Gun happy US police

[Katman]

Fuck me, this is the second within 48 hours.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12116288/minnesota-police-shooting-philando-castile-falcon-heights-video

[TheDemonLord]

Don't you know?

More guns = More safety!

[pritch]

Now someone has shot a couple of cops at one fo the demonstrations against police murdering people.

[Katman]

Now someone has shot a couple of cops at one fo the demonstrations against police murdering people.

Sounds like it's 3 dead.

[yokel]

Just another well timed distraction.
How many blacks shoot blacks? Shit loads

[Banditbandit]

Just another well timed distraction.
How many blacks shoot blacks? Shit loads

I'm sure Philandro Castile and his family would be pleased know it's just another well-timed distraction ...

[Katman]

Almost 1000 people were fatally shot by US police in 2015.

[yokel]

And why do the keep calling them the 'black man' ?

Its just race hate inciting hype

[yokel]

Almost 1000 people were fatally shot by US police in 2015.

Yeah out of 300 000 000 plus peps

[Katman]

And why do the keep calling them the 'black man' ?

Its just race hate inciting hype

I think you're the only person who has used the word 'black' in the thread so far.

[TheDemonLord]

Almost 1000 people were fatally shot by US police in 2015.

Not enough Guns, Clearly need more.

[Banditbandit]

Sounds like it's 3 dead.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/32013452/us-cops-shot-at-during-protest-report/#page1

[oldrider]

Fuck me, this is the second within 48 hours.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12116288/minnesota-police-shooting-philando-castile-falcon-heights-video

America is a very sick country! :sick: never mind the new president - will sort it out! :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

And why do the keep calling them the 'black man' ?

Its just race hate inciting hype


I think you're the only person who has used the word 'black' in the thread so far.

Yep ... you're right ... he's the only person who has ..

Not to mention his clearly racist dismissals of that person and his life ..

[Paul in NZ]

America is a very sick country! :sick: never mind the new president - will sort it out! :rolleyes:

Their current one was their best hope.... Didn't work out so well...

[Katman]

It never gets old.

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/uQg4I.jpg"/>

[pritch]

How many blacks shoot blacks?

Ahhh the well known "black on black crime" distraction beloved of the KKK and their fellow travellers. And which, of course, is utterly irrelevant.

Both of those recent shootings of black guys appear completely indefensible and might have gained some traction in getting matters improved. Now though the attention will switch to the police shootings and the "Blue Lives Matter" crowd.

A bloody shame all round. No winners there.

[yokel]

I think you're the only person who has used the word 'black' in the thread so far.

From your link.

If you opened up Facebook on Wednesday night, you may have seen a grisly scene: a black man’s slumped, bloodied body — the aftermath of yet another police shooting in America.

You do realise the "black lives matter" are an elite funded political group of shit stirrers.

While a massive political scandal is unfolding, the media will be "white cop shoots a black man, black lives matter blah blah ........

Now lets all be distracted by this side show.
Protests and maybe some riots, it's all good TV watching.





Yep ... you're right ... he's the only person who has ..

Not to mention his clearly racist dismissals of that person and his life ..

How many blacks are killed by whites?
How many blacks are killed by blacks?
what percentage of the US's population is black?

There is no racism any more, get over it.

Oh yeah, who said? "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists!"

[jasonu]

I think you're the only person who has used the word 'black' in the thread so far.

In this thread maybe. You should see the news here. The media are making the most of it.

[yokel]

In this thread maybe. You should see the news here. The media are making the most of it.

This is political terrorism.

The media be like, white cop shoots black man white cop shoots black man white cop shoots black man..................

lets all forget about Hillary lying under oath because white men are racists.

They're pulling out all the stops, resorting to shooting cops.

[mada]

Wait for the NRA to say that if the protesters had been armed with guns they could have stopped the shooters of the cops.... wait a minute.

[Ulsterkiwi]

I watched both of the shooting videos that were available. One thing was common between them, the cops were the ones with all the power yet, to me at least, they seemed to be terrified.
You have to ask what kind of selection process they go through to recruit police over there and what kind of training police get to prepare them for the job.
The woman in the first shooting was sitting beside her dying boyfriend with a child in the back seat. She seemed calm, collected and with the presence of mind to keep her voice steady and physical actions under control. The cop on the other hand was borderline hysterical.

The second is beyond belief, two policemen have one guy pinned to the ground and the man being restrained is shot at point blank range multiple times, a cow in an abattoir has more chance.

Its not guns, NZ has a shit load of guns, its a country whose people are gripped and controlled by fear.:eek5:

[yokel]

I watched both of the shooting videos that were available. One thing was common between them, the cops were the ones with all the power yet, to me at least, they seemed to be terrified.
You have to ask what kind of selection process they go through to recruit police over there and what kind of training police get to prepare them for the job.
The woman in the first shooting was sitting beside her dying boyfriend with a child in the back seat. She seemed calm, collected and with the presence of mind to keep her voice steady and physical actions under control. The cop on the other hand was borderline hysterical.

The second is beyond belief, two policemen have one guy pinned to the ground and the man being restrained is shot at point blank range multiple times, a cow in an abattoir has more chance.

Its not guns, NZ has a shit load of guns, its a country whose people are gripped and controlled by fear.:eek5:

Dealing with these black thugs on a regular basis and being white man pointing a gun at black man thinking "don't fuck this up or it'll be world wide news. BANG! oops

I feel sorry for the cops having to deal with this bullshit.

[sidecar bob]

136 African American people killed by police this year. Unbelievable. If you told me it was eight I would have been shocked.

[yokel]

136 African American people killed by police this year. Unbelievable. If you told me it was eight I would have been shocked.

136 out of some 1000, what's the percentage of the black population again?

about 12.2 % , so thats about 1.4% racism!

Edit, I fucked that up, thats this year so far.

fuck I thought 136 was way to low.

[sidecar bob]

136 out of some 1000, what's the percentage of the black population again?

about 12.2 % , so thats about 1.4% racism!

Edit, I fucked that up, thats this year so far.

fuck I thought 136 was way to low.

It's not so much racism as fuckin trigger happy.
If nobody carried guns it wouldn't be a case of who shoots first. How many kiwis have been blown away by police in NZ so far this year, black or white?
Have to say, that cop that was video'd shooting the dude on tonight's news sounded like Chris off Family Guy peaking out.
Not like a cool calm Police Officer doing his job.

[Virago]

Dealing with these black thugs on a regular basis and being white man pointing a gun at black man thinking "don't fuck this up or it'll be world wide news. BANG! oops

I feel sorry for the cops having to deal with this bullshit.

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4602864.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Ku-Klux-Klan-rally.jpg

[5ive]

How many blacks are killed by whites?
How many blacks are killed by blacks?
what percentage of the US's population is black?

Not the most recent stats, but probably not much change since:

http://i.imgur.com/tOTcCRH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/08vMLY9.png


(http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/)http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex _of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf


(http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf)

[pritch]

You do realise the "black lives matter" are an elite funded political group of shit stirrers.


Apparently you don't realise you are writing complete and utter rubbish. BLM is complicated; the movement started during the problems that occurred in Ferguson, August 2014, following the police shooting of Michael Brown.

Subsequently a group of people decided to start an organisation called Black Lives Matter and raise funds. The latter do not consider the original people to be members of "the movement". President Obama, and the Presidential candidates chose to meet with the original people though. To the annoyance of 'BLM Inc'.

I have been following one of the original BLM people on Twitter since the beginning, and because of that I see posts sent by others. There is no elite funding. Some of these people have been living on the charity of friends. The long term prominent black activists like Jesse jackson, who have achieved very little, don't offer help, presumably they see the new wave as a threat to their own funding.

One of the most prominent BLM activists, Deray McKesson, has accepted an education post in his home town at a salary of US$165,000pa much to the chagrin of viewers of Fox News who don't realise that he is actually qualified for the position. Certainly Fox News coverage didn't mention his qualifications or experience.

[yokel]

Apparently you don't realise you are writing complete and utter rubbish. BLM is complicated; the movement started during the problems that occurred in Ferguson, August 2014, following the police shooting of Michael Brown.

Subsequently a group of people decided to start an organisation called Black Lives Matter and raise funds. The latter do not consider the original people to be members of "the movement". President Obama, and the Presidential candidates chose to meet with the original people though. To the annoyance of 'BLM Inc'.

I have been following one of the original BLM people on Twitter since the beginning, and because of that I see posts sent by others. There is no elite funding. Some of these people have been living on the charity of friends. The long term prominent black activists like Jesse jackson, who have achieved very little, don't offer help, presumably they see the new wave as a threat to their own funding.

One of the most prominent BLM activists, Deray McKesson, has accepted an education post in his home town at a salary of US$165,000pa much to the chagrin of viewers of Fox News who don't realise that he is actually qualified for the position. Certainly Fox News coverage didn't mention his qualifications or experience.

Did they tell you that they're not getting elite funding?

Take a look at the above graph and explain to me why we should hear one about stink arse BLM?

Sometimes the truth is racist,

[yokel]

Lets play a game, racism or truth.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/USA_2009._Percent_of_adult_males_incarcerated_by_r ace_and_ethnicity.png

And don't forget the black population is 13%

[Katman]

Lets play a game, racism or truth.

Let's not forget though that institutionalised racism could also produce a result like that.

E.g. Show us the percentage of whites who get lenient sentences compared to blacks.

[yokel]

Let's not forget though that institutionalised racism could also produce a result like that.

E.g. Show us the percentage of whites who get lenient sentences compared to blacks.

So it's all white peoples fault, and black can do no wrong?
your type of thinking creates violence.

[Grumph]

Some things never cease to amaze me - I've found the American equivalent of yokel on a US based forum...

He claims that by "regretting" the two recent incidents of police shooting blacks, Obama has incited the events in Dallas....

[Katman]

So it's all white peoples fault, and black can do no wrong?
your type of thinking creates violence.


Whoa dude!!

That's the sort of irrationality I'd expect from TheLardBoy.

And he's autistic.

[yokel]

Let's not forget though that institutionalised racism could also produce a result like that.

E.g. Show us the percentage of whites who get lenient sentences compared to blacks.

And what they don't tell you the black community/family has been destroyed by feminism and baby mamas.

Notice how while this black dude was bleeding out his misses was posting it on facebook, bet she's counting the "like's" right now.

It's just a big fucking joke.

[Virago]

So it's all white peoples fault, and black can do no wrong?
your type of thinking creates violence.

Last edited by yokel; Today at 19:27. Reason: I changed "black cunts" because the PC police might bust my skull .

So to clarify, whites are people, and blacks are cunts?

[5ive]

Let's not forget though that institutionalised racism could also produce a result like that.

E.g. Show us the percentage of whites who get lenient sentences compared to blacks.

It doesn't work like that, you have to provide your own stats to back up your point.

I agree that there are certain factors contributing to the disproportionate numbers, but we shouldn't let claims of racism shoot down any debate about the issue (or any other issue), racism is never ok, but it is never the only reason.

[Katman]

And what they don't tell you the black community/family has been destroyed by feminism and baby mamas.

Notice how while this black dude was bleeding out his misses was posting it on facebook, bet she's counting the "like's" right now.

It's just a big fucking joke.

Her actions don't lessen the magnitude of the cop's actions in the slightest.

[5ive]

So to clarify, whites are people, and blacks are cunts?

You shouldn't lower yourslef to his level, it doesn't lead anywhere useful.

[Katman]

I agree that there are certain factors contributing to the disproportionate numbers, but we shouldn't let claims of racism shoot down any debate about the issue (or any other issue), racism is never ok, but it is never the only reason.

Well, you know me - not one to shut down debate.

That's bogan's field of expertise.

[bogan]

Whoa dude!!

That's the sort of irrationality I'd expect from LardBoy.

And he's autistic.

Actually I think we're all surprised that you're actually being rational. Because SOP is you typing shit the rest of us find about as irrational as what you see yokel blithering on about. Ie, take a good look and reflect upon how much like yokel you really are.

[Katman]

take a good look and reflect

Go fuck yourself.

[yokel]

Her actions don't lessen the magnitude of the cop's actions in the slightest.

We don't know the cops actions yet, what I seen on the news, he was shot before the video was started by the TV editors.

this smells like bullshit narrative building.

You clearly hate whites.

[5ive]

Well, you know me - not one to shut down debate.

That's bogan's field of expertise.

Deflection is part of shutting down a debate as well, and I don't know much about Bogan or how he fits into this.

[Katman]

You clearly hate whites.

I get it now.

You're autistic too, aren't you?

[nzspokes]

Wait for the NRA to say that if the protesters had been armed with guns they could have stopped the shooters of the cops.... wait a minute.

Yerp, taking fire from 1 or 2 shooters up high and most would be shitting their pants. Sounds like they were on top of a car park building. These guys had talent to hit 10 cops in the middle of what was going on.

[Katman]

Deflection is part of shutting down a debate as well, and I don't know much about Bogan or how he fits into this.

Well he's about as stupid as you, if that helps any.

[bogan]

Deflection is part of shutting down a debate as well, and I don't know much about Bogan or how he fits into this.

I think he confuses racism causing the problem, with a certain race being the problem. I'll often point out the stupidity of the latter when the ugly anti-semites of this site spout their drivel; they've taken to trying to play the victim card of claiming their racist vitriolic ravings are 'censored' 'stifled' or 'shutdown', should be obvious free speech doesn't cover hate speech...

[mada]

how crazy... yokel supporting the system for a change.

Cops don't stand a chance when citizens can legally walk around carrying guns - how the hell do you cover yourself and at the same time protect the public when members of that public are armed and scared of you and you of them.

A lot of the cops in the US nowadays are black, asian, latino.

Looks as though some of the victims were shot up close too.

*Warning graphic content below*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yp-IH8pa7o

[Akzle]

cracker ass jew motherfuckers

[yokel]

how crazy... yokel supporting the system for a change.

Cops don't stand a chance when citizens can legally walk around carrying guns - how the hell do you cover yourself and at the same time protect the public when members of that public are armed and scared of you and you of them.

A lot of the cops in the US nowadays are black, asian, latino.

Looks as though some of the victims were shot up close too.

*Warning graphic content below*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yp-IH8pa7o

The local law enforcement cops are not the same as the blacked out humvee "police state" type cops.

The real issue is blacks with hand guns, they are the ones doing most of the killing and real danger vs say ISIS

oh yeah "fuck the police"

[5ive]

Well he's about as stupid as you, if that helps any.

Well it depends. You've set the baseline, but have not stated the level of 'stupid', or any stats/facts to back that up.

Still not sure of how that relates to the topic though.

[Katman]

Still not sure of how that relates to the topic though.

I can't see how your suggestion that someone's trying to shut down debate by deflection relates to the topic either.

So we'll call it even.

[BuzzardNZ]

A few less bullets and a few less niggers in the world, I'm not sure if there's a problem here :innocent:

[oldrider]

Their current one was their best hope.... Didn't work out so well...

He may get another term by appointment after the other two get shot or something - it is America after all! :confused:

[Katman]

He may get another term by appointment after the other two get shot or something - it is America after all! :confused:

I'm seeing a mini-series.

[sidecar bob]

I get it now.

You're autistic too, aren't you?

Trying to shut down debate by deflection?

[Katman]

Trying to shut down debate by deflection?

Don't mind me.

Speak your mind.

[sidecar bob]

Don't mind me.

Speak your mind.

Calling someone autistic is hardly arguing your case, it's just being a diickhead because you are out of ideas really.

[Katman]

Calling someone autistic is hardly arguing your case, it's just being a diickhead because you are out of ideas really.

You're just not privy to the joke.

[Woodman]

Calling someone autistic is hardly arguing your case, it's just being a diickhead because you are out of ideas AGAIN.

Fixed...............

[pritch]

The real issue is blacks with hand guns,


You might find it confusing but both of the black guys shot in the last day or so were armed, and both legally. Both states permit handgun carry, and Castile had told the cop he had a concealed carry permit, as is the recommended procedure, but it has been shown before that the right to bear arms applies disproportionately to whites in "the greatest nation on earth". So it turns out he was executed for a broken tail light.

Your comments about the woman recording and giving a running commentary while Philando Castile was dying are somewhat at variance with the professionals. Did you watch to the end where she screams and is comforted by her four year old daughter who witnessed the whole thing from the back seat of the car?

Those white supremacist web sites will rot your brain.

[5ive]

I can't see how your suggestion that someone's trying to shut down debate by deflection relates to the topic either.

So we'll call it even.

Well it all came about because I was actually interested in your claims of 'institutionalised racism' and 'lenient sentences', so was hoping you'd provide the source of that info so that I could further inform myself.

Not sure why you would get so defensive about it though, you can win any points you want to if it makes you feel good.

Doesn't further the debate, or provide any actual info though.

[Oakie]

'Gun happy US police' is the title of this thread. How could they be anything but 'gun happy' in what must be the most gun happy country in the world.

[merv]

From your link.


How many blacks are killed by whites?
How many blacks are killed by blacks?
what percentage of the US's population is black?



Does this help with answers? http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

[5ive]

Does this help with answers? http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

That's a more up to date article, can you link some of those sources for the stats please?

[jasonu]

I watched both of the shooting videos that were available. One thing was common between them, the cops were the ones with all the power yet, to me at least, they seemed to be terrified.
You have to ask what kind of selection process they go through to recruit police over there and what kind of training police get to prepare them for the job.
The woman in the first shooting was sitting beside her dying boyfriend with a child in the back seat. She seemed calm, collected and with the presence of mind to keep her voice steady and physical actions under control. The cop on the other hand was borderline hysterical.

The second is beyond belief, two policemen have one guy pinned to the ground and the man being restrained is shot at point blank range multiple times, a cow in an abattoir has more chance.

Its not guns, NZ has a shit load of guns, its a country whose people are gripped and controlled by fear.:eek5:

You should become a police tactics advisor...

[jasonu]

You might find it confusing but both of the black guys shot in the last day or so were armed, and both legally. .

Alton Sterling was a convicted sex offender amongst other things. That made him a felon carrying a firearm which is a huge no no that carries a large penalty. Good riddance to that fat prick.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/alton-sterling-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet-sex-offender-sex-offense-crime-baton-rouge-louisiana-police-shooting-blane-salamoni-howie-lake-shot-charges-video-youtube-facebook-watch/

[yokel]

You might find it confusing but both of the black guys shot in the last day or so were armed, and both legally. Both states permit handgun carry, and Castile had told the cop he had a concealed carry permit, as is the recommended procedure, but it has been shown before that the right to bear arms applies disproportionately to whites in "the greatest nation on earth". So it turns out he was executed for a broken tail light.

Your comments about the woman recording and giving a running commentary while Philando Castile was dying are somewhat at variance with the professionals. Did you watch to the end where she screams and is comforted by her four year old daughter who witnessed the whole thing from the back seat of the car?

Those white supremacist web sites will rot your brain.

You are a scum bag that supports Obama's and George Soros's BLM terrorist group.

Obama is gulity of inciting hate crimes, he has blood on his hands, you are also guilty by association.

Those BLM terrorist's web sites have rotted your brain.

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[TheDemonLord]

I get it now.

You're autistic too, aren't you?

https://camo.derpicdn.net/78331671f89533d4e9730404c9404141f1f62e22?url=http% 3A%2F%2Fgarotasgeeks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F01%2F25329961.jpg

[Katman]

It doesn't work like that, you have to provide your own stats to back up your point.

Well I read an interesting little ditty the other day that went something like......

A black man is shot by police and the media publish his rap sheet.

A white college athlete gets convicted for rape and the media publish his swim times.

(I know those aren't 'stats' - but I'm sure you get the point).

[yokel]

Well I read an interesting little ditty the other day that went something like......

A black man is shot by police and the media publish his rap sheet.

A white college athlete gets convicted for rape and the media publish his swim times.

(I know those aren't 'stats' - but I'm sure you get the point).

Some white kid roots some drunk passed out chick and the whole world knows about.

And didn't the MSM say both of the black dudes had no criminal record?

If you're trying to say the media has some kinda bias to blacks? You're on another fuckin planet

[pritch]

You are a scum bag that supports Obama's and George Soros's BLM terrorist group.
Obama is gulity of inciting hate crimes, he has blood on his hands, you are also guilty by association.


Well funilly enough you can write what you like and it doesn't bother me at all. Your comments indicate that you are a few sheep short in the top paddock.

I do note though that the State Governor has said that if the passengers in the car were white the guy would probably still be alive. That's a bigger deal than John Key suddenly announcing there's a housing crisis.

[Virago]

Some white kid roots some drunk passed out chick and the whole world knows about.

That event would have passed unnoticed by the world, but for the insanely light sentence imposed by a judge who sympathised with the rapist.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dealing with these black thugs on a regular basis and being white man pointing a gun at black man thinking "don't fuck this up or it'll be world wide news. BANG! oops

I feel sorry for the cops having to deal with this bullshit.

Are you really that stupid, or simply just a racist CUNT?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some white kid roots some drunk passed out chick and the whole world knows about.



So you're a racist cunt, AND a potential rapist?

[bogan]

Seems relevant to put here.

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Broken windows indeed...

[yokel]

Well funnily enough you can write what you like and it doesn't bother me at all. Your comments indicate that you are a few sheep short in the top paddock.

I do note though that the State Governor has said that if the passengers in the car were white the guy would probably still be alive. That's a bigger deal than John Key suddenly announcing there's a housing crisis.

I'm still waiting for your explanation on the white on black and black on black murder stats.

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That event would have passed unnoticed by the world, but for the insanely light sentence imposed by a judge who sympathised with the rapist.

It was not a rape, and the judge judged it accordingly, maybe the sentence was light maybe it wasn't? it really is just a load of nothing.


So you're a racist cunt, AND a potential rapist?

Sometimes the truth is racist, call me a racist if that makes you feel better?

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was not a rape, and the judge judged it accordingly, maybe the sentence was light maybe it wasn't? it really is just a load of nothing.



Sometimes the truth is racist, call me a racist if that makes you feel better?

Not a rape you say? What. A. Fuckwit.

[Swoop]

Apparently you don't realise you are writing complete and utter rubbish.
:niceone:
The dumb cunt really has been beaten with a blunt object.

Are you really that stupid, or simply just a racist CUNT?
No. He is much more retarded than you realise.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No. He is much more retarded than you realise.

So it would seem. And that's saying something.

[Woodman]

Well I read an interesting little ditty the other day that went something like......

A black man is shot by police and the media publish his rap sheet.

A white college athlete gets convicted for rape and the media publish his swim times.

(I know those aren't 'stats' - but I'm sure you get the point).

Did the black man have swim times?

Did the white man have a rap sheet?

Whatever, the media will publish anything to fill up papers.

[Katman]

Did the black man have swim times?

I don't think he even got the chance to make it to the river.


Did the white man have a rap sheet?

Eminem is only one I can think of.

[Virago]

It was not a rape, and the judge judged it accordingly, maybe the sentence was light maybe it wasn't? it really is just a load of nothing

Is there no end to your offensive idiocy?


Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or below the legal age of consent.

At what point do you believe that she gave consent?

[Laava]

Those white supremacist web sites will rot your brain.

Bit late for that.

[Big Dog]

https://youtu.be/oQbei5JGiT8

Sent from Tapatalk. DYAC

[TheDemonLord]

Am I the only one perplexed by shootings of Officers (at the Protests against Police Brutality)?

I mean - if your problem is White cops shooting black people, and then you as a Black person go and shoot white cops in retaliation - can you really be surprised when a White Cop with a nervous trigger finger opts for the tactic of 'shoot first, ask questions later'

It seems rather counter productive to me...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I mean - if your problem is White cops shooting black people, and then you as a Black person go and shoot white cops in retaliation - can you really be surprised when a White Cop with a nervous trigger finger opts for the tactic of 'shoot first, ask questions later'

It seems rather counter productive to me...

It would seem you're not nearly as smart as you think you are to me.

[nzspokes]

Am I the only one perplexed by shootings of Officers (at the Protests against Police Brutality)?

I mean - if your problem is White cops shooting black people, and then you as a Black person go and shoot white cops in retaliation - can you really be surprised when a White Cop with a nervous trigger finger opts for the tactic of 'shoot first, ask questions later'

It seems rather counter productive to me...

Shooter is an ex-specialist in army. Did a tour in Afghanistan. So thats where his base training came from and possibly PTSD.

The attack was well thought through but I doubt any consequential thinking was involved. Cops didnt stand a chance against this guy.

[pritch]

Am I the only one perplexed by shootings of Officers (at the Protests against Police Brutality)?

It seems rather counter productive to me...

No, and yes me too. And so say all of us. Well, those of us who still have most of our marbles anyway. :whistle:

[jasonu]

Am I the only one perplexed by shootings of Officers (at the Protests against Police Brutality)?

I mean - if your problem is White cops shooting black people, and then you as a Black person go and shoot white cops in retaliation - can you really be surprised when a White Cop with a nervous trigger finger opts for the tactic of 'shoot first, ask questions later'

It seems rather counter productive to me...

I wonder if some white people will go around burning up and looting their own neighborhoods and generally fuck up their own shit in protest to the shootings...

[awa355]

This police chief pretty much has the big picture summed up.


In remarkable observations made before the Dallas killings, Milwaukee police chief Ed Flynn said: "We're the most heavily armed, violent society in the history of Western civilisation and we dump this duty on 25-year- olds [in police departments]. The problem for American policing is we're learning the hard way, that our political establishment finds it far easier to develop a constituency at the expense of our police than to solve these social problems."

[Jin]

Why is it when an officer shoots someone is his fault but a black criminal shots someone its the guns fault?

[Katman]

.....but a black criminal shots someone its the guns fault?

Can you name even one instance?

[Jin]

Can you name even one instance?
Just listen to Obama. Barely a minute into his speech on the Dallas shootings he starts up about gun control. Any pro gun control moron will use the Dallas incident as an example of why gun control is needed.

[Katman]

Just listen to Obama. Barely a minute into his speech on the Dallas shootings he starts up about gun control. Any pro gun control moron will use the Dallas incident as an example of why gun control is needed.

That's not what I asked.

Can you name even one instance where a black criminal, who has shot and killed someone, has been absolved of blame - with the blame being placed on the gun instead?

[Woodman]

Why isn't this thread titled "Gun happy US criminals" ?

[jasonu]

Why isn't this thread titled "Gun happy US criminals" ?

Because that is not as provocative.

[pritch]

Why isn't this thread titled "Gun happy US criminals" ?

Possibly because once a week in the US of A a cop is killed. The police though kill three people every day on average.

Nowhere else in the world does anything remotely like this occur. Some politicians there like to refer to "a war on police". But police casualty figures have been running at twenty year lows. None of which helps those affected of course.

[bogan]

Why is it when an officer shoots someone is his fault but a black criminal shots someone its the guns fault?

Might be because gun control aims to take away the criminal's guns, but let the cops keep theirs :whistle:

[ellipsis]

...Gun Control?...frivolous statements or wishes really...a little like the wishful, 'Climate Control', or 'Self Control', or 'Coastal Erosion Control', or 'Honest Politician'...oxymorons, even...

[Jin]

That's not what I asked.

Can you name even one instance where a black criminal, who has shot and killed someone, has been absolved of blame - with the blame being placed on the gun instead?
Does Obama rant about gun control when police shoot black people?

There's your answer dipshit.

[yokel]

Is there no end to your offensive idiocy?



At what point do you believe that she gave consent?

That's the new feminist definition of rape silly,
Tell me, what exactly qualifies as "consent"? have you given or received "consent" every time you've given a lady a hot one?

Real rape is a forceful aggressive act against someone's will.

If this slapper was unable to give "consent" due to her own actions then she has to be responsible for her own actions.

You got the new iConsent App? https://youtu.be/Rc_E9JtM_ss



Moving on, the real reason for all this orchestrated chaos.
Race is going to be a big issue so "They" can all call Trump a RACIST!

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[Crasherfromwayback]

That's the new feminist definition of rape silly,
Tell me, what exactly qualifies as "consent"? have you given or received "consent" every time you've given a lady a hot one?

Real rape is a forceful aggressive act against someone's will.

If this slapper was unable to give "consent" due to her own actions then she has to be responsible for her own actions.

>

I seriously hope you end up in jail one day and get gang raped. Fucking raving fuckwit.

[Katman]

And let's not forget that police brutality doesn't have to involve guns.

There's no shortage of disturbing videos of brutal beatings being dished out.

[yokel]

I seriously hope you end up in jail one day and get gang raped. Fucking raving fuckwit.


https://cdn.meme.am/instances/31672212.jpg

How about we move on from your heavy flow and get the thread back on track.

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The need for "gun control" (focusing on long guns) is one of the most stupidest and yet popular arguments ATM.
only a moron would try and debate it.
http://www.mediabias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mediabias2011deaths-300x250.jpg

[bogan]

http://www.mediabias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mediabias2011deaths-300x250.jpg

Speaking of bias, why did you leave the 10 thousand odd other (handguns etc) gun deaths off that list? :scratch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Speaking of bias, why did you leave the 10 thousand odd other (handguns etc) gun deaths off that list? :scratch:

Because he's a raving fuckwit. Potential rapist too.

[Katman]

When a country's police force loses sight of the fact that they're there to uphold the law and instead willfully becomes a law unto their own, you know that country is a fucking mess.

I can't help but often think that the best thing that could happen to America is that it burns to the ground.

Maybe whatever rises from the ashes might be worth a modicum of respect.

[Crasherfromwayback]

When a country's police force loses sight of the fact that they're there to uphold the law and instead willfully becomes a law unto their own, you know that country is a fucking mess.

I can't help but often think that the best thing that could happen to America is that it burns to the ground.

Maybe whatever rises from the ashes might be worth a modicum of respect.

It's such a shame. Because it's a fucking awesome place to visit.

[nzspokes]

And let's not forget that police brutality doesn't have to involve guns.

There's no shortage of disturbing videos of brutal beatings being dished out.

Random thought, in New Zealand how many have died at the hands of the Police vs how many Police have died at the hand of criminals?

No, I have no idea of the answer.

[Katman]

Random thought, in New Zealand how many have died at the hands of the Police vs how many Police have died at the hand of criminals?

No, I have no idea of the answer.

Regardless of what the figures are, when the police become no better than the criminals they're policing you know your society is fucked.

[bogan]

When a country's police force loses sight of the fact that they're there to uphold the law and instead willfully becomes a law unto their own, you know that country is a fucking mess.

I can't help but often think that the best thing that could happen to America is that it burns to the ground.

Maybe whatever rises from the ashes might be worth a modicum of respect.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. America is a big place, far bigger than the <1% of incidents you focus on...

[Virago]

That's the new feminist definition of rape silly...

No it's not. It's called The Law. I guess as a civilised society we should be grateful that you are not making our laws - your boorishness and misogynistic attitudes have no place.


...Real rape is a forceful aggressive act against someone's will...

According to your warped definition of rape, I'm guessing then it's okay to slip one in if a woman is unconscious as the result of an accident, or under anaesthetic?

[pritch]

According to your warped definition of rape, I'm guessing then it's okay to slip one in if a woman is unconscious as the result of an accident, or under anaesthetic?

Or recently deceased? :devil2:

[Crasherfromwayback]

No it's not. It's called The Law. I guess as a civilised society we should be grateful that you are not making our laws - your boorishness and misogynistic attitudes have no place.



According to your warped definition of rape, I'm guessing then it's okay to slip one in if a woman is unconscious as the result of an accident, or under anaesthetic?


Or recently deceased? :devil2:

I wonder if the *guy* has a daughter, if his *views* would change if she was drugged and raped?

[yokel]

Speaking of bias, why did you leave the 10 thousand odd other (handguns etc) gun deaths off that list? :scratch:

Leaving out hand guns is quite intentional, you should think about why that would be?

What type of guns does the government want to control?

[Crasherfromwayback]

And let's not forget that police brutality doesn't have to involve guns.

There's no shortage of disturbing videos of brutal beatings being dished out.

Like this one?

https://www.facebook.com/MediaWontShowYou/videos/1689663431310534/?pnref=story

[Crasherfromwayback]

Leaving out hand guns is quite intentional,

Because you're a Tard?

323004

[yokel]

No it's not. It's called The Law. I guess as a civilised society we should be grateful that you are not making our laws - your boorishness and misogynistic attitudes have no place.



According to your warped definition of rape, I'm guessing then it's okay to slip one in if a woman is unconscious as the result of an accident, or under anaesthetic?

Your Feminist attitude is fucking lame.

And the laws are always fucking changing as a result of retarded Feminist law makers.

Look at the way the modern female behaves and tell me that's "civilised".

If this dude was the one that drugged her, then yeah he should go for a skate.

Obviously I don't agree with this kids actions, but it's not rape if he didn't intentionally drug her.


I wonder if the *guy* has a daughter, if his *views* would change if she was drugged and raped?

I'm having one next month, If she ended up drunk or drugged herself and ended up passed out somewhere? I would be fucking unimpressed.

[yokel]

Because you're a Tard?

323004

Do the math dummy,

how many killed by hand guns?
how many killed by long guns?

Too many stupid cunts around that can't quantify shit.

[Katman]

I'm having one next month, If she ended up drunk or drugged herself and ended up passed out somewhere? I would be fucking unimpressed.

Like has already been asked.......

If she fainted and some guy took advantage of her incapacitation, would that be rape?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your Feminist attitude is fucking lame.
, but it's not rape if he didn't intentionally drug her.

I'm having one next month, If she ended up drunk or drugged herself and ended up passed out somewhere? I would be fucking unimpressed.

Lame, is what you see every time you look in the mirror. God help your poor daughter is all I can say. Cunts like you shouldn't be allowed to breed.



Too many stupid cunts around that can't quantify shit.

In your words... "but it's not rape if he didn't intentionally drug her". Oh I see. So some other cunt drugged her, she was unconscious, and he just happened to stab her with his dick when she was out to it, and that's not rape? As I said before...I seriously hope you get raped one day.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like has already been asked.......

If she fainted and some guy took advantage of her incapacitation, would that be rape?

Nah! If they guy fucking her didn't actually make her faint...all good! Climb aboard all!!!

[bogan]

Leaving out hand guns is quite intentional, you should think about why that would be?

What type of guns does the government want to control?

So, are they also wanting to control hammers? cos that was on the chart. It's almost like that chart was there to give perspective, and you made a rather glaring ommision to distort that perspective. Rather like your 'views' on rape.

[James Deuce]

Do the math dummy,

how many killed by hand guns?
how many killed by long guns?

Too many stupid cunts around that can't quantify shit.
~23000 pa with handguns in the US alone. The vast majority are suicides, around 14000 or so. The remaining ~10000 are a mix of semi-auto assault rifle replicas, shotguns and hunting weapons and as a result of the militarisation of the US police forces, there's an increasing number of 7.62mm chambered weapons making an impact in the stats. Accidental deaths are quite low in the stats. around 7-800 pa.

You don't have to do any math, you can just look it up in all manner of press. How the numbers are pitched depends on the political leanings of the organisation publishing the data. The gun lobbyists will claim that accidental deaths are the only ones that should count, with homicide and suicide being the result entirely of criminal activity and poor people owning guns and mental cases deserving to die, to Vegans who are bit miffed that people have to die by gunshot wounds at all.

As for stupid cunts, you are an utterly reprehensible Internet character and I am mortally offended that I have to inhabit the same electronic media as you. Well, not mortally, that's just hyperbole. Actually I'm not offended at all. You're a funny, funny little man. Just darling. Who's a good boy!? Who's a good boy!?

[Crasherfromwayback]

~

As for stupid cunts, you are an utterly reprehensible Internet character and I am mortally offended that I have to inhabit the same electronic media as you.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say we've found KB's biggest cunt ever.

[yokel]

~23000 pa with handguns in the US alone. The vast majority are suicides, around 14000 or so. The remaining ~10000 are a mix of semi-auto assault rifle replicas, shotguns and hunting weapons and as a result of the militarisation of the US police forces, there's an increasing number of 7.62mm chambered weapons making an impact in the stats. Accidental deaths are quite low in the stats. around 7-800 pa.



You trying to not be a "racist" is making your brain stop working.

How many of the remaining 10000 are by handgun?
How many are by blacks with handguns?
Funny thing is you don't even mention "handguns" in your mix.


https://ratabor.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/weapon-to-murder-statistics.jpg

[yokel]

Yeah, I think it's fair to say we've found KB's biggest cunt ever.

Oh, go bleed a river with your vagina.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh, go bleed a river with your vagina.

Gee that's a pretty good one. From a cunt.

[yokel]

So Alton Sterling owed 25 large in child support.
Another man killed by the feminist system.

Funny how when this busted out in the media both of these guys were apparently carrying guns legally.

Philando Castile shooting was NOT a routine traffic stop.

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[Katman]

Philando Castile shooting was NOT a routine traffic stop.

Well I managed to make it to the point of "Well, if you've got a 4 year old child in the car you shouldn't have weed in the car".

What a fuckwit.

It's nothing more than an exercise in character assassination - one that could easily be expected from the likes of husaberk.

[yokel]

Well I managed to make it to the point of "Well, if you've got a 4 year old child in the car you shouldn't have weed in the car".

What a fuckwit.

It's nothing more than an exercise in character assassination - one that could easily be expected from the likes of husaberk.

So because of that one comment everything must be rejected?

It does not change the facts as any relational person would know.

The media's knee-jerk reaction much like yours makes people misinformed.

It's reasonable to say the hype created by the misreporting the facts is responsible of the deaths of the police cops.

[Bassmatt]

Simple Definition of yokel
—used as an insulting word for a person who lives in a small town or in the country far away from cities and is regarded as stupid
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

[yokel]

Simple Definition of yokel
—used as an insulting word for a person who lives in a small town or in the country far away from cities and is regarded as stupid
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

Oh please, make it stop.
I am my own worst critic, it's what makes me awesome.

[Katman]

So because of that one comment everything must be rejected?

It certainly wasn't the only comment. As I've said, the video is nothing more than an exercise in character assassination.

Interesting though how quickly he glossed over the fact that the cop who shot Alton Sterling was already under investigation for a previous shooting of a black man.

[yokel]

It most certainly wasn't the only comment. As I've said, the video is nothing more than an exercise in character assassination.

Interesting though how quickly he glossed over the fact that the cop who shot Alton Sterling was already under investigation for a previous shooting of a black man.

No it is not, this black arse crim assassinated his own character.

He is not the kinda black man the media made him out to be.

I'm sure all shootings are investigated.

Also one of the white cops was Latino, just like George Zimmerman.

[Woodman]

It's reasonable to say the hype created by the misreporting the facts is responsible of the deaths of the police cops.

Fuck Fuck Fuck. As much as I hate to admit it, I cannot completely disagree with yokel here. Same shit happens here, some person gets shot, beaten, arrested by the police and it often gets reported how much of a nice person they were. The news probarbly sells better in the USwhen they play the police vs blackman card so thats what gets reported.

[Laava]

Well I managed to make it to the point of "Well, if you've got a 4 year old child in the car you shouldn't have weed in the car".

What a fuckwit.

It's nothing more than an exercise in character assassination - one that could easily be expected from the likes of husaberk.


So because of that one comment everything must be rejected?

It does not change the facts as any relational person would know.

The media's knee-jerk reaction much like yours makes people misinformed.

It's reasonable to say the hype created by the misreporting the facts is responsible of the deaths of the police cops.


So are you guys breaking up now?

[yokel]

Fuck Fuck Fuck. As much as I hate to admit it, I cannot completely disagree with yokel here. Same shit happens here, some person gets shot, beaten, arrested by the police and it often gets reported how much of a nice person they were. The news probarbly sells better in the USwhen they play the police vs blackman card so thats what gets reported.

What Obama the media and friends have done is incite (I believe intentionally) an angry mob.

Also the use of a drone to blow up the alleged sniper suspect in it's self is quite interesting, time to play with their new toys?

http://www.anonews.co/drone-in-dallas/

[oldrider]

Fuck Fuck Fuck. As much as I hate to admit it, I cannot completely disagree with yokel here. Same shit happens here, some person gets shot, beaten, arrested by the police and it often gets reported how much of a nice person they were. The news probarbly sells better in the USwhen they play the police vs blackman card so thats what gets reported.

It's difficult on an anonymous "written" forum but have you never noticed how many KBr's have heavy patches glued over their good eyes? :woohoo:

Maybe it's because their eyes get so full of dead flies and shit when out riding their motorcycles! :ride: . (PT)

[Woodman]

What Obama the media and friends have done is incite (I believe intentionally) an angry mob.

Also the use of a drone to blow up the alleged sniper suspect in it's self is quite interesting, time to play with their new toys?

http://www.anonews.co/drone-in-dallas/

And the problem is there are too many katmans who can't see past what the media tell them because that is what they want to hear.

[bogan]

What Obama the media and friends have done is incite (I believe intentionally) an angry mob.

Also the use of a drone to blow up the alleged sniper suspect in it's self is quite interesting, time to play with their new toys?

http://www.anonews.co/drone-in-dallas/

Good job, fucker deserved nothing less, as for the precious US Citizen / soil bit, they've been doing that to extremists outside their border for years...


It's difficult on an anonymous "written" forum but have you never noticed how many KBr's have heavy patches glued over their good eyes? :woohoo:

Maybe it's because their eyes get so full of dead flies and shit when out riding their motorcycles! :ride: . (PT)

So what's your excuse you bikeless old buffoon? Or are you dumb enough to think you're the one guy in the sea of others who thinks their drivel is right, that actually is? :laugh:

[Katman]

Or are you dumb enough to think you're the one guy in the sea of others who thinks their drivel is right, that actually is? :laugh:

But yours is?

[bogan]

But your's is?

Mine's based on, and up for, rational debate; thus in an entirely different category.

[oldrider]

So what's your excuse you bikeless old buffoon? Or are you dumb enough to think you're the one guy in the sea of others who thinks their drivel is right, that actually is? :laugh:

Amazing! - Works every time on the insecure self-righteous nonentities that frequent this forum - even when you label it a piss take ffs! :Pokey:

[bogan]

Amazing! - Works every time on the insecure self-righteous nonentities that frequent this forum - even when you label it a piss take ffs! :Pokey:

So, no excuse then. And talking to no-one may be a sign of dementia old fulla; just one of many though, so I guess sweep that under your carpet to keep your logic and morality company...

[James Deuce]

You trying to not be a "racist" is making your brain stop working.

How many of the remaining 10000 are by handgun?
How many are by blacks with handguns?
Funny thing is you don't even mention "handguns" in your mix.


https://ratabor.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/weapon-to-murder-statistics.jpg

It's increased dramatically since 2010. I was using 2015 stats. They reckon that gun deaths will outstrip motor vehicle deaths for the first time in US history this year. You've also cherry picked the Homicide section of the 28,000+ people who died via lead injection in 2010

[SPman]

Cops shoot blacks....blacks shoot cops.....surprised?...no......care?......even less!

Just ring fence the country and let them shoot, stab, hack, rape, explode and exterminate each other, until they've sorted out their shit!

Just don't put it on high rotate fucking news stations so you have to listen to whining newsreaders suffering from emotional incontinence trying to make out they actually care about this stuff and so should you! If I want to think this is bad shit I'll do it by myself, not be told to think it's bad by someone else with the IQ of a gnat!

There are more important things happening close to home that deserve more of my attention than this imported drama!

[Crasherfromwayback]

There are more important things happening close to home that deserve more of my attention than this imported drama!

I agree. But tell us what yours are?

[pritch]

So because of that one comment everything must be rejected?

It does not change the facts as any relational person would know.



No there's much more than that. All of his comments about Michael Brown are highly questionable. He assumes that because there was "weed in the car" that the woman was smoking weed in front of the child. That's a giant leap.

He says that Castile was reaching for a gun. The witness says he was reaching for ID. There is a recommended procedure for a police stop if you have a firearm and castile was apparently following it.

I told you not to watch those white supremacist websites.

Oh, by the way, what's a "relational person"? An inbred yokel who is having sex with his sister?

[jasonu]

I agree. But tell us what yours are?

Probably rugby or if a New Zealander got 19th in the Olympics synchronized swimming.

[yokel]

No there's much more than that. All of his comments about Michael Brown are highly questionable. He assumes that because there was "weed in the car" that the woman was smoking weed in front of the child. That's a giant leap.

He says that Castile was reaching for a gun. The witness says he was reaching for ID. There is a recommended procedure for a police stop if you have a firearm and castile was apparently following it.

I told you not to watch those white supremacist websites.

Oh, by the way, what's a "relational person"? An inbred yokel who is having sex with his sister?

Perhaps this black dude with weed in his car was a bit nervous bout being stopped?

How is the cop meant to know what he was reaching for, I'd say he was told NOT to reach for anything but the sky?

In time when this is all down the memory hole we will know.

You should stop frequenting those white hate websites, makes you dumb ow.

[yokel]

It's increased dramatically since 2010. I was using 2015 stats. They reckon that gun deaths will outstrip motor vehicle deaths for the first time in US history this year. You've also cherry picked the Homicide section of the 28,000+ people who died via lead injection in 2010

Cherry picked? you sir are an idiot.

Do you think being in contact with a firearm somehow produces suicidal thoughts??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do you think being in contact with a firearm somehow produces suicidal thoughts??

If you've got one, I certainly hope so. Before you get to breed again.

[yokel]

If you've got one, I certainly hope so. Before you get to breed again.

How long do your menstrual cramps usually last for?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How long do your menstrual cramps usually last for?

You'd know. You are the biggest cunt after all.

[Brian d marge]

One wonders if the Dallas "sniper" had modified the clip , on his SKS , 10 rounds not a hell of a lot

oh and the media say the fire was triangulated ( tui )

and the date adds up ......

Keep focused on this , ...dont go looking at anything in the Ukraine or Europe ( Italian banks and the German bank ) , its all good over there ...honest guv

[Paul in NZ]

Perhaps this black dude with weed in his car was a bit nervous bout being stopped?




Pretty sure most people are pretty nervous when dealing with the Police in the USA

Apparently the Police are even more nervous in dealing with people...

[Voltaire]

One wonders if the Dallas "sniper" had modified the clip , on his SKS , 10 rounds not a hell of a lot

oh and the media say the fire was triangulated ( tui )

and the date adds up ......

Keep focused on this , ...dont go looking at anything in the Ukraine or Europe ( Italian banks and the German bank ) , its all good over there ...honest guv

Triangulated, as in grassy knoll?, must be a Dallas thing.

[bogan]

Triangulated, as in grassy knoll?, must be a Dallas thing.

We keep hearing how 'the man' is always listening, so triangulation doesn't seem too far fetched...

[husaberg]

Random thought, in New Zealand how many have died at the hands of the Police vs how many Police have died at the hand of criminals?

No, I have no idea of the answer.

Since 1941, 29 people have been fatally shot by police
Since 1941 23 NZ police have been killed in the line of duty by criminal act, ie not accidental.

[Katman]

Since 1941, 29 people have been fatally shot by police


Make that 30.

[yokel]

"hands up don't shoot" = complete bullshit.

What ever happened to "thou shalt not bear false witness"?

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[Big Dog]

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/armed-police-cordon-off-hamilton-street-2016071220

The number 30 of which Katman speaks I presume.

Sent from Tapatalk. DYAC

[husaberg]

Make that 30.

So how many innocent people have been killed by criminals in NZ in the same time period?

ie the police killing even at 30 = ie less than 1% for the same time period of those innocents murdered by criminals, but shit don't let that get in the way of the compelling story you are trying to weave.

[Brian d marge]

Over 300 a year by stupidity

sent for a divine source

[Woodman]

Over 300 a year by stupidity

sent for a divine source

I propose that we ban stupidity.

[jasonu]

I propose that we ban stupidity.

That would put an end to Kiwi Bitcher...

[Brian d marge]

I propose that we ban stupidity.
I propose a yellow badge

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

I propose a yellow badge

sent for a divine source

That seems like a rather bad taste Joke, I did kind of expect better from you. Its more something I would expect axkel katman oldie or yokel would spout off.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge

[TheDemonLord]

That seems like a rather bad taste Joke, I did kind of expect better from you. Its more something I would expect axkel katman oldie or yokel would spout off.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge

Well, I laughed....

[yokel]

I propose that we ban stupidity.

Dirty old mother nature had a plain for the stupid.

[Brian d marge]

That seems like a rather bad taste Joke, I did kind of expect better from you. Its more something I would expect axkel katman oldie or yokel would spout off.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge
Ur reading things that weren't there ..how about a pink carnation..

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[TheDemonLord]

Dirty old mother nature had a plain for the stupid.

Quoted, for hilarity.

[Virago]

Dirty old mother nature had a plain for the stupid.

For those who are plainly too stupid to spell correctly?

[Woodman]

Dirty old mother nature had a plain for the stupid.


Is that where the rain in Spain falls?

[yokel]

For those who are plainly too stupid to spell correctly?

Bad spelling hasn't killed me yet.

[husaberg]

Ur reading things that weren't there ..how about a pink carnation..

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fair enough, but you must admit it was a poor choice of phrase.

[yokel]

fair enough, but you must admit it was a poor choice of phrase.

No, you just see anti-semitism everywhere

[WristTwister]

No, you just see anti-semitism everywhere


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

[Brian d marge]

No, you just see anti-semitism everywhere
https://youtu.be/--7spmbpQl0

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[Madness]

Make that 30.

Raise you one.

[Virago]

Raise you one.

Doesn't count - that one isn't dead. Crappy marksmanship if you ask me.

[Katman]

What concerns me most is the idea that we're losing sight of the idea of retreating from conflict rather than escalating.

The police should follow this protocol to the letter.

Taking someone's life should always be the last resort.

[bogan]

What concerns me most is the idea that we're losing sight of the idea of retreating from conflict rather than escalating.

The police should follow this protocol to the letter.

Taking someone's life should always be the last resort.

I think you'll find the de-escalation of conflict is a better protocol to follow. As a retreat allows the conflict to continue unabated.

[Katman]

I think you'll find the de-escalation of conflict is a better protocol to follow. As a retreat allows the conflict to continue unabated.

Bullshit. The cop is unlikely to know the mind of the person in front of them.

Should people be killed simply because they're mentally unstable?

[Madness]

Doesn't count - that one isn't dead. Crappy marksmanship if you ask me.

True. Give it time, his condition might go downhill yet.

[bogan]

Bullshit. The cop is unlikely to know the mind of the person in front of them.

Should people be killed simply because they're mentally unstable?

Should people be killed simply because somebody else is mentally unstable and the cops were following the retreat protocol?

That's what I mean by de-escalating the situation, sometimes retreat is the answer, sometimes it isn't.

[Katman]

Should people be killed simply because somebody else is mentally unstable and the cops were following the retreat protocol?


If a situation escalates to a point where a life is in immediate danger then I believe lethal force is justified.

I'm not convinced that that degree of restarint is SOP.

There are too many examples of premature sentencing.

[bogan]

If a situation escalates to a point where a life is in immediate danger then I believe lethal force is justified.

I'm not convinced that that degree of restarint is SOP.

There are too many examples of premature sentencing.

So what you're saying, is retreat only sometimes? Like when a retreat would de-escalate the situation... no where have I heard that before :whistle:

[Katman]

So what you're saying, is retreat only sometimes? Like when a retreat would de-escalate the situation... no where have I heard that before :whistle:

I say retreat until someone's life is in immediate danger.

What can't you understand about that?

[Brian d marge]

Should people be killed simply because somebody else is mentally unstable and the cops were following the retreat protocol?

That's what I mean by de-escalating the situation, sometimes retreat is the answer, sometimes it isn't.
Well the Germans amerixcans and the British all have perfect the idea

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[husaberg]

Well the Germans amerixcans and the British all have perfect the idea

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I think you will find its the French

[Brian d marge]

I think you will find its the French
French have perfected the running away bit
The real skill is pretending to bugger off but at the same time , all in the name of science, reduce the lesser mortals in society
Now that's skill
Bombing the crap out of them is messy and so 1984



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[bogan]

I say retreat until someone's life is in immediate danger.

What can't you understand about that?

The bit where that isn't what you said to begin with...

The bit where you said the protocol of de-escalating the situation was bullshit...

[Woodman]

What concerns me most is the idea that we're losing sight of the idea of retreating from conflict rather than escalating.

The police should follow this protocol to the letter.

Taking someone's life should always be the last resort.


And what message is that sending to the criminals?

[Brian d marge]

this is da numbers from the US , of an A .....

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

[Virago]

And what message is that sending to the criminals?

^^This^^

There's too many bleeding hearts who moan that police shouldn't pursue vehicle runners, and that they should run away from violent criminals. Too many keyboard warriors who have the amazing gift of being wise after the event, and even wiser before the facts are known.

I followed a hilarious discussion on facebook yesterday. One clown said police shouldn't be issued with guns, they should instead be issued with nets to throw over the criminals (and yes she was quite serious).

A small measure of support for the boys in blue wouldn't go amiss.

[Katman]

There's too many bleeding hearts who moan that police shouldn't pursue vehicle runners, and that they should run away from violent criminals. Too many keyboard warriors who have the amazing gift of being wise after the event, and even wiser before the facts are known.

And this is the real problem....

Fuckwits who equate 'retreating and containing' to 'running away'.

[Virago]

And this is the real problem....

Fuckwits who equate 'retreating and containing' to 'running away'.

A concept which is easy to be an expert on from behind the safety of a keyboard, and from the security of hindsight.

[Akzle]

.. facebook ...she ... serious


well, theres your problem

[Trade_nancy]

And this is the real problem....

Fuckwits who equate 'retreating and containing' to 'running away'.

Well "fuckwits" as such...are ALWAYS a problem. ..irrespective of their interpretation of anything.

[bogan]

And this is the real problem....

Fuckwits who equate 'retreating and containing' to 'running away'.

Perhaps if the hemorrhaging rectums mentioned containing in their initial 'protocol' instead of simply saying they should retreat from conflict, fuckwittery would be reduced?

Also, you might want to change that one, 'retreating and containing' sounds a lot like that de-escalating the situation 'bullshit' :killingme

[Woodman]

And this is the real problem....

Fuckwits who equate 'retreating and containing' to 'running away'.

Think you are taking the term "running away" too literally. Pretty sure he meant retreating. Hey maybe the police and the crims should get together and brainstorm a game plan, or come up with a list of desired outcomes.:facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

Nowt wrong with buggering off in a smart fashion ..

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[Swoop]

One wonders if the Dallas "sniper" had modified the clip , on his SKS , 10 rounds not a hell of a lot.

Since an SKS cannot have a "modified" (naked fucking retarded arse here: "CLIP" - it is a magazine ffs). It must have been an SKK.
There is a world of difference.


Not that the "expert" here would know.






Your divine sauce has been over-cooked now. It's fucked.

[Kickaha]

I followed a hilarious discussion on facebook yesterday. One clown said police shouldn't be issued with guns, they should instead be issued with nets to throw over the criminals (and yes she was quite serious).

Don't forget the muppets who think they should just shoot them in an arm or a leg or shoot the weapon out of the persons hands

[Brian d marge]

Since an SKS cannot have a "modified" (naked fucking retarded arse here: "CLIP" - it is a magazine ffs). It must have been an SKK.
There is a world of difference.


Not that the "expert" here would know.






Your divine sauce has been over-cooked now. It's fucked.
https://youtu.be/TM4fagQuvHs
Looks modified and he says it's an Sks
https://youtu.be/vPzt7pW3RyY
Modified with duct tape ..he calls it an Sks

No not being a gun expert ..see post about Robin Hood . One must excuse the non gun terminology

But the and many more look like modified Sks rifles

And Imho it looks like a solid bit of kit ..



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[scumdog]

Since an SKS cannot have a "modified" (naked fucking retarded arse here: "CLIP" - it is a magazine ffs). It must have been an SKK.
There is a world of difference.


Not that the "expert" here would know.




The stripper clips ('chargers' in old British terms) make for bloody quick reloads on a SKS.,

[Akzle]

The stripper clips ('chargers' in old British terms) make for bloody quick reloads on a SKS.,

all 7 rounds :sweatdrop

[Laava]

The stripper clips ('chargers' in old British terms) make for bloody quick reloads on a SKS.,

Yep, I bought a brand new SKS in a wooden box with a bipod and a thousand rounds of steel ammo, loaded in clips a few years back. Me and my bro emptied the lot into some targets down the farm and then lost interest. An SKS is a useless gun for nz conditions. It is made for warfare only IMO.

[ellipsis]

An SKS is a useless gun for nz conditions. It is made for warfare only IMO.

... you mean possums?...

[Brian d marge]

Yep, I bought a brand new SKS in a wooden box with a bipod and a thousand rounds of steel ammo, loaded in clips a few years back. Me and my bro emptied the lot into some targets down the farm and then lost interest. An SKS is a useless gun for nz conditions. It is made for warfare only IMO.
out of curiosity , what are the NZ conditions that make it useless?? distance? lack of police in rural areas ?

Stephen

[husaberg]

out of curiosity , what are the NZ conditions that make it useless?? distance? lack of police in rural areas ?

Stephen

Its a short cartridge 7.62X39 (same as a AK) and thus limited range and much lower muzzle velocity . Compared to pretty much anything else in similar calibre esp 308. ie 7.62x51 Or to a 303.
Plus they are very hard to add scopes too and only have very basic sights.
They were designed exclusively to kill humans at very short range, ie less the 50 yards and be cheap to make and be rugged, They were not designed to be hunting rifles.
Yes I didn't miss the joke.

[scumdog]

An SKS is a useless gun for nz conditions. It is made for warfare only IMO.

A lot of pig hunters would disagree.

[scumdog]

all 7 rounds :sweatdrop

Only for some....:msn-wink:

[husaberg]

A lot of pig hunters would disagree.

Pig hunting is warfare its not really a long range kill with stealth operation is it.

[Akzle]

Only for some....:msn-wink:

those 30Rd clips eh..

[Laava]

... you mean possums?...

Haha, yep I did use mine for possums a couple of times but it is a difficult machine to mount a scope to and fucken noisy making it a bit anti social near your neighbours house at 2.00am!


out of curiosity , what are the NZ conditions that make it useless?? distance? lack of police in rural areas ?

Stephen

With the exception of pig hunting, see below, there is a better gun for every other use. There is a degree of fun factor in just letting off as many rounds as poss in a short time but that gets boring quickly too.


A lot of pig hunters would disagree.

You are right, pig hunting would be a good use I guess, not my thing. Happy to eat the wild swine tho!

[Brian d marge]

I'll have a look
I'm in the supermarket now ...plenty of deer poo [emoji12]
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/5795cb1a3a653adbb7598d9d52c5c775.jpg

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[Tazz]

A lot of pig hunters would disagree.

A lot of pig 'hunters' are fucking idiots too to be fair :girlfight:

[oldrider]

Gingrich on Obama's relentless fail on race relations. (police etc) http://video.foxnews.com/v/5031531082001/gingrich-on-obamas-relentless-failure-in-race-relations/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips

[awayatc]

A lot of pig hunters would disagree.

Mosin nagant ....you hit a barn door from 600 yards

M16..... a good shot can hit a barn from 600 yards

AK 47 .....you hit most walls from inside the barn

[Swoop]

An SKS is a useless gun for nz conditions. It is made for warfare only IMO.

It is blimmin' superb on goats!

In fact, in the bush it it blimmin' superb. Nothing more than 100m, rugged, reliable.
Also quite handy when you need to descend scree and require a wooden "stick" so slow the descent a bit.

Fucking good guns.

[oldrider]

It is blimmin' superb on goats!

In fact, in the bush it it blimmin' superb. Nothing more than 100m, rugged, reliable.
Also quite handy when you need to descend scree and require a wooden "stick" so slow the descent a bit.

Fucking good guns.

Any gun is only as good as the cunt pointing it! :blip:

[seattle smitty]

As an American I feel compelled to say first that we know better than you that we have a bunch of problems, chronic problems, to deal with, but that we get a little tired of being told how ignorant and uncivilized we are by others with their own problems. The Economist, otherwise usually the best of the remaining news and opinion magazines, can hardly publish an issue without an article advising us of how retarded we are for retaining the death penalty. FWIW, many of us feel that our methods of execution are if anything too humane for someone who rapes and murders a child, and that any truly civilized country should have a death penalty as an instrument of ordinary societal hygiene in such cases.

But I've digressed from THIS weeks' America-bashing, over the supposed "executions by cop." The one in Minnesota looks like a tragic misunderstanding by the cop, who appears to have been too quick on the trigger. More information is needed. But in the cop's defense, since many have already decided that he was all too ready to blow away a black man, consider this. First, any cop very likely has a family for which he is the main or sole provider, and if it comes to a choice between his life and that of a suspect who appears to be drawing a deadly weapon, protecting HIS (the cop's) family's interest comes first. In THIS instance, as we have it so far, the cop saw someone who looked as if he might have been the perp in a felony, and decided to pull him over and have a talk with him. In calling in the stop, and radioing DMV with the license plate, the DMV reported back that Philandro Castile had no criminal record but had an astoundingly long list of driving violations including driving with a suspended license more than once, driving under the influence (while carrying a child), driving without insurance, and on and on. This would certainly indicate that the cop was going to be pulling over a guy who to say the least was something of a flake, a man with an attitude, not an ordinary motorist. And remember, the cop already thought he might be pulling over a person who had just commited a felony, a desperate man.
.
What exact moves were made by Castile as the cop tensely looked in the window, we do not know. As I say, for now it appears like the cop tragically misunderstood Castile's intent. But for someone who appears to have been a good guy in other parts of his life, Castile certainly had a long record of lousy judgement when he got into an automobile. It is not unreasonable to guess that he wasn't too smart about keeping both hands in sight, communicating clearly and making any moves slowly in front of a cop. Anyone with any brains knows to do this, to reassure a cop who can't know exactly what he is dealing with when he comes up to your door. Like Castile, I recently got stopped for a burned-out brake light (though in his case this was a pretext for the cop). I kept both hands in sight while explaining that I was going to reach, slowly, for my registration/insurance/I.D.. My guess was that Castile didn't do it this way. Damned shame. He didn't need to die. But I'm not ready to condemn the cop without knowing more.

[TheDemonLord]

As an American I feel compelled to say first that we know better than you that we have a bunch of problems, chronic problems, to deal with, but that we get a little tired of being told how ignorant and uncivilized we are by others with their own problems.

It's not the fact that you have problems that the rest of the world criticizes you for, it's the fact that you do nothing about them.

[jasonu]

As an American I feel compelled to say first that we know better than you that we have a bunch of problems, chronic problems, to deal with, but that we get a little tired of being told how ignorant and uncivilized we are by others with their own problems. The Economist, otherwise usually the best of the remaining news and opinion magazines, can hardly publish an issue without an article advising us of how retarded we are for retaining the death penalty. FWIW, many of us feel that our methods of execution are if anything too humane for someone who rapes and murders a child, and that any truly civilized country should have a death penalty as an instrument of ordinary societal hygiene in such cases.

But I've digressed from THIS weeks' America-bashing, over the supposed "executions by cop." The one in Minnesota looks like a tragic misunderstanding by the cop, who appears to have been too quick on the trigger. More information is needed. But in the cop's defense, since many have already decided that he was all too ready to blow away a black man, consider this. First, any cop very likely has a family for which he is the main or sole provider, and if it comes to a choice between his life and that of a suspect who appears to be drawing a deadly weapon, protecting HIS (the cop's) family's interest comes first. In THIS instance, as we have it so far, the cop saw someone who looked as if he might have been the perp in a felony, and decided to pull him over and have a talk with him. In calling in the stop, and radioing DMV with the license plate, the DMV reported back that Philandro Castile had no criminal record but had an astoundingly long list of driving violations including driving with a suspended license more than once, driving under the influence (while carrying a child), driving without insurance, and on and on. This would certainly indicate that the cop was going to be pulling over a guy who to say the least was something of a flake, a man with an attitude, not an ordinary motorist. And remember, the cop already thought he might be pulling over a person who had just commited a felony, a desperate man.
.
What exact moves were made by Castile as the cop tensely looked in the window, we do not know. As I say, for now it appears like the cop tragically misunderstood Castile's intent. But for someone who appears to have been a good guy in other parts of his life, Castile certainly had a long record of lousy judgement when he got into an automobile. It is not unreasonable to guess that he wasn't too smart about keeping both hands in sight, communicating clearly and making any moves slowly in front of a cop. Anyone with any brains knows to do this, to reassure a cop who can't know exactly what he is dealing with when he comes up to your door. Like Castile, I recently got stopped for a burned-out brake light (though in his case this was a pretext for the cop). I kept both hands in sight while explaining that I was going to reach, slowly, for my registration/insurance/I.D.. My guess was that Castile didn't do it this way. Damned shame. He didn't need to die. But I'm not ready to condemn the cop without knowing more.

Mate remember you are talking to a fair amount of been nowhere done nothing 'law enforcement experts' that cherry pick their information from dubious at best internet sources.

[pritch]

One clown said police shouldn't be issued with guns, they should instead be issued with nets to throw over the criminals .



Well it worked for Spiderman. :whistle:

[bogan]

since many have already decided that he was all too ready to blow away a black man

Is it not self evident that he did exactly that?

[yokel]

Mate remember you are talking to a fair amount of been nowhere done nothing 'law enforcement experts' that cherry pick their information from dubious at best internet sources.

Please excuse the brainwashed propagandised KB muppets.

They know not what they do.

I don't like cops much as most people, but this BLM media hype is complete bullshit.

More crazy shit is to come form this political terrorist group financed by the likes of George Soros and friend's.


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The new "BLM" disorder

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[Brian d marge]

There were another four policemen shot in baton rogue yesterday.. and then France ... the boys are working overtime turkeys had a go at martial law ... one wonders if uncle George and zbiggie styles are have a final fling ...

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[Virago]

As an American I feel compelled to say first that we know better than you that we have a bunch of problems, chronic problems, to deal with, but that we get a little tired of being told how ignorant and uncivilized we are by others with their own problems...

Point taken - people should make sure their own back yard is tidy first.

Sometimes though, America sets itself up for ridicule. For example, it has emerged that on the eve of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, the public are not allowed to carry water pistols (in case they squirt a delegate). Fruit is also banned. But - they can carry firearms, including assault rifles.

Sorry mate, your country is fucked.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, can hardly publish an issue without an article advising us of how retarded we are for retaining the death penalty. FWIW, many of us feel that our methods of execution are if anything too humane for someone who rapes and murders a child, and that any truly civilized country should have a death penalty as an instrument of ordinary societal hygiene in such cases.
.

Here in lil old *We don't believe in the death penalty* NZ, we've had a couple of rapist/murderers exonerated. With your system, be a bit hard to shake their hands on the way out I guess. What are your thoughts on that?

[Brian d marge]

Americans as a whole I find ..usually very pleasant,polite people even the loud ones
They have tried ,off top of head and because I can't be arsed checking, they have tried 5 times to get rid of the venician, British scum
Lincoln , McKinley, Garfield? And a revolution or two ...oh and Kennedy , a different bloodline and a great speech in 1961 ended his career.
Unfortunately money talks and bullshyt walks and the game is rigged.
So ,all over the world , the average person is becoming dumber than a sack of potatoes, no knowledge of how the game is being played. Has his or her arse being stressed by work and the need to work, and of course consumerism
So add that all together add a gun or to, a scapegoat,or a perceived problem,cause and we have ignition

Which is what the big boys want , because then they can institute martial law

How's turkey, France , Thailand? Doing ?

She's all going to plan ... all they need now is a trigger and she's all on , me thinks

https://youtu.be/61ass15qBq4

Ho boy the future looks bright for humanity




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[Woodman]

Americans as a whole I find ..usually very pleasant,polite people even the loud ones
They have tried ,off top of head and because I can't be arsed checking, they have tried 5 times to get rid of the venician, British scum
Lincoln , McKinley, Garfield? And a revolution or two ...oh and Kennedy , a different bloodline and a great speech in 1961 ended his career.
Unfortunately money talks and bullshyt walks and the game is rigged.
So ,all over the world , the average person is becoming dumber than a sack of potatoes, no knowledge of how the game is being played. Has his or her arse being stressed by work and the need to work, and of course consumerism
So add that all together add a gun or to, a scapegoat,or a perceived problem,cause and we have ignition

Which is what the big boys want , because then they can institute martial law

How's turkey, France , Thailand? Doing ?

She's all going to plan ... all they need now is a trigger and she's all on , me thinks

https://youtu.be/61ass15qBq4

Ho boy the future looks bright for humanity




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Why do they want martial law?

[Akzle]

Here in lil old *We don't believe in the death penalty* NZ, we've had a couple of rapist/murderers exonerated. With your system, be a bit hard to shake their hands on the way out I guess. What are your thoughts on that?

if the system was infallible, i would support the IRL banhammer. "Social hygiene" is a great phrase. Once someone has crossed over to, say, beating a child to death, stabbing a woman 50 times, molesting children, they IMO, void their right to life.
(i go one further and propose if they're involved in banking or politics they're also suitable for target practice)

this voting pilarva is topsy turvy. instead of voting anyone in, we should be able to vote them out. (permanently:ar15:)

...knowing who runs the circus and how, and who participates :sick: no sentence is appropriate

[bogan]

Why do they want martial law?

They saw some Bruce Lee movies, and thought that looks cool? :scratch:

[TheDemonLord]

They saw some Bruce Lee movies, and thought that looks cool? :scratch:

Nah - Martial Law was from Tekken.

[Paul in NZ]

Why do they want martial law?

Softer option than Hilary or Donald...

[Big Dog]

Why do they want martial law?
Because it is less constricting than marital law. :innocent:

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[Brian d marge]

Why do they want martial law? Psychopaths will settle at nothing but total control.

i dont get upset about most things , but I was watching a video on u tube , interview with a psychopath, some sort of clinical training class study thing . I couldnt watch it , I would have shot the fker, He planned well in advance to meet a woman , have a child ( girl) ...you can guess the rest , but he was getting off on the total control .. big time.

9/11 , wouldnt have even raised an eyebrow. Capt Jollies big day out ....

im sure you dont want the link posted .

[Katman]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air

Interesting read - some good comments made by the people quoted in it.


I understand when an officer fears for his life and he needs to shoot someone. But you got to wait to see if he has a weapon. All he had was a toy truck. Officers are supposed to be trained to know the difference between a toy and a gun.

and


But black folks and Latino folks also carry some assumptions. You may see a police officer who’s doing everything right, and you already assumed the worst rather than the best in him, and we have to guard against that as well.

at a pure guess, it might be that the officer had his rifle set on 3 round burst and accidentally discharged his weapon (not sure if they use rifles with 3 round burst or semi-auto only) - but even if that is the case, that is extremely poor behavior - to the point where I'd consider it criminal negligence.

[Katman]

at a pure guess....

You seem to do that a lot.

[yokel]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air

Well seen as the cop was a Latino its not such the outrage.

Looks like the cop fucked up, perhaps a bit like how dear hunters shoot their mates.
Brain playing tricks, seeing shit out of shapes and shadows.

[TheDemonLord]

Well seen as the cop was a Latino its not such the outrage.

Looks like the cop fucked up, perhaps a bit like how dear hunters shoot their mates.
Brain playing tricks, seeing shit out of shapes and shadows.

Assume for the moment that this was what happened - I'm sorry but Cops who are expected to use Lethal force should be trained to a higher standard.

[awa355]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air

This doesn't make the police look very good either, from the same Guardian edition.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/16/police-black-mens-mugshots-target-practice

Sorry, I see this article is over a year old. Things have probably moved on since,, :no: