First of the "three strikes" warnings for violent offenders given...

[PrincessBandit]

WTF?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86004956/munesh-kumar-jailed-for-prolonged-assault-on-woman

Kumar pleaded guilty to aggravated burglary, intentionally causing grievous bodily harm, threatening to kill, assault with a weapon, assaulting a woman, and intimidation.

Judge Paul Kellar suppressed the victim's name and read Kumar the first of the three strike warnings for violent offenders.

The judge said the unprovoked attack was prolonged, painful, and extremely frightening, and the victim suffered long term emotional effects.

It was premeditated offending, and Kumar had planned for her to suffer a prolonged torture.

He said Kumar's ingrained views from his upbringing led to the offending.

So does he get another "go" before getting his third strike? What unfortunate victim has to be his second or third before ...well, before what? Can anyone explain what the consequences are if you're only a "first or second strike" offender of shit like this?

[Akzle]

worry not, fair maiden. the bus tickets are being moistened even as we speak.

[jasonu]

What the fuck does he have to do to earn the next 2 strikes?

[Banditbandit]

he got 10 years in prison, within a non-parole period of five years,

The thrre strikes rule means if he offends again - after he gets out - then the next sentence will be harsher ..

hardly "another go" ... he'll be inside for at least five years - and probably longer ...

[Voltaire]

worry not, fair maiden. the bus tickets are being moistened even as we speak.

Slapped with an AT Hop card doesn't sound quite the same.:innocent:

[Hemi Makutu]

Slapped with an AT Hop card doesn't sound quite the same.:innocent:

Likely, it was a close family member he dealt to - on a 'cultural honour' basis, since he didn't rape her..

Any short time will be predicated on expressed 'remorse' & undertakings not to re-offend..

& is that convict who attacked the female District Court Judge - with a machete - out yet?

[BuzzardNZ]

Deport the cunt.

[Moi]

Deport the cunt.

I tend to think along these lines as well...

does jail time then has his residency or nationalisation revoked...

[pritch]

Deport the cunt.

Agreed. And it does happen sometimes. Somebody gets a perk flight to Bangaladesh or wherever as escort. If there is anyone on earth who actually thinks a flight to Bangladesh is a perk? :whistle:

[awa355]

I may be wrong, (although I've been a KB'r for some time), but Wasn't that law changed a while back to mean that an offender has to be found guilty of the SAME offence 3 times for the 3 strikes crap to apply?.

[FJRider]

You can read about it here ...


http://sst.org.nz/our-aims/sst-three-strikes-policy/

An "Interesting" comment in Stuff.co.nz ...


Stuff.co.nz understands at least two people have been eligible for third strikes, but judges decided serving a maximum sentence without parole would be manifestly unjust.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69006542/threestrikes-law-changes-unlikely-after-five-years


Labour Party justice spokesperson Jacinda Ardern said she did not accept figures showed the bill worked, and that more specific research should be done.

Labour wanted the law gone, as it took away judges' power to look at the circumstances around an offence, with the party wanting to put more focus on helping offenders turn away from crime, she said.

More emphasis on programmes for young offenders and prisoners was a way that could be done.

"You have got to change people's desire to offend in the first place, or their circumstances," Ardern said.

[mashman]

Bullet....

[WristTwister]

"Nationally, 5378 first strikes and 76 second strikes have been given"

That looks like it's working. We already have a stressed justice system and anything that keeps offending (and reoffending) down has some social benefit.

[mossy1200]

"Nationally, 5378 first strikes and 76 second strikes have been given"

That looks like it's working. We already have a stressed justice system and anything that keeps offending (and reoffending) down has some social benefit.

5302 are still awaiting release from strike one.

[Akzle]

"Nationally, 5378 first strikes and 76 second strikes have been given"

That looks like it's working. We already have a stressed justice system and anything that keeps offending (and reoffending) down has some social benefit.

what fucking planet are you from

[Banditbandit]

Deport the cunt.


He could just as easily have been born here .. if so he's a New Zealander - and our problem ..

[FJRider]

He could just as easily have been born here .. if so he's a New Zealander - and our problem ..

And with criminal convictions ... the countries he would be allowed into ... would be very limited.

[Moi]

He could just as easily have been born here .. if so he's a New Zealander - and our problem ..

Agree... however if he's here on a visa, residency permit or citizenship...

[Hemi Makutu]

Agree... however if he's here on a visa, residency permit or citizenship...


1, He's unlikely to be so 'culturally compelled' if he was born here, or in Fiji..

2, Have the citizenship laws changed?
I recall that the woman who murdered Doug Gardner (& ironically buried him in their garden),
was English by birth, but having taken up NZ citizenship, she could not be deported back to Pomgolia,
- after serving her sentence.

Other countries would ( & do) strip such serious convicts of acquired citizenship, & deport them.

[jasonu]

Other countries would ( & do) strip such serious convicts of acquired citizenship, & deport them.

America will take your citizenship if you get pinged fibbing on your paperwork. Otherwise it is off to jail you go just like any other citizen.

[Hemi Makutu]

America will take your citizenship if you get pinged fibbing on your paperwork. Otherwise it is off to jail you go just like any other citizen.


Yeah, & when you think you are due for release for time served, its off to a deportation detention centre..

I wonder if Barry will presidentially pardon Hilary in advance - before his time in office is done..

[jasonu]

Yeah, & when you think you are due for release for time served, its off to a deportation detention centre..

..
Nope, re read what I posted.

[Hemi Makutu]

Nope, re read what I posted.


Yep.. some old school Nazis were stripped of their US citizenship, & sent back to Europe/Israel..
Whereas moon rocket man Dr von Braun, despite being an SS officer with a 'dirty' history, kept
his, & got a presidential citation to ( jack) boot, even in the face of Jewish-lobby pressure..

That's why I wrote "political/diplomatic" - same applies to the Saudis flown out straight after 9/11,
when no 'civilian' flights were permitted, & yet they were not even interviewed by the FBI, either...

[BuzzardNZ]

Yep.. some old school Nazis were stripped of their US citizenship, & sent back to Europe/Israel..
Whereas moon rocket man Dr von Braun, despite being an SS officer with a 'dirty' history, kept
his, & got a presidential citation to ( jack) boot, even in the face of Jewish-lobby pressure..



Without Wernher, the yanks would never have made it to the moon!

Personally, I think they should have used jews instead of perfectly good monkeys and dogs when testing the early ( pre gemini ) space rockets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

[Woodman]

Oh goody, nazis and 9/11 in the same thread.:brick::brick:

Hi ho hi ho its off to pd we go.

[Laava]

Speaking of three strikes, when Semi Fatpuku gets banned from KB for the second time, will he be banned for longer?

[Hemi Makutu]

Without Wernher, the yanks would never have made it to the moon!

Personally, I think they should have used jews instead of perfectly good monkeys and dogs when testing the early ( pre gemini ) space rockets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip


Indeed, 'tis said/heard tell' that Israeli agents secretly poisoned him with carcinogenic compounds since the US wouldn't give him up..

[Woodman]

Speaking of three strikes, when Semi Fatpuku gets banned from KB for the second time, will he be banned for longer?

Doubt it, the mods are spineless, and to be honest Jaw has reigned in his fuckwittery quite substantially.

[Hemi Makutu]

Doubt it, the mods are spineless, and to be honest Jaw has reigned in his fuckwittery quite substantially.

This 'legendary J.A.W.' - to whom you refer, seems to have rained blows freely upon you 'dead horses'..L.O.L...

[Woodman]

This 'legendary J.A.W.' - to whom you refer, seems to have rained blows freely upon you 'dead horses'..L.O.L...

True, you wouldn't believe how fuckwitted he was, in fact I am certain it drove some away for good.

[Hemi Makutu]

True, you wouldn't believe how fuckwitted he was, in fact I am certain it drove some away for food ( popcorn).


"drove" them away, like the needful floggin' of rat flea infested pariah dog huas eh, joker..

[Woodman]

"drove" them away, like the needful floggin' of rat flea infested pariah dog huas eh, joker..

Case in point..........:first:

[Hemi Makutu]

Doubt it, the mods are spineless...

I'm guessing that the 'bag the mods' routine - leading to the thread being despatched to the 'forbidden zone' - hadn't occurred to you?

[Woodman]

I'm guessing that the 'bag the mods' routine - leading to the thread being despatched to the 'forbidden zone' - hadn't occurred to you?

No fucking kidding genius............

[Laava]

'legendary J.A.W.' ..

You spelt retarded wrong cunty...
You have done well tho in not parrotting your old catchphrase "too funny"
"There,s a full moon on the rise"
Will wait to see you lose the plot publicly, again...

[Hemi Makutu]

You spelt retarded wrong cunty...
You have done well tho in not parrotting your old catchphrase "too funny"
"There,s a full moon on the rise"
Will wait to see you lose the plot publicly, again...

"Every body funny, now you funny too" - as George T... put it.. seemingly apropos of you, ratty whats-it..

As for Woodboy, your good buddy - his not getting 'sarcasm' - well, sure - that is "too funny".. L.O.L...

[Woodman]

"Every body funny, now you funny too" - as George T... put it.. seemingly apropos of you, ratty whats-it..

As for Woodboy, your good buddy - his not getting 'sarcasm' - well, sure - that is "too funny".. L.O.L...

I get sarcasm on a whole better level than you butthead.

[Hemi Makutu]

I should bloody well 'ope so - its your veritable birthright - as a whinging bleedin' Pom - init..

[SNF]

Should just ship the useless bood back to fucking curry country

[Hemi Makutu]

Curry powder would likely be on the banned list of visitor provided items too..

[R650R]

Obviously doesn't count for offences before the law was brought in...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/89886071/road-rage-attacker-ordered-to-pay-victims-dental-bill

Pretty unreal, two previous convictions for assault and only gets 150hrs community service plus $1250 fine......

[jasonu]

Obviously doesn't count for offences before the law was brought in...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/89886071/road-rage-attacker-ordered-to-pay-victims-dental-bill

Pretty unreal, two previous convictions for assault and only gets 150hrs community service plus $1250 fine......

You run the risk of getting a pistol stuffed in your face (or worse) if you do shit like that around here. Quite right too.

[Akzle]

Obviously doesn't count for offences before the law was brought in...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/89886071/road-rage-attacker-ordered-to-pay-victims-dental-bill

Pretty unreal, two previous convictions for assault and only gets 150hrs community service plus $1250 fine......

not a fine, thank christ. reparation.

150 hours (while not hard labour) is still a months worth of work... for someone gainfully employed that would be a huge pita.


but still. vote akzle. the guy driving poorly would have been shot previously, so this would never have happened.

[R650R]

Not quite a three strikes but looks like this chap got this months special deal on concurrent sentencing (doesn't say but I assume).....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11810673

"....jailed him for two years, 11 months and disqualified him from driving for three years.


He pleaded guilty to six charges of reckless use causing injury - an offence punishable by up to five years imprisonment.

Also covered by the sentence were unrelated offences, many while on bail, of assault, escaping custody, threatening behaviour and twice failing to attend court.

But the crash was "without doubt" the most serious, Judge Cathcart said."

[Banditbandit]

Not quite a three strikes but looks like this chap got this months special deal on concurrent sentencing (doesn't say but I assume).....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11810673

"....jailed him for two years, 11 months and disqualified him from driving for three years.


He pleaded guilty to six charges of reckless use causing injury - an offence punishable by up to five years imprisonment.

Also covered by the sentence were unrelated offences, many while on bail, of assault, escaping custody, threatening behaviour and twice failing to attend court.

But the crash was "without doubt" the most serious, Judge Cathcart said."

That's shocking - if he's a good boy inside (unlikely) the cunt will be out in a year ... nowhere near long enough