BREXIT - some assistance required

[george formby]

Boris at #10?

[Voltaire]

A "Claytons" poll they can do anything they like with - meanwhile it is a distraction from something else the magicians probably don't want the world to see! :cool:

Ah Claytons....
As per the R and R norm when I have nothing to add post a video clip.:laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylH43Tcaj60

[mada]

http://i.imgur.com/PYZifxX.jpg

[Oscar]

A "Claytons" poll they can do anything they like with - meanwhile it is a distraction from something else the magicians probably don't want the world to see! :cool:

Do you ever post anything that isn't related to conspiracy?

What distraction?

Retards like you posting shit like this all over the intenet?

[jonbuoy]

http://i.imgur.com/PYZifxX.jpg

Except the government line was to stay, I think they are just as surprised as everyone else. Goes to show if you don't vote you can't complain at the results.

[YellowDog]

Except the government line was to stay, I think they are just as surprised as everyone else. Goes to show if you don't vote you can't complain at the results.

I voted for BREXIT: Keep rowing boys!

[george formby]

Try and tell that to the family of Jo Cox who was shot and stabbed ostensibly in the name of freeing Britain only a week or so ago. :whistle:

Easy comment.

The front line was British polling. A decision and it's consequences won by pens. On a continental scale. Historically so.

[Stylo]

Brussels has just turned the fan on, this will be interesting.

Something's going to hit it starting with Sh ..

Could be a long weekend for those guys

[jonbuoy]

I don't think it will make much difference. Trade and Travel tend to go on a tit for tat. If the UK don't make it difficult for Europeans to work - they won't either. If the Germans make it hard to buy BMW's then people will switch to Lexus. The Spanish need British tourists and they won't want to make it difficult for them. Where there is money to be made people won't cut their noses off to spite their faces. Big buisiness is more powerful than governments these days.

[Duncan74]

I don't think it will make much difference. Trade and Travel tend to go on a tit for tat. If the UK don't make it difficult for Europeans to work - they won't either. If the Germans make it hard to buy BMW's then people will switch to Lexus. The Spanish need British tourists and they won't want to make it difficult for them. Where there is money to be made people won't cut their noses off to spite their faces. Big buisiness is more powerful than governments these days.

All true. But the issue here is that at an EU level then they need to give France and other countries a clear reason for also not exiting. And so as first out then the UK will be the whipping boy to set the example. Overnight then BMWs have just got more expensive by about 10% without any additional taxes. But the other way then UK manufactured cars should in theory be cheaper for import into central Europe. So ironically then the EU funding has gone into factories undermining the domestic manufacturing in france, Germany and Italy, and that's before the other 'Japanese' factories in Europe. Remember, the reasons these factories were built at all was to avoid the import duties for cars made outside of the EU. So it would seem very odd if they didn't apply the duty to the UK.

And of course it's not just cars. It's all manner of other things. Will be interesting to see how companies like Amazon that have a whole business model about using distribution centres in cheap areas and financial entities located in a manner to avoid duties and taxes respond.

[YellowDog]

Remember, the reasons these factories were built at all was to avoid the import duties for cars made outside of the EU. So it would seem very odd if they didn't apply the duty to the UK.


The EU can't tax UK produced imports. The Lisbon Treaty says so. They can however decide not to buy them. Tit-for-tat will cause the EU to lose most.

Still no compelling arguments to No-BREXIT.

The EU is a crock of shit. I just can't believe Greece didn't tell Merkel to plug her vibrator into the mains and screw herself, rather than the Greek people :o

[mada]

I don't see any major issues between EU - UK occurring.

I think the issues are going to be internal with all the divisions... and then after a while when nothing gets better (not that it would have gotten better for them under the EU) for those who have felt disenfranchised ie. working class/poor who will they blame?

[Duncan74]

The EU can't tax UK produced imports. The Lisbon Treaty says so.

Your view here seems to differ with that I've read elsewhere. Lisbon treaty is a treaty between the EU member states. UK is about to leave that. Hence by definition that ceases to apply. However, across a few articles then this one from the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/what-would-brexit-mean-for-british-trade/ is probably the most 'middle' between what you are saying (no effect) and my fear (the world is doomed). Interestingly then for cars the current exchange rate drop of 10% seems spot on for cancelling out the duty on exports. However, in theory that means that cars from EU to UK would increase by an effective 20% if the current exchange rate stays for the actual 'divorce'.


What would that mean?

The UK would pay tariffs on goods and services it exported into the EU, but since the UK would pay ‘most favoured nation’ rates, that would prohibit either side imposing punitive duties and sparking a trade war.

These WTO tariffs range from 32 per cent on wine, to 4.1 per cent on liquefied natural gas, with items like cars (9.8 per cent) and wheat products (12.8 per cent) somewhere in between.

John Springford, an economist with the Centre for European Reform, the total cost of those tariffs would be large, ranging from a 2.2 per cent of GDP (£40 billion) to 9 per cent.

Business for Britain, which campaigns for exit, estimates that at worst, tariffs would cost British exporters just £7.4 billion a year and says the UK would save enough on EU membership fees to be able to compensate exporters for that.

Damian Chalmers, professor of European Union law at the London School of Economics, says the bigger threat to the UK exports would not be from WTO tariffs, but other EU states imposing new regulations and other “non-tariff barriers” to keep UK services out.

[YellowDog]

Your view here seems to differ with that I've read elsewhere. Lisbon treaty is a treaty between the EU member states. UK is about to leave that. Hence by definition that ceases to apply. However, across a few articles then this one from the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/what-would-brexit-mean-for-british-trade/ is probably the most 'middle' between what you are saying (no effect) and my fear (the world is doomed). Interestingly then for cars the current exchange rate drop of 10% seems spot on for cancelling out the duty on exports. However, in theory that means that cars from EU to UK would increase by an effective 20% if the current exchange rate stays for the actual 'divorce'.

It's as I stated. It might be on a different treaty, however it does exist. No tarrifs. And as for the current level of depreciation, this is momentary and sterling will need to be held down, not propped up.

The EU is run by dumb cnuts whom do not know their arses from their elbows. What do Greece, Turkey, Albania, Spain, Italy, Portugal, & Ireland have in common?

The're all broke and will leach off the EU until it is no more.

Keep rowing boys and make deals with the rest of the world, as these assholes have no cash to pay their debts.

[Voltaire]

The EU is run by dumb cnuts whom do not know their arses from their elbows. What do Greece, Turkey, Albania, Spain, Italy, Portugal, & Ireland have in common?

I think that the EU would work if it's only function was to facilitate trade and ease of travel in Europe, but it seems to have taken a life of its own as some sort of dictating Super State in the making. The Germans and the to a lesser degree France are probably used to this but less so the British.

Out of interest have you ever been to the countries you mention?

[YellowDog]

I think that the EU would work if it's only function was to facilitate trade and ease of travel in Europe, but it seems to have taken a life of its own as some sort of dictating Super State in the making. The Germans and the to a lesser degree France are probably used to this but less so the British.

Out of interest have you ever been to the countries you mention?

Never been to Albania and have no plans to :no: Historically, it has always been viewed as a cesspit, but I guess they must have learn't to cook their books (by their neighbours in Greece) in order to be considered.

I used to have a pan european role, so I have visted the others quite regularly. Their problems and total incompatibilities are really obvious. New zealand is a world leader and could resolve their problems and make them successful very easily. However culturally, they just can't change and is why they should not ever have joined.

You state: "I think that the EU would work if it's only function was to facilitate trade and ease of travel in Europe,"

This is the only reason the UK joined and "but it seems to have taken a life of its own as some sort of dictating Super State in the making."
"is the primary reason for BREXIT.

I read "Brexit: Merkel says 'no need to be nasty' in leaving talks" - she must be really pissed to state that - Lexus it is then :lol:

[oldrider]

UK now having a major attack of "after purchase blues" - sorta like a good idea with a hard on compared to when one has shot his bolt - what the fuck did I just do??

Nothing like a little time to settle things down again - Rule Britannia will take a little longer but at least the ship is heading in the right direction again! :corn:

[Voltaire]

UK now having a major attack of "after purchase blues" - sorta like a good idea with a hard on compared to when one has shot his bolt - what the fuck did I just do??

Nothing like a little time to settle things down again - Rule Britannia will take a little longer but at least the ship is heading in the right direction again! :corn:


I would say for country that invented the steam engine, had an empire, the largest navy in the world for a while, the industrial revolution, built the Spitfire, saw of the Germans twice and gave us modern blues fueled guitar rock this is just a minor setback.
Those hard working immigrants in the UK will make sure of that, not so much the lazy Poms who live in council flats and vote labour.

[Berries]

Those hard working immigrants in the UK will make sure of that, not so much the lazy Poms who live in council flats and vote labour.
Yes, they can all fuck off to the colonies.

[oldrider]

Will Britain still maintain her (historical) power position in the manipulative ways of world organisation? http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/zionism-kingdom-arabia/

[Duncan74]

Will Britain still maintain her (historical) power position in the manipulative ways of world organisation? http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/zionism-kingdom-arabia/

Hey, thanks for posting that link. Fascinating read. I'd been slightly remiss in not considering the 1925 siege of Jedah when considering the full implications of the Brexit. And I can have more confidence in this link as there are 30 references to demonstrate the validity. Slightly watered down by 27 of those coming from the one document, but that's not really important.

[BMWST?]

I would say for country that invented the steam engine, had an empire, the largest navy in the world for a while, the industrial revolution, built the Spitfire, saw of the Germans twice and gave us modern blues fueled guitar rock this is just a minor setback.
Those hard working immigrants in the UK will make sure of that, not so much the lazy Poms who live in council flats and vote labour.
Your view of the lazy poms probably avoids the truth that it is actually them who saw off the germans twice,worked in the coal mines ,and built the railways.And what thanks did they get?They are asking for their due now.As has been promised over and over again

[Voltaire]

Your view of the lazy poms probably avoids the truth that it is actually them who saw off the germans twice,worked in the coal mines ,and built the railways.And what thanks did they get?They are asking for their due now.As has been promised over and over again

My view of Lazy Poms was formed living in on a Council Estate in Dagenham for a short time, and working on building sites.

Much the same as you get here really.

I think you will find my Irish Ancestors did a lot of work on the railways, my Father worked in Huntly Coal mines as part of the assisted

passage back in the 40's, perhaps they should bring that back in here, make all the immigrants work in Wellington for a year.

I get the vote for leaving Europe was the great unwashed sticking it to the system, they should have done it in stages and started with a flag

one. :lol:

" Rule Britannia, Britannia rules not much":whistle:

[awa355]

One persons take on the matter

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[Katman]

It wouldn't surprise me to now see the UK hit by a few 'terror' attacks.

[mashman]

Found floating around in internet space


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

[oldrider]

An interesting take on BREXIT: https://richardedmondson.net/2016/06/24/the-brexit-vote-paul-craig-roberts/

[george formby]

:facepalm: That sums up my feelings on Brexit, I just don't trust them.

Er, I wuz gazzumped. Yes Minister.

[Voltaire]

:facepalm: That sums up my feelings on Brexit, I just don't trust them.

Er, I wuz gazzumped. Yes Minister.

Not Welsh are you :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

[Voltaire]

opps. alien zionists pressed enter again.

[george formby]

Not Welsh are you :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

LOL, no. I don't trust Farage, Boris, et al. I've lived in Scotland for many years and the EU has made a huge difference to many communities and areas, same with my home turf, the NE of England.
Not reasons to totally form ideals and votes from but real, and improving peoples lives.

I stand by my instincts, I do not trust those at the forefront and behind the leave campaign.
Only time will tell, now. I expect that cuts will continue in education, healthcare, benefits and infrastructure. Investment will be made in the armed forces, national security and police.

[Duncan74]

It's as I stated. It might be on a different treaty, however it does exist. No tarrifs. .

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36628918

Looks like Prof Daley, and the heads of Nissan and Ford would appreciate that link to the treaty you've got.... ;-)

[YellowDog]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36628918

Looks like Prof Daley, and the heads of Nissan and Ford would appreciate that link to the treaty you've got.... ;-)

The BBC editiorial is just scaremongering. I'm not reading 10,000 pages of inane waffle. There's a huge section in the exit terms, that was negotiated prior to the agreement being ratified. It refers to no lesser terms than prior to ratification, which was zero. I was doing an economics course at the time and it was heavily featured in the study. I guess they could start at zero and then later change their monds. Merkel said should wouldn't be nasty?

Let's hope Greece defults and diverts her attention elsewhere :msn-wink:

[YellowDog]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36628918

Looks like Prof Daley, and the heads of Nissan and Ford would appreciate that link to the treaty you've got.... ;-)

Ok - Now you got me going, because the original agreement has been superceeded so many times. Try sections 3 & 8 of the 2009 ratification?

EDIT: Looking through the many many changes, no countries seem to accept any of thr agreements in full.

BTW: This very old piece from the BBC archives was pretty much bang on!
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[Tazz]

The new tag is 'Bregret' :laugh:

[Berries]

The new tag is 'Bregret' :laugh:
Only for the idiots who protest voted.

'Bringiton' is from the other side of the fence

[Voltaire]

The new tag is 'Bregret' :laugh:

BReakup is probably next.

or EUlogy

The Brits love unelected bureaucrats, look at the House of Lords and the Royal Family.:killingme

Nigal Farage leader of UKIP is not even an MP.:rolleyes:

[YellowDog]

BReakup is probably next.

Nigal Farage leader of UKIP is not even an MP.:rolleyes:

That's because they don't have MEP.

Can't see any break up or any problems, just headless morons scaremongering.

Nothing's changed and very little will change, but news is light :yes:

[Voltaire]

That's because they don't have MEP.

Can't see any break up or any problems, just headless morons scaremongering.

Nothing's changed and very little will change, but news is light :yes:

I think you meant MMP?

I can see Scotland saying goodbye, NI not so much.

[YellowDog]

I think you meant MMP?

I can see Scotland saying goodbye, NI not so much.

MEP - LOL yes MMP :yes:

Scotland can't say goodbye, it needs to be a part of the UK. The EU won't let them join, end of.

The Scotts would have been screwed, if they'd voted for independence last year. The oil price drop would have ensured that.

It's all hot air and scaremongering. Today's the day for traders to make millions and millions. They are loving this :yes:

[Oscar]

BReakup is probably next.

or EUlogy

The Brits love unelected bureaucrats, look at the House of Lords and the Royal Family.:killingme

Nigal Farage leader of UKIP is not even an MP.:rolleyes:

He is actually an MEP.
Which is pretty ironic.

[Voltaire]

He is actually an MEP.
Which is pretty ironic.

Is that where ex MP's go when they can't get a cushy Ambassador job?

[Scubbo]

It's all hot air and scaremongering. Today's the day for traders to make millions and millions. They are loving this :yes:

this :shifty:

[mada]

A question on the minds of many Antipodeans is will Auckland and Australia finally leave the Au?

[oldrider]

The great propaganda war begins - bullshit! - they got in there - they can get out!

It was never intended to be easy - great opportunity here for someone with leadership balls! :wait:

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

[RDJ]

I think you meant MMP?

I can see Scotland saying goodbye, NI not so much.

I actually can't see Scotland saying goodbye, the revenue flow from the UK taxpayers is all in Scotland's favour at the moment. If they leave Britain and suck up to the EU for alimony, they will get the classic rude awakening.

[Stylo]

I actually can't see Scotland saying goodbye, the revenue flow from the UK taxpayers is all in Scotland's favour at the moment. If they leave Britain and suck up to the EU for alimony, they will get the classic rude awakening.

Been watching , Scotland not happy at all ...those boys like a drink and they're passionate about there country .

Couldn't post the face book comments on here but here are some of the names they call the people( I guess ) that voted the 'wrong way '

Very funny, Shakespeare would have smiled

' You Incompressible Jizz Trumpet ' ... ' fuckmuppet' , 'cocksplat' and ....'Cheetofaced ferret wearing shitgibbon'

Brilliant.

[Scubbo]

...

' you incompressible jizz trumpet ' ... ' fuckmuppet' , 'cocksplat' and ....'cheetofaced ferret wearing shitgibbon'
.

ahahahaha that last one

[jonbuoy]

Wee Jimmie Cranky is getting all worked up about independence again. They want to be proud "independent" jocks but take handouts and answer to the EU. Not sure how that works. The pounds plummeting nicely - I might order some parts and maybe a mini lathe when it bottoms out. Good news this morning for UK exporters.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/14/is-this-the-best-private-eye-celebrity-lookalike-ever-5149633/

[Voltaire]

"...and in the end, Britain, which had colonized the world, destroyed itself in fantasies that it was being colonized in turn" — historians.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/26809-5c6ojg.jpg

there are 22 countries the British never invaded.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/19289-1cnpnch.jpg

:innocent::innocent:

[YellowDog]

"...and in the end, Britain, which had colonized the world, destroyed itself in fantasies that it was being colonized in turn" — historians.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/26809-5c6ojg.jpg

there are 22 countries the British never invaded.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/19289-1cnpnch.jpg

:innocent::innocent:

Most of those in blue had it coming :yes:

The others were left wondering why they were not worthy :lol:

[jonbuoy]

"...and in the end, Britain, which had colonized the world, destroyed itself in fantasies that it was being colonized in turn" — historians.



there are 22 countries the British never invaded.



:innocent::innocent:

Unless your a pure bred Maori your part of the NZ invasion.

[YellowDog]

Unless your a pure bred Maori your part of the NZ invasion.

Surely the Maoris were also invaders and ate all the hobbits upon arrival :yes:

[jonbuoy]

Surely the Maoris were also invaders and ate all the hobbits upon arrival :yes:

Yup - and none of us are 200 years old so we didn't really have any part in it either. Its like blaming an 8 year old German boy for the Nazis. :facepalm:

[yokel]

"...and in the end, Britain, which had colonized the world, destroyed itself in fantasies that it was being colonized in turn" — historians.


there are 22 countries the British never invaded.



:innocent::innocent:

And they are now all dead.
The thing about empires is that they always fail.

Will the EU declare a jihad on the UK or just capitulate?

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[Laava]

Wonder if I should sell my european passport?

[YellowDog]

Wonder if I should sell my european passport?

Frame it and sell it to the museum in 20 years :yes:

This video's pretty good:

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[Voltaire]

Wonder if I should sell my european passport?

I must renew mine and get the kids theirs, maybe a working holiday in Eastern Europe teaching English:lol:

[Berries]

I think the England team are voting with their feet. They want out of Europe as well.

[YellowDog]

I think the England team are voting with their feet. They want out of Europe as well.

As pathetic as can be. If they lose, an honourable mass suicide might be appropriate :yes:

[mashman]

I think the England team are voting with their feet. They want out of Europe as well.

Conspiracy time :laugh:. I laughed when Hodgson was appointed. Fantastic Iceland performance mind.

[Voltaire]

Non MP Farage apologises to NZ over UK joining EU....:facepalm:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11664618

I thank them as no longer had to use feet and inches, drive rubbish cars and outdated motorcycles :yes:

He seems to have lost the 350 Million Quid they were going to save on EU a week.

Oh and if you do have to come back Mike Hoskings, buy yourself a pair of jeans that suit your middle age.

[Paul in NZ]

Non MP Farage apologises to NZ over UK joining EU....:facepalm:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11664618

I thank them as no longer had to use feet and inches, drive rubbish cars and outdated motorcycles :yes:

He seems to have lost the 350 Million Quid they were going to save on EU a week.

Oh and if you do have to come back Mike Hoskings, buy yourself a pair of jeans that suit your middle age.

Dear god - hes trying to suck up already to the old commonwealth..

Fuck that...

[YellowDog]

Oh and if you do have to come back Mike Hoskings, buy yourself a pair of jeans that suit your middle age.

You forgot to mention the hair gel.

Trying too hard not to look out of place, next to his wife :o

http://www.listener.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hosking3.jpg?6260ee

[oldrider]

Conspiracy time* :laugh:. I laughed when Hodgson was appointed. Fantastic Iceland performance mind.


Dear god - hes trying to suck up already to the old commonwealth..

Fuck that...

Conspiracy time*

The UK seems to be hovering on a knife-edge - which way will it finally go?

Probably pissing people off who don't like their attempt at re-establishing independent British sovereignty! (Maybe even resurrecting the commonwealth of nations? - the empire?)

Maybe Europe (NATO) might assemble in France like they currently are around independent Russia?

Wonder how long it would take until UK resembles Gaza Syria Iran Afghanistan Libya et al?

Bad shit really happens to nations who independently stand their ground these days! :rolleyes: (piss take)

[pritch]

I stand by my instincts, I do not trust those at the forefront and behind the leave campaign.


With good reason. They've already backpedalled on nearly every promise they made during the campaign They started doing that immediately the result was announced. Then again I wouldn't let Cameron look after my lunch either.

David Allen Green is a London Lawyer who blogs on legal matters of topical interest. His site jackofkent.com is down because almost his entire year's bandwidth was exceeded in three days following the announcement of the referendum result. He does, however, also have a blog in the Financial Times, there is a paywall but the blogs are free as long as you register. I hope that doesn't change because lately the FT has been placing his blogs on their main page.

His take on the current state of play:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c0669434-3c73-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html?siteedition=uk

And the English football team has already exited Europe.

[yokel]

With good reason. They've already backpedalled on nearly every promise they made during the campaign They started doing that immediately the result was announced. Then again I wouldn't let Cameron look after my lunch either.

David Allen Green is a London Lawyer who blogs on legal matters of topical interest. His site jackofkent.com is down because almost his entire year's bandwidth was exceed in three days following the announcement of the referendum result. He does, however, also have a blog in the Financial Times, there is a paywall but the blogs are free as long as you register. I hope that doesn't change because lately the FT has been placing his blogs on their main page.

His take on the current state of play:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c0669434-3c73-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html?siteedition=uk

And the English football team has already exited Europe.

Looks like you've got caught up in all the mainstream media's cognitive dissonance over Brexit. http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/81526644/brexit-campaign-wipes-website-clear-sparking-speculation-it-is-hiding-its-promises

This was an referendum, not an election.

It's all over now, well except for the shock the MSM is in because the result is not what they wanted.

[Ocean1]

With good reason. They've already backpedalled on nearly every promise they made during the campaign They started doing that immediately the result was announced. Then again I wouldn't let Cameron look after my lunch either.

David Allen Green is a London Lawyer who blogs on legal matters of topical interest. His site jackofkent.com is down because almost his entire year's bandwidth was exceed in three days following the announcement of the referendum result. He does, however, also have a blog in the Financial Times, there is a paywall but the blogs are free as long as you register. I hope that doesn't change because lately the FT has been placing his blogs on their main page.

His take on the current state of play:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c0669434-3c73-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html?siteedition=uk

And the English football team has already exited Europe.

Wants Money, Didn't Read.

[Jin]

Frame it and sell it to the museum in 20 years :yes:

This video's pretty good:

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Thanks for the link I enjoyed that although it was quite one sided i agreed with all of it. Free trade is a misappropriated term. Trade agreements are generally agreements for slightly lower tariffs duties quotas etc.

If Britain or any country for that matter wants free trade all it has to do is abolish all tariffs duties and quotas on imports.

Anyone who enjoyed that movie I recommend the 3 part PBS documentary Commanding Heights Battle for the World Economy. One of my favourite documentaries of all time.

[oldrider]

Trade agreements are generally agreements for slightly lower tariffs duties quotas etc.

If Britain or any country for that matter wants free trade all it has to do is abolish all tariffs duties and quotas on imports.

The only real true free trade time without tariffs duties and quotas is war! - Totally free export imports - chuck all the unlimited shit at each other no questions asked!

Just don't trip over each other as you approach the same bank for the funds to make more shit! :blip:

[pritch]

Wants Money, Didn't Read.

I seriously doubt that. This newfangled techy stuff getting the better of you? :devil2:

[pritch]

Looks like you've got caught up in all the mainstream media's cognitive dissonance over Brexit. http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/81526644/brexit-campaign-wipes-website-clear-sparking-speculation-it-is-hiding-its-promises

This was an referendum, not an election.

It's all over now, well except for the shock the MSM is in because the result is not what they wanted.

What strange gymnastics of comprehension took you from what I wrote to there? :whistle:

[Ocean1]

What strange gymnastics of comprehension took you from what I wrote to there? :whistle:

Perhaps he was somewhat circuitously pointing out that Brexit polled over 60%, more than any recent general election.

Or maybe not...

[yokel]

What strange gymnastics of comprehension took you from what I wrote to there? :whistle:

Oops, thought you where talking about the promises made by the Brexit leave campaign.

my bad.

[pritch]

Oops, thought you where talking about the promises made by the Brexit leave campaign.

my bad.

I did refer to them, as ephemeral and as nebulous as they were.

[Ocean1]

I seriously doubt that. This newfangled techy stuff getting the better of you? :devil2:

Yes.

But the two different ways I tried to access that content resulted in just two options, both costing money.

Didn't look real hard, but neither the pop-up or the full web page offers appeared to make any mention of free registration.

[Katman]

It will be interesting to see whether Article 50 is invoked or not.

[yokel]

Did the Brits dodge a bullet or miss the boat?

"European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

[Katman]

This is the only reason the UK joined and "but it seems to have taken a life of its own as some sort of dictating Super State in the making."
"is the primary reason for BREXIT.


It's them fucking Zionists......I'm telling ya. :sherlock:

[Jin]

The only real true free trade time without tariffs duties and quotas is war! - Totally free export imports - chuck all the unlimited shit at each other no questions asked!

Just don't trip over each other as you approach the same bank for the funds to make more shit! :blip:

I hope your joking. If not you should watch the documentary i mentioned gives a great primer on 18th century to present day economic changes with why and how.

[Virago]

Did the Brits dodge a bullet or miss the boat?

"European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

Wow, you're quoting stuff from the MSM...? You don't want to believe any of that shit. :laugh:

[Voltaire]

Wow, you're quoting stuff from the MSM...? You don't want to believe any of that shit. :laugh:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SuCMrAMLB_Y/UZKKUFJM7II/AAAAAAAAENE/bi15H0R7Ox0/s1600/conspiracy.jpg

[jonbuoy]

Did the Brits dodge a bullet or miss the boat?

"European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

That was always the plan wasn't it? In a few hundred years countries will become like counties and districts are now. Right now we are no better than tribesmen fighting over hunting and water rights. None of us did anything special to be lucky enough to have been born in a civilised country. Why do we assume because we were born here that it's "ours"?

[Voltaire]

Picking the Brexit won't happen, the Tories won't go for Boris, might get a disposable MP ( one who is close to retiring) to stand for PM, say to the Public the margin is too small, do a bit of grovelling to the EU and business as usual. The gap between Cameron losing and the selection of a new PM is to put the frighteners on the public so they will say " yes it was a bad idea...thank you Tories for sorting it out."
The Labour party is now pretty much history.
Oh and the 1% will have made lots of money in the short term.:msn-wink:

[pritch]

Picking the Brexit won't happen, the Tories won't go for Boris, might get a disposable MP ( one who is close to retiring) to stand for PM, say to the Public the margin is too small, do a bit of grovelling to the EU and business as usual. The gap between Cameron losing and the selection of a new PM is to put the frighteners on the public so they will say " yes it was a bad idea...thank you Tories for sorting it out."
The Labour party is now pretty much history.
Oh and the 1% will have made lots of money in the short term.:msn-wink:

Something like this is looking likely. The matter has been delegated to the Cabinet Committee which is not where important, urgent, or critical, matters are sent. Had Bexit been under serious consideration it would far more likely have been directed to Treasury or the Foreign Office.

Cameron has created a poisoned chalice. If, after he retires, Johnson, Gove, or any other proponent of the "Leave" camp becomes Prime Minister they will be in an invidious position. Damned if they take Britain out, damned if they don't.

[Voltaire]

Maybe once the Public realise that the unelected bureaucrats and EU rules are not much different to what they are used to....
http://www.yes-minister.com/images/oth_ypmstill3.jpg
and the 800 old fossils in the House of Lords.
https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20150613_BRD000_0.jpg

They can get back to reading the Sun, drinking pints and watching Football.

[pritch]

I note that there are some here who distrust the "Main Stream Media". Such distrust is not unfounded. I just listened to the lunch time farming show on Newstalk ZB discussing the effects of Brexit. The host, noting that the Pound stg has taken a dive, is convinced that that is how it will remain and that this is calamitous for NZ farmers.

The financial markets are famously timorous creatures, David Lange described them as "reef fish" which is appropriate imagery. The markets famously hate uncertainty but in a few days, or at most a week or two things will likely return to business as usual. It is to be hoped that the farmers listening don't pay too much attention to this twat, the dairy farmers will be depressed enough already.

TVNZ has sent Mike Hosking to London to keep us informed. Good luck with that. If you really want to know what's up, and what's not, you will need to do better than rely on TVNZ.

Most people use the Internet to reinforce their existing beliefs. People who watch FOX News are doing the same thing, they sure as Hell aren't going to learn much. So you need to find news sources that for instance are not owned by Rupert Murdoch, which isn't as easy as you might think. None of which means we need to rush off and join the conspiracy sites beloved of the tinfoil hat brigade.

The search for reliable independent news goes on. Maybe we need a thread for that?

[YellowDog]

The peoples of the western world have been dumbed down to the degree that the media can easily manipulate them to believe and vote any way they choose.

[Katman]

The peoples of the western world have been dumbed down to the degree that the media can easily manipulate them to believe and vote any way they choose.

It's almost like there's a plan. :eek:

[Voltaire]

The peoples of the western world have been dumbed down to the degree that the media can easily manipulate them to believe and vote any way they choose.

From my local sources that's so the mainly Zionist Bankers who control the main political parties and corporations can have one global entity.
The flaw in the plan is the pesky Muslims who insist on not having corporations run their countries and the Zionist controlled West has to go and whup them or get someone else to do it for them.:rolleyes:
Really Zionism deserves it own thread :niceone:

[Katman]

Really Zionism deserves it own thread :niceone:

Oscar would never get any work done.

[ellipsis]

Really Zionism deserves it own thread :niceone:


...that reminds me, I should darn my socks...

[Katman]

...that reminds me, I should darn my socks...

And I've got some extreme zioning to do.

[YellowDog]

It's almost like there's a plan. :eek:

I'm not sure I should answer that. Are you a Muslim fundamentalist looking to create the Islamic State?

[Jin]

The peoples of the western world have been dumbed down to the degree that the media can easily manipulate them to believe and vote any way they choose.
Including you?

[YellowDog]

Including you?

Naaa.... not me. I'm ahead of the game :wacko:

[yokel]

The peoples of the western world have been dumbed down to the degree that the media can easily manipulate them to believe and vote any way they choose.

Except when they don't and the "Whole world is in shock!" and the silly people for some reason voted for what they did'nt want because of polls and stuff, WTF??

I smell a dirty Jewish rat

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/feGXIK--OdM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Apparently there'll never be another European empire, sure is heading that way.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pWcFDniFu74" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[carbonhed]

Well after watching a Prime Minister resign and the Conservative Party eviscerate itself it's kind of fascinating watching Britains Labour Party saying "Pah... call that an evisceration? THIS is an evisceration motherfuckers!"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/labours-left-waited-decades-for-jeremy-corbyn-wont-give-up-without-fight

Thank fuck for Lefties eh?

[jonbuoy]

Quick as a flash - fuck all happens. I wonder if there should be a short simple test given before your vote is counted in situations like this. If you don´t have a basic grasp on the subject should you really be allowed to vote?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY

[Voltaire]

Could it be the work of " The Bilderberg Group"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA3idjkyrBg

[oldrider]

According to husaberg bogan and Oscar "you" posted it so you must believe it because you believe everything that you see on the Nett! :doh:

[bogan]

According to husaberg bogan and Oscar "you" posted it so you must believe it because you believe everything that you see on the Nett! :doh:

Not according to me at all.

No, according to me, would be that those who post mountains of hatemongering of delusional bullshit are characterised by their inability to rationalise any of it; and that such videos fall firmly into the bullshit category.

[oldrider]

Not according to me at all.

No, according to me, would be that those who post mountains of hatemongering of delusional bullshit are characterised by their inability to rationalise any of it; and that such videos fall firmly into the bullshit category.

Little Jack horner sat in a corner eating his Christmas pie - he put in his thumb pulled out a plumb and said what a good boy am I. :whocares:

[Voltaire]

Angela has spoken " nein U turns for der verdamit Englander ja"

Thats pretty much it for the UK, alone in political disarray with no major non EU trading partners and an economy that is starting to tank waiting for the Boris and David Show to decide who is going to captain the ship. :corn:

Not sure how this helps the Bilderberg Group with world domination mwahaaahaaaaa.

http://files.dogster.com/pix/games/trivia/med_5d19b30cffb8b7334bc400ae14d922f5_1242853086.jp g

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/0/08/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld_Donald_Pleasence.png/revision/latest?cb=20120831223710

[YellowDog]

Some brilliant propaganda from the losers of FB:

https://www.facebook.com/twotcircus/videos/301191413558403/?autoplay_reason=user_settings&video_container_type=0&video_creator_product_type=2&app_id=350685531728

[TheDemonLord]

Angela has spoken " nein U turns for der verdamit Englander ja"

Thats pretty much it for the UK, alone in political disarray with no major non EU trading partners and an economy that is starting to tank waiting for the Boris and David Show to decide who is going to captain the ship. :corn:

And yet, the UK will persevere and overcome, as it has always done.

[Voltaire]

And yet, the UK will persevere and overcome, as it has always done.

Probably, last time they were this isolated was lets see....oh 1940.

Thats when the called on the cannon fodder Colonies to come and bail them out.

:innocent:

[Katman]

Probably, last time they were this isolated was lets see....oh 1940.

Thats when the called on the cannon fodder Colonies to come and bail them out.

:innocent:

World War 3.

It's a-comin'.

[TheDemonLord]

Probably, last time they were this isolated was lets see....oh 1940.

Thats when the called on the cannon fodder Colonies to come and bail them out.

:innocent:

If memory serves however - we Won that one.

[YellowDog]

Angela has spoken " U-Boat turns for der verdamit Englander ja"

Fixed it for ya ........

[Voltaire]

If memory serves however - we Won that one.

We... as in Russia and US, the British just held on to the jumping off point for D day :laugh:

I used to have a flatmate who sang " One World Cup and Two World Wars Do dah Do dah"

Did England think they were playing the staff of the High St shop with the same name?:bleh:

[Ocean1]

Probably, last time they were this isolated was lets see....oh 1940.

Thats when the called on the cannon fodder Colonies to come and bail them out.

:innocent:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/08/brexit-lessons-the-uk-could-learn-from-nimble-new-zealand/

[TheDemonLord]

We... as in Russia and US, the British just held on to the jumping off point for D day :laugh:

I used to have a flatmate who sang " One World Cup and Two World Wars Do dah Do dah"

Did England think they were playing the staff of the High St shop with the same name?:bleh:

Well, When I say we won it - it was Us, and Hitlers' vanity that won the war (changing the Luftwaffes focus from the RAF fields to the Cities and deciding to try and invade Russia)

But as your flatmate sings - so shall I - 1 World Cup and 2 World Wars!

[Voltaire]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/08/brexit-lessons-the-uk-could-learn-from-nimble-new-zealand/

My Cousin who owns the family 'farm' ( 40 acres) in the backblocks of Co Galway doesn't actually do farming, and some years ago he bought another 'farm' down the road so as he could be paid for not growing stuff.

Nice to know the lovely Ruth Richardson has found a cushy job somewhere....:nono:

[Ocean1]

My Cousin who owns the family 'farm' ( 40 acres) in the backblocks of Co Galway doesn't actually do farming, and some years ago he bought another 'farm' down the road so as he could be paid for not growing stuff.

Nice to know the lovely Ruth Richardson has found a cushy job somewhere....:nono:

May not be actual independent analysis, but it's nice to see something other than Stupid World paranoia and John Key Derangement Syndrome generated echo chamber reinforced vacuous twaddle for a change.

I see now that trade deals (with the UK) are politically attractive again Labour's opinion on free trade deals has more or less completely reversed, (again) since the uninterrupted spittle laden diatribe about the TPPA. :laugh:

[Ocean1]

My Cousin who owns the family 'farm' ( 40 acres) in the backblocks of Co Galway doesn't actually do farming, and some years ago he bought another 'farm' down the road so as he could be paid for not growing stuff.

Nice to know the lovely Ruth Richardson has found a cushy job somewhere....:nono:

Also, when I lived in London, shortly after the UK joined the EU NZ lamb was landed in the UK for approximately 25% less cost than the local product. Once all of the duty and tax had been added the price to the local butcher was 25% higher.

Un-free trade is always a great idea, if you happen to produce shite and can't find anyone to buy it.

[Voltaire]

What does England make that we would buy these days?
does it mean the Triumph Thruxton that I have on my wish list will be 8% cheaper? or is that related to the Thai Baht?

[TheDemonLord]

What does England make that we would buy these days?
does it mean the Triumph Thruxton that I have on my wish list will be 8% cheaper? or is that related to the Thai Baht?

Aston Martins,
Triumphs,
JCBs,
Beer,
Ariel Atoms,
Bespoke SuperCars made in someone's garage that cost a fortune,
Other Stuff (probably)

[Ocean1]

What does England make that we would buy these days?

Welfare dependencies?

[Ocean1]

Aston Martins,
Triumphs,
JCBs,
Beer,
Ariel Atoms,
Bespoke SuperCars made in someone's garage that cost a fortune,
Other Stuff (probably)

OK, welfare dependencies and that shit.

Which, to be fair, (just for the exercise) is a growing industry right here.

[YellowDog]

What does England make that we would buy these days?
does it mean the Triumph Thruxton that I have on my wish list will be 8% cheaper? or is that related to the Thai Baht?

You're not getting this - lol

The UK is a buyer, not a seller, and every exporter's best friend.

Drink the warm beer and smile. You're on to a winner :)

[jonbuoy]

We... as in Russia and US, the British just held on to the jumping off point for D day :laugh:

I used to have a flatmate who sang " One World Cup and Two World Wars Do dah Do dah"

Did England think they were playing the staff of the High St shop with the same name?:bleh:

You mean the Americans who just waited until England had crippled itself before getting involved and then kept charging England for the privilege?

[george formby]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/08/brexit-lessons-the-uk-could-learn-from-nimble-new-zealand/

That's the 3rd article I've read in 48 hours which has given me new reasons to pause for thought.

The complexity and myriad of consequences before and after the vote has my head fried. I'm mentally holding my breath.

[Ocean1]

That's the 3rd article I've read in 48 hours which has given me new reasons to pause for thought.

The complexity and myriad of consequences before and after the vote has my head fried. I'm mentally holding my breath.

Given that the UK's initial involvement with the EU was based on a comprehensive free trade agreement it's instructive to note that probably the one valid reason they've given in cutting themselves free of it is the ingrained protectionism Brussels has engineered since then.

It's just an editorial, but it's becoming increasingly hard to see how NZ is doing through the smoke of polarised and extreme rhetoric from everyone with an internet connection, and such pieces are at least less fraught with bullshit than local sources.

Isn't it likely that they've got the same problem? That any perspective on pretty much anything let alone something as complex as Brexit is completely buried under terabytes of both heavily spun political statements and unadulterated ignorance?

[oldrider]

If memory serves however - we Won that one.

Really? - :shifty: - I wish it was that simple but I believe that there were very few winners and none of them were participants! :oi-grr: (yeah I know rave on rave on!) :shutup:

[YellowDog]

You have to feel for these poor guys :(

[mada]

Boxit - with Boris out of the race now. Next up Coxit (when Corbyn gets the boot).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11666578

[jonbuoy]

Really? - :shifty: - I wish it was that simple but I believe that there were very few winners and none of them were participants! :oi-grr: (yeah I know rave on rave on!) :shutup:

60 odd million were definitely on a looser. I'm sure pretty much all WW2 veterans feel the same. My grandad refuses to wear his medals and March for the cameras. In his words "it was bloody awful and nothing to be proud of".

[Voltaire]

Now that Cameron has had his Chamberlain, Boris lacks the bottle to follow thru on his false claims, who will do the Dunkirk bit and save the Disunited Kingdom from the EU bureaucrats

[YellowDog]

I wouldn't rate Boris as a PM. Grove is certainly strong enough, however I suspect the Theresa will get the nod :yes:

[Voltaire]

I wouldn't rate Boris as a PM. Grove is certainly strong enough, however I suspect the Theresa will get the nod :yes:

Its better than Yes Minister.:girlfight:

Looks like it still has to go to the Commons for a vote. That could be interesting.


JPMorgan’s Malcolm Barr, who covers UK economics and politics for the bank, thinks the new Prime Minister will go to parliament to ratify Article 50 before notifying the EU since the referendum result is not actually legally binding. This will give MPs the opportunity to reject it.

The bank says 20 Tory MPs would have to defy the new Prime Minister, whoever that may be, in order for Article 50 to be defeated in the House of Commons, assuming Labour and other opposition parties reject it. Labour MP David Lammy has already called for MPs to reject Article 50 when it comes before the House.

[YellowDog]

Right. F#ck this. We're ALL up sh#t creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.
Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all pissed off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just piss off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, twats!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to fucking Gibraltar. OK?
Politicians.

David. F#ck off. Shut the door behind you. Now. George. You may be a twat but you're our twat. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-ass routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the F#ck her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that fucking bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the sh#t out of 'em.
Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we fucking love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. F#ck it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that sh#t coming. We definitely need more of that good sh#t!
Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

[oldrider]

Now that Cameron has had his Chamberlain, Boris lacks the bottle to follow thru on his false claims, who will do the Dunkirk bit and save the Disunited Kingdom from the EU bureaucrats

That is a very good question? - "Who" will they really represent is a large part of that question too?

Unfortunately the answer will become clear far too late if it is "not" the British people! - Thank goodness all politicians are honourable statesmen at heart! :mellow:

[jonbuoy]

That is a very good question? - "Who" will they really represent is a large part of that question too?

Unfortunately the answer will become clear far too late if it is "not" the British people! - Thank goodness all politicians are honourable statesmen at heart! :mellow:

Borris was behind the whole campaign and now he's ducking for cover. I find the whole thing embarrassing. It's a win for Sun readers and white van man who still thinks England has an Empire and views Europe as "that funny place where people eat fish and smelly cheese".

[YellowDog]

Borris was behind the whole campaign and now he's ducking for cover. I find the whole thing embarrassing. It's a win for Sun readers and white van man who still thinks England has an Empire and views Europe as "that funny place where people eat fish and smelly cheese".

Some strange and irrelevant words there. How about some actual reasons to stay and a demonstration as to how the EU could ever actually succeed?

48.1% of the dumbed down, permanently stoned, paranoid, gullible, OR just feel that getting pissed & fucked in Greece or Spain are the most important issues for them and their country; so they voted to stay.

I started this thread asking for reasons to vote to stay. I didn't get any, just innane ramble and prophecy. I can think of some good reasons myself, but they didn't seem strong enough. I was hoping some on here might have been able to offer some better arguments to persuade me.

What makes me laugh is that immigration was low down on the list of my issues to consider. I always believed that if it became a big enough problem, the rules could be changed appropriately. But look how the idiot NZ media has made that the primary focus and somehow realated it to NZ immigration, which it is not even remotely similar to. Most immigrants in to NZ have to qualify to get here and inject large amounts of foreign cash in to the economy. The country wants and needs them. The vast majority of immigrants in to the UK are paracites and suck out of the economy, for their personal gain.

In my view, the people of NZ in to the UK and the vote would have been 70/30 to leave.

[Voltaire]

What i find interesting is that Nigal Farage was/is a Member of European parliament stood up and said along the lines of " you lot have never done a days work...blah ...blah"
However happy to take the salary for years and years and by the look of it hate the place.
Then reading todays English papers sounds like Johnson and Gove 'planned' to push Brexit so they could get rid of Cameron and take over.


The whole thing has got Europeans thinking about the mechanics of the EU and do they really need a lot of it, good to see some dialog on it.

Will be while if ever before the Art 50 button is pressed me thinks.


Brexit has become very addictive, much better than a TV series.

[YellowDog]

What i find interesting is that Nigal Farage was/is a Member of European parliament stood up and said along the lines of " you lot have never done a days work...blah ...blah"
However happy to take the salary for years and years and by the look of it hate the place.
Then reading todays English papers sounds like Johnson and Gove 'planned' to push Brexit so they could get rid of Cameron and take over.


The whole thing has got Europeans thinking about the mechanics of the EU and do they really need a lot of it, good to see some dialog on it.

Will be while if ever before the Art 50 button is pressed me thinks.


Brexit has become very addictive, much better than a TV series.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LCcHrDMsfDg/hqdefault.jpg
__________________________________________________ ___

[Tazz]

Some strange and irrelevant words there. How about some actual reasons to stay and a demonstration as to how the EU could ever actually succeed?

48.1% of the dumbed down, permanently stoned, paranoid, gullible, OR just feel that getting pissed & fucked in Greece or Spain are the most important issues for them and their country; so they voted to stay.

I started this thread asking for reasons to vote to stay. I didn't get any, just innane ramble and prophecy. I can think of some good reasons myself, but they didn't seem strong enough. I was hoping some on here might have been able to offer some better arguments to persuade me.

What makes me laugh is that immigration was low down on the list of my issues to consider. I always believed that if it became a big enough problem, the rules could be changed appropriately. But look how the idiot NZ media has made that the primary focus and somehow realated it to NZ immigration, which it is not even remotely similar to. Most immigrants in to NZ have to qualify to get here and inject large amounts of foreign cash in to the economy. The country wants and needs them. The vast majority of immigrants in to the UK are paracites and suck out of the economy, for their personal gain.

In my view, the people of NZ in to the UK and the vote would have been 70/30 to leave.

And ironically I'd guess the freedom of movement might be something that remains :lol:

[YellowDog]

And ironically I'd guess the freedom of movement might be something that remains :lol:

I don't think that would be an election winner :no:

Becoming a 'Norway' would make them worse off than before, not better :lol:

They need to focus on non-EU agreements and force the EU beg the the UK to continue to do business with them.

Hire Donald Trump, he'll do the deals for them ;)

[jonbuoy]

I don't think that would be an election winner :no:

Becoming a 'Norway' would make them worse off than before, not better :lol:

They need to focus on non-EU agreements and force the EU beg the the UK to continue to do business with them.

Hire Donald Trump, he'll do the deals for them ;)

Freedom of movement is exactly that. You can't pick and choose which EU countries are allowed to enter the UK. The arrogance and narrow mindedness of the majority of the British general population is quite staggering. You don't read the Sun by any chance do you?

[jonbuoy]

Some strange and irrelevant words there. How about some actual reasons to stay and a demonstration as to how the EU could ever actually succeed?

48.1% of the dumbed down, permanently stoned, paranoid, gullible, OR just feel that getting pissed & fucked in Greece or Spain are the most important issues for them and their country; so they voted to stay.

I started this thread asking for reasons to vote to stay. I didn't get any, just innane ramble and prophecy. I can think of some good reasons myself, but they didn't seem strong enough. I was hoping some on here might have been able to offer some better arguments to persuade me.

What makes me laugh is that immigration was low down on the list of my issues to consider. I always believed that if it became a big enough problem, the rules could be changed appropriately. But look how the idiot NZ media has made that the primary focus and somehow realated it to NZ immigration, which it is not even remotely similar to. Most immigrants in to NZ have to qualify to get here and inject large amounts of foreign cash in to the economy. The country wants and needs them. The vast majority of immigrants in to the UK are paracites and suck out of the economy, for their personal gain.

In my view, the people of NZ in to the UK and the vote would have been 70/30 to leave.

At the moment anyone from the UK can move to any country in Europe, register, put their kids in a local school get a job seekers allowance live and work on equal footing with people who were born there.

At the moment I can order anything from the UK without it having to go through customs. I very rarely order anything from outside the EU as I have to pay an unknown duty amount and it can take weeks to clear customs.

Both of these situations will change when the UK finally exits.

I don't think the UK will save any money and I don't think they will be allowed to pick and choose which EU countries are allowed freedom of movement into the UK.

The worst part is the UK now don't have any say in which countries can join the EU.

[Tazz]

I don't think that would be an election winner :no:

Becoming a 'Norway' would make them worse off than before, not better :lol:

They need to focus on non-EU agreements and force the EU beg the the UK to continue to do business with them.

Hire Donald Trump, he'll do the deals for them ;)

Probably not, but it might still be a reality. Immigration from within the EU was a problem ten years ago anyway let alone now. In my.mind the damage is done anyway.

It's early days but from what I can gather from the ewes stance so far is that if the UK wants freedom of travel for its own citizens within the EU, it's going to have to give the same. Time will tell.

[pritch]

All this fuss about fuck all. Nothing has changed, and it's quite possible that nothing will. Until Britain officially informs the EU that it's leaving nothing changes. The Poms don't even know yet how to invoke Article 50 which is the mechanism used. The Queen has the authority but won't use it of course. The lawyers will argue about whether Cabinet can do it, or if it needs an act of parliament. Meantime nothing changes.

Cameron said he would invoke article 50 immediately. He didn't, he put it off until Autumn. If they ever announce that the referendum is being shelved it will probably be during a spell of crap weather in winter. Less temptation for people to take to the streets in protest then.

Alternatively, in about five years people will wonder, "What referendum?"

[YellowDog]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36702468

Farage Quits, 'cos he wants his life back :lol:

[awa355]

When the shit thickens, it doesn't take long for the 'Leaders' to start jumping ship. Sorting out the mess obviously goes into the too hard basket. Not many Churchill's amongst this lot.

[yokel]

These people protesting the result are morons of the highest level, much like Voltaire and Husaberg.

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[Voltaire]

Nice to be thought of so early in the day, now pop your high vis vest on and off to work with you.

http://media.fyre.co/00qiKvugRUGakEOZdfhn_rats-sinking-ship-380x198.jpg


The rats are Mr Cameron, he is the Prime Minister, Mr Johnson, he wanted to be Prime Minister and thought this was an easy way to do it but it sort of backfired and his besty Mr Gove also wanted to be Prime Minister, now all the Tory cabinet want to be PM and so far no one has a plan.
Mr Farage who is not even a UK MP thought he would piss off his old boss the EU.

[mashman]

Nice to be thought of so early in the day, now pop your high vis vest on and off to work with you.

Titpanic :eek:

The rats are Mr Cameron, he is the Prime Minister, Mr Johnson, he wanted to be Prime Minister and thought this was an easy way to do it but it sort of backfired and his besty Mr Gove also wanted to be Prime Minister, now all the Tory cabinet want to be PM and so far no one has a plan.
Mr Farage who is not even a UK MP thought he would piss off his old boss the EU.

A plan to do what? :shifty:

[Voltaire]

A plan to do what? :shifty:


That probably what the rest of your former countrymen are thinking now :rolleyes:

A: Quick, ring up the Commonwealth countries and say " we're back"

B: Tell all the immigrants " pack your bags'

Certainly the most interesting Brit politics has been since Thatcher times.

[mashman]

That probably what the rest of your former countrymen are thinking now :rolleyes:

A: Quick, ring up the Commonwealth countries and say " we're back"

B: Tell all the immigrants " pack your bags'

Certainly the most interesting Brit politics has been since Thatcher times.

S'ok... all is saved. Chancellor's Tax Plan To Cushion Brexit Blow (https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/chancellors-tax-plan-cushion-brexit-021420432.html)

The place is a basket case. Has been for decades. No two ways about it. You'll see it for yourselves soon enough :bleh:

A united Europe is only useful when it is perceived that Europe is going to, and will, do well.

Aye... it'll be interesting to see who assumes the throne.

[Tazz]

The plan so far is to compete with Ireland at being an absolute shambles?

Well, at least he put forth something that day and didn't just resign I guess :laugh:

[Paul in NZ]

That probably what the rest of your former countrymen are thinking now :rolleyes:

A: Quick, ring up the Commonwealth countries and say " we're back"

B: Tell all the immigrants " pack your bags'

Certainly the most interesting Brit politics has been since Thatcher times.



What might be more interesting what happens to all those Brits who bought a house in the sunny parts of Europe....

Darn....

[Tazz]

What might be more interesting what happens to all those Brits who bought a house in the sunny parts of Europe....

Darn....

Seaside property in Portugal might become cheap again you reckon? Yussss!

[Voltaire]

Seaside property in Portugal might become cheap again you reckon? Yussss!

Portugal....my lasting memory from my 04 round Europe in a 1971 VW Camper trip is the chicken sandwich I had in Lisbon resulting in being sick in campground with temps of 40+ for 5 days and having said VW broken into and my Sandeman Port nicked that I got in Porto ( which is a nice place).
Only other place I was broken into was in Bilbao Spain visiting the Guggenheim, fortunately I was semi prepared with a 105mm Ammo box bolted to the floor with padlocks on it.
For a Sunny spot I'd go for Greece :yes:

[jonbuoy]

What might be more interesting what happens to all those Brits who bought a house in the sunny parts of Europe....

Darn....

Nothing to say you cant own property and not be a resident in Europe. Spain will give you residency if you spend over €500K on a place and your not an EU resident. The longer your in their country the more money you can spend. I have a friend who has just taken up retirement residency in Portugal - they gave him a good deal on taxes on his investments - better than Spain.

[Berries]

Portugal....my lasting memory from my 04 round Europe in a 1971 VW Camper trip is the chicken sandwich I had in Lisbon resulting in being sick in campground with temps of 40+ for 5 days and having said VW broken into and my Sandeman Port nicked that I got in Porto ( which is a nice place).
Only other place I was broken into was in Bilbao Spain visiting the Guggenheim, fortunately I was semi prepared with a 105mm Ammo box bolted to the floor with padlocks on it.
For a Sunny spot I'd go for Greece :yes:
And that is exactly why the vote went that way, all those thieving bloody wops and their donkeys.

Up yours Delors (http://www.classicheadlines.co.uk/up-yours-delors/?doing_wp_cron=1467718693.9098980426788330078125)

[Tazz]

http://m.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/entire-country-decides-to-leave-things-half-finished-and-fk-off-20160705110230

[Voltaire]

http://m.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/entire-country-decides-to-leave-things-half-finished-and-fk-off-20160705110230

lol :laugh::laugh::laugh:


BRITONS have been inspired to just abandon what they were doing and fuck off.

The actions of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Chris Evans have led the nation to conclude that if something involves hassle then suddenly giving up without warning is the right thing to do.

Ice cream van operator Roy Hobbs said: “I was selling a child an ice cream but got sick of him counting out his change, so I took 20p, gave him an empty cone and drove off.

“As a UKIP supporter, I’m sure that’s what Nigel would have done. I might send him a message of support later, by which I mean turning on the computer then not bothering.”

Mum-of-two Donna Sheridan said: “I usually drive my son the whole 10 miles to primary school, but today I didn’t feel like it so I left him halfway and went to the hairdresser.

“He wasn’t happy but he’s learnt the valuable life lesson that you don’t need to finish anything you started. Who knows, one day he might be a successful politician like Boris.”

She added: “Tonight my husband’s taking me for a lovely romantic meal but couldn’t be arsed to book anywhere good so we’re going to Chicken Cottage.”

Builder Norman Steele said: “I finished building a house today. There’s no roof, windows or doors so the owners will just have to wear waterproofs and look out for burglars.”

[oldrider]

BREXIT? - An opportunity for Britain to breathe again as a free nation unshackled from suffocating Europe? - :corn: (United States of Europe? - or death by a thousand cuts!) :facepalm:

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[Voltaire]

That was an interesting breakie watch.
Made in 2004 when Nigal Farage was an MEP ....which he still is.
I like how he was saying leave the EU then, going on about you could get a cheap flight to Strasburg to work for 3 days a month for 44 Quid and claim the full fare of 800 quid.
No wonder he stayed in that job.


Nigel Farage plans to pocket his £84,000 MEP salary until we officially quit the EU. Nigel Farage and his fellow Ukip MEPs will continue to pocket their £84,000 a year salaries for the foreseeable future, the party has confirmed.

Churchill's time was 1940 to 1945, he was not much good as a non wartime MP or PM.

Probably much the same as Nigal who has " fought the leave EU fight" and is not leaving it to someone more suitable.

Disappointed that there was no reference to Zionists or Golumn Sacks .

I suppose there is another video with people under the age of 50 who say the EU is marvelous.

I do agree that the whole centralisation and control is not really needed.

Nigal voted against the Eastern Block entering the EU along the lines of " they had just had 60 years of Cental rule and did not really need another"

[Katman]

I do agree that the whole centralisation and control is not really needed.

The Zionists would probably disagree with you there.

[YellowDog]

New Zealand should become a part of the 'Pacific Rim & Australasian Territories' community, so they can partake in the borderless 'Countries United Naturally for Tolerance' scheme.

If we do this, we can then have Islamic ghettos and Shaia Law to mix in with our overly tolerant softy laws.

All 'PRAT' & ‘CUNT’ members should be governed and controlled from Fiji, being the closest Belgium equivelent around these parts.

It’ll be great!

Problems all sorted. :gob:

John Key can now retire, with a knighthood.

Andrew Little, it's over! You are still a little person :wacko:

[oldrider]

Like him or not - the thread of what he is saying here is worthy of at least some consideration!

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[Voltaire]

Stopped at 8 minutes, he sure knows how to drag out " some secret organization wanted regime change and organised 911 so they could go off to Iraq and so on"
People pay to see this guy :eek:

[YellowDog]

In case anyone doesn't realise: David Ike was a former soccer player. He became a TV presenter before he became the messiah. He thinks he is Jesus reincarnated and is amongst us to save the world. Farkin fruit cake :yes:

[Voltaire]

In case anyone doesn't realise: David Ike was a former soccer player. He became a TV presenter before he became the messiah. He thinks he is Jesus reincarnated and is amongst us to save the world. Farkin fruit cake :yes:

Wasn't the Messiah a Carpenter?
One of this disciples lives in Tauranga and is stumping up $150 to listen :facepalm:

[Woodman]

Wasn't the Messiah a Carpenter?
One of this disciples lives in Tauranga and is stumping up $150 to listen :facepalm:

$150 ? wtf sort of moron would pay $150 when there is free brainwashing available.

[Voltaire]

$150 ? wtf sort of moron would pay $150 when there is free brainwashing available.

Thats what you MSM media morons say,

supporting clip in the absence of an actual opinion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kip2w-DceV0

:lol:

[oldrider]

Stopped at 8 minutes, he sure knows how to drag out " some secret organization wanted regime change and organised 911 so they could go off to Iraq and so on"
People pay to see this guy :eek:

Unfortunately that is what I meant if you simply listened to the thread and substituted reality for his fantasy there was an element of truth there!

The trouble is he was so boring to listen to - oh well nothing ventured nothing gained - Blair was only a puppet in that whole war game, certainly not the instigator!

A guilty puppet just the same but certainly not alone! :no: Maybe I gave you too much credit for sorting the wood from the trees! :confused:

[Voltaire]

Maybe I gave you too much credit for sorting the wood from the trees! :confused:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6b/3c/c3/6b3cc378229d8f138725d246296d29ba.jpg

The expression is sorting out the chaff from the wheat.

Rant and Rave is mostly chaff.

[oldrider]

.. :lol: 10 characters M Kay!

[oldrider]

Another angle on BREXIT? - (Good old Nigel features in this one too - who does he really work for?)

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[bbnet]

Brief interview of economist Hans Herman Hoppe regarding nature of EU (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/hans-hermann-hoppe/sinkhole-economic-moral-perversion/)

excerpt:
What do you predict, then, will be the future of the EU?

The EU and the ECB are a moral and economic monstrosity, in violation of natural law and the laws of economics. You cannot continuously punish productivity and success and reward idleness and failure without bringing about the disaster. The EU will slide from one economic crisis to the next and ultimately break apart. The Brexit, that we have just experienced, is only the first step in this inevitable process of devolution and political decentralization.

[YellowDog]

Queenie & Chaz on BREXIT:

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[Voltaire]

Article from Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/world-economic-crisis-brexit-eu-referendum-spain-italy-us-political-stage-results-dangerous-a7153256.html

A lot of it sounds way nearer than the other side of the world.:crazy:

[Blackbird]

Article from Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/world-economic-crisis-brexit-eu-referendum-spain-italy-us-political-stage-results-dangerous-a7153256.html

A lot of it sounds way nearer than the other side of the world.:crazy:

That article sort of parallels this one: https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.s3qphokq8 . One the face of it, quite disturbing with light at the end of the tunnel because of people muddling through. Trouble is, with the world so intertwined these days, it's hard to dodge the fallout.

[Voltaire]

That article sort of parallels this one: https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.s3qphokq8 . One the face of it, quite disturbing with light at the end of the tunnel because of people muddling through. Trouble is, with the world so intertwined these days, it's hard to dodge the fallout.

Hmmm....depressing reading. Trumph will probably be POTUS by end of year due to the BREXIT effect, Germany and Francemay start to turn on refugees and Russia could try a land grab.
Do we still go where England goes?


Might put off buying that Thruxton R :innocent:

[Blackbird]

Hmmm....depressing reading. Trumph will probably be POTUS by end of year due to the BREXIT effect, Germany and Francemay start to turn on refugees and Russia could try a land grab.
Do we still go where England goes?


Might put off buying that Thruxton R :innocent:

Yeah, I saw an article by Michael Moore that reckons that Trump is a shoe-in, not because he's the best candidate but because people are so disaffected that they want to shake up the Establishment. Part of me wants to see Trump in, just to see what happens :facepalm:

Regarding England, I was born and educated there but moved here in '75 when they effectively raised two fingers to the rest of the Commonwealth. We had to go it alone and are the better for it for moving out of England's shadow. Be friends with them, trade with them if it's of advantage to us but there's no way they're ever going to be Big Brother again.

Haha - I'm still mulling over a Bonnie 1200 as a replacement for the Suzuki. Might hang on a bit too :yes:

[jonbuoy]

I was pro stay. But the votes done and they should all be concentrating on moving forward and looking for positives rather than talking themselves into a deeper recession. A free EU, USA and China trade deal would be the best of both worlds. Thank god Turkeys chances of joining the EU have waned.

[YellowDog]

I was pro stay. But the votes done and they should all be concentrating on moving forward and looking for positives rather than talking themselves into a deeper recession. A free EU, USA and China trade deal would be the best of both worlds. Thank god Turkeys chances of joining the EU have waned.

NZ & AUS will be able to stay in the uK for 2 years and not be subject to the EU restrictions. Free Trade deals with AUS, NZ, & USA will be more than enough.

The markets are presently absolute heaven for the traders. The more ups and downs, the better for them to get very very rich.

That's all it is.

[YellowDog]

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[jonbuoy]

The German people are paying the price for Merkels niavety. Wouldn't surprise me to see a push from the German people for more border and immigration controls. Britain wanting border control wasn't about stopping native Europeans from traveling for work, it was about being forced to give the same benefits to fresh migrants and refugees.

You can stick a New Zealander/Brit/Spaniard/German family in any country in Europe and they will get along just fine with the local populace. Throw some extreme beliefs/up bringings and that all changes. It's not racism it's a fact- I struggled living with the Middle Eastern culture.

[oldrider]

Interesting - Published on 26 Jul 2016

Tommy Robinson - the most "hated" or bravest man in Britain, discusses the beheading of a French priest in Normandy, as well as the "religion of peace" and how Europe is being culturally enriched by millions of Muslim migrants.

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[Voltaire]

The Commonwealth misses British Rule...
http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

[oldrider]

The Commonwealth misses British Rule...
http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

So that's why you behave the way you do - it's your breeding! :rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

So that's why you behave the way you do - it's your breeding! :rolleyes:

Really, you can tell that of some silly banter on an internet forum :clap::clap::clap:

[oldrider]

Really, you can tell that of some silly banter on an internet forum :clap::clap::clap:

Well it was supposed to be a bit of a joke "because" it was so improbable a judgement! - Sigh :facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Well it was supposed to be a bit of a joke "because" it was so improbable a judgement! - Sigh :facepalm:

Oh....thats what :innocent: was for.....:facepalm:

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[TheDemonLord]

Bit of a Necro - but the last 72 hours in British Politics have been bloody amazing.

Theresa Mays abominable Deal got utterly annihilated in the Vote.

Communist Corbyn then called for a Vote of no-confidence.

Labour's extremists want to cancel Brexit, Labour's moderates want another referendum, Labour's last few sane MPs that care about the working classes who voted to leave are tentatively saying maybe it'd be okay to leave without a Deal.

TL;DR is that Labour don't know what they want, they only know they don't want what the Tories want. Ironically most of the Tories didn't want that deal either!

Theresa May then survived the Vote of no-confidence.

The Doom and Gloom Remoaners have been scrying portents of Armageddon in the winds (just like the time before, the time before that, the time before that etc. none of which came to pass)

JRM has been positively dapper and classy as always

And then, in a way that only true, Great British incompetence can achieve - some in the EU are now worrying that the UK will leave without a Deal and that maybe they shouldn't have insisted on a Backstop and perhaps they need the UK afterall - Even Verhifstadt was saying in an interview after the deal was nuked off the face of British Politics that maybe he might've got it wrong.

[Voltaire]

They should just leave, turn the clock back to 1940 and make a nice cup of tea.

The Commonwealth are chomping at the bit for the Queen to ring up and say " Air hair lair....its business as usual":lol:

The good thing about when the UK joined the Common Market is we stopped getting their cars :niceone:

[Laava]

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[YellowDog]

Yes, I have been following the ineptitude.

The answer is very simple and the UK needs to call Europe's bluff.

"Junker, you have failed. Goodbye"

It is as easy as that. If the bankrupt states of the EU want any chance of staying afloat and the EU ideal not capitulating into a total failure, they will come begging and push the "Drunker Junker" fellow, out of the frame.

One of the things I have always done, is to short trade currencies. So far so good and I'm just waiting for the 'All-in" moment.

[WALRUS]

A Dutch newspaper's front page...

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Apparently it means "Whipped' or "Beaten"

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, I have been following the ineptitude.

The answer is very simple and the UK needs to call Europe's bluff.

"Junker, you have failed. Goodbye"

It is as easy as that. If the bankrupt states of the EU want any chance of staying afloat and the EU ideal not capitulating into a total failure, they will come begging and push the "Drunker Junker" fellow, out of the frame.

One of the things I have always done, is to short trade currencies. So far so good and I'm just waiting for the 'All-in" moment.

I do wonder if the UK are inadvertently going to end up calling Europe's bluff, by piss-arsing around so much that they end up forcing the EU to re-negotiate.

[Ocean1]

I do wonder if the UK are inadvertently going to end up calling Europe's bluff, by piss-arsing around so much that they end up forcing the EU to re-negotiate.

It's got me fucked why they're voting on whether to accept the widely predicted consequences of Brexit now at all.

They voted for Brexit. End of discussion. Do the best deal you can by all means, but then voting not to accept that deal is a classic toddler tantrum.

[Banditbandit]

It's got me fucked why they're voting on whether to accept the widely predicted consequences of Brexit now at all.

They voted for Brexit. End of discussion. Do the best deal you can by all means, but then voting not to accept that deal is a classic toddler tantrum.

Yes - and they have nowhere else to go now .. the EU has made it clear the deal, which the Brit Parliament rejected, is the EU bottom line.

So - it looks like it is going to be a hard exit .. with no agreement.

So on march 30 anyone traveling from Britain to the EU is going to need a visa .. and go through customs, etc .

[YellowDog]

Yes - and they have nowhere else to go now .. the EU has made it clear the deal, which the Brit Parliament rejected, is the EU bottom line.

So - it looks like it is going to be a hard exit .. with no agreement.

So on march 30 anyone traveling from Britain to the EU is going to need a visa .. and go through customs, etc .

The deal was shit. There was no negotiation, just obstructive games. The EU is fucked, but the just don't yet know it. This bunch of bankrupt states has just pushed out its main cash cow. Not so difficult to work out how that is going to play out. Fukwits.

You don't need Visas to travel to the UK, from most EU countries. Many Brits live in EU countries and still will.

Just waiting for the currency to collapse before I buy a house in Spain :)

[Banditbandit]

The deal was shit. There was no negotiation, just obstructive games. The EU is fucked, but the just don't yet know it. This bunch of bankrupt states has just pushed out its main cash cow. Not so difficult to work out how that is going to play out. Fukwits.

You don't need Visas to travel to the UK, from most EU countries. Many Brits live in EU countries and still will.

Just waiting for the currency to collapse before I buy a house in Spain :)

The agreement for no visas is part of being in the EU - if they get out of the EU that goes ..

[george formby]

The deal was shit. There was no negotiation, just obstructive games. The EU is fucked, but the just don't yet know it. This bunch of bankrupt states has just pushed out its main cash cow. Not so difficult to work out how that is going to play out. Fukwits.

You don't need Visas to travel to the UK, from most EU countries. Many Brits live in EU countries and still will.

Just waiting for the currency to collapse before I buy a house in Spain :)

Crikey, you drive a hard bargain. There are thousands of new villas sat empty from the building boom collapse. Box of beer and a bag of chips will get a nice one with a pool and ocean or mountain view.

[oldrider]

All is not exactly as it appears and there is much to learn about the City of London. (England?) :scratch: - (Add in Washington DC and Vatican City to make up an interesting trilogy?) :corn:

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Two Londons - why it matters.

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[YellowDog]

The agreement for no visas is part of being in the EU - if they get out of the EU that goes ..

You didn't need visas before the EU and you won't after the EU. It's up to the EU, if it wants to introduce the need for Visas. Passports is what you will need, which you didn't need whilst the UK was a member.

[YellowDog]

The agreement for no visas is part of being in the EU - if they get out of the EU that goes ..

Sister-in-law bough a 4 bed house for about NZ$300k in a coastal town, 2 years ago.

It would have to get closer to NZ$100k for me to be interested.

[Swoop]

Communist Corbyn then called for a Vote of no-confidence.

Theresa May then survived the Vote of no-confidence.
Which fucks up the cunt corbyn's after-the-stable-door-is-closed argument, since it will be a year until another attempt is made.

You didn't need visas before the EU and you won't after the EU. It's up to the EU, if it wants to introduce the need for Visas. Passports is what you will need, which you didn't need whilst the UK was a member.
Spot on! It's just international travel.

Just stop fucking around and leave the EU and their ineptitude. Any country is just that, an independent country and one that needs to stand on it's own two feet without Brussels and Ze germans interfering.

[oldrider]

'URGENT MESSAGE" To All British People ......... (Published on 16 Jan 2015........... How does this stack up now - looking back?) :wait: Time reveals all

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[husaberg]

Really, you can tell that of some silly banter on an internet forum :clap::clap::clap:


https://youtu.be/Iu6YFBQOB3c?t=77
51 secs on

[oldrider]

husaberg and his mate try unsuccessfully to move on - finally a wiser group member (conspiracy theorist?) shows them that there really is a simple alternative solution. - :shifty:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1103351212118818819

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DCExerOsA

[TheDemonLord]

The proof of the pudding is when the EU started asking for an Army.

Does anyone remember when that was dismissed as Brexiteer madness, raving lies?

I do.

I also remember when the EU outright stated it needed an Army. Let me be clear - the EU as it presents itself (as in an Economic Union) has no need for an Army.

The EU as it is warned to be (The desire to create a supra-national state) would require an Army.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qanF-91aJo

[Swoop]

I also remember when the EU outright stated it needed an Army.

Can you imagine how inept an army, run and commanded by a committee of beaurecrats, would be?:crazy:

[Scubbo]

isnt that really just the UN "peacekeepers"?

[Swoop]

isnt that really just the UN "peacekeepers"?
That would be a slightly lesser level of incompetence...

[husaberg]

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