Personal attacks and use of Personal Information.

[onearmedbandit]

For a while now the moderators of the site have backed off in regards to personal attacks on other members, KiwiBiker has never really been about heavy handed tactics from the Mod team. However recently it has become apparent to anyone using the forum that this approach is not working. There are several members here who don't seem to understand that this forum is not just here for them but for all users, both new and old. People are getting tired of threads being derailed by certain members issues with other users and turning into a pathetic shit fight of name calling and accusations.

You have four choices if you have an issue with any other member here:

1/ Ignore them. Use the ignore function if you can't ignore them yourself.
2/ Report their post to a moderator (but be prepared for an infraction for wasting Mod's time if your complaint has no substance).
3/ Respond to them in an appropriate manner regarding the topic being discussed in the thread.
4/ Man up and talk to them face-to-face instead of behind the safety of your computer screen.

If however, you choose to engage in personal attacks online then you will be infracted. Keep it up and forum privileges will be removed as a result of incurred infraction points. Keep it up and eventually you'll find yourself unable to log in. Sorry, that's not our problem. KiwiBiker is here for all to use, but not if you are going to use it to attack other members online. Our hand has been forced and we will come down hard on any abuse. We do not view every post on the forum (we have our own lives to live) so if you see any abuse then use the 'Report Post' button. If you don't like our tactics, then you'll find the 'Log Out' button in the top right of your browser.

There are a group of users here that need to take special notice of this post, Madness, Katman, Husaberg, Akzle to name just a few. You and the others have a lot of great input into the forum but you stand out to us and other members as instigators of a lot of the abuse. Take note and sort it out. This also applies to the use of the "Rep System'. You can use it to vote up or vote down someones rep but it is not to be used for abuse.

Two more issues are posting of private messages or rep comments. This is banned (and always has been) unless you have permission from the other party. Otherwise be prepared to be infracted. The second issue is posting of personal information. We feel the use of a first name is fine. However we draw a line at the use of surnames and most definitely phone numbers, places of employment or residence. If you post up any personal info like this your post will be edited and you will receive an infraction.

Get the idea? This site has had its ups and downs, has created many great friendships, helped people with many questions regarding all facets of motorcycles. There's some great humour, a wealth of experience to be shared and some plain old good banter. But the excessive amounts of abusive crap posted is ruining it for many.




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[Maha]

Why have the Moderators ceased using the Sin Bin option? Thought about getting rid of the rep system? KB is probably the only website using such a function...and for what purpose? A couple of those members mentioned actually believe it has a special powers.

Infractions are seriously pathetic and any Mod issuing one from time to time is also seriously pathetic..they (infractions) do absolutely nothing.

''Two more issues are posting of private messages or rep comments. This is banned (and always has been) unless you have permission from the other party. Otherwise be prepared to be infracted. The second issue is posting of personal information. We feel the use of a first name is fine. However we draw a line at the use of surnames and most definitely phone numbers, places of employment or residence. If you post up any personal info like this your post will be edited and you will receive an infraction.''

:Pokey: haha go Fraser :laugh:

[nodrog]

Dick.
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[buggerit]

Amen, hope this revives the site, miss Hitchers reviews and meanderings.Plenty of others dropped off the radar.

[onearmedbandit]

Why have the Moderators ceased using the Sin Bin option?

Can't answer that one myself, another Mod may be able to.


Thought about getting rid of the rep system? KB is probably the only website using such a function...and for what purpose? A couple of those members mentioned actually believe it has a special powers.

There's no reason to get rid of rep, don't like it, don't use it. But like anything it's open to being abused. For what purpose do we have it? I'm guessing it came with the software, and some people like to still use it. Think of it as a 'Like' 'Unlike' option. If some believe it actually has special powers, I've tried using it in everything from getting discount petrol to a defense in court. Without success.


Infractions are seriously pathetic and any Mod issuing one from time to time is also seriously pathetic..they (infractions) do absolutely nothing.

If that's how they are viewed then maybe we should make it have more of an effect. 3 strikes and you're out? And we don't like handing them out, the mod's are not here because we enjoy 'pinging' people, we're here because we like motorcycles and TPTB asked if we would like to help manage KB so it can be enjoyed and used by all.



:Pokey: haha go Fraser :laugh:

Thanks. BTW sorry if you felt offended that I had left your name off of the list, I'd totally forgotten about you.


Dick.
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NO, Fraser. Dick is my uncle, but he prefers to be called Richard these days.



Amen, hope this revives the site, miss Hitchers reviews and meanderings.Plenty of others dropped off the radar.

Thanks. I for one was getting sick of new members being harassed, and worthy established contributors walking away because a few want to ruin things.

[Gremlin]

Why have the Moderators ceased using the Sin Bin option?
That option isn't available to all mods on a regular daily basis. We only have access to infractions, but can give a single infraction which will ban you from the forum (basically used for spammers), so it's infractions which slowly remove priviledges, or outright permanent ban.

[Mike.Gayner]

The moderation of this site is pathetically poor.

[Maha]

Thanks. BTW sorry if you felt offended that I had left your name off of the list, I'd totally forgotten about you.


If you're directing this at four members in particular, why even start a thread about it? why not just pm all four with the concerns?

[AllanB]

Fair call.

Support it.

Bitchy we can get.


I like the rep system - never bother with red - figure if it pissed me off just move on or turn the computer off. Green is good - there are some fucking classic comments made on KB:niceone:

[bogan]

If you're directing this at four members in particular, why even start a thread about it? why not just pm all four with the concerns?

We, of all people, should realise while those four may be the primary instigators, they're not the only contributors to the problem.

[PrincessBandit]

We, of all people, should realise while those four may be the primary instigators, they're not the only contributors to the problem.

Indeed. For those whose kneejerk reaction is to bitch about it feel free to piss off. Shut the door on ya way out with a "I'm leaving" waaaaah session.

Said in the most caring and sharing way of course :bleh:

[merv]

I'm quite happy with light touch moderation. Don't spoil the site by getting too hard.

[Akzle]

whatthefuckcunt

[BuzzardNZ]

I'm quite happy with light touch moderation. Don't spoil the site by getting too hard.

+1 Same here.

[Akzle]

..

just stab some holes in it with a No.2 philips.



but srsly. which wanker's baaaawwwwww set all this off? i bet i could guess.


personally, i wont stand for internet faggotory. and you should make me a mawd. for the lulz.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm quite happy with light touch moderation. Don't spoil the site by getting too hard.

seconded. I hate a lot of american sites where you can't fucking swear and call someone a cunt if they're being a cunt.

[HenryDorsetCase]

getting too hard.

also, obligatory: that's what SHE said

[Madness]

Our hand has been forced.

. :shutup:

[Maha]

We, of all people, should realise while those four may be the primary instigators, they're not the only contributors to the problem.


Indeed. For those whose kneejerk reaction is to bitch about it feel free to piss off. Shut the door on ya way out with a "I'm leaving" waaaaah session.

Said in the most caring and sharing way of course :bleh:

If anyone has a problem with someone, they are advised to pm them about it not rant on the open forum.

[onearmedbandit]

If you're directing this at four members in particular, why even start a thread about it? why not just pm all four with the concerns?

As it was stated in the OP the four names mentioned are just a few of the members that need reminding of the basics.


The moderation of this site is pathetically poor.

We deal with a lot behind the scenes that no one really sees, but yes we had been too forgiving of some issues.


I'm quite happy with light touch moderation. Don't spoil the site by getting too hard.


+1 Same here.


seconded. I hate a lot of american sites where you can't fucking swear and call someone a cunt if they're being a cunt.

It's not going to be any heavier than ensuring basic rules are followed. I don't need to quote any of the posts we all know are excessive and have caused this action.



just stab some holes in it with a No.2 philips.



but srsly. which wanker's baaaawwwwww set all this off? i bet i could guess.


personally, i wont stand for internet faggotory. and you should make me a mawd. for the lulz.

We're closely considering your application. Stay tuned.




. :shutup:

Oh you'll keep...

[Akzle]

We deal with a lot behind the scenes that no one really sees, but yes we had been too forgiving of some issues.
and i, for one, knowing what that shit's like, appreciate the fuck out of that shit.
christ knows any poor cunt that has to put up with my schitzo druggo shit deserves a beer for that alone.

only. i would ddos spamlords, and bawww to their isps, and generally make their IRL a whole lot less lulz. because WWJD.



We're closely considering your application. Stay tuned.
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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/095/200/do_it_faggot.jpg?1318992465

[nzspokes]

seconded. I hate a lot of american sites where you can't fucking swear and call someone a cunt if they're being a cunt.

But in saying that, they talk about motorcycles. Normally a specific model that the site is about. Not about who thinks they can sing or they want to get fucked up on weed but bikes. And you can learn or pass on some information.




cunt.

[Akzle]

But in saying that, they talk about motorcycles. Normally a specific model that the site is about. Not about who thinks they can sing or they want to get fucked up on weed but bikes. And you can learn or pass on some information.




cunt.


Kiwi Biker is not a site about
motorcycles, but is a site for motorcyclists, and what
ever they want to talk about

as per, the fucken rulez.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/entry.php/592-What-is-Kiwi-Biker

[Katman]

Perhaps the moderators should have a closer look at the personal attacks thrown the way of cassina.

But that probably won't ever happen because some of the moderators are as guilty as anyone else who can't bring themselves to ignore her.

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[onearmedbandit]

Surprise surprise, some of you just don't get it do you. Too fucking hard. So I've sent a bunch of posts off to PD and stayed true and handed out an infraction. And I'll keep doing it, as will the other mod's until such time that the problem is forced away or people can start exercising self control.

[onearmedbandit]

Perhaps the moderators should have a closer look at the personal attacks thrown the way of cassina.

But that probably won't ever happen because some of the moderators are as guilty as anyone else who can't bring themselves to ignore her.

I just love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

If you have a legitimate complaint in the way any of the moderators are behaving then report their posts to MT to be assessed. It's very simple.

[Madness]

If you have a legitimate complaint in the way any of the moderators are behaving then report their posts to MT to be assessed. It's very simple.

How do you do that, by PM?

[Katman]

If you have a legitimate complaint in the way any of the moderators are behaving then report their posts to MT to be assessed. It's very simple.

I don't bother complaining about that sort of shit. (Bogan probably has you run off your feet already).

I just like pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.

[onearmedbandit]

How do you do that, by PM?

I'd guess so. And if he has his PM's turned off approach another Mod asking for it to be dealt with.



I don't bother complaining about that sort of shit.

I just like pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.

Certainly looks like you're complaining.

[Katman]

Certainly looks like you're complaining.

Nah, I'm treating the whole thing as the fucking joke that it is.

[onearmedbandit]

Nah, I'm treating the whole thing as the fucking joke that it is.

Not much of a joke to be honest. The forums are not here for abusing other members. Personal attacks are not on and will be dealt with.

[Doppleganger]

Perhaps the moderators should have a closer look at the personal attacks thrown the way of cassina.

I think you and cassina are the same person, your both eggs and never have been seen in the same room at the same time, neither of you/yourself make any sense and rely solely on abuse, derision, disrespect and unfounded logic (correction the logic prob exists in your world)


Nah, I'm treating the whole thing as the fucking joke that it is.

I think you'll find the joke is you, the reality being that's how I see everyone on here treats your comments.

[Katman]

Personal attacks are not on and will be dealt with.

Only when it suits though, aye?

[Maha]

I think you'll find the joke is you, the reality being that's how I see everyone on here treats your comments.

I certainly do, every now and then he asks of me ''have you grown a pair yet''? I have asked of him ''what that relates too and what ever does that mean''? to no avail. I guess it is nothing and it's him just flexing his internet manhood.

[onearmedbandit]

Only when it suits though, aye?

Nope, not at all. The people who make up the mod team are not perfect so we will miss things etc. We can't be expected to read every post. If you see something you don't like then either report it or ignore it. So simple really.

[awayatc]

We all take things to seriously some times....

Some however seem to do it all the time...

We don't matter as much as we think we do

[Katman]

Nope, not at all. The people who make up the mod team are not perfect so we will miss things etc. We can't be expected to read every post. If you see something you don't like then either report it or ignore it. So simple really.

Well see, I might buy that Fraser if I really thought you weren't aware of the scale of personal attacks that have been directed at cassina.

But you've done your own bit of attacking in those threads (along with a few of the other moderators) so if you're trying to suggest that your unaware of it then you're only fooling yourself.

[Katman]

And it's been that way for as long as I can remember.

Every now and again someone comes along who the KB pack decides to tear to pieces.

And if you moderators aren't actively taking part then you're sitting back laughing and allowing it to happen.

[onearmedbandit]

Well see, I might buy that Fraser if I really thought you weren't aware of the scale of personal attacks that have been directed at cassina.

But you've done your own bit of attacking in those threads (along with a few of the other moderators) so if you're trying to suggest that your unaware of it then you're only fooling yourself.

As far as I can recall I haven't gone into an out and out abusive tirade against her. I've disagreed with what she has said, ridiculed some of the things she's said yes. However I am human, and like all humans I'm not perfect and maybe you can provide evidence of me attacking her in an unwarranted manner. Hey at the end of the day we're all hypocrites. All of us.


And it's been that way for as long as I can remember.

Every now and again someone comes along who the KB pack decides to tear to pieces.

And if you moderators aren't actively taking part then you're sitting back laughing and allowing it to happen.

Not denying that it hasn't. And the mod team have been remiss in they way this has been handled. But I felt it was about time that we started dealing with this issue, and the rest of the Mod's including MT agreed. Either you want to help us with this or just keep dragging up past events and trying to throw as many spanners into the works that you can. What do you want to do?

We're not trying to sanitize the forums, people will disagree, call one another an 'egg' or idiot. That's fine. But tracking down someones post just to abuse them is not on. Neither is going off full-bore in a tirade of abuse. It's almost like you don't want us to do this so you can have something to complain about. Otherwise I would've expected something from you like 'about time, lets hope that this is applied fairly across the forum, I look forward to seeing less bs here'.

[Maha]

It's almost like you don't want us to do this so you can have something to complain about. Otherwise I would've expected something from you like 'about time.

Translation: Some of those named in post #1 are perpetual complainers...like DangerousBastard use to be. The Mod team are sick of it and post this thread in an attempt to cure the issue.

[Katman]

Otherwise I would've expected something from you like 'about time, lets hope that this is applied fairly across the forum, I look forward to seeing less bs here'.

Shit being flung at me doesn't bother me at all. (Although it certainly seems to bother those that get it flung back).

But hey, like I said, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[Akzle]

http://www.cracked.com/article_24392_7-times-companies-destroyed-world-and-got-away-with-it.html



and what the fuck was wrong with this post, that you felt the need to link it in your bawww?

[onearmedbandit]

and what the fuck was wrong with this post, that you felt the need to link it in your bawww?

Hey dude, nothing wrong with that post at all, it was a blank quote to get you and the others to see this thread. Don't read anything else into it.

[onearmedbandit]

Shit being flung at me doesn't bother me at all. (Although it certainly seems to bother those that get it flung back).

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And this is what we are trying to clean up on the forums. It really is that simple.

[Paul in NZ]

And this is what we are trying to clean up on the forums. It really is that simple.

Good on you for trying...

The shit slinging of which you speak has been a major turn off and really isn't required...

[Katman]

And furthermore, if the moderators haven't managed to figure out that there's a group of members who wait expectantly for certain other members to start a thread, and then set about deliberately trying to derail that thread, then the moderators are naive in the extreme.

[onearmedbandit]

And furthermore, if the moderators haven't managed to figure out that there's a group of members who wait expectantly for certain other members to start a thread, and then set about deliberately trying to derail that thread, then the moderators are naive in the extreme.

Ah yeah that's exactly the sort of behaviour that has triggered this. Thanks for pointing it out however we are totally aware of this.

[Katman]

Ah yeah that's exactly the sort of behaviour that has triggered this. Thanks for pointing it out however we are totally aware of this.

I've been a member on here for almost 12 years and it's been happening the entire time.

Are your reflexes really that slow?

[onearmedbandit]

I've been a member on here for almost 12 years and it's been happening the entire time.

Are your reflexes really that slow?

Yes they are. But I think the medication is finally working because I feel a stirring in my soul.

[Maha]

I've been a member on here for almost 12 years

And you're not King yet? You should pen a letter of complaint.

[Akzle]

Don't read anything else

except i have quote notifications off. but OK.

[Akzle]

Yes they are. But I think the medication is finally working because I feel a stirring in my soul.

little blue pill? ... that's not your soul... or maybe...

[caspernz]

The softly softly approach to moderating only works with members who know how to behave as adults. Instead of agreeing to disagree on a discussion point, the personal attacks between a select few, and the way some new members and their questions are treated...well it's no wonder that I choose to spend less time on here. Looks like I'm not the only one :cool:

[Doppleganger]

I've been a member on here for almost 12 years and it's been happening the entire time.


:laugh::laugh::nya::nya::niceone: You said it buddy :weird::weird:

[Katman]

:laugh::laugh::nya::nya::niceone: You said it buddy :weird::weird:

Yeah, I know - that's why it's my name on the post you just quoted.

[Blackbird]

The softly softly approach to moderating only works with members who know how to behave as adults. Instead of agreeing to disagree on a discussion point, the personal attacks between a select few, and the way some new members and their questions are treated...well it's no wonder that I choose to spend less time on here. Looks like I'm not the only one :cool:

Absolutely! :niceone:

I suspect that quite a few long-standing members as well as newer ones just choose to say nothing and either not post much or leave altogether. There's enough of that infantile behaviour on TV or at kindy come to that. Looks pretty pathetic on a site supposedly dedicated to motorcycling.

[Gremlin]

Looks pretty pathetic on a site supposedly dedicated to motorcycling.
Actually, the site is for NZ Motorcyclists to chat, and not exclusively about motorcycles. Therein lies the balance between motorcycle related or relevant useful information, and pure dribble filling a server.

[Blackbird]

Actually, the site is for NZ Motorcyclists to chat, and not exclusively about motorcycles. Therein lies the balance between motorcycle related or relevant useful information, and pure dribble filling a server.

Touche! The key word being chat, not insulting or denigrating.

[Katman]

Considering those "personal attacks between a select few" usually occur in threads that would be lucky to have even 10 active participants, I think all the faux offence being displayed is quite laughable.

[Gremlin]

Considering those "personal attacks between a select few" usually occur in threads that would be lucky to have even 10 active participants, I think all the faux offence being displayed is quite laughable.
Well you just continue being grumpy and focus on the negatives. The thread has been created due to the issues and rules will be enforced. It's already been said that if you don't like it, you know where the door is.

[Katman]

Well you just continue being grumpy and focus on the negatives.

Perhaps it's more a case of me preferring to focus on important issues in the world rather than playing little association picture games and the like - IYKWIM.

[Akzle]

Well you just continue being grumpy and focus on the negatives. The thread has been created due to the issues and rules will be enforced. It's already been said that if you don't like it, you know where the door is.

where is the door?

[Gremlin]

Perhaps it's more a case of me preferring to focus on important issues in the world rather than playing little association picture games and the like - IYKWIM.
Sure, and what one person deems important is irrelevant to someone else and vice versa. The forum (and moderators) balance those priorities.


where is the door?
Clearly spelled out already. Protip, when you ask a moderator they show you the one way version :msn-wink:

[Katman]

Sure, and what one person deems important is irrelevant to someone else and vice versa.

Well if a subject is irrelevant to someone, why the fuck would they even bother going into the thread?

(Unless their name's bogan and they just like following me around).

[onearmedbandit]

Well if a subject is irrelevant to someone, why the fuck would they even bother going into the thread?

(Unless their name's bogan and they just like following me around).

You seem to be stuck on the idea that this was triggered by complaints. It wasn't, it was me bringing the issue up in the mod forum after noticing a perceived increase in bullshit on the forums. And it's not all about you, and it's also aimed at more people than just the four names I mentioned (and was backed up by the other mod's. I posted the OP in the moderators forum so that any changes could be made. One was, a grammatical error).

So you can lay the blame for this squarely at the feet of the Moderator team.

[Katman]

So you can lay the blame for this squarely at the feet of the Moderator team.

Ah durrr, where do you think I'm laying it?

[Akzle]

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Clearly spelled out already.

i see no door

[Madness]

You seem to be stuck on the idea that this was triggered by complaints. It wasn't, it was me bringing the issue up in the mod forum after noticing a perceived increase in bullshit on the forums..

I'd like to suggest that there's no more bullshit today than in the past, instead it's just that this place is so fucking dull these days that perhaps the bullshit is more apparent.

On that note, bring back WINJA!

[Katman]

On that note, bring back WINJA!

I don't think you're taking this as seriously as you're meant to be.

[Jin]

Two more issues are posting of private messages or rep comments. This is banned (and always has been) unless you have permission from the other party.
Akzle please confirm you are okay for me and others to post your PMs and rep comments. We can then have an official akzle rep comment thread.

[onearmedbandit]

Ah durrr, where do you think I'm laying it?

Oh goody, glad we're on the same page then...

And seeing that is the case, we can move on because this is the course of action we are taking.

[Katman]

I have no problem giving those muppets their own back though.

I think we're all expected to hold hands and sing kumbaya from now on.

(But you might still be allowed to call them eggs though).

[Akzle]

Akzle please confirm you are okay for me and others to post your PMs and rep comments. We can then have an official akzle rep comment thread.

start a baww thread and see. better people than you have tried, and been shot down as the baaaawwwwwing bitches they are. even by people that don't especially like me.

also moderately sure i've never PMd you.

(that's a no, you weeaboo)
i will, however, grant you permission to post your rep to me, if you feel like demonstrating your shining wit to the public.

[Madness]

I don't think you're taking this as seriously as you're meant to be.

I'm not.

I must say though, I'm actually quite proud to be associated with two of the three other members mentioned in the original post. The third is just an egg.

[Maha]

Question:
If I decide to no longer receive reputation, how is that done?

[onearmedbandit]

I think we're all expected to hold hands and sing kumbaya from now on.

(But you might still be allowed to call them eggs though).

Do you play guitar egg?


Question:
If I decide to no longer receive reputation, how is that done?

That's very simple, stop posting.

[Katman]

That's very simple, stop posting.

You're so polite.:sunny:

[Maha]

That's very simple, stop posting.

No Fraser, you may not be up to speed with it, I saw a member on here a few months back that had opted NOT to recive reputation, so there must be way to do that...maybe you could ask MT there's a good lad.

[nzspokes]

Perhaps it's more a case of me preferring to focus on important issues in the world rather than playing little association picture games and the like - IYKWIM.

Maybe you would have more buy in on the Trade Me forums. IYKWIM.

[Madness]

I may be speaking prematurely but so far this thread is really delivering the goods. Could it be that what's looking like one of the best threads of 2016 was posted in the Site Stuff forum, who'd have thunk?

[Katman]

I may be speaking prematurely but so far this thread is really delivering the goods. Could it be that what's looking like one of the best threads of 2016 was posted in the Site Stuff forum, who'd have thunk?

I'm sure Gremlin can fix that.

[Katman]

Maybe you would have more buy in on the Trade Me forums. IYKWIM.

Funnily enough I was permanently banned from them.

Clearly too many fucking pussies on there.

[PrincessBandit]

i see no door



Speshul for ewe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCHogNRvFg

so don't say I never do anything for you.

I even provided more than one.

[onearmedbandit]

No Fraser, you may not be up to speed with it, I saw a member on here a few months back that had opted NOT to recive reputation, so there must be way to do that...maybe you could ask MT there's a good lad.

Sorry, it's beer o'clock.

[bogan]

No Fraser, you may not be up to speed with it, I saw a member on here a few months back that had opted NOT to recive reputation, so there must be way to do that...maybe you could ask MT there's a good lad.


Just post middle of the road uninsightful beigery, or post exclusively in the PD forum should do it.

Or put everyone who gives you rep on ignore to hide it.

Or create a custom local CSS page file modfication to your user page to hide it.

Or put twink on that part of the screen.

Or fuck right off.



What can I say, I'm an idea's man :whistle:

[Maha]

Maybe you would have more buy in on the Trade Me forums. IYKWIM.

How much is a conspiracy on TM if you hit Buy Now?

[Maha]

Just post middle of the road uninsightful beigery, or post exclusively in the PD forum should do it.

Or put everyone who gives you rep on ignore to hide it.

Or create a custom local CSS page file modfication to your user page to hide it.

Or put twink on that part of the screen.

Or fuck right off.



What can I say, I'm an idea's man :whistle:

Do you have spell check?

[onearmedbandit]

32 posts removed and sent to PD. Thanks for proving our point that there are bunch of you who just like to stir shit here.

I'm locking this thread now, the message has been delivered.