Rwc 2015?

[oldrider]

Argentina has never beaten the All Blacks :no: - Imagine the anguish if they manage to do it this time - 1st cup game 2015? :baby: Quite on the cards actually!

[ellipsis]

...what cc is that and is it fuel injected...

[TheDemonLord]

Argentina has never beaten the All Blacks :no: - Imagine the anguish if they manage to do it this time - 1st cup game 2015? :baby: Quite on the cards actually!

I actually support Argentina as my secondary Rugby team (England will always be my Primary)

I don't think they will win - I'm picking the ABs by 10-15 - but since Argentina got included in the Tri Nations, they are slowly coming up to the level of SA/Aus/NZ - its only a matter of time till they are a genuine threat in world Rugby

[Mike.Gayner]

Rugby. Yawn.

[husaberg]

I actually support Argentina as my secondary Rugby team (England will always be my Primary)

I don't think they will win - I'm picking the ABs by 10-15 - but since Argentina got included in the Tri Nations, they are slowly coming up to the level of SA/Aus/NZ - its only a matter of time till they are a genuine threat in world Rugby

The Argies have actually drawn with us though
Plus they have beat both Aussie and South Africa in aussie and SA, its only a matter of time till they do beat us but not this year.
The Argies have beaten old England a few times (at least in Rugby)

[awa355]

I'm enjoying reading the comments on the UK news websites. The Poms are as one-sided as the AB fans. If the AB's beat England at any stage, it will be down to McCaw cheating, intimidating the ref, etc. NZ being 'chokers' when it really counts.

Believe it or not, some are still going on about Umanga's spear tackle on O'Driscol (lions tour). No worse I guess, than kiwis rabbiting on about food poisoning some time last century :facepalm::facepalm:

[husaberg]

I'm enjoying reading the comments on the UK news websites. The Poms are as one-sided as the AB fans. If the AB's beat England at any stage, it will be down to McCaw cheating, intimidating the ref, etc. NZ being 'chokers' when it really counts.

Believe it or not, some are still going on about Umanga's spear tackle on O'Driscol (lions tour). No worse I guess, than kiwis rabbiting on about food poisoning some time last century :facepalm::facepalm:

Couldn't they find any Richard Loe footage he's bound to he hit a few poms as well I don't think he restricted his activities to just his team mates and Aussies.
I rewatched that tackle on youtube the other day its still looks pretty bad. We were lucky to get away with it as we did. but I can't ever remember ever seeing malice from Tana ever.

[BuzzardNZ]

I'd like to see the Argies win the whole thing. It sure will be an interesting first game for the AB's, especially given Argentina's current form.

Richard Loe, now that's a name you don't hear too often these days. Best AB that's ever played IMO !

[oldrider]

I'd like to see the Argies win the whole thing. It sure will be an interesting first game for the AB's, especially given Argentina's current form.

Richard Loe, now that's a name you don't hear too often these days. Best AB that's ever played IMO !

I have grandson that reminds me of Richard Loe when running with the ball in hand - as long a he doesn't have loe's bad attributes that is OK with me!

[ellipsis]

I'd like to see the Argies win the whole thing.



...Argentina vs USA in final...now that would be a cool thing...Japan 3rd...

[TheDemonLord]

The Argies have actually drawn with us though
Plus they have beat both Aussie and South Africa in aussie and SA, its only a matter of time till they do beat us but not this year.
The Argies have beaten old England a few times (at least in Rugby)

That's why I support them - I think in the last WC they got 3rd? When the Argentines hit their Form - they are a really exciting team to watch.

[BuzzardNZ]

I have grandson that reminds me of Richard Loe when running with the ball in hand - as long a he doesn't have loe's bad attributes that is OK with me!


He didn't have any!

[TheDemonLord]

...Argentina vs USA in final...now that would be a cool thing...Japan 3rd...

If England don't win it (oh god - I've jinxed it now!) then Argentina would be my second pick

[bogan]

...what cc is that and is it fuel injected...

I think it's like this, but for dyslexics?

http://prettycarz.com/data_images/gallery/03/subaru-wrc/subaru-wrc-05.jpg

[J.A.W.]

Rugby. Yawn.

Gay parade.. ewww..

Rugby World Cup? Bring it on.. go Quade!

[Swoop]

Graham Henry stated that "Australia would be in the final".
He makes a very interesting point.

So, with the home side there as well, that makes it an Aus - Eng final. Sounds about right.

[husaberg]

...Argentina vs USA in final...now that would be a cool thing...Japan 3rd...


Japan defeated Wales in rugby June 16, 2013

[Swoop]

Japan hunted down Wales.
Corrected it for ya.

[husaberg]

Corrected it for ya.
Yeah but only for scentific research. They are bland tasting compared to Dolphins anyway
I was bloody sure Japan nearly beat Aussie one year too, but i can't find it.

[eelracing]

Graham Henry stated that "Australia would be in the final".
He makes a very interesting point.

So, with the home side there as well, that makes it an Aus - Eng final. Sounds about right.

Im sure his thinking is more along the lines of England losing to Australia in pool play.
Setting up a quarter final with Sth Africa...where the poms will be knocked out.

[husaberg]

Im sure his thinking is more along the lines of England losing to Australia in pool play.
Setting up a quarter final with Sth Africa...where the poms will be knocked out.

What is the history of England like in World Cups
We hear all the time about the one they won one in Rugby
Do they have a history of winning world cups in other events.
You know like yachting, netball and Rugby League and Soccer.:shifty:

[Mike.Gayner]

Gay parade.. ewww..

Rugby World Cup? Bring it on.. go Quade!

Yep, nothing more hetero than a bunch of men in tight tops and short shorts cuddling each other.

[eelracing]

What is the history of England like in World Cups
We hear all the time about the one they won one in Rugby
Do they have a history of winning world cups in other events.
You know like yachting, netball and Rugby League and Soccer.:shifty:

I think they won the latter in 1967.

[J.A.W.]

Yep, nothing more hetero than a bunch of men in tight tops and short shorts pummeling each other.

Fixed that for ya..

No need to gay it up.. ( & don't mention the long hot showers, & towel fun, afterwards) L.O.L...

[eelracing]

Yep, nothing more hetero than a bunch of men in tight tops and short shorts cuddling each other.

Aaawww Mike did you always get picked last at school sports events?

[husaberg]

I think they won the latter in 1967.

Golly 1966 that seems like a long time ago to win a world cup when Soccers your National sport.

How hard can that soccer lurk be ? NZ never even got beaten at the last Soccer World cup they bothered to go to.

[J.A.W.]

I think they won the latter in 1967.

Dunno when they won the latter, but they last won the soccer - whatever that is - in`66..

& how long since a Pom has stood right on top of the box - at a 500/Moto GP? Not since Sheeney AFAIR, nearly 40 years ago..

[TheDemonLord]

What is the history of England like in World Cups
We hear all the time about the one they won one in Rugby
Do they have a history of winning world cups in other events.
You know like yachting, netball and Rugby League and Soccer.:shifty:

Well, England are one of only 2 teams to defend a World Cup in the consecutive Final (the other being Australia), The 2011 World Cup was a bit of a let down.

[jasonu]

Argentina has never beaten the All Blacks :no: - Imagine the anguish if they manage to do it this time - 1st cup game 2015? :baby: Quite on the cards actually!

Who cares? The all slacks are not gods as the NZ press would have you believe.

[jasonu]

Richard Loe .

Did you know he is actually a maori? Real name is Richard Pokineye...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpUatutZDw

[ellipsis]

Who cares? The all slacks are not gods as the NZ press would have you believe.


...thats for sure...but they are looking good to win though...they only have to beat all those other nations that think they are the one's...England wont get a look in...soft fucks ...

[husaberg]

Well, England are one of only 2 teams to defend a World Cup in the consecutive Final (the other being Australia), The 2011 World Cup was a bit of a let down.

So did England defend it well.
To be fair 1987 and 1999 were hardly banner years for old blighty either.

NZ has only missed the last four once and that year.
I believe our players balls were fondled more so than they should have, co-incidentally by a bunch of surrender monkeys whos own lack of balls have required us to bail them out in two world wars now.
Does that sound bitter.............

[husaberg]

Did you know he is actually a maori? Real name is Richard Pokineye...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpUatutZDw

I dare you to say that to uncle Griz.
He will tell you what he thinks, granted no one will understand a word he says but it won't be complimentary

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[J.A.W.]

Tough ol' Loey - is still better than John "chocolate fingers" Hopoate, ('cept for the gay contingent, of course..)

[Oakie]

Gosh. Wouldn't Argentina vs England in the final be a hoot! Now that would be a fiery game right from the anthem singing!

[J.A.W.]

Gosh. Wouldn't Argentina vs England in the final be a hoot! Now that would be a fiery game right from the anthem singing!

You cruel tease.. taking the bloody piss out of both our gay & Pommy monkey post contributors here on this thread - in one foul swoop..

[BuzzardNZ]

You cruel tease.. taking the bloody piss out of both our gay & Pommy monkey post contributors here on this thread - in one foul swoop..

Hey Mr idiot savant wannabe ( more like down's syndrome ) it's one fell swoop!

[J.A.W.]

Hey Mr idiot savant wannabe ( more like down's syndrome ) it's one fell swoop!

Oi, Buzzard-az, ya mongoloid.. can you really be such an egg, to actually believe - that I wouldn't know that..
..too bad you're too bird-brained to swoop on the - intended - pun.. l.o.l...

[BuzzardNZ]

Buzzard-az, can you really be such an egg, to imagine that I'd not know that.. too bad you're too bird-brained to swoop on the - intended - pun.. l.o.l...

Ok I see the 'hoot' in the post you replied to. Can't beat an idiot savant in an argument and I learnt that from one that is stacked and hot but fucking hard work... think I'll pass on you!

[J.A.W.]

Ok I see the 'hoot' in the post you replied to. Can't beat an idiot savant in an argument and I learnt that from one that is stacked and hot but fucking hard work... think I'll pass on you!

Yeah, & if you say that - every time you see yourself in a mirror - Buzzy - you'll likely be the better off for it..

[Woodman]

Yep, nothing more hetero than a bunch of men in tight tops and short shorts cuddling each other.

Says more about you than rugger players.




ABs all the way. Nobody else deserves to win.

[husaberg]

Says more about you than rugger players.




ABs all the way. Nobody else deserves to win.

I think you are right on the money who else refers to people as being hetro:lol:

[Woodman]

I think you are right on the money who else refers to people as being hetro:lol:

Far call, but then he was being sarcastic.

Probarbly a nancyboy leagey.

[husaberg]

Far call, but then he was being sarcastic.

Probarbly a nancyboy leagey.

Now if you had just said warriors supporter i'd be with you..........
Funny enough though did you know Nehe Milner-Skudder came back to rugby because he couldn't make the Bull dogs team

[ellipsis]

Now if you had just said warriors supporter i'd be with you..........
Funny enough though did you know Nehe Milner-Skudder came back to rugby because he couldn't make the Bull dogs team


...I can see why he didn't get the league deal...he is the ultimate skilled warrior in a rugby back line, not a brawler...

[Woodman]

Now if you had just said warriors supporter i'd be with you..........
Funny enough though did you know Nehe Milner-Skudder came back to rugby because he couldn't make the Bull dogs team

That was lucky....

[husaberg]

That was lucky....

I didn't know till his first game so I googled.
Considering the Huricanes line up he was lucky to get a chance with the line up there as well.
I never even seen him play till his first game for the AB's
It was like where the f did they find him.

[husaberg]

...I can see why he didn't get the league deal...he is the ultimate skilled warrior in a rugby back line, not a brawler...

Is there any gingas in the team, I have always had my doubts about Richey and Kieran Read................

[BuzzardNZ]

Is there any gingas in the team, I have always had my doubts about Richey and Kieran Read................

One's a Jew the other a ginga maori.

[husaberg]

One's a Jew the other a ginga maori.

We can hit both up for loans then

[BuzzardNZ]

We can hit both up for loans then

If either one was 20 years younger and spoke in fish talk, you'd probably have a go at hitting them up for things other than loans :facepalm:

[husaberg]

If either one was 20 years younger and spoke in fish talk, you'd probably have a go at hitting them up for things other than loans :facepalm:

what can I say Its just a bad halibut of mine.

[J.A.W.]

If either one was 20 years younger and spoke in fish talk, you'd probably have a go at hitting them up for things other than loans :facepalm:


You'd ping them with your red one, eh Buzzy..

[jasonu]

Gosh. Wouldn't Argentina vs England in the final be a hoot! Now that would be a fiery game right from the anthem singing!

They could invite the Top Gear presenters...

[J.A.W.]

They could invite the Top Gear presenters...

Which ones? & what for..comic relief? The whole premise is a weak bloody joke, already..

[awa355]

I'm afraid I have had a gutsfull of the media coverage already. Just so much drivel. Headlines on the Herald site, "WHY Australia wont win".

[oldrider]

I'm afraid I have had a gutsfull of the media coverage already. Just so much drivel. Headlines on the Herald site, "WHY Australia wont win".

It's what they do - when nothing is happening they talk shit - things might improve once the games begin!

Otago pulled off a great win against Wellington (and the odds) last night in their ITM cup match! (Otago man now - used to play in Wellington back in the day)

[Oakie]

They could invite the Top Gear presenters...


Which ones? & what for..comic relief? The whole premise is a weak bloody joke, already..

J.A.W. : you need to have seen the Top Gear Argentina Special to understand jasonu's comment.

[J.A.W.]

J.A.W. : you need to have seen the Top Gear Argentina Special to understand jasonu's comment.


Ok, ta for that Oakie, but aren't they ex-Top Gear buffoons - anyhow?


& Poms VS Argies still aint gonna be as intense as AB's VS Jarpies-Sarfies is it..

'Straya can win their pool & pummel the Poms/avoid the AB's - too soon I'd reckon..

[oldrider]

Watched the opening game England v Fiji - for a while I began to think it was the referee's world cup but he settled down in the second half - Fiji did well!

[Oakie]

& Poms VS Argies still aint gonna be as intense as AB's VS Jarpies-Sarfies is it.. I believe it would be. Argies are still somewhat miffed over the whole Malvinas thing.

[J.A.W.]

I believe it would be. Argies are still somewhat miffed over the whole Malvinas thing.


Be serious.. that little squabble is nothing compared to the bad blood between NZ & SA in rugby..

[Oakie]

Be serious.. that little squabble is nothing compared to the bad blood between NZ & SA in rugby..

Check out the last 15 minutes of the Top Gear Argentinian Special and tell me if the SA v NZ rivalry goes anywhere near that.

[ellipsis]

- Fiji did well!

...not well enough...I was hoping for a big, suck this, smashing of the soft wank poms...looks like the Aussies or us will have to do it...

[J.A.W.]

Check out the last 15 minutes of the Top Gear Argentinian Special and tell me if the SA v NZ rivalry goes anywhere near that.

C'mon.. Top Gear is a scripted comedy show, not an historic sporting contest of truly bitter intensity..

[Oakie]

C'mon.. Top Gear is a scripted comedy show, not an historic sporting contest of truly bitter intensity.. Yes. Top Gear is a scripted comedy show. Argentina's reaction to it and anything that represents England ... is not.

[eelracing]

Japan beats Sth Africa whooda thunk it.
Their first World Cup win ever and against a favorite.
Suddenly world rankings dont mean shit.

[awa355]

Good for them and for world rugby.

[Maha]

Teams like Japan and Argentina should come to NZ for a Provincial tour.

[Woodman]

Japan beats Sth Africa whooda thunk it.
Their first World Cup win ever and against a favorite.
Suddenly world rankings dont mean shit.

Fuck me...............

[TheDemonLord]

Some good results - pleased for Japan, should make the Semis Interesting

[J.A.W.]

Nippon Banzai! Hai!
Take that - Sarfie bastards..

[BuzzardNZ]

Japan beats Sth Africa whooda thunk it.
Their first World Cup win ever and against a favorite.
Suddenly world rankings dont mean shit.

I'm fucking stunned! Thought your post was BS so quickly checked Stuff.

[oldrider]

Tonga 10 V Georgia 17 was a bit of a surprise too - go the minnows! :wings:

[ellipsis]

Tonga 10 V Georgia 17 was a bit of a surprise too - go the minnows! :wings:


...minnows grow up to be big fish if they get fed enough...rugby union is not just a game played by the Dominions anymore and has not been for a while. I remember the Japanese team coming here to be thrashed in the late sixties. It seemed funny at the time, but fuck , did they try hard to run against the opposition...:clap::clap::clap::clap: Wait 'til the USA gets their shit together...

[PrincessBandit]

...minnows grow up to be big fish if they get fed enough...rugby union is not just a game played by the Dominions anymore and has not been for a while. I remember the Japanese team coming here to be thrashed in the late sixties. It seemed funny at the time, but fuck , did they try hard to run against the opposition...:clap::clap::clap::clap: Wait 'til the USA gets their shit together...

Yep, thought my husband was kidding this morning when he said Japan had beaten SA. But when you consider how many ex AB's have gone to coach in Japan it was only going to be a matter of time before they started making some waves of their own. Go Nippon! (Just don't beat NZ...:eek5: )

[Grumph]

...minnows grow up to be big fish if they get fed enough...rugby union is not just a game played by the Dominions anymore and has not been for a while. I remember the Japanese team coming here to be thrashed in the late sixties. It seemed funny at the time, but fuck , did they try hard to run against the opposition...:clap::clap::clap::clap: Wait 'til the USA gets their shit together...

Do remember that the US is actually the defending Olympic Rugby Champion...Yes it was a looooong way back but they haven't forgotten it.

[Swoop]

Tonga 10 V Georgia 17 was a bit of a surprise too

The island teams like to break out the guitar and kava at half time.
Fuck having a slice of orange and a pep-talk from the coach!

[awa355]

Arrggies 18 - AB's 11, Carter out with hamstring, McCaw broken foot, Reid concussion.

[Oakie]

Tonga 10 V Georgia 17 was a bit of a surprise too - go the minnows! :wings:

Was bloody impressed with the Georgian defence. Up until last night I would have thought that was a chess term!

[admenk]

Arrggies 18 - AB's 11, Carter out with hamstring, McCaw broken foot, Reid concussion.

It was the food poisoning :innocent:

[husaberg]

If England don't win it (oh god - I've jinxed it now!) then Argentina would be my second pick

Yeah if they don't win it will be down to you.
Smeone told me the number of pick all the game winners went from 45000 to now only 45 left in the running, after the Japan over SA result
I would hate to be facing SA next.

[Oakie]

Smeone told me the number of pick all the game winners went from 45000 to now only 45 left in the running, after the Japan over SA result t.

Just one person left actually.

[husaberg]

Just one person left actually.
Right you are
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/72227980/single-rwc-punter-still-in-running-for-tabs-1million-prize-after-shock-japan-win

[Oakie]

Right you are
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/72227980/single-rwc-punter-still-in-running-for-tabs-1million-prize-after-shock-japan-win

And that one person has picked Uruguay to beat Wales so probably down to nil people shortly. Although Japan were at longer odds that Uruguay are so ....

[husaberg]

And that one person has picked Uruguay to beat Wales so probably down to nil people shortly. Although Japan were at longer odds that Uruguay are so ....

Are so........................ferry vunny

[Woodman]

Just watched the SA/Japan replay. They deserved to win. They run the sarfies ragged.

[husaberg]

Just watched the SA/Japan replay. They deserved to win. They run the sarfies ragged.

Same, never got to watch it as the as we were travelling up to watch the West Coast beat Marbrough under 11's.
The Japanese sure threw themselves at the Saffas. I don't think i ever saw Eddie Jones smile and i actually forrgott how Oriental he looked.

[Woodman]

Same, never got to watch it as the as we were travelling up to watch the West Coast beat Marbrough under 11's.
The Japanese sure threw themselves at the Saffas. I don't think i ever saw Eddie Jones smile and i actually forrgott how Oriental he looked.

Bloody hell, Japan beat South Africa AND West Coast won a game of rugby :shit::shit:

[husaberg]

Bloody hell, Japan beat South Africa AND West Coast won a game of rugby :shit::shit:

Age grade stuff.
I didn't play (obviously)
They won 3 out of 4 this year.

[oldrider]

Almost an :Oops: but despite it being the RRWC (Rugby Referees World Cup) we still managed to stay in front of the Argies!

Their day in the sun is getting closer by the game - Ireland has the same problem - both dangerously lurking! :corn:

[eelracing]

The AB's have 2 men in the bin and the Argies choose to take 3 points under the posts.
In a final yeah maybe but you fancy your scrum and never beaten the AB's...dumb rugby,but thanx for the let-off.

I think the refs are establishing a heavy hand early to give the teams no excuse when it gets to the pointy end of the comp.
It's good as long as theyre all consistant.

[oldrider]

Actually when I watched the game - Barnes didn't make a bad job of refereeing it - and I think he was consistent enough considering!

[TheDemonLord]

Actually when I watched the game - Barnes didn't make a bad job of refereeing it - and I think he was consistent enough considering!

I have yet to watch any of the matches (grumble grumble Sky Sports Grumble) - but IMO Consistent refereeing is good, but sometimes there can be a thing as too much refereeing (breaks the flow of the game)

[husaberg]

Well it certainly looked like a trip. He deserved to go off.
that said Whitelock was held and half tackled without the ball costing NZ a try as well.
That's was missed yet is also on the video.

[admenk]

Actually when I watched the game - Barnes didn't make a bad job of refereeing it - and I think he was consistent enough considering!

is a Kiwi allowed to say that? :msn-wink:

[Woodman]

Age grade stuff.
I didn't play (obviously)
They won 3 out of 4 this year.

Tell them to make hay while the sun shines.

[husaberg]

Tell them to make hay while the sun shines.

It will be fine all week as it blowing easterly............
I also note that the fruit of loings has also Been in a West Coast league team that has beaten Canterbury as well.

[Ocean1]

Well it certainly looked like a trip. He deserved to go off.
that said Whitelock was held and half tackled without the ball costing NZ a try as well.
That's was missed yet is also on the video.

If they're going to have video ref's ruling on everything they see rather than simply supplying a 2nd opinion when called on then be prepared for a LOT of stoppages. If it becomes the standard method of adjudication they'll have to change the rules so that infringements are a hell of a lot less ambiguous. With the current rules and with 4 "refs" on the case you'd never get more than 30 seconds of play before someone "infringed".

Also: what the fuck was wrong with Conrad's pick off the floor? Looked perfectly legit to me.

[husaberg]

If they're going to have video ref's ruling on everything they see rather than simply supplying a 2nd opinion when called on then be prepared for a LOT of stoppages. If it becomes the standard method of adjudication they'll have to change the rules so that infringements are a hell of a lot less ambiguous. With the current rules and with 4 "refs" on the case you'd never get more than 30 seconds of play before someone "infringed".

Also: what the fuck was wrong with Conrad's pick off the floor? Looked perfectly legit to me.

Granted but when there was a try on the line it should have been referred.
As for Conrad no idea. LOL
Hands in the ruck simply he was there too late to be doing what he was and should not have used them.
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Had a decent look at this video about four minutes look at the second view of richy then the smith one is seconds later.
Conrad lol
He went over the top, never maintained his feet and basically tried to flop over the ball to spoil fast ball delivery he was to late to compete for the ball.
In his defence whoever was there first should have done a better job.
This was all right in front of the Ref, it was a professional foul

[Ocean1]

Granted but when there was a try on the line it should have been referred.
As for Conrad no idea. LOL
Hands in the ruck simply he was there too late to be doing what he was and should not have used them.

I'd have to look again but I'm not convinced it was a ruck to start with. The ball was on the ground and he stepped from in front of it over an Argie and flicked it back. Pretty sure he was still on his feet until the ball was gone.

[Woodman]

If they're going to have video ref's ruling on everything they see rather than simply supplying a 2nd opinion when called on then be prepared for a LOT of stoppages. If it becomes the standard method of adjudication they'll have to change the rules so that infringements are a hell of a lot less ambiguous. With the current rules and with 4 "refs" on the case you'd never get more than 30 seconds of play before someone "infringed".

Also: what the fuck was wrong with Conrad's pick off the floor? Looked perfectly legit to me.

TMO drives me nuts, its turning players into narcs. It all went down hill when they stopped rucking.

[ellipsis]

...it took some time for a new team to get their shit together, but they did...the Argentinians were always going to be a fierce foe to open up pool play with...they know they can knock the biggest over now...the difference was the AB's played for 80 minutes, the Pumas lost their game at about 69 minutes in...those changes made after half time were a big injection of skill and kill...the refs are only ever going to be refs...pressure, interpretation,human...same shit, another season...they looked good even when they were on the back foot...

[oldrider]

I'd have to look again but I'm not convinced it was a ruck to start with. The ball was on the ground and he stepped from in front of it over an Argie and flicked it back. Pretty sure he was still on his feet until the ball was gone.

Agree with you on that but shit happens!

[Ocean1]

TMO drives me nuts, its turning players into narcs. It all went down hill when they stopped rucking.

Yup. With the best will in the world the actual crime rate is huge, only a fraction of which gets pinged.

We're well on the way down the gridiron route. And don't even start on the rampant diving in the other game, a valid ping should require actual blood as evidence...

[husaberg]

Yup. With the best will in the world the actual crime rate is huge, only a fraction of which gets pinged.

We're well on the way down the gridiron route. And don't even start on the rampant diving in the other game, a valid ping should require actual blood as evidence...

Andy Hayden was professional diving years ago.
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Note according to the ref he never saw the Hayden dive but the ref was calling on the pushing of the other all Black (5) Frank Oliver?

[Woodman]

Andy Hayden was professional diving years ago.

The dive wasn't why the penalty was awarded.



You probly already knew that, but ........

[Ocean1]

Andy Hayden was professional diving years ago.

Aye. But you had to go back 38 years to find it. And he copped shit about it, rightly, ever since.

It's the most cynical, dishonest form of cheating there is.

[husaberg]

Aye. But you had to go back 38 years to find it. And he copped shit about it, rightly, ever since.

It's the most cynical, dishonest form of cheating there is.

Well He was an Aucklander. Richie deserved to be sent off he was and it also didn't look like Hansen was that pleased at him making light of it either.
I wonder if Richy will still be knighted now. He has something like a 90 present winning record. player of the year a few times never ever seen any scandal about him.

[Ocean1]

Well He was an Aucklander. Richie deserved to be sent off he was and it also didn't look like Hansen was that pleased at him making light of it either.
I wonder if Richy will still be knighted now. He has something like a 90 present winning record. player of the year a few times never ever seen any scandal about him.

Steady on dude, bad enough pointing out the blatant diving.

I wasn't sure Richie's was deliberate until he fessed up, wasn't clear. And yeah, we're well good enough at trimming our own tall poppies, don't need help from fucking ignorant foreigners.

[husaberg]

Steady on dude, bad enough pointing out the blatant diving.

I wasn't sure Richie's was deliberate until he fessed up, wasn't clear. And yeah, we're well good enough at trimming our own tall poppies, don't need help from fucking ignorant foreigners.

I was sure as soon as they showed the angle from behind the posts rather than side on in the last replay you can see where he watched waited and then stuck his leg out.
It was a bad call of judgement considering his past record, hes allowed a lapse of course its just a shame.
I'm bloody surprised the media wags haven't starting picking on old Murdock again yet, i guess this is the excuse they need.

[Woodman]

Before nanny state referees the players sorted themselves out. The good old days.:niceone:

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[husaberg]

Before nanny state referees the players sorted themselves out. The good old days.:niceone:



They were bloody amateurs at it, here is the real pros.
Watch for the 3 in a row uppercut from Les Kiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmX2GJH0ai4

The fight everyone remembers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-FPBRteDU
in case anyone is wondering that 50 meter try is scored by Dean Bell playing on the wing.
One thing I never knew was Dean Bell and Clayton friend are cousins. Back to rugby

[Banditbandit]

Yeah - the Tamati-Dowling fight I remember because it was the night I dropped my bike Big Time (too drunk to walk let alone ride .. dumb dumb dumb ...)

[Stylo]

Good result with the England-Wales game, watched it this morning in the Smoko room.

Are they playing any matches in Cardiff ?

[awa355]

The way the AB's have been playing, there could well be another upset among the heavyweights. They have not been particularly convincing against the cannonfodder tier.

[ellipsis]

The way the AB's have been playing, there could well be another upset among the heavyweights. They have not been particularly convincing against the cannonfodder tier.


...are you suggesting that the Pumas, who knocked over SA and Aussie recently are, cannon fodder...I think not... yes Namibia did score a try against a giant, cool...most teams can put a try on the AB's in any test, and often do...it's still along way to the shop...

[Oakie]

....it's still along way to the shop... ... if you want a sausage roll?

[Banditbandit]

The way the AB's have been playing, there could well be another upset among the heavyweights. They have not been particularly convincing against the cannonfodder tier.

They've won both - they have no injuries ... everyone's had a run ...

What more do you want? Should they go out and slaughter ever team every time and risk injuries or burnout? No ... they need to top their pool then they need to get through each knockout round ...

They are spot on right now .. they can save the big game for the final ...

[husaberg]

They've won both - they have no injuries ... everyone's had a run ...

What more do you want? Should they go out and slaughter ever team every time and risk injuries or burnout? No ... they need to top their pool then they need to get through each knockout round ...

They are spot on right now .. they can save the big game for the final ...

No one player has not had a trot yet.
Waisake Naholo
As much as I rate both him and Scudder on attack both have been found flailing about in defence at times.
I don't care about the score lines but the backs have looked very rusty.
I would not be surprised if the defence does not improve to see Nonu tried out on the wing to make room for SBW. Its not as if they haven't played him their before.

[awa355]

Going by this mornings match, the All Blacks don't look anything like 'dead certs' for the finals (yet). McCaw and Whitelock played well but a few others were well off the standards required for the knockout stages.

[WNJ]

Going by this mornings match, the All Blacks don't look anything like 'dead certs' for the finals (yet). McCaw and Whitelock played well but a few others were well off the standards required for the knockout stages.
The ABs look average at best it wouldnt surprise me if they get KO'D in the quarter finals,

[Oakie]

At least they won't be worried about peaking too soon. God ... I hope they haven't peaked!

[awa355]

I'm going to watch the England - Aussie game tomorrow. All the 'experts' have England to win.

[J.A.W.]

I'm going to watch the England - Aussie game tomorrow. All the 'experts' have England to win.

& what does the TAB reckon?

"Tell 'em they're dreamin'.." ( & is poor bloody Quade.. back on target?)..

[awa355]

Japan 26, Samoa 5. I really thought the Samoans would've smashed the Nips into the ground.

[pzkpfw]

So far in the Oz\Eng game, either look like they'd beat the ABs.

At least that makes it more interesting.

[Woodman]

Hahahahaha... The whingers are out:woohoo::woohoo:

[TheDemonLord]

Grumble Grumble Bloody Aussie and their Bloody habit of Bloody winning when it Bloody counts Grumble Grumble

[pete376403]

Japan 26, Samoa 5. I really thought the Samoans would've smashed the Nips into the ground.
So now Japan play USA - Pearl Harbour revisited?

[Grumph]

So now Japan play USA - Pearl Harbour revisited?

I know there was one Kiwi in the movie, but on the US side....pretty sure there weren't Kiwis flying for the nips in '42.

Looks to me like Eddie Jones has a game plan for each side they meet, they're working too.

[ellipsis]

...even though gloating over a win or kicking a team for losing is not my way, I did find these pics very amusing...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/72677959/chariots-go-on-sale-as-public-reacts-to-englands-early-rugby-world-cup-exit

[jasonu]

Hahahahaha... The whingers are out:woohoo::woohoo:

But I thought the Aussies beat the poms...

[awa355]

What a joke this 'Man of the match' selection is. The Pom's water boy won it. (almost).

[husaberg]

...even though gloating over a win or kicking a team for losing is not my way, I did find these pics very amusing...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/72677959/chariots-go-on-sale-as-public-reacts-to-englands-early-rugby-world-cup-exit
Seems rather apt.
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[J.A.W.]

Seems rather apt.


So lame.. no wonder they couldn't ah, Hak it - even against 'Straya - at bloody Twickers..

[george formby]

316334

Oh dear. It's only going to get worse.:facepalm:

[jasonu]

Seems rather apt.
>

That is some funny shit/
I can just see tomorrows Herald headline. 'Murrays offended by England Haka mockery'.

[Oakie]

That is some funny shit/
I can just see tomorrows Herald headline. 'Murrays offended by England Haka mockery'.

They were offended about it a couple of weeks ago. They're over it now.

[husaberg]

That is some funny shit/
I can just see tomorrows Herald headline. 'Murrays offended by England Haka mockery'.

It was a while back the English media made more of a fuss over it than ours did, the England management thought it was a bad idea (it was an ad for some store.)
I have crunched the numbers and I predict for the semis
NZ VS SA
AU VS FR

[awa355]

Robson will now be able to retire from playing and take up coaching. He has all the qualifications England requires.

[PrincessBandit]

The ABs look average at best it wouldnt surprise me if they get KO'D in the quarter finals,

Their playing makes me think of skins racing in swimming - do only enough to get through to the next swim-off, saving your best for the last race where it all matters most.
I'm sure the AB's are plenty aware of the mental game as well as protecting themselves as much as possible in readiness for the business end of the tournament.

[Woodman]

It was a while back the English media made more of a fuss over it than ours did, the England management thought it was a bad idea (it was an ad for some store.)
I have crunched the numbers and I predict for the semis
NZ VS SA
AU VS FR

yeah, its going to be an ABs vs France final again.

[oldrider]

yeah, its going to be an ABs vs France final again.

There is a wee bit of water to go under the bridge yet - probably a few more surprises yet too! :rolleyes:

[ellipsis]

There is a wee bit of water to go under the bridge yet - probably a few more surprises yet too! :rolleyes:


...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...

[puddytat]

I wouldn't trust Dan with the final last minute penalty:(

[Swivel]

Me thinking the Irish might upset, I think NZ might face the frogs in the quarter finals

[Swivel]

[QUOTE=Woodman;1130908731]yeah, its going to be an ABs vs France final again.[/QU

I think NZ will meet them in the quarter finals, I'm picking the Irish will top their pool

[TheDemonLord]

The Teams I support now:

Argentina (my #2 pick for any rugby team)
Japan (To see how far they can get)
Wales (last World Cup they did well - lets see if they can get better)

Oh, and France is going to knock NZ out in the Semis (like they do for every world cup that isn't played in NZ ;) )

[oldrider]

The Teams I support now:

Argentina (my #2 pick for any rugby team)
Japan (To see how far they can get)
Wales (last World Cup they did well - lets see if they can get better)

Oh, and France is going to knock NZ out in the Semis (like they do for every world cup that isn't played in NZ ;) )

Why do you live here? :scratch:

[awa355]

Why do you live here? :scratch:

He doesn't, he lives in Auckland. :pinch:

[TheDemonLord]

Why do you live here? :scratch:

Just because you like a country, doesn't mean you can't take pleasure in watching that country loose at something....

[oldrider]

Just because you like a country, doesn't mean you can't take pleasure in watching that country loose at something....

Sorry, must have read you wrong - don't worry - everything will work out OK! :niceone: - if we loose it will be because we deserved to! :corn:

We only played as well as the Georgians would let us - sort of like a team of fox terriers playing a team of Staffordshire bull-terriers - they are tough bastards! :stoogie:

[pritch]

Oh, and France is going to knock NZ out in the Semis (like they do for every world cup that isn't played in NZ ;) )

I seem to recall that in 2007 they didn't even have the good grace to wait that long, they did it in the quarter final. After how the All Blacks have been playing, I'd be very nervous about playing France in the quarters.

It'd be a shame if they get bowled in the quarter finals because we'll never get to see Steve Hansen's master plan in operation. The one that he said he's been keeping under wraps until the knock out stage.

A more simple plan might help. Like fr'instance, the players could catch the fuckin' ball.

[Woodman]

Lose not Loose ffs.:brick:

[oldrider]

Lose not Loose ffs.:brick:

It was put there to see if you were paying attention - didn't you learn that at school? :lol:

[PrincessBandit]

While I'd love NZ to win the tournament I can't help but think that Aussie might take it out this time...:pinch::dodge:

[TheDemonLord]

While I'd love NZ to win the tournament I can't help but think that Aussie might take it out this time...:pinch::dodge:

Well - it has been 16 years since they last held the cup....

TBH - apart from the obvious reasons - I don't want the ABs to win because no Team has won back-to-back World Cups. In fact there are only 2 teams that have gone on to defend the consecutive world cup in a final (Aussie - won '99 - defended in '03, England - Won '03 -defended in '07)

I would like one of the other 'second tier' teams to win the cup - I think it would be the best outcome for world Rugby.

[husaberg]

I seem to recall that in 2007 they didn't even have the good grace to wait that long, they did it in the quarter final. After how the All Blacks have been playing, I'd be very nervous about playing France in the quarters.

It'd be a shame if they get bowled in the quarter finals because we'll never get to see Steve Hansen's master plan in operation. The one that he said he's been keeping under wraps until the knock out stage.

A more simple plan might help. Like fr'instance, the players could catch the fuckin' ball.

By my claculations the quarter finals are
SA vs Wales
NZ vs Ireland

FR vs Argentina
Aussie vs Japan or Scotland

[oldrider]

I could be quite happy with Argentina or France winning the cup - "if" New Zealand doesn't that is - I am holding out hope that the old men can still do it again! :whistle:

Coincidently: We Just spent the weekend watching South Island under-18 and under-16 tournaments at Kaiapoi and Methven! :corn:

There was some very entertaining and quality rugby played but game results can become very subjective with interpretation of the ruck, mall and scrum rules! :confused:

Referees can have too much influence on game results regardless of their intentions to do so or not - I think most of them are dedicated and honest participants! :yes:

The same goes for International level but criticism has caused them to become so damn pedantic and now it's happening at every level at the expense of the game! :o

[Woodman]

I could be quite happy with Argentina or France winning the cup - "if" New Zealand doesn't that is - I am holding out hope that the old men can still do it again! :whistle:

Coincidently: We Just spent the weekend watching South Island under-18 and under-16 tournaments at Kaiapoi and Methven! :corn:

There was some very entertaining and quality rugby played but game results can become very subjective with interpretation of the ruck, mall and scrum rules! :confused:

Referees can have too much influence on game results regardless of their intentions to do so or not - I think most of them are dedicated and honest participants! :yes:

The same goes for International level but criticism has caused them to become so damn pedantic and now it's happening at every level at the expense of the game! :o

Simple solution. Bring back rucking.

[Oakie]

There was some very entertaining and quality rugby played but game results can become very subjective with interpretation of the ruck, mall and scrum rules! :confused:

Referees can have too much influence on game results regardless of their intentions to do so or not - I think most of them are dedicated and honest participants! :yes:

The same goes for International level but criticism has caused them to become so damn pedantic and now it's happening at every level at the expense of the game! :o

True. After catching up on the Tonga / Argentina game which was a comparitively free flowing game I watched the second half of last night's NRL final. Much better watching the league without those tedious scrums which now seem to have a 50% chance of being either reset or result in a penalty for God knows what. Also better without those horrible lineout drives. Not wanting to start a Union vs League debate (to each their own ... and I enjoy both) but yeah, a game of rugby can get a bit tedious with all it's down time now. As an example, I got up at 6.25am Sunday and watched the two games already played earlier that morning and fitted them in before the England / Aussie game. So it took me 95 minutes to watch 160 minutes of game time just by fast forwarding the times when the ball wasn't in play.

[Woodman]

I like watching the scrums, but the phase after phase after phase of tight forwards pigging it up to gain half a metre or less is getting a tad tedious.

[ellipsis]

...by my calculations, (xy=wiz+luckxskill+bounce+heart=humansxthesquarero otoftheref'swhistle) and knowledge of a game that has scrums that can dictate what happens next, and, as big a bunch of ligaments and tendons as any other game of physical endeavour, a game where reading whats going to happen next and the inevitabilities of that happening, being at the whim of a real fucking silly shaped ball and the weather or just Newtons Theories, is leading me to think that most of you wouldn't know you were being fucked, 'til you coughed...

[husaberg]

I like watching the scrums, but the phase after phase after phase of tight forwards pigging it up to gain half a metre or less is getting a tad tedious.

That sounds like I was too slow to play in the backs as a kid;)

[Oakie]

That sounds like I was too slow to play in the backs as a kid;)

I was too talentless to be the backup water boy.

Actually I did play three games in my life (all social - inter business). Propped the first scrum in my first game and then they put me back to lock where I couldn't get in the way. Other two games I was second five ... or centre ... or just standing out in the back line somewhere. In the third game I tackled someone with poor technique resulting in a partially collapsed lung and that was the end of my rugby career.

[Woodman]

That sounds like I was too slow to play in the backs as a kid;)

Not too slow, just couldn't catch, kick or pass, which isn't a pre-reqisite when playing for West Coast.:beer::beer:

[husaberg]

Not too slow, just couldn't catch, kick or pass, which isn't a pre-reqisite when playing for West Coast.:beer::beer:

The use of the word prerequisite with incorrect spelling confirms forward status for you possibly front row.:innocent:

[Bikemad]

but yeah, a game of rugby can get a bit tedious with all it's down time now.

last Epic world cup final the ball was only in play 18 minutes the first half......20 minutes the second half.........rest of the time was wasted with geezers lining up or forming srums etc...........i reckon the clock should stop until the ball is either thrown into the lineout or fed into the scrum........fuck they get paid enough......how about giving us punters the full 80 minutes of action.......

[Swoop]

So.
Has this game finished yet?

[puddytat]

New Zealand will be the 1st team to successfully defend the RWC....:headbang:

[ellipsis]

...and I believe that too...

[oldrider]

New Zealand will be the 1st team to successfully defend the RWC....:headbang:

Now that would be nice ------ really nice! :drinknsin

[awa355]

Plenty of cheap England jersey's and merchandise available apparently. Up to 40% off. That's as good as a Briscoe's sale.

[awa355]

Good game on the home front tonight. On past performances, Waikato don't deserve to be holding the shield tho'.

Will be interesting to read the wounded list after the AB game tomorrow. That will be Hansen's biggest concern.

[oldrider]

Good game on the home front tonight. On past performances, Waikato don't deserve to be holding the shield tho'.

Will be interesting to read the wounded list after the AB game tomorrow. That will be Hansen's biggest concern.

Like to see the shield moving about but that result surprised me! :shit: Agree about the AB's injury count too - Tonga aren't exactly easy easy beats! :no:

[husaberg]

Like to see the shield moving about but that result surprised me! :shit: Agree about the AB's injury count too - Tonga aren't exactly easy easy beats! :no:
We beat them
102-0 2000
91 - 7 2003

[oldrider]

We beat them
102-0 2000
91 - 7 2003

I was not referencing the score - I was referring to the cost physically - they are all just men with bodies and limbs that have to perform later! :confused:

They (Tonga) are not the easiest of easy beats - they are tough cunts! :doctor: Like Georgia!

[frogfeaturesFZR]

We beat them
102-0 2000
91 - 7 2003

But the gap between tier two nations, and tier one nations is closing all the time.
Good for the game.
Gotta work hard for a win.

[awa355]

How the f,,k did Manawatu beat Wellington?

[eelracing]

Aussie defended well this morning but oh so close Wales didnt have a knockout punch left in em.

Im picking the AB's will be playing France in the quarters after tomorow mornings game...:drool:

[husaberg]

Aussie defended well this morning but oh so close Wales didnt have a knockout punch left in em.

Im picking the AB's will be playing France in the quarters after tomorow mornings game...:drool:

Wow you are picking Ireland over France.

[Woodman]

Im picking the AB's will be playing France in the quarters after tomorow mornings game...:drool:

That will be a walk in the park, may as well just put the B team on:rolleyes:

[TheDemonLord]

It's nice to see the English Rugby team finally decided to play Rugby - would have been nice however if they had done it 2-3 weeks ago :mad::mad::mad:

And my heart goes out to Japan - 3 points was all that stood between them and advancing - I am super stoked to see how they will do in the 2019 RWC - when it is on their home turf.

France possibly playing the ABs in a World Cup knockout match (but not in the finals) - I'd be worried NZ, France have one of the highest win rates against the ABs when it comes to world cup matches....

[eelracing]

Wow you are picking Ireland over France.

Yep...


It's nice to see the English.

France possibly playing the ABs in a World Cup knockout match (but not in the finals) - I'd be worried NZ, France have one of the highest win rates against the ABs when it comes to world cup matches....

Bring it...AB's will relish the prospect.

[husaberg]

Yep...



Bring it...AB's will relish the prospect.

Either way we still have to beat a wounded and embarrassed Springbok

[TheDemonLord]

Bring it...AB's will relish the prospect.

I wouldn't be so confident - If the ABs are on form, then it is likely that the French will loose, but despite Steve Hansen's assurances - they ring a little hollow for me, we aren't seeing the clean precise execution that we saw in AB Vs Aus in the 2011 WC (which IMO was the best game of Rugby and performance by the ABs I've ever seen) - sure they could be holding back, but how can you hold back things like basic handling errors and sloppy execution of set peices?!?

Also - I have a gut instinct we may see Australia in the final - they haven't won since 1999 and haven't been to a final since 2003, and there are few things more dangerous than an Aussie side that everyone has written off or dismissed.

[oldrider]

Penalties are beginning to rule - hope it doesn't degenerate into the "Referees World Cup" :angry2: Hours and hours of replays lawyers and court cases! :sleep: FFS!

[Oakie]

Penalties are beginning to rule - hope it doesn't degenerate into the "Referees World Cup" :angry2: Hours and hours of replays lawyers and court cases! :sleep: FFS!

Realised yesterday that that is why I get frustrated watching rugby but not league or football (soccer). At least in those sports free kicks / penalties are generally pretty obvious. I've probably seen 50 penalties from scrums in this world cup and have had to rely on the commentators to find out what any of them were for. I also hate the penalties after long advantages for technical offences that didn't affect play. And kneeling on players at the back of a ruck so they can't get away and thereby getting a penalty. And bloody boring lineout drives! My word ... I think I'm going to be a very good 'grumpy old man' in a few years.

Richard

Curmudgeon (in training)

[awa355]

Apparently one commentator said of the England game this morning, 'The first step to winning in 2019'.

God loves the faithful. :facepalm::facepalm:

[Bikemad]

How the f,,k did Manawatu beat Wellington?

have you ever been to wellington......?

[Swivel]

have you ever been to wellington......?

On a good day

[eelracing]

France have nothing

[ellipsis]

France have nothing

...they have some nice cheese and Citroen...

[husaberg]

Wow you are picking Ireland over France.


France have nothing

You picked it.

[oldrider]

Now it will be a mental thing against France - the top 2" of the head - they will have to dig deep but I have every faith! :corn: and should they lose - stiff shit! :whocares:

[awa355]

Why do people make such a song and dance about playing France? 2007 was a hundred years ago, :facepalm:

Anyway, we beat France twice that year, 42-11 and 61-10. :shutup::shutup::shutup:

[husaberg]

Why do people make such a song and dance about playing France? 2007 was a hundred years ago, :facepalm:

Anyway, we beat France twice that year, 42-11 and 61-10. :shutup::shutup::shutup:


Since 87 we have played them 31 times they have only won 7 of them. So you would think we should win 80% of our matches against them.
Yet we have played them four times in world cups the only time we have beaten them was 87 and 2011(when we were at home) they beat us in 1999 in England as well as 2007
So that's only a 50% win record against France at World Cups.
When that's translated to neutral venues they beat us 2-1
Conversely our record vs the Aussies and South Africa our win record is 50% when playing them at World Cups.
Contrast that with Ireland that has never beaten us ever in a hundred or so years.
France is certainly a boogy team for the All blacks. No other team beats us more often when we play them in the Northern Hemisphere.

[oldrider]

Why do people make such a song and dance about playing France? 2007 was a hundred years ago, :facepalm:

Anyway, we beat France twice that year, 42-11 and 61-10. :shutup::shutup::shutup:

It's New Zealand that puts such store in winning the RWC and being proclaimed "World Champions" FFS! (Do we have to take ourselves so seriously?) :facepalm:

It's simply a four yearly rugby knock-out festival (Carnival - whatever) and should be looked upon as such - world cup winners for that year!

The All Blacks win most of their games outside of the RWC and are generally regarded or ranked as the #1 team in the world to beat = bench-mark!

We (NZ) should learn to appreciate and enjoy the RWC more - I'd like to see the cup won by teams (deservedly) that have not previously won it! :corn:

[awa355]

I loved seeing the faces of the Irish fans this morning. They were simply enjoying watching and supporting their team.

[Swivel]

Since 87 we have played them 31 times they have only won 7 of them. So you would think we should win 80% of our matches against them.
Yet we have played them four times in world cups the only time we have beaten them was 87 and 2011(when we were at home) they beat us in 1999 in England as well as 2007
So that's only a 50% win record against France at World Cups.
When that's translated to neutral venues they beat us 2-1
Conversely our record vs the Aussies and South Africa our win record is 50% when playing them at World Cups.
Contrast that with Ireland that has never beaten us ever in a hundred or so years.
France is certainly a boogy team for the All blacks. No other team beats us more often when we play them in the Northern Hemisphere.

yup thats why

[husaberg]

I loved seeing the faces of the Irish fans this morning. They were simply enjoying watching and supporting their team.

Their team that was winning rather than being beaten by the French?:bleh:

[awa355]

While we are in England and between games, current sports topic seems to be Cairn's trial. This chap could go to jail if found guilty of perjury. What do you think of the whole matter.

[oldrider]

While we are in England and between games, current sports topic seems to be Cairn's trial. This chap could go to jail if found guilty of perjury. What do you think of the whole matter.

If Cairns is guilty as charged he has done himself and the whole game a disservice - but of course he is still innocent until proved guilty! :scratch:

Meanwhile the trial is still on. :whistle:

[Swivel]

If Cairns is guilty as charged he has done himself and the whole game a disservice - but of course he is still innocent until proved guilty! :scratch:

Meanwhile the trial is still on. :whistle:

Yup, I'll reserve my comments until after the trial. Its a shame if he is found guilty.

[husaberg]

Yup, I'll reserve my comments until after the trial. Its a shame if he is found guilty.

If he is guilty it smacks of Lance Armstrong attack and destroy being the chosen form of defence re the first suit with the bookmakers.

[Swoop]

While we are in England and between games, current sports topic seems to be Cairn's trial. This chap could go to jail if found guilty of perjury. What do you think of the whole matter.
Anyone who plays the game of cricket should go to jail.
5 days playing that results in a "draw"?
Fuck that shit. There should be a sudden death shootout - with real deaths and a shootout, to decide who wins. A bunch of faggots wearing white, and when it gets a bit cloudy they whimp out.

Cockmonkeys, the lot of them.

[T.W.R]

If Cairns is guilty as charged he has done himself and the whole game a disservice - but of course he is still innocent until proved guilty! :scratch:

Meanwhile the trial is still on. :whistle:

A leopard never changes its spots :yes:
As the prosecution said he is arrogant;
He was as a kid playing junior club cricket for old collegents we he moved from Dunedin to ChCh in 1980.... couldn't get into HSOB & wasn't till strings were pulled that he was able to go to CBHS. During the years at Boys High he got everything handed to him on a platter riding the shirt tails of Lance's reputation, direct entry to all the training camps when every other poor bugger had to graft for it.
He was always a pompous arrogant prick with devious manipulative trait, had a small band of arse kissers that hung on him like lemmings & he played them at will.
I played cricket with & against him over many years and played colts rugby with him also.
A persons nature doesn't change.....

[ellipsis]

Anyone who plays the game of cricket should go to jail.
5 days playing that results in a "draw"?
Fuck that shit. There should be a sudden death shootout - with real deaths and a shootout, to decide who wins. A bunch of faggots wearing white, and when it gets a bit cloudy they whimp out.

Cockmonkeys, the lot of them.


...in the immortal words of that fat cunt Meatloaf, 'You took the word's right out of my mouth'...

[oldrider]

A leopard never changes its spots :yes:
As the prosecution said he is arrogant;
He was as a kid playing junior club cricket for old collegents we he moved from Dunedin to ChCh in 1980.... couldn't get into HSOB & wasn't till strings were pulled that he was able to go to CBHS. During the years at Boys High he got everything handed to him on a platter riding the shirt tails of Lance's reputation, direct entry to all the training camps when every other poor bugger had to graft for it.
He was always a pompous arrogant prick with devious manipulative trait, had a small band of arse kissers that hung on him like lemmings & he played them at will.
I played cricket with & against him over many years and played colts rugby with him also.
A persons nature doesn't change.....

Have seen a lot of that shit in rugby circles!

Not disagreeing with you at all but if Vincent could be so easily conned by Cairns (as he says he was) how do we know that the Indians are not bribing him now?

Maybe that's why he is so emotional and breaking down all the time ! - just thinking out loud here - the case is still on going! :shutup:

If we are judging a book by it's cover Cairns body language surely shoots him in the foot every news clip! They look to be in deep doo doo!

[awa355]

Looks like the Cains case is turning ugly. Lou Vincent is getting hammered by the defence.

Meanwhile, back at the rugby, I can't see Ireland getting any further. A good article somewhere about the horrendous rate of injuries at this WRC. Twice the numbers of the previous tournaments.

[oldrider]

Gut feeling that the RWC might turn a little ugly in the match with France - harking back to the 1986 test series in France! - French appear to be playing mind games!

(Due to drugs) Not a memorable period for French rugby honour: https://youtu.be/iUGONZSaNM8 the infamous Buck's "ball-sack" test!

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/france/11433808/France-drug-scandal-no-surprise-I-knew-they-were-on-something-says-former-All-Black-Wayne-Buck-Shelford.html

The game has certainly changed under today's rules!

[husaberg]

TMO to Ref
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Its not a punch, its a push to the face with a fist.

[pzkpfw]

(In jokes and humour you used "punch" twice.)

What a game. Even the wife sat through it.

[husaberg]

(In jokes and humour you used "punch" twice.)

What a game. Even the wife sat through it.

Seen and fixed already.
It was a classic line though i'd like to see it at real speed. Plus the attention Richie was getting prior.

[Grumph]

Gut feeling that the RWC might turn a little ugly in the match with France - harking back to the 1986 test series in France! - French appear to be playing mind games!

(Due to drugs) Not a memorable period for French rugby honour: the infamous Buck's "ball-sack" test!

The game has certainly changed under today's rules!

has it though ? Lets wait and see what Crockett's "groin injury" is.....

[eelracing]

has it though ? Lets wait and see what Crockett's "groin injury" is.....

He had the ball at his feet and the try line in front of him and the big lug chose to dive over the ruck.
Any more of that namby play and he'll be playing his world cup rugby off the bench.

Ireland and Aussie for the semi's.

[oldrider]

Very clinical performance - made more satisfying by the fact that the French looked strong in possession of the ball! :corn: Long way to go yet!

[TheDemonLord]

Good for the ABs - as much as I like to poke fun at them - that was a steamroll and definately banished a few RWC French Demons.

[Woodman]

It wasn't a punch, he just pushed his face with his fist.:clap:

[husaberg]

Good for the ABs - as much as I like to poke fun at them - that was a steamroll and definately banished a few RWC French Demons.

Why would you need to make fun of them? You are English afterall:lol:
There's many years of laughter just with the Poms team performance at 2015 RWC.

Plus gee reading the Cairns stuff its looking pretty grim for him thus far.

[PrincessBandit]

Rugby: yep, now we are into the real competition. I found the latter stage of the game this morning still incredibly exciting even once the result was a foregone conclusion.

Cricket: I love watching the Black Caps play even and am gutted to think of any of them being dirty. Sadly I can't help but believe what is being said about Chris Cairns, and of course it's his lawyers job to attempt to destroy witnesses like Lou Vincent (an easy target). I just hope that testimony from the likes of McCullum, Bond and others will enable the truth to be revealed.

Back to rugby: my pick - Argentina and Australia in the other quarters; and ummmm Australia New Zealand for the final. Given that the bokke are probably still smarting over their loss to Japan they will be a particularly formidable foe in our semi though...

[husaberg]

Back to rugby: my pick - Argentina and Australia in the other quarters; and ummmm Australia New Zealand for the final. Given that the bokke are probably still smarting over their loss to Japan they will be a particularly formidable foe in our semi though...

I like my venison rare.
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That said the Boks will lift for the game, they always do.

[awa355]

Only Scotland left now, from north of the boundary fence, and I can't see them doing Australia. Irish gave it a good shot but their legs fell off in the last quarter.

[ellipsis]

...the Pumas know they can beat the Aussies... I hope they maul them before they send them to the airport...I feel for the Scots...so close for the Welsh and them, but no cigar...

[Banditbandit]

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[TheDemonLord]

Picture

Although I laughed - that's actually the England FOOTBALL team coach, not Rugby.

That joke is about a year out of date

[husaberg]

Although I laughed - that's actually the England FOOTBALL team coach, not Rugby.

That joke is about a year out of date

A year old and for another code Yet still very very funny.
They invented both codes too

[J.A.W.]

Although I laughed - that's actually the England FOOTBALL team coach, not Rugby.

That joke is about a year out of date


Well, at least the England Rugby Union Football team has won a World Cup this century,
- whereas the last England Association Football ( soccer) World Cup win was nearly 50 years ago..

& all the other British teams are out of the contest now too..

[awa355]

I was sorry to see the Scot's miss out after coming so close. Guess Joubert wont be walking the moors of Culloden on his own any time soon. TMO usage is a prickly issue, damn'ed if they use it, damn'ed if they don't. :innocent:

[oldrider]

I was sorry to see the Scot's miss out after coming so close. Guess Joubert wont be walking the moors of Culloden on his own any time soon. TMO usage is a prickly issue, damn'ed if they use it, damn'ed if they don't. :innocent:

Joubert claimed the infringement was outside the terms of use for the TMO and he ruled according to how he saw it at the time!

In a game there are inevitably winners and losers - shit happens sometimes - congratulations Australia felicitations Scotland - next time maybe! :corn:

Edit: For what it's worth - I thought the Scots robbed Samoa - what goes round comes round.

[husaberg]

Did anyone else realise that when the ref blew up the melee that was happening when there was the altercation after the non punch.
When the ref said to the person out of camera shot "get off the field now"
He was talking to Liam Messam. Who had you guessed it, again ran on the field during a fight.

[oldrider]

Did anyone else realise that when the ref blew up the melee that was happening when there was the altercation after the non punch.
When the ref said to the person out of camera shot "get off the field now"
He was talking to Liam Messam. Who had you guessed it, again ran on the field during a fight.

Yes I definitely heard that!

I didn't know for sure but I certainly wondered about it and thought FFS! - Never really gave it much more thought until I read your post. :scratch:

Do you know for sure it was actually him? - Stupid cunt if it was! (IMO) :facepalm:

[T.W.R]

[QUOTE=oldrider;1130913607]Yes I definitely heard that!

I didn't know for sure but I certainly wondered about it and thought FFS! - Never really gave it much more thought until I read your post. :scratch:

Do you know for sure it was actually him? - Stupid cunt if it was! (IMO) :facepalm:[/QUOTE

It's the warrior gene bro :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

Yes I definitely heard that!

I didn't know for sure but I certainly wondered about it and thought FFS! - Never really gave it much more thought until I read your post. :scratch:

Do you know for sure it was actually him? - Stupid cunt if it was! (IMO) :facepalm:

It was mentioned on the post match that is was the All Blacks "WaterBOY"

That's the waterboy for you.
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Fighting is thirsty work.
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[eelracing]

Pinnochio entered the Worlds Best Liar Competition.
10 minutes later he came outside crying.
"Whats the matter Pinnochio"? said Geppatto.
Pinnochio wipes the tears from his cheeks..."Who the fuck is Chris Cairns."

[Grumph]

To tie the two subjects together, I'm surprised Shag hasn't been accused of match fixing... I watched the game against France and could only think "Shag's taken his foot off the brake and put it on the loud pedal..."

[awa355]

Methinks Cairns might get a holiday with free accommodation from this. It is about perjury, not match fixing, and not looking good for him.

The NH rugby bosses still think they are on a winner with their northern style of rugby.
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[ellipsis]

...re: NH rugby...Hansen said it all when he said NH rugby is at a disadvantage because of two things, the shit weather that is detrimental to ever being able to play an expansive game for 60 to 70% of their season and their use of SH players instead of utilising their huge club potential...I don't doubt him...

[Oakie]

... I watched the game against France and could only think "Shag's taken his foot off the brake and put it on the loud pedal..."

That may be quite close to the truth I think. It'll be interesting to see what is said about that after it's all over.

I think is was a combination of trying a few subtle things through the pool games (so just treating them as full on practice runs) and just not showing everything you have.

[ellipsis]

...I think that the Pumas may be ranked #No 2 in the world at the end of this...it would be fantastic for the game and something I have said for some years...give them enough 'big game' time and they will advance...

[Oakie]

...I think that the Pumas may be ranked #No 2 in the world at the end of this...it would be fantastic for the game and something I have said for some years...give them enough 'big game' time and they will advance...

They looked really good. Seemed to be able to put their wings into space better than many teams there.

[awa355]

Reading an article about the Springbok/AB rivalry on the Guardian sports page. Interesting comment about John Key which is typical.


The winter of 1981 was a watershed in New Zealand’s modern history. It was a split, says the historian Jock Phillips, between “old and new New Zealand”, and it divided towns, teams, friendships, even families. The full-back Allan Hewson kicked the goal that won the third Test and the series for the All Blacks, only his wife wasn’t there to see it, because she had boycotted all the games. The dividing line is still there, and New Zealand’s current prime minister, John Key, loth to alienate any potential voters, insists that he isn’t able to remember where he was, or which side he was on during 1981.

[oldrider]

Reading an article about the Springbok/AB rivalry on the Guardian sports page. Interesting comment about John Key which is typical.

34 years ago John Key would have been in America learning to become a wealthy man - he probably wasn't even aware of the Springbok tour of NZ! :scratch:

Probably didn't even play the game at school - why would he remember? :confused:

[Oakie]

34 years ago John Key would have been in America learning to become a wealthy man - he probably wasn't even aware of the Springbok tour of NZ!

Nah. He was in his first post Uni job as an auditor for the company which is now part of Delloites. Counting other people's money at that stage.

As you say though ... he didn't follow rugby so perhaps he didn't have an opinion.

[ellipsis]

Nah. He was in his first post Uni job as an auditor for the company which is now part of Delloites. Counting other people's money at that stage.

As you say though ... he didn't follow rugby so perhaps he didn't have an opinion.

...It was a big thing worldwide, I was in the UK then and it was big on the news over there...he would have to have been in a coma to not remember or be aware of some of the biggest shit to hit NZ for many years...he's just a gutless, wimp, liar...but then again, we know that...oops, mixing sport with politics, sorry...

[husaberg]

Nah. He was in his first post Uni job as an auditor for the company which is now part of Delloites. Counting other people's money at that stage.

As you say though ... he didn't follow rugby so perhaps he didn't have an opinion.

Then he was a exchange trader here
I will post a video. 1987
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[oldrider]

Horses for courses - John Key was good at that job - (respect!) - does not automatically make him suitable for prime minister or anything else for that matter! :oi-grr:

Men shall be remembered for what they do rather than what they say - he (John Key) did say he would reverse the immigration trends during his term of office!

Listening to radio (whilst travelling) the other day I think they were trying to say that that has happened - should John Key take a bow? :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

Horses for courses - John Key was good at that job - (respect!) - does not automatically make him suitable for prime minister or anything else for that matter! :oi-grr:

Men shall be remembered for what they do rather than what they say - he (John Key) did say he would reverse the immigration trends during his term of office!

Listening to radio (whilst travelling) the other day I think they were trying to say that that has happened - should John Key take a bow? :rolleyes:

There is a real great john key quote from back then about how well he was doing.
I don't know if I will be able to find it. but when he was asked what he felt about I think corporate raiders destroying companies his reply was along the lines of, well i'm I am doing great out of it.

[jasonu]

Nah. He was in his first post Uni job as an auditor for the company which is now part of Delloites. Counting other people's money at that stage.

As you say though ... he didn't follow rugby so perhaps he didn't have an opinion.

Or, like me now, he didn't give a fuck. (but he can't really admit to that can he?)