Why not to leave your bike running while filling up

[onearmedbandit]

Lucky there were people there to save his arse...

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Apparently he had the filler on the autolock mode, obviously this didn't shut off.

[AllanB]

It's just God eliminating another of his stupid children from the planet.

[jellywrestler]

It's just God eliminating another of his stupid children from the planet.

put another Hog on the fire.....

[mulletman]

His ride his rules...

[varminter]

Flamin' heck!

[awayatc]

Shit hot........

probably burned his bridges to....

[Shaun Harris]

Lucky there were people there to save his arse...


Apparently he had the filler on the autolock mode, obviously this didn't shut off.




Putting the fuel in the tank would have been better than spraying it on the hot motor and exhaust, but guess petrol is as cheap as over there any way

[Paul in NZ]

Bro - I hotted up my bike.....

[nudemetalz]

"...putting out the fire with gasoline...putting out the fire...with gasoline..."

[Banditbandit]

I always wanted flames down the side of my harley ..

[EJK]

And that's how Ghost Rider was born.

[awa355]

Beats weaving down the road trying to get the tyre's warmed up.

[Oakie]

Got told by Mr Grumpy at a BP servo today "Next time, don't sit on your bike when you refuel. There's signs out there saying not to". Thought he would have been more concerned about me not taking my helmet off in the shop so I was somewhat taken aback. Wavered on the point of thanking him for his concern "but it's not illegal so I'll carry on that way" but let it pass. Just.

[onearmedbandit]

Got told by Mr Grumpy at a BP servo today "Next time, don't sit on your bike when you refuel. There's signs out there saying not to". Thought he would have been more concerned about me not taking my helmet off in the shop so I was somewhat taken aback. Wavered on the point of thanking him for his concern "but it's not illegal so I'll carry on that way" but let it pass. Just.

Their reason for that is they consider it easy for you to lose your balance or slip on diesel on the forecourt. I always get off my bike. Refuse to take my helmet off, I just point at the lack of left arm and get the sympathy vote ha.

[jonnyk5614]

Got told by Mr Grumpy at a BP servo today "Next time, don't sit on your bike when you refuel. There's signs out there saying not to". Thought he would have been more concerned about me not taking my helmet off in the shop so I was somewhat taken aback. Wavered on the point of thanking him for his concern "but it's not illegal so I'll carry on that way" but let it pass. Just.

I always stay on the bike and no-one has ever moaned. I want the bike horizontal so I can brim the tank.
I always put the kickstand out though so that if something went tits up, I could jump straight off the bike and not drop it.

[R650R]

Maybe he'll buy a more advanced bike that burns the fuel inside the engine instead of in the exhausts....

I really don't see the attraction of refuelling the bike while sitting on it. Is it some kind of metrosexual erotica having all that potential kinetic energy pumping through that pipe in your hand.... or is the desire to get penis cancer from soaking in the fumes.
Whether its the cage or bike I'm always making a point of standing upwind of the fumes emanating...

[Oakie]

I really don't see the attraction of refuelling the bike while sitting on it. Is it some kind of metrosexual erotica having all that potential kinetic energy pumping through that pipe in your hand.... or is the desire to get penis cancer from soaking in the fumes.

You get a bit more fuel in. I told Mr Grumpy that it meant I could put another litre in. Don't know if it is true but I'm sure I geta bit more in. He said I'd be sorry if I got it on my pants. I probably would but it would probably take a pump malfunction and slow reactions for that to happen.

And as for penis cancer ... well if it means extra cells down there that means it'll get bigger so yeah ... how bad can it be!

[Swoop]

Another example that confirms that "95% of harley's are still on the road, the rest made it home"...

[Moise]

There's something about the idea of sitting on a bike filling a petrol tank between my legs that doesn't appeal...

And anyway you have to get off the bike to pay for the fuel.

[Oakie]

Perhaps it is a sexual thing? Subconsciously putting that large nozzle into that inviting hole and filling it with your 'essence'. (The French speakers out there will appreciate the pun).

[varminter]

If you fill the bike upright then stick it on the side stand to pay/fart/ scratch your arse etc does the petrol spill over the side?

[Oakie]

If you fill the bike upright then stick it on the side stand to pay/fart/ scratch your arse etc does the petrol spill over the side?

No. Damn you! Now when I wake up at 3am tomorrow morning, the question that will run through my mind is why it doesn't spill. Is it the petrol cap ... or is it that you really don't get any more in filling upright?

[manxkiwi]

Wow, that was way more spectacular than I though it was going to be!

I also get to use my favourite comment of 'f'ing brain donor'.

Mods: I see a quote previously including the video, I got flamed recently for making that mistake (unknowingly). Is it OK now?

[onearmedbandit]

Mods: I see a quote previously including the video, I got flamed recently for making that mistake (unknowingly). Is it OK now?

It's Shaun, can't teach him anything. I fixed it.

[awa355]

There's something about the idea of sitting on a bike filling a petrol tank between my legs that doesn't appeal...

And anyway you have to get off the bike to pay for the fuel.

With all the drive off thefts these days, most pump attendants would be fairly suspicious of a rider sitting on the bike, helmet on and filling the tank.

[Big Dog]

With all the drive off thefts these days, most pump attendants would be fairly suspicious of a rider sitting on the bike, helmet on and filling the tank.
Especially true if the engine is running.

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[Big Dog]

No. Damn you! Now when I wake up at 3am tomorrow morning, the question that will run through my mind is why it doesn't spill. Is it the petrol cap ... or is it that you really don't get any more in filling upright?
If you really want to be awake nights... track your fuel efficiency for a month of brimming and compare to a month of filling to the bottom of your filler spout on the stand.

It may not be as true with fuel injected bikes but carbed bikes supposedly run a little lean until the breather house is cleared. You subconsciously compensate.

I was suspicious when caltex told me this and tracked my kms and compared as above on my GSX1100F.

Turns out the fuel company was right.
I was buying an extra 500ml per tank but range was not reflective.
I was not travelling any further for the extra 8 litres.

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[Moise]

If you really want to be awake nights... track your fuel efficiency for a month of brimming and compare to a month of filling to the bottom of your filler spout on the stand.

It may not be as true with fuel injected bikes but carbed bikes supposedly run a little lean until the breather house is cleared. You subconsciously compensate.

I was suspicious when caltex told me this and tracked my kms and compared as above on my GSX1100F.

Turns out the fuel company was right.
I was buying an extra 500ml per tank but range was not reflective.
I was not travelling any further for the extra 8 litres.

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If I have trouble sleeping tonight, I know who to blame!

[p.dath]

I always stay on the bike and no-one has ever moaned. I want the bike horizontal so I can brim the tank.
I always put the kickstand out though so that if something went tits up, I could jump straight off the bike and not drop it.

Ah, wouldn't you want the bike to be as vertical as possible? If you brimmed it and then used the kick stand wouldn't fuel then spill out?

[jonnyk5614]

Ah, wouldn't you want the bike to be as vertical as possible? If you brimmed it and then used the kick stand wouldn't fuel then spill out?

I close the cap before I tilt the bike onto its stand....


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[onearmedbandit]

I close the cap before I tilt the bike onto its stand....


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Apparently it will still just run out the overflow (look underneath the petrol flap, you'll see a tiny hole).

[jonnyk5614]

There is an overflow the other side of the tank seal.
I.e. Overfill while filling, gas goes on road not your lap. It won't go down this overflow with the cap closed


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[onearmedbandit]

There is an overflow the other side of the tank seal.
I.e. Overfill while filling, gas goes on road not your lap. It won't go down this overflow with the cap closed



Good point, wasn't thinking properly. Happens when you haven't ridden for a month.

[p.dath]

I close the cap before I tilt the bike onto its stand....


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Wouldn't it still tend to run out the overflow pipe?

[awa355]

What are you going to gain by squeezing a last 200ml in? ;)

[p.dath]

There is an overflow the other side of the tank seal.
I.e. Overfill while filling, gas goes on road not your lap. It won't go down this overflow with the cap closed


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Yes, there may be an overflow there, but as fuel is used from your tank there is a breather pipe to let air back in. It should go to the top of the inside of your tank (it must go there to let the air back in). If you hold the bike vertical, fill to the brim, put on the cap, and then put your bike on its side stand to go and pay I don't see anywhere for the extra petrol to go but down the breather tube.

I guess if the amount of petrol above the breather tube is not very much and the breather tube is long enough then the excess petrol might just spill into the breather tube and not run out. If you are really lucky as the bike starts to consume fuel if might suck that petrol back in again (rather than air). If you are unlucky and the fuel expands faster than it is used then it should push the excess petrol out the breather tube a short time later.

I don't think using the breather tube to hold spare fuel is a good idea.

[pete-blen]

Got told by Mr Grumpy at a BP servo today "Next time, don't sit on your bike when you refuel. There's signs out there saying not to". Thought he would have been more concerned about me not taking my helmet off in the shop so I was somewhat taken aback. Wavered on the point of thanking him for his concern "but it's not illegal so I'll carry on that way" but let it pass. Just.


lost count of how meany times I have been grumped at for keeping the helmet on..

but buy the time I walk into the shop I already have the gas in the bike...
what the fuck can they do.... refuse to take my money...
and there little signs don't make it law of the land...

So I will keep doing it...



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[Oakie]

What are you going to gain by squeezing a last 200ml in? ;)

About 3 km in my case.

[p.dath]

Wahoo, this looks like fun.
http://motorbikewriter.com/how-to-fill-your-motorcycle-tank/

[J.A.W.]

lost count of how meany times I have been grumped at for keeping the helmet on..

but buy the time I walk into the shop I already have the gas in the bike...
what the fuck can they do.... refuse to take my money...
and there little signs don't make it law of the land...

So I will keep doing it...



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Yeah, I remind those pricks.. that I am a paying customer, so bloody well cut that crap..
& then add, that if I was in fact there to do mayhem, their poor attitude would guarantee a hiding, to be going on with..

[Old Steve]

I put the side stand down, get off my bike and then use my right hip to hold it upright, fill it to the bottom of the fill tube, rest it back on the side stand and then put the fuel cap back on. No spill, no overflow from the overflow tube, and I definitely put a bit more fuel in than filling it with the bike leaning on the side stand.

Then I go in and pay wearing my modular helmet, flip the front up though, and have never been grumped at. But I agree, what are they going to do? Refuse to take my money?

[onearmedbandit]

I never knew there was such a science (not aimed at anyone in particular) in filling your tank. Me? I just fill it until it's full enough then pay. An extra 300ml or a litre less than last time doesn't bother me.

[rastuscat]

put another Hog on the fire.....

Gold !!!!!! Loving it. Bill and Boyd at their cotton pickin best.

[J.A.W.]

Gold !!!!!! Loving it. Bill and Boyd at their cotton pickin best.

Those sexist bastards.. bet that song is on the Radio National banned list.. & don't get me bloody well started on Ches & Dale.. L.O.L...

[R650R]

Nearly had my own video to join this fellas club last night.
Ran the DR on vapours over to training, stopped at gas station don't normally stop at, flicked the cashier a tenner and went to fill up.
Afterwards noticed the nozzle was slightly crooked.
Anyway it was one of those good 'fast' pumps except I wasn't expecting it and being a bit tired I must have had the crooked nozzle aimed at the spine of the tank inside. Half of my $10 ended up on the outside of the bike!
It must have looked good as the car behind me reversed away instead of driving past me!
On the plus side the left side of the bike is damn clean now!!!

[Flip]

Little fires around the filler happens more often than you expect. Happens usually with women drivers. Static electricity in the vapour around the filler causes a little flash fire which usually goes out. The servos dont want you sitting on your bike because you normally back away then there is a small fire between your legs and the bike falls over then they have a bigger fire to put out.

The reason they dont want you talking on the phone is the chance of being distracted in an area where there are vehicles coming and going greately increases your chance of a spill or ped vs vehicle accident.

Anyway its their place of business and the site management has every legal and moral right to manage risk as they see fit on their site.

If you were stupid enough to do some thing (on video) that resulted in say a major fire at a service station, well let me say the oil companies have very deep legal pockets.

[Tazz]

The reason they dont want you talking on the phone is the chance of being distracted in an area where there are vehicles coming and going greately increases your chance of a spill or ped vs vehicle accident.

That is incorrect.

They are listed as ignition sources and fire hazards for theories related to an unexplained (at the time) explosion some two decades ago from memory, or maybe just the theories.

That distraction thing has been tacked on later in the game, but it all still comes under laws, rules and regulations related to fire codes and other equally exciting paperwork.

[PrincessBandit]

I just kill the ignition, get off, fill, pay, get on, ride away. I didn't know it was all meant to be so complicated!

[Tazz]

I just kill the ignition, get off, fill, pay, get on, ride away. I didn't know it was all meant to be so complicated!

Da faq! No pies? You're doing it all wrong.

[awa355]

If you were stupid enough to do some thing (on video) that resulted in say a major fire at a service station, well let me say the oil companies have very deep legal pockets.

But then you would have your own you tube video, You could be world famous on KB. ;)

As the chinaman says, 'Spray, pay and ride awaaaye',

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[R650R]

If you were stupid enough to do some thing (on video) that resulted in say a major fire at a service station, well let me say the oil companies have very deep legal pockets.

So do most motorists insurance companies...
Although we take it for granted they are; allowing people to handle a very dangerous product with no special training, no specific training on what to do in an emergency. There is no site induction process, no check on is the person a suitable candidate to handle said product, no check to see if the receptacle is safe to receive.
And on top of all that for site personal (in all the above I'm referring to joe public) the actual staff they hire are likely lowly educated and paid the minimum wage they can get away with, and likely scan more training than the public.
In fact the only reason why OSH isn't on their case is the self interest of the OSH staff knowing such proper procedures would make the shit even more expensive.
Given the volume stored on site in close proximity theres no reason why the public handling the petrol should be any less trained or scrutinized than the tanker drivers who deliver it.

I do chuckle everytime at the stickers on pump that say warning 'suspected carcinogen'..... it either is or it isn't....

[Oakie]

So do most motorists insurance companies...
Although we take it for granted they are; allowing people to handle a very dangerous product with no special training, no specific training on what to do in an emergency. There is no site induction process, no check on is the person a suitable candidate to handle said product, no check to see if the receptacle is safe to receive.
And on top of all that for site personal (in all the above I'm referring to joe public) the actual staff they hire are likely lowly educated and paid the minimum wage they can get away with, and likely scan more training than the public.
In fact the only reason why OSH isn't on their case is the self interest of the OSH staff knowing such proper procedures would make the shit even more expensive.
Given the volume stored on site in close proximity theres no reason why the public handling the petrol should be any less trained or scrutinized than the tanker drivers who deliver it. ..

Interesting points.

[FJRider]

What really makes me laugh ... is when some dude or dudess .. puts their bike on the main stand to fill (to the brim) ... then parks said bike on the side stand for the next hour in the hot sun while they have lunch. They return to their pride and joy ... that has now a small puddle of petrol underneath ... and can't figure out why.

[Flip]

That is incorrect.

They are listed as ignition sources and fire hazards for theories related to an unexplained (at the time) explosion some two decades ago from memory, or maybe just the theories.

That distraction thing has been tacked on later in the game, but it all still comes under laws, rules and regulations related to fire codes and other equally exciting paperwork.

And a hot spark ignition motor is not?

The hazardous zone wiring regs were written by a committee.

[Flip]

So do most motorists insurance companies...
Although we take it for granted they are; allowing people to handle a very dangerous product with no special training, no specific training on what to do in an emergency. There is no site induction process, no check on is the person a suitable candidate to handle said product, no check to see if the receptacle is safe to receive.
And on top of all that for site personal (in all the above I'm referring to joe public) the actual staff they hire are likely lowly educated and paid the minimum wage they can get away with, and likely scan more training than the public.
In fact the only reason why OSH isn't on their case is the self interest of the OSH staff knowing such proper procedures would make the shit even more expensive.
Given the volume stored on site in close proximity theres no reason why the public handling the petrol should be any less trained or scrutinized than the tanker drivers who deliver it.

I do chuckle everytime at the stickers on pump that say warning 'suspected carcinogen'..... it either is or it isn't....

The volumes are small, the fuel delivery equipment is designed to reduce as much risk as possible and a motor car is not technically a source of ignition, but a cellphone is?

Yes they do seek damages even if you drive off with the fuel dispencer is still in your cars fill point.

[Tazz]

And a hot spark ignition motor is not?

The hazardous zone wiring regs were written by a committee.

A hot spark ignition is not what? Distracting? :laugh:

From my understanding it was a knee jerk reaction that is now easier to leave in place than remove.

[R650R]

The volumes are small, the fuel delivery equipment is designed to reduce as much risk as possible and a motor car is not technically a source of ignition, but a cellphone is?

Yes they do seek damages even if you drive off with the fuel dispencer is still in your cars fill point.

Lets pretend we lived in some bullshit greenie utopia with only electric cars but petrol as a chemical was available for some other pertinent unknown purpose, maybe witch burning goes mainstream or something.
Anyway in such bizzaro world would the relevant retailer be allowed to sell such potent liquefied calamity Bin Inn style help your self with a drive thru setup?????
Even the sale and distribution of fireworks with less bang per insert relevant measuarement are more regulated....

[Berries]

Got told by Mr Grumpy at a BP servo today "Next time, don't sit on your bike when you refuel. There's signs out there saying not to". Thought he would have been more concerned about me not taking my helmet off in the shop so I was somewhat taken aback. Wavered on the point of thanking him for his concern "but it's not illegal so I'll carry on that way" but let it pass. Just.
Yeah, BP are like that down here. I used the local one for years then one day Mr Mosgiel Grumpy told me I had to get off to fill it up. Never been back. I am genuinely interested in how many incidents there have been to cause this great concern. BP were never bothered about the helmet, unlike the old Shell. Once they wouldn't sell me a sandwich while I had my helmet on even though I was holding out cash. I don't know if Z are the same, I use Mobil now.

I have found that the less services the service station provides the less interested they are in making you get off or remove your lid. That's fine with me, and probably explains why I don't get the same issue out of own. Probably explains why Mobil is my preference as well because they don't fuck about with coffee, donuts or flowers.