: Saw your username and started thought process on Lundy trial - forgot which thread we were on - sorry! :facepalm:

Didn't even twig until now when I read your post! - Not a good look! :oi-grr:

hey happy to talk on that thread

[sidecar bob]

Yeah those pictures of David Bain breaking down in tears will live with me forever. Or did I miss them while he was on the stand saying how devastated he was???

There ya go, what's all the fuss, clearly he's guilty based on what you have said there.

[James Deuce]

There is no way to repay losing that much of your life. He might be starting a new life and new family, but he'll have to wait years before there's enough of them old enough to slaughter.

You dick. You made me LOL on the train! That's punishable by death where I come from.

[Banditbandit]

Something else everyone seems to forget in this & the Lundy case. If these guys are innocent, as well as having their asses wrongfully chucked in prison, they are also grieving for the family they lost. But that doesn't even seem to cross most peoples minds.
Imagine if your entire family was wiped out, how would you feel even without being wrongly imprisoned for it.

AND the likelihood that the real murderers are still out there free .. (Unless it really was Robin Bain ... then there's only one murderer out there free ..)

[oldrider]

AND the likelihood that the real murderers are still out there free .. (Unless it really was Robin Bain ... then there's only one murderer out there free ..)

Once he has been paid out - he can confess that he did it and sit back and enjoy the taxpayers money at his leisure - the perfect crime! :clap: Give him five!

[sidecar bob]

Once he has been paid out - he can confess that he did it and sit back and enjoy the taxpayers money at his leisure - the perfect crime! :clap: Give him five!

Hardy the perfect crime, he's already done quite a strech inside, but once again, Kangaroo court finds him guilty.
Dpex off here was facing a lag for kiddy fiddling, his yacht was found abandoned doing circles in the South Pacific, he is presumed lost at sea.
Thats the perfect crime (less the kiddy fiddling of course)