View Full Version : 463 state houses vacant due to P contamination.
sidecar bob
8th June 2016, 18:16
Get given a sweet rent deal by the taxpayer because you're a useless fuck, ruin the house with your expensive & illegal habit ensuring that nobody else can use it until a huge amount of remedial work is carried out, also at the expense of the tax payer, to make it safe again.
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
Woodman
8th June 2016, 18:31
It would save a shit load of fucking around if they just put them in prison in the first place.
jellywrestler
8th June 2016, 18:36
Get given a sweet rent deal by the taxpayer because you're a useless fuck, ruin the house with your expensive & illegal habit ensuring that nobody else can use it until a huge amount of remedial work is carried out, also at the expense of the tax payer, to make it safe again.
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
i used to do hnz houses, at one i noticed very few light bulbs and had a supply of second hand ones i kindly gave the lady..... didn't know their other uses!!!
Katman
8th June 2016, 19:02
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
So is there a direct connection between P users and the homeless in your rant?
Or are you just getting more and more putrid by the day?
Delerium
8th June 2016, 19:05
Get given a sweet rent deal by the taxpayer because you're a useless fuck, ruin the house with your expensive & illegal habit ensuring that nobody else can use it until a huge amount of remedial work is carried out, also at the expense of the tax payer, to make it safe again.
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
they should be prevented from ever getting state housing again.
So is there a direct connection between P users and the homeless in your rant?
Or are you just getting more and more putrid by the day?
Confident the implication is that there are likely to be drug dealers getting a free motel at the minute.
mashman
8th June 2016, 19:09
Man gotta earn a $ somehow.
Ocean1
8th June 2016, 19:16
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
Entitled rich prick.
Akzle
8th June 2016, 19:21
smoking P in an house does not make it uninhabitable. (or even much af a health risk. personally i'm more concerned about the ten kinds of toxic chemicals you keep under your sink)
cooking P does.
there are not, have not, nor will be 463 P cooks.
someone is making a tidy packet off a) testing and b) "remediating" houses people have smoked P in.
the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant, because jews.
Akzle
8th June 2016, 19:24
also. don't fucking moan about being a "taxpayer"
that shit's voluntary. you signed up for it, you vote for it. so, err, cry me a fucking river.
sidecar bob
8th June 2016, 19:25
So is there a direct connection between P users and the homeless in your rant?
No, P contamination you fuckin illiterate idiot, that's pretty much how the news story went.
Probably a closer connection than some fucked up conspiracy about vapour trails behind aircraft being mind control chemicals, or some other contrived bullshit.
sidecar bob
8th June 2016, 19:26
also. don't fucking moan about being a "taxpayer"
that shit's voluntary. you signed up for it, you vote for it. so, err, cry me a fucking river.
No, it's a fine for being successful, I chose to be successful.
Katman
8th June 2016, 19:28
No, it's a fine for being successful, I chose to be successful.
You should tell us all again about your Porsche, your BMW, your Audi, and your Mercedes.
Well it seems so, doesn't it, that's pretty much how the news story went.
Probably a closer connection than some fucked up conspiracy about vapour trails behind aircraft being mind control chemicals, or some other contrived bullshit.
I was looking at a contrail today as it lingered. Was reminded of a piece Steve gave me grief about till I read it. It mentions that they stay there longer than they should now, and that was evidence that it might contains chemicals that tinfoilers are scared of. I wondered though, wouldn't they want that shit to disperse? I mean, if it just hangs there it's not gonna do fuck all.
Anyhoo. Don't smoke drugs, cos drugs are bad. Mmmkay.
sidecar bob
8th June 2016, 19:30
You should tell us all again about your Porsche, your BMW, your Audi, and your Mercedes.
Sure, what do you want to know? But the Audi & merc belong to my Mrs, remember? & I have 8 bmw's at the moment, so not sure which one you mean.
Sure, what do you want to know? But the Audi & merc belong to my Mrs, remember? & I have 8 bmw's at the moment, so not sure which one you mean.
can i have one?;)
HenryDorsetCase
8th June 2016, 19:38
Get given a sweet rent deal by the taxpayer because you're a useless fuck, ruin the house with your expensive & illegal habit ensuring that nobody else can use it until a huge amount of remedial work is carried out, also at the expense of the tax payer, to make it safe again.
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
Sympathetic as I might be, I am not sure it is the SAME people who are getting chucked out of methamphetamine contaminate houses that we taxpayers then put up in motels. If it is then clearly there is an issue, though tell me: they all breed like crazy: what do you do with the kids: its not their faults that the useless scum suckers produced them? Off to a camp somewhere?
Also, for example, if they discover meth contamination in my state house, what if it was there when I moved in? do they test them as a matter of course prior to the tenants taking occupation?
I mean, we all GET that there is aproblem, OK? What I am saying is where are the solutions that arent involving camps and ovens and victim blaming?
HenryDorsetCase
8th June 2016, 19:39
they should be prevented from ever getting state housing again.
and their children? where do they go?
Katman
8th June 2016, 19:41
What I am saying is where are the solutions.....
Well clearly that's simple.
Everyone just has to be successful.
HenryDorsetCase
8th June 2016, 19:43
smoking P in an house does not make it inhabitable. (or even much af a health risk. personally i'm more concerned about the ten kinds of toxic chemicals you keep under your sink)
cooking P does.
there are not, have not, nor will be 463 P cooks.
someone is making a tidy packet off a) testing and b) "remediating" houses people have smoked P in.
the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant, because jews.
tell that to my clients who had a nice house. He got a sweet promotion but to another centre. They wanted to keep their house because they want to go back there one day. So they engage a rental agent* and he rents it out. To a meth cook.
House remediation is $65k. Insurance will not pay. Tenants can't pay (what with the jail and all). Currently we are suing the letting agent for not taking due care and attention (and not doing inspections and not vetting these people properly). Fun times. Not.
*dont get me started.
Well clearly that's simple.
Everyone just has to be successful.
If the majority of the populace tried, would the world be better or worse, do you think?
Ocean1
8th June 2016, 19:49
victim blaming
Does the one condition make the other incorrect?
I'm sure there's reasons they're abusing the charity they're afforded, but that don't make them victims.
And guess what, that abuse is perfectly blameworthy.
And so blaming them is both accurate and perfectly reasonable.
Katman
8th June 2016, 19:50
If the majority of the populace tried, would the world be better or worse, do you think?
I'm sure the majority do try.
Some even try and yet still fail.
The quality of a society should be judged by how it treats their less fortunate.
Not by how successful the successful ones are.
Ocean1
8th June 2016, 19:57
The quality of a society should be judged by how it treats their less fortunate.
Not by how successful the successful ones are.
What the fuck is "less fortunate" about taking the charity society offers and trashing it?
I think you'll find that's actually called being an arsehole and a loser.
nzspokes
8th June 2016, 19:59
If the majority of the populace tried, would the world be better or worse, do you think?
Obvious, better. But then the lazy would rebel. Well rebel from the couch. But they won't have a couch. Oh dear, what will the lazy do then?
Katman
8th June 2016, 20:04
So where's the link to the story?
Is every one of those homeless people that need to be housed in a motel at tax payers expense responsible for contaminating a state house?
Akzle
8th June 2016, 20:12
tell that to my clients who had a nice house. He got a sweet promotion but to another centre. They wanted to keep their house because they want to go back there one day. So they engage a rental agent* and he rents it out. To a meth cook.
bro do you even read?
smoking P in an house does not make it inhabitable. (or even much af a health risk. personally i'm more concerned about the ten kinds of toxic chemicals you keep under your sink)
cooking P does.
there are not, have not, nor will be 463 P cooks.
someone is making a tidy packet off a) testing and b) "remediating" houses people have smoked P in.
the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant, because jews.
dafuq's your point?
HenryDorsetCase
8th June 2016, 20:21
Well clearly that's simple.
Everyone just has to be successful.
donkey's government has it covered then. I can stop worrying! Great, The batchelor's on!
HenryDorsetCase
8th June 2016, 20:22
bro do you even read?
dafuq's your point?
as it happens, yes. I just finished a book. It is called "Into the Black" by Rowland White. It is the story of the Space Shuttle from inception to the end of STS-1. Absolutely recommended.
Oh, my point: don't smoke crack bro.
Voltaire
8th June 2016, 20:30
How come they are empty, just find P users and rent them out to them.
Clearly they are not in Auckland of they would have flogged them off for a mill each.
Akzle
8th June 2016, 20:41
Oh, my point: don't smoke crack bro.
but i like crack.
Swoop
8th June 2016, 20:42
Clearly they are not in Auckland of they would have flogged them off for a mill each.
Now that's just silly!
1.3m as a start point. Don't want those peasants south of the Bombays getting ideas above their station in life, do we?
SPman
8th June 2016, 21:22
but i like crack.
Whose?........
Get given a sweet rent deal by the taxpayer because you're a useless fuck, ruin the house with your expensive & illegal habit ensuring that nobody else can use it until a huge amount of remedial work is carried out, also at the expense of the tax payer, to make it safe again.
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
But there Blacks, so there Special its in the treaty fine print, :shutup:
Madness
8th June 2016, 21:39
peasants south of the Bombays...
Fuck you from 2471.
Motels aren't all they're cracked up to be. The extractor fan is fucked in mine so I've been going outside to smoke pot and it's fucking cold.
Imagine trying to smoke a lightbulb outdoors in June. No wonder the cunts do it indoors.
danchop
8th June 2016, 21:43
i think its a rort myself,out of the 463 houses contaminated how many previous tenants have been hospitalised due to the deadly contamination?
another thing is nobody has a fucken clue what levels are ok or not.new Zealand copies usa and nearly every state in the us has a different level as a guideline.
if you look at the websites of the testing companies,most have a disclaimer to say there is actually no medical proof to establish what level is safe or not.
and lastly,who the fuck still uses light bulbs?paupers i presume
Madness
8th June 2016, 22:04
who the fuck still uses light bulbs?paupers i presume
The homeless.
Cunts in motels who left their shit at home.
Homeless cunts in motels.
The cunt next door to an open home I went to in Papatoetoe, smoking his 100 watter on the back porch in full view of the prospective buyers.
Boy Scouts.
Just to name a few.
Akzle
8th June 2016, 22:08
No, it's a fine for being successful, I chose to be successful.
you really are a poor cunt. innit.
(that shit's rhetorical yo.)
Berries
8th June 2016, 23:28
My pee got contaminated after a night in a state house.
That's Christchurch women for you.
bucket boy
9th June 2016, 07:01
You should tell us all again about your Porsche, your BMW, your Audi, and your Mercedes.
When did the porsche turn up
When did the porsche turn up
I text him and asked the same thing. I was disappointed
Voltaire
9th June 2016, 07:52
I text him and asked the same thing. I was disappointed
One of those hideous 4 x 4 Remuera Tractors? :puke:
haydes55
9th June 2016, 08:01
32% of long term P users have attempted to cook P at some stage.
I'm buying a house at the moment, one of the conditions was for a methamphetamine test. Came back 0.29 as an average over the house. Now the bank wants further testing. Further testing, every room is 0 except one which is 0.6, now the vendor has to decontaminate the room, then get it retested again to get it down to an acceptable level.
Methamphetamine is a fucking nightmare in the housing market today. Owning a rental property is more likely to cost you more than leaving it vacant. It's no wonder rent is so expensive. My mortgage is going to be $8 per week more than what I'm paying in rent. And I'm renting a 2 bedroom unit, buying a 3 bedroom house.
Obvious solution is to sell off all state houses and be rid of the department of housing.
Katman
9th June 2016, 08:15
Confident the implication is that there are likely to be drug dealers getting a free motel at the minute.
Well I just watched the news item online and as I suspected, there was absolutely no (as in none, zero, zip, zilch, fucking nada) connection between the empty P contaminated houses and the homeless they are considering housing in motels - other than the fact that they were two unrelated issues mentioned in the same article.
So I can only assume that the OP simply has a revulsion towards the homeless based on the fact that they're not as 'successful' as him. (Or maybe it's because 50% of them are Maori).
I have often been criticised on here as lacking empathy. Don't make me laugh - the OP wouldn't even know where to begin looking for the word in a fucking dictionary.
No wonder he didn't want to supply a link.
So how's that egg on your face doing Drew?
Well I just watched the news item online and as I suspected, there was absolutely no (as in none, zero, zip, zilch, fucking nada) connection between the empty P contaminated houses and the homeless they are considering housing in motels - other than the fact that they were two unrelated issues mentioned in the same article.
So I can only assume that the OP simply has a revulsion towards the homeless based on the fact that they're not as 'successful' as him. (Or maybe it's because 50% of them are Maori).
I have often been criticised on here as lacking empathy. Don't make me laugh - the OP wouldn't even know where to begin looking for the word in a fucking dictionary.
No wonder he didn't want to supply a link.
So how's that egg on your face doing Drew?
I don't reckon anyone is embarrassed by being wrong on here. I still don't reckon you've got the right idea about what was said though.
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 09:26
Well I just watched the news item online and as I suspected, there was absolutely no (as in none, zero, zip, zilch, fucking nada) connection between the empty P contaminated houses and the homeless they are considering housing in motels - other than the fact that they were two unrelated issues mentioned in the same article.
So I can only assume that the OP simply has a revulsion towards the homeless based on the fact that they're not as 'successful' as him. (Or maybe it's because 50% of them are Maori).
I have often been criticised on here as lacking empathy. Don't make me laugh - the OP wouldn't even know where to begin looking for the word in a fucking dictionary.
No wonder he didn't want to supply a link.
So how's that egg on your face doing Drew?
Well post up the link so everyone can make up their own mind on it then.
I have little empathy for people that make poor choices & in this country, being homeless is a choice, choosing not to work, choosing to spend income/benefit unwisely,
My first priority is food & shelter for myself & my family, so excuse me for having no empathy for those that don't make that a first priority.
Youre welcome to give them all the help you want, or even join them if its such a flash idea.
Katman
9th June 2016, 09:33
Well post up the link so everyone can make up their own mind on it then.
I have little empathy for people that make poor choices & in this country, being homeless is a choice, choosing not to work, choosing to spend income/benefit unwisely,
My first priority is food & shelter for myself & my family, so excuse me for having no empathy for those that don't make that a first priority.
Youre welcome to give them all the help you want, or even join them if its such a flash idea.
You wouldn't have a fucking clue.
Keep digging though - it's amusing (in a train crash sort of way).
The news item is on TV1 News On Demand for anyone that cares to log in to watch it.
Banditbandit
9th June 2016, 09:52
, being homeless is a choice,
Yeah .. you're right .. some people just think "It's freezing old and wet - I know ... I will go and live rough ..."
It's a moot point really, it can't be enforced and will provably never happen. We had a WINZ guest in a Motel last week, Her kids rang up a $40 phone bill calling HER cell phone..when asked if she had actually stayed at the Motel she said ''sometimes'' over the two day. Basically she left her kids there while she was off doing other shit. The room was a pit and I found a point bag. The Motel has flagged her as someone not to accept again. Yes she paid the phone bill but some skip without paying the extras and have more Whanau staying than what is considered legal for the room. A king bed and a single does mean you can have six people staying in that room.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 10:17
I text him and asked the same thing. I was disappointed
did he tell you about the Harley he got the other day?
Well I just watched the news item online and as I suspected, there was absolutely no (as in none, zero, zip, zilch, fucking nada) connection between the empty P contaminated houses and the homeless they are considering housing in motels -
isn't the connection - they cant house the homeless in state houses because they are short 400 odd, due to contamination?
Yeah .. you're right .. some people just think "It's freezing old and wet - I know ... I will go and live rough ..."
Like the guy living in the park next to walkway overbridge on takatimu drive, less than 1km from the homeless shelter, that has had numerous government agengies offer him alternative accommodation yet still remains living there?
Or the guy that people were scabbing a tent for on facebook, so he could set up camp in greerton. Even though numerous people had offered him rooms in their houses?
We should build a wall!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skjHaexBV9U
swarfie
9th June 2016, 10:20
Yep, there's always those that are needy and some of them do appreciate what the "system" will and does do for them. BUT there's also those that abuse any help given and IMO they should have a two (one really) strikes and you FUCK OFF and don't get any more help from we the tax payer. Those lowlifes don't deserve our help and as a tax payer (as is the OP) that really shits me. They are stealing from us...end of.:mad:
mashman
9th June 2016, 10:21
You wouldn't have a fucking clue.
Keep digging though - it's amusing (in a train crash sort of way).
The news item is on TV1 News On Demand for anyone that cares to log in to watch it.
There but for the grace of a bit of knowledge.....
:laugh: good description.
The thread works so much better without any real context though.
Katman
9th June 2016, 10:23
isn't the connection - they cant house the homeless in state houses because they are short 400 odd, due to contamination?
Where's the connection between this.....
Apparently the taxpayer now has to fund pre booked motel beds to get the homeless through winter.
I'm fuckin over it, sounds like these pricks deserve to be homeless. Cry me a river.
....and P contaminated houses?
nodrog
9th June 2016, 10:35
Where's the connection between this.....
you're shitting on my dick?
the connection is - 400 odd houses are deemed uninhabitable by government standards, hence they sit empty. If they were available they could put some homeless people in them.
that's 400 familes, or 1600 people (for an average 4 person family), or 8000 Indians.
Katman
9th June 2016, 10:49
you're shitting on my dick?
the connection is - 400 odd houses are deemed uninhabitable by government standards, hence they sit empty. If they were available they could put some homeless people in them.
that's 400 familes, or 1600 people (for an average 4 person family), or 8000 Indians.
Did you miss the highlighted bit of the quote or should I change it to red?
I'm well aware of the reach around culture that exists within the sidecar fraternity but seriously man, blanket statements like this....
....being homeless is a choice.....
....are simply indefensible.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 11:01
Did you miss the highlighted bit of the quote or should I change it to red?
I'm well aware of the reach around culture that exists within the sidecar fraternity but seriously man, blanket statements like this....
....are simply indefensible.
You asked what the connection was between the P houses and the homeless, I pointed it out.
Katman
9th June 2016, 11:11
You asked what the connection was between the P houses and the homeless, I pointed it out.
Are those homeless people (who according to Steve deserve to be homeless) the ones responsible for the contaminated houses?
nodrog
9th June 2016, 11:26
Are those homeless people (who according to Steve deserve to be homeless) the ones responsible for the contaminated houses?
You never asked about responsibility, you mentioned the connection between the P houses and the homeless.
And who knows if they are or not, I couldn't care less, I have a house I can smoke p in.
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 12:00
Yeah .. you're right .. some people just think "It's freezing old and wet - I know ... I will go and live rough ..."
And spend all the money I could use to clothe & shelter myself on alcohol & illegal drugs.
I will also beg for money from the "lucky" people to top up my benefit further in order to to buy more alcohol & drugs.
Akzle
9th June 2016, 12:14
They are stealing from us...end of.:mad:
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stupid old white cunt.
Better vote about it.
pritch
9th June 2016, 13:44
When one has been around a while recurring themes become apparent.
There was an article in the Harold earlier this year, apparently there are more vacant state houses in many areas than there are people on the waiting list. This government does not like social housing so the standard politicians playbook says run the resource down then flog it off to private interests. We are clearly well into the running down phase.
This is not a local phenomenon, the Tory government in Britain is currently suspected of doing the same thing with their National Health Service.
So the number of houses actually available is much less than what exists, some require maintenance, some require earthquake strengthening(?), and a proportion require decontamination. Sure some of the maintenance will be required because of feral arseholes, but more will be due to years of neglect by the government cutting funding.
A few decades ago there was another "housing crisis" although the Minister constantly denied this.
A guy I worked with was a National Party member and at a social function asked the minister did he really not believe that there was a housing crisis, "Of course there is, but I'm not going to admit that in public".
I'm reminded of that conversation every time I see Key/English/Bennett say, "Crisis? What crisis?"
That conversation and the eponymous Supertramp album.
Did you miss the highlighted bit of the quote or should I change it to red?
I'm well aware of the reach around culture that exists within the sidecar fraternity but seriously man, blanket statements like this....
....are simply indefensible.
The p cooks are the cunts that are hated. They are the low lifes. They lived in state homes, and fucked them.
Katman
9th June 2016, 14:53
The p cooks are the cunts that are hated. They are the low lifes. They lived in state homes, and fucked them.
I'm not questioning that though Drew.
I'm questioning the morality of anyone who could suggest that the homeless don't deserve housing because someone else contaminated the place that they might have otherwise been able to move into.
I'm not questioning that though Drew.
I'm questioning the morality of anyone who could suggest that the homeless don't deserve housing because someone else contaminated the place that they might have otherwise been able to move into.
The means to get homes os there. If they can't get their shit together enough to sort it out, fuck 'em.
Katman
9th June 2016, 14:57
The means to get homes os there. If they can't get their shit together enough to sort it out, fuck 'em.
Then you're as morally repugnant as the OP.
Fact is that these ''homeless'' people live in abject squalor and as such they treat any gifted residence the same. We looked after one Motel where two rooms were taken over by one family. They were obviously feral dwellers..the way they left the rooms was unbelievable... the so called mother smoked in the bedroom, when asked about this she said ''but I am a chain smoker and it was wet outside''... I needed a wheelie bin outside the room to clean up what was left so that the cleaners could have a decent go at it. If these feral people rock on up and want a room you can turn them away. Trouble is they book via an online booking portal. After they bastards leave, you have to lock the room off so it's gets a decent clean and leave the odour eliminator running overnight....all at the cost of the Motel, do WINZ give a toss? nah.
Two nights these cunts were there.
Then you're as morally repugnant as the OP.
How so? Am I wrong in saying they could have state homes if they tried? Am I wrong in saying they are entitled to a benefit should they apply?
bucket boy
9th June 2016, 15:15
I couldn't care less, I have a house I can smoke p in.[/QUOTE]
Youre to tight to spend money on groceries let alone p.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 15:21
Youre to tight to spend money on groceries let alone p.
my cleaner gives it to me.
Swoop
9th June 2016, 15:26
With regards to "housing"...
Divest a quantity of actual, real houses from the state.
Invest in a larger quantity of caravans and tents.
Those who abuse the generosity of the state will get lower levels of accommodation.
Nowhere does it say that people need a house. They require accommodation.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 15:32
With regards to "housing"...
Divest a quantity of actual, real houses from the state.
Invest in a larger quantity of caravans and tents.
Those who abuse the generosity of the state will get lower levels of accommodation.
Nowhere does it say that people need a house. They require accommodation.
You're being a meaniehead!
Swoop
9th June 2016, 15:36
You're being a meaniehead!
Nowhere does it say that "the world owes you" anything.
If people choose to be how they are...
"Snakes and ladders". 3D.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 15:39
Nowhere does it say that "the world owes you" anything.
If people choose to be how they are...
"Snakes and ladders". 3D.
now you are being racist.
Swoop
9th June 2016, 15:42
now you are being racist.
Fucking awesome!
Another hat to wear and I didn't even know I was one!
nodrog
9th June 2016, 15:42
Why don't we just shoot all the criminals? Then the jails would be empty and the homeless people can live there. And for food we could feed them the dead criminals.
Grumph
9th June 2016, 16:05
Why don't we just shoot all the criminals? Then the jails would be empty and the homeless people can live there. And for food we could feed them the dead criminals.
Don't have to go that far - has no one ever told you ChCh prison is the biggest supplier of certified organic produce in NZ ?
No joke - they are. Gets up the noses of the market gardeners around here.
Putting your tax dollars to work ?
Banditbandit
9th June 2016, 16:52
Like the guy living in the park next to walkway overbridge on takatimu drive, less than 1km from the homeless shelter, that has had numerous government agengies offer him alternative accommodation yet still remains living there?
Or the guy that people were scabbing a tent for on facebook, so he could set up camp in greerton. Even though numerous people had offered him rooms in their houses?
It's a dangerous assumption to make that these people are sane and normal .. many have mental health problems ... I don't know these specific instances so I can't comment ..
Also "homeless shelters" often charge people ... I remember the day I couldn't afford a night in a homeless shelter ... on a freezing night midwinter in Chch ... I slept in the entrance to the Post Office in Cathedral Square ... Now I pay taxes in the top bracket and own my own home mortgage free ... be careful how you judge people ...
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 16:54
Then you're as morally repugnant as the OP.
Piss off, I take extreme offence to that comment, hes a morally repugnant understudy apprentice compared to me.
A number of people posting on this thread that know both of us well can vouch for that.
Banditbandit
9th June 2016, 16:56
I'm not questioning that though Drew.
I'm questioning the morality of anyone who could suggest that the homeless don't deserve housing because someone else contaminated the place that they might have otherwise been able to move into.
"You must spread some reputation around ..."
Banditbandit
9th June 2016, 17:02
Nowhere does it say that "the world owes you" anything.
If people choose to be how they are...
"Snakes and ladders". 3D.
So a solo mother with three kids (her husband died in a forestry accident) is renting a house. The landlord sells the house and the new owner wants vacant possession ... so he can "do it up" and charge a higher rental ...
She looks for a new place, but can't afford the new levels of rent ...
Instantly homeless .. because of her choices? No .. because some capitalist property speculators wanted to make more money ..
Ignore the mother for a moment ... The children have made no choices at all .. what is our society to do about these children? They will grow up in what is euphemistically called "a vulnerable situation".
These people are victims of our neo-liberal Government who have made the conditions under which they and their wealthy mates make more money - at the expense of the vulnerable ..
Banditbandit
9th June 2016, 17:06
Piss off, I take extreme offence to that comment, hes a morally repugnant understudy apprentice compared to me.
A number of people posting on this thread that know both of us well can vouch for that.
Errr .. you are the OP .. ummm .. are you admitting to extreme moral repugnance???
That's disturbing on many levels ...
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 17:09
Errr .. you are the OP .. ummm .. are you admitting to extreme moral repugnance???
That's disturbing on many levels ...
Those that know me know the truth, those that make sweeping derogatory generalisations about someone based on a few posts on the internet that they haven't managed comprehend properly don't really matter.:msn-wink:
Ignore the mother for a moment ... The children have made no choices at all .. what is our society to do about these children? They will grow up in what is euphemistically called "a vulnerable situation".
These people are victims of our neo-liberal Government who have made the conditions under which they and their wealthy mates make more money - at the expense of the vulnerable ..
I don't want to make assumptions, but do the children all have the same father?
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 17:15
Sure some of the maintenance will be required because of feral arseholes, but more will be due to years of neglect by the government cutting funding.
:laugh: I wish my home could be so neglected.
My boy's job is repairing HNZ houses, talk about better work stories. Seriously, for the price of a HNZ property and it's associated ongoing maintenance it'd be cheaper just to give them the fucking house and walk away.
Does anyone believe that'd be the end of the handouts?
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 17:18
So a solo mother with three kids (her husband died in a forestry accident) is renting a house. The landlord sells the house and the new owner wants vacant possession ... so he can "do it up" and charge a higher rental ...
She looks for a new place, but can't afford the new levels of rent ...
Instantly homeless .. because of her choices? No .. because some capitalist property speculators wanted to make more money ..
Ignore the mother for a moment ... The children have made no choices at all .. what is our society to do about these children? They will grow up in what is euphemistically called "a vulnerable situation".
These people are victims of our neo-liberal Government who have made the conditions under which they and their wealthy mates make more money - at the expense of the vulnerable ..
The capatalist property speculator as you so eloquently put it, is also unlikely to be a burden to society & likely a high bracket taxpayer, a non beneficiary or inmate without a community services card.
As well as making sure my family are housed & fed, my second priority (& I discussed that with a poster on this thread a couple of weeks ago in person) is to make sure that my wife lives a very comfortable life in the event of my untimely demise.
Failure to plan is not the fault of a capatalist property investor, he's just getting on with his life with the risks & benefits that involves, so he can retire comfortably without being a burden on future taxpayers. But he's a soft target to blame & likely couldn't care less that its all his fault.
If it wasn't for "capitalist property speculators" a lot of people wouldn't have anywhere to live.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 17:21
It's a dangerous assumption to make that these people are sane and normal .. many have mental health problems ...
Like this dude?
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648771
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 17:26
These people are victims of our neo-liberal Government who have made the conditions under which they and their wealthy mates make more money - at the expense of the vulnerable ..
That'd be funny if it wasn't so contrived and hackneyed.
:laugh:
So a solo mother with three kids (her husband died in a forestry accident) is renting a house. The landlord sells the house and the new owner wants vacant possession ... so he can "do it up" and charge a higher rental ...
She looks for a new place, but can't afford the new levels of rent ...
Instantly homeless .. because of her choices? No .. because some capitalist property speculators wanted to make more money ..
Ignore the mother for a moment ... The children have made no choices at all .. what is our society to do about these children? They will grow up in what is euphemistically called "a vulnerable situation".
These people are victims of our neo-liberal Government who have made the conditions under which they and their wealthy mates make more money - at the expense of the vulnerable ..
Hear, hear!
The present government appears to have abrogated its social responsibility across many areas, all for the worship of mammon.
Everyone just has to be successful.
Your business was successful wasn't it?
nodrog
9th June 2016, 17:31
It's a dangerous assumption to make that these people are sane and normal .. many have mental health problems ... I don't know these specific instances so I can't comment ..
Also "homeless shelters" often charge people ... I remember the day I couldn't afford a night in a homeless shelter ... on a freezing night midwinter in Chch ... I slept in the entrance to the Post Office in Cathedral Square ... Now I pay taxes in the top bracket and own my own home mortgage free ... be careful how you judge people ...
I'm not judging anybody. The useless cunt has been offered every assistance known to man and still chooses to stay there shitting in a public park, while getting drunk and sexually Harrasing women, and verbally abusing the general public.
And I'd love to know where the free alcohol and food shop is in tauranga. Afterall, apparently this fuckstain doesn't have any money, because he can't pay for free accommodation.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 17:34
I don't want to make assumptions, but do the children all have the same father?
Yeah, "uncle".
Swoop
9th June 2016, 17:42
So a solo mother with three kids is renting a house. The landlord sells the house...
The point, as you are well aware, is that those who abuse the generosity of the taxpayer...
This (hypothetical) lady would not be affected.
The persons who destroy a state/rental house are the issue.
Perhaps the socialist approach is preferable? Put several families into the same residence.
2 x rooms = 2 families. 10 kids? Big deal. Enjoy your room.
Katman
9th June 2016, 17:50
The point, as you are well aware, is that those who abuse the generosity of the taxpayer...
This (hypothetical) lady would not be affected.
The persons who destroy a state/rental house are the issue.
So you are going with the idea that it's the homeless who are the ones who have destroyed these state houses then, are you?
:facepalm:
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 17:57
So you are going with the idea that it's the homeless who are the ones who have destroyed these state houses then, are you?
:facepalm:
Seeing as you're all about it, you need to take a few homeless into your home, see if they destroy it & get back to us with your findings.
If you do, I will never doubt your version of events on anything ever again.
A test period of a minimum of six months should give fair results.
Then you can actually be an expert on a topic upon which you are commentating.
Katman
9th June 2016, 18:05
Your business was successful wasn't it?
It's mildly successful.
Why?
jonbuoy
9th June 2016, 18:06
It's a dangerous assumption to make that these people are sane and normal .. many have mental health problems ... I don't know these specific instances so I can't comment ..
Also "homeless shelters" often charge people ... I remember the day I couldn't afford a night in a homeless shelter ... on a freezing night midwinter in Chch ... I slept in the entrance to the Post Office in Cathedral Square ... Now I pay taxes in the top bracket and own my own home mortgage free ... be careful how you judge people ...
Was that the moment you turned your life around? If someone had given you a house would you be the same person you are today?
mashman
9th June 2016, 18:09
Hear, hear!
The present government appears to have abrogated its social responsibility across many areas, all for the worship of mammon.
Nah bro. The economoney.
mashman
9th June 2016, 18:11
And I'd love to know where the free alcohol and food shop is in tauranga. Afterall, apparently this fuckstain doesn't have any money, because he can't pay for free accommodation.
You should ask him if he has a flat/house from the govt, but rents it out to fund his lifestyle.
It's mildly successful.
Why?
Wondering if you had a Porsche too like SidecarBob.
Katman
9th June 2016, 18:19
Wondering if you had a Porsche too like SidecarBob.
Nah, I own old shitters.
WristTwister
9th June 2016, 18:26
Should it come as a surprise that the most economically disadvantaged would turn to crime to improve their lot?
We have billion dollar companies avoiding tax in NZ and people applaud them for their financial creativity, good on them for beating the system! However some poor uneducated housos turn to making P and they're the scum of the earth. Maybe if the people at the top cared more about the welfare of the people at the bottom, they wouldn't need to resort to making drugs (for the middle class addicts).
Should it come as a surprise that the most economically disadvantaged would turn to crime to improve their lot?
We have billion dollar companies avoiding tax in NZ and people applaud them for their financial creativity, good on them for beating the system! However some poor uneducated housos turn to making P and they're the scum of the earth. Maybe if the people at the top cared more about the welfare of the people at the bottom, they wouldn't need to resort to making drugs (for the middle class addicts).
That's the single dumbest fucken post in this thread.
Those at the top exploit tax law, they do it legally for the most part. They still pay a shit load of tax. It isn't like they're paying no tax, it's just that dumb fucks don't understand the system.
People do not turn to selling drugs from having to at all. That's just a bullshit line criminals use to make themselves feel better.
Fuck them too.
nzspokes
9th June 2016, 18:42
Should it come as a surprise that the most economically disadvantaged would turn to crime to improve their lot?
We have billion dollar companies avoiding tax in NZ and people applaud them for their financial creativity, good on them for beating the system! However some poor uneducated housos turn to making P and they're the scum of the earth. Maybe if the people at the top cared more about the welfare of the people at the bottom, they wouldn't need to resort to making drugs (for the middle class addicts).
Maybe if the people at the bottom got off the couch and learned themselves some skills, they would not have to bludge off the work of others.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 18:43
You should ask him if he has a flat/house from the govt, but rents it out to fund his lifestyle.
That seems like something he would be onto enough to do.
Katman
9th June 2016, 18:46
The useless cunt has been offered every assistance known to man and still chooses to stay there shitting in a public park, while getting drunk and sexually Harrasing women, and verbally abusing the general public.
You should probably go home and spend a bit more time with Stirts.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 18:54
You should probably go home and spend a bit more time with Stirts.
I can't, she has been using roundup and im scared.
WristTwister
9th June 2016, 18:58
That's the single dumbest fucken post in this thread.
Those at the top exploit tax law, they do it legally for the most part. They still pay a shit load of tax. It isn't like they're paying no tax, it's just that dumb fucks don't understand the system.
People do not turn to selling drugs from having to at all. That's just a bullshit line criminals use to make themselves feel better.
Fuck them too.
Thanks Drew, I know it's fucken dumb, doing something unethical only matters if it's against the law. The housos should be looking for loop-holes in the law to exploit, like the rich people do. It's just too bad that their circumstances don't allow them to do "white-collar crime".
Swoop
9th June 2016, 19:01
So you are going with the idea that it's the homeless who are the ones who have destroyed these state houses then, are you?
Once again you cannot grasp the situation.
"Homeless" do not start out that way, do they? There are ample opportunities to have the taxpayer (us) provide housing, income, food in the belly and benefits to not only live, but to develop with.
Taking the piss and destroying a house which could house a family, or several? Fuck off and live in a portacabin or tent. We'll re-purpose that house to a family that will take a step upwards, not downwards.
If someone chooses to go down the ladder, then they will be the homeless. They do not start off that way.
Katman
9th June 2016, 19:02
I can't, she has been using roundup and im scared.
Roundup is a bit extreme.
She should probably consider something a bit milder (https://www.gianteagle.com/ProductImages/PRODUCT_NODE_920/11509060273.jpg).
WristTwister
9th June 2016, 19:04
It's a dangerous assumption to make that these people are sane and normal .. many have mental health problems ... I don't know these specific instances so I can't comment ..
Also "homeless shelters" often charge people ... I remember the day I couldn't afford a night in a homeless shelter ... on a freezing night midwinter in Chch ... I slept in the entrance to the Post Office in Cathedral Square ... Now I pay taxes in the top bracket and own my own home mortgage free ... be careful how you judge people ...
Also a lot of people don't have photo identification like a driver's licence or 18+ card to register for a benefit.
Akzle
9th June 2016, 19:10
Hear, hear!
The present government appears to have abrogated its social responsibility across many areas, all for the worship of mammon.
jews, innit
be careful how you judge people ...
yeah, but you're still a darkie, right?
ergo you're bound to nick sideshowbob's TV sooner or later, probably bang his missus and eat a child or two on the way out to rob the dairy before going home to collect your benny, sink a dozen codys and bash your missus.
...duh.
Thanks Drew, I know it's fucken dumb, doing something unethical only matters if it's against the law. The housos should be looking for loop-holes in the law to exploit, like the rich people do. It's just too bad that their circumstances don't allow them to do "white-collar crime".
If it's legal it's not 'crime', white collar or otherwise you fucken idiot.
Katman
9th June 2016, 19:12
ergo you're bound to nick sideshowbob's TV sooner or later, probably bang his missus and eat a child or two on the way out to rob the dairy before going home to collect your benny, sink a dozen codys and bash your missus.
...duh.
That's the impression I got when I had coffee with him.
Also a lot of people don't have photo identification like a driver's licence or 18+ card to register for a benefit.
Sooo, you're down syndrome or something?
Katman
9th June 2016, 19:17
Sooo, you're down syndrome or something?
Dude, you're hardly one to point the finger at other people's mental space.
Swoop
9th June 2016, 19:17
That's the impression I got when I had coffee with him.
Hopefully he managed to raise your IQ a bit.
Dude, you're hardly one to point the finger at other people's mental space.
No mirrors at your place?
Akzle
9th June 2016, 19:24
If it's legal it's not 'crime', white collar or otherwise you fucken idiot.
incorrect. even legally speaking.
a crime requires an injured party.
an infringment against legislature however...
however, the greater question, if it's amoral, should it be legal?
and just because dem crackers can afford (tax deductible) lawyers to argue (rightly or wrongly, as long as they're arguing, the system profits) until someone gives up, goes bankrupt, or dies...
whereas joe P. darkfulla cannot...
Woodman
9th June 2016, 19:25
Trailer parks.......Problem solved.
incorrect. even legally speaking.
a crime requires an injured party.
an infringment against legislature however...
however, the greater question, if it's amoral, should it be legal?
and just because dem crackers can afford (tax deductible) lawyers to argue (rightly or wrongly, as long as they're arguing, the system profits) until someone gives up, goes bankrupt, or dies...
whereas joe P. darkfulla cannot...
There needs to be an injured party though. Not paying something you don't have to pay injures no one.
Grumph
9th June 2016, 19:32
Also a lot of people don't have photo identification like a driver's licence or 18+ card to register for a benefit.
Or the required adress - or the bank a/c needed to receive the benefit....
In this country it is actually surprisingly difficult to get a benefit at all.
Long stand downs after losing a job - for reasons not of your making - also make it dammed difficult to survive before being eligible for anything.
Saw one of the do gooders this morning saying move families into the houses needing repair and work around them...good idea. Will housing NZ do it ?
Fuck no - scared of their own shadow. A kid might get hurt....
Akzle
9th June 2016, 19:33
There needs to be an injured party though. Not paying something you don't have to pay injures no one.
sorry. i read that wrong.
i'll argue later.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 19:33
economically disadvantaged
Which, stripped of bullshit means someone who doesn't produce anything anyone else wants to buy.
And gets paid to do it.
Grumph
9th June 2016, 19:34
There needs to be an injured party though. Not paying something you don't have to pay injures no one.
It injures YOU. By condoning their tax avoidance, you condone the govt raising your taxes.
Katman
9th June 2016, 19:35
Which, stripped of bullshit means someone who doesn't produce anything anyone else wants to buy.
And gets paid to do it.
Fuck the sheep - when you go to sleep you count dollar signs, don't you?
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 19:35
Long stand downs after losing a job - for reasons not of your making - also make it dammed difficult to survive before being eligible for anything.
Have you ever tried claiming anything as a self employed person?
Anything at all?
Katman
9th June 2016, 19:36
It injures YOU.
Only if he has a conscience.
I'm beginning to doubt it.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 19:39
It injures YOU. By condoning their tax avoidance, you condone the govt raising your taxes.
Before you go beating on the evel corporates, NZ has about the lowest tax avoidance in the western world.
In spite of the fact that the top income earners pay most of the tax bill.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 19:43
Fuck the sheep - when you go to sleep you count dollar signs, don't you?
Your perception of what anyone else does at any time is, like the rest of your opinion so astonishingly inadequate, ill considered and self serving that it's pointless attempting to enlighten you.
Grumph
9th June 2016, 19:45
Have you ever tried claiming anything as a self employed person?
Anything at all?
Other than ACC ?
Post a period of self employment was fun as despite MANY medical certificates (non ACC) there was still a stand down period during which as I assume you refer, there was much argument....but i cheated, i had expert advice and beat them in the end, succeeding in obtaining a benefit for the period needed.
About a 3.9 on the Olympic scale of difficulty....
Let me know if you need help....
mashman
9th June 2016, 19:46
That seems like something he would be onto enough to do.
Maybe he has someone do it on his behalf :killingme
Katman
9th June 2016, 19:49
...it's pointless attempting to enlighten you.
You enlighten me? :killingme
You stupid fuck.
It injures YOU. By condoning their tax avoidance, you condone the govt raising your taxes.I didn't say I condone it. I did say I understand it.
Only if he has a conscience.
I'm beginning to doubt it.
I get the anxiety. To break that down for ya, it's pretty much not being able to get over every mistake I've ever made.
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:00
I get the anxiety. To break that down for ya, it's pretty much not being able to get over every mistake I've ever made.
Fuck's sake Drew - welcome to reality.
We all have shit to deal with.
How the fuck can you be so intolerant of other people's anxieties or sense of failure/mistake?
jonbuoy
9th June 2016, 20:01
Before you go beating on the evel corporates, NZ has about the lowest tax avoidance in the western world.
In spite of the fact that the top income earners pay most of the tax bill.
And is it really fair that someone that earns 500,000 a year has to give half of it away? Surely the higher earners should pay a lower percentage in tax not a higher percentage. If we are all supposed to be contributing equally to the tax pot? Why are they punished for being good at their jobs?
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:02
Why are they punished for being good at their jobs?
Because 99% of them are nothing more than money hungry cunts.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 20:05
Other than ACC ?
Post a period of self employment was fun as despite MANY medical certificates (non ACC) there was still a stand down period during which as I assume you refer, there was much argument....but i cheated, i had expert advice and beat them in the end, succeeding in obtaining a benefit for the period needed.
About a 3.9 on the Olympic scale of difficulty....
Let me know if you need help....
Cheers, old news though.
In the end I couldn't be fucked jumping through that many hoops designed solely to avoid paying me what I was legally entitled to and which my tax had more than covered. I just walked away from tens of thousands worth.
I haven't even taken the liberty of minimising my tax liabilities to sort of balance the books as a result.
But I've got a fucking long memory...
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 20:07
You enlighten me? :killingme
I know, right?
You're just too fucking thick to learn anything.
mashman
9th June 2016, 20:10
I know, right?
You're just too fucking thick to learn anything.
Yeah, but to be fair anything pre-1970 isn't worth learning, let alone the pre-1870 view of life you prescribe to.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 20:11
And is it really fair that someone that earns 500,000 a year has to give half of it away? Surely the higher earners should pay a lower percentage in tax not a higher percentage. If we are all supposed to be contributing equally to the tax pot? Why are they punished for being good at their jobs?
Because everyone gets to vote that they should.
And it isn't fair, but that's OK, they're mostly big enough to deal with it.
They should probably benefit from their own largess along with everyone else though, eh?
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 20:13
Yeah, but to be fair anything pre-1970 isn't worth learning, let alone the pre-1870 view of life you prescribe to.
They did teach me the correct use of "subscribe" and "prescribe" way back then though.
And a shitload of other stuff you'll never be man enough to figure out.
I know, right?
You're just too fucking thick to learn anything.
Can't fucking learn any fucking thing when you fucking know every fucking thing. Favourite topic = cock sucking apparently.
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:20
Can't fucking learn any fucking thing when you fucking know every fucking thing. Favourite topic = cock sucking apparently.
Dude, fuck off and play with your missus.
You're making a fool of yourself here.
wildman
9th June 2016, 20:21
Or the required adress - or the bank a/c needed to receive the benefit....
In this country it is actually surprisingly difficult to get a benefit at all.
Long stand downs after losing a job - for reasons not of your making - also make it dammed difficult to survive before being eligible for anything.
Saw one of the do gooders this morning saying move families into the houses needing repair and work around them...good idea. Will housing NZ do it ?
Fuck no - scared of their own shadow. A kid might get hurt....
HAHA You guys must have it hard in the South Island, my ex mother in law made a career of not working and getting hand outs and then had the nerve to tell me she owned her own house. I politely pointed out to her that all the tax payers in New Zealand owned it.
Fuck's sake Drew - welcome to reality.
We all have shit to deal with.
How the fuck can you be so intolerant of other people's anxieties or sense of failure/mistake?
I was alluding that I do in fact have a conscience. How am I being intolerant?
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:36
How am I being intolerant?
I'm just going to leave that there until you figure out just how the fuck you're being intolerant.
I'm just going to leave that there until you figure out just how the fuck you're being intolerant.
But, I tolerate them. I do nothing at all about their situation. That's the very height of tolerance.
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:43
But, I tolerate them.
To their face?
'Cos it doesn't sound like you tolerate them here behind their backs.
I'm getting more a sense of unacceptance.
mashman
9th June 2016, 20:47
They did teach me the correct use of "subscribe" and "prescribe" way back then though.
And a shitload of other stuff you'll never be man enough to figure out.
Always using the definition of the word you want eh... despite the fact that I meant what I meant. Someday you might learn.
Only something a man can figure out eh? How enlightened Victorian Dad.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X4P4V57EL6w/VG0J7Vjq-DI/AAAAAAAAMvE/2tq1yWCRRoY/s1600/VictorianDad.JPG
To their face?
'Cos it doesn't sound like you tolerate them here behind their backs.
I'm getting more a sense of unacceptance.
I don't embrace the homeless, because I don't see a need for them to be such. But I accept them, what would be the alternative?
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 20:52
Always using the definition of the word you want eh... despite the fact that I meant what I meant.
Oh right, like you actually know what you mean. :laugh:
Woodman
9th June 2016, 20:53
Because 99% of them are nothing more than money hungry cunts.
Yeah, now thats an unbiased fact...............One of your many.
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:54
I don't embrace the homeless, because I don't see a need for them to be such. But I accept them, what would be the alternative?
Dude, stop deluding yourself.
Your last half dozen or so posts have shown your degree of intolerance.
You do yourself a disservice trying to deny it.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 20:57
Yeah, now thats an unbiased fact...............One of your many.
Well, dude, I'm afraid that according to katflap unless you're failing to succeed in life more or less completely then you're a money hungry cunt.
Which covers most of the country now that I think about it.
Katman
9th June 2016, 20:58
Which covers most of the country now that I think about it.
Sadly, I think you may be right.
Dude, stop deluding yourself.
Your last half dozen or so posts have shown your degree of intolerance.
You do yourself a dis-service trying to deny it.
I have tried to impress that I won't feel pity for them. They don't have to remain homeless. So if they choose to be such, what is it you think I should be doing about them exactly?
mashman
9th June 2016, 20:59
Oh right, like you actually know what you mean. :laugh:
I take my repeated flukes as being just that.
Katman
9th June 2016, 21:00
I have tried to impress that I won't feel pity for them.
The world doesn't extend much past your nose, does it Drew?
The world doesn't extend much past your nose, does it Drew?
Nobody's does. There are some who suffer delusion though...I'm told.
Katman
9th June 2016, 21:10
Nobody's does.
Really?
There might lie your problem.
Woodman
9th June 2016, 21:20
The world doesn't extend much past your nose, does it Drew?
Whose does?
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 21:20
Sadly, I think you may be right.
It's somehow consistent that you're sad that most of the country is successful.
Describes your twisted, misanthropic outlook quite accurately.
Katman
9th June 2016, 21:20
Whose does?
No wonder you're such a dumb cunt.
Woodman
9th June 2016, 21:23
No wonder you're such a dumb cunt.
Coming from the most self obsessed kb member.
nodrog
9th June 2016, 21:36
I understand how they feel Because I was homeless once, hang on, no I wasn't, I've never been that fuckin stupid.
Akzle
9th June 2016, 21:36
The world doesn't extend much past your nose, does it Drew?
bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaa.
here's one i prepared earlier
http://www.headless.org/experiments/seeing-your-nose.htm
jonbuoy
9th June 2016, 21:38
Because 99% of them are nothing more than money hungry cunts.
Or they just made the most of the opportunities we were all given? Maybe if I had spent less time goofing around at school and college and wasting my free western education I might be earning 500k a year.
mashman
9th June 2016, 21:41
It's somehow consistent that you're sad that most of the country is successful.
Most? You said that 55% of the population where a net drain on the country.
sidecar bob
9th June 2016, 21:46
I aren't seeing katman up for inviting the homeless into his home yet so he can become the expert sympathiser on the homeless that he is.
Really, do you think the homeless give a fuck about the capatalist property speculator, by camping their sorry arses in his doorway, shitting behind his building & generally degrading the area he has put his arse on the line to upgrade & improve.
Why then should the capalist pig property speculator give a fuck about the homeless in return? Seems fair.
When they ask if they can pick up a broom or a paintbrush to improve their neighbourhood, maybe they will receive in return.
Ocean1
9th June 2016, 22:02
Most? You said that 55% of the population where a net drain on the country.
When it comes to housing your family then obviously voting yourself other people's money is a successful strategy.
And no doubt if that option wasn't available the vast majority of the country would succeed on their own merits just as well.
Katman
9th June 2016, 22:07
Maybe if I had spent less time goofing around at school and college and wasting my free western education I might be earning 500k a year.
Do you think it would make you more desirable?
TheDemonLord
9th June 2016, 22:15
Do you think it would make you more desirable?
Depends - is he into a Gold Diggers?
jonbuoy
9th June 2016, 23:49
Do you think it would make you more desirable?
You mean money? No idea - money can't buy you love or happiness but it can buy coke, hookers boats, cars, bikes, tools and amazing holidays - that should mend my broken and fragile lonely heart :shifty:
Madness
9th June 2016, 23:59
...still chooses to stay there shitting in a public park, while getting drunk and sexually Harrasing women, and verbally abusing the general public.
Dumpty? .
nzspokes
10th June 2016, 06:39
I understand how they feel Because I was homeless once, hang on, no I wasn't, I've never been that fuckin stupid.
This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.
Katman
10th June 2016, 07:58
This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.
I'm sure a very significant percentage of the homeless have mental health issues.
Akzle
10th June 2016, 08:18
I'm sure a very significant percentage of the homeless have mental health issues.
I'm sure a very significant percentage of old white cunts have mental health issues
sidecar bob
10th June 2016, 08:19
I'm sure a very significant percentage of the homeless have mental health issues.
Im fairly confident the same applies to people who argue on the internet all day too.
Katman
10th June 2016, 08:28
Im fairly confident the same applies to people who argue on the internet all day too.
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Maha
10th June 2016, 08:31
I aren't seeing katman up for inviting the homeless into his home yet so he can become the expert sympathiser on the homeless that he is.
WOT Motel
Where we love the homeless.
He could house them in his workshop, they could repay him by cleaning the area up.
I'm sure a very significant percentage of the homeless have mental health issues.
.....around 30%? or in numbers 23?
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 08:47
I don't want to make assumptions, but do the children all have the same father?
Yes. Mother born in Auckland - meet husband from Murupara - married and they moved to Mururapa .. where he got a job in the bush ... he was killed in a forestry accident - she moved back to Auckland to have the support of her family for her three young children.
The house she's renting was sold - she couldn't afford a rent increase ...
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 08:57
Those that know me know the truth, those that make sweeping derogatory generalisations about someone based on a few posts on the internet that they haven't managed comprehend properly don't really matter.:msn-wink:
Fair enough ...
That'd be funny if it wasn't so contrived and hackneyed.
:laugh:
Maybe it sounds hackneyed abnd contrived because it's true ...
Like this dude?
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648771
Naaa .. he's just been locked up and mistreated .. if he was put into "community care" he has a loviong family who will look aftrer him .. if he didn't have that family he may well become homeless ..
The point, as you are well aware, is that those who abuse the generosity of the taxpayer...
This (hypothetical) lady would not be affected.
The persons who destroy a state/rental house are the issue.
Perhaps the socialist approach is preferable? Put several families into the same residence.
2 x rooms = 2 families. 10 kids? Big deal. Enjoy your room.
How is she not affected/ She's homeless with three children ...
Whoever said that was the socialist approach? It may well be the Soviet dictatorship approach ...
Was that the moment you turned your life around? If someone had given you a house would you be the same person you are today?
That's the single dumbest fucken post in this thread.
Those at the top exploit tax law, they do it legally for the most part. They still pay a shit load of tax. It isn't like they're paying no tax, it's just that dumb fucks don't understand the system.
People do not turn to selling drugs from having to at all. That's just a bullshit line criminals use to make themselves feel better.
Fuck them too.
So - how much tax do our companies pay ? Can you cite it as a percentage of the percentage of the overall l tax take? How much do middle to high income earners pay as a percentage of the tax take ?
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 09:00
Was that the moment you turned your life around? If someone had given you a house would you be the same person you are today?
No .. it took a bit longer ...
And no - being given a house would have made fuck all difference at that moment - except I would have had somewhere warm and dry to sleep ...
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 09:10
That'd be funny if it wasn't so contrived and hackneyed.
:laugh:
OK .. let me see
So, our neo-liberal Government said Government should not be in the business of housing - that is best handled by private enterprise ..
So private enterprise starts building houses - not for social good reasons, but to make money ...
Private enterprise has little incentive to "solve" Auckland's housing crisis - the law of supply and demand (I'm sure that you would not find that contrived and hackneyed) says that the higher the demand the higher the price .. (high demand under supply). To make more money private enterprise needs to keep demand high so they can ask higher prices. I.e. Private enterprise needs to keep people homeless to increase their profit margin ...
Private enterprise has no interest in low-cost housing for the lower strata of society - because that's not where the money is ...
The Government needs to be seen to be "doing something" about the housing crisis, so they are trying to force Auckland's council to free up land in the city for housing. That looks good publicly - but in reality they are freeing up land so their developer mates and supports have more land to build on. In the city is where people want to live, not an hour north up the north shore coast
So private enterprise gets inner city land to build on and make money ...
because of the housing shortage rental prices go up (under supply high demand). Those on benefits get an accommodation supplement and it is increased when rents go up .. so the landlords know that if they put the rent up, their tenants get a higher level of support
This Government is funnelling taxpayers money, (your money) meant to help vulnerable and poor people, directly into the pockets of their mates and supporters ...
Private enterprise is making profits at the expense of the taxpayers .. you and me .. just trying to earn our way but in reality sending money to the elite ..
Contrived and hackneyed you say ... I'm pleased that you are happy to ensure our wealthy elite get richer at your expense ..
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 09:27
Maybe if the people at the bottom got off the couch and learned themselves some skills, they would not have to bludge off the work of others.
So, we have more jobs in Godzone than we have workers? Bullshit - we have more workers than we have jobs for ... and we're importing workers ... creates unemployment ..
Once again you cannot grasp the situation.
"Homeless" do not start out that way, do they? There are ample opportunities to have the taxpayer (us) provide housing, income, food in the belly and benefits to not only live, but to develop with.
Yeah ??? Wwe have something like 10,000 homeless in Auckland - how many state houses are there for them to go into?
Taking the piss and destroying a house which could house a family, or several? Fuck off and live in a portacabin or tent. We'll re-purpose that house to a family that will take a step upwards, not downwards.
If someone chooses to go down the ladder, then they will be the homeless. They do not start off that way.
I agree that crims are destroying houses .. they are crims, why do you expect them to behave any differently because some do-gooder has given them a house? I agree this is a problem ... the answers are more complex than you think ...
Not all homeless choose to go down the ladder ...
Hopefully he managed to raise your IQ a bit.
That's beneath you ... I'm just as intelligent as the kat .. we have different views of the world and we can accept that without insult each other ... and over the years he's made me thing hard about how I ride ... he's probably had more influence on me than I have had on him ...
Which, stripped of bullshit means someone who doesn't produce anything anyone else wants to buy.
And gets paid to do it.
Fuck me - is that your definition of a citizen or a member of our community? How much money they can earn ??? Just when I think you might be better than that you [prove me wrong ..
Have you ever tried claiming anything as a self employed person?
Anything at all?
Hang on - isn't your point that self-employed people are working for themselves without state support? Why would they want to claim anything ???
But in reality, corporate welfare from taxpayer money is $1.3 billion per year ...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69211950/corporate-welfare-costs-every-new-zealand-household-752--report
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 09:35
I aren't seeing katman up for inviting the homeless into his home yet so he can become the expert sympathiser on the homeless that he is.
Really, do you think the homeless give a fuck about the capatalist property speculator, by camping their sorry arses in his doorway, shitting behind his building & generally degrading the area he has put his arse on the line to upgrade & improve.
Why then should the capalist pig property speculator give a fuck about the homeless in return? Seems fair.
When they ask if they can pick up a broom or a paintbrush to improve their neighbourhood, maybe they will receive in return.
Why should the homeless give a fuck about a society which does not give a fuck about them - as you have just articulated?
Why should the homeless give a fuck about a society that only sees them as something exploit?
I understand how they feel Because I was homeless once, hang on, no I wasn't, I've never been that fuckin stupid.
This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.
I hope that neither of you end up in that situation - because then you will discover that it is not always a choice you make ...
Im fairly confident the same applies to people who argue on the internet all day too.
Coming from someone who starts his day posting on the net (8.19am ) ..
nzspokes
10th June 2016, 09:36
So, we have more jobs in Godzone than we have workers? Bullshit - we have more workers than we have jobs for ... and we're importing workers ... creates unemployment ..
The more people working creates more jobs. We import workers due to lack of skilled workers. Seminoff Logging is importing workers due to a lack of local drivers. And his drivers are getting sacked for failing drug tests.
TheDemonLord
10th June 2016, 09:36
This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.
Whilst not known for my excess sympathy, and my opinions on personal responsibility - even by my standards that is harsh to say all Homeless are lazy and all explicitly choose that path.
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 09:41
If it's legal it's not 'crime', white collar or otherwise you fucken idiot.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLIENWhWsAE9lL0.jpg
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 10:09
Before you go beating on the evel corporates, NZ has about the lowest tax avoidance in the western world.
In spite of the fact that the top income earners pay most of the tax bill.
yeah ???
Go here .. look at the percentages paid of income tax ... The top earners pay 16% !!! People earning between $10,000 and $40,000 pay 24%
So those earning shit loads of money pay 16% of our total tax take - those earning less than the average wage pay 24% of the total earnings tax take.
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2007/taxpayers/01.htm
Now, I know that the numbers of people earning below the average wage is greater than those earnings over $100,000 ... so that distorts the raw data ...
But come on ... the low paid are paying a higher percentage of taxes than the top earners ...
This is somewhat balanced by the tax level - those earning less than 40grand were taxed (remember this is 2007 figures) at 15c in the dollar up to 21 cents in the dollar The top earners (like me) are charged up to 39c in the dollar ...
And still 24% of the total PAYE tax take is paid by the lowest earners while 16% is paid y the top earners
Now - where do you fit into this Ocean ??? Are you a top earner, one of the group paying fuck all of our total PAYE taxes, or are you a low earner - supporting the rich .. remember $1.3billion of our tax dollars goes to corporate welfare? Are you happy to support those who are apparently working hard so they don't need support?
nodrog
10th June 2016, 10:10
I hope that neither of you end up in that situation - because then you will discover that it is not always a choice you make ...
Fuckin bullshit, what sort of a complete fuckwit do you have to be that you cant find anywhere indoors to stay.
I would suggest that if you do not have any family, friends, etc that you could stay with, and refuse assistance from various agencies, that maybe you are your own fuckin problem, not "the systems".
And I'll be sweet, Bob will let me stay in the east wing of his mansion and let me drive his Porsche.
Akzle
10th June 2016, 10:11
The more people working creates more jobs. We import workers due to lack of skilled workers. Seminoff Logging is importing workers due to a lack of local drivers. And his drivers are getting sacked for failing drug tests.
i dont think you understand the question
TheDemonLord
10th June 2016, 10:14
Now, I know that the numbers of people earning below the average wage is greater than those earnings over $100,000 ... so that distorts the raw data ...
But come on ... the low paid are paying a higher percentage of taxes than the top earners ...
But the low paid take more out of the system...
Katman
10th June 2016, 10:33
And I'll be sweet, Bob will let me stay in the east wing of his mansion and let me drive his Porsche.
You could shit in his swimming pool.
That's what a real homeless person would do.
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 10:42
But the low paid take more out of the system...
Which just shows the stupidity of the cyclic system ...
Take money off them (taxes) give it back (welfare and other benefits) ... the only people who benefit are the bureaucrats running the fucked system - and who, therefore, have no interest in changing the system ...
Take less tax from the lower paid and you don't need to give them financial support ...
Katman
10th June 2016, 10:43
Take less tax from the lower paid and you don't need to give them financial support ...
You're going to be my Finance Minister.
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 10:48
Fuckin bullshit, what sort of a complete fuckwit do you have to be that you cant find anywhere indoors to stay.
I would suggest that if you do not have any family, friends, etc that you could stay with, and refuse assistance from various agencies, that maybe you are your own fuckin problem, not "the systems".
And I'll be sweet, Bob will let me stay in the east wing of his mansion and let me drive his Porsche.
Bwhahahaha .. so you become a drain on your friends and family ???
But let's see ... certain sectors of our property market are signalling a crash in property values ...
At current rates there will be a lot of people owning houses with very high mortgages, and if they are new owners (not necessarily first time buyers, but say a couple of middle income earners who recently moved to Auckland for their work) could have a low level of equity in their homes.
A financial crash could put them into a negative equity situation .. the bank forecloses and they lose their home, and, because they still owe the bank money they cannot move out of Auckland and buy a new house ..
They could rent - but they are still paying off the loan to the bank because the house did not sell for what they owe the bank ... They are strugglign to pay rent - they declare bankruptcy ...
This is downward spiral that many hard working people could face in the future .. and some face now ... How much equity do you have in your homes?
Is this a choice that hard working people made? Is this a choice that may face some of you in the future?
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 10:48
You're going to be my Finance Minister.
Politicians make me want to throw up - I would not be able to sit in the house with that pack of shit heads ...
Voltaire
10th June 2016, 11:00
At current rates there will be a lot of people owning houses with very high mortgages, and if they are new owners (not necessarily first time buyers, but say a couple of middle income earners who recently moved to Auckland for their work) could have a low level of equity in their homes.
So a typical run down old house in my area for say 1million at 5% interest 50 K a year, you'd want an extra 35 gross K ( min) a year on the salary plus you get to spend quality time in your car for an hour or two each day.
Ocean1
10th June 2016, 11:03
Maybe it sounds hackneyed abnd contrived because it's true ...
Nope, it sounds contrived and hackneyed because that's what it is.
Naaa .. he's just been locked up and mistreated .. if he was put into "community care" he has a loviong family who will look aftrer him .. if he didn't have that family he may well become homeless ..
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. In this case I do, so obviously I can't enlighten you, but I promise you if his loving family got their wish then someone would be dead within days.
Katman
10th June 2016, 11:04
Politicians make me want to throw up - I would not be able to sit in the house with that pack of shit heads ...
Dude, we're going to hold our meetings at the pub.
Katman
10th June 2016, 11:07
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. In this case I do, so obviously I can't enlighten you, but I promise you if his loving family got their wish then someone would be dead within days.
Wow - what a way to respect someone's confidentiality.
Ocean1
10th June 2016, 11:08
OK .. let me see
So, our neo-liberal Government said Government should not be in the business of housing - that is best handled by private enterprise ..
So private enterprise starts building houses - not for social good reasons, but to make money ...
Private enterprise has little incentive to "solve" Auckland's housing crisis - the law of supply and demand (I'm sure that you would not find that contrived and hackneyed) says that the higher the demand the higher the price .. (high demand under supply). To make more money private enterprise needs to keep demand high so they can ask higher prices. I.e. Private enterprise needs to keep people homeless to increase their profit margin ...
Private enterprise has no interest in low-cost housing for the lower strata of society - because that's not where the money is ...
The Government needs to be seen to be "doing something" about the housing crisis, so they are trying to force Auckland's council to free up land in the city for housing. That looks good publicly - but in reality they are freeing up land so their developer mates and supports have more land to build on. In the city is where people want to live, not an hour north up the north shore coast
So private enterprise gets inner city land to build on and make money ...
because of the housing shortage rental prices go up (under supply high demand). Those on benefits get an accommodation supplement and it is increased when rents go up .. so the landlords know that if they put the rent up, their tenants get a higher level of support
This Government is funnelling taxpayers money, (your money) meant to help vulnerable and poor people, directly into the pockets of their mates and supporters ...
Private enterprise is making profits at the expense of the taxpayers .. you and me .. just trying to earn our way but in reality sending money to the elite ..
Contrived and hackneyed you say ... I'm pleased that you are happy to ensure our wealthy elite get richer at your expense ..
Now see if you can take out all of the assumed motives and I might actually have that discussion with you.
In the meantime it's still contrived, (to suit your agenda) and hackneyed, (as in a 60"s trade union broadsheet editorial).
Maha
10th June 2016, 11:09
Over 700 house lay empty because minor repair/s are needed, in some cases a new stove is all it would take.
New Stove $4-500?
A week in a Motel family room $1100.
TheDemonLord
10th June 2016, 11:09
Which just shows the stupidity of the cyclic system ...
Take money off them (taxes) give it back (welfare and other benefits) ... the only people who benefit are the bureaucrats running the fucked system - and who, therefore, have no interest in changing the system ...
Take less tax from the lower paid and you don't need to give them financial support ...
Who said anything about Financial Support?
I'm talking about Govt provided services such as Healthcare, WINZ etc.
Services which are predominantly provided to the low income earners and generally not used by the high income earners.
Also as a side note services which are more cost effective for the individual to be provided en masse,
Ocean1
10th June 2016, 11:14
Fuck me - is that your definition of a citizen or a member of our community? How much money they can earn ??? Just when I think you might be better than that you [prove me wrong ..
It's the correct definition of a any person taking from anyone else more than they give anyone else. That's the function of money, dude, it measures value of any transaction.
If you want to talk about things of no monetary value then go right ahead, but it won't involve anything someone has earned and not received and it won't involve anything someone has received and hasn't earned.
Ocean1
10th June 2016, 11:18
yeah ???
Go here .. look at the percentages paid of income tax ... The top earners pay 16% !!! People earning between $10,000 and $40,000 pay 24%
So those earning shit loads of money pay 16% of our total tax take - those earning less than the average wage pay 24% of the total earnings tax take.
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2007/taxpayers/01.htm
Now, I know that the numbers of people earning below the average wage is greater than those earnings over $100,000 ... so that distorts the raw data ...
But come on ... the low paid are paying a higher percentage of taxes than the top earners ...
This is somewhat balanced by the tax level - those earning less than 40grand were taxed (remember this is 2007 figures) at 15c in the dollar up to 21 cents in the dollar The top earners (like me) are charged up to 39c in the dollar ...
And still 24% of the total PAYE tax take is paid by the lowest earners while 16% is paid y the top earners
Now - where do you fit into this Ocean ??? Are you a top earner, one of the group paying fuck all of our total PAYE taxes, or are you a low earner - supporting the rich .. remember $1.3billion of our tax dollars goes to corporate welfare? Are you happy to support those who are apparently working hard so they don't need support?
What fucking distortion? 3% pay 27% of the tax take. How can you distort that to believe they're paying less than low income earners?
And no, I'm not one of those 123 evel, greedy people paying 27% of tax, I'm just not that talented or motivated.
But I'm not one of the majority that contribute less tax than they receive in benefits either.
nodrog
10th June 2016, 11:20
You could shit in his swimming pool.
That's what a real homeless person would do.
of course, I would just have to decided which pool.
Bwhahahaha .. so you become a drain on your friends and family ???
But let's see ... certain sectors of our property market are signalling a crash in property values ...
At current rates there will be a lot of people owning houses with very high mortgages, and if they are new owners (not necessarily first time buyers, but say a couple of middle income earners who recently moved to Auckland for their work) could have a low level of equity in their homes.
A financial crash could put them into a negative equity situation .. the bank forecloses and they lose their home, and, because they still owe the bank money they cannot move out of Auckland and buy a new house ..
They could rent - but they are still paying off the loan to the bank because the house did not sell for what they owe the bank ... They are strugglign to pay rent - they declare bankruptcy ...
This is downward spiral that many hard working people could face in the future .. and some face now ... How much equity do you have in your homes?
Is this a choice that hard working people made? Is this a choice that may face some of you in the future?
Why would a person become a drain on their friends and family if they had to stay with them? Oh, you mean if they were a useless lazy fuckwit that their friends and family didn't really like, because they were a useless lazy fuckwit?
And the housing crash scenario you mention - yes it was a choice they made. If people were fuckin stupid enough to tick up big mortgages, that require most of their income to service at 5%, without thinking about how they would service the debt if interest rates went up, and the value of their house went down, then they deserve to suffer in their own stupidity.
Maha
10th June 2016, 11:25
of course, I would just have to decided which pool.
The indoor one, the one with the three tiered diving platform and connecting Man Bath.
Grumph
10th June 2016, 11:53
Over 700 house lay empty because minor repair/s are needed, in some cases a new stove is all it would take.
New Stove $4-500?
A week in a Motel family room $1100.
Finding an electrician prepared to do it - and wait for payment ?
Priceless
bucket boy
10th June 2016, 12:49
And I'll be sweet, Bob will let me stay in the east wing of his mansion and let me drive his Porsche.[/QUOTE]
And stirts can stay at my house my beds big enough.
nodrog
10th June 2016, 12:50
And stirts can stay at my house my beds big enough.
can you get your maid to show you how to quote properly?
Drew
10th June 2016, 12:53
can you get your maid to show you how to quote properly?
Leave him alone. I'm sure he's getting withdrawals, and his tyre supplier is prolly calling up to see if he's still alive.
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 12:54
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. In this case I do, so obviously I can't enlighten you, but I promise you if his loving family got their wish then someone would be dead within days.
See .. that's why it dangerous to comment on individual caes .. and why I don't usually do it ...
Why would a person become a drain on their friends and family if they had to stay with them? Oh, you mean if they were a useless lazy fuckwit that their friends and family didn't really like, because they were a useless lazy fuckwit?
Exactly the judgement that peopel here are making of homeless people ...
And the housing crash scenario you mention - yes it was a choice they made. If people were fuckin stupid enough to tick up big mortgages, that require most of their income to service at 5%, without thinking about how they would service the debt if interest rates went up, and the value of their house went down, then they deserve to suffer in their own stupidity.
That's exactly the scenario that could happen - and I wonder how many members of this forum could be in that position ...
(As I said, I own my own home mortgage-free ...)
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 13:03
Now see if you can take out all of the assumed motives and I might actually have that discussion with you.
In the meantime it's still contrived, (to suit your agenda) and hackneyed, (as in a 60"s trade union broadsheet editorial).
Assumed motives? The so-called logic of the free market puts the motive for everything in MONEY ... put simply No Profit No Doee ...
That's exactly what the "free market" ideology is ... if you can't even argue a consistent capitalist/free market position then there is no point in talking about it ...
nodrog
10th June 2016, 13:07
Exactly the judgement that peopel here are making of homeless people ...
exactly - be a lazy fuckwit = homeless, be a nice hardworking citizen = have a roof.
- and I wonder how many members of this forum could be in that position ...
probably heaps, its full of useless fuckwits.
... (As I said, I own my own home mortgage-free ...)
sweet, who gave you that?
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 13:12
sweet, who gave you that?
Geez .. just when I think you're getting there ...
I paid for it all ... got a job in the early 1980s that allowed me to save .. got together a deposit - organised BIG mortgage (big in terms of 22.5% interest rate) ... paid it all off out of my earnings .. along with a boat, two bikes ... I don't owe anyone diddley squat ... all earned and paid for ...
But I haven't forgotten where I came from and the people I met along the way and their struggles and issues ... that's one of the reasons why I work in Education - to help them get ahead, and to show them they don't have to buy into the system to do well - they can do well being who they are ...
My men students envy my bikes ... gives them a model of what they can achieve ..
nodrog
10th June 2016, 13:20
...(As I said, I own my own home mortgage-free ...)
sweet, who gave you that?
..I paid for it all ... ..
Thankyou.
__________
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 13:43
Thankyou.
__________
Your point ???
Drew
10th June 2016, 13:58
Your point ???
I'm no sarcasm expert, but I'm pretty sure the point is an illustration of how a simple question can be answered without an editorial accompaniment.
Edit.
Though, there could also be the hidden meaning that you didn't need it handed to you.
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 14:18
I'm no sarcasm expert, but I'm pretty sure the point is an illustration of how a simple question can be answered without an editorial accompaniment.
Edit.
Though, there could also be the hidden meaning that you didn't need it handed to you.
All of that ..
Plus an assumption that it would have been handed to me ..
And maybe one that if I can do it - then so can anyone ..
yes - I see all that ... which one is Nodrog's ? I'm sure he can answer for himself ..
Drew
10th June 2016, 14:22
All of that ..
Plus an assumption that it would have been handed to me ..
And maybe one that if I can do it - then so can anyone ..
yes - I see all that ... which one is Nodrog's ? I'm sure he can answer for himself ..
He might. But being the very complex fellow he is, I felt we might discuss the options amongst ourselves.
swarfie
10th June 2016, 14:34
Complex:killingme:killingme:killingme
nodrog
10th June 2016, 14:47
All of that ..
Plus an assumption that it would have been handed to me ..
And maybe one that if I can do it - then so can anyone ..
yes - I see all that ... which one is Nodrog's ? I'm sure he can answer for himself ..
you're a fuckin Retrad.
(and yes I know Retard is spelt wrong, that's on purpose, I don't think you could make a fully functioning one.)
Drew
10th June 2016, 14:53
Complex:killingme:killingme:killingme
Why, earlier today he was making some profound workshoe visual statement art. I'm telling ya man, complex.
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 16:19
you're a fuckin Retrad.
(and yes I know Retard is spelt wrong, that's on purpose, I don't think you could make a fully functioning one.)
(Naa .. I'll retract that part ... )
I was just wondering what your point was and what you were trying to say to me ...
Banditbandit
10th June 2016, 16:55
here ya go .. form one of your owen capitalists ... who I happen to agree with sometimes ...
Weekend reading ...
http://morganfoundation.org.nz/housing-debt-bubble-no-surprise/
I'm not back on line till Monday .. please at least try to be nice to each other ...
Swoop
10th June 2016, 17:08
That's beneath you ... I'm just as intelligent as the kat ..
No, you are much more intelligent than Steve.
Do you consider another's opinion and weigh issues and concepts?
Or, do you simply regard another's opinion as "against yours" and start throwing your toys around?
Two quite different approaches and intellects.
Ocean1
10th June 2016, 17:40
Assumed motives? The so-called logic of the free market puts the motive for everything in MONEY ... put simply No Profit No Doee ...
That's exactly what the "free market" ideology is ... if you can't even argue a consistent capitalist/free market position then there is no point in talking about it ...
Dude, seriously, that pile of steaming rhetoric was your definition of a free market?
Allow me: it's got nothing to do with money, it's the really simple idea that two people can negotiate a trade without interference from non contributing parties.
That's it.
The wee Communist rant was all just bullshit, not a fact in sight.
Ocean1
10th June 2016, 17:49
here ya go .. form one of your owen capitalists ... who I happen to agree with sometimes ...
Weekend reading ...
http://morganfoundation.org.nz/housing-debt-bubble-no-surprise/
I'm not back on line till Monday .. please at least try to be nice to each other ...
So that first graph. House price to income ratio.
Is pretty much the list of most desirable places in which to live, innit?
Other than which, what was your point?
BuzzardNZ
10th June 2016, 20:24
This is a key point. Mentally ill people aside, this is all caused by laziness. They chose this path.
What about fat people? Are they not in the same boat? You're as fat as they come right? So you're saying that you're not lazy?
nzspokes
10th June 2016, 20:58
What about fat people? Are they not in the same boat? You're as fat as they come right? So you're saying that you're not lazy?
Yup Im fat, but not by much. Many biker places I go I could be considered svelte. :lol:
Lazy? Depends what scale that is measured on I guess. I dont sit in front of the TV at all, I dont play computer games at all and I earn well enough not to be homeless. :cool:
Akzle
10th June 2016, 21:13
Yup Im fat, but not by much. Many biker places I go I could be considered svelte. :lol:
Lazy? Depends what scale that is measured on I guess. I dont sit in front of the TV at all, I dont play computer games at all and I earn well enough not to be homeless. :cool:
but you obviously don't respect yourself enough not to be a heinous fatty.
so why should anyone else?
BuzzardNZ
10th June 2016, 21:28
but you obviously don't respect yourself enough not to be a heinous fatty.
so why should anyone else?
+1, he who casts the first stone, right?
This Auckland fat blob down casts people that are homeless just cos he thinks they're lazy!!!
There is much more to this than just pure laziness, what about the poor orphaned CYFS kids that gets arse injected daily by their caregivers, where is he/she supposed to go, or any other sad story out there ?( it's not all laziness related ). Are they expected to grow up to be upstanding citizens after all that.
It's these poor fuckers missing out due to the P producing arseholes.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if all of the above ended up in SideCarBobs 8 BMW's.
TheDemonLord
10th June 2016, 21:51
What about fat people? Are they not in the same boat? You're as fat as they come right? So you're saying that you're not lazy?
As a Fat person - They are, and I am.
Madness
29th May 2018, 17:04
smoking P in an house does not make it uninhabitable. (or even much af a health risk. personally i'm more concerned about the ten kinds of toxic chemicals you keep under your sink)
cooking P does.
there are not, have not, nor will be 463 P cooks.
someone is making a tidy packet off a) testing and b) "remediating" houses people have smoked P in.
the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant, because jews.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104287037/rental-meth-panic-over
:facepalm:
Think I said some place that it's fucking unlikely to be a problem.
National, the Government that supported business that wasn't even needed and at the same time pulled down State houses that were sorely needed by some people :doh:
Madness
29th May 2018, 19:05
Housing NZ expects to save $30,000,000 a year on testing and spent $51,000,000 on “decontamination” in the 2016/17 financial year. That’s $81,000,000 and that’s only the state housing sector. I’m sure glad I don’t own a herd of dairy cows right about now.
National, the Government that supported business that wasn't even needed...
I wouldn’t be surprised if Key, Collins or Dunne’s son had an interest in a testing or “decontamination” contractor.
I wanna know if all the private home owners get to claim against the arbitrary standards that cost them thousands.
Madness
29th May 2018, 19:22
I wanna know if all the private home owners get to claim against the arbitrary standards that cost them thousands.
Maybe a free 24-pack of lightbulbs?
R650R
31st May 2018, 09:46
I wanna know if all the private home owners get to claim against the arbitrary standards that cost them thousands.
A class action lawsuit would be good. I took 90% of the clean up costs of a property I bought off the purchase price. Been tenanted so it needed new interior paint,wallpaper and carpet anyway so no big deal $ wise just the two weeks it took. Really its the seller who is out of pocket... I probably could have done the dulux overcoat with sealer and sugarsoap but better to have it done right to start with and certified clean for resale value.
And I would have bought it uncontaminated at its advertised price anyway if clean as it ticked all my boxes and supply was scarce...
It will be interesting to see what line insurance companies take, this has cost them dearly, most house policies you can claim up to 30k for meth damage so it has been costing them....
I think baseline testing should be compulsory on all sales and new rental agreements, via real estate or building report. Then a new STATE agency would come in and do full quantitive testing free of charge. The cost of this would be passed on to the previous occupiers along with an instant fine for association with meth use and all the relevant data passed on to police who would soon have a data map of drug users to lead them to dealers and then cooks.
Drug users that are state housing tenants (prob all as under new data share private landlords would know and not rent to you) would all gradually be moved into one suburb that would be gated with no children or elderly allowed to live there. Since drug use is harmless im sure the police, fire and ambulance would be happy to not visit this suburb at all for any reason or any other help agency....
Then just let Darwin take its course.....
george formby
31st May 2018, 17:07
I doubt any Kbers know how irked I was when this news came out. Multiple of my favourite nighties have been shredded by this bullshit meth debacle.
We sold a house a few years ago on condition by the mortgagee's bank that it was meth tested. The test was positive but very close to the threshold at the time. Much elbow grease and $3000 of testing later the deal was done.
Within 9 months the "safe" threshold was raised, we would have been all goods. That's three silk nighties I'd torn and one I'd accidentally bleached.
One of my original nighties was turned into confetti reading overseas stats on the danger of meth contamination, nobody gives a shit elsewhere, tobacco residues are potentially more harmful. Grrrrr..
Now this! Class action lawsuit? I'm in.
Do we target the banks or the gubbermint? Can we legally hunt down national MP's who set these levels and the industry precedent? Can we hunt bank executives, please, pretty please?
What a fucking joke, the scientific evidence is decades old. Why do we consistently have fuck knuckles jerking their knees at every point scoring opportunity? Devious, uninformed arse warts, professional felchers.
I'm irked again. Nay, miffed.
Swoop
31st May 2018, 19:47
I wanna know if all the private home owners get to claim against the arbitrary standards that cost them thousands.
Nope.
The leftist overlords are refusing to play ball here.
It obviously will get included in their "housing the needy" criteria of providing houses though. They ain't going to meet their targets through proper ways.
R650R
1st June 2018, 11:12
Now this! Class action lawsuit? I'm in.
Do we target the banks or the gubbermint? Can we legally hunt down national MP's who set these levels and the industry precedent? Can we hunt bank executives, please, pretty please?
What a fucking joke, the scientific evidence is decades old. Why do we consistently have fuck knuckles jerking their knees at every point scoring opportunity? Devious, uninformed arse warts, professional felchers.
I'm irked again. Nay, miffed.
What we need is a niky hagar or ian wisjart to uncover some crucial text or email talking about the revenue potential before the laws enacted....
Really tho the fat silent elephant in the room we are not hearing jack shit from is the Ministry of Health. THEY put out the guidelines STATING what the limits were and these are the same people who say fluoride is safe in our water....
The MOH should trump the govt science advisor, scientists are not doctors, they are glorified statisticians who play with recipes, kinds like chefs that are good at maths.
Dcotors and the MOH are the people at coalface seeing sick people, where is there comments/input into this????????????
Its prob been a big rort yes but at least a few loser druggies found it harder to get a rental for awhile... one less tool to evict loser tenants with...
By the way one interesting thing I found in my research was that the MOH actually published the ingrediants!!! So if your a halfwit theif not knowing what chemicals to steal, heres the god damn govt telling you what shits worth stealing, how dumb is that....
Also when did LABOUR decide they thought this was a rort, surely they didn't just think this up now, been going on seven years??? They magically save homeowners from this cost after being elected..... You don't need to be in govt to do research and come up with the stats....
Paul in NZ
2nd June 2018, 20:12
Just another stunning example of how private enterprise can lead us to a utopian future with a best fit for purpose solution...
Ocean1
2nd June 2018, 20:40
Just another stunning example of how private enterprise can lead us to a utopian future with a best fit for purpose solution...
Private enterprise didn’t invent the problem. That’d be a public service with zero links between cause vs effect in general and that of cost and return in particular.
Voltaire
3rd June 2018, 09:30
Just another stunning example of how private enterprise can lead us to a utopian future with a best fit for purpose solution...
My pet hate at work is Testing and Tagging of office equipment, what a racket. I get it for building sites but offices.
At least its only a once every 5 years rip off.
Worksafe has put the fear of invisible friend up PCBU's.
I find it useful sometimes as once you give a piece of work a H and S twist no one is likely to decline funding.
On that, Fecking Hampton Downs charge a $25 H and S levy for each meeting. What do you get for it?????
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