Work this shit out

[98tls]

Got myself in a spot of bother today and all things considered cant for the life of me work out why :gob: Day kicked off with a few household duties whilst the Mrs had a sleep in (her birthday yesterday) and plan was to take her out for lunch/shopping blah blah blah.Long story short we set off and upon reaching the desired one way street (old part of town in Ommers) i head down it to turn the first right hand corner to find a bloody great dump truck parked up blocking the whole street...bloke driving it had just got out and said "sorry mate will be about 5 minutes etc " so had room to back up and go back up the one way street to find 2 blokes walking down it i stop wave them to cross and one of em walks up to my window and says "its a one way road" in an arrogant enough tone to make me a little pissed so reply "re the truck round the corner" only to get a gob full back so i stop get outta the car and attempt to explain again why the fuck (yep still angry" i am doing what i am doing:brick: next thing this guys boyfriends in my face so i give the bloke a tap on the chin and he falls over,by this stage its a fucking public display,embarrassing beyond belief and am thinking fuck this so get back in the car just in time for the law to turn up:oi-grr: So despite numerous written statements from those that were there laying out the facts ie the boyfriend got all hands on i find myself heading to court:mad::pinch:Copper told me he was simply doing his job but bugger me this is really fucked up,could possibly understand if i was a young fella but jesus H at my age :yawn: Cop didnt want a bar of any explanation seemed it was all about the knock on the chin no matter what caused it to happen:wacko: Cant imagine anyone reading this would have done any different ie a guy runs up into your face grabs you round your shirt collar yelling so hard his disgusting spit is hitting your face.

[Grumph]

Showed this to my daughter who reports that she expects to see someone reversing the wrong way up any one way street in Oamaru.....

I've told her to stay in the car and don't get involved.

Best of luck in court.

[Kickaha]

i find myself heading to court
Filthy fucking criminal I hope they throw the book at you

[98tls]

Showed this to my daughter who reports that she expects to see someone reversing the wrong way up any one way street in Oamaru.....

I've told her to stay in the car and don't get involved.

Best of luck in court.

;)lol.Still pissed off but yep that made me laugh.

[Voltaire]

Copper told me he was simply doing his job
This is the line you have to watch.... Says one thing writes another.

[98tls]

Filthy fucking criminal I hope they throw the book at you

Normally that to would be funny but fuck...thing is this is a perfect example of a world gone mad with pc bullshit,if i had known the outcome i would have given the cunt a couple more so as to make him think before getting all hands on with people.Bloody annoying.Mind you ive heard of people being charged with assault for giving a burgler a hiding so in hindsight shouldnt be surprised,fwiw my Mrs who is one of lifes "nice people" is somewhat pissed off re the outcome as like she said to the copper "what was he supposed to do when that guy grabbed him" etc etc

[Madness]

A little bit of bit of spit in the face is as good as assualt, innit? Case dismissed.

[pritch]

Get a good lawyer and make sure the court gets your side of the story. It's going to cost, but it could cost more if you don't.

For all you know the cop is a mate of the other guy(s).

[nodrog]

If you had bashed the cop too you wouldn't be in this predicament, ya softcock.

[98tls]

Get a good lawyer and make sure the court gets your side of the story. It's going to cost, but it could cost more if you don't.

For all you know the cop is a mate of the other guy(s).

Rock n hard place mate,no offence to those that like a cock in there arse but these two blokes were a couple which generally i could give a shit about but bugger me (turn of phrase) this lunatic was putting on a display...seriously i was embarrassed for him.The mrs got a few numbers etc so will make a few calls...lawyer :oi-grr: only if i have to.

[98tls]

A little bit of bit of spit in the face is as good as assualt, innit? Case dismissed.

Way i saw it but in hindsight no proof etc.There was a day when you could have stood up in court and explained that but there long gone i reckon.

[Berries]

Showed this to my daughter who reports that she expects to see someone reversing the wrong way up any one way street in Oamaru....
Driving the wrong way on a one way street is against the rules, reversing isn't. How would you parallel park? I would have the told the bloke he was talking out of his arse, but I probably wouldn't have chinned him. These Steam Punks are normally well armoured.

Talking of one way traffic, interesting looking at Google street view-

[TheDemonLord]

I'm all for self defence, even overwhelming force - but if you swung first....

[Big Dog]

So you're saying this'll be in the papers tomorrow as "sexinagerian gay basher due in court after backing out of back alley"?

Dude that sucks. I can't say I would behave any differently, sadly the rules of engagement no longer support such.

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[tigertim20]

I'm all for self defence, even overwhelming force - but if you swung first....

whaddya mean 'but'?

If one is afraid for their own safety they are justified in the use of force. You arent required to take a hit first.

[TheDemonLord]

whaddya mean 'but'?

If one is afraid for their own safety they are justified in the use of force. You arent required to take a hit first.

Well, that is why it goes to court - as described - I see it as one person trying to intimidate another, mouthing off etc. and the other person making it physical, since it was our fellow poster who crossed the line to take it from verbal to physical, I see him as at fault.

Others have different opinions and are welcome to them.

It would be a different story (for me) if our poster said that it looked like the other guy was going to attack him or had laid a hand on him/pushed him etc. - but that isn't how he described it, just that someone was in his face.

[AllanB]

Jesus - if you didn't want to take her to lunch and go shopping (fully understandable) you should have just faked a dose of diarrhea.

[Berries]

It smells like that in Oamaru some times anyway so you can't use it as an excuse.

[oldrider]

As long as nobody scratched that beautiful bloody car! - Best of luck with the outcome on the altercation with Oamaru's finest and the gandydancers boyfriend! :rolleyes:

[WristTwister]

provocation
:argue:
:Pokey:
:bash:

[Its_Syd]

provocation
:argue:
:Pokey:
:bash:

Dont think provocation is a good defence anymore since a few years back some fellow stabbed their partner a few times and tried to claim provocation

[Akzle]

Dont think provocation is a good defence anymore since a few years back some fellow stabbed their partner a few times and tried to claim provocation

self defence still is.

And if thats the one i'm thinking of, he stabbed her 50 sommat times.

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best with it man. Unfortunately getting to caught is a jew game, so unless you are a jew, you'll need to hire one. You may be eligible for legal aid.
Theres a few paths to go down a) deny deny deny b) say sorry and take it on the chin c) self defence.
I'd be pulling all your own witness statements (will need to be affidavitised for jews) and even character references ("he's a kitten and would never hit someone unless scared for his life") - do not, repeat, DO NOT trust that the cops has done any kind of job in taking statements that do anything other than back up himself.

[rastuscat]

It would sure be interesting to hear the other side if the story.

If something sounds unusual, it's normally because we haven't heard the whole story.

Still, a judge will decide. If it's a big fat nothing, it'll turn into a big fat nothing.

[Oakie]

Self-defence. You were outnumbered and being abused. Reacted for self-preservation

Back in the day (also in Oamaru) the driver of a car I was in got smacked through the open drivers window of the car by some guys who we had some history with. That guy somehow got off with self-defence. I guess it comes down to who tells the better story.

Good luck with it.

[awayatc]

Courts are not about justice,

and stories told not about truth.....

bit of creative story telling required?

[pritch]

In your original post you say he grabbed your collar, he had a mate so you were outnumbered. I'd say you had cause. Shame I'm not a judge. :whistle:

Sadly these days you can't rely on common sense counting for much in a court room.

[Tazz]

I guess it comes down to who tells the better story.

Good luck with it.


Courts are not about justice,

and stories told not about truth.....

bit of creative story telling required?


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I agree with the being grabbed by him as the first strike, but because you got out of your car to escalate the situation I think you might be buggered.

You can't beat sense into the senseless sadly.

[MarkH]

A guy grabs your collar, you push him away . . . with your fist . . . against his chin - not really a crime is it?

[oldrider]

I agree with the being grabbed by him as the first strike, but because you got out of your car to "escalate" the situation I think you might be buggered.

You can't beat sense into the senseless sadly.

Mike said he got out of the (low slung) car to "explain" (not escalate!) to the concerned citizen that his exit at the other end of the street was obstructed!

The concerned citizen's partner misread the situation and mistakenly rushed to his partner's defence by grabbing at Mike's shirt collar aggressively provoking an assault!

Mike was forced to defend himself from this unsolicited attack by pushing out with his hand to fend off the attacker in order to calm things down and clarify the situation!

Seems clear enough! :Police:

[bogan]

next thing this guys boyfriends in my face so i give the bloke a tap on the chin

Oamaru Times (aka, 1953) Headline reads, rampaging driver backs wrong way down one-way street then assaults homosexual members of public. :innocent:

[Tazz]

Mike said he got out of the (low slung) car to "explain" (not escalate!) to the concerned citizen that his exit at the other end of the street was obstructed!

The concerned citizen's partner misread the situation and mistakenly rushed to his partner's defence by grabbing at Mike's shirt collar aggressively provoking an assault!

Mike was forced to defend himself from this unsolicited attack by pushing out with his hand to fend off the attacker in order to calm things down and clarify the situation!

Seems clear enough! :Police:

Like others have said, it's not law or justice, it's a big game of who can tell the best story that works in their favour the most convincingly, and you are good at this game :yes: :niceone:

[flyingcrocodile46]

The only reason someone gets out of their car in this sort of scenario is when they are a bad tempered shit head that want's to intimidate someone or to have a fight. You lost your temper and the case when you got out of the car. No excuse for it other than to provoke an attack. The judge would probably make concessions for a young person who makes a bad choice, but less so for a grown up who should know better. You should probably go to jail.

[pritch]

You should probably go to jail.

Shit you're tough. There is always the risk though that the judge will have a rush of mud to the brian and decide that there's too much of this sort of thing going on...

Then again, the victims may turn up and complain that you only hit one because you hate homosexuals. In the USA they might lock you up for decades for a hate crime.

[Askor]

Your first mistake was being in Oamaru..

[awayatc]

Your first mistake was being in Oamaru..

And your second mistake is that there is somebody left standing with a different story from yours.....

[Akzle]

And your second mistake is that there is somebody left standing with a different story from yours.....

"must spread..." :clap:

[AllanB]

What's you past 'record' like? If clean, talk a good story and have the misses cry a lot when telling the court how frightened for you she was. Especially when the guy started swinging his handbag.

I'm in and out of court all the time with work - best evidence helps so you need to get yours to counter the two pretty boys matching story.

[Maha]

Keep up the good work Mike, wiping jiz off a blokes face with a closed fist (though unconventional) is very effective.

[oldrider]

The only reason someone gets out of their car in this sort of scenario is when they are a bad tempered shit head that want's to intimidate someone or to have a fight. You lost your temper and the case when you got out of the car. No excuse for it other than to provoke an attack. The judge would probably make concessions for a young person who makes a bad choice, but less so for a grown up who should know better. You should probably go to jail.

Very low car windows guy yelling was difficult to understand! :scratch:

Has difficulty hearing (factory hearing damage) and got out the car to position himself to enable clearer comprehension of what the bloke was saying to him! :rolleyes:

There are TV adds that explain this situation - very common in older people and Mike is getting older every day! - Too old to be aggressive simply misunderstood! :confused:

[carbonhed]

Get a lawyer. Get your story sorted. Don't expect it to be fair.

[Dogboy900]

Hope it goes well for you.
I have done some dumb shit like this once in a while, some people seem to spend their lives walking around asking for a smack, but are surprised when it arrives. Luckily for me it never ended up with the law involved.
In hindsight staying in the car and carrying on would have been the smart option, but as they say hindsight is 20/20.
Get a lawyer and as long as no serious damage occurred, hopefully you get a sympathetic hearing.

[AllanB]

See this is another example of repression of the male species. Will only be a matter of a century before evolution drops off our penis - it is already medically recorded that the testicle is reducing in size as is sperm count. Give it five hundred years and the male anus will become vertically elongated and the penis will be reduced to a small bud of stimuli receptive flesh positioned at the top of the reformed anus opening. At least then when one get fucked up the rear by a mamby pamby society it will be pleasurable.


What pissed me off here is I've seen so many examples of out of control abusive young men acting like utter arseholes (current shit producing kind) who hurl bottles and abuse at the police when they are called. And the fuckers get away with it.


Maybe you should use testosterone and centuries of males acting as males as your defense - if it goes badly - drop your trousers in the court and loudly proclaim - 'I have a penis - I am not a animal'.

[jonbuoy]

Get a really good lawyer, delete this thread.

[jafar]

" a guy runs up into your face grabs you round your shirt collar yelling so hard his disgusting spit is hitting your face."

This is the bit that matters, anything afterwards is self defence.

Get your lawyer to have an assault charge laid against the faggot through the courts. Make sure it is done 1st thing monday morning.

[caseye]

" a guy runs up into your face grabs you round your shirt collar yelling so hard his disgusting spit is hitting your face."

This is the bit that matters, anything afterwards is self defence.

Get your lawyer to have an assault charge laid against the faggot through the courts. Make sure it is done 1st thing monday morning.

Wot he said!
I'd be very surprised if you didn't get off.

[Berries]

I'd be very surprised if you didn't get off.
Previous history must come in to it? I have no idea if 98tls has always been a good boy but it strikes me that someone willing to get out of a car and punch someone in the face has possibly done that kind of thing before?

[awayatc]

Previous history must come in to it? I have no idea if 98tls has always been a good boy but it strikes me that someone willing to get out of a car and punch someone in the face has possibly done that kind of thing before?

Which bloke hasn't. ..?


A wee tap to put a twat back into line...

big fuckin deal, should happen more often .....

[nzspokes]

Which bloke hasn't. ..?


A wee tap to put a twat back into line...

big fuckin deal, should happen more often .....

My thoughts as well. A smack in the head often corrects attitude.

[Maha]

My thoughts as well. A smack in the head often corrects attitude.

Crazy Steve V idleidolidyll springs to mind.

[Drew]

Crazy Steve V idleidolidyll springs to mind.

Who cracked whom?

[Maha]

Who cracked whom?

It was so long ago and I wasn't there, but suffice so say, the one with the attitude and gob online, was less attitude and gob in real life, as is normally the case. I know two people that have posted in this thread that were there.

Katman and jrandom were going to 'get it on' at the Taupo track, but that all fizzled out when another members mummy got in and twisted their ears...embarrassing surely?

Crazy Steve is just lovely :niceone:

[Katman]

Katman and jrandom were going to 'get it on' at the Taupo track, but that all fizzled out when another members mummy got in and twisted their ears...embarrassing surely?


Probably not as embarrassing as shooting your mouth off online about gang members but then refusing the opportunity to voice your concerns straight to their face when you're called out on it.

[Maha]

Probably not as embarrassing as shooting your mouth off online about gang members but then refusing the opportunity to voice your concerns straight to their face when you're called out on it.

Wrong thread fuck head....oh that rhymes. :msn-wink:

[Katman]

Wrong thread fuck head....oh that rhymes. :msn-wink:

The offer still stands.

[Maha]

The offer still stands.

You may like the taste of gang boy jiz on your lips, but it's not for me so :motu: to anything you offer my way...at anytime.

[Katman]

You may like the taste of gang boy jiz on your lips, but it's not for me so :motu: to anything you offer my way...at anytime.

That's right - you're all mouth, aren't you Mark?

[98tls]

Ended up seeing a lawyer first thing this morning,long story short he reckons if i can provide him with written statements (more the better) from people there re the guys mate grabbing me then he believes the coppers will see sense and we may not end up in court.Ive managed to get 3 people willing to do so inclusive of a lady working in a shop directly in front of where this shit took place,as someone here pointed out sure i shouldnt have lost my rag and punched the guy but as the lawyer pointed out if someone rushes across a street to grab you round the neck (area) you have every right to fear for your own safety and act accordingly,another point he made was up until then this had been a verbal exchange between two people then for all intent and purpose a 3rd person raised the bar by making it physical so if witness statements show that then it was the 3rd party that should be getting done for assault not me,regardless of how it worked out for him...will see what comes of it,lawyers confident.

[Akzle]

your welcome

[BuzzardNZ]

...lawyers confident.

always are as they want your coin.

[Grubber]

Probably not as embarrassing as shooting your mouth off online about gang members but then refusing the opportunity to voice your concerns straight to their face when you're called out on it.

No no, i think it would be way more embarrassing than that.

I wouldn't go out of my way to find a gang member either, got better things to do with my time. Still have an opinion though.

As always you have gone well off the subject to chuck some personal insults. Some things never change!

[TheDemonLord]

To add to my earlier comment - if the guy grabbed your collar first (which wasn't clear in the OP) - then that constitutes turning it into a physical altercation, and IMO you would be justified in taking a swing.

[caseye]

Who cracked whom?

Ah but eye was and it was a classic, two grown men, um blok, ah boy's really, in full kit, one swung, the other caught, both went down and couldn't help but help each other up, Fight over, both stopped being silly and all was right with the world.
The rest of the SATNR gathered for our weekly ride absolutely wet our collective selves, ride went off great and our protagonists became bossum buddies.
OK, so not quite bossum buddies, but they did ride with us for quite a while afterwards.
Both are good blokes and helped a lot of budding SATNR's with advice and demonstrations.

[Drew]

Ah but eye was and it was a classic, two grown men, um blok, ah boy's really, in full kit, one swung, the other caught, both went down and couldn't help but help each other up, Fight over, both stopped being silly and all was right with the world.
The rest of the SATNR gathered for our weekly ride absolutely wet our collective selves, ride went off great and our protagonists became bossum buddies.
OK, so not quite bossum buddies, but they did ride with us for quite a while afterwards.
Both are good blokes and helped a lot of budding SATNR's with advice and demonstrations.

I'm upset to have only just learned of this.

[sidecar bob]

While there are a whole bunch of people most weeks that id quite like to & be quite able to give a punch in the lip because they seriously deserve it, the drama that ensues just isn't worth the trouble, as demonstrated here.

[AllanB]

Contact the council too and see if they have any spy cameras pointing in the direction of the action. Only use the footage if it is to your advantage of course ....

[Akzle]

Contact the council too and see if they have any spy cameras pointing in the direction of the action. Only use the footage if it is to your advantage of course ....

or post it on jewtube for lulz

[pzkpfw]

I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but who gets to sue the dump truck owner for causing emotional distress?

[oldrider]

While there are a whole bunch of people most weeks that id quite like to & be quite able to give a punch in the lip because they seriously deserve it, the drama that ensues just isn't worth the trouble, as demonstrated here.

Places exist (boxing clubs etc) where you can go and do that and test your skills against someone hell bent on doing it to you - it's fun! :yes: Hassle free! :blip:

[russd7]

but ok, one o ya's must be a waimo and the other from ommers, otherwise this would never have happened, when did they make the old quarter a one way system, don't remember it being one way and i never really left the cri intoxicated

[98tls]

All done and no court day will be involved.Good job to am far to old for that shite.

[98tls]

but ok, one o ya's must be a waimo and the other from ommers, otherwise this would never have happened, when did they make the old quarter a one way system, don't remember it being one way and i never really left the cri intoxicated

Not from Ommers myself (nor Waimo) but as long as ive been here its been a one way down the street next to the Cri.

[scumdog]

All done and no court day will be involved.Good job to am far to old for that shite.

Told ya so!:woohoo::niceone:

Chrissy says she's pissed off 'cos we had the van loaded up with hick-yokels brandishing pitch-forks, burning brands, scythes and all the other stuff to deal to you for indulging in such blatant red-neck thuggish behaviour! :nya:

[AllanB]

Told ya so!:woohoo::niceone:

Chrissy says she's pissed off 'cos we had the van loaded up with hick-yokels brandishing pitch-forks, burning brands, scythes and all the other stuff to deal to you for indulging in such blatant red-neck thuggish behaviour! :nya:

Man I want him to run for Mayor in Christchurch - sort out the rabbles

[98tls]

Told ya so!:woohoo::niceone:

Chrissy says she's pissed off 'cos we had the van loaded up with hick-yokels brandishing pitch-forks, burning brands, scythes and all the other stuff to deal to you for indulging in such blatant red-neck thuggish behaviour! :nya:

:laugh:Doing some more redneck stuff tommorow mate,taking the GTP out to the drags for a play.

[AllanB]

:laugh:Doing some more redneck stuff tommorow mate,taking the GTP out to the drags for a play.

Careful. May be some Holden drivers there who definitely need a smack.

[98tls]

Careful. May be some Holden drivers there who definitely need a smack.

;)maybe 20 years ago mate but as i said to old for such things...that aside spending your life driving a Holden would be far worse than any smack in the mouth i could give em,if there happy so be it.Wont be long before there standing in line to hand over a cheque for a rebadged front wheel drive 4 cylinder Buick resplendent in there HSV jackets/caps.

[scumdog]

:laugh:Doing some more redneck stuff tommorow mate,taking the GTP out to the drags for a play.

Got something else coming up otherwise I'd have the old lorry there!

[98tls]

Got something else coming up otherwise I'd have the old lorry there!

That i would like to see...do a pretty healthy time that old girl,ever done a timed run in it?

[98tls]

Did consider taking the old TL out there for shits n giggles but not so many bikes turn up these days.

[scumdog]

That i would like to see...do a pretty healthy time that old girl,ever done a timed run in it?


Yeah, 13.89 but it's so 'long legged' that it only used 1st & 2nd gear.

Lower geared dif would see it into the 12's no sweat.

(Gas mileage might suffer though!)

[tigertim20]

Did consider taking the old TL out there for shits n giggles but not so many bikes turn up these days.

sounds like a piss poor excuse to not drag it out anyway

[98tls]

sounds like a piss poor excuse to not drag it out anyway

Fair call though tis only that the Mrs expressed an interest in coming out,shes never been to the drags and what better than to have her in the car and do it,she doesnt drive due to an eye problem otherwise i would have have taken both car and bike out there.

[98tls]

Yeah, 13.89 but it's so 'long legged' that it only used 1st & 2nd gear.

Lower geared dif would see it into the 12's no sweat.

(Gas mileage might suffer though!)

Thats pretty impressive mate,bugger the gas mileage.Have bought a set of diff gears for the GTP to make it more economical...:rolleyes:1st gear on the things just ridiculous.

[scumdog]

Thats pretty impressive mate,bugger the gas mileage.Have bought a set of diff gears for the GTP to make it more economical...


Weighing 2200kg doesn't help either mate!

(Jenny Craig needs a visit!)

[98tls]

Weighing 2200kg doesn't help either mate!

(Jenny Craig needs a visit!)

Na your trucks a beast,cool as the way it is.

[Kickaha]

(Jenny Craig needs a visit!)
Don't be so hard on yourself, just lay off the Donuts