Just a Theory

[manuboy]

Just found out a friend of mine has hed their home theatre system nicked. Said person (person X) owned said item for a term less than 9 days. This is the 2nd time X's dwelling has been forcibly entered and had hard earned posessions pillaged.

X lives in an area of christchurch often described as a high crime area (take your fricken pick), and is surrounded by neighbours you wouldn't want turning up to your open home unless you wanted them wandering off with a mental floor plan and a method of entry devised less than 40 seconds after they leave the section.

So the stubby finger of blame is currently pointed at the unemployed constantly alcohol soaked waste of space louts person X calls neighbours. And it could have been. Easy enough to see a couple of new boxes getting carted into a house.

I'm not much into the "crim scene". But last year when my xbox went the way of the "qik flick for a qik p hit", i started wondering. Whats to say you walk into a video store and hire a game. The dude behind the counter notes the rental, and later looks up all your details. Sweet. You're on the list. You will be receiving a visit.

My mate buys a new home entertainment system and bang, the shop salesperson whacks them on the list.

I mentioned this in the office today and people thought i was crazy. Why? It doesn't seem that far out. You are relying on and trusting in a range of people to keep your details to themselves. No doubt there'd be a whole bunch of policies regarding this in the workplace if you had access to valuable information, but hey! It's really only cutting out the middle man for your average thief. Why break and enter chancing what you'll find, when you can target homes knowing exactly what you'll get.

Person X is now wondering the same thing i am, and is probably not going the replace the items on insurance until a security system is sussed.

Which raises a Q for me. Anybody here that has a relatively informed opinion can you tell me... security systems. Some better than others. But the majority of the time, they go off in our area so often everybody ignores them. The monitoring people normally take 20-25 minutes to arrive, ample time to clear out with the goods. I'm in favour of a dog. We have one. Hes getting to a good size now, and he's got a pretty impressive bark. We leave him in the front room where he gazes out to the driveway until we come home. He's already bailed up one visitor (about 1 month after my xbox went missing.... insurance check anyone??). Whats better...an expensive alarm or a walking barking deterrent? ( and a best mate to boot :-) )

[James Deuce]

That happened to me and half a dozen workmates in 1990. The then Manager at Noel Leeming's in the Hutt went to jail. The house got cleaned out twice and the car once, all within 6 weeks.

There is nothing you can do to secure your house.

The monitoring people deliberately turn up after that time limit to avoid a potential assault charge from the perp. I have friends at Chubb.

The dog is good for amateur thieves, but a pro will bring meat, a crossbow, or a big lump of wood if he's cased the place properly.

Just pay your insurance premiums.

[ManDownUnder]

A little of both.

Something we did was get the Insurance Co to recommend an alarm system to us (and we got a 30% discount as part of the process...).

It's good for you AND good for the Ins. Co.

Chances are the bod that nicked the gear the first time, was the one that came back for the new stuff. It's common practice as they can case the joint while they're in htere first time up, then come back after 6 weeks or so when they know the new stuff will have been delivered.

Get a big dog and train it to eat human testicles...

[Sniper]

It makes sense manuboy. It makes perfect sense and Im sure there are people who do that.

[manuboy]

That happened to me and half a dozen workmates in 1990. The then Manager at Noel Leeming's in the Hutt went to jail. The house got cleaned out twice and the car once, all within 6 weeks.

There is nothing you can do to secure your house.

The monitoring people deliberately turn up after that time limit to avoid a potential assault charge from the perp. I have friends at Chubb.

The dog is good for amateur thieves, but a pro will bring meat, a crossbow, or a big lump of wood if he's cased the place properly.

Just pay your insurance premiums.

So were you pretty pissed at the time, or did you just decide it wasn't worth the anger once it had happened again (and again)? X was angry the first time, more resigned this time... which is probably the sad thing...


Get a big dog and train it to eat human testicles...

LMAO... yeah, but we all know these days the crim would end up with a taxpayer funded holiday in a private hospital with better feeds than i get, my dog would be shot and i'd be had up... i only want the dog to deter (then run away - i could handle my shit getting nicked by some loser, but not my dog getting brained)

[ManDownUnder]

LMAO... yeah, but we all know these days the crim would end up with a taxpayer funded holiday in a private hospital with better feeds than i get, my dog would be shot and i'd be had up... i only want the dog to deter (then run away - i could handle my shit getting nicked by some loser, but not my dog getting brained)

But the knowledge that his balls were now dogshit would be woirth it I think... I'd find it, scoop it up and fertilise a tree with it just so I could point at it and tell him - a bit of that wood is made from your balls

A permanent reminder of sorts...

(not that I'm sadistic at all).

Maybe you could take a photo of the tree and post it to him... every month or so

[jrandom]

solution.

dangle the bait in the usual fashion. big cardboard boxes from a noel leeming delivery truck or something. whatever gets the natives drooling.

curtains open all night, lights off. doss down in kitchen with firearm of choice.

word will soon get aorund.

[manuboy]

solution.

dangle the bait in the usual fashion. big cardboard boxes from a noel leeming delivery truck or something. whatever gets the natives drooling.

curtains open all night, lights off. doss down in kitchen with firearm of choice.

word will soon get aorund.

Yeah i've thought of that. Most people that arrive home to find their drawers on the floor and shit lying everywhere - apart from the stuff that would be lying somewhere if it wasn't already on a shelf at StolenGoods-R-Us have probably thought of that... it's not a hard solution to come up with - the solution to the problem that arrises from that solution is the one thats harder to solut-a-rise.

i.e. when the lads arrive they arrest the crims for - i dunno, criminal behaviour in general, then they arrest you for any number of reasons... i say that because i don't know what they would be but i bet they exist and that there'd be more than one of them... especially if said weapon was unlicensed.

My favourite untested / untried solution? (WINJA MODE)

TAKE THE CRIMS, AND SUB THEM FOR SOME LUCKY ANIMAL DOWN AT THE TESTING LAB. HEY LABRADOR PUPPY, YOU ARE NOW HOME FREE. CRIM #1, HERE'S A SHOT OF A NICE STRAIN OF EXPERIMENTAL __INSERT DISEASE HERE__. YOU CAN EXPECT ABOUT TWELVE DAYS OF EXTREME PAIN / LOSS OF SITE AND BOWEL CONTROL. BUT THEN IT'll ALL GO AWAY. ENJOY!

Problem being i guess the same as the death penalty - a real crapper if you got the wrong guy.

Anyway, i didn't wanna harp on about the general criminal justice system, just wondered about organised breakins as a result of a purchase really.

[James Deuce]

So were you pretty pissed at the time, or did you just decide it wasn't worth the anger once it had happened again (and again)? X was angry the first time, more resigned this time... which is probably the sad thing...

(snip)

It wasn't worth any anger. It was just material possessions. I was sad when I got home and found it the first time, rather than angry.

Rang the cops for the first time ever and it took them 3 days to turn up after instructing me not to touch anything. The next two times I just got them to log the burglary and countersign the insurance claim. We put two and two together when we told people about it and found people in the same area who had HPs with the same branch of NL had been relieved of their possessions in similar fashion.

The only economic value your possessions have is in premiums to your Insurance company. The personal pleasure gained from them is incalculable, and why people would knowingly choose to hurt people like that is mystifying. Try stealing a mobile P lab some time and see how quickly you're hunted down.

[manuboy]

The only economic value your possessions have is in premiums to your Insurance company. The personal pleasure gained from them is incalculable, and why people would knowingly choose to hurt people like that is mystifying. Try stealing a mobile P lab some time and see how quickly you're hunted down.

Well, its just a guess, but i reckon it's because to us our posessions (to a point) have an intrinsic personal value.

To a runty little thief, you have, he doesn't.

I'm just guessing tho. I took the semi easy path and just got your basic ol 40 hour a week slavery-for-cash deal. It must be hard when life has dealt you some rough cards so instead of signing up for that, you opt out and take what isn't yours while invading others privacy in the worst sort of way - i mean, the guilt must really eat them up....

They have mobile P-labs? Excellent! How mobile?!? Like, you couldn't do a runner in one right?

"Yeah don't worry mate, if the cops turn up we've got K&N filters, nitrous and a 6 speed box..."

[WINJA]

I LIKE WHAT THAT JUDGE IN AMERICA DOES , AS REPERATION THE VICTIM GETS TO GO THRU THE CRIMS HOUSE AND PICK OUT WHAT HE WANTS TO 2 OR 3 TIMES THE VALUE THEY HAD KNICKED AND NO POSSECIONS OF THE CRIMS ARE SACRED , ID HAVE HIS PHOTO ALBUM AND SHIT ALL OVER HIS FAMILY PICS THEN WIPE MY ARSE WITH HIS MUMS PHOTO, ID HAVE HIS PASSPORT AND BURN THAT , CAUSE HIS CDS WOULD ALL BE GANGSTER RAP ID JUST SNAP THEM ALL SAME WITH HIS DVDS , IF HE HAS KIDS ID GET ALL THAT SPECIAL UNREPLACEABLE ART THAT KIDS GIVE THEIR DAD AND BURN IT , SAME WITH ALL HIS CHRISTMAS AND BIRTHDAY CARDS BURN THEM, ID HAVE HIS WEDDING BAND AND ALL HIS TROPHYS AND CERTIFICATES .ADD UP ALL THE STUFF ABOVE AND THE DOLLAR VALUE IS VERY LOW BUT FUCK IT WOULD HURT, THEN ID MOVE ONTO THINGS I WANNA KEEP.
APPARENTLY THE REPEAT OFFENDING WHEN THE JUDGE HANDS DOWN THIS SENTENCE IS ALMOST NONE

[myvice]

A prominent sign with small writhing that states;
"Thank you, your digital image has been sent to a remote server"
Paranoia is a wonderful tool.

[James Deuce]

A prominent sign with small writhing that states;
"Thank you, your digital image has been sent to a remote server"
Paranoia is a wonderful tool.

You're assuming literate burglars. I can say with some confidence that a number of recidivist burglars are not literate and have no desire to be. Nor are the lot that I'm thinking of particularly technology savvy.

[Storm]

Where do we sign the petition for that particular sentence to be brought in?

[myvice]

You're assuming literate burglars. I can say with some confidence that a number of recidivist burglars are not literate and have no desire to be. Nor are the lot that I'm thinking of particularly technology savvy.
Big, angery dog!
Or WINJA!

[James Deuce]

WINJA's girlfriend is scarier.

WINJA's mother is truly terrifying.

[manuboy]

As an update, X had a mate visit the neighbours last night (so there goes my theory in this case). The gear is sitting in their lounge. They have no curtains. I'm struggling to come to terms with the idiocy of these pricks! Or is it just their "who gives a fuck" attitude?

And the best part? Instead of going straight back to the cops, or getting a bunch of the lads to go round, X is trying to work out how to get their things back with the least chance of reprisals....

[Sniper]

I can come and help. I know a few "persuasive techniques"

[spudchucka]

A large dog with a good "fuck off" bark is worth ten alarms in my opinion. Monitored alarms are a joke and a waste of money. You'd be better off just having one of those boxes with the blue lights on the outside of your house so it looks like you have an alarm.

[manuboy]

A large dog with a good "fuck off" bark is worth ten alarms in my opinion. Monitored alarms are a joke and a waste of money. You'd be better off just having one of those boxes with the blue lights on the outside of your house so it looks like you have an alarm.

Sounds about right, we had to priveledge of paying our security company twice - once for a false alarm and once when the the place had been burlged (past tense by the time they showed up). Hey, at least the security guy made sure the gates were locked when he left...

And you can't teach a monitored alarm to catch a frisbee or swim out through a set of breakers to retrieve a stick.... nice!

[ManDownUnder]

A large dog with a good "fuck off" bark is worth ten alarms in my opinion. Monitored alarms are a joke and a waste of money. You'd be better off just having one of those boxes with the blue lights on the outside of your house so it looks like you have an alarm.

I prefer the ones with stealth... hide till it's too late - then bail the bastards up in the kitchen or something.

At the risk of repeating myself, or repeating myself, they should also have a healthy appetite, and a taste for testicles des hommes

That'd fix the bastards (literally too)
MDU

[Biff]

I've a small (ish) German Shepard cross Huntaway and a high fence. They wont see the dog but they'll hear the impressive bark and growl he can give out.

As for burgular alarms, as Jim says - you can break into any house if you really want to. However an opportunist thief will avoid any house with an alarm, even a false one, in order to move onto easier prey.

Scum.

[scumdog]

Any dog with a good savage bark is a good deterent.

Hidden camera facing the driveway is a good way to see who visits (won't stop the burg but you'll soon see if it IS the neighbours - and revenge is a dish best served cold)
Of course the burgs also know most people will claim insurance and buy NEW gear, so a few weeks later the low-lifes pay another visit...

[manuboy]

At the risk of repeating myself, or repeating myself, they should also have a healthy appetite, and a taste for testicles des hommes
MDU

According to my parole officer, theivery is (unlike thuggery) an equal opportunity career choice and we shouldn't sexually disciminate. So what's ya dog trained to do in the absence of said dangly bits i'd like to know?

[Sniper]

According to my parole officer, theivery is (unlike thuggery) an equal opportunity career choice and we shouldn't sexually disciminate. So what's ya dog trained to do in the absence of said dangly bits i'd like to know?

Using a stapler gun, staple the area closed?

[yungatart]

As an update, X had a mate visit the neighbours last night (so there goes my theory in this case). The gear is sitting in their lounge. They have no curtains. I'm struggling to come to terms with the idiocy of these pricks! Or is it just their "who gives a fuck" attitude?

And the best part? Instead of going straight back to the cops, or getting a bunch of the lads to go round, X is trying to work out how to get their things back with the least chance of reprisals....
My cousin got burgled (he is, shall we say, a rough diamond).They took his brand new video recorder minus the remote,and loads of other stuff. Some weeks later, after his insurance had paid out, he got wind of where his stuff was and paid a nice friendly visit with said remote in hand. Told the woman who answered that he was sure she'd be needing the remote, pushed passed her into the lounge, ripped video recorder out of the wall and proceeded to jump all over it. As he is a pretty big dude, it kinda trashed it. He gave her the remote and walked out, feeling very satisfied, justice had been done.

[WINJA]

WINJA's girlfriend is scarier.

WINJA's mother is truly terrifying.
MY MUMS SCARY ALRIGHT MY MATES WERE ALWAYS SCARED OF MY MUM , SHES BIG AND BLACK WITH A HUGE AFF , AND ALWAYS SAYS "COME HERE BOY SO I CAN SLAP YOUR FACE"
AS FOR MY GF SHES FUCKEN BEUATIFUL , UNLIKE THAT SLAPPER THAT YOU AND YOUR MATES SHAG , NO NOT YOUR MUM , THE OTHER ONE THAT WORKS AT THAT PLACE WHERE THEY BURN TAMPONS

[WINJA]

Any dog with a good savage bark is a good deterent.

Hidden camera facing the driveway is a good way to see who visits (won't stop the burg but you'll soon see if it IS the neighbours - and revenge is a dish best served cold)
Of course the burgs also know most people will claim insurance and buy NEW gear, so a few weeks later the low-lifes pay another visit...
I GOT ME A GERMAN SHEPARD , HE HAS THE WORST TEMPERMENT OF THE WHOLE LITTER AND I GET CRAZY STEVE TO TEASE HIM, IM NOT GETTING HIM NEUATERED SO HELL BE NICE AND VICIOUS (THE DOG NOT CS)

[spudchucka]

Sounds about right, we had to priveledge of paying our security company twice - once for a false alarm and once when the the place had been burlged (past tense by the time they showed up). Hey, at least the security guy made sure the gates were locked when he left...

And you can't teach a monitored alarm to catch a frisbee or swim out through a set of breakers to retrieve a stick.... nice!
We get lots of calls from security companies who monitor alarms. Usually they tell us about 45 mins to an hour after the event, by which time there is shit all chance of catching anyone at or decamping the scene. Then you get security guards that are gung ho and run all around the scene in the hope of catching the bad guy but in reality simply screw up any chance of the dog getting a track away from the scene. A telling off by a grumpy dog handler is not a very pleasant experience for an over eager security guard

[spudchucka]

I prefer the ones with stealth... hide till it's too late - then bail the bastards up in the kitchen or something.

At the risk of repeating myself, or repeating myself, they should also have a healthy appetite, and a taste for testicles des hommes

That'd fix the bastards (literally too)
MDU
I've seen an offender dragged out of a house by a dog that had a hold of his nuts. It was a beautiful sight, one that neither myself nor the individual involved will ever forget.

[thehollowmen]

I've seen an offender dragged out of a house by a dog that had a hold of his nuts. It was a beautiful sight, one that neither myself nor the individual involved will ever forget.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

got any 'confiscated' photos from the meds to show us so we can uh... put the young ones off a life of crime? (good lord why did I just typo that to "chrome")

[James Deuce]

(good lord why did I just typo that to "chrome")

Your secret lust for a cruiser just made its Freudian slip.

[InDeSkyz]

Fill each room of the house with large dogs.

[Lou Girardin]

I've seen an offender dragged out of a house by a dog that had a hold of his nuts. It was a beautiful sight, one that neither myself nor the individual involved will ever forget.

Yeah, he'll probably sue and get $80,000.

[Artifice]

security cables. it wont stop a thief with a big chain cutter but how many carry those? just wire the pc/monitor/ xbox/dvd to its stand. just makes it too much hassle for em. or get student flatmates (they stay up all night in the front room playing computer games).

[spudchucka]

Yeah, he'll probably sue and get $80,000.
In the end he was just happy to still have his wedding tackle attached.

[spudchucka]

security cables. it wont stop a thief with a big chain cutter but how many carry those? just wire the pc/monitor/ xbox/dvd to its stand. just makes it too much hassle for em. or get student flatmates (they stay up all night in the front room playing computer games).
A simple security measure is to zip tie the cables of your TV, VCR, DVD, Home Theatre etc etc together into a bunch, even better is to use a cheap pad-lock to do the same. It just makes it that little bit harder to get away with the loot and the might just give up and move on to an easier target.

[James Deuce]

Bloody good tip Spud.

[manuboy]

A simple security measure is to zip tie the cables of your TV, VCR, DVD, Home Theatre etc etc together into a bunch, even better is to use a cheap pad-lock to do the same. It just makes it that little bit harder to get away with the loot and the might just give up and move on to an easier target.

You've maybe read the rest of this thread Spud, so what you you suggest for a victim who lives alone, knows exactly where the gear went and is too scared to do anything about in any in shape or form whatsoever in case of "reprisals".

[spudchucka]

You've maybe read the rest of this thread Spud, so what you you suggest for a victim who lives alone, knows exactly where the gear went and is too scared to do anything about in any in shape or form whatsoever in case of "reprisals".
If you are certain you know where the stuff is then talk to the police about it. We get information all the time about stolen goods, if the info is reliable enough we'll get a search warrant. If you are too scared to follow up in this manner then just kiss your stuff goodbye and wait around to get ripped off again.

[manuboy]

If you are certain you know where the stuff is then talk to the police about it. We get information all the time about stolen goods, if the info is reliable enough we'll get a search warrant. If you are too scared to follow up in this manner then just kiss your stuff goodbye and wait around to get ripped off again.

It ain't actually me.... personally i'm a dumb f**k, i would've skipped the cops, gone round with a few heavies like k14, and made sure the idea of knicking my stuff gave them the raging shits for years to come. Others opinions differ, but i'd rather not bother the cops and have these guys go through our so-called justice system.

But i agree. Thats what i told my mate - don't let them get off scott free. Up to them to decfide now. But i'll be there if they need support.

Thanks SD for the PM's!!!!!

[manuboy]

Actually i'm just spouting here, feel free to disagree, it'd be the first thread without a disagreement if you didn't, but i reckon it's BULLSHIT people have to worry so much about securing their posessions.

It's BULLSHIT that EVERYBODY i know has had their residence broken into - some more than once and some places were trashed not just entered (and pillaged).

It's BULLSHIT that the cops in ChCh can't get anywhere near keeping up with break-ins. Now you just call the station and they make it all good with your insurance company.

It's BULLSHIT that on the rare occassions these assholes are caught, the justice system slaps them with a wet bus ticket, and at the same time makes it so hard to defend yourself in your own place with any degree of real force without you being nailed as well.

And because its my post and i can generalise, it's not the fulla working next to me that will be robbing my house. It's the dole bludger p addict that will walk off with my hard earned DVD player and then collecting his / her income paid for by us law abiding tax payers.... a real nice double whammy eh...PRICKS.

[Constable Plod]

And because its my post and i can generalise, it's not the fulla working next to me that will be robbing my house. It's the dole bludger p addict that will walk off with my hard earned DVD player and then collecting his / her income paid for by us law abiding tax payers.... a real nice double whammy eh...PRICKS.


They arent dole bludgers anymore, they are sickness beneficiaries. I kid you not, it is a rare occassion to pull over a driver who is on the dole. I have however arrested a shit load of sickness beneficiaries. They cant work but bugger me they are good at climbing through windows and running from the police.

Go the labour government, no wonder un-employment stats are so low.