463 state houses vacant due to P contamination.

[george formby]

My pet hate at work is Testing and Tagging of office equipment, what a racket. I get it for building sites but offices.

At least its only a once every 5 years rip off.

Worksafe has put the fear of invisible friend up PCBU's.

I find it useful sometimes as once you give a piece of work a H and S twist no one is likely to decline funding.

On that, Fecking Hampton Downs charge a $25 H and S levy for each meeting. What do you get for it?????

Tag and test, another rort.
We recently had all our kitchen equipment checked, now, our lethal kitchen aid mixers are safe.....

We also have to get a certified company to come in twice a year to clean our extraction canopies. 2 hours work = $1000.......

Speaking to a rep recently I was informed that the probes and laser thermometers we use to verify food temperatures will have to be checked by a certified calibrator. Minimum $80 a pop for a $30 probe... Seems boiling water and ice slurry is not accurate enough.

Hmmmm, I smell a business opportunity. Professional probe calibrator..

[Graystone]

Tag and test, another rort.
We recently had all our kitchen equipment checked, now, our lethal kitchen aid mixers are safe.....

We also have to get a certified company to come in twice a year to clean our extraction canopies. 2 hours work = $1000.......

Speaking to a rep recently I was informed that the probes and laser thermometers we use to verify food temperatures will have to be checked by a certified calibrator. Minimum $80 a pop for a $30 probe... Seems boiling water and ice slurry is not accurate enough.

Hmmmm, I smell a business opportunity. Professional probe calibrator..

You might find it is test and tag (ie, in the correct order). The lethality of appliance has nothing to do with it, they test flex cords and earthing to prevent electric shocks (which can be quite lethal regardless of how dangerous the appliance is).

[jellywrestler]

My pet hate at work is Testing and Tagging of office equipment, what a racket. I get it for building sites but offices.

At least its only a once every 5 years rip off.


why i's not a legal requirement, simply voluntary?
shit, when i started in telecom in 1979 we did it every three months, you'd remember that would ya?

[Voltaire]

why i's not a legal requirement, simply voluntary?
shit, when i started in telecom in 1979 we did it every three months, you'd remember that would ya?

It is....but I work for a US company and they are used to being sued so do all that.

Oh yes, I remember going around all the Post Offices and Telephone exchanges meggering soldering irons, toasters, heaters and so on.

Also used to rebuild those fecking useless B and D orange drills, soldering irons and toasters, and we even had a telephone reconditioning

department with about 30 staff. I used to get the coil rewind lady to do 6 volt ones for my VW.

I also did 6 months on PCS maintenance, you must have had at least one in Wangers?

[YellowDog]

I haven't read enough about the reasoning, to believe it, as of yet. I initially read it as a simple solution to an expensive problem.

Creating bogus global industries, for all to fund, is very much the newest way of the world. I guess it just got too expensive.

If they used the very same tactic with global warming...………………….. :gob:

[jellywrestler]

It is....

no it's not at all, but a lot of companies use that as their standard to cover their arses.
PCS maintenance????
i did get banished to the telephone repair section for a month for being a naughty boy on a course, there were three other staff there, in on period i repaired 201 phones, the three of them did 202....

[Voltaire]

no it's not at all, but a lot of companies use that as their standard to cover their arses.
PCS maintenance????
i did get banished to the telephone repair section for a month for being a naughty boy on a course, there were three other staff there, in on period i repaired 201 phones, the three of them did 202....

:laugh: I was agreeing with you.

PCS, Public Call Station ( phone box) , they would get wrecked in Glen Inness on the weekends and we'd replace all the light fittings the following weekend.
Yes I got told to slow down during my stint fixing phones, did a days worth before morning tea.
Whole area is now high end apartments as Mr Douglas decided to privatize the lot, by then I had buggered off overseas as you could get paid a lot more in Oz.

[YellowDog]

Housing NZ expects to save $30,000,000 a year on testing and spent $51,000,000 on “decontamination” in the 2016/17 financial year. That’s $81,000,000 and that’s only the state housing sector. I’m sure glad I don’t own a herd of dairy cows right about now.


I wouldn’t be surprised if Key, Collins or Dunne’s son had an interest in a testing or “decontamination” contractor.

They could have another flag debate and still come out with change :tugger:

[george formby]

You might find it is test and tag (ie, in the correct order). The lethality of appliance has nothing to do with it, they test flex cords and earthing to prevent electric shocks (which can be quite lethal regardless of how dangerous the appliance is).

That's heavy.

It also implies I am no longer obliged to check the electrical equipment I use for damage which may cause injury or death. Somehow I doubt I could hold the company, or person, doing the testing responsible should their be a failure. If I end up a frazzled, smoking heap on the floor trying to knock up a sponge cake who will swing for it? My employer, nup, little yellow tags everywhere, the testing guy or his boss, nup, they're certified. Me? Probably. Too much butter in the recipe. Don't mention ACC..

Which brings us back to the meth rort -

We are legally obliged to pay through the nose for organisations and businesses to give certification and sign off when they have zero accountability for their "services". In the case of meth, tag and test, many council building and land stipulations, WoF, extractor cleaning and probe calibration, the list is huge - it's presented with a veneer that we are being looked after, protected from ourselves, public safety.

That is a bag of arse.

Sorry, this post may be more pertinent in the conspiracy thread.

[Graystone]

That's heavy.

It also implies I am no longer obliged to check the electrical equipment I use for damage which may cause injury or death. Somehow I doubt I could hold the company, or person, doing the testing responsible should their be a failure. If I end up a frazzled, smoking heap on the floor trying to knock up a sponge cake who will swing for it? My employer, nup, little yellow tags everywhere, the testing guy or his boss, nup, they're certified. Me? Probably. Too much butter in the recipe. Don't mention ACC..

Which brings us back to the meth rort -

We are legally obliged to pay through the nose for organisations and businesses to give certification and sign off when they have zero accountability for their "services". In the case of meth, tag and test, many council building and land stipulations, WoF, extractor cleaning and probe calibration, the list is huge - it's presented with a veneer that we are being looked after, protected from ourselves, public safety.

That is a bag of arse.

Sorry, this post may be more pertinent in the conspiracy thread.

They reduce the risk for those hazards. I don't think it has every been marketed as anything more than that.

[oldrider]

That's heavy.

It also implies I am no longer obliged to check the electrical equipment I use for damage which may cause injury or death. Somehow I doubt I could hold the company, or person, doing the testing responsible should their be a failure. If I end up a frazzled, smoking heap on the floor trying to knock up a sponge cake who will swing for it? My employer, nup, little yellow tags everywhere, the testing guy or his boss, nup, they're certified. Me? Probably. Too much butter in the recipe. Don't mention ACC..

Which brings us back to the meth rort -

We are legally obliged to pay through the nose for organisations and businesses to give certification and sign off when they have zero accountability for their "services". In the case of meth, tag and test, many council building and land stipulations, WoF, extractor cleaning and probe calibration, the list is huge - it's presented with a veneer that we are being looked after, protected from ourselves, public safety.

That is a bag of arse.

Sorry, this post may be more pertinent in the conspiracy thread.

You have to pass a test, get a certificate and a tag for that - are you compliant? :nya:

[Woodman]

That's heavy.

It also implies I am no longer obliged to check the electrical equipment I use for damage which may cause injury or death. Somehow I doubt I could hold the company, or person, doing the testing responsible should their be a failure. If I end up a frazzled, smoking heap on the floor trying to knock up a sponge cake who will swing for it? My employer, nup, little yellow tags everywhere, the testing guy or his boss, nup, they're certified. Me? Probably. Too much butter in the recipe. Don't mention ACC..

Which brings us back to the meth rort -

We are legally obliged to pay through the nose for organisations and businesses to give certification and sign off when they have zero accountability for their "services". In the case of meth, tag and test, many council building and land stipulations, WoF, extractor cleaning and probe calibration, the list is huge - it's presented with a veneer that we are being looked after, protected from ourselves, public safety.

That is a bag of arse.

Sorry, this post may be more pertinent in the conspiracy thread.


The paper trail of responsibility will end at a government department so we will all end up paying for any compensation that may eventuate.

[george formby]

You have to pass a test, get a certificate and a tag for that - are you compliant? :nya:

I learned how to change a plug at school.. not sure if that's still a valid qualification.

We all have to pay? Damned right.

Two bags of arse.:angry:

[Ocean1]

The paper trail of responsibility will end at a government department so we will all end up paying for any compensation that may eventuate.

The way you get to not have govt interfering in your life is you take responsibility for it yourself rather than wail and bitch when bad shit happens.

PS: you’re too late every fuckwit and their brother have already fucked it up, welcome to 1994.

[R650R]

[QUOTE=george formby;1131100164]Tag and test, another rort.
We recently had all our kitchen equipment checked, now, our lethal kitchen aid mixers are safe.....

[QUOTE]

As per oceans post, but to add that personal responsibility has gone out the window and everyones too busy making money, trying to get home early or playing with their phones to care....
Once everyone stopped giving a damn the govt/managers had to come up with a way to make sure people were at least trying to look for dangerous stuff....

Pic from a very famous historic hotel in nth island, my ex took me there for birthday couple years ago. Doesn't show very well in pic there was plenty enough bare copper wire exposed for a fatal electric shock. Not very many plus in room so was rearranging to get right combo for phone chargers, camera battery charger, womens hairdry etc...
Removed immediately and informed hotel management about this and other issues......

Now that's something that could 100% have killed someone. Looked like been like that for long time too. Should be spotted by cleaner at some stage, management should be doing at least a monthly room inspection of things like this....
This could have been a waste of a rescue helicopter/ambo/fire and police time plus a death of person and all that goes for that because someone cant be arsed checking the shit they own. That's why we have all this H&S337129 forced upon us.

[pete376403]

Should be spotted by cleaner at some stage....
.

Minimum wage, and 30 rooms to service. Not something they would have time to notice, even if they knew such things were hazardous. Don't blame the lowest person in the system, blame the company that puts profits before anything else.

[YellowDog]

You wouldn't want to touch that one, whilst fondling around in thhe dark because you forgot to plug your phone in :no:

[Voltaire]

You wouldn't want to touch that one, whilst fondling around in thhe dark because you forgot to plug your phone in :no:

Yeah, its doubtful that a place like that would have RCD's either.

[YellowDog]

Yeah, its doubtful that a place like that would have RCD's either.

When I was in the UK, I noticed that all plugs have fuses in them, rated for the appliance type. So a radio or CD player would just have a 3 amp fuse and if you stuck your finger in it, or it shorted to the frame, the fuse would blow. 3 amps seems a lot more survivable than 10 amps.

I though it was a good idea, however I didn't understand their 13 amp ring main idea :no:

[Swoop]

At least its only a once every 5 years rip off.
Sure that's not a yearly requirement?

[Graystone]

Sure that's not a yearly requirement?

Nah, that's lab type spaces (hostile environments) or regular flex cord, fixed cord in offices is 5 years (just don't mention the standy-sit desks...

Mind you, if the tester is greeted with hostility, he may mark office gear 1 year accordingly :laugh:

[Voltaire]

Nah, that's lab type spaces (hostile environments) or regular flex cord, fixed cord in offices is 5 years (just don't mention the standy-sit desks...

Mind you, if the tester is greeted with hostility, he may mark office gear 1 year accordingly :laugh:

Sit Stand Desks..... not just one lead but potentially 3....kerfeckingching, but as you say only every 5 years.

Monitors are two as the lead detaches.

[Graystone]

Sit Stand Desks..... not just one lead but potentially 3....kerfeckingching, but as you say only every 5 years.

Monitors are two as the lead detaches.

Most have a multi-board under them, so only the one flexes.

All our monitor's and PC's and other detachable leads are rated for 5, not heard of two years for them...

[Honest Andy]

Yeah, the standy desk, or the school projector that gets wheeled from class to class, or the kettle with the lead attached... all meant to be a year because of the movement during normal use.
On the other hand the big photocopier in the corner that never moves doesn't need checking at all.
But they're all just recommended minimum standards, the owner or whoever is "responsible" for the equipment can extend or reduce the period if they want.
For example it would be reasonable to never test any plugpack charger, but equally reasonable to check anything owned by a bricklayer every 5 minutes...

[russd7]

Most have a multi-board under them, so only the one flexes.

All our monitor's and PC's and other detachable leads are rated for 5, not heard of two years for them...

there is no law for these, it is only a recommendation. the only industries that have to test and tag by law are building and construction and early childhood centres and aged care and they have to test every 3 months.
the way i test is to look at the likely hood of cords being moved or plugged in or out of sockets so your average computer station is ok at 5 yrs but your kitchen appliances would be 6 monthly and anything that is used out side regularly would be 3 monthly.
when i check, if an appliance is damaged i will fail it, if a cord has been repaired with insulation tape, i will fail it. and you would be surprised by how many extension cords fail on faulty earth return, the very thing that may save ya life.
call it a rort all you like but proper test and tagging will pick up stuff you dont see, for example, faulty insulation, RCD that arent working properly etc,
test and tag is just like a WOF, it can only tell you an appliance is safe at the time it is tested.
those that don't want to pay for some one to come and test and tag can go and become certified themselves and buy a machine to do their own, its not hard and its not rocket science.

[JimO]

i was told by someone at Hazzardco that you no longer have to tag your gear

[Voltaire]

RCD's are not compulsory in commercial buildings which is odd as staff spend more them there than at home.

After spending over 3k on Test and Tagging they found a faulty laptop power supply.

[russd7]

i was told by someone at Hazzardco that you no longer have to tag your gear
only industries that legally have to test and tag is building and construction, early child hood, aged care. but as a PCBU if someone does get hurt or killed from electrocution and you haven't had your electrical gear checked by a competent person then most likely it will be viewed that you have not done everything reasonably practicable

[russd7]

RCD's are not compulsory in commercial buildings which is odd as staff spend more them there than at home.

After spending over 3k on Test and Tagging they found a faulty laptop power supply.

why not get trained and purchase a machine and do it yourself?

i do ours for the company i work for and have found several extension cords with broken earth wires as well as a faulty rcd and a drill with stuffed insulation. the extension cords and the drill were not obvious until pulled apart. to me that was enough to convince it is worth it as it was all gear i used regularly.

your faulty laptop supply could also have been a fire hazard and if it had caused a fire then that also becomes a H&S issue by putting people in danger, i would say it was 3 grand well spent but again, look at doing it in house, a lot of companies are raping the system and charging exorbitant amounts to test and tag

[Grumph]

For example it would be reasonable to never test any plugpack charger, but equally reasonable to check anything owned by a bricklayer every 5 minutes...

Bricklayers aren't the worst by a long shot. Anything in an electrician's tool kit or workshop is suspect IMO. Too casual....

I worked for an electrical contractor and any time I was asked to use the firm's gear or gear owned by staff, I checked it.
And usually ended up fixing it - properly.

[Honest Andy]

I worked for an electrical contractor and any time I was asked to use the firm's gear or gear owned by staff, I checked it.
And usually ended up fixing it - properly.

Hope you then let him tag it for you, you know it's not really safe until it's tagged...
And billed
;)