Universe may have had no beginning [Archive]

mashman

2nd March 2015, 11:03

Oh noes... that might upset a few entrenched mindsets (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/big-bang-deflated-universe-may-had-no-beginning-140017504.html)

unstuck

2nd March 2015, 11:07

Is that peer reviewed information, and have you studied it for at least 40 yrs? :2thumbsup

mashman

2nd March 2015, 11:09

Is that peer reviewed information, and have you studied it for at least 40 yrs? :2thumbsup

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Voltaire

2nd March 2015, 11:11

Where is the supporting You Tube clip and obscure reference :bleh:

unstuck

2nd March 2015, 11:11

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Thats ok then, as you were.:niceone:
Actually I was reading something the other day about the make up of the moon and a different opinion on it's purpose, was bloody interesting.

mashman

2nd March 2015, 11:24

Thats ok then, as you were.:niceone:
Actually I was reading something the other day about the make up of the moon and a different opinion on it's purpose, was bloody interesting.

Me too... except this guy was trying to explain an energy wave that rolled across the face of the moon a few times, the upshot being that it looks like a hologram to hide what's actually going on on the moon. I like that version :D

Woodman

2nd March 2015, 11:25

mashman

2nd March 2015, 11:31

At the end of the day the question of how the universe started is a real mindfuck and nobody knows for sure.

The thing that gets me is, what was there before the universe started, and what was there before that etc.

You cannot have nothing.

It's cost us several trillion $ to come up with the answers we have. How can you dismiss the intellect and science that has gone into giving us those answers? let alone calling them into question.

TFH in the mail for ya.

ellipsis

2nd March 2015, 11:32

...I don't know who this is attributable to...maybe Mr Hawking himself, and maybe worded differently too...'for a quantum mechanic to say they understand the physics of QM's means they know very little of what they study'...

pzkpfw

2nd March 2015, 11:33

The idea that before the big bang there was "nothing", is a pop-sci simplification in the first place.

Like the difference between evolution and abiogenesis, the big bang and what was or wasn't "before" it, are separate questions.

ellipsis

2nd March 2015, 11:35

You cannot have nothing.

...I don't have enough, but it's not going to stop me visiting Melbourne next week for the F1 GP...

Hitcher

2nd March 2015, 11:48

One of the things that I love about science is that its practitioners and supporters will change their views when evidence proves an hypothesis that overtakes theirs. This is the fundamental difference between "religion" and science.

There's obviously a bit of work to do before the Big Bangers completely move away from that hypothesis.

Hitcher

2nd March 2015, 11:50

You cannot have nothing.

Perhaps. But you're also assuming that time is both constant and linear.

You've been dead longer than you've been alive. Or have you?

TheDemonLord

2nd March 2015, 12:38

The most important part of the article:

The new theory was explained in a paper published Feb. 4 in the journal Physical Letters B, and another paper that is currently under peer review

As you all were - still being peer reviewed

Banditbandit

2nd March 2015, 12:43

How can you dismiss the intellect and science that has gone into giving us those answers? let alone calling them into question.

TFH in the mail for ya.

Oh quite easily really .. science is the only discipline that still acts as if they know the "truth" ... (even if they change their minds every 20 years or so ...)

But Philosophy completely undermines that ...

mashman

2nd March 2015, 13:02

Paul in NZ

2nd March 2015, 13:04

Knowing where it all began is interesting - knowing when its all going to end is far MORE interesting...

awa355

2nd March 2015, 13:11

Everyone knows that the universe was made by some guy with long hair, wearing a bath robe and rope sandals. :eek::eek:

What I'd like to know is Where did he come from??:not:

Hitcher

2nd March 2015, 13:13

Everyone knows that the universe was made by some guy with long hair, wearing a bath robe and rope sandals.

What I'd like to know is Where did he come from?

Now THAT is the easiest question that has been asked around here for quite some time.

Oscar

2nd March 2015, 13:13

Oh quite easily really .. science is the only discipline that still acts as if they know the "truth" ... (even if they change their minds every 20 years or so ...)

But Philosophy completely undermines that ...

Scientists rarely act as if they know the truth.
Physicists in particular are the first to admit that they're miles away from a certainty - they have never been able to make quantum mechanics and general relativity fit together. Then there's the dark matter problem, Prof Hawking has always struggled with that one...

mashman

2nd March 2015, 13:17

Scientists rarely act as if they know the truth.
Physicists in particular are the first to admit that they're miles away from a certainty - they have never been able to make quantum mechanics and general relativity fit together. Then there's the dark matter problem, Prof Hawking has always struggled with that one...

Hagelin reckons he's sussed it.

Oscar

2nd March 2015, 13:21

Hagelin reckons he's sussed it.

Lemme guess - It's John Key's fault?

mashman

2nd March 2015, 13:30

Lemme guess - It's John Key's fault?

No. Consciousness.

Oscar

2nd March 2015, 13:33

No. Consciousness.

Consciousness is John Key's fault?!

mashman

2nd March 2015, 13:36

Consciousness is John Key's fault?!

Look, I'm not gonna talk dirty about jk so that you can finish yourself off... you simply haven't been a good enough boy.

Oscar

2nd March 2015, 13:38

Look, I'm not gonna talk dirty about jk so that you can finish yourself off... you simply haven't been a good enough boy.

You don't have to, he was sitting next to me at the cricket.
He thinks you're a cunt, by the way...

mashman

2nd March 2015, 13:48

You don't have to, he was sitting next to me at the cricket.
He thinks you're a cunt, by the way...

Dunno which one I feel sorry for the most.
He should know by now... typical politician.

Oscar

2nd March 2015, 13:52

Dunno which one I feel sorry for the most.
He should know by now... typical politician.

Annette King turned up and tried to sit in the wrong seat.
There's a political joke in there somewhere...

Voltaire

2nd March 2015, 14:25

Everyone knows that the universe was made by some guy with long hair, wearing a bath robe and rope sandals. :eek::eek:

What I'd like to know is Where did he come from??:not:

Does the universe have an ensuite?:laugh:

Murray

2nd March 2015, 14:54

You don't have to, he was sitting next to me at the cricket.

You're Tony Abbott?????

Welcome to New Zealand

mashman

2nd March 2015, 15:05

Annette King turned up and tried to sit in the wrong seat.
There's a political joke in there somewhere...

I believe you.

Oscar

2nd March 2015, 15:15

You're Tony Abbott?????

Welcome to New Zealand

Shush - I'm hiding out incognito...

Ulsterkiwi

2nd March 2015, 15:21

avgas

2nd March 2015, 15:45

Woodman

2nd March 2015, 17:53

Perhaps. But you're also assuming that time is both constant and linear.

You've been dead longer than you've been alive. Or have you?

The human brain is not capable of comprehending nothing.

Akzle

2nd March 2015, 18:18

You cannot have nothing.
matter of opinion.

i don't believe there ever was. but if you had no concept of "nothing" you wouldn't recognise "something" or "anything"

like if there was no dark, you wouldn't recognise the light...

Perhaps. But you're also assuming that time is both constant and linear.
i missed that inference...

You've been dead longer than you've been alive. Or have you?

we never really die

The human brain is not capable of comprehending nothing.

au contraire, it's all some human brains comprehend.

Murray

2nd March 2015, 19:12

like if there was no dark, you wouldn't recognise the light...

Is that like if you are born blind do you think in colour????

mashman

2nd March 2015, 19:36

Is that like if you are born blind do you think in colour????

Only if you can explain what the colour Red is.

mossy1200

2nd March 2015, 20:21

Only certainty in science is if everyone agrees nobody gets paid.

Winston001

2nd March 2015, 20:25

Winston001

2nd March 2015, 20:44

At the end of the day the question of how the universe started is a real mindfuck and nobody knows for sure.

The thing that gets me is, what was there before the universe started, and what was there before that etc.

You cannot have nothing.

Check out Vacuum Energy. Particles pop in and out of existence from nothing. Its a bit weird.

One theory for the Big Bang is that it came into being as a quantum fluctuation.

mashman

2nd March 2015, 20:54

Check out Vacuum Energy. Particles pop in and out of existence from nothing. Its a bit weird.

One theory for the Big Bang is that it came into being as a quantum fluctuation.

That or they pop into existence for selfie purposes.

blue rider

2nd March 2015, 21:18

Oh noes... that might upset a few entrenched mindsets (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/big-bang-deflated-universe-may-had-no-beginning-140017504.html)

you are sure that it was not just a very flavoursome fart from the bearded sky fairy that set it all of?

mashman

3rd March 2015, 06:37

you are sure that it was not just a very flavoursome fart from the bearded sky fairy that set it all of?

lol... whilst there's a lot of shit down here that might point to a follow through from such an act, I don't know whether it was the bearded dude or just the foul stench of decaying human souls. Let's go with the bearded dude, it's a much cooler story.

Woodman

3rd March 2015, 15:49

lol... whilst there's a lot of shit down here that might point to a follow through from such an act, I don't know whether it was the bearded dude or just the foul stench of decaying human souls. Let's go with the bearded dude, it's a much cooler story.

Well the bearded dude is as close as you can get to nothing.

mashman

3rd March 2015, 16:10

Well the bearded dude is as close as you can get to nothing.

Infinity is funny that way.