Short & sweet summary of the hypocrisy of Syrian situation

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://muricatoday.com/assad-media-trump-pawns-deep-state/

[Crasherfromwayback]

Take the time to read this.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-revolutionary-act-of-telling-the-truth

[Katman]

Take the time to read this.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-revolutionary-act-of-telling-the-truth

And the book is free to read online.

https://archive.org/details/WikiLeaksTheWikiLeaksFilesTheWorldAccordingToUSEmp ire

[Zedder]

Take the time to read this.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-revolutionary-act-of-telling-the-truth


Your post reminded me of the time when he had a go at that twit Kim Hill, in a 2003 interview, for not preparing and wasting his time.

[Brian d marge]

Your post reminded me of the time when he had a go at that twit Kim Hill, in a 2003 interview, for not preparing and wasting his time.
I missed that one , that would have been gold

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[Zedder]

I missed that one , that would have been gold

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It was great.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not Syria...but yeah...

http://theantimedia.org/iran-honest-reaction-trump-saudi/

[oldrider]

A 50-Year Occupation: Israel’s Six-Day War Started With a Lie? - https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/a-50-year-occupation-israels-six-day-war-started-with-a-lie/ :corn:

[Brian d marge]

A 50-Year Occupation: Israel’s Six-Day War Started With a Lie? - https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/a-50-year-occupation-israels-six-day-war-started-with-a-lie/ :corn:

They will be coming for you they will........

Daniel Patrick Moynihan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Patrick_Moynihan), the United States ambassador to the United Nations, warned that, "The United Nations is about to make anti-Semitism international law."[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#ci te_note-8) He delivered a speech against the resolution, including the famous line, "[The United States] does not acknowledge, it will not abide by, it will never acquiesce in this infamous act … A great evil has been loosed upon the world."[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#ci te_note-9)

this is from ......

United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) General Assembly Resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_P alestine) 3379, adopted on November 10, 1975 by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), "determine[d] that Zionism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism) is a form of racism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism) and racial discrimination". The vote took place approximately one year after UNGA 3237 granted the PLO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization) "observer status", following PLO president Yasser Arafat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat)'s "olive branch" speech to the General Assembly in November 1974. The resolution was passed with the support of the Soviet bloc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_bloc) and other then Soviet-aligned nations, in addition to the Arab and Muslim majority countries.
The determination that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination", contained in the resolution, was revoked in 1991 with UN General Assembly Resolution 46/86 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_46/86).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#ci te_note-NYT:_U.N._Repeals_Its_.2775_Resolution_Equating_Zi onism_With_Racism-1)



it interesting to note who was for and who was against , AND who was for revocation....... hang ur head in shame NZ ( bought and paid for thought the neocon Nazis )

United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) General Assembly Resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution) 46/86, adopted on 16 December 1991, revoked the determination in Resolution 3379, which had called Zionism a form of racism.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#ci te_note-NYT:_U.N._Repeals_Its_.2775_Resolution_Equating_Zi onism_With_Racism-1) Israel had made revocation of Resolution 3379 a condition of its participation in the Madrid Peace Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Conference_of_1991), in progress in the last quarter of 1991.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#ci te_note-14)
The resolution was raised under pressure from the administration of US President George H.W. Bush (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush).[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#ci te_note-presidency.ucsb.edu-15) The text of the revocation was simply:
"The General Assembly Decides to revoke the determination contained in its resolution 3379 (XXX) of 10 November 1975."
The motion was supported by 111 (including the 90 nations who sponsored the resolution), opposed by 25 nations and abstained by 13 nations.
Voting record for Resolution 46/86

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/UNGA_4686_Map.png/300px-UNGA_4686_Map.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UNGA_4686_Map.png)


Voting record


Sponsored by: Albania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania), Antigua and Barbuda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigua_and_Barbuda), Argentina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina), Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), Austria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria), Bahamas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahamas), Barbados (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados), Byelorussian SSR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byelorussian_SSR), Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium), Belize (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize), Bolivia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia), Brazil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil), Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria), Burundi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burundi), Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), Central African Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_African_Republic), Chile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile), Colombia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia), Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica), Cyprus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus), Czechoslovakia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia), Denmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark), Dominica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica), Dominican Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic), Ecuador (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuador), El Salvador (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador), Estonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia), Federal States of Micronesia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_States_of_Micronesia), Finland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland), France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), Gambia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambia), Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany), Greece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece), Grenada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada), Guatemala (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala), Guyana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana), Honduras (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honduras), Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), Iceland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland), Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland), Israel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy), Jamaica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica), Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), Latvia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia), Liberia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia), Liechtenstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein), Lithuania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania), Luxembourg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg), Madagascar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar), Malta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta), Moldovan SSR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_SSR), Marshall Islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Islands), Malawi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malawi), Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico), Mongolia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia), Mozambique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique), Netherlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands), New Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), Nicaragua (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua), Norway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway), Panama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama), Papua New Guinea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_New_Guinea), Paraguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay), Peru (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru), Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland), Portugal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal), South Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea), Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania), Rwanda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda), Saint Lucia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucia), Saint Kitts and Nevis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Vincent_and_the_Grenadines), Samoa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoa), Sierra Leone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Leone), Singapore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore), Solomon Islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands), Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain), Suriname (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suriname), Swaziland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland), Sweden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden), Ukrainian SSR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_SSR), Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union), United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Uruguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay), Venezuela (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela), Yugoslavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia), Zaire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaire) (D.R. Congo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.R._Congo)), Zambia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambia).
In favour: (111) The sponsoring nations listed above, and additionally: Benin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin), Bhutan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan), Botswana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana), Cambodia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia), Cameroon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon), Cape Verde (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Verde), Republic of the Congo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Congo), Ivory Coast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_Coast) (C'ote D'ivoire), Fiji (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji), Gabon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabon), Haiti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti), India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), Kenya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya), Lesotho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesotho), Madagascar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar), Namibia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia), Nepal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal), Nigeria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria), Philippines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines), São Tomé and Príncipe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%ADncipe), Seychelles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seychelles), Thailand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand), Togo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo).
Against: (25) Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), Algeria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria), Bangladesh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh), Brunei (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei), Cuba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba), North Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea), Indonesia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia), Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), Iraq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), Jordan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan), Lebanon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), Libya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya), Malaysia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia), Mali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali), Mauritania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania), Pakistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), Qatar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar), Saudi Arabia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), Somalia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia), Sri Lanka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka), Sudan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan), Syria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria), United Arab Emirates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates), Vietnam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam), Yemen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen).
Abstaining: (13) Angola (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola), Burkina Faso (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkina_Faso), Ethiopia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia), Ghana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana), Laos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_People%27s_Democratic_Republic), Maldives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives), Mauritius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius), Myanmar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar), Trinidad and Tobago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_and_Tobago), Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey), Uganda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda), Tanzania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Republic_of_Tanzania), Zimbabwe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe).
Absent: (15) Bahrain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain), Chad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad), People's Republic of China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China), Comoros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros), Djibouti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djibouti), Egypt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Guinea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea), Guinea-Bissau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau), Kuwait (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait), Morocco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco), Niger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger), Oman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman), Senegal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegal), South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa), Tunisia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia), Vanuatu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanuatu).


btw 3379 adds to ..... 3+3+7+9................................... " 22" ........... just sayin thats all.............

[oldrider]

Marking Six Day War anniversary, UN chief calls for Palestinian state http://www.timesofisrael.com/marking-six-day-war-anniversary-un-chief-calls-for-palestinian-state/ :shifty:

[oldrider]

Trump Taking U.S. to War In Syria To Avert Economic Disaster:- (Making America Great Again?) http://csglobe.com/trump-syria-avert-economic-disaster/ :corn:

Watch this very closely - see just who ends up fighting who and for what in Syria? :shifty:

[oldrider]

The US removed two aircraft carrier off the coast of the DPRK:- https://rusreality.com/2017/06/06/the-us-removed-two-aircraft-carrier-off-the-coast-of-the-dprk/ :rolleyes: Where ever did they go? :scratch:

[Katman]

The stench of U.S. hypocrisy.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zFk2BjE0F20" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Katman]

Seriously, you couldn't make this shit up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-qatar-weapons-deal-12-billion-day-accuse-terrorism-saudi-arabiaqatar-signs-loa-for-the-a7790956.html

[oldrider]

7 Secrets about the World – Revealed through Syrian War: http://www.activistpost.com/2017/06/7-secrets-world-revealed-syrian-war.html?utm_source=Activist+Post+Subscribers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=df97933f36-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_b0c7fb76bd-df97933f36-388143229 Interesting? :corn:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Impending false flag gas attack by the US and its proxies coming soon so they can have an excuse to attack the Syrians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu6Uk_1NVQY

[Voltaire]

Are Tomahawk sales down?

They don't seem to do much though...

[oldrider]

How did the western alliance know Assad's plan???? - https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/880056823545421824/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :whistle::nya: FFS It's like the American comics!

[oldrider]

Israel Pushes Russia and US Toward Nuclear Confrontation Over Syria!

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[oldrider]

I realise that I am wasting my time posting this on KB but just in case one person reads and understands the gravity of the Syrian situation it is worth it!

Why the West Will Not and Cannot Let Syria Live in Peace: http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-west-will-not-and-cannot-let-syria-live-in-peace/5596643?platform=hootsuite

[Brian d marge]

I realise that I am wasting my time posting this on KB but just in case one person reads and understands the gravity of the Syrian situation it is worth it!

Why the West Will Not and Cannot Let Syria Live in Peace: http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-west-will-not-and-cannot-let-syria-live-in-peace/5596643?platform=hootsuite
The basic tenor of the article is ok but it's lazy to blame the neo cons
yes they are the face of " the want for war" but that's it , just the face.
A diversion from the real problem

as for central banks what about China ?

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[Katman]

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web

[oldrider]

Read watch and decide for yourself, you are still allowed to do that, even in New Zealand. :shifty:

Trump Is Unmasked: 14 Reasons Why the Syria Airstrikes Were a Really Bad Idea: https://jamesperloff.com/2017/04/19/trump-is-unmasked-14-reasons-why-the-syria-airstrikes-were-a-really-bad-idea/ :facepalm:

[Katman]

Fake news?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3lHYlzduqcI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[oldrider]

Syria (practically forgotten by the news) today? https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/why-are-syrian-refugees-running-back-to-this-evil-dictator-who-likes-to-kill-them-d9ebdb1581c9 Give it time and the truth will out! :niceone:

[Viking01]

An interesting article on possible US action in both Iraq and Syria in the future:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/exxonmobil-kochs-israel-pushing-washington-to-partition-iraq-and-syria/5605154

And now that Trump has announced that US troop numbers (or their paid mercenaries)
in Afghanistan are to be increased in the near future, another article as to why
the US is interested in remaining there as well:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

It seems that the promotion of democracy might not have been their primary interest
after all.

Cheers,
Viking

[oldrider]

Media Silent as Syrian Forces Finally Defeat ISIS, Finding Cache of Made In USA Weapons http://thefreethoughtproject.com/syrian-forces-defeat-isis-weapons-found/

[Quote]As the terrorist group that once dominated mainstream media headlines for its ruthless attacks suffers a series of major defeats, there are still countless legitimate questions about why the group has been given access to U.S. weapons and equipment, why the lines seemed to be blurred between ISIS and SDF fighters, and why the United States continues to arm the Syrian Democratic forces under the radar.[Unquote]

Who again is it that are the real world terrorists? :rolleyes: - Time to wake up world! :brick:

[oldrider]

Who does America really serve? :scratch:

ISIS survives because the US will not unite with Russia to destroy it http://theduran.com/isis-survives-dangerous-us-cannot-unite-russia-destroy/

[oldrider]

BREAKING: Russia Will Take Down Any American Airplane or Rocket Targeting Syrian Army (Video) http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-ww3-russia-will-take-down-any-american-airplane-or-rocket-targeting-syrian-army/ri16857 Things are getting testy! :corn:

[Brian d marge]

BREAKING: Russia Will Take Down Any American Airplane or Rocket Targeting Syrian Army (Video) http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-ww3-russia-will-take-down-any-american-airplane-or-rocket-targeting-syrian-army/ri16857 Things are getting testy! :corn:Smoke and mirrors atm,. Good game well played by north Korea. So the phycopaths have to look elsewhere. Tumors under attack from within and is appeasing the Zionist lobby.
I think countries smell blood or the stench of a collapsing America.
It's going to be interesting

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[oldrider]

The Untold Story of John Bolton’s Campaign for War With Iran http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-a-john-bolton-appointment-is-scarier-than-you-think-mcmaster-trump/ - Surprise Trump selection? :oi-grr:

Man for the job? http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-madman-on-the-national-security-council/

Further US hypocrisy: http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970102000879

And finally the real John Bolton should be standing up tall for all to see by now? http://www.itv.com/news/2018-03-23/john-bolton-trump-gamble/ is he a good look for the future peace of the world? :corn:

[oldrider]

Syrian War Report – April 9, 2018: Another ‘Chemical Attack’ Story Triggers Escalation In Region https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-april-9-2018-another-chemical-attack-story-triggers-escalation-in-region/ - :brick:

Trump desperate :yes: - get that war going or get fired? :bye: .................. :bash: (whatever that may mean?)

[Katman]

Well it appears one of the recent developments is that Russia wants to send military police into Douma to protect OPCW officials in an investigation of the chemical attack - but America is having none of that.

One could ask "have they something to hide"?

[oldrider]

Well it appears one of the recent developments is that Russia wants to send military police into Douma to protect OPCW officials in an investigation of the chemical attack - but America is having none of that.

One could ask "have they something to hide"?

Everything the West needs for a war in Syria and Iran is there ready to go except a "valid?" reason to start it! (Must really piss Israel off!) :rofl:

Like it used to be in the old school yard? - Sooner or later one will push too hard and will be all on or a teacher will come along and break it up - or the bell will go and they can all go home! :calm:

[oldrider]

Syrian War Report – April 12, 2018: Russia Starts Exercises Off Syrian Coast, Vows Response To US Strikes http://thesaker.is/russia-starts-exercises-off-syrian-coast-vows-response-to-us-strikes/

[Crasherfromwayback]

How's this fuckhead? Fucking clown.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/103108258/us-decides-on-syria-strike--reports

[jasonu]

How's this fuckhead? Fucking clown.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/103108258/us-decides-on-syria-strike--reports

Do you think the tooth fairy will lend a hand?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do you think the tooth fairy will lend a hand?

Best you actually put your brain in gear mate.

[Katman]

And the Zionists Greater Israel plan takes one step closer to fruition.

[jasonu]

Best you actually put your brain in gear mate.

I was going to say the same to you.
I was just now watching the press conference.
Sounds like the Poms and the Frogs contributed.
The word is it is a one and done strike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was going to say the same to you.
I was just now watching the press conference.
Sounds like the Poms and the Frogs contributed.
The word is it is a one and done strike.

Fuck me you're easily fooled. And the Poms and Frogs wonder why cunts run them over in the streets.

[Swoop]

Some upset Russians and their fanbois.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

I guess sitting down and accepting chemical attacks is the best policy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I guess sitting down and accepting chemical attacks is the best policy.

I reckon it'd be best to actually find out who did it first! But nah. Lets fuck them up no matter who was behind it! That'll help world peace. And you consider yourself *intelligent*? :crazy:

[Katman]

And you consider yourself *intelligent*?

He'd be the only one to.

[Murray]

the Poms and Frogs wonder why cunts run them over in the streets.


you consider yourself *intelligent*? :crazy:

Pot & Kettle

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pot & Kettle

Fuck off and eat a dick, Knobjob. Some cunt stole my mates motorcycle. I think it was you. I have no proof but...so I'm gonna cut your hands off. Good with you? Fucking docile cunt. Hope you've had the snip.

[Murray]

Fuck off and eat a dick, Knobjob. Some cunt stole my mates motorcycle. I think it was you. I have no proof but...so I'm gonna cut your hands off. Good with you? Fucking docile cunt. Hope you've had the snip.


And you consider yourself *intelligent*? :crazy:

Who's intelligent? Need say no more!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who's intelligent? Need say no more!

Well, obviously not you. You think we should risk WWIII due to *thinking* Assad gassed his own people. Despite there being absolutely no proof he did so, nor decent reason for him doing so.

Nice work Einstein.

Wear a helmet when you ride motorcycles. Head injuries are permanent. That, or your parents were siblings.

[husaberg]

Well, obviously not you. You think we should risk WWIII due to *thinking* Assad gassed his own people. Despite there being absolutely no proof he did so, nor decent reason for him doing so.

Nice work Einstein.

Wear a helmet when you ride motorcycles. Head injuries are permanent. That, or your parents were siblings.
Nor any decent reason or proof really.....how about he has them and those were the same ones that were previously used.
Or the eye witness accounts of the chlorine drums being throw out of Helicopters as its only the Syrians that have helicopters......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Syrian_Civil_War_barrel_bomb_attacks


Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War) has been confirmed by the United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#ci te_note-1) Deadly attacks during the war included the Ghouta attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta_chemical_attack) in the suburbs of Damascus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus) in August 2013 and the Khan al-Assal attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_al-Assal_chemical_attack) in the suburbs of Aleppo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo) in March 2013. While no party took responsibility for the chemical attacks, the Syrian Ba'athist military (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces) was seen as main suspect, due to a large arsenal of such weapons. A U.N. fact-finding mission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Th e_UN_mission_to_investigate_alleged_use_of_chemica l_weapons) and a UNHRC Commission of Inquiry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Th e_UNHRC_commission_of_inquiry) have simultaneously investigated the attacks. The U.N. mission found likely use of the nerve agent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent) sarin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin) in the case of Khan al-Assal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_al-Assal) (19 March 2013), Saraqib (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraqib) (29 April 2013), Ghouta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta) (21 August 2013), Jobar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobar) (24 August 2013) and Ashrafiyat Sahnaya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashrafiyat_Sahnaya) (25 August 2013). The UNHRC commission later confirmed the use of sarin in the Khan al-Asal, Saraqib and Ghouta attacks, but did not mention the Jobar and the Ashrafiyat Sahnaya attacks. The UNHRC commission also found that the sarin used in the Khan al-Asal attack bore "the same unique hallmarks" as the sarin used in the Ghouta attack and indicated that the perpetrators likely had access to chemicals from the Syrian Army's stockpile. Those attacks prompted the international community to pressure disarmament of the Syrian Armed Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces) from chemical weapons, which was supposedly executed during 2014. Despite the disarmament process, dozens of incidents with suspected use of chemical weapons followed throughout Syria, mainly blamed on Syrian Ba'athist forces, as well as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant) and even on Syrian opposition forces and Turkish Armed Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Armed_Forces).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#ci te_note-chemical-2)


In August 2016, a report[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#ci te_note-JIM3-3) by the United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) and the OPCW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_for_the_Prohibition_of_Chemical_Weapo ns) explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine) bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015

[scumdog]

And the Zionists Greater Israel plan takes one step closer to fruition.


About time too....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nor any decent reason or proof really.....how about he has them and those were the same ones that were previously used.
Or the eye witness accounts of the chlorine drums being throw out of Helicopters as its only the Syrians that have helicopters......
]

You and Murray will make a great couple.

[husaberg]

You and Murray will make a great couple.

Well did you actually read what I posted because it clearly contradicts what you stated as being facts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well did you actually read what I posted because it clearly contradicts what you stated as being facts.

Sorry. Which facts were they I stated?

[husaberg]

Sorry. Which facts were they I stated?

You wrote no facts Pete, because as I pointed out all that you wrote was clearly wrong.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well did you actually read what I posted because it clearly contradicts what you stated as being facts.


You wrote no facts Pete, because as I pointed out all that you wrote was clearly wrong.

Sorry? I'm struggling with your posts. It would seem like you're talking utter shit?

[husaberg]

Sorry? I'm struggling with your posts. It would seem like you're talking utter shit?

I could see why you were confused, you thought there was never any evidence of Assad using Nerve gas or killing his own people.


Well, obviously not you. You think we should risk WWIII due to *thinking* Assad gassed his own people. Despite there being absolutely no proof he did so, nor decent reason for him doing so.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I could see why you were confused, you thought there was never any evidence of Assad using Nerve gas or killing his own people.


I said proof, not evidence. Did I not? So can you show me the facts I stated again?

[husaberg]

I said proof, not evidence. Did I not? So can you show me the facts I stated again?
Like i said you stated no facts because what you said was very clearly wrong, unless of course you fancy yourself to be a greater expert than the OPCN.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well did you actually read what I posted because it clearly contradicts what you stated as being facts.


Like i said you stated no fact because what you said was very clearly wrong, unless of course you fancy yourself to be a greater expert than the OPCN.

Ummmmm...there's something wrong with your brain?

[husaberg]

Ummmmm...there's something wrong with your brain?
I am not the one stating that there is no evidence that Assad has used Chemical weapons.
When there is clear evidence that he is the only one that could have seeing that the nerve agent could have only came from his stockpile as verified by actual experts, rather than "Petes opinion" that was likely formed soley from reading crap that katman and oldie post.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I am not the one stating that there is no evidence that Assad has used Chemical weapons.
When there is clear evidence that he is the only one that could have seeing that the nerve agent could have only came from his stockpile as verified by actual experts, rather than "Petes opinion" that was likely formed soley from reading crap that katman and oldie post.

Can you please show us the *clear evidence*? And can you show us the actual experts claims? Seems a bit odd they won't let anyone else look into it eh?

Hey Glenn. A good mate of mine, says you've been perving at his 12 year old daughter. You should be stoned to death, fuck evidence to the contrary right? Why wait? Lets do it now!!!!

[husaberg]

Can you please show us the *clear evidence*? And can you show us the actual experts claims? Seems a bit odd they won't let anyone else look into it eh?

Hey Glenn. A good mate of mine, says you've been perving at his 12 year old daughter. You should be stoned to death, fuck evidence to the contrary right? Why wait? Lets do it now!!!!
Pete instead of further proving yourself to be a child, why not go back and actually read what was posted to back up what i claimed. its surrounded by quote marks.
Then show everyone here proof of what you posted was not pulled out of you rectum, just for a laugh
Unless of course you think you know better than the independant chemical weapons experts.


https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176336-Short-amp-sweet-summary-of-the-hypocrisy-of-Syrian-situation?p=1131093891#post1131093891


Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War)
has been confirmed by the United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)Deadly attacks during the war included the Ghouta attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta_chemical_attack)in the suburbs of Damascus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus)
in August 2013 and the Khan al-Assal attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_al-Assal_chemical_attack)in the suburbs of Aleppo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo)in March 2013. While no party took responsibility for the chemical attacks, the Syrian Ba'athist military (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces)was seen as main suspect, due to a large arsenal of such weapons. A U.N. fact-finding mission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Th e_UN_mission_to_investigate_alleged_use_of_chemica l_weapons)and a UNHRC Commission of Inquiry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Th e_UNHRC_commission_of_inquiry) have simultaneously investigated the attacks. The U.N. mission found likely use of the nerve agent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent)sarin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin)in the case of Khan al-Assal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_al-Assal)(19 March 2013), Saraqib (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraqib) (29 April 2013), Ghouta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta)(21 August 2013), Jobar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobar)(24 August 2013) and Ashrafiyat Sahnaya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashrafiyat_Sahnaya)(25 August 2013). The UNHRC commission later confirmed the use of sarin in the Khan al-Asal, Saraqib and Ghouta attacks, but did not mention the Jobar and the Ashrafiyat Sahnaya attacks. The UNHRC commission also found that the sarin used in the Khan al-Asal attack bore "the same unique hallmarks" as the sarin used in the Ghouta attack and indicated that the perpetrators likely had access to chemicals from the Syrian Army's stockpile. Those attacks prompted the international community to pressure disarmament of the Syrian Armed Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces)from chemical weapons, which was supposedly executed during 2014.



In August 2016, a report
by the United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)and the OPCW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_for_the_Prohibition_of_Chemical_Weapo ns)explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad)for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine)bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015
https://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2016/738

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete instead of further proving you a a child

I know right? I'm a a going to bed now Glenn a a.

[jasonu]

Sorry. Which facts were they I stated?

You are correct when you say you didn't state any facts.
What you did do was assume it is all BS because you saw Trumps name in the headline (and there is a lot of that going around).

[jasonu]

Can you please show us the *clear evidence*? And can you show us the actual experts claims? Seems a bit odd they won't let anyone else look into it eh?
!!

This looks reasonably clear or maybe they are a bunch of CIA liars.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39500947

[Katman]

Unless of course you think you know better than the independant chemical weapons experts.

The Secratary of Defense James Mattis has recently said that America still has no proof that Assad was responsible for the 2017 chemical attack.

Do you think you know better than he does?

[husaberg]

The Secratary of Defense James Mattis has recently said that America still has no proof that Assad was responsible for the 2017 chemical attack.

Do you think you know better than he does?
Interesting because neither Pete or I never specified that attack. :weird:
It sounds like you wish to cherry pick information.
I know the UN and OPCW do know better than both you and Pete though about the use of chemical weapons by Assad regime.
I also know Assad claimed to not have them until it was proved he did I also know Assad has refused to allow OPCW access to their flight data.
I also know that Assads regimes explanations of most of the attacks are not plausible

[Katman]

So if America was happy to launch a retaliatory strike in 2017 for an attack that they have no proof of who the perpetrator was, and they launch another retaliatory strike in 2018 for yet another attack that they have no proof on, do you see a pattern starting to form here?

[husaberg]

So if America was happy to launch a retaliatory strike in 2017 for an attack that they have no proof of who the perpetrator was, and they launch another retaliatory strike in 2018 for yet another attack that they have no proof on, do you see a pattern starting to form here?
Yes you are so keen to change the frame work of an argument that didn't even involve you at all, as its pretty clear that the Assad regime has previously used actually chemical weapons in Syria which was the basis of my challenge of the statement Pete had made.
Your reasons for doing so likely revolve around your constant paranoid delusions that Russia is great and the USA is some kind of "evil empire" deeply involved in some sort of "Jewish plot" to rule the world.
This is liked why you never criticise Russian or any terrorists yourself.
That said Trumps a paranoid narcissistic idiot (much like yourself) ,only he's better educated and successful of course. Who should never have been put in charge of a nuclear arsenal or the most powerful military in the world, much the same as Putin never should have been either.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes you are so keen to change the frame work of an argument that didn't even involve you at all, as its pretty clear that the Assad regime has previously used actually chemical weapons in Syria which was the basis of my challenge of the statement Pete had made.


I'm still waiting to see that statement.

[husaberg]

I'm still waiting to see that statement.
are you.....
I already replied more than once
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176336-Short-amp-sweet-summary-of-the-hypocrisy-of-Syrian-situation?p=1131093910#post1131093910

Well, obviously not you. You think we should risk WWIII due to *thinking* Assad gassed his own people. Despite there being absolutely no proof he did so, nor decent reason for him doing so.

Nice work Einstein.

Wear a helmet when you ride motorcycles. Head injuries are permanent. That, or your parents were siblings.
What you presented was your opinion only you presented it was if it was a fact.
Maybe you need to consider why it is the UN security councils plan that was endorsed by all of the other Arab nations for a UN presence to enforce a ceasefire was vetoed by Russia if all they want is peace as they claim.
https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/russia-warns-of-veto-on-arab-league-peace-plan-1.381845
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria/anger-after-russia-china-block-u-n-action-on-syria-idUSTRE80S08620120205
http://islam.ru/en/content/story/fears-civil-war-syria-after-peace-plan-vetoed
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/02/28/un-resolution-syria/98518510/
Could the reason be that Syrian Government that Russia props up houses their only military base outside the Former USSR.
Also why would it be that even that so many the ISil fighters are actually from Russia and the former USSR.

At least 9,000 people from the former Soviet Union — 4,000 from Russia and 5,000 from former republics — went to fight for ISIS or other extremist groups in Syria's civil war, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in February.

[Crasherfromwayback]

are you.....
I already replied more than once
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176336-Short-amp-sweet-summary-of-the-hypocrisy-of-Syrian-situation?p=1131093910#post1131093910

What you presented was your opinion only you presented it was if it was a fact.
.

Maybe you need to re-read post #307

[husaberg]

Maybe you need to re-read post #307
Why its not going to change what you wrote , In that was only your opinion that you were wrongly attempting to present to be a fact, when you had clearly just pulled the statement out of your arse.
If you are now going to play hide and seek about your statement you should consider what proof is.

the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
Just because you and Katman may have paranoid delusions that the world is run by some shadowy organisation of Jews may or may not have descended from shape shifting alien lizards, which precludes you from making reasonable considerations against the burden of proof ,doesn't actually excuse you.

[Katman]

Perhaps Russia should launch a retaliatory attack on the US for poisoning the people of Flint.

[Katman]

And does anyone really think that the US actually gives a fuck about a supposed 60 dead Syrian civilians while they're happily supplying Saudi Arabia with the weaponry needed to carry out a systematic genocide in Yemen?

[Katman]

And let's not forget that we're talking about the same US who happily condemned half a million children to death via the sanctions they imposed on Iraq.

[pritch]

Perhaps Russia should launch a retaliatory attack on the US for poisoning the people of Flint.

I've seen that before, but it's still funny in an absolutely tragic kind of way. The Governor has now cut the funding for the bottled water for the residents, so people are trying to fund raise for money for drinking water. The greatest nation on earth? Maybe, maybe not. :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you are now going to play hide and seek about your statement you should consider what proof is.

.

Is that the same *proof* that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That kind of proof, from the same kind of people? Oh yeah!! Hell yes, fire them rockets boys!!!

And how come people are being slaughtered in all corners of the world by madmen, and the Yanks don't intervene? Doesn't that strike you as somewhat *odd* if they're simply blasting Syria to teach them a lesson for killing 80 people was it? And you claim to be a clever cunt? Fuck yeah.

[husaberg]

Is that the same *proof* that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That kind of proof, from the same kind of people? Oh yeah!! Hell yes, fire them rockets boys!!!

And how come people are being slaughtered in all corners of the world by madmen, and the Yanks don't intervene? Doesn't that strike you as somewhat *odd* if they're simply blasting Syria to teach them a lesson for killing 80 people was it? And you claim to be a clever cunt? Fuck yeah.
It was proven the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ie Nerve Gas. Was that not mentioned on any of Steve and Oldies websites.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wmd

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was proven the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ie Nerve Gas. .

Big fucking deal. That all ya got? Fuck yeah. Nuke them!!!

[husaberg]

Big fucking deal. That all ya got? Fuck yeah. Nuke them!!!
Blows your stupid take on things out of the water though quite nicely.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Blows your stupid take on things out of the water though quite nicely.

Like fuck it does. Clown. And seeing as you think it's obviously a great idea to launch millions of dollars of rockets at them (rather than spend the money on some of the serious problems they have at home), tell me this? Just what do you think it might achieve? Even *if*, and it's most def still an if, despite your *facts*, just what do you think it will matter to Assad? Is it worth antagonising Russia over?

Just what do they (you) hope to see happen? Cause it's not like it's gonna stop him doing it again, if it's been him all the time is it now? :facepalm:

[husaberg]

Like fuck it does. Clown. :facepalm:
Lets see you make a big deal inferring Iraq did not have WMD.
I pointed out they clearly did, So instead of actually admitting you were clearly wrong. you pulled a Stevie and went on another rant.....;)

[george formby]

It was proven the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ie Nerve Gas. Was that not mentioned on any of Steve and Oldies websites.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wmd

Not wanting to butt in but thought I would mention a bit of history re Iraq, seeing as hypocrisy is in the thread title.

During the Iran / Iraq war, Britain supplied Iraq with chemical agents and technology to produce more. Mustard gas, mainly, IIRC. The tanks which Britain sold to Iraq and Iran were capable of firing gas shells. Once the Brits figured out which way they wanted the war to go they stopped supplying Iran with spare parts..

It was a filthy war which barely gets mentioned now but demonstrates exactly how we are miss-led and the deviousness which has continued unabated in the Middle East.

Quite convenient to use this as a pretense for another war a few years later.

[husaberg]

Not wanting to butt in but thought I would mention a bit of history re Iraq, seeing as hypocrisy is in the thread title.

During the Iran / Iraq war, Britain supplied Iraq with chemical agents and technology to produce more. Mustard gas, mainly, IIRC. The tanks which Britain sold to Iraq and Iran were capable of firing gas shells. Once the Brits figured out which way they wanted the war to go they stopped supplying Iran with spare parts..

It was a filthy war which barely gets mentioned now but demonstrates exactly how we are miss-led and the deviousness which has continued unabated in the Middle East.

Quite convenient to use this as a pretense for another war a few years later.
I agree entirely Also I am pretty sure the USA supplied him with them as well, as did Russia too at various times. A lot of the stockpiles, plus new Russian ones allegedly ended up in Syria. The thing is though, Sadam was ordered by the UN to destroy them, but he didn't. He also repeatidly failed to allow the UN weapons inspectors unrestricted access to his sites in what was a breach of the UN resolution.
It was his refusal to co-cooperate that I believe eventually sealed his fate.

[george formby]

I agree entirely Also I am pretty sure the USA supplied him with them as well, as did Russia too at various times. A lot of the stockpiles, plus new Russian ones allegedly ended up in Syria. The thing is though, Sadam was ordered by the UN to destroy them, but he didn't. He also repeatidly failed to allow the UN weapons inspectors unrestricted access to his sites in what was a breach of the UN resolution.

That implies the UN was complicit or had the wool pulled over it's eyes. Maybe they were just fed up with him gassing his own people. Or not doing as he was told.

He was a fucker. Marsh Arabs were blamed for allowing arms to be smuggled through their waterways and marshes. Sadam brought in a load of generator trucks and electrified large areas of water, fried the poor buggers. Ultimately he resented their lack of obedience.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lets see you make a big deal inferring Iraq did not have WMD.
I pointed out they clearly did, So instead of actually admitting you were clearly wrong. you pulled a Stevie and went on another rant.....;)

Ah no. I simply said big fucking deal.You and I both know, that's not the weapons they were saying they had. They simply tried to save face, just as you do you when you've been found to be (again) talking utter shit.

[oldrider]

The new US concept of a “perfect” mission: 32 out of 103??? http://thesaker.is/the-new-us-concept-of-a-perfect-mission-32-out-of-103/ Really kick-arse? :kick:

[Quote] Yup, he said “mission accomplished“, “perfectly executed” and that he was “so proud” of his “great military“.

That considering that 71 out of 103 missiles were intercepted.
That there were no Syrian (or Iranian or Russian) fatalities.
That not a single airfield was hit.
That the buildings destroyed were empty.
That only Syrian air defense were used.
That Russian air defenses were completely bypassed.[Unquote]

[husaberg]

That implies the UN was complicit or had the wool pulled over it's eyes. Maybe they were just fed up with him gassing his own people. Or not doing as he was told.

He was a fucker. Marsh Arabs were blamed for allowing arms to be smuggled through their waterways and marshes. Sadam brought in a load of generator trucks and electrified large areas of water, fried the poor buggers. Ultimately he resented their lack of obedience.

No I don't believe there was any sort of complicit plan to oust him involving the UN. I just believe Saddam just didn't appreciate that his failure to comply the the UN resultions and Weapons inspectors would result in his destruction. He is said to have said so himself in an interview with his integrators, He thought it was all a bluff and no one would dare to attack Iraq. I guess that's what eventually happens if you are a dictator surrounded only by yes men.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The new US concept of a “perfect” mission: 32 out of 103??? B]

What do they cost per pop? Yeah, that'll show 'em!

[oldrider]

What do they cost per pop? Yeah, that'll show 'em!


U.S., U.K., France Conduct Massive Missile Strike On Syria: Details http://thesaker.is/u-s-u-k-france-conduct-massive-missile-strike-on-syria-details/ :corn:

[husaberg]

Is that the same *proof* that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That kind of proof, from the same kind of people?

It was proven the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ie Nerve Gas. Was that not mentioned on any of Steve and Oldies websites.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wmd

Big fucking deal.

Blows your stupid take on things out of the water though quite nicely.

Like fuck it does. Clown.

Lets see you make a big deal inferring Iraq did not have WMD.
I pointed out they clearly did, So instead of actually admitting you were clearly wrong. you pulled a Stevie and went on another rant.....;)

Ah no. I simply said big fucking deal.You and I both know, that's not the weapons they were saying they had. They simply tried to save face, just as you do you when you've been found to be (again) talking utter shit.
Only that's not was in the Resolution put to the UN though was it. Hint Unlike you I know what was in the UN Resolution that was adopted unanimously. So its you that's talking "utter shit."

On 12 September 2002, U.S. President (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) George W. Bush (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) addressed the General Assembly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly) and outlined a catalogue of complaints against the Iraqi government.These included:
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441


"In violation of Security Council (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council) Resolution 1373 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1373), Iraq supports terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments....And al-Qaida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaida) terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq."
The United Nations Commission on Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Commission_on_Human_Rights) in 2001 found "extremely grave" human rights violations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein%27s_Iraq)
Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
Iraq used proceeds from the "oil for food (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_for_food)" U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.

[oldrider]

EMERGENCY WARNING FROM THE SAKER http://thesaker.is/emergency-warning-from-the-saker/ :shifty:

[oldrider]

Trump Commits Another War Crime With Another Fireworks Display PR Stunt To Encourage The Jihadis & Prolong The War In Syria - http://ian56.blogspot.co.nz/2018/04/trump-commits-another-war-crime-with.html :scratch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Only that's not was in the Resolution put to the UN though was it. Hint Unlike you I know what was in the UN Resolution that was adopted unanimously. So its you that's talking "utter shit."

What a stalker! Seriously...how fucking long did you spend putting the together, after you first posted it? What an epic edit! Still waiting on the *proof* Assad did it. That, and what I asked regarding *outcomes*.

[husaberg]

What a stalker! Seriously...how fucking long did you spend putting the together, after you first posted it? What an epic edit! Still waiting on the *proof* Assad did it. That, and what I asked regarding *outcomes*.

There is a multiquote button Pete, its not rocket science to use it, given a hour or so, a chimp could be trained to use it.
Like I have said previously on multiple occasions. Do you sincerely believe you know more then the OPCW do.

In August 2016, a report by the United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)and the OPCW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_for_the_Prohibition_of_Chemical_Weapo ns) explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine)bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chemicalweapons-syria/u-n-opcw-inquiry-blames-syria-government-for-gas-attacks-likely-sanctions-fight-looms-idUSKCN10Z2KY
https://www.opcw.org/

[Crasherfromwayback]

, given a hour or so, a chimp could be trained to use it.
]

Obviously seeing as you can.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=431833357249616&set=a.220127285086892.1073741828.100012688655795&type=3&theater

[Voltaire]

The US, Poms and Frogs bomb some supposed gas making plants.....next day BAU with the slaughter.

As for the Russian saying they shot down 70 missiles with their Soviet era systems........thats if there was any missiles.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That naughty Assad. Got nothing at all to do with gas and oil. Oh hang on....that'll be why the US isn't spending 100 million bombing any other cunt that's committing mass murder!

https://www.facebook.com/CreativeSystemsThinking/posts/1261796453951287

[Voltaire]

That naughty Assad. Got nothing at all to do with gas and oil. Oh hang on....that'll be why the US isn't spending 100 million bombing any other cunt that's committing mass murder!

https://www.facebook.com/CreativeSystemsThinking/posts/1261796453951287

He's a cunt and deserves what he gets, however there are probably more like him to take over.

I don't think Syria has bugger all oil has it?

Hopefully God has not put all the lithium and other tech stuff in despot countries or the US will have to Liberate it.;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

He's a cunt and deserves what he gets, however there are probably more like him to take over.

I don't think Syria has bugger all oil has it?

Hopefully God has not put all the lithium and other tech stuff in despot countries or the US will have to Liberate it.;)

No two ways about him being a total cunt mate. It's worth checking out the links and clips in the FB link I posted. Some very interesting AlJazeera docos etc etc.

[Swoop]

It was proven the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ie Nerve Gas.
The Wikileaks papers had confirmation in them to that affect.


The new US concept of a “perfect” mission: 32 out of 103??? http://thesaker.is/the-new-us-concept-of-a-perfect-mission-32-out-of-103/

...that 71 out of 103 missiles were intercepted.

You might find that there were 70 missiles targeted at one of those facilities. The Russian missile systems didn't shoot down that many missiles (for several reasons), if any.
A simple "saturation attack" of defenses by cruise missiles and certainly implies that one site was wanted to be obliterated.
That website is a bit of a joke too, by the way.

[husaberg]

That naughty Assad. Got nothing at all to do with gas and oil. Oh hang on....that'll be why the US isn't spending 100 million bombing any other cunt that's committing mass murder!

https://www.facebook.com/CreativeSystemsThinking/posts/1261796453951287
You mean other than clearly obvious Afghanistan then do you......
https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-afghanistan-war-timeline-economic-impact-4122493


.
I don't think Syria has bugger all oil has it?

They don't only 31 on world rankings of proven reserves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves


The Wikileaks papers had confirmation in them to that affect..
Yeah its amazing that people never bothered to read the UN papers only the sensationalised crap that was on the news.


You might find that there were 70 missiles targeted at one of those facilities. The Russian missile systems didn't shoot down that many missiles (for several reasons), if any.
A simple "saturation attack" of defenses by cruise missiles and certainly implies that one site was wanted to be obliterated.
That website is a bit of a joke too, by the way.
Always makes me laugh how quick Oldie and co are such believers in propaganda. Goebbels would be so proud.
Its like the people that believed that the US patriots missiles were shooting down scud missiles left right and centre that were coming out of Iraq on mass.
Its pretty safe to predict that every scud missile that was actually shot down was shown on TV.
It would be a pretty flash system that can even direct a tiny cruise missile hugging the ground, let alone shoot one down.

[Voltaire]

No two ways about him being a total cunt mate. It's worth checking out the links and clips in the FB link I posted. Some very interesting AlJazeera docos etc etc.

I do watch Al Jazeera from time to time, they need new intro music and ditch the faux BBC staff.

The Middle East has been going on forever, I remember the PLO blowing up jets, Israel invading Lebanon..... there is is no answer as long as they all think their invisible friend is better than the other guys one.
But thats just a side show for the masses, its all about wealth and keeping it within the one percent.

" what did the Ottomans ever do for us"....

[husaberg]

I" what did the Ottomans ever do for us"....
A nice bit of furniture.....

[Swoop]

It would be a pretty flash system that can even direct a tiny cruise missile hugging the ground, let alone shoot one down.
The only thing that surprises me about the destroyed facilities, is that there hasn't been a sign pulled from the rubble saying (in English) "Baby Food Factory".
It was hilarious back in the first Gulf War and surely they'll try it again now? The fresh paint used on the sign makes it even funnier!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I do watch Al Jazeera from time to time, they need new intro music and ditch the faux BBC staff.

The Middle East has been going on forever, I remember the PLO blowing up jets, Israel invading Lebanon..... there is is no answer as long as they all think their invisible friend is better than the other guys one.
But thats just a side show for the masses, its all about wealth and keeping it within the one percent.

" what did the Ottomans ever do for us"....

Yep. Just stay the fuck out of there would be the best advice. But no, human greed etc etc.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A nice bit of furniture.....


The only thing that surprises me about the destroyed facilities, is that there hasn't been a sign pulled from the rubble saying (in English) "Baby Food Factory".
It was hilarious back in the first Gulf War and surely they'll try it again now? The fresh paint used on the sign makes it even funnier!

Do please watch this eh. Doubt you will though.

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[husaberg]

The only thing that surprises me about the destroyed facilities, is that there hasn't been a sign pulled from the rubble saying (in English) "Baby Food Factory".
It was hilarious back in the first Gulf War and surely they'll try it again now? The fresh paint used on the sign makes it even funnier!

Yet its odd that Syria never said bugger all when Israel bombed their nuclear reactor.
Then again Both Iran and Iraq were also a bit quiet on that as well. When the same happened to theirs.
Then again like chemical weapons factories the arabs do tend to pretend they don't exist.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Syrian_Reactor_Before_After.jpg

[oldrider]

NZ Kiwibikers collectively make sense of the Syrian situation?
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[Crasherfromwayback]

Always makes me laugh how quick Oldie and co are no believe propaganda. .

Yeah. I know right! I'm betting my RV90, that this cunt know's more than you. Mind you, so does the chimp.

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[oldrider]

Caught in a lie, US & allies bomb Syria the night before international inspectors arrive https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424186-us-allies-syria-lie/ :Oops: Too easy to work that one out? :bs:

[oldrider]

Senator Exposes Syrian WMD False Flag;

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[Crasherfromwayback]

Caught in a lie, US & allies bomb Syria the night before international inspectors arrive https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424186-us-allies-syria-lie/ :Oops: Too easy to work that one out? :bs:

Old Husa will choke on that one.

[oldrider]

Further choke material from a "learned informed person"?

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[Swoop]

Yep. Just stay the fuck out of there would be the best advice. But no, human greed etc etc.
An interesting point, especially when you look in the direction of Russia. What would they gain from all this? Oh yes:
#1. Sales and marketing. Testing new weapon systems is important as is adding the tagline "proven in combat". Quite convenient really.
#2: Looking after a valued customer. Well, a customer who pays and is looking for new products...

Have you noticed the involvement of the "new oligarchs" looking to increase their wealth in the region? Finally some mainstream exposure of the personal greed/wealth of the upper echelons of putin's circle being exposed as well. Gazprom probably has a nice involvement in the region.


Do please watch this eh. Doubt you will though.
No surprises there. "Ambassadors to like the grey area to reside in". Non-committal and without answers - he really is destined for a posting to the UN.
It is interesting that he uses the words to describe Assad as being "cruel and brutal". It would have been nice to see the interviewer ask some questions about his knowledge of Assad's previous actions and proclivities towards his "people". A nice insight though.;)


On the other hand:
We have a mid-term election coming up... Just like the re-election (uncontrollable laughter there...) of Putin...
Both like to get a bit of coverage to entice the voters.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh yeah...............

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[oldrider]

None of US & allied missiles entered Russian anti-air defense zones – Defense Ministry https://www.rt.com/news/424099-syria-missiles-russian-zones/ Are they really all just a single united entity? :rolleyes:

Are we just being played along as sucker bait for a giant NWO deception? :baby: - I guess only time will reveal that truth? :wait:

[Swoop]

Since we are apparently playing picture games now.
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[oldrider]

Since we are apparently playing picture games now.
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Good post. :first: IMHO.

[oldrider]

So who "is" telling porkies??
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[oldrider]

Western values in a nutshell? https://twitter.com/StephenBottrill/status/985880346909650944/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :Oops: Her slip is showing!

[oldrider]

BREAKING: British journalist who visited Douma, Syria today says there was NO chemical attack http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-british-journalist-who-visited-douma-syria-today-says-there-was-no-chemical-attack/ It just keeps on giving - :facepalm:

[oldrider]

Proof needed of how controlled the MSM is? - maybe this will help! :blip::blip:

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Taken from this link: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=168749

[Katman]

BREAKING: British journalist who visited Douma, Syria today says there was NO chemical attack http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-british-journalist-who-visited-douma-syria-today-says-there-was-no-chemical-attack/ It just keeps on giving - :facepalm:

It's hilarious to see the lengths some people are now going to in their efforts to discredit Robert Fisk.

Husaberk should be along soon to add his own special little mix of poison.

[oldrider]

Worth a listen? he makes the point very clearly (IMO?). https://www.trunews.com/stream/when-will-russia-and-iran-retaliate-for-the-attack-on-syria

If Syria Russia Iran etc do not retaliate but (really) shore up their defences and simply get on with cleaning out the ISIS/ISIL??? menace from Syria the world might watch and judge accordingly?

The western alliance and their shady benefactors desperately need war! - To deny them of that outcome might really piss them off and expose them further for negative world judgement? :scratch:

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXd11o3gZs

[Crasherfromwayback]

[video=ydeo]


That cunt needs to stay off the crack pipe.

[TheDemonLord]

That cunt needs to stay off the crack pipe.

I dunno - his assessment of the situation as "They are all Cunts" - seems to be the most accurate statement I've seen across any media about this...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I dunno - his assessment of the situation as "They are all Cunts" - seems to be the most accurate statement I've seen across any media about this...

Some way more than others.

https://www.trunews.com/stream/when-will-russia-and-iran-retaliate-for-the-attack-on-syria

[Voltaire]

Looked like a nice day outside Westminster, used to ride past there daily from St Mary's Axe ( before the IRA blew it up) to Clapham.
The Plough in Wandsworth does a nice pint of Youngs Special.
Oh...and was he just pointing out the obvious with swearing?

Speaking of Pubs, the Republican Guard are probably trying to provoke Israel into a war with Hezbollah.

Gas attack.....I'm with Mr Fisk.

[oldrider]

Gas attack.....I'm with Mr Fisk. :niceone: at last - something to agree on! :drinkup:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gas attack.....I'm with Mr Fisk.

Hard not to be.

[Viking01]

https://russia-insider.com/en/major-fail-why-most-those-tomahawks-never-hit-their-targets-syria/ri23177

Gosh, I think that I'd be asking (no, insisting) upon a refund, based on
that success rate. Or doesn't the MIC (General Dynamics) do refunds if
the customer is not happy with the product?

And they certainly breed those Syrians tough. Them being able to wander
around a recently destroyed chemical weapons site without any protective
clothing, and not suffer any ill effects from residue. Obviously explains why
those White Helmets never need respirators, gloves or protective clothing.

I'll wait for the formal analysis and the report from the OPCW after they
have been able to safely enter and examine the "gas attack" area within
Douma, but again I'm doubtful that they will find any evidence of chemical
weapons.

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804171063648815-skripal-chemical-attack-denial/

And when you couple that with the findings on the Skripal product (being
identified as BZ - a product that the UK and US manufactured, but Russia
did not), well, it will not have been a great month for the western regimes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I notice old Husa has gone pretty quiet... funny that.

[husaberg]

I notice old Husa has gone pretty quiet... funny that.

Funny really.
Tell you what lets see exactly how clever you are at finding out stuff.
This post by Viking that you no doubt read mentions Igor Nikulin


https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804171063648815-skripal-chemical-attack-denial/
And when you couple that with the findings on the Skripal product (being
identified as BZ - a product that the UK and US manufactured, but Russia
did not), well, it will not have been a great month for the western regimes.

Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?
The Tell me who runs the source of that story about Igor Nikulin?
Then add for us all how many times the Russians have given conflicting accounts of the Sergei Skripal incidence?
Then explain why the story from the Russians keep changing?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funny really.
?

I'll give you your dues. Even when faced by evidence to the contrary (by multiple different creditable sources), you're happy to keep sticking your head up your own ass. Impressive stuff. Pity dumb cunts like you and Trump could lead us to WWIII. Maybe then, and only then, you'll be happy.

Stupid cunt.

[Katman]

Stupid cunt indeed.

[husaberg]

I'll give you your dues. Even when faced by evidence to the contrary (by multiple different creditable sources), you're happy to keep sticking your head up your own ass. Impressive stuff. Pity dumb cunts like you and Trump could lead us to WWIII. Maybe then, and only then, you'll be happy.

Stupid cunt.

Credible source you say? so how exactly did you draw the conclusion that Igor Nikulin was a credible souce?
I asked you a series of pretty simple questions ones that it should be very easy for you to answer, yet you don't?
If in your opinion I am so dumb and you believe you are so smart why is it you can't answer what is simple questions About the sorce of what you deem to be creditable information.



Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?
The Tell me who runs the source of that story about Igor Nikulin?
Then add for us all how many times the Russians have given conflicting accounts of the Sergei Skripal incidence?
Then explain why the story from the Russians keep changing?

[Crasherfromwayback]

so how exactly did you draw the conclusion that Igor Nikulin was a credible souce?
.

Sorry. Where did I ever say that? I was referring to the now dozens of creditable journos and people with actual brains that are coming out in force about the whole chemical attack by Assad as being total BS.

But carry on, Glenn. With the facts it's true of course. I just know *facts* is your fav word! Robert Fisk.... oh, he's only just been there! WTF would he know!!!

Stupid Cunt.

[husaberg]

Sorry. Where did I ever say that? I was referring to the now dozens of creditable journos and people with actual brains that are coming out in force about the whole chemical attack by Assad as being total BS.

But carry on, Glenn. With the facts it's true of course. I just know *facts* is your fav word! Robert Fisk.... oh, he's only just been there! WTF would he know!!!

Stupid Cunt.

I never once mentioned Robert Fisk.You are all over the place.
Just stick to the one subject at a time. We can get back to Syria after you answer the questions I asked you.
You keep saying I am stupid but you are not showing any evidence of a cohesive thought pattern.
I asked you a few simple questions, Why is it you cant answer any?


Tell you what lets see exactly how clever you are at finding out stuff.
This post by Viking that you no doubt read mentions Igor Nikulin


https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804171063648815-skripal-chemical-attack-denial/
And when you couple that with the findings on the Skripal product (being
identified as BZ - a product that the UK and US manufactured, but Russia
did not), well, it will not have been a great month for the western regimes.

Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?
The Tell me who runs the source of that story about Igor Nikulin?
Then add for us all how many times the Russians have given conflicting accounts of the Sergei Skripal incidence?
Then explain why the story from the Russians keep changing?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I never once mentioned Robert Fisk.You are all over the place.


You're the one all over the place, Glenn. Hardly surprising either. Your argument is collapsing by the post.

Brain Washed Stupid Cunt.

[husaberg]

You're the one all over the place, Glenn. Hardly surprising either. Your argument is collapsing by the post.

Brain Washed Stupid Cunt.
That is not really backed by reality. I have asked you the same question 4 times you have replied 3 times without any answer to what is pretty simple questions
Until you can answer what is very simple questions any claims that who can objectively analyse any information presented before you is clearly in doubt.
Its pretty simple, answer the questions I asked or admit you don't actually look at anything you read with any sort of objectivity.;)
Here is the questions again.

Funny really.
Tell you what lets see exactly how clever you are at finding out stuff.
This post by Viking that you no doubt read mentions Igor Nikulin


https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804171063648815-skripal-chemical-attack-denial/
And when you couple that with the findings on the Skripal product (being
identified as BZ - a product that the UK and US manufactured, but Russia
did not), well, it will not have been a great month for the western regimes.
Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?
The Tell me who runs the soure of that story about Igor Nikulin?
Then add for us all how many times the Russians have given conflicting accounts of the Sergei Skripal incidence?
Then explain why the story from the Russians keep changing?

[Crasherfromwayback]

That is not really backed by reality. n.

Lololololololololololololololololol.... sorry...run out of lololololololololool's.

Stupid Cunt.

[husaberg]

Lololololololololololololololololol.... sorry...run out of lololololololololool's.

Stupid Cunt.
Well, While you entertain yourself, I will just wait till you are able to answer the questions then.....

Funny really.
Tell you what lets see exactly how clever you are at finding out stuff.
This post by Viking that you no doubt read mentions Igor Nikulin


https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804171063648815-skripal-chemical-attack-denial/
And when you couple that with the findings on the Skripal product (being
identified as BZ - a product that the UK and US manufactured, but Russia
did not), well, it will not have been a great month for the western regimes.
Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?
The Tell me who runs the source of that story about Igor Nikulin?
Then add for us all how many times the Russians have given conflicting accounts of the Sergei Skripal incidence?
Then explain why the story from the Russians keep changing?

[Voltaire]

I bet Donald call people stupid cunts a lot.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Perhaps when he meets up with 'little rocket man' he can pop in and see Vlad.

I think it was Bertie Ahern who said something like " it took a while to get agreement as not everyone involved was invited to the table to talk"

[Katman]

Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?

Are you suggesting that an Olympic hammer thrower couldn't possibly have gone on to become a UN chemical weapons advisor?

What if there's more than one Igor Nikulin in the world?

[Viking01]

Morning.

I personally don't see any point in searching the personal background of
Igor Nikulin, as it is simply irrelevant to the discussion.

He was simply one of several commentators who pointed to the facts that:

1. The Skripal samples provided by the UK had been submitted to the OPCW,
and then on to the independent Swiss state lab Spiez for analysis. And
that the active agent found was BZ (not a Novichuk in sight);

and

2. That the symptoms reportedly experienced by the Skripals tallied well
with those expected of BZ poisoning.

Which were the salient points of the linked article.

I could have just as easily added a different link in my earlier post e.g.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-in-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not-russian/5636311

It would not have changed either the message or its accuracy.


I think your request to "answer your questions" is what you English call
a "red herring".

Though why you English call it "red herring" is beyond me. Our Danish
herring is not red.

This English language; it can be so difficult at times.


Cheers,
Viking

[Katman]

I think your request to "answer your questions" is what you English call a "red herring".

I think you under-estimate his capacity for sheer stupidity.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think you under-estimate his capacity for sheer stupidity.

Couldn't agree more. Despite Robert Fisk stating as a *fact*, there was no chemical attack, old Husa still won't believe it. Must be fucking hard living in a world where you can never, accept that you may be wrong.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well, While you entertain yourself, I will just wait till you are able to answer the questions then.....

I couldn't give a shit about that. What I do care about, is this. Stupid Cunt.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/mainstream-media-just-admitted-the-us-bombed-syria-with-no-proof-gas-attack-occured/

[Voltaire]

Morning.

I personally don't see any point in searching the personal background of
Igor Nikulin, as it is simply irrelevant to the discussion.

He was simply one of several commentators who pointed to the facts that:

1. The Skripal samples provided by the UK had been submitted to the OPCW,
and then on to the independent Swiss state lab Spiez for analysis. And
that the active agent found was BZ (not a Novichuk in sight);

and

2. That the symptoms reportedly experienced by the Skripals tallied well
with those expected of BZ poisoning.

Which were the salient points of the linked article.

I could have just as easily added a different link in my earlier post e.g.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-in-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not-russian/5636311

It would not have changed either the message or its accuracy.


I think your request to "answer your questions" is what you English call
a "red herring".

Though why you English call it "red herring" is beyond me. Our Danish
herring is not red.

This English language; it can be so difficult at times.


Cheers,
Viking

Red Herring is apparently an early version of Fake News :whistle:

It originated from a news story by English journalist William Cobbett, c. 1805, in which he claimed that as a boy he used a red herring (a cured and salted herring) to mislead hounds following a trail; the story served as an extended metaphor for the London press, which had earned Cobbett's ire by publishing false news

Appears it gets re invented every few years too.


Meaning a distraction or false trail, the expression “red herring” has been relatively commonly used for the last two centuries, and its origins do, in fact, begin with a rust-colored fish. However, until quite recently, the accepted origins of red herring were themselves a false trail.

The literal sense of a red herring dates to at least 1250 AD when Walter of Bibbesworth wrote in The Treatise, “He etep no ffyssh But Heryng red.” A product of the process used to preserve the fish into a kipper, the herring is cured in salt brine and then smoked for up to 10 days. If enough brine is used, the fish turns a red, coppery color with a rather strong smell. Capable of being stored for long periods of time, this dried kipper was inedible until after it was first soaked in water to remove the salt, and then it could be warmed and eaten.

A staple in English society, particularly among the poor, there would have been a fair amount of tough, dried red herring hanging about. And, given that they had a strong smell, it makes sense that their aroma would attract animals. Accordingly, in 1697, Nicholas Cox described just such a use in The Gentleman’s Recreation, where a red herring was supposedly dragged along a route to get a young puppy to learn to follow a trail.

Others expounded upon Cox’s idea and said that later in the training, while following a fox or badger, a red herring would be dragged perpendicular across the animal’s path to confuse the dog at first, but ultimately lead to a dog that could stick to an original scent as opposed to a compelling, intervening scent. This explanation was, for many years, accepted as the origin of using red herring to mean a false trail.

So this post is really a red herring too.

Klap lige hesten

[oldrider]

It might appear to some that we customarily have "two choices" presented to us to pick a side from in world events?

Israel/world finance and the Western alliances? versus Israel/world finance and the Eastern alliances? :scratch:

A and B fighting for the benefit of C - - Where C = Israel/world finance! - "By deception do war" ring any bells? :doh: - :wait: - Time, the great revealer?

[Viking01]

Red Herring is apparently an early version of Fake News :whistle:

Appears it gets re invented every few years too.

So this post is really a red herring too.

Klap lige hesten

Oh, very polite ! ..... 8-)

I realised after my last post that I hadn't answered your last question. About
the Russians "changing the narrative".

Thought I might start with a quote from Omar Khayyam.

"The moving finger writes, and having writ, moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
shall lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it"

Seems quite timeless. Especially under the current circumstances.

Think that we can say from the start of this whole Skripal drama, the "pen" has
been firmly in the claw of your UK political establishment and its ever obedient
media. Ably assisted by western European and US media, of course. [ Credit ]

So if the Russians have had to "keep changing their story", well, the obvious
answer is that it has been in response to the ever changing story-line provided
by the UK authorities.

You have to admit that this Skripal story has taken more twists and turns than
a good old detective thriller. And even now, we only really know the "what"
(not even the "who" or the "how") for certain.

I'm looking forward to the next episode in this saga. In a masochistic way.

No, don't tell me it is just about time to "change the public's focus" again ?
And start a whole new story ? I want to find out how the current one ends.

Anyway I'm not surprised that it has proven to be such an engaging story.
I hear MI6 have had a whole team working on it around the clock. Or was
that just more "fake news" ?

Personally, I think the MI6 staff are wasted - is that how you say it in English?

They should give up their Whitehall jobs and go write fiction full time. Not only
would they probably get paid much better - but they'd also be able to receive
full public acknowledgement of their creative talents. It must be quite soul
destroying.

And spare a thought for the staff at the Russian Foreign Ministry as well.
I don't envy them their job either. Coming in to work each day, having to
respond to the latest "UK provocation". [ OK, I admit it, I borrowed the last
part from TASS ]

While we're on the subject of Foreign Affairs, I have to let you into a little
secret. For quite a while, I honestly thought that Benny Hill was still the UK
Foreign Minister.

And it was only when this Skripal drama started that I realised that he had
been replaced by some-one called 'Boris'. [ That name's not Russian, is it ?
Another thing that MI6 had better look into ]

You think I'm joking ? Well, look at the two photos I've attached. Apart from
the hair colour (and the glasses), and the fact that (sadly) Benny is dead and
buried. Still, there's hope for Boris yet. Apart from that, they could have almost
been twins.

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They say "that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", and I see that the
French PM (Monsieur Macron) has being following Boris's lead, and has decided
to strut his stuff on the world stage as well.

Doing his Emperor Napoleon imitation. "Marching on Moscow" to "sort out Putin"
(and the rest of those other Russian barbarians).

At first I thought the press photos were of Sarkozy, but no, the press releases
definitely said "Macron" (and they wouldn't lie).

But it's so hard to tell the two of them apart. One is small, and he bombed a
country to depose a "dictator", and the other one is small and launched some
missiles at another country ...... it must be some French custom.

I do hope that Macron has read that little fable by the renown Danish author
Hans Christian Andersen. You know, the one about the Emperor not having any
clothes. It might help him avoid a (political) cold, plus save him some future
embarrassment.

Especially after having boasted with Trump about the size of his French rooster.
"Coq" is French for rooster, n'est-ce pas ? Or did I mis-understand what he said ?
French is not my first language.

Maybe he should tone down his "march on Moscow" theme a little, and perhaps
just content himself with attending the FIFA World Soccer Cup instead. Though
no doubt, he has already been told by his Foreign Ministry that that option is
"unacceptable under the current political climate."

Anyway, it's been nice chatting with you again. We must do this again sometime.

Do keep me posted on how the Syrian Douma "gas attack" investigation progresses.

And don't worry, if this one doesn't work out, I'm sure that there will be another
"chemical gas attack" soon enough. Whoever is responsible.

Cheers,
Viking

P.S. I almost forgot. After my last post, I did do a quick online search about the
meaning of "red herring".

And the short explanation I read said "that in the process of smoking the herring,
you blow smoke up its ar$e".

You English do have some strange customs. That's definitely not the way we smoke
our herring.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Now all of a sudden, there's stories on the news about Russian hacking. Fancy that.

[Katman]

Now all of a sudden, there's stories on the news about Russian hacking. Fancy that.

Anyone with even half an ounce of intelligence should be able see there's an agenda being pushed here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anyone with even half an ounce of intelligence should be able see there's an agenda being pushed here.

Well all sorts of people are starting to question the legitimacy of the chemical attack claims, best do the old switcheroo! Old Husa will swallow it all. Deep. :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

Review some of the critical history between Israel / Russia / USA. - Is or is not the common denominator always Israel? :scratch: Many suggest we should think long and hard about that! :corn:

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[Voltaire]

Apparently the Russian economy is in a very poor state says the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/21/putin-elected-russians-economy-protests

Somehere else said their Army was ready to kick NATO's arse....





You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down. Herr Hitler

That went well for Adolf.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apparently the Russian economy is in a very poor state says the Guardian

f.

You get that when you sanction a country and it's people to death eh!?

"The past six years have been terrible for the Russian economy, which has stagnated as prices on the oil market fell. Russia took part in the monstrous conflict with Ukraine, prompting sanctions from the European Union. "

Odd how no country sanctions the US of A for illegally invading and bombing other countries! What's with that? :crazy:

[oldrider]

SYRIA - What is "Really?" Happening by who and why. - (Skip to 26.05 for current situation news.) :scratch: The truth? - guess it's in there somewhere! . :confused:

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[husaberg]

Morning.
I personally don't see any point in searching the personal background of
Igor Nikulin, as it is simply irrelevant to the discussion.
He was simply one of several commentators who pointed to the facts that:
1. The Skripal samples provided by the UK had been submitted to the OPCW,
and then on to the independent Swiss state lab Spiez for analysis. And
that the active agent found was BZ (not a Novichuk in sight);
and
2. That the symptoms reportedly experienced by the Skripals tallied well
with those expected of BZ poisoning.
Which were the salient points of the linked article.
I could have just as easily added a different link in my earlier post e.g.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-in-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not-russian/5636311
It would not have changed either the message or its accuracy.
I think your request to "answer your questions" is what you English call
a "red herring".
Though why you English call it "red herring" is beyond me. Our Danish
herring is not red.
This English language; it can be so difficult at times.
Cheers,Viking

Number one Igor Nikulin was the Source of all the information in the story you provided the link to
The story was written as if Igor was some kind of independent expert for the OPCW this is incorrect he was put forward to protect Russia's interests in the OPCW.
Igor is the Former Director of the Security Problems. His role was developing secrecy laws in Russia. What do you think that means?
The link is to the Russian news outlet Sputnik. This is owned and solely controlled by the Russian Government.
All the rest of the story is not sourced at all. Did you not find any of this odd?
Note the Lab mentioned denies all of what Igor Nikulin has stated about the results.
https://uawire.org/swiss-laboratory-responded-to-lavrov-s-claims

In response to comments by the Foreign Minister of Russia (http://www.uawire.org/lavrov-alleged-that-sergei-and-yulia-skripal-were-assaulted-with-a-nato-poison),The laboratory in the town of Spiez, Switzerland that had contributed to the investigation on the notorious Skripal poisoning incident stated that the BZ toxin was not mentioned in its report.
“Only the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) can comment on this statement. But we can reiterate what we said 10 days ago. We have no doubt that Porton Down was right in identifying Novichok as the poisoning agent,” the Swiss lab posted on Twitter. Both the Spiez laboratory and the Porton Down laboratories are laboratories designated by OPCW.

Not only that Russia its pretty clear Russia was trying to furthercreate a lie with the BZ claims.
"There was no other chemical that was identified by the labs. The precursor of BZ that is referred to in the public statements (by Mr Lavrov), commonly known as 3Q, was contained in the control sample prepared by the OPCW Lab in accordance with the existing quality control procedures.
OPCW Director General Ahmet Üzümcü
​https://news.sky.com/story/uk-attacks-russias-changing-fantasies-on-skripal-nerve-agent-attack-at-chemical-summit-11336845



Yet despite the latest admissions that the Russians where repeatedly denied Novichok exists.
Here a just a few of the changes to their story.
https://www.rferl.org/a/timeline-deny-distort-novichok-russia-changing-stories-poisoning/29113561.html
So all of what you describe as being salient points evaporate into thin air.

Chrasher or Katman or Oldie and you could have found out all this quite easily, but as it suited what you thought had happened you never bothered.
The reason Katman and Chrasher cant answer questions is pretty simple, they don't know shit all and are not smart enough to look. either

[Crasherfromwayback]

The reason Katman and Chrasher cant answer questions is pretty simple, they don't know shit all and are not smart enough to look. either

Robert Fisk. Stupid Cunt.

[husaberg]

Robert Fisk. Stupid Cunt.
Oh Robert Fisk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef-an-apology-2331133.html

In his Friday essay on 15 April 2011 (" The Arab Awakening - a long time coming (https://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-arab-awakening-began-not-in-tunisia-this-year-but-in-lebanon-in-2005-2268002.html)") Robert Fisk quoted from an order said to have been issued by the Saudi Minister of the Interior, HRH Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud on 11 March, in which he alleged that Prince Nayef ordered his security forces to show no mercy and to use live rounds on unarmed demonstrators.
Although the essay was published in good faith, we now accept that the "Order" in question is in fact a forgery, and that Prince Nayef did not issue any such order
or this one
http://s22592.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Independent281006.jpg

UNEP has declared (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3325254,00.html):“No depleted uranium shrapnel, or other radioactive residue was found. The analysis of all smear samples taken shows no depleted uranium, enriched uranium or higher than natural uranium content in the samples.”,
or this one
http://acikradyo.com.tr/arsiv-icerigi/mr-powell-must-see-himself-what-israel-inflict


UNRWA set up teams to use the census lists to account for all the Palestinians (some 14,000) believed to be resident of the camp on April 3, 2002. Within five weeks all but one of the residents was accounted for."[81] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin#cite_note-81) A BBC report later noted, "Palestinian authorities made unsubstantiated claims of a wide-scale massacre

So can you find any source for Robert Fisk other than the one doctor Dr Assim Rahaibani by his own admission never treated the people and was not even there.
Are you aware that its practically guaranteed Assim Rahaibani works for the Syrian government or can you prove he is even a medical doctor or if that Fisk really even interviewed him at all.

Fisk in his article said he never interviewed any of the doctors who were on duty during the INCIDENT as

By bad luck, too, the doctors who were on duty that night on 7 April were all in Damascus giving evidence to a chemical weapons enquiry, which will be attempting to provide a definitive answer to that question in the coming weeks.
One might ask why he never went back the next day........ is it because he had his headline he wanted...............
I also note that his publication is not a member thus is not actually regulated by the IPSO.
The IPSO was established following the windup of the Press Complaints Commission.
The independent actually ceased being a newspaper print publication in 2016

[Katman]

Oh Robert Fisk....

Called it.

[husaberg]

Called it.
So why did the independent have to issue this retraction and an apology for this Robert Fisk article Stevo.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef-an-apology-2331133.html

Did you call that as well......

Or the massacre he reported that never happened where he claimed hundreds died.

Or the uranium bomb he claimed was used that had actually zero uranium

[husaberg]

Fuck off and die, you retarded fuckstain.
I will take that as you didn't think to actually look into the story or to Fisk.
But decided you just liked what he was saying. So it had to be true.
That's why it would not mater to you he reported a massacre where it turned out no one died.
Or a uranium bomb where there was no uranium.
Or an alleged death order from a Saudi prince that never existed.
You have done the same on numerous occasions previously David Ike, David Irving, Andrew Wakefield, Mark and David Geier, Paul Pantone etc etc
That's Okay Petes is all of a sudden Fisks greatest fanboi and I would wager a bet he had never even heard of him a week ago.

[Woodman]

What is the bet that katmans dummyspitting abusive posts don't get deleted by bandit like he says he will do from now on?

[sidecar bob]

Fuck off and die, you retarded fuckstain.

That's hardly a sound considered argument bro.;)

[Katman]

That's hardly a sound considered argument bro.;)

It was not directed at a sound individual.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's Okay Petes is all of a sudden Fisks greatest fanboi and I would wager a bet he had never even heard of him a week ago.

Lol. Oh, I've known of Robert Fisk for some time you Dumb Cunt. But in between pissing myself about just how gullible you are, I'm still waiting on your irrefutable facts, that Assad was in actual fact, behind the so called *Chemical attacks*, or facts that they indeed even happened.

Can you show me those please Glenn? I missed them whilst having a life. Despite me being off work, even I don't have to amount of time you do to stalk so many things and people.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck off and die, you retarded fuckstain.

If only his father had worn a condom.

[husaberg]

What is the bet that katmans dummyspitting abusive posts don't get deleted by bandit like he says he will do from now on?

Highly unlikely, but that's the sum of Katspam and cuzheliketoreacharroundbacks rebuttals, can you ever remember either ever answering a question?;)
Katman will go all quiet, but not pete, Cuzhelikestoreacharoundback will belligerently go on saying I never answered questions, that either I was never asked or more likely have already clearly answered pages ago.
he will go on claiming I made claims about stuff, That I clearly never did, then when he pushed to show the posts, where he claims I have said stuff, he will then never produce them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's Okay Petes is all of a sudden Fisks greatest fanboi and I would wager a bet he had never even heard of him a week ago.

Bit like how I'd never heard of an H1R eh? Oh...what's this, Fuckstick? Oh looky looky.... just another example of you talking utter shit. Serious question , Glenn. Do you actually have family? If so, when do you get to spend time with them? Next question. Seeing as you're an absolute authority on absolutely every single fucking subject, what is your greatest achievement? Are you the cunt that split the atom? (I've never actually heard who did that)

But no, you can't even get basic English right (after all, that was your tag on me for mis typing RG vs RGV way back then eh, Glenn). So you need to type this... Pete IS all of a... or, Pete's all of a....

Now...about the H1R...

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Stupid Cunt.

[husaberg]

Bit like how I'd never heard of an H1R eh? Oh...what's this, Fuckstick? Oh looky looky.... just another example of you talking utter shit. Serious question , Glenn. Do you actually have family? If so, when do you get to spend time with them? Next question. Seeing as you're an absolute authority on absolutely every single fucking subject, what is your greatest achievement? Are you the cunt that split the atom? (I've never actually heard who did that)

But no, you can't even get basic English right (after all, that was your tag on me for mis typing RG vs RGV way back then eh, Glenn). So you need to type this... Pete IS all of a... or, Pete's all of a....

Now...about the H1R...

Nice misdirected rant 6/10

[Voltaire]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

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[Viking01]

Husaberg,

Morning. I see another response from you yesterday. Post #412.

Excerpt from your Post #412 - Copied and numbered simply for ease of response. My reply follows.

1. Number one Igor Nikulin was the Source of all the information in the story you provided the link to.

2. The story was written as if Igor was some kind of independent expert for the OPCW this is incorrect
he was put forward to protect Russia's interests in the OPCW.

3. Igor is the Former Director of the Security Problems. His role was developing secrecy laws in Russia.
What do you think that means?

4. The link is to the Russian news outlet Sputnik. This is owned and solely controlled by the Russian Government.

5. All the rest of the story is not sourced at all. Did you not find any of this odd?

6. Note the Lab mentioned denies all of what Igor Nikulin has stated about the results.
https://uawire.org/swiss-laboratory-...avrov-s-claims

Yet despite the latest admissions that the Russians where repeatedly denied Novichok exists.
7. Here are just a few of the changes to their story.
https://www.rferl.org/a/timeline-den.../29113561.html

==============================================

Do I detect just the faintest taste of herring again ? .... 8-)

1. Nikulin was simply the person commenting. Just as several other parties did.
The source of the information was the Spiez lab report.

2. Your interpretation. There is nothing in the linked article that implies any association with OPCW.

Do other countries not have parties expressing their views and/or representing their interests?
Is this something peculiar to the Russians alone? Do the western powers not do the same?

3. Not interested. Irrelevant to the whole discussion. I gave up reading Black Spy / White Spy many
years ago.

Let's just try and stick with the details of the lab analyses, and see what OPCW on-the-ground
examinations in Syria yield (once they can safely get out to do their work).

4. Link to Sputnik website. Yes. So what ? Your point ?

For your information, you might want to add Russia Insider and Russia Today to your list as well.

If we were being balanced - and disregarding media ownership as a sole measure of control over the
press, we might also say (i) Deutsche Welle strongly represents German interests? (ii) France24 strongly
represents French interests (iii) the UK Times or Guardian strongly represents UK interests (iv) Washington
Post strongly represents US interests (v) China Global Times strongly represents Chinese interests and (vi)
Haaretz or Jerusalem Post strongly represents Israeli interests. Just to list a few.

A "fair man" would acknowledge that, and say that all parties (especially the "accused") were entitled to
expressing both information in their possession as well as their own views. You wouldn't deny the Russians
that opportunity, would you ?

I realise that I'm old fashioned. And some have even accused the Danes of being too liberal and fair minded.
I can handle that.

5. Disagree.

6. UaWire article. Interesting. Thanks for the link.

Guess that when we read the article, we see a number of different comments:

-The Spiez lab then denying that BZ was mentioned in their report;
-Lavrov quoting the report, making comment on BZ and that he was reading "word for word" from the report;
-The Spiez lab stating they were "confident that Porton Downs - as an OPCW accredited lab - had correctly
identified Novichuk". [ Though it was interesting that Spiez did not state whether they had detected the
presence of Novichuk, or not ].

Perhaps we should have also asked Porton Downs if they were requested to look for other agents as well,
and if they found traces of BZ in the samples they analysed ?

So, without being able to sight copy of the report, and relying upon press comments, all I can say is that
there seems to be some disagreement. Until I see some clarification otherwise, I make no further comment
on this point.

7. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty article. Husaberg, I didn't realise that you had such a good sense of
humour. Full marks.

Yes, it's a "lovely article" and "all very nicely packaged". But the source is hardly to be considered
"balanced and impartial" ... 8-)

RFE/RL have been creating and pumping "western propaganda" into the Eastern bloc since just after the
time of the Berlin Air Blockade back in 1948-49. And they've had 70 years of practice.

They even came into existence expressly for that purpose. All courtesy of the US taxpayer and the OPC
(precursor of the CIA). Heavens, the CIA even mentions it nostalgically on its website:

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2007-featured-story-archive/a-look-back.html

So, No, I'm not going to waste my time trying to unpick the various points of that article and try to rebut them.

And besides, we can both find articles online that raise plenty of "unanswered questions".

I see Rob Slane on Russia Insider has just updated his earlier list of anomalies (re the UK establishment's
Skripal story):

https://russia-insider.com/en/skripal-case-20-new-questions-journalists-might-start-asking/ri23209


All for now. You have a good day.

Cheers,
Viking.

[husaberg]

Do I detect just the faintest taste of herring again ? .... 8-)Viking.
funny,a red herring aye, its odd that you go on about propaganda but dimiss the fact you information is pretty much solely sourced from Russia media where it all controlled and run by the state. Its against russian laws to say anything against the state.
Rather than going through all your points that are wrong i will cut to the chase. As i really should be working.
Here is the OPCW report
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf
in it you will find

5. The team was able to conduct on-site sampling ofenvironmental samples under full chain of custody at sites identified aspossible hot-spots of residual contamination. Samples were returned to the OPCW Laboratory for subsequent analysis by OPCW designated laboratories. 6. The team requested and received splits of samples taken by British authorities for delivery to the OPCW Laboratory in Rijswijk, theNetherlands, and subsequent analysis by OPCW designated laboratories. This was done for comparative purposes and to verify the analysis of the United Kingdom.7. The team was briefed on the identity of the toxic chemical identified by the United Kingdom and was able to review analytical results and data from chemical analysis of biomedical samples collected by the British authorities from the affected individuals, as well as from environmental samples collected on site.8. The results of analysis of biomedical samples conductedby OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the exposure of the three hospitalised individuals to this toxic chemical. 9. The results of analysis of the environmental samples conducted by OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the presence of this toxic chemical in the samples. 10. The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.
Furthermore in order to counter the russian false narative about the lab testing the OPCW said this.

OPCW Director General Ahmet Üzümcü
In a news conference, Mr Lavrov said that a sample from Salisbury, sent to an OPCW-approved lab in Switzerland, had found a nerve agent called BZ, an agent historically produced by the UK and US."There was no other chemical that was identified by the labs. The precursor of BZ that is referred to in the public statements (by Mr Lavrov), commonly known as 3Q, was contained in the control sample prepared by the OPCW Lab in accordance with the existing quality control procedures."Otherwise it has nothing to do with the samples collected by the OPCW Team in Salisbury.
"This chemical was reported back to the OPCW by the two designated labs and the findings are duly reflected in the report." Mr Üzümcü said.
"There was no other chemical that was identified by the labs. The precursor of BZ that is referred to in the public statements (by Mr Lavrov), commonly known as 3Q, was contained in the control sample prepared by the OPCW Lab in accordance with the existing quality control procedures."Otherwise it has nothing to do with the samples collected by the OPCW Team in Salisbury."This chemical was reported back to the OPCW by the two designated labs and the findings are duly reflected in the report." Mr Üzümcü said.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-attacks-russias-changing-fantasies-on-skripal-nerve-agent-attack-at-chemical-summit-11336845

Now before you try and say but they didn't say Novicok in the report there is a reason why its not a proper chemical definition for the chemical.

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[oldrider]

*Hint:- Buy Israel they rotate both ways. :shifty:

Russia Reveals Who "Staged" Syria Gas Attack, As US Claims Moscow "May Have Tampered" With Site https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-16/russia-reveals-who-staged-syria-gas-attack-while-us-claims-moscow-may-have-tampered :corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

[LEFT]

funny[]

I'll tell ya what's funny, then what's REALLY funny.

By burying your head in the sand, and flat out refusing to believe the reports and evidence put before you, you've actually become what you accuse Steve, Old Boy and myself of being. It's all a conspiracy !!! They did do, they DID do it!!! It's quite funny.

Now the REALLY funny thing. Despite your claims of higher intelligence, you're actually too fucking thick to even see that.

One day, you might be man enough to actually admit you're wrong on occasion, but I somehow doubt it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

MG]

Can't give you more rep. But don't start me!

[husaberg]

I'll tell ya what's funny, then what's REALLY funny.
By burying your head in the sand, and flat out refusing to believe the reports and evidence put before you.

Oh thats some great stuff Exactly whose head is buried in the sand here, Your post in reply to me posting the OPCW report and the OPCW director generals Comments that the Russians were clearly attempting to fabricate a totally untrue narative relating to the testing and test results.
Proves that you are quite detached from any form of reality.

One day, you might be man enough to actually admit you're wrong on occasion, but I somehow doubt it.
Now you are just being silly, I have been wrong before, I said a page or two ago that I didn't think anyone could be more stupid and belligerent than yokel. Well shit, With this latest hypocritic unfounded outburst, you raise the bar on that one.
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[Crasherfromwayback]

[LEFT]


Proves that you are quite detached from any form of reality.

]

I'm off to the super market shortly, I think they have tin foil on special at the mo. I'll get you a couple of dozen rolls, keep you all safe like...

[Viking01]

funny,a red herring aye, its odd that you go on about propaganda but dimiss the fact you information is pretty much solely sourced from Russia media where it all controlled and run by the state. Its against russian laws to say anything against the state.
Rather than going through all your points that are wrong i will cut to the chase. As i really should be working.
Here is the OPCW report
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf
in it you will find

Furthermore in order to counter the russian false narative about the lab testing the OPCW said this.

Now before you try and say but they didn't say Novichok there is a reason why its not a proper chemical definition for the chemical.

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Thanks for the update and the link to the OPCW Report Summary in post #428.

Clarifies the comments made regarding BZ. So it appears that comments made re BZ within samples were
incorrect.

And confirms the presence of "Novichuk" in the UK Skripal samples supplied to and tested by OPCW in the
Netherlands.

[ And yes, with an organic chemistry and a chemical engineering background plus some recent background
reading on "Novichuks" and A234 etc, I acknowledge your last comment about their "chemical definition". ]

Yes, it's true. Some of the linked articles I've mentioned are from Russian websites. I make no apology.
You might also be equally horrified to find out that I read content from some Chinese (and Middle Eastern)
news sites as well. [Disclaimer] I hope that that doesn't mark me as a subversive.

Trying to find out and understand what is happening in the world involves looking at content from both
western and non-western new sites. As I'm sure you realise.

I doubt that I'd find some of the recent political analysis I've seen present on mainstream western MSM
news sites. All "grist to the mill", and necessary in trying to form a more balanced assessment of affairs.


But I understand your concern about the Russians.

It has been with some interest I note the recent actions taken by US authorities in trying to restrict
the operation of Russian websites (such as Russia Today / Sputnik) within the US.

No doubt due to "Russian propaganda", and US concern about "Russian meddling in US elections". One
can never be too careful.

It's just as well the US has the NSA, the FBI and all its other assorted security organisations to keep
tabs on all its internal activities. And to protect its citizens.

Cheers,
Viking

[Crasherfromwayback]

Free cookies!!!

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/child-victim-of-syrian-gas-attack-comes-forward-says-he-was-given-food-to-make-fake-video-of-attack/

[husaberg]

Thanks for the update and the link to the OPCW Report Summary in post #428.
Clarifies the comments made regarding BZ. So it appears that comments made re BZ within samples were
incorrect. And confirms the presence of "Novichuk" in the UK Skripal samples supplied to and tested by OPCW in the
Netherlands.[ And yes, with an organic chemistry and a chemical engineering background plus some recent background
reading on "Novichuks" and A234 etc, I acknowledge your last comment about their "chemical definition". ]
VikingIf you read the summary report it was repeated at other labs (ie Swiss and others)its mentioned in section 6
So can you please, knowing what you now, give any plausable reason why Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov appears to have been attempting to subvert these facts then?
In your opinion do his claims regarding the lab tests ammount to what you earlier descibed as being a "Red Herring"

Also i missed that you said this earlier.

So if the Russians have had to "keep changing their story", well, the obvious answer is that it has been in response to the ever changing story-line providedby the UK authorities.

Can you give some examples where the UK have changed their story?

[Swoop]

Wow.

The gullibility of kiwis in believing the socialist propaganda and disinformation, is remarkable.

"Gas attack didn't happen"? I imagine the Syrian civilians will be happy to know this.
"70+ Missiles shot down". Well, since the "defence system" didn't activate until after the attack, this is impressive.
I'm sure the Assads will happily show the bombsites where the destroyed incoming-missiles were located. <_<

[Crasherfromwayback]

I imagine the Syrian civilians will be happy to know this.
"<

I haven't seen any that have been gassed? And can you tell me again, how is bombing a chemical munitions plant a good idea? Not that that's what it was...

Rocket Science!

[Swoop]

I haven't seen any that have been gassed? And can you tell me again, how is bombing a chemical munitions plant a good idea? Not that that's what it was...

Rocket Science!

Have you been reading Pravda again, or one of steve's "favourite" sites?

[husaberg]

I haven't seen any that have been gassed?

The OPCW still even today, have been prevented from accessing the site by both Russia and Syria where the attack was alledged to have occured. Does that not strike you as a little odd that the OPCW still is being prevented even now from going to the site by Russia and Syria.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/syria-chemical-attack-inspectors-unable-to-access-douma-site
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/syria-and-russia-accused-of-blocking-access-to-chemical-attack-site-1.3463756
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-syria-chemical-attack-investigation-20180416-story.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43792120
https://www.rferl.org/a/syria-russia-says-chemical-arms-inspectors-due-april-18/29172074.html


And can you tell me again, how is bombing a chemical munitions plant a good idea? Not that that's what it was...
Rocket Science!
Both Syria and Russia were given advanced warning that the US intended to attack of the Syrian facilities.
Even you knew this.
Also The US lead forces even used the UN defined corridor Russia knew this and had turned off their own Defensive missles.
Syria was thus given time to evacuate the facilities and remove its stockpiles of chemicals at these facilities.
It was the capasity to manufacture these nerve agents that was the target, thats why only a few people died.

[Viking01]

If you read the summary report it was repeated at other labs (ie Swiss and others)its mentioned in section 6
So can you please, knowing what you now, give any plausable reason why Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov appears to have been attempting to subvert these facts then?
In your opinion do his claims regarding the lab tests ammount to what you earlier descibed as being a "Red Herring"

Also i missed that you said this earlier.
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Can you give some examples where the UK have changed their story?


Thanks for your last update in post #436

Appreciate your bringing the media correction re BZ to my attention. And I believe that I acknowledged
the earlier UAwire article was in error.

But it would be remiss of me to surmise what Mr Lavrov might or might have been thinking, or what his
motivations or intentions might have been, when he made his statement. If you want to know that, then
perhaps you could contact the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation:

http://www.mid.ru/en/main_en

and lodge a request for a clarification.

I see the earlier article containing Lavrov's comments (posted on the UAwire website) has since been
removed. I hope you're not going to ask me why the website hosts choose to did so, and whether that
also amounted to an attempted subversion of the truth.

Regarding your last point, I'm sorry that I can't make any definitive statement for you as to the colour
of the herring. While Russians are traditionally type cast as being "Red", from a quick search of Russian
herring recipes online, Russian herring would appear to be slightly pink:

http://russianfood-ie.com/russian-salted-herring-seledka/

Traditionally served with Schnapps back home, but likely Vodka in the case of the Russians. The best that
I can do for you at this moment.

Have a good week-end.

Cheers,
Viking

P.S. I see that you have since added a request for a list of the changes re the UK storyline. I'll see
what I can compile for you. Back to you later on that one.

[oldrider]

Media Blackout on Eye-witness Denials of Alleged Douma Gas Attacks https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-blackout-on-eye-witness-denials-of-alleged-douma-gas-attacks/5636725 :rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

I do wonder why Assad who is on the face of it "winning" would court bombing from the 'goodies' with a gas attack.

[Katman]

I do wonder why Assad who is on the face of it "winning" would court bombing from the 'goodies' with a gas attack.

I'm sure husaberk will be along shortly with the definitive answer to that one.

[oldrider]

US-Led Western Scheme to Divide & Destroy Syria Revealed in Leaked British Cable:- http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/destroy-syria-us-west-plot-leaked-cable/ :rolleyes: .... Israel first? :scratch:

[husaberg]

I do wonder why Assad who is on the face of it "winning" would court bombing from the 'goodies' with a gas attack.
Why not ask his neighbours
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/year-khan-sheikhoun-syria-chemical-weapons-180404120132586.html

But in October 2017, the Joint Investigative Mechanism, a group tasked by the UN Security Council and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to investigate chemical weapons attacks, confirmed that the chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun did happen, and that the Syrian government was responsible for the killing of civilians.

Maybe its very effective bacause only minutes after the attack occured the rebels agreed to pull back.
But still the now today the Syrian goverment denies the OPCW access to the site.

One might also ask why did Sadam husain do the same.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/iraq_events/html/chemical_warfare.stm

[Voltaire]

I get gas attacks are unpalatable and illegal but any worse than cluster bombs or those delayed ones?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/saudis-dropped-british-cluster-bombs-in-yemen-fallon-tells-commons

How come Yemen barely makes the news?

How come they provide weapons to the Saudis to batter their neigbours with ?, oh hang on I think I know the answer to that one.

The world is one sure fucked up place.

You can get back to posting links now.:rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I get gas attacks are unpalatable and illegal but any worse than cluster bombs or those delayed ones?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/saudis-dropped-british-cluster-bombs-in-yemen-fallon-tells-commons

How come Yemen barely makes the news?

How come they provide weapons to the Saudis to batter their neigbours with ?, oh hang on I think I know the answer to that one.

:

Because it's OK for us to do it Silly! Sheesh!

[Crasherfromwayback]

How come Yemen barely makes the news?

How come they provide weapons to the Saudis to batter their neigbours with ?, oh hang on I think I know the answer to that one.



The Yanks are on their way here too. Or, NOT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHuwIT7vSLU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LZjNwuBG2I

They'll look after these cunts too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNq0DIqgR5A

[husaberg]

I get gas attacks are unpalatable and illegal but any worse than cluster bombs or those delayed ones?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/19/saudis-dropped-british-cluster-bombs-in-yemen-fallon-tells-commons

How come Yemen barely makes the news?

How come they provide weapons to the Saudis to batter their neigbours with ?, oh hang on I think I know the answer to that one.

The world is one sure fucked up place.

You can get back to posting links now.:rolleyes:
I posted Russias use of cluster bombs as confirmed by their own videos neither Cuzhelikeareacharroundback or Katspam had an issue with it.
They seemed to think it was alright by them.

The author is a regular guest on Russia Today.
Today Last time I seen something on Russia Today it was when they made the mistake of showing a Russian jet being loaded with cluster bombs to bomb a civilian area of Syria.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-01/syrian-government-use-banned-bombs-amnesty-international-says/9213754
Russian media where it is a crime punishable by imprisonment to criticise Russia
His website also has links directing people to David Icke, Alex Jones

Err as i posted a few times the Russians are using both incendiaries and cluster bombs already.


Plus the cluster bombs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUMNJI6LOmM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwFii7gLBZ4
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/28/russia/syria-widespread-new-cluster-munition-use

Not to mention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9f8Ff8M6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhfEJb2nL2g

<strike></strike>

[Crasherfromwayback]

I posted Russias use of cluster bombs as confirmed by their own videos
They seemed to think it was alright by them.



Like this eh? 336303

[husaberg]

Like this eh?
No the Russian ones are far bigger plus they are incendiary and dropped in civilian areas and they even show them being used on Russia today.
They stay on RT until people see them and post about it on the net. Only then do they try to edit it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP8VOliyPc8
But that never worried you or Katspama before with the Russians using them did it. So why would it now?
even your old Fav the independant covered it, plus the cover up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-today-syria-war-cluster-bomb-footage-censorship-video-vladimir-putin-a7093141.html
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/28/russia/syria-widespread-new-cluster-munition-use

So why are you so up in arms about others using them you were aware Russia were using them and stayed silent about it.

[TheDemonLord]

Like this eh? 336303

On pure curiosity - I had a look at the cost of a Hellfire Missile and a Reaper drone and it's cost per hour of flight - I'm afraid your Meme is incorrect on all counts.

[oldrider]

MAJOR FAIL: Why Most of Those Tomahawks Never Hit Their Targets in Syria https://russia-insider.com/en/major-fail-why-most-those-tomahawks-never-hit-their-targets-syria/ri23177 :shutup: FFS :rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

On pure curiosity - I had a look at the cost of a Hellfire Missile and a Reaper drone and it's cost per hour of flight - I'm afraid your Meme is incorrect on all counts.

It's the thought that counts!

[TheDemonLord]

It's the thought that counts!

And clearly, that thought was a little wayward :laugh:

[husaberg]

On pure curiosity - I had a look at the cost of a Hellfire Missile and a Reaper drone and it's cost per hour of flight - I'm afraid your Meme is incorrect on all counts.
Not to mention missiles have a shelf life.
Mostly the only time 75 squadron was ever allowed to live fire was when they were due to expire.
http://a4skyhawk.info/sites/default/files/images-a4-unknown/a4-nza4k3.jpg (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjDrJaN3cjaAhVDqJQKHaYIDQoQjRx6BAgAEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fa4skyhawk.info%2Farticle-unit%2Frnzaf-75-squadron&psig=AOvVaw3OPbuII3tJ0T5UT_uBPe-o&ust=1524309361408555)

[Viking01]

Can you give some examples where the UK have changed their story?

As requested.

Your request was for identification of various changes occurring in the UK story. Not all the following
required a response on the Russians part, but many still led to confusion for both the Russians and
other observers around the world.

A. Poison Allegedly Involved

1. A Novichuk or "some similar product" (true identity was not confirmed by lab analysis until Skripal
samples had actually been sent to Porton Downs).

2. Novichuk could be manufactured "only by Russia" ( This was disproven by evidence from Iran - 2016,
and by response from senior organic chemists at US Cornell University).

3. Novichuk used in the Skripal poisoning was "manufactured and supplied by Russia" (still unproven to this
date).

4. Novichuk was "military grade" (even though advice was that "military grade" dispersed in even very low
concentration could have killed a considerable number of people within a 200 metre radius of the point of
application).

5. Novichuk could be manufactured only by a "state actor" (promptly contradicted by organic chemists at
Cornell university).

6. Confirmation of Novichuk by Porton Downs staff (source of the sample used by them in verification of
identity ?)

Poisoning occurred on 4 March 2018.

B. Initial Behaviour by the UK Authorities

The initial activity performed by the UK authorities focused more on condemning Russia, engaging allied
support and then expelling Russian diplomats. Whilst at the same time denying any meaningful assistance
to the Russians.

1. Novichuk was being touted as the agent involved by UK politicians within 36 hours of the poisoning,
yet it required one week minimum for Porton Down analysis - following provision of samples - for them
to be able to verify its identity with confidence. In the meanwhile, the UK levelled accusations against
Russia, issued an ultimatum and then (after a quite understandable refusal by the Russians) initiated the
expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats from the UK (whilst pushing for expulsion of diplomats from other allied
countries).

2. Scotland Yard identified no prospective suspects. No-one was seen on CCTV (in a country of CCTV
cameras). No images, composites or photos of likely suspects was ever released by UK Police. No persons
of interest were ever circulated.

3. Despite being a signatory to OPCW, the UK refused to co-operate with Russian authorities from the
outset (in terms of provision of information on the poison suspected).

4. The UK denied Russia the opportunity to come and either (i) take its own samples (ii) inspect existing
samples from the alleged scene - which is an action permitted under OPCW rules.

5. The UK chose to instead quickly pursue a "political" course of action (through the issuing of a two day
ultimatum to Russia, and then the immediate apportioning of blame to Russia - well prior to any detailed
analysis work by qualified lab staff (at Porton Downs).

6. UK issued an ultimatum to Russia, demanding that it confirm either that a Novichuk attack had been
performed by Russia, or that it was a result of alleged Russian Novichuk stockholding falling into third
party hands (as if these were the only plausible explanations, and each of which implied some Russian
responsibility). This is comparable to the old "Do you still beat your wife" question.

7. UK engagement with allies led to the expulsion of Russian diplomats from those countries (i.e. US = 60;
Ukraine = 13; Germany = 4 ; Canada = 4; Poland = 4; France = 4; Lithuania = 3; Moldova = 3; Czech Rep = 3;
Australia = 2). This required the Russians to focus on their staff exiting overseas embassies, whilst at the
same time seeking definitive information from the UK on the poisoning itself.

8. The UK did not provide Russia with any ongoing information on the health status of the Skripals while
they were recovering in hospital (they are still Russian citizens). Updates had been requested by Russian
embassy staff from Day One.

9. Russian Embassy staff were denied access to the Skripals or to UK medical staff while the Skripals were
in hospital (denying the Russians the opportunity to verify the situation for themselves, and to discuss
the Skripals condition with UK medical staff).

10. The UK Foreign Minister (Boris Johnson) categorically stated that Porton Downs staff had been able
to verify the source of the product ("absolutely sure that it was made by Russia"), only to be quickly
contradicted and his statement denied by Porton Down management (Boris was caught out in a lie).

11. OPCW staff first arrived in London to collect Skripal samples well over a week after the UK had issued
its ultimatum to Russia (and had already initiated the expulsion of UK diplomats).

C. Political Defence Required by Russia in the Interim

1. Accusations in UK Parliament by Theresa May and Boris Johnson prior to availability of any concrete
laboratory evidence. Resistance by other politicians requesting the UK Government to await test results
was brushed aside (Jeremy Corbyn; George Galloway).

2. Unprofessional response by UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson ( "Putin is like Hitler"; "Russians
probably did it"; "Shut up and go home" [ Husaberg, very much like your own instruction written to me
in Danish .... very polite ...... 8-)

3. Preparation and issue of a PowerPoint slideshow to allies to justify the expulsion of Russian diplomats,
where the slideshow contained a number of completely unrelated allegations of Russian involvement -
all without any evidence to substantiate them (e.g. 2006 - Litvinenko; 2007 - DDOS attack on Estonian
Internet; 2008 - Russian response in Georgia; 2014 - MH17 airliner; 2014 - Crimea and Ukraine Donbass;
2015 - Bundestag data hack; 2015 - Danish Defence Ministry data hack; 2016 - US election meddling;
2016 - Coup attempt in Montenegro; 2017 - NotPetra ransomware cyber attacks).

D. Poisoning Location and Vector

Considerable variation on both location and vector used in the alleged poisoning over time.

1. Poisoning of Skripals by food ingested at a restaurant, then
2. Poisoning caused by being in contact with a park bench at the restaurant, then
3. Poisoning occurred in the car transporting the Skripals home, then
4. Subsequent advice by London Metropolitan Police Commissioner that poisoning had instead occurred at
the Skripals house.

This was contradicted by subsequent reports from other diners present at the restaurant, who stated that
the Skripals already appeared to be in a disoriented state back at the restaurant.

When poisoning was said to have occurred at their house:
5. Poisoning by door knob, then
6. Poisoning by Wheat bags, then
7. Poisoning via items brought back via travel luggage transported by other persons (who were apparently
not affected).

8. Guinea pigs and a cat at the Skripals home died (not by poisoning, but by their subsequent incarceration
in the house unattended without food and water). Animals were promptly cremated (samples were not taken
and made available for analysis).

9. Detective Nick Bailey (the minder poisoned at the same time as the Skripals) - was reported to still be in
"critical condition" after several weeks - yet following a reporter enquiry, he was then found to have been
released in good health (no adverse effects) well over a week earlier.

E. Treatment of Other Persons

1. The London Times reported that poison exposure had required the treatment for "up to 40 people from the
restaurant" (yet Emergency Medicine at Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust - March 14 - advised that over that
given period, no patients had experienced "nerve agent" poisoning in Salisbury, and there only three patients
had been admitted suffering from a "significant poisoning").

2. If a "nerve agent" was suspected, why were those diners at the restaurant allegedly sent to a District
Hospital - instead of either nearby Porton Downs (which apparently had chemicals able to mitigate such
poisoning) or to the University Hospital at nearby Southampton. (Both locations were far better equipped
to handle a poisoning due to a "nerve agent").

3. No action was taken to avoid harm to firemen / police / doctors attending either the restaurant or
the Skripals home (Responders were not advised to wear protective gear, despite a statement that a
"nerve agent" might be involved).

4. Once a public statement had been made via the press that a "nerve agent" was possibly involved, over
a full week elapsed before Public Health England actually advised other diners present at the restaurant
on that same day to take some action to avoid risk of poisoning from their clothing (why such a time delay
if a "nerve agent" was suspected).

5. Advice to those diners was simply to wash their clothes in warm water/detergent or to use baby wipes.
(This is hardly appropriate treatment, given the alleged Novichuk toxicity - 5 to 8x more lethal than VX -
and where only 10 milligrams of VX is required to cause death).

F. Collection and Analysis of Skripal Samples

1. The amount of "initial doubt" surrounding the timing and taking of blood and other samples from the
Skripals, and whether the chain of evidence (from the Skripals through to the lab tasked with performing
the analysis) had actually been preserved.

2. The fact that on 23 March, a UK High Court contested Boris Johnson's claims about "Russian" Novichuk
being involved, and ordered the taking of fresh samples from the Skripals (which were the ones that were
actually forwarded to OPCW).

3. The fact that "high purity" Novichuk was still found to be present in the Skripal samples supplied to the
OPCW, even though several weeks had elapsed since poisoning (the second set of samples - those sent to
OPCW - were not taken until nearly 3 weeks after the poisoning - product decomposition and elimination
should have been expected).

G. Skripals Post Recovery

1. The daughter contacted a Russian cousin by mobile pay phone and advised that she and her father had both
recovered. Cousin wished to visit. When the UK authorities found out, they contacted the cousin back to say
the daughter did not wish any contact. Daughter was not permitted contact with cousin. Denial of UK visa to
the cousin.

2. Discussions on possible creation of new identities and relocation of the Skripals to another country.

3. Russian authorities are still denied access to the Skripals even to this date.


Trust that this should be sufficient.

Cheers,
Viking

[Crasherfromwayback]

Trust that this should be sufficient.

Cheers,
Viking

Lol. Yeah. I'd say so. Glenn won't though!

[husaberg]

As requested.

Your request was for identification of various changes occurring in the UK story. Not all the following
required a response on the Russians part, but many still led to confusion for both the Russians and
other observers around the world.

A. Poison Allegedly Involved

1. A Novichuk or "some similar product" (true identity was not confirmed by lab analysis until Skripal
samples had actually been sent to Porton Downs).

2. Novichuk could be manufactured "only by Russia" ( This was disproven by evidence from Iran - 2016,
and by response from senior organic chemists at US Cornell University).

3. Novichuk used in the Skripal poisoning was "manufactured and supplied by Russia" (still unproven to this
date).

4. Novichuk was "military grade" (even though advice was that "military grade" dispersed in even very low
concentration could have killed a considerable number of people within a 200 metre radius of the point of
application).

5. Novichuk could be manufactured only by a "state actor" (promptly contradicted by organic chemists at
Cornell university).

6. Confirmation of Novichuk by Porton Downs staff (source of the sample used by them in verification of
identity ?)

Poisoning occurred on 4 March 2018.

B. Initial Behaviour by the UK Authorities

The initial activity performed by the UK authorities focused more on condemning Russia, engaging allied
support and then expelling Russian diplomats. Whilst at the same time denying any meaningful assistance
to the Russians.

1. Novichuk was being touted as the agent involved by UK politicians within 36 hours of the poisoning,
yet it required one week minimum for Porton Down analysis - following provision of samples - for them
to be able to verify its identity with confidence. In the meanwhile, the UK levelled accusations against
Russia, issued an ultimatum and then (after a quite understandable refusal by the Russians) initiated the
expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats from the UK (whilst pushing for expulsion of diplomats from other allied
countries).

2. Scotland Yard identified no prospective suspects. No-one was seen on CCTV (in a country of CCTV
cameras). No images, composites or photos of likely suspects was ever released by UK Police. No persons
of interest were ever circulated.

3. Despite being a signatory to OPCW, the UK refused to co-operate with Russian authorities from the
outset (in terms of provision of information on the poison suspected).

4. The UK denied Russia the opportunity to come and either (i) take its own samples (ii) inspect existing
samples from the alleged scene - which is an action permitted under OPCW rules.

5. The UK chose to instead quickly pursue a "political" course of action (through the issuing of a two day
ultimatum to Russia, and then the immediate apportioning of blame to Russia - well prior to any detailed
analysis work by qualified lab staff (at Porton Downs).

6. UK issued an ultimatum to Russia, demanding that it confirm either that a Novichuk attack had been
performed by Russia, or that it was a result of alleged Russian Novichuk stockholding falling into third
party hands (as if these were the only plausible explanations, and each of which implied some Russian
responsibility). This is comparable to the old "Do you still beat your wife" question.

7. UK engagement with allies led to the expulsion of Russian diplomats from those countries (i.e. US = 60;
Ukraine = 13; Germany = 4 ; Canada = 4; Poland = 4; France = 4; Lithuania = 3; Moldova = 3; Czech Rep = 3;
Australia = 2). This required the Russians to focus on their staff exiting overseas embassies, whilst at the
same time seeking definitive information from the UK on the poisoning itself.

8. The UK did not provide Russia with any ongoing information on the health status of the Skripals while
they were recovering in hospital (they are still Russian citizens). Updates had been requested by Russian
embassy staff from Day One.

9. Russian Embassy staff were denied access to the Skripals or to UK medical staff while the Skripals were
in hospital (denying the Russians the opportunity to verify the situation for themselves, and to discuss
the Skripals condition with UK medical staff).

10. The UK Foreign Minister (Boris Johnson) categorically stated that Porton Downs staff had been able
to verify the source of the product ("absolutely sure that it was made by Russia"), only to be quickly
contradicted and his statement denied by Porton Down management (Boris was caught out in a lie).

11. OPCW staff first arrived in London to collect Skripal samples well over a week after the UK had issued
its ultimatum to Russia (and had already initiated the expulsion of UK diplomats).

C. Political Defence Required by Russia in the Interim

1. Accusations in UK Parliament by Theresa May and Boris Johnson prior to availability of any concrete
laboratory evidence. Resistance by other politicians requesting the UK Government to await test results
was brushed aside (Jeremy Corbyn; George Galloway).

2. Unprofessional response by UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson ( "Putin is like Hitler"; "Russians
probably did it"; "Shut up and go home" [ Husaberg, very much like your own instruction written to me
in Danish .... very polite ...... 8-)

3. Preparation and issue of a PowerPoint slideshow to allies to justify the expulsion of Russian diplomats,
where the slideshow contained a number of completely unrelated allegations of Russian involvement -
all without any evidence to substantiate them (e.g. 2006 - Litvinenko; 2007 - DDOS attack on Estonian
Internet; 2008 - Russian response in Georgia; 2014 - MH17 airliner; 2014 - Crimea and Ukraine Donbass;
2015 - Bundestag data hack; 2015 - Danish Defence Ministry data hack; 2016 - US election meddling;
2016 - Coup attempt in Montenegro; 2017 - NotPetra ransomware cyber attacks).

D. Poisoning Location and Vector

Considerable variation on both location and vector used in the alleged poisoning over time.

1. Poisoning of Skripals by food ingested at a restaurant, then
2. Poisoning caused by being in contact with a park bench at the restaurant, then
3. Poisoning occurred in the car transporting the Skripals home, then
4. Subsequent advice by London Metropolitan Police Commissioner that poisoning had instead occurred at
the Skripals house.

This was contradicted by subsequent reports from other diners present at the restaurant, who stated that
the Skripals already appeared to be in a disoriented state back at the restaurant.

When poisoning was said to have occurred at their house:
5. Poisoning by door knob, then
6. Poisoning by Wheat bags, then
7. Poisoning via items brought back via travel luggage transported by other persons (who were apparently
not affected).

8. Guinea pigs and a cat at the Skripals home died (not by poisoning, but by their subsequent incarceration
in the house unattended without food and water). Animals were promptly cremated (samples were not taken
and made available for analysis).

9. Detective Nick Bailey (the minder poisoned at the same time as the Skripals) - was reported to still be in
"critical condition" after several weeks - yet following a reporter enquiry, he was then found to have been
released in good health (no adverse effects) well over a week earlier.

E. Treatment of Other Persons

1. The London Times reported that poison exposure had required the treatment for "up to 40 people from the
restaurant" (yet Emergency Medicine at Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust - March 14 - advised that over that
given period, no patients had experienced "nerve agent" poisoning in Salisbury, and there only three patients
had been admitted suffering from a "significant poisoning").

2. If a "nerve agent" was suspected, why were those diners at the restaurant allegedly sent to a District
Hospital - instead of either nearby Porton Downs (which apparently had chemicals able to mitigate such
poisoning) or to the University Hospital at nearby Southampton. (Both locations were far better equipped
to handle a poisoning due to a "nerve agent").

3. No action was taken to avoid harm to firemen / police / doctors attending either the restaurant or
the Skripals home (Responders were not advised to wear protective gear, despite a statement that a
"nerve agent" might be involved).

4. Once a public statement had been made via the press that a "nerve agent" was possibly involved, over
a full week elapsed before Public Health England actually advised other diners present at the restaurant
on that same day to take some action to avoid risk of poisoning from their clothing (why such a time delay
if a "nerve agent" was suspected).

5. Advice to those diners was simply to wash their clothes in warm water/detergent or to use baby wipes.
(This is hardly appropriate treatment, given the alleged Novichuk toxicity - 5 to 8x more lethal than VX -
and where only 10 milligrams of VX is required to cause death).

F. Collection and Analysis of Skripal Samples

1. The amount of "initial doubt" surrounding the timing and taking of blood and other samples from the
Skripals, and whether the chain of evidence (from the Skripals through to the lab tasked with performing
the analysis) had actually been preserved.

2. The fact that on 23 March, a UK High Court contested Boris Johnson's claims about "Russian" Novichuk
being involved, and ordered the taking of fresh samples from the Skripals (which were the ones that were
actually forwarded to OPCW).

3. The fact that "high purity" Novichuk was still found to be present in the Skripal samples supplied to the
OPCW, even though several weeks had elapsed since poisoning (the second set of samples - those sent to
OPCW - were not taken until nearly 3 weeks after the poisoning - product decomposition and elimination
should have been expected).

G. Skripals Post Recovery

1. The daughter contacted a Russian cousin by mobile pay phone and advised that she and her father had both
recovered. Cousin wished to visit. When the UK authorities found out, they contacted the cousin back to say
the daughter did not wish any contact. Daughter was not permitted contact with cousin. Denial of UK visa to
the cousin.

2. Discussions on possible creation of new identities and relocation of the Skripals to another country.

3. Russian authorities are still denied access to the Skripals even to this date.


Trust that this should be sufficient.

Cheers,
Viking
Not really no again I asked for the changes to the british story you suggested had occured, not many if any of that list actually fit that brief now do they
so maybe stick to the origional question. Using quotes of what the british officials have said that were later contricted by other british officials. Also add in the source of the information. Then we will have something sufficent.



So if the Russians have had to "keep changing their story", well, the obvious
answer is that it has been in response to the ever changing story-line provided
by the UK authorities. .

What is funny is you would not comment why a Russian minister might wilfully make misleading statements.

here is one of your posts you called the british account a red herring yet you still now refuse to do the same when in your own words have been proven to be totally incorrect.


Morning.

I personally don't see any point in searching the personal background of Igor Nikulin, as it is simply irrelevant to the discussion.
He was simply one of several commentators who pointed to the facts that:

1. The Skripal samples provided by the UK had been submitted to the OPCW,and then on to the independent Swiss state lab Spiez for analysis. And that the active agent found was BZ (not a Novichuk in sight);

and

2. That the symptoms reportedly experienced by the Skripals tallied well with those expected of BZ poisoning.

Which were the salient points of the linked article.

I could have just as easily added a different link in my earlier post e.g.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-in-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not-russian/5636311


It would not have changed either the message or its accuracy.
Cheers,
Viking

Well was it accurate................

[Katman]

Not really no
I asked for the changes to the british story you suggested had occured, not many if any of that list actually fit that brief now do they
so maybe stick to the origional question. Using quotes of what the british officials have said that were later contricted by other british officials. Also add in the source of the information. Then we will have something sufficent.

He's supplied you with more than enough information to raise serious questions regarding the British involvement in this case.

That you choose to ignore it all comes as no surprise.

[Katman]

On pure curiosity - I had a look at the cost of a Hellfire Missile and a Reaper drone and it's cost per hour of flight - I'm afraid your Meme is incorrect on all counts.

Not by much, it would appear.

https://www.fcnl.org/updates/understanding-drones-43

[Katman]

And an interesting perspective on America's drone programme.

https://www.johnlaurits.com/2017/hellfire-missiles-drones-defense-spending-price/

[husaberg]

He's supplied you with more than enough information to raise serious questions regarding the British involvement in this case.
That you choose to ignore it all comes as no surprise.


I never asked for a heap of conspiracy theory.
I asked a clear question
He chose instead to put a text wall, only people like you become confused by these.
Some of that information he put up is repeated 3 times to puff it out.
I asked for changes to the official british version, IE such as
it was Sarin, then no sarin doesn't exist, then no we never had sarin then, no sarin is odourless, then no sarin has a pungent odour, no the test reveal it was Chlorine, the British developed chlorine, we got rid of all our Nerve agent years ago, so what if sarin wasn’t on the list. Sarin was never developed in Russia, no sarin want ever developed in the Soviet Union, no so what if it was, no the sarin lab of the Former USSR was cleaned up by the Americans.
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[Katman]

IE such as it was Sarin, then no sarin doesn't exist, then no we never had sarin then, no sarin is odourless then no sarin hads a pungent odour, no the test reveil it was Chlorine,

Fuck me, you're even more autistic than TDL.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck me, you're even more autistic than TDL.

Any cunt, that runs off and links as many quotes, some from pages, days, or even weeks back as that cunt, is fully on the spectrum.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. what is funny is you would not coment why a Russian minister might willfully make misleading statements.
.

Get a fucking grip. Like no American/British Minister hasn't?? You are seriously retarded.

[husaberg]

I'll give you your dues. Even when faced by evidence to the contrary (by multiple different creditable sources), you're happy to keep sticking your head up your own ass. Impressive stuff. Pity dumb cunts like you and Trump could lead us to WWIII. Maybe then, and only then, you'll be happy.
Stupid cunt.

You're the one all over the place, Glenn. Hardly surprising either. Your argument is collapsing by the post.
Brain Washed Stupid Cunt.

That is not really backed by reality. I have asked you the same question 4 times you have replied 3 times without any answer to what is pretty simple questions

Funny really.

Tell you what lets see exactly how clever you are at finding out stuff.
This post by Viking that you no doubt read mentions Igor Nikulin
Find out what Igor Nikulin background is and post it for us?
The Tell me who runs the source of that story about Igor Nikulin?
Then add for us all how many times the Russians have given conflicting accounts of the Sergei Skripal incidence?
Then explain why the story from the Russians keep changing?
Until you can answer what is very simple questions any claims that who can objectively analyse any information presented before you is clearly in doubt.
Its pretty simple, answer the questions I asked or admit you don't actually look at anything you read with any sort of objectivity.;)
Here is the questions again.

Lololololololololololololololololol.... sorry...run out of lololololololololool's.
Stupid Cunt.



funny,a red herring aye, its odd that you go on about propaganda but dimiss the fact you information is pretty much solely sourced from Russia media where it all controlled and run by the state. Its against russian laws to say anything against the state.
Rather than going through all your points that are wrong i will cut to the chase. As i really should be working.
Here is the OPCW report
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf
in it you will find
Furthermore in order to counter the russian false narative about the lab testing the OPCW said this.
Now before you try and say but they didn't say Novicok in the report there is a reason why its not a proper chemical definition for the chemical.

I'll tell ya what's funny, then what's REALLY funny.
By burying your head in the sand, and flat out refusing to believe the reports and evidence put before you, you've actually become what you accuse Steve, Old Boy and myself of being. It's all a conspiracy !!! They did do, they DID do it!!! It's quite funny.
Now the REALLY funny thing. Despite your claims of higher intelligence, you're actually too fucking thick to even see that.
One day, you might be man enough to actually admit you're wrong on occasion, but I somehow doubt it.


Get a fucking grip. Like no American/British Minister hasn't?? You are seriously retarded.
Its pretty clear you swallowed all the crap and are the RETARD.
Tell me pete did you read and understand the report?https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf
before you claimed it proved you right when it in fact showed you were wrong.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176336-Short-amp-sweet-summary-of-the-hypocrisy-of-Syrian-situation/page29?p=1131094766#post1131094766
I sincerly doubt it? Are you man enough to admit you are totally wrong? I sincerly doubt that either hence you stupid quotes, So which is it? Not only wrong but also a total hypocrite?
Will you admit you are wrong now I sincerly doubt it. go on prove me wrong, by actually for once admitting you were clearly totally wrong or just confirm by not doing so, that you are a Katman level 5 hypocrite. Either way you are an epic dick.
Viking was man enough to admit he was wrong Katspam just slinked off as normal, what about you pete are you going to admit your wrong or just change the subject again......

[oldrider]

Only in America and some posters on KB - :facepalm:

Out of 26 Major Editorials on Trump’s Syria Strikes, Zero Opposed https://fair.org/home/out-of-20-major-editorials-on-trumps-syria-strikes-zero-opposed/ :doh:

A dose of reality:- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49264.htm

[Katman]

Its pretty clear you swallowed all the crap and are the RETARD.
Tell me pete did you read and understand the report?https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf
before you claimed it proved you right when it in fact showed you were wrong.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176336-Short-amp-sweet-summary-of-the-hypocrisy-of-Syrian-situation/page29?p=1131094766#post1131094766
I sincerly doubt it? Are you man enough to admit you are totally wrong? I sincerly doubt that either hence you stupid quotes, So which is it? Not only wrong but also a total hypocrite?
Will you admit you are wrong now I sincerly doubt it. go on prove me wrong, by actually for once admitting you were clearly totally wrong or just confirm by not doing so, that you are a Katman level 5 hypocrite. Either way you are an epic dick.
Viking was man enough to admt he was wrong Katmn just slinked off as normal, what about you pete are you goig to admit your wrong or just change the subject again......

While the Skripal 'poisoning' and the 'alleged' Douma chemical attack certainly have the connection that they're both being used as a means to demonise Russia, you really do need to learn how to seperate them out for discussion purposes.

Otherwise you simply come across as being all over the place like a mad woman's shit.

[Crasherfromwayback]

[
Viking was man enough to admt he was wrong Katmn just slinked off as normal, what about you pete are you goig to admit your wrong or just change the subject again......

I don't even read your shit, you stupid Cunt. And the only thing you've proved (once again), is that you're a stalker with a severe narcissistic personality disorder. Which is funny, as like the tin foil hat thing you like to accuse others of, you like to pull that one out of the bag too. But you're showing to be the absolute classic, of both. Stupid Cunt.

[husaberg]

While the Skripal 'poisoning' and the 'alleged' Douma chemical attack certainly have the connection that they're both being used as a means to demonise Russia, you really do need to learn how to seperate them out for discussion purposes.

Otherwise you simply come across as being all over the place like a mad woman's shit.
Unfortunately for pete what we were discussing at that time was the Skripal poisoning that was clearly spelled out numerous times to him.
So go find another excuse.
Or just be like Pete and continue to try and pretend he wasn't proved to be both epically wrong and a total hypocrite.


I don't even read your shit, you stupid Cunt. And the only thing you've proved (once again), is that you're a stalker with a severe narcissistic personality disorder. Which is funny, as like the tin foil hat thing you like to accuse others of, you like to pull that one out of the bag too. But you're showing to be the absolute classic, of both. Stupid Cunt.
You were wrong and you are too much of a complete loser to even admit it. You are everything you claim others to be and when your ego is wounded like it is now you attempt to throw the blame on those that have proven you wrong, seek some help or just piss off and sulk somewhere else. or do what an adult would do man up and admit you were wrong.

[Crasherfromwayback]

.. or do what an adult would do .

What's that? Stalk young girls online?

Meantime...

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[Viking01]

Post #460

Husaberg:

Not really no again I asked for the changes to the british story you suggested had occured, not many if any of that list actually fit that brief now do they
so maybe stick to the origional question. Using quotes of what the british officials have said that were later contricted by other british officials. Also add in the source of the information. Then we will have something sufficent.

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Afternoon. I was tied up this morning (figuratively speaking), so your reply has had to wait.

Right-o !

Yes, my list of items did come from a variety of newspapers, and from some blog posts made by
various foreign commentators (on the basis of media articles they had read). And 'No', RFE/RL
wasn't among the sources used.

It took me long enough to search for and find many of the various articles again, so 'No', I'm not
going to repeat my search looking for and making individual attribution.

It's totally your choice whether you read what I posted, and whether you accept or reject the
points that were listed.

Because, Husaberg, at the end of the day:

1. You're not here to give me instruction, and I'm not here to please you (I'm sorry if you might
have assumed otherwise, based on your earlier post echoed above) ;
2. There will always be "multiple stories" to be told (not just one) ; and
3. We are all entitled to (and will make) our own opinion. And I'm quite sure that neither your
opinion (nor mine) will prove to be "definitive".

One might well argue that the majority of the related articles published via UK main newspapers
- and replicated across foreign news media - constitutes "communication" to the wider public.
Whether it be "official" or not.

People are not naive enough to expect UK authorities to have documented this whole saga via
"official" political statements (unless of course it reflected positively on them). The authorities
must always preserve some measure of official deniability.

And this whole saga does not come across as being one of British politics "finest hours". I really
cannot imagine Theresa May and Boris "fighting anyone on the beaches", let alone the Russians.

Just for my understanding, when Boris was interviewed and he "misled" us about the provenance
(still unproven) of the Novichuk used in the alleged Skripal poisoning , was that an "official" UK
communication ?

And when he was then caught out, did he ever issue any "official" retraction or clarification,
either within the UK Parliament or through the UK media ? I may well have missed that news.

But this whole Skripal saga is a little like "poorly prepared" herring. It is not very digestible,
and it can keep repeating on you.

Just like memories of Tony Blair and the headlong US and UK rush to war in Iraq 2003 (hand in
hand with their allies, of course). That was to do with "chemical weapons" as well, wasn't it ?
Did they ever find the alleged Iraqi CW stockpiles ? I may well have missed that news as well.

It's just as well that Theresa May and Boris Johnson are not using this Skripal poisoning as a
means of justifying attacking another Middle Eastern country (say, like Syria). Or for selling
of weapons to other Middle Eastern countries (say, like Saudi Arabia).

Fortunately al Assad has already been "offically" branded a "dictator". So now the US, UK and
French politicians can sleep soundly at night (after they have launched a few missiles or have
bombed some Syrian troops, er, ISIS terrorists).

Mind you, every cloud has a silver lining. The fortunate part about the whole Syrian affair is
that once Al Assad has repented (or been deposed), and the allies have forced the Russians
out (and the Iranians, we mustn't forget the Iranians), then the UK can start selling weapons
to Syria. It's a triple win.

Just have to keep that Macron from poking his nosey French nose into that space where it's
not wanted. Just because he's an "ally" doesn't make him a "friend". This politics business is just
so nuanced. No wonder I'd never make a politician (good or otherwise).

It's also very fortunate that MBS in Saudi is "an enlightened moderate leader" and not a "dictator".
That way, the UK can sell weapons to them with a clear conscience.

I'm sure all the nasty foreign press reports about the Saudi forces bombing Yemenis is just more
"fake news", because I never read about it in any of the "official" UK communications or blogs.

Even when there "may" be some UK forces present in Saudi, "assisting" the Saudi forces with their
"planning and organising". Judging by their success to date, the Saudis certainly do need the help.

Ah, it's a strange old world. So much different to when I was a young lad.

All we ever had back then to worry about was Vietnam, and look how well that turned out.

Cheers,
Viking

[husaberg]

Post #460

Husaberg:

Not really no again I asked for the changes to the british story you suggested had occured, not many if any of that list actually fit that brief now do they
so maybe stick to the origional question. Using quotes of what the british officials have said that were later contricted by other british officials. Also add in the source of the information. Then we will have something sufficent.

================================================== ==================

Afternoon. I was tied up this morning (figuratively speaking), so your reply has had to wait.

Right-o !
It took me long enough to search for and find many of the various articles again, so 'No', I'm not
going to repeat my search looking for and making individual attribution.

It's totally your choice whether you read what I posted, and whether you accept or reject the
points that were listed.

Because, Husaberg, at the end of the day:

One might well argue that the majority of the related articles published via UK main newspapers - and replicated across foreign news media - constitutes "communication" to the wider public. Whether it be "official" or not.

People are not naive enough to expect UK authorities to have documented this whole saga via "official" political statements (unless of course it reflected positively on them). The authorities must always preserve some measure of official deniability.

Just for my understanding, when Boris was interviewed and he "misled" us about the provenance (still unproven) of the Novichuk used in the alleged Skripal poisoning , was that an "official" UK communication ?

And when he was then caught out, did he ever issue any "official" retraction or clarification, either within the UK Parliament or through the UK media ? I may well have missed that news.

Well viking i am not the one that suggested that the official British story provided by the british authorities had changed now was I. That was you.

So if the Russians have had to "keep changing their story", well, the obvious

answer is that it has been in response to the ever changing story-line provided by the UK authorities. .
So unless you are able to corroborate that with actual examples that are sourced and are not just based on your opinion.
The suggestion that now you should include journalists listing possible theorys as being part of the official british story is laughable. It also smacks of desperation on your part.
All i can say is what you said was your opinion that you are not able to corroborate at all. Actually all these statements above, including your reasoning for them are your opinion only.
When you are able to provide statements to back up your assertions then you might have something. until then you have nothing to back up what you said other than your notion that what you thought they might meant or said have happened.

[Viking01]

Well viking i am not the one that suggested that the official British story had changed now was I. That was you.
So unless you are able to corroborate that with actual examples that are sourced and are not just based on your opinion.
The suggestion that now you should include journalists listing possible theorys as being part of the official british story is laughable. It also smacks of desiration on your part.
All i can say is what you said was your opinion that you are not able to corroborate at all. Actually all these statements above, including your reasoning for them are your opinion only.
When you are able to provide statements to back up your assertions then you might have something. until then you have nothing to back up what you said other than your notion that what you thought they might meant or said have happened.



Your opinion.

[husaberg]

Your opinion.
But sadly thats the only opinion that could be reached from reading what you wrote as the second attempt at a question.
If you believe you are right show me where what you wrote is backed by statements made by the UK authorities.:lol:



Just for my understanding, when Boris was interviewed and he "misled" us about the provenance (still unproven) of the Novichuk used in the alleged Skripal poisoning , was that an "official" UK communication ?




One might well argue that the majority of the related articles published via UK main newspapers - and replicated across foreign news media - constitutes "communication" to the wider public. Whether it be "official" or not.

You said UK Authorites changed their stories so no you cant argue that point.
Here is your quote below.



So if the Russians have had to "keep changing their story", well, the obvious answer is that it has been in response to the ever changing story-line provided by the UK authorities.
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[Viking01]

But sadly thats the only opinion that could be reached from reading what you wrote as the second attempt at a question.
If you believe you are right show me where what you wrote is backed by statements made by the UK authorities.:lol:

You said UK Authorites changed their stories so no you cant argue that point.
Here is your quote below.


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Is Boris (as the UK Foreign Minister) not a sufficient British authority in this respect ?

can I not at least rely on one of those bastions of the British press, the Guardian, for
reliable reporting ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2018/apr/04/boris-johnson-absolutely-categorial-novichok-was-made-in-russia-video

Or the German state owned newspaper, Deutsche Welle ?

http://www.dw.com/en/boris-johnson-accused-of-making-misleading-russia-novichok-claim-in-dw-interview/a-43251856

I'd post up a YouTube link as well, but it points to a Russia Today (RT) video clip.

Perhaps you could point me to the fountain of knowledge (on this saga) - to which I
should henceforth refer - so that I don't transgress in the future ?

Cheers,
Viking

[husaberg]

Is Boris (as the UK Foreign Minister) not a sufficient British authority in this respect ?

can I not at least rely on one of those bastions of the British press, the Guardian, for
reliable reporting ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2018/apr/04/boris-johnson-absolutely-categorial-novichok-was-made-in-russia-video

Or the German state owned newspaper, Deutsche Welle ?

http://www.dw.com/en/boris-johnson-accused-of-making-misleading-russia-novichok-claim-in-dw-interview/a-43251856

I'd post up a YouTube link as well, but it points to a Russia Today (RT) video clip.

Perhaps you could point me to the fountain of knowledge (on this saga) - to which I
should henceforth refer - so that I don't transgress in the future ?

Cheers,
Viking

So show me where he changed his stance, the home secretary clarified what he had meant to say. this was made in a public statement a short ime after.
So now then show me how this accounts multiple changes of a story you accused the UK authorities of and for the multiple deniles from russia that Novichok didn't exist, No such name was ever used, then was actually destroyed, was never made in Russia, was never made in the USSR, couldn't have been used, wasn't used, the actual poison was BZ etc etc etc.
remember you said a ever changing story line provided by UK officials.....

[Viking01]

So show me where he changed his stance, the home secretary clarified what he had meant to say. this was made in a public statement a short ime after.
So now then show me how this accounts multiple changes of a story you accused the UK authorities of and for the multiple deniles from russia that Novichok didn't exist, No such name was ever used, then was actually destroyed, was never made in Russia, was never made in the USSR, couldn't have been used, wasn't used, the actual poison was BZ etc etc etc.
remember you said a ever changing story line provided by UK officials.....


Look, if we can't rely on the UK Guardian for honest reporting on the UK Foreign Minister,
it really is a sad state of affairs. I mean, the headline says it all.

Denial(s) ? I checked with my older son, and he assures me that there is only one Nile,
and that's in Egypt. Not in Russia. I've checked on the Atlas just to make sure.

Thank you for your kind invitation to discuss conspiracy stories about the Russians, but
I'm a little busy at the moment. Another time, maybe.

Cheers,
Viking

[Katman]

Look, if we can't rely on the UK Guardian for honest reporting on the UK Foreign Minister,
it really is a sad state of affairs. I mean, the headline says it all.

Denial(s) ? I checked with my older son, and he assures me that there is only one Nile,
and that's in Egypt. Not in Russia. I've checked on the Atlas just to make sure.

Thank you for your kind invitation to discuss conspiracy stories about the Russians, but
I'm a little busy at the moment. Another time, maybe.

Cheers,
Viking

Trust me, you're arguing with Kiwibiker's very own village idiot.

You should try something a little more rewarding - like....:brick:

[husaberg]

Look, if we can't rely on the UK Guardian for honest reporting on the UK Foreign Minister,
it really is a sad state of affairs. I mean, the headline says it all.

Denial(s) ? I checked with my older son, and he assures me that there is only one Nile,
and that's in Egypt. Not in Russia. I've checked on the Atlas just to make sure.

Thank you for your kind invitation to discuss conspiracy stories about the Russians, but
I'm a little busy at the moment. Another time, maybe.

Cheers,
Viking
did you read the actual statement from the ministry? Headlines are for selling newspapers they don't provide the full story unless you are Katman
or just the guardian reporters opinion. Most people would concur the answer to the official UK version is in the statements.
I can see why you would not want to discuss the Russian officials changes of story, that could take weeks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Trust me, you're arguing with Kiwibiker's very own village idiot.

You should try something a little more rewarding - like....:brick:

Lol. Fuck me. I reckon. Viking has already gathered he's dealing with a fuckwit. Think he's enjoying proving it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And just like that, Glenn's post quoting me has gone. He'll no doubt be applying edit # 400685

Meantime...

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[oldrider]

THE PEOPLE OF SYRIA ARE SPEAKING OUT AGAINST MEDIA REPORTS THAT SUGGEST ASSAD HAS PLANTED INFORMANTS TO DENY THE ALLEGED CHEMICAL ATTACK IN DOUMA.

Source link:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=iD9C9koRmro
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[Katman]

Unfortunately for pete what we were discussing at that time was the Skripal poisoning that was clearly spelled out numerous times to him.
So go find another excuse.
Or just be like Pete and continue to try and pretend he wasn't proved to be both epically wrong and a total hypocrite.

Fuck off back to page 26 and have another read.

Crasher was not drawn into the Skripal discussion.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck off back to page 26 and have another read.

Crasher was not drawn into the Skripal discussion.

Lol. It's taking him a while to grasp that eh. Hardly surprising. Been fucking funny watching him puffing his chest out and claiming superiority, whilst not actually realising I wasn't responding because I was never involved.

Give 'em enough rope and all that.

[oldrider]

Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html#ixzz5DN4KN8vA Do not as I do - just do as I say? :Oops:

[jasonu]

Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html#ixzz5DN4KN8vA Do not as I do - just do as I say? :Oops:

Just cause it is on the internet doesn't make it automatically true.

[oldrider]

Just cause it is on the internet doesn't make it automatically true.

True! - Only you can decide what you think is true or not - the internet is nothing more than another information source for me. :shifty: Handy one though! :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck off back to page 26 and have another read.

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He's gone pretty quiet eh!

[Viking01]

Morning.

I see on Sputnik this morning that Macron has been busy again, giving an
interview and stating just how important it is that the US remains in Syria
after Daesh (ISIS) has been defeated. [ I didn't see any mention of it on
the front page of France 24, since he seemed to instead be busy arguing
with his friend Trump about tariffs and a trade war. ]

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804221063800226-macron-daesh-us-france-syria/

Anyway, when you look at just how successful the US has been in helping
Iraq recover (after that "unfortunate little episode" back in 2003), well, you
can maybe see where he's coming from.

And he even acknowledges that "all our allies in the region" - even Russia
and Turkey - will have an important part to play in creating a new Syria.
[ But not the Iranians. They're still on the outer.]

At least he did not forget the Syrian people. They received a mention as well.

However, I did notice elsewhere that not everyone was quite so convinced,
and one cynic had abbreviated the French, UK and US coalition in Syria to
F.UK.US. [ This wasn't an "official" communication, just to dispel any doubt ].

Cheers,
Viking

[oldrider]

"US defeating ISIS"? - has to be the biggest scam comment in history! - could all just fuck off and leave Syria alone again - like they were for centuries without them! :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

The Dire Threat of Israeli Zionist Control Over America? - Worth a listen? :confused: - Interesting? :yes: - Just which tail is really wagging the dog? :corn:

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[Voltaire]

So my understanding of the situation is:

Husaberg likes to post lots ( and lots) of links and quotes

Katman does not like Husaberg posting lots of links and quotes and suggests he goes away.

Viking ( really) likes typing.

Old Rider is not too keen on Israel

Crasher likes Labour....oh wait thats a different thread

[oldrider]

So my understanding of the situation is:

Husaberg likes to post lots ( and lots) of links and quotes

Katman does not like Husaberg posting lots of links and quotes and suggests he goes away.

Viking ( really) likes typing.

Old Rider is not too keen on Israel

Crasher likes Labour....oh wait thats a different thread

Old Rider is not too keen on Israel? - Not exactly true - oldrider finds Israeli involvement very very interesting and usually sees them involved as a shadowy common denominator in most conflict.

[oldrider]

Snipers ordered to shoot Gaza children, Israeli general confirms https://www.davidicke.com/article/471049/snipers-ordered-shoot-gaza-children-israeli-general-confirms - Where is Donald and his missiles of vengeance when you need him? :scratch:

Bibi's reaction to shooting children in Gaza? https://www.davidicke.com/article/466510/benjamin-netanyahu-praises-israeli-troops-day-kill-16-palestinian-protesters-border-clashes-dozens-injured-second-day-violence

[Crasherfromwayback]

Snipers ordered to shoot Gaza children, Israeli general confirms https://www.davidicke.com/article/471049/snipers-ordered-shoot-gaza-children-israeli-general-confirms - Where is Donald and his missiles of vengeance when you need him? :scratch:

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[oldrider]

Pentagon says there is no U S military activity” in Syria’s Homs province - Really? :corn:

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TheGMMuk
Published on 18 Apr 2018
I agree with everything this chap says. Israel & the Zionist NeoCons are behind all this mayhem in the Middle East. The truth is the US, UK, France, along with Canada, Germany & Australia are OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. Politicians in these countries serve Israel's interests first & foremost. This is why all this chaos & carnage is occurring. There is no other explanation.

However, here's another scenario for the recent US, UK, Franco bombing raid in Syria, I'm not saying I'm 100% certain of this but when you stop & think about it, look how many dots connect. What if Trump, Putin & Assad actually worked together on this? What real damage did this attack cause? I believe the prospect of the US & Russian military operating within a hair's breath of each other only served to galvanise opposition to more military intervention. As a result, could this attack have been a bluff simply to get the Zionist NeoCons & the US media off Trumps back? Surely if the Americans wanted to inflict some serious damage to Assad, they could have done so.

[Viking01]

https://southfront.org/washington-is-the-principal-puppet-master-behind-syrian-conflict-syrian-ambassador-to-china/