Windows 10

[awa355]

Anyone tried this yet? We have a new laptop that has been put away until something easier to understand than Wins' 8 comes along. If 10 is going to be easier to operate than 8 I might give it a go. Microsoft are offering a free upgrade for a year. I'm not sure whether to upgrade now, or wait and see what gremlins are hidden within Win 10.

[pete376403]

I'm going to get the upgrade and install it onto one of the unimportant PCs to see what its like. I've only got win 7, no 8 or 8,1 and a couple of Macs.

Of course it will be interesting to see what happens a few years down the tracks, does the free upgrade now require an ongoing subscription or what? I think I read somewhere that this is MS future game plan

[Gremlin]

Won't bother playing with it until an actual release and as usual, not a primary device (work laptop has 7 for work, 8.1 for testing etc, so that will be replaced with 10).

Re the free upgrade, reports/interviews with Microsoft it's for the life of that device, ie, they expect it will only last x number of years.

Oh the joy of subscription. A recent report said that for every $100 Microsoft earnt under the old model they now earn $180.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0dfKTYCEAI4j4G.jpg

[Akzle]

Anyone tried this yet? We have a new laptop that has been put away until something easier to understand than Wins' 8 comes along.

like.....7? :laugh:

get linux you pussy.

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh the joy of subscription. A recent report said that for every $100 Microsoft earnt under the old model they now earn $180.


Well I think that's their hope... still to be proven. But as their profits are dropping due to the PC market dropping in favour of smartyphones & tablets they gotta try something; tho that something is also seeing their services packed onto Android devices by default

[bogan]

If you're not using the lappie anyway, there is no reason not to upgrade to give it a try.

I think because 7 is such a good OS, and the tile interface of 8 such an in your face change, it has been hard for them to get people to upgrade. Going from 8-10 shouldn't be much of an issue though.

Following their tick-tock (shit-not) release schedule 9 was supposed to be the good one, guess I'll have to wait for 11 :bleh:

[EJK]

They are bringing the left bottom corner Start Menu back. Other than that I don't have any complaints using Windows 8/8.1 (I do like the new additional Windows Explorer and Task Manager functions).

<img src="http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/startmenu.jpg" />

Also Windows 10 will have switchable "workspace" function. Looking forward to that.

[Akzle]

Also Windows 10 will have switchable "workspace" function. Looking forward to that.

which pretty much every flavour of linux has had since 1992

[Scuba_Steve]

which pretty much every flavour of linux has had since 1992

Another thing they apparently plan on adding that Linux has had since forever is SSH :wings:
3 decades late but I'll take it

[Akzle]

Another thing they apparently plan on adding that Linux has had since forever is SSH :wings:
3 decades late but I'll take it

"remote desktop" bro :laugh::laugh:

[bogan]

Another thing they apparently plan on adding that Linux has had since forever is SSH :wings:
3 decades late but I'll take it

Does linux have popular and useful programs yet?

Until then I think I'll get by using windows to SSH into linux.

Angstrom with qt4embedded is pretty sweet though; still need msvc2015 to develop the good shit and cross compile it though.

Sent from my way nerdier arrangement of hardware than you shitters...

[Gremlin]

So I've upgraded the test partition on my work laptop from 8.1 to 10 (still using 7 for all my actual work, the test is for checking an issue a client might have, checking how something works etc).

Got off to a stellar start... see the highly descriptive error attached :eek: I had to swear allegiance and location to USA (language and locale) before things got moving. Proceeded in reasonable fashion, although the high spec SSD would have helped there. It handled the dual boot fine, even updating the Win8 boot label to Win10 which was a nice touch. It did default to 10 as the boot option, so I turned it back again.

After testing it for a few minutes, much improved over 8 (not saying much there) and worse than 7 (not surprised). They spent a lot of time making a gorgeous looking wallpaper, then gave us crappy icons for Recycle Bin and This PC along with the "trendy" flat appearance which is horrible. Touch not tested as laptop doesn't have it.

Search should be re-labelled "hahanotfindingshit". Trying searches for basic stuff like... I dunno, Windows, Update, Region, Locale finds nothing, but it does want to look through my stuff? 7 had a very nice feature where you can search for basic stuff like lid, icons, and be prompted for "Choose what closing the lid does" and "Show or Hide common icons on the desktop". It meant you didn't have to dig through the Control Panel for an option and could go straight there. Incidentally, there is no option in 10 in the Control Panel it seems to list the options out, instead forcing categories (could choose either in 7) so you first have to think like Microsoft to find what you're looking for...

Anyway, no plans to use 10 in production, but I can show clients if they're interested... I'm surprised at the number of consumers leaping to upgrade, but then, they've been forced into buying 8 for a few years (we've kept supplying 7 and I just purchased two more laptops a week ago and continued to buy with 7 installed) so I can see why I guess... it can't get much worse than the 8 experience.

[awa355]

Sounds like windows 10 isn't much better than 8,1 then. My new laptop will stay in the cupboard then. Funny thing is, this Samsung laptop I continue to use after 4-5 years has never had a glitch.

Is it possible for a computer shop to install windows 7 over the 8.1 system?.

[jim.cox]

I'm running XP and win7 at home, so I've been doing a bit of research into Win10.

Apart from that awful new user interface, it looks to me like the only major new feature is Cortana - a digital assistant like Apple's Siri. But it doesn't work in NZ yet, and probably wont for a year or more.

There are also no drivers available for a number of my old hardware devices ( Nikon Coolscan in particular)

It also looks like a number of the email clients don't do IMAP or POP3 properly

But in particular I actively detest the data harvesting, and the inline advertising and Microsoft's new terms and conditions....

There is some interesting analysis to be found here.

https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

and its starting to get noticed

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings

Thanks, but no thanks - I now definatly do NOT want Win10

[Scuba_Steve]

Well guess that confirms how MS plan on making their cash moneys... Data mining; Shouldn't be a problem for most people tho, they're already on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Chrome, YouTubes etc etc

[Akzle]

Does linux have popular and useful programs yet?
.
popular, most certainly.
useful, for probably ~95% of what needs doing. IME, the nix analogues are better that the winblows ones. (office, i'm looking at you)

i find windows a fucking headache, simple things like mounting isos, or file systems for that fucking matter, are unavailable/ buried (respectively) in winblows.
hdparms even possible? file permissions? - fucking horrendous. nic configuiration? ten different fucken commands to do what nix does with one.
installing software for crissakes, unpacking an exe from the command line so it doesn't install ten kinds of spamware shit i didn't want in the first place?
http://coachmikeblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/original-300x206.jpg

and whats with having all the fucking slashes backwards?
moving the "show desktop" icon from the bottom right hand corner where my mouse fucken never goes? good fucking luck... enabling a true admin account? elevating privileges from the cli? fucksakes.
cli man > windows help centre.
only in what, 7? (after 10 years) they deigned to give users the ability to remove the recyclebin from the desktop namespace without hacking the fucking registry (which is still afaik the only way how to get windows to fucking DO anything)
...and the registry, ho my that horrendous piece of fucking shit. can it clean itself yet?

i want shit that works, where and when i want it working.
(sadface, i'm due for a kernel/distro upgrade cos my cad doesn't have isometric grid :facepalm: )

winblows is consistently > 5 years behind in implementing useful shit.

asides from gayming, what do you believe it falls short on? more, have you tried any of the latest flavours. they're slick (lighter on resources and quicker to the desktop in most cases :laugh: )


So I've upgraded the test partition on my work laptop from 8.1 to 10 (still using 7 for all my actual work, the test is for checking an issue a client might have, checking how something works etc).

Anyway, no plans to use 10 in production, but I can show clients if they're interested... I'm surprised at the number of consumers leaping to upgrade, but then, they've been forced into buying 8 for a few years (we've kept supplying 7 and I just purchased two more laptops a week ago and continued to buy with 7 installed) so I can see why I guess... it can't get much worse than the 8 experience.

i hear they're giving it away (if you bought their other abortions >xp ) but *for a limited time only* (1 year)
interesting, from M$.

that said. well. fuck. had a mate running 10 alpha on mac hardware (Microstosh >< ). i berated him soundly.

do they just recycle all their fucking code all the time? it's like they've skinned half of the os and called it new. the CP in 10 is the same as 7. tiles? same, task bar/tray? same. file explorer, same. (FUCK that "favourites" bar, give me a tree. and fucking just try and remove it)
what do any of the mscs look like? windows nt with an XP skin, huh? FOR FUCKS SAKE. fifteen plus year old code...

and fuck desktop widgets. all day long.

but oh fucking joy, they finally got rid of IE :facepalm:

i suppose if morons are willing to pay for their shit they'll keep making it.

and "apps"? on a desktop what the fuck. i suppose it's the way the world is going, but it's pretty shitty.

M$, you may continue to eat dicks.

[Akzle]

My new laptop will stay in the cupboard then. give it to me


Is it possible for a computer shop to install windows 7 over the 8.1 system?. it's possible for you to do it.

if you can still drop to a cli from the win7 install disc then format c:\ and you'll be right. take a whiley but, if you've got a bigun.

start with nix though. or a ubcd for maximum bestness.


Well guess that confirms how MS plan on making their cash moneys... Data mining; Shouldn't be a problem for most people tho, they're already on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Chrome, YouTubes etc etc

yes, and now you can "keep all your accounts in one place" and "manage keyrings" (in windows? maybe, maybe not?) so all your passwords are conviniently stored on M$ servers...

yeah, right.

[Akzle]

((attached thumbnails))

bsod. lol.

[awa355]

I'm running XP and win7 at home, so I've been doing a bit of research into Win10.

Apart from that awful new user interface, it looks to me like the only major new feature is Cortana - a digital assistant like Apple's Siri. But it doesn't work in NZ yet, and probably wont for a year or more.

There are also no drivers available for a number of my old hardware devices ( Nikon Coolscan in particular)

It also looks like a number of the email clients don't do IMAP or POP3 properly

But in particular I actively detest the data harvesting, and the inline advertising and Microsoft's new terms and conditions....

There is some interesting analysis to be found here.

https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

and its starting to get noticed

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings

Thanks, but no thanks - I now definatly do NOT want Win10

Have copied this extract from the Guardian link.

'The European digital rights organisation (EDRi) sums up the company’s 45 pages of terms and conditions by saying: “Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties.”

In many ways, however, Windows 10 is merely moving closer towards what has become the new normal thanks to mobile operating systems. Both Siri and Google Now require access to the user’s personal information to personalise responses, while both Apple and Google offer developers the ability to deliver personalised ads to users based on information such as app installs'.

Think I am with Jim on this one.

[bogan]

Was thinking of looking at 10 a bit more seriously after people were saying they got decent performance boosts with it.


popular, most certainly.
useful, for probably ~95% of what needs doing. IME, the nix analogues are better that the winblows ones. (office, i'm looking at you).
Solidworks? Photoshop? Steam? Gtav? What are the nix analogues for those?

Cli is fine for power uses (who also tend to require windows for other power-software) , but shit for everyone else.

[Akzle]

Was thinking of looking at 10 a bit more seriously after people were saying they got decent performance boosts with it.
just turn off all the bullshit that whore memory in windows. Disable 'aero' shit.


Solidworks? Photoshop? Steam? Gtav? What are the nix analogues for those?
bricscad, freecad, cycas, varicad, blender, depending on your focus / amazon, gimp, photivo, magix / steam / i dont know gtav

and theres always wines 'not-emulation' - not perfect, but given the choice, i'd take it over having windows installed. It depends how much of a windows fan boi you are, what you NEED and whut youre willing to trade off.
I'm not willing to trade off a functional os for proprietary software. Just me.


Cli is fine for power uses (who also tend to require windows for other power-software) , but shit for everyone else.

no cli is fine for getting shit done. Why click twenty fucken things when i can type one line and be done?

[bogan]

just turn off all the bullshit that whore memory in windows. Disable 'aero' shit.


bricscad, freecad, cycas, varicad, blender, depending on your focus / amazon, gimp, photivo, magix / steam / i dont know gtav

and theres always wines 'not-emulation' - not perfect, but given the choice, i'd take it over having windows installed. It depends how much of a windows fan boi you are, what you NEED and whut youre willing to trade off.
I'm not willing to trade off a functional os for proprietary software. Just me.



no cli is fine for getting shit done. Why click twenty fucken things when i can type one line and be done?

Doesn't make much difference. Sounds like 10 has a lot of under-the-hood improvements to performance.

They're all shit; why waste days with substandard software just to be a linux fanboi? Emulation is shit, things never work 100% and you end up wasting time. Windows is a perfectly functional OS, I'm not willing to trade proprietary software for a nix fanboi hat.

Perhaps if you were better at clicking, the first one would get it done... And of course the answer for non-power users, is that remembering exact names and syntax is more trouble than clicking a thing or two.

Anyway, don't you use plebain? is that even a custom build? gentoo or at very least arch w/lxde is what any real linux power-user would use.

[Akzle]

Perhaps if you were better at clicking, the first one would get it done... And of course the answer for non-power users, is that remembering exact names and syntax is more trouble than clicking a thing or two.

Anyway, don't you use plebain? is that even a custom build? gentoo or at very least arch w/lxde is what any real linux power-user would use.

im not expecting to change your mind, but recommend you give fedora a try, with wine. Spend a weekend learning/googling config, and see whats what.

Okay winboi, change permissions of one folder, and 7 of 10 subfolders, except .txt files, to one user in a group.

How many clicks eh?

Do you understand the difference between desktop environment and distro?

And, because it matters to you? Yes, i run debian7 on the 3.2 kernel, primarily with lxde (openbox, mate, xfce, kde also installed. i regret kde, but fear a purge.), custom fm, wm and de.
Only upgraded from 5 and the 2.8 kernel in may...

But yeah, i've been thinking about arch. I've limited bandwidth, but, and frequently forget to install everything i need on day 1.

[bogan]

im not expecting to change your mind, but recommend you give fedora a try, with wine. Spend a weekend learning/googling config, and see whats what.

Okay winboi, change permissions of one folder, and 7 of 10 subfolders, except .txt files, to one user in a group.

How many clicks eh?

Do you understand the difference between desktop environment and distro?

And, because it matters to you? Yes, i run debian7 on the 3.2 kernel, primarily with lxde (openbox, mate, xfce, kde also installed. i regret kde, but fear a purge.), custom fm, wm and de.
Only upgraded from 5 and the 2.8 kernel in may...

But yeah, i've been thinking about arch. I've limited bandwidth, but, and frequently forget to install everything i need on day 1.

I use already arch for a work job,. It works in the role I need it for, as does windows. I've use other flavors too, just because I choose windows doesn't mean I'm not familiar with linux.

None, who needs that shit. But it could be done with many if you had too. How many commands does it take in nix to open solidworks?

Ofc, that's what makes windows so good, there is none.

:yawn: pleb

Linux is largely for hipsters who get a buzz out of typing in commands, professionals tend to go for the other OSs (tech/engineering to win7, arts to mac) for the powerful software you can get with em. Efficiency of repetitive minor processes will just never outweigh functionality.

[Akzle]

just because I choose windows doesn't mean I'm not familiar with linux.
do it faggot


How many commands does it take in nix to open solidworks?
once your shits configd. One. :laugh:

that's what makes windows so good, there is none.
errr, yeah. Right.

Linux is largely for hipsters who get a buzz out of typing in commands, professionals tend to go for the other OSs (tech/engineering to win7, arts to mac) for the powerful software you can get with em. Efficiency of repetitive minor processes will just never outweigh functionality.

uh yeah. Except for the fact that thats horseshit and nix does most things better than windows.
And mac is nix.

Linux runs pretty much everything that matters. Like, the internet.

Small, small world you live in. And some pretty ghey fanboi 'professionals'.

Ime, the ONLY thing tying professionals to windows, like you, is proprietary software.

[Akzle]

They're all shit; why waste days with substandard software just to be a linux fanboi? Emulation is shit, things never work 100% and you end up wasting time.

you've tried them all? I'm impressed. Thats a hefty time commitment.
I'm sure the devs will have taken on your feedback, too.

Wine is not emulation. Thus the 'non-emulation' part of the name.

[bogan]

Linux runs pretty much everything that matters. Like, the internet.

fucking plebs :laugh:

[Akzle]

...and the large hadron collider




:facepalm: dumbass.

[pete376403]

Linux is largely for hipsters who get a buzz out of typing in commands... Efficiency of repetitive minor processes will just never outweigh functionality.

That's sounds a whole lot like Powershell on Server 2012

[Gremlin]

Is it possible for a computer shop to install windows 7 over the 8.1 system?.
Right, getting back to a semblance of the topic, rather than arguing over something completely unrelated...

Yes, it is possible, but there could be some hitches. First up, you'll want to wipe the 8 OS away completely, so you'll need to backup anything on the computer you want, files, software etc. If you have any particular software installed, make sure you've got the installation disc (or it's available on the Internet), any activation keys etc. It's like buying a new computer from the store... it's blank.

The most common hitch is interacting with hardware. Are drivers available from the manufacturer in Win7 for your laptop? If it has a touchscreen, fingerprint reader etc, it's possible you'll lose that functionality going to Win7. If the laptop was designed and manufactured after Win8 launched, it's possible the manufacturer never made Win7 drivers for it. It's possible Win7 will sort something out automatically... but you won't know until you're trying.

Secondly, what items are you trying to connect to the computer? This is usually more of an issue going to a newer operating system than older, but you never know. Printers, cameras, microphone, webcams etc etc, can all trip you up.

[TheDemonLord]

do it faggot


once your shits configd. One. :laugh:

errr, yeah. Right.


uh yeah. Except for the fact that thats horseshit and nix does most things better than windows.
And mac is nix.

Linux runs pretty much everything that matters. Like, the internet.

Small, small world you live in. And some pretty ghey fanboi 'professionals'.

Ime, the ONLY thing tying professionals to windows, like you, is proprietary software.

root@akzlenix:~ rm -rf /*

[TheDemonLord]

That's sounds a whole lot like Powershell on Server 2012

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[Hitcher]

A non-techs assessment of Windows 10 (after 4 days):

Once you strip all of the crap Microsoft bloatware and hypeware away (Edge, One Note, Pictures, Videos, OneDrive, Mail, Bing, Phone, Weather, News, etc in etc), it's just another operating system. It's no faster or more enabling that 7 or 8.1. However it is definitely more invasive -- I now have to login to everything using my Microsoft login, as one example.

Nothing is given away. Even Microsoft Windows traditions for generations of users like Freecell, Solitaire and Minesweeper are gone, relegated to that bizarre Windows XBox games world. Yes, they're "free" but hard and slow to access, and lesser versions of what they once were. I am presuming that the standalone XBoxes are functional devices, because if they are anything like the Windows bloatware version they would never sell. The Windows XBox games are generally shit and many of the apps just don't work (e.g. Skype and Acrobat, which you need to download the desktop versions for if you want full features and performance). If I wanted to play free shitter socially connected games, I'd do that on Facebook. Even Candy Crush Saga (or whatever its name is) is part of the Windows 10 bundle.

As soon as Google Docs becomes a proper word processor, I will be out of Mr Microsoft's world.

And no, Apple four-percenters, I won't be coming to your overpriced desktop operating system and hardware precinct.

[Akzle]

A non-techs assessment of Windows 10 (after 4 days):

Once you strip all of the crap Microsoft bloatware...
i do. :laugh:


completely


...by not running it.


As soon as Google Docs becomes a proper word processor, I will be out of Mr Microsoft's world.
check out apache open office, or, some people can tolerate libreoffice.
both are much more use than M$ and have (more or less) full support for .docx and otherwise bum-fuck M$.
and they're free. even on windows.


And no, Apple four-percenters, I won't be coming to your overpriced desktop operating system and hardware precinct.
you really should, it's not half shit software....

[Hitcher]

check out apache open office, or, some people can tolerate libreoffice.
both are much more use than M$ and have (more or less) full support for .docx and otherwise bum-fuck M$.
and they're free. even on windows.

I tried both a few years ago, and became increasingly frustrated trying to find out how to do things (one was removing a watermark from a client's document and I can't remember the others) that I know Word can do. So I swallowed hard and signed up for Office 365 or 360 or whatever it's called. Their online help was also ratshit -- Kiwi Biker is a great example of the pros and cons of getting help from an unmoderated forum, and that's how Open and Libre used to do the help stuff. Since then MS has followed suit. Gahh! Thud.

The best ever version of Word was the 2002 model. It's been downhill since. I have no idea what Microsoft's rationale for change has been other than difference.

It's just Word. I don't need Excel or PowerPoint as there are way better options elsewhere.

Anyway, thanks for the memory jog. I shall now go and download Open or Libre or both and see how they have improved over the past while.

[pete376403]

You could also checkout Kingsoft Office, AKA WPS. Chinese office suite in both free (was when I got it anyway) and paid versions, very good MS Office 2010 compatibility at a fraction of the price. its probably got a whole heap of security holes / backdoors that the Chinese Government could use if they wanted to - not much different to MS Office in that respect. Im running it on windows 7 but there are Linux and other platforms as well http://www.kingsoftstore.com/

[R650R]

I'm being spammed by Microsoft now everytime my computer starts, a pop up from the bottom menu bar. Right where they force installed that icon to trick many people into accidently upgrading.
Anyway the pop up box says upgrade to windows 10 now, free for a limited time. Lost count how many times I've closed the box. No thanks, bugger of microcrap....
To top it off the mega spyware that it is will hog our net connections too, just look at how much data its sending over the net connection you are paying for:

All text typed on the keyboard is stored in temporary files, and sent (once per 30 mins) to:

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

This will allow Microsoft and the greater ******************** to have a way to steal every joke, every poem, every intellectual endeavor you ever create and have it copyrighted before you even stop typing.



Telemetry is sent once per 5 minutes, to:
vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

This allows them to track you very accurately.



Typing the name of any popular movie into your local file search starts a telemetry process that indexes all media files on your computer and transmits them to:
df.telemetry.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com

This allows them to index any "unauthorized" content...

When a webcam is first enabled, ~35mb of data gets immediately transmitted to:
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

This allows them to get a good layout of your home and surroundings, and a good look at YOU PERSONALLY so they know exactly who to go get and how to stage the attack when something you typed pissed them off.



Everything that is said into an enabled microphone is immediately transmitted to:

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com


So even if you do not type anything, just talking in the room...

[Akzle]

bit of a long bow, but:

http://bgr.com/2015/05/26/ios-android-windows-mac-malware/

i installed something the other day, it added itself to my repository without asking. I removed it. Cuntfaces.

[sugilite]

To top it off the mega spyware that it is will hog our net connections too, just look at how much data its sending over the net connection you are paying for:



Could you block all those url's you mention in your firewall settings?

[Akzle]

Could you block all those url's you mention in your firewall settings?

not winblows firewall, presumably, but a router, deffor. Or just nat them to oblivion.

[Gremlin]

Could you block all those url's you mention in your firewall settings?
There is the hosts file here: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc

You can open with Notepad and add entries. Whether Microsoft has done something to circumvent that I'm unsure, but I'd certainly give that a shot. The file is used to lookup host names prior to DNS, so the likes of Spybot add a massive number of malware entries to stop your computer from going to the bad websites.

[sugilite]

There is the hosts file here: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc

You can open with Notepad and add entries. Whether Microsoft has done something to circumvent that I'm unsure, but I'd certainly give that a shot. The file is used to lookup host names prior to DNS, so the likes of Spybot add a massive number of malware entries to stop your computer from going to the bad websites.

Good call on the hosts file, but yeah, microsoft might have some devious workaround in the background. Akzle's suggestion of blocking it at the router level seems like a good idea? I have a top of the line Asus router...

[pzkpfw]

Wow.


I'd happily block those URL's from my router (already do that for some advertising sites, to "protect" all PC's in the house at once).

If someone can confirm that wouldn't bork Windows ...


Edit: after a brief random google (is that ironic?) : http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30222844-Stop-Windows-10-From-Spying-On-You-36-DNS-Addresses-to-host-file

... it would seem router blocking might sometimes be "best" anyway, as MS apparently bypass the hosts file for some stuff, no telling what more they might start doing that for.

[Gremlin]

Farken hell, all those users that quickly upgraded from 8 to 10... frying pan to fire anyone? :no:

Only issue with higher level blocking is that if the computer moves to another network or travels, it's vulnerable.

Yay... new headache to figure out :facepalm:

[Big Dog]

Could you block all those url's you mention in your firewall settings?
Put them all in your hosts file pointing to 127.0.0.1


Edit. Get to this page and that has already been suggested. Doh.
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[Big Dog]

I doubt ios or chrome os are any better.

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[Scuba_Steve]

While I'm not all aboard the tracking train I do find it amusing the amount of people upset at the MS tracking but then go on to use Facebook or Googley...
I mean Facebook attaches something like 19 trackers to you when you login & 12 of those trackers follow you round for awhile after you leave Facebook all so they know what sort of ads to shove in your face next time you go back. Googley's no better that's how they make the cash moneys really the only difference is MS has given themselves a way to do it at OS level rather than web level (tho in todays world that's not too much of a difference really)

[oneofsix]

While I'm not all aboard the tracking train I do find it amusing the amount of people upset at the MS tracking but then go on to use Facebook or Googley...
I mean Facebook attaches something like 19 trackers to you when you login & 12 of those trackers follow you round for awhile after you leave Facebook all so they know what sort of ads to shove in your face next time you go back. Googley's no better that's how they make the cash moneys really the only difference is MS has given themselves a way to do it at OS level rather than web level (tho in todays world that's not too much of a difference really)

Don't you count Googley's trackers in the Andriod OS?

[Akzle]

I doubt ios or chrome os are any better.

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guess which operating systems that leaves...

[Big Dog]

Ax.s custom Linux distro. Would you trust that ax dude?

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[Scuba_Steve]

Don't you count Googley's trackers in the Andriod OS?

haha forgot about that, guess then MS is behind the curve yet again

[ledaero]

As a confirmed Mac OS and Linux bigot of some decades standing, I thought I would rumple my shiny HP and stick Windose X on it - and I actually think they've done a half decent job. Still too many popup windows and still stuff that you have to work hard at to turn off, but on the hole (sic) not a bad effort.

It boots real quick and has all the nice stuff under the hood - EXCEPT SS FUCKING H!!!! What the actual fuck, Microweenies? Haven't you ever had to login over a command line before? You are into the third decade of development - you think you would have equipped your OS with some basic tools by now...

If you have an i5 quad with 16GB and a fast disk, it runs almost as fast as my Macbook. ;)

I haven't used it in anger yet, just for a bit of off-the-cuff Arduino development, but it worked OK - better than most of the crud that they have been touting for the last half-decade.

I must admit, though, I did load up Classic Shell (http://www.classicshell.net/) within a couple of hours, just for comfort's sake.

I rarely touch a Wintel desktop machine these days, but will keep 10 loaded up and try and stop using Debian for a while to give it a fair suck of the sav.

I did like the pared-down speed of the new Edge browser, though - Internet Exploder has finally learned to trot, if not nearly to run! It remains to be seen whether it handles standards-based web stuff well. I will persevere.

For those concerned with conspiracy theories, I wouldn't bother - no-one is interested in your anarchism, certainly no-one at MS. They are more likely to be interested in which model of Hell Pizza you order.

[Big Dog]

Windows does powerhell for its ssh substitute.

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[Scuba_Steve]

Windows does powerhell for its ssh substitute.

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Separate thing's; MS is promising to bring SSH to WindowsX & Powershell, Powershell is not a substitute to SSH it is a CLI & a somewhat capable one too unlike the alternative CMD

[Akzle]

For those concerned with conspiracy theories, I wouldn't bother - no-one is interested in your anarchism, certainly no-one at MS. They are more likely to be interested in which model of Hell Pizza you order.

oh. Now i feel better about the retina scanning, facial recognition. Always-on mic and permanent connection to microsoft servers (whoring bandwidth, no less)

yeah. Nah.

20 years since they released microsoft bob, too.

Im hard pressed to find any fucken good ideas theyve had since. (or before, actually. Its just one abortion after another)

[Gremlin]

Im hard pressed to find any fucken good ideas theyve had since. (or before, actually. Its just one abortion after another)
You crazy? What about clippy?

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[Akzle]

You crazy? What about clippy?
>

which, after ill-advisedly foisting on their 'customers' (i believe the cock/'designer' is still employed?!) and after much bitching, and many years later (many!), removing the cunt, EVEN M$ ADMITTED IT WAS A SHIT IDEA.

[Scuba_Steve]

Short rant about Win10 or more MS's key locking

So installed Win10 Pro-N (this is the EU ver that comes without shit like media player which I would never use) my key is for Win7 Pro; thinking this would be sweet as I have a pro key & I'm going to a pro ver I upgraded to be met with a "wrong key for this edition" type message
They've fucking locked the -N ver so you have to have a -N key despite the fact the OS is the same minus some bloatware!!! I could understand if I was trying to go Home to Pro (tho the diff vers are kinda wank in the 1st place) but I'm going pro to pro. Fuck MS piss me off, I DON'T WANT YOUR SHITTY APPS!!! :mad:
Looks like I'll have to reinstall using the normal one & try remove all the bloatware post install or just pirate the -N ver, I'm thinking the latter for convenience.


... and to answer Akzle; I have Win cause I'm still stuck with it for PC games. It's not my main OS, will not be my main OS, & gets powered up like once or twice a week if that.

[Gremlin]

My understanding is that the Win7 key is for 7/8/8.1 and not compatible with 10. Saw something related to that earlier today.

If you want an OS without some stuff, try https://www.ntlite.com/. It's the new version of nLite, which can slipstream updates, drivers, remove some components etc.

In other news, now new Skylake motherboards are dropping EHCI support, which Win7 needs for install... new game thrown my way late today, and I continue tomorrow...

[Akzle]

Short rant about Win10 or more MS's key locking

So installed Win10 Pro-N (this is the EU ver that comes without shit like media player which I would never use) my key is for Win7 Pro; thinking this would be sweet as I have a pro key & I'm going to a pro ver I upgraded to be met with a "wrong key for this edition" type message
They've fucking locked the -N ver so you have to have a -N key despite the fact the OS is the same minus some bloatware!!! I could understand if I was trying to go Home to Pro (tho the diff vers are kinda wank in the 1st place) but I'm going pro to pro. Fuck MS piss me off, I DON'T WANT YOUR SHITTY APPS!!! :mad:
Looks like I'll have to reinstall using the normal one & try remove all the bloatware post install or just pirate the -N ver, I'm thinking the latter for convenience.


... and to answer Akzle; I have Win cause I'm still stuck with it for PC games. It's not my main OS, will not be my main OS, & gets powered up like once or twice a week if that.

me too. I just refuse pay for it.

And i cant remeber the last time i booted it non-vm.

If you dont mind having intel/nvidias back doors/drivers installed, i thoroughly suggest trying wine, it's come a long way.

Or if you have stacks of cores and memory, hypervisor that shit.

Mac "user" though, arnt ya?

[Akzle]

If you want an OS without some stuff, try https://www.ntlite.com/. It's the new version of nLite, which can slipstream updates, drivers, remove some components etc.

or. Arch.

But if you want WINDOWS without some stuff, yeah, that's one option im sure..
I spend a good half hour, maybe more, on a "clean" windows install removing bloatware , hacking the registry to get a mouse that doesn't feel like a drunk retard is interpreting it (seriously does ANYONE have a trackballed serial mouse and anymore??), the visual settings to be less fucking annoying, and generally doing my level best not to just put the fucking pc in the washing machine on spin.

thanks for asking, microsoft! Of course i want fucking pinball installed on a hundred computers in an office!
(i dont do this, thats what images are for, and that would be silly.)

[Gremlin]

thanks for asking, microsoft! Of course i want fucking pinball installed on a hundred computers in an office!
(i dont do this, thats what images are for, and that would be silly.)
MS has moved on from that. Now admins have had hundreds/thousands of computers all downloading Win10.... in case all the staff wanted it...

[Akzle]

MS has moved on from that. Now admins have had hundreds/thousands of computers all downloading Win10.... in case all the staff wanted it...

well, obviously. Anyone running a windows network isnt smart enough to deploy an os "upgrade"...
And bandwidth is cheap, eh.

[jonbuoy]

I didn't mind 8.1 so much 10 is definitely an improvement - the bandwidth monitoring is quite handy. Been using PuTTY for SSH and Telnet for a long time quite handy as it stores all the connection settings. Hate office 2013/16 just too much white on screen- Outlook 2016 won't connect to older exchange servers- I didn't get any pop up advising of this - just a broken Outlook installation.

Stability of Windows has come a long way, got regular images of drives bit I can't remember the last time I had to do a clean install or had a computer crash for anything other than a hardware error. Or virus for that matter.

[Akzle]

or, apparently, manage a centralised internal upgrade server.

[jonbuoy]

well, obviously. Anyone running a windows network isnt smart enough to deploy an os "upgrade"...
And bandwidth is cheap, eh.

I can't imagine there are many networks running with only Windows machines. Would think most have a mix of Mac, Windows and Linux.

[Gremlin]

Outlook 2016 won't connect to older exchange servers- I didn't get any pop up advising of this - just a broken Outlook installation.
This document is your friend: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff728623%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx

Look under operating systems and clients for the two key pieces.

Most of the networks we maintain are exclusively Windows. The bigger ones usually have more Win2000 stuff, the smaller newer ones don't have so much legacy stuff.

[sugilite]

Short rant about Win10 or more MS's key locking

So installed Win10 Pro-N (this is the EU ver that comes without shit like media player which I would never use) my key is for Win7 Pro; thinking this would be sweet as I have a pro key & I'm going to a pro ver I upgraded to be met with a "wrong key for this edition" type message


Did you install 10 as a insitu as they call it? (as in directly over the top of your win7 installation). You cannot do a clean install of 10 and put in your win7 pro key.
Once you have installed over the top of 7, and 10 is running ok, from that point you can do a clean install of 10 from media if the need arises, and the licensing will be fine.

[jonbuoy]

This document is your friend: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff728623%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx

Look under operating systems and clients for the two key pieces.

Most of the networks we maintain are exclusively Windows. The bigger ones usually have more Win2000 stuff, the smaller newer ones don't have so much legacy stuff.

Yup we were moving to hosted IMAP anyway so it wasn't a big deal- just annoying that they deliberately broke outlook 2013/16 to force people to upgrade the exchange server. Could still use the latest Windows mail to connect just not their own office product.

[Akzle]

Yup we were moving to hosted IMAP anyway so it wasn't a big deal- just annoying that they deliberately broke outlook 2013/16 to force people to upgrade the exchange server. Could still use the latest Windows mail to connect just not their own office product.

fuck i love it when companies i pay money to tell me what to do.

[Scuba_Steve]

My understanding is that the Win7 key is for 7/8/8.1 and not compatible with 10. Saw something related to that earlier today.

Na Win10 takes the 7 key, I've used 7 keys for other installs of the standard variant & the message is definitely about the variant rather than the key itself.


Did you install 10 as a insitu as they call it? (as in directly over the top of your win7 installation). You cannot do a clean install of 10 and put in your win7 pro key.
Once you have installed over the top of 7, and 10 is running ok, from that point you can do a clean install of 10 from media if the need arises, and the licensing will be fine.

As of the Nov 2015 update (1156 or some such shit) you can use your Win7/8/8.1 key for Win10 clean install; But regardless of this Win10 won't accept the 7 key due to variant difference.

[Gremlin]

Yup we were moving to hosted IMAP anyway so it wasn't a big deal- just annoying that they deliberately broke outlook 2013/16 to force people to upgrade the exchange server. Could still use the latest Windows mail to connect just not their own office product.
Urgh, unless you really want hosted IMAP, use hosted exchange. IMAP as a protocol is old, doesn't support full mailbox sync etc etc. Of course I'm looking at from an MS environment, your needs may differ. Simple things like having the same inbox/outbox on all devices etc.

[jonbuoy]

Urgh, unless you really want hosted IMAP, use hosted exchange. IMAP as a protocol is old, doesn't support full mailbox sync etc etc. Of course I'm looking at from an MS environment, your needs may differ. Simple things like having the same inbox/outbox on all devices etc.

I haven't had any issues with it - just a case of setting up the folders iPhones needed a a tweak so the sent folder matched other than that no dramas. Everything synchs ok- I used myself as the Guinea pig. Got people wanting to log in from i devices, OSX, Samsung, Windows etc... I actually prefer the Cubemail web interface to using Outlook. Simple clear and fast.

[Stylo]

Spent a while this morning doing the business and transferred to the version 10, as was prompted when I logged in. Must be a first of the month thing. April fools joke ?

Different but, no improvement. In fact it's worse. Nothing seems to work as it used to. What a crock of shit.

Have gone back to the trusty V 7.

[Oakie]

I got this the other day. Didn't ask for it. Found the slightly hidden option to cancel ... and did just that! Happy with Win7 and will be holding on for as long as is practical.

[Akzle]

upgrade to *nix.

[Big Dog]

Ax, you must be pleased add punch with the new Microsoft direction?
Bash coming to windows... sql coming to redhat...

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[pritch]

Must be a first of the month thing. April fools joke ?


Best description of Microsoft I've seen. :whistle:

[TheDemonLord]

Ax, you must be pleased add punch with the new Microsoft direction?
Bash coming to windows... sql coming to redhat...

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Have to admit - Bash coming to windows is exciting

[Akzle]

Ax, you must be pleased add punch with the new Microsoft direction?
Bash coming to windows... sql coming to redhat...

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i know not of what you speak.

But it sounds oxymoronic. Bash is functional all day long. Hardly something microsoft would implement.

Also, bourne is cli for unix kernel. Windows does not has unix kernel.
Ms dropped cli sensibility since ~xp and implemented it as a 3-layers useless "addon" for the gui.

Windows is gay as shit.


I dont use sql, so irrelevant for me. Im sure there's a better implementation.

Direct x is the only windows advantage.

Windows is gay as shit.

[jim.cox]

I see absolutely no advantage to Win10 for my use

The much touted Cortana is repellent (and still does not work in NZ)

I do not game, so DirectX is not needed

I do not need a new browser - Firefox works brilliantly for me

I do not like the new-style interface

And I absolutely abhor the data-collection and spying Micro$oft insist is necessary

I'll stick with my current XP and Win7 installations for now, and will replace with Unix when I finally have to, thank you very much

[Akzle]

I'll stick with my current XP and Win7 installations for now, and will replace with Unix when I finally have to, thank you very much

you could ubuntu right now. But you sound more like a centos fedora kinda guy.
Or mac. But i think mac is a dying breed, fucken good at it though. Overpriced wankery. os 13 is my pick, for the evolution.

[neels]

Tried to windows 10 the wife's laptop, seemed ok but the inbuild random number generator killed the wifi every x minutes, back to windows 7 which actually works.

I like windows xp, all of the legacy shit I play with still works, just because it's 5 years old doesn't mean it's not still functional you disposable society wankers.......

[idb]

I upgraded from XP to 10 just before Christmas.
I don't mind it - I thought it'd be a bigger culture shock than it was - except programs keep crashing...then starting up again.
Very odd.

[Akzle]

I like windows xp, all of the legacy shit I play with still works, just because it's 5 years old doesn't mean it's not still functional you disposable society wankers.......

closer to 15, and "works" is relative (especially applied against a windows box)
the tech has improved in that time. Raid, sse2, uefi.
Xp can/will not support some shit. Ever.
Not that you need/want this shit supported. But it's nice not to have your os limit your hardware choices.

[neels]

closer to 15, and "works" is relative (especially applied against a windows box)
Nah, the shit I work with is well less than 15 years old, and the software was built to work with XP, anything after that it's as flakey as fuck. And it won't work with linux, and the linux boxes we want to replace we can't make work with newer hardware, so linux is bollocks as well.

The industry I'm in likes things to keep working, and most of the population like it if the things we look after keep working, so we'll stick to off internet xp boxes and reliability.

[idb]

closer to 15, and "works" is relative (especially applied against a windows box)
the tech has improved in that time. Raid, sse2, uefi.
Xp can/will not support some shit. Ever.
Not that you need/want this shit supported. But it's nice not to have your os limit your hardware choices.

I have the opposite problem where some of my hardware won't work on 10 because it's too old and there're no new drivers out yet.

[Gremlin]

You may find that you can't install older OS on newer hardware, especially as the new chipsets come out, support the newer stuff and drop older stuff...

Latest gem I found with Win10... the start menu stops working. Seems common, with no easy fix but several complicated ones. Luckily it wasn't a machine I maintain so I left it... Never had the start menu stop working in older OS... just putting that out there :innocent:

DemonLord linked to the GWX control panel software to get rid of the Win10 upgrade annoyance. Been putting that everywhere :love:

[TheDemonLord]

You may find that you can't install older OS on newer hardware, especially as the new chipsets come out, support the newer stuff and drop older stuff...

Latest gem I found with Win10... the start menu stops working. Seems common, with no easy fix but several complicated ones. Luckily it wasn't a machine I maintain so I left it... Never had the start menu stop working in older OS... just putting that out there :innocent:

DemonLord linked to the GWX control panel software to get rid of the Win10 upgrade annoyance. Been putting that everywhere :love:

Flattery will get you everywhere.....

[SPman]

Running 10 Pro on my newist laptop..seems to work fine. I've disabled most of the auto update and "information" ware and run classic shell set to emulate W7. Most of my old games seem to run...Grand Prix Legends, CFS2, FS9.....

[Akzle]

I have the opposite problem where some of my hardware won't work on 10 because it's too old and there're no new drivers out yet.

guess what WILL run...

[Akzle]

Nah, the shit I work with is well less than 15 years old, and the software was built to work with XP, anything after that it's as flakey as fuck. And it won't work with linux, and the linux boxes we want to replace we can't make work with newer hardware, so linux is bollocks as well.

The industry I'm in likes things to keep working, and most of the population like it if the things we look after keep working, so we'll stick to off internet xp boxes and reliability.

xp. Is whats ~15 y/o.

There will be a linux solution.

[Scuba_Steve]

Windows 10 has problems & I'd suggest if you're on Win7 wait but if you're on 8/8.1 upgrade (those were hideous abominations that should never have seen the light of day)
I only use it for games so it gets started when I want to play & shut down when I'm finished. Windows is still an extremely painful experience... Still can't believe you have to go 3 fucking places to change/setup 1 fucking option; it's like Ballmer himself designed it

[awa355]

I will throw this problem onto this thread to save posting a new one.

Wife's laptop is running W7. When starting up or closing down, It sometimes goes to the windows start up screen and a message comes up.

'Failure configuring windows update
Reverting changes, do not turn off computer.'

This screen and message seems to freeze everything and I can't bypass this using any of the keyboard keys.

Is there a way of shutting down these auto updates?. I presume that's what is bring up this page. The laptop is not usable untill the laptop sorts itself out.

For the sicko's, pics of the wife's tits will only be posted if I can cure this problem.

[5ive]

Is there a way of shutting down these auto updates?. I presume that's what is bring up this page. The laptop is not usable untill the laptop sorts itself out.


Never had the problem myself, but you could try this: http://www.incrediblelab.com/failure-configuring-windows-updates-fixed/

[Gremlin]

Is there a way of shutting down these auto updates?. I presume that's what is bring up this page. The laptop is not usable untill the laptop sorts itself out.
You can adjust update settings via Windows Update. Click on Start (or globe, whatever, bottom left of screen), type update into the menu and you should be prompted for Windows Update. Open that, left hand side, Change settings. To completely turn off, under the top drop down (under Important updates) select Never check for updates (not recommended).

Now, do this, and see whether the computer will still try to install updates, as it's already got a download cache of updates to do. If it's still trying we have to dig a bit deeper and clear that cache.

[awa355]

Thanks, once I can access the start menu will put your suggestions to work.

[Gremlin]

Ah, so you're stuck on the reverting changes? It depends on what it's trying to revert, but I'd leave it for up to an hour for it to do it's thing.

When starting the laptop, right after the boot splash screen (HP, Asus etc) and before the Win7 loading icon, try pressing F8 repeatedly. This will give you the option to boot to safe mode and and several other options. Just the act of booting to safe mode then rebooting can sort some of that.

[awa355]

It's been reverting for over two hours so far this time. Patience is a virtue, I believe.<_<

[slofox]

. Patience is a virtue, I believe.<_<

According to my old mum,

"Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can,
seldom found in women and never in a man"

She was a master of trite phrases.

[eldog]

Had some of those weird and wonderful ms up theatres myself.
even with updates turned off, they still come thru......

sometimes 6 hours of nothing then boom all comes right. Done this several times in the last year. Ms is still trying to update to W10 by whatever sneaky methods like updating saying only w10 is the option.

i am waiting to go from w8.1 to w10 when the main program I use is certified w10. Not before.

leave it plugged in and on overnight then see what happens. Or go for a ride.

dont upgrade from vista to w8 unless you need a brain transfer and have endless supplies of aspirin.:facepalm: As ms deletes the program key codes and you have to find them to get them going again. Arses.... And the ms help on Windows is a long endless loop..... I know, got dizzy cycling thru the help screens. At least I rang and got a very pleasant ms rep who fully understood my (computer) problem he resurrected all the ms program keys, some of which I couldn't be arsed to find and got my system back to speed.

i only hope w10 isn't too controlling and sneaky arse taking up all the processing power to spy on us mortals.

[Akzle]

i only hope w10 isn't too controlling and sneaky arse taking up all the processing power to spy on us mortals.

hahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaa.

Yeah. Nah. It is.

[Oakie]

According to my old mum,

"Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can,
seldom found in women and never in a man"

She was a master of trite phrases.

According to Archie Bunker ... "Patience is a virgin"

[huff3r]

hahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaa.

Yeah. Nah. It is.

If you let it. Opt out at everything at the install stage. Also, 7 and 8 do the sneaky spy thing too, they just never asked you if you were ok with it first (came in at sp1 I believe). As does anything made by Lenovo, however that can't be turned off as its at a hardware level.

[Akzle]

As does anything made by Lenovo, however that can't be turned off as its at a hardware level.

more information required.

UEFI or something else?

[huff3r]

more information required.

UEFI or something else?

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2984889/windows-pcs/lenovo-collects-usage-data-on-thinkpad-thinkcentre-and-thinkstation-pcs.html

This covers the pre-installed spyware they have, however they also have seemingly pointless microchips on their motherboards, as well as within their monitors and other peripherals. Not much online about it cos nobody really bothers to look inside their hardware or understand it at a chip by chip level.

[Akzle]

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2984889/windows-pcs/lenovo-collects-usage-data-on-thinkpad-thinkcentre-and-thinkstation-pcs.html

This covers the pre-installed spyware they have, however they also have seemingly pointless microchips on their motherboards, as well as within their monitors and other peripherals. Not much online about it cos nobody really bothers to look inside their hardware or understand it at a chip by chip level.

try as i may, i cant find c:/ on my system....

to be fair to lenovo, most PC problems start there. getting rid of it is always worthwhile.

since windows is crapware, i cant see how third party (OEM at that) can be much worse.

[Gremlin]

try as i may, i cant find c:/ on my system....

to be fair to lenovo, most PC problems start there. getting rid of it is always worthwhile.

since windows is crapware, i cant see how third party (OEM at that) can be much worse.
The Lenovo issue came to light a little while ago.

However, of more concern was the ability of NSA/et al to intercept your server shipment, load a custom BIOS (that appeared OEM) and then let the shipment continue... It enabled them access to the machine right at the root, impossible to detect until you analysed the custom and OEM bios side by side etc.

[Akzle]

The Lenovo issue came to light a little while ago.

However, of more concern was the ability of NSA/et al to intercept your server shipment, load a custom BIOS (that appeared OEM) and then let the shipment continue... It enabled them access to the machine right at the root, impossible to detect until you analysed the custom and OEM bios side by side etc.

i believe im correct in saying that this is a UEFI thing (stand to be corrected) and kinda should be taken as read that SOMEONE is, when they implemented the back doors to hardwares as standard.
"for your convinience" of course.

also, your stupid fault for buying jew-made intel ware. (again, i stand to be corrected)

[R650R]

Yey or Nay, last chance to windows 10 'upgrade' (from 7 professional 64 bit) Should I shouldn't I.... ??????????????????

[Scuba_Steve]

Yey or Nay, last chance to windows 10 'upgrade' (from 7 professional 64 bit) Should I shouldn't I.... ??????????????????

I wouldn't be too fussed but you could always do an upgrade to activate your system so you always have the option & then just roll back to Win7 until you're ready to move forward... It's not a bad OS [as far as Windows goes] but there are some caveats that go with it, one of the smaller ones being lack of customization (if you're into that) and there is SW that doesn't work with Win10 incl possibly some of your drivers dependent on age of machine & manufacturer support

[huff3r]

Yey or Nay, last chance to windows 10 'upgrade' (from 7 professional 64 bit) Should I shouldn't I.... ??????????????????


I wouldn't be too fussed but you could always do an upgrade to activate your system so you always have the option & then just roll back to Win7 until you're ready to move forward... It's not a bad OS [as far as Windows goes] but there are some caveats that go with it, one of the smaller ones being lack of customization (if you're into that) and there is SW that doesn't work with Win10 incl possibly some of your drivers dependent on age of machine & manufacturer support

As Steve said, may as well if only for the licence key. Can always roll-back if you really hate it. I quite like it, and wouldn't go back to 7. Runs better on both my PCs, even if it technically isn't supported for my laptop.

[Akzle]

meanwhile, I find it hilarious that my bios flags windows bootloader as a virus

[Gremlin]

I prefer Win7. The continuous Win10 updates are going to be interesting. Already software works fine, MS releases (many) updates, and something amongst them breaks software. Then you wait until that gets solved... could be 6+ months.

Yay :eek:

I will qualify that, if you're in a business network, don't fuck with it. Let IT handle it. I have plenty of systems that must not go onto Win10 as software simply won't work.

[Akzle]

aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.

so this seems like the latest windows-whinge thread, so here's mine:

fuck you winsxs folder.

seriously, your code is that poos that it's actually neither forward nor backward compatible EVEN WITH THE REST OF YOUR SHITTY CODE.

meanwhile, also not functional at 640x480 res. nice one windows.
eat a bowl of dicks.

[GSX150]

I will throw this problem onto this thread to save posting a new one.

Wife's laptop is running W7. When starting up or closing down, It sometimes goes to the windows start up screen and a message comes up.

'Failure configuring windows update
Reverting changes, do not turn off computer.'

This screen and message seems to freeze everything and I can't bypass this using any of the keyboard keys.

Is there a way of shutting down these auto updates?. I presume that's what is bring up this page. The laptop is not usable untill the laptop sorts itself out.

For the sicko's, pics of the wife's tits will only be posted if I can cure this problem.

This is a pretty good step-by step guide to resolving the issue: https://www.404techsupport.com/2016/04/04/updates-reverting-loop-windows7/ . Awaiting said pics. :killingme

[Gremlin]

This is a pretty good step-by step guide to resolving the issue: https://www.404techsupport.com/2016/04/04/updates-reverting-loop-windows7/ . Awaiting said pics. :killingme
Explain why you list your location as Sydney, but your IP address locates you in Miami USA?
Everyone else take this member's post with caution until a suitable explanation is given.

[FJRider]

Explain why you list your location as Sydney, but your IP address locates you in Miami USA?
Everyone else take this member's post with caution until a suitable explanation is given.

Some Anti-Virus programs can list you location as somewhere you're not.

[Gremlin]

Some Anti-Virus programs can list you location as somewhere you're not.
Not really what I'm using or have available to me as a mod, but VPNs would do that.
Common for the scammers/spammers though.

[GSX150]

Explain why you list your location as Sydney, but your IP address locates you in Miami USA?
Everyone else take this member's post with caution until a suitable explanation is given.

@Gremlin I'm a U.S. expat. I'm currently in the U.S. on business. If my profile location is meant to reflect my current location as opposed to place of residence, I can update it.

Also I can copy and paste the relevant content from the page that I linked to, if the link is an issue somehow. Not sure what the problem is tbh.

[TheDemonLord]

Not really what I'm using or have available to me as a mod, but VPNs would do that.
Common for the scammers/spammers though.

VPNs for private use have become a lot more common though, especially since they are advertised as increasing your online security (which is partly true, but irks me each time I hear it).

I'd be more interested in why the Necro of a 4 year old thread....

[FJRider]

Not really what I'm using or have available to me as a mod, but VPNs would do that.
Common for the scammers/spammers though.

Every second week I'm using my employers computer system (On Stewart Island), it's Headquarters is in Auckland. So usually my "Location" is given as Auckland as that's where it's routed through. But I haven't been there since '85.

I'm not there this week ... but will be there next monday night.

[Bonez]

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I'd be more interested in why the Necro of a 4 year old thread.... Yeah. I'm curious as well.

[Blackbird]

Not really what I'm using or have available to me as a mod, but VPNs would do that.
Common for the scammers/spammers though.

Alan,

Google Analytics used to list the source of my blog posts as Wellington and this year as Auckland and I haven't changed anything! :no:

Incidentally I used VPN when we went to China last year and that indeed do as you say. It worked perfectly in Shanghai, patchy as you might expect down the Yangtze and not at all in Beijing. I think that there was some blocking going on at the time.

[Bonez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4k0Ctb4uT4

[Gremlin]

Also I can copy and paste the relevant content from the page that I linked to, if the link is an issue somehow. Not sure what the problem is tbh.
No problem, carry on. We get a lot of spammers trying to slip through. Your first post is on a 3-4 year old thread, linking to a website. Location and IP are a mis-match, but not typical of spammers (list London, posting from Pakistan). So I ask... spammers don't respond. All sorted.


Every second week I'm using my employers computer system (On Stewart Island), it's Headquarters is in Auckland. So usually my "Location" is given as Auckland as that's where it's routed through. But I haven't been there since '85.


Google Analytics used to list the source of my blog posts as Wellington and this year as Auckland and I haven't changed anything! :no:
Well... it's your own fault for making me turn geek mode on. Your IP address doesn't geo-locate to your precise location most of the time. This is down to your ISPs POP, or point of presence. For small ISPs, they will have one POP for the entire country, bigger ones can have multiple. This basically means your traffic, before you go to the general internet, is transferred somewhere else. So if you're in Wellington, using a Wellington ISP, then the POP is probably Wellington. But you can also be in Wellington, with an Auckland ISP, and then your POP is Auckland.

You also have Peering Exchanges, basically clearing houses for ISPs, APE (Auckland Peering Exchange) swaps a lot of inter ISP traffic, as do others.