MNZ President votes

[Shaun Harris]

Glen Williams is standing

[quickbuck]

Glen Williams is standing

Indeed.... Looking forward to the future.

[Akzle]

vote akzle

[steveyb]

Alfred E. Neuman for President!!

[Shaun Harris]

There is an older man up for the position also I here. Your choice of having, an older man who has been heavily involved years ago, or a NEW fresher younger ex Champion proffesional current business man in the position.

[jasonu]

There is an older man up for the position also I here. Your choice of having, an older man who has been heavily involved years ago, or a NEW fresher younger ex Champion proffesional current business man in the position.

Who might the older man be?

[BuzzardNZ]

Who might the older man be?

Hopefully not a brain damaged one!

[Drew]

Who might the older man be?

Paul Stewart.

I've no recollection of meeting Paul, but I know Glen is up to the task and a very good bloke.

[quickbuck]

Paul Stewart.

I've no recollection of meeting Paul, but I know Glen is up to the task and a very good bloke.

I have.... Spent MotoGP 2010 Weekend with him at PI.
We are spoilt for choice.

[sidecar bob]

I have.... Spent MotoGP 2010 Weekend with him at PI.
We are spoilt for choice.

Yep, we cant lose either way.

[jellywrestler]

Paul Stewart.

I've no recollection of meeting Paul, but I know Glen is up to the task and a very good bloke.
you must have been walking around with your head up your shitter, Paul has been around motorcycling forever, having been on the board before, at a large number of road races over the years, worked for Blue wing honda for years and is also Ray Clees Father in Law. a very level headed person .
if i had a vote it would be very very hard to chose between GW and Paul.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, it would actually be easier to work out who to vote for if one of them was a fuckin muppet.

[Shaun Harris]

The question to ask then is, do you all like the way the Auckland scene people ( people Paul is very friendly with) think racing should be happening

[Reckless]

Yes, it would actually be easier to work out who to vote for if one of them was a fuckin muppet.

Why cant you have both? President and Vice President.
If they are both good guys they should be able to work together as a team, put the sport first, two heads better than one and all that :innocent:

[Drew]

you must have been walking around with your head up your shitter, Paul has been around motorcycling forever, having been on the board before, at a large number of road races over the years, worked for Blue wing honda for years and is also Ray Clees Father in Law. a very level headed person .
if i had a vote it would be very very hard to chose between GW and Paul.

I might have met him, but can't remember is what I'm saying. It's busy at the track.

[GD66]

Why cant you have both? President and Vice President.
If they are both good guys they should be able to work together as a team, put the sport first, two heads better than one and all that :innocent:





Very good. :2thumbsup

[scott411]

Why cant you have both? President and Vice President.
If they are both good guys they should be able to work together as a team, put the sport first, two heads better than one and all that :innocent:

because by the constitution the vice present is not elected, its picked by the board, you can't jsut change the consitution because you think you have 2 good members going for the top job

the positions up for election this year are,
President
Off Road North Island
Road South Island


now Glen Williams is only the acting president at the moment, (taking over from Jim, as he stood down to take teh OCeania FIM Position) Glen and is actually the North Island Road Rep,

Paul was the previous North Island Road Rep, and was defeated by Glen last year, I would presume that if Glen wins, his North Island Road Rep would come up for election,

[Drew]

because by the constitution the vice present is not elected, its picked by the board, you can't jsut change the consitution because you think you have 2 good members going for the top job

the positions up for election this year are,
President
Off Road North Island
Road South Island


now Glen Williams is only the acting president at the moment, (taking over from Jim, as he stood down to take teh OCeania FIM Position) Glen and is actually the North Island Road Rep,

Paul was the previous North Island Road Rep, and was defeated by Paul last year, I would presume that if Glen wins, his North Island Road Rep would come up for election,
Soooo, you failed school cert English?

[scott411]

Soooo, you failed school cert English?

got 51% actually, and even I was surprised by that.

[quickbuck]

got 51% actually, and even I was surprised by that.Sorry Scotty, but that would explain why just over half your post makes any sense... ;)

[budda]

because by the constitution the vice present is not elected, its picked by the board, you can't jsut change the consitution because you think you have 2 good members going for the top job

the positions up for election this year are,
President
Off Road North Island
Road South Island


now Glen Williams is only the acting president at the moment, (taking over from Jim, as he stood down to take teh OCeania FIM Position) Glen and is actually the North Island Road Rep,

Paul was the previous North Island Road Rep, and was defeated by Glen last year, I would presume that if Glen wins, his North Island Road Rep would come up for election,

You sure Scotty - seem to remember Paul withdrew and this allowed Glen to take the position unopposed. The jury is out on whether he can actually BE the acting President AND carry out his responsibilities as N I On-Road Board member too .... watching with interest, as is the entire Distributor network ....... ONE of the two candidates has their support :yes:

[Drew]

You sure Scotty - seem to remember Paul withdrew and this allowed Glen to take the position unopposed. The jury is out on whether he can actually BE the acting President AND carry out his responsibilities as N I On-Road Board member too .... watching with interest, as is the entire Distributor network ....... ONE of the two candidates has their support :yes:
Not familiar with the charter, but usually an 'acting president' can be appointed from nearly any board position, and different 'conflict' ruled apply due to their elected/assigned position being established already. They can't make executive decisions in the area of their position is all.

[Shaun Harris]

If I could vote, it would be for Glen Williams ( A person who did the write thing and stood down from making any decision re my license due to conflicts of interest, as did Kevin Goddard) Glen is from the modern world and does every thing by the book as it should be done. Yes, this can cause hassles for some who want an awnser NOW, but that is not how the system works.

[sidecar bob]

If I could vote, it would be for Glen Williams ( A person who did the write thing and stood down from making any decision re my license due to conflicts of interest, as did Kevin Goddard) Glen is from the modern world and does every thing by the book as it should be done. Yes, this can cause hassles for some who want an awnser NOW, but that is not how the system works.

Good on him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you cheated by your own admission & the correct course of action was taken.
Kind of ironic that you were a huge campaigner for the guy that subsequently shafted you though.

[Shaun Harris]

Good on him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you cheated by your own admission & the correct course of action was taken.
Kind of ironic that you were a huge campaigner for the guy that subsequently shafted you though.


Dude, I admitted to it myself! And yes a correct course of action has been taken, and I hope that my admission makes it easier for others who are getting beaten by other people who are and have cheated!! Ironic yes, as he once was a genuine man whom I had faith in, and nothing to do with my cheating admission either Bob.

[scott411]

You sure Scotty - seem to remember Paul withdrew and this allowed Glen to take the position unopposed. The jury is out on whether he can actually BE the acting President AND carry out his responsibilities as N I On-Road Board member too .... watching with interest, as is the entire Distributor network ....... ONE of the two candidates has their support :yes:

you could be right, i know he was the position before Glen,

also, Jim had the backing of at least some of the distributors as well,

if the distributors are members of MNZ, they get to vote as well,

[budda]

you could be right, i know he was the position before Glen,

also, Jim had the backing of at least some of the distributors as well,

if the distributors are members of MNZ, they get to vote as well,

without getting all political, all members who are entitled to vote, SHOULD vote ...... too many snipe away after the fact, but dont vote - no vote, no valid opinion, I say<_<

[steveyb]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently).
Not voting due to apathy is the antithesis of a free society and leads in the long (or not so long run) to tyranny and autocracy. It does not lead to anarchy (as some would have you believe) as anarchy is simply a political vacuum and politics (ie the system of interactions between humans) abhors such things.
That is all.

[malcy25]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently)..

Though arguably not voting could also lead people to believe that neither was suitable and that the "winner" has marginal support from the members.

I'd rather that we have a strong close vote, than a weak close vote. The winner will win, but will have a far clearer support base.

[budda]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently).
Not voting due to apathy is the antithesis of a free society and leads in the long (or not so long run) to tyranny and autocracy. It does not lead to anarchy (as some would have you believe) as anarchy is simply a political vacuum and politics (ie the system of interactions between humans) abhors such things.
That is all.

Dont disagree with what I THINK you said Steve ( theres a large body of MNZ members you lost when you 'idealogically violated' them ) I have no issue with people who choose not to vote .... what I DO have an issue with is those who dont vote 'cos they simply cant be arsed, and then have very strong post-election opinions that get voiced vociferously on here, Arsebook etc etc

Malcy's last sentence says it very succinctly .........

[budda]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently).
Not voting due to apathy is the antithesis of a free society and leads in the long (or not so long run) to tyranny and autocracy. It does not lead to anarchy (as some would have you believe) as anarchy is simply a political vacuum and politics (ie the system of interactions between humans) abhors such things.
That is all.

Dont disagree with what I THINK you said Steve ( theres a large body of MNZ members you lost when you 'idealogically violated' them ) I have no issue with people who choose not to vote .... what I DO have an issue with is those who dont vote 'cos they simply cant be arsed, and then have very strong opinions that get voiced on here, Arsebook etc etc

[ellipsis]

'idealogically violated' etc

...ideally being ideologically violated would probably be as painful...to save this pain all members should vote...

[kiwi cowboy]

...ideally being ideologically violated would probably be as painful...to save this pain all members should vote...

Say whaa?. Are you pissed????.

[Kickaha]

all members should vote...
I already have

Say whaa?. Are you pissed????.
He normally is

[kiwi cowboy]

I already have

He normally is

Diddnt he have a wee tumble at methven last weekend???.
Meds are probably interfering wit the alcohol.

[Kickaha]

Diddnt he have a wee tumble at methven last weekend???.
Meds are probably interfering wit the alcohol.

Probably just because he's such a crap rider;)

[kiwi cowboy]

Probably just because he's such a crap rider;)

So is that why you ride a sidecar then:wings::wings::innocent::shit:So angry with myself for saying such a nasty thing :angry2::angry2::angry2:should have been in the sidecar thread:brick::brick:

[codgyoleracer]

Hi KB's, 1st priority for those on here that are eligible to vote, - is at least make the effort if possible. It would be good to see the percentage of members voting higher than it is. This provides a more secure personal mandate for whomever the victor is. There are two positions to vote on this year President and South Island Road.
Cheers
Glen Williams

[Mental Trousers]

There are 3 options when it comes to voting for the MNZ President


Paul Stewart
Glen Williams
Abstain

That means there's no excuse for not voting. If you don't like either of the candidates you still have a choice.

[Shaun Harris]

There are 3 options when it comes to voting for the MNZ President


Paul Stewart
Glen Williams
Abstain

That means there's no excuse for not voting. If you don't like either of the candidates you still have a choice.



Abstain and then get on the internet and whinge your arse off, clever suggestion Mental

[Shaun Harris]

Abstain and then get on the internet and whinge your arse off, clever suggestion Mental Why try and be a clever cunt about some thing so fukin important ffs

[ellipsis]

...are you answering yourself back?...

[BuzzardNZ]

Why try and be a clever cunt about some thing so fukin important ffs

Looks like you're doing an 'Ed' !!! :blink:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/3026-Religious-ravings/page1779?p=1130854073#post1130854073

Two pea's in a pod perhaps?

[Mental Trousers]

Abstain and then get on the internet and whinge your arse off, clever suggestion Mental

Way better than not voting at all and then whinging your arse off.

As there's an option to abstain anyone eligible who doesn't vote is being a lazy, useless prick that needs a kick in the arse.

[Shaun Harris]

Way better than not voting at all and then whinging your arse off.

As there's an option to abstain anyone eligible who doesn't vote is being a lazy, useless prick that needs a kick in the arse.



What is the point to abstain vote? if you do not know who or what you want, what the fek are you even involved in the sport for. Paul Stewart has been there before, and history shows the results. Very clear to me anyway, that a new fresh healthy captain is needed on board the ship about to sail. Glen has the business experience, actually more than Paul does, as Glen owns his own company that he built up very succesfully, whilst racing himself and paying his own bills, he is an ex NZ Champion that 100% understands what it takes from the riders side of the fence to make things happen. Paul is a passionate man that has been an office worker for Honda for years selling atv and stuff.

[Shaun Harris]

Looks like you're doing an 'Ed' !!! :blink:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/3026-Religious-ravings/page1779?p=1130854073#post1130854073

Two pea's in a pod perhaps?



Haha, yea laughed at myself when I saw what I did there

[Drew]

What is the point to abstain vote? if you do not know who or what you want, what the fek are you even involved in the sport for. Paul Stewart has been there before, and history shows the results. Very clear to me anyway, that a new fresh healthy captain is needed on board the ship about to sail. Glen has the business experience, actually more than Paul does, as Glen owns his own company that he built up very succesfully, whilst racing himself and paying his own bills, he is an ex NZ Champion that 100% understands what it takes from the riders side of the fence to make things happen. Paul is a passionate man that has been an office worker for Honda for years selling atv and stuff.

It's not the same thing as not voting you fucken idiot.

Should someone wished to impress that they have no confidence in either candidate, abstinence is the vote they should make, rather than not voting at all.

To do so increases the number of voters, and makes any result a more truthful representation of the populace.

[Shaun Harris]

It's not the same thing as not voting you fucken idiot.

Should someone wished to impress that they have no confidence in either candidate, abstinence is the vote they should make, rather than not voting at all.

To do so increases the number of voters, and makes any result a more truthful representation of the populace.




Must be that new Tobacco I was given then eh

[jellywrestler]

Must be that new Tobacco I was given then eh

was it from one of those window washers at an intersection Shaun?

[Shaun Harris]

was it from one of those window washers at an intersection Shaun?



Haha Nah, he was arrested a few weeks back and in prison now

[budda]

whilst racing himself and paying his own bills, he is an ex NZ Champion that 100% understands what it takes from the riders side of the fence to make things happen.

NOt neccessarily a ticket to the big-time Shaun - that just makes him the same as most Competitors.
MOST dont have someone else paying their bills, a fact that you seem to have forgotten

AND, as Glen has himself acknowledged, Board positions are GOVERNANCE ONLY : the Sport is run by the Commissioners, and the Board is there to resource them.

as anyone who's put back in at MNZ level will tell you, there's a lot more to take into account than "the riders perspective "

[Shaun Harris]

NOt neccessarily a ticket to the big-time Shaun - that just makes him the same as most Competitors.
MOST dont have someone else paying their bills, a fact that you seem to have forgotten

AND, as Glen has himself acknowledged, Board positions are GOVERNANCE ONLY : the Sport is run by the Commissioners, and the Board is there to resource them.

as anyone who's put back in at MNZ level will tell you, there's a lot more to take into account than "the riders perspective "


A major point of sale Budda, AS HE CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS IT FROM THE RIDERS POINT OF VIEW! AND IT IS THE RIDERS THAT NEED ENCOURAGING TO STAND UP FOR THERE SPORT AND SPEAK UP ABOUT WHAT THE WANT AND SEE. WHY IS IT YOU ARE SPEAKING UP BUDDA, DO YOU WANT PAUL IN THE POSITION?

[Drew]

A major point of sale Budda, AS HE CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS IT FROM THE RIDERS POINT OF VIEW! AND IT IS THE RIDERS THAT NEED ENCOURAGING TO STAND UP FOR THERE SPORT AND SPEAK UP ABOUT WHAT THE WANT AND SEE. WHY IS IT YOU ARE SPEAKING UP BUDDA, DO YOU WANT PAUL IN THE POSITION?

Your support of Glen is noted Shaun, now shut your hole before people start connecting you with a vote for him.

[Shaun Harris]

Your support of Glen is noted Shaun, now shut your hole before people start connecting you with a vote for him.


Good point BOSS, I better NOT tarnish his name eh