2017 NZSBK Superbike Championship - on hold

[Drew]

Sure looks like you have.

Nah, Scott knows his shit mate.
Fuck it. I can't seem to have an opinion because I know Sloan and I'm too stupid to have come to it by myself.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck it. I can't seem to have an opinion because I know Sloan and I'm too stupid to have come to it by myself.

You seem to have no problem having one, neither do I. Just because we don't agree on each others doesn't make them wrong either. We did you become such a cry baby?

[Drew]

You seem to have no problem having one, neither do I. Just because we don't agree on each others doesn't make them wrong either. We did you become such a cry baby?

Hahahaha. Gotta spread more rep. That's problematic because you and Trustrum (I dunno if that's how to spell his name actually), are the only cunts I remember giving rep to.

[sidecar bob]

Whatever Pete. I'm not really vested in it at all, so matters not to me what way it goes.

However. If you read Sloan's submission (someone should since the useless fucking officials admit they didn't) the rules are quite clear.

But fuck it, this Scott cunt is like most other MNZ tards.

To be fair, this Scott cunt is a fairly good cunt.
I have to work next door to the cunt every day & you could definitely have worse cunts for a neighbour.

[Drew]

To be fair, this Scott cunt is a fairly good cunt.
I have to work next door to the cunt every day & you could definitely have worse cunts for a neighbour.

Sounds like every other MNZ tard to me. But if you and Pete both have time for him, he must be alright.

[Kickaha]

I've never been an official at a meeting. Very much doubt I ever would.
Thank fuck for that

[Drew]

Thank fuck for that

I sincerely doubt I could do worse than half the tards doing it now.

[scott411]

I sincerely doubt I could do worse than half the tards doing it now.

give it a go, you might even enjoy it,

[Drew]

give it a go, you might even enjoy it,

I would lose my shit.

[sidecar bob]

I would lose my shit.

Well that would be better than losing a large chunk of loose steel from your sidecar at turn 3 Hampton Downs & getting the MNZ appointed sidecar scrutineer in the shit. :lol:

[jellywrestler]

Sounds like every other MNZ tard to me. But if you and Pete both have time for him, he must be alright.

i'd have a dozen or more Scott's at every meeting anyday, he rides and rolls up his sleeves which lesser and lesser people do these days.

[jellywrestler]

give it a go, you might even enjoy it,

you owe me a new keyboard, this one's now covered in my bedtime milo i couldn't contain when i read that.

[merv]

Okay, so reading this https://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/09/25/tony-rees-appeal it is pointless us talking about what should or shouldn't have been in relation to how many laps etc etc because the real crux of the matter is "There were no reported protests or appeals lodged during or immediately after this meeting". Case closed, roll on the new season and good luck to everyone.

[jellywrestler]

Okay, so reading this https://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/09/25/tony-rees-appeal it is pointless us talking about what should or shouldn't have been in relation to how many laps etc etc because the real crux of the matter is "There were no reported protests or appeals lodged during or immediately after this meeting". Case closed, roll on the new season and good luck to everyone.

ling and zing should have got more i reckon

[scott411]

you owe me a new keyboard, this one's now covered in my bedtime milo i couldn't contain when i read that.

sorry, well not really,

[Doppleganger]

Okay, so reading this https://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/09/25/tony-rees-appeal it is pointless us talking about what should or shouldn't have been in relation to how many laps etc etc because the real crux of the matter is "There were no reported protests or appeals lodged during or immediately after this meeting". Case closed, roll on the new season and good luck to everyone.

Like I said originally this whole shit fight came out of a fucking know it all dick head (cunt for Drews benefit) rocking up a week later and and making out it was all wrong - he got it wrong and all this crap fell out because of it.

Everyone left that Taupo meeting happy until Hampton Downs and said cunt opened his big mouth.

[merv]

Everyone left that Taupo meeting happy until Hampton Downs and said cunt opened his big mouth.

Is said person's mouth now shut then?

[jellywrestler]

Like I said originally this whole shit fight came out of a fucking know it all dick head (cunt for Drews benefit) rocking up a week later and and making out it was all wrong - he got it wrong and all this crap fell out because of it.

Everyone left that Taupo meeting happy until Hampton Downs and said cunt opened his big mouth.

once again incorrect, the issue started at taupo and the issue you talk of happened on i think the thursday between meetings.

[Doppleganger]

Is said person's mouth now shut then?
I hope so

once again incorrect, the issue started at taupo and the issue you talk of happened on i think the thursday between meetings.

No, You are incorrect, we were told on the Saturday morning. No one had any idea about it until then.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I've said before on this thread that they're incapable of putting out the same rulebook 2 years running....

It needs to be proofread against one pre website and all the remit revisions entered - then password protected against alteration by unauthorised people.

Wait, whut? they dont do that already?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm not calling people names.(snip)

This rule is picked at by dicks all the time. Usually noobs to racing that think they know better than everyone. Marcus made a whole song and dance about it, and we all know how big a fuckwit that cock is.

I was amused to read that, then your signature "Polemic, look it up"

[pritch]

Well I've said before on this thread that they're incapable of putting out the same rulebook 2 years running....

It needs to be proofread against one pre website and all the remit revisions entered - then password protected against alteration by unauthorised people.

Would not simply publishing it as a PDF sort that?

I feel sorry for all of the riders involved in this farce but MNZ does not come out of this smelling of roses. All riders should know the rules, that can win races and did on one occasion for Sterling Moss. Yeah I'm that old. He was shown a black flag but no number, so he continued circulating despite increasingly agitated flag waving.

Take the protest fee to every race - in cash. Once as Match Director in a different sport I had a competitor waving his cheque book at me. Yeah right!

If the MNZ people that fucked this up are still in office next year, consider that your fault.

[jellywrestler]

In fact the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee openly stated he had not even read my submission as he couldn't open the PDF file.




Would not simply publishing it as a PDF sort that?

.
probably not that simple....

[Grumph]

probably not that simple....

I note that MNZ officials appear to be supplied with paper copies - at least I was able to use an official one last weekend at levels to confirm a rule hadn't changed...But you wouldn't have known that judging by the bike I was querying.
The old system of receiving a rulebook with your licence was very good - and more important, the competitor then had no excuses....

[Drew]

I note that MNZ officials appear to be supplied with paper copies - at least I was able to use an official one last weekend at levels to confirm a rule hadn't changed...But you wouldn't have known that judging by the bike I was querying.
The old system of receiving a rulebook with your licence was very good - and more important, the competitor then had no excuses....
You can still get a copy of the rules with your licence. Costs ten bucks I think.

[Grumph]

You can still get a copy of the rules with your licence. Costs ten bucks I think.

Given the licence cost, it should come free. It used to.

At least two of the other competitive activities I do have a section on the entry forms asking you to confirm that you have a copy of the rules - and a signature verifying that you have read them...

[HenryDorsetCase]

probably not that simple....

I've been thinking about this from a quasi-judicial perspective having read some of this thread.

If the only ground for an appeal is as a result of action taken on the day (i.e. a protest is filed within the alotted time limit) but briefs of evidence and submissions would be considered, clearly.

But if the very notion of the appeal fails at the first hurdle (an appeal must be lodged within X timeframe, by Y person who meets Z criteria - for example it must be lodged within 24 hours (say) by a competitor in the race under scrutiny) then it is clear that the judiciary/steward/insert title here not only can not, but pretty much must not read any of that stuff. The judgment is as simple as "Because the appeal was not filed within the time limit stipulated in Rule Blah, the appeal cannot be heard and is hereby dismissed".

I'd be interested in reading the decision if someone has it.

[husaberg]

I've been thinking about this from a quasi-judicial perspective having read some of this thread.

If the only ground for an appeal is as a result of action taken on the day (i.e. a protest is filed within the alotted time limit) but briefs of evidence and submissions would be considered, clearly.

But if the very notion of the appeal fails at the first hurdle (an appeal must be lodged within X timeframe, by Y person who meets Z criteria - for example it must be lodged within 24 hours (say) by a competitor in the race under scrutiny) then it is clear that the judiciary/steward/insert title here not only can not, but pretty much must not read any of that stuff. The judgment is as simple as "Because the appeal was not filed within the time limit stipulated in Rule Blah, the appeal cannot be heard and is hereby dismissed".

I'd be interested in reading the decision if someone has it.
It will be on the MNZ website or it bloody should.

It is not. oh well
http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/09/25/tony-rees-appeal
http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/09/25/mitchell-rees-appeal
http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/results/revised-2017-nzsbk-championship-results-final-after-2nd-judiciary-hearing.pdf?sfvrsn=0

[Drew]

I've been thinking about this from a quasi-judicial perspective having read some of this thread.

If the only ground for an appeal is as a result of action taken on the day (i.e. a protest is filed within the alotted time limit) but briefs of evidence and submissions would be considered, clearly.

But if the very notion of the appeal fails at the first hurdle (an appeal must be lodged within X timeframe, by Y person who meets Z criteria - for example it must be lodged within 24 hours (say) by a competitor in the race under scrutiny) then it is clear that the judiciary/steward/insert title here not only can not, but pretty much must not read any of that stuff. The judgment is as simple as "Because the appeal was not filed within the time limit stipulated in Rule Blah, the appeal cannot be heard and is hereby dismissed".

I'd be interested in reading the decision if someone has it.
That's actually another problem. There was never a protest from Hampton downs.

[sidecar bob]

I doubt either guy will appeal the decision from this hearing.

I find this post comforting. :niceone:

[merv]

I find this post comforting. :niceone:

Now your comfort has gone again Bob and Drew failed us on this one.

Time Sloan just let it go I reckon as this is just plain ridiculous to keep on doing this. How to make friends and influence people - not.

https://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/10/26/judiciary-hearing

[Drew]

Now your comfort has gone again Bob and Drew failed us on this one.

Time Sloan just let it go I reckon as this is just plain ridiculous to keep on doing this. How to make friends and influence people - not.

https://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/10/26/judiciary-hearing

You should realise that it's the complete fuck up by MNZ that is his issue.
Not the result.

But yes, I was wrong.

On the winning friends remark. The fuck would you know ya dumb cunt? Sloan has big dollar sponsors. His job is to get results for them.

Officials have disliked him since the start of his road racing. Mostly because he's one of very few who point out when they're fucking it up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Now your comfort has gone again Bob and Drew failed us on this one.

Time Sloan just let it go I reckon as this is just plain ridiculous to keep on doing this. How to make friends and influence people - not.

https://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2017/10/26/judiciary-hearing

How.

Fucking.

Gay.

[Kickaha]

Officials have disliked him since the start of his road racing. Mostly because he's one of very few who point out when they're fucking it up.
Are you saying that has influenced the decision making?

[Grumph]

Sloan has big dollar sponsors. His job is to get results for them.

Or the money stops ? Fairly obvious reason for carrying on with the appeals.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

The fuck would you know ya dumb cunt? Sloan has big dollar sponsors. His job is to get results for them.

Officials have disliked him since the start of his road racing. Mostly because he's one of very few who point out when they're fucking it up.

His wife's Mum and Dad?


Are you saying that has influenced the decision making?

You'd fucking hope not eh.


Or the money stops ? Fairly obvious reason for carrying on with the appeals.....

D.I.V.O.R.C.E.

[onearmedbandit]

From the 'laymans' point of view, this is all a major cluster fuck. Made me, and yes I'm just an individual, lose interest in the NZGP.

[scott411]

You should realise that it's the complete fuck up by MNZ that is his issue.
Not the result.

But yes, I was wrong.

On the winning friends remark. The fuck would you know ya dumb cunt? Sloan has big dollar sponsors. His job is to get results for them.

Officials have disliked him since the start of his road racing. Mostly because he's one of very few who point out when they're fucking it up.

So you think they are taking Tony's side because they dont like Sloan?, the same Tony Rees who was president of one of the biggest clubs to leave MNZ, the club that still runs the biggest Motocross meeting outside MNZ, i think thats really grasping at straws,

[Drew]

Are you saying that has influenced the decision making?No No no. That is not what I mean.

The Merv fuckwit made a comment about winning friends. I was pointing out that Chop doesn't give a fuck about making friends of them.


Or the money stops ? Fairly obvious reason for carrying on with the appeals.....
No, don't put words in my mouth.

So you think they are taking Tony's side because they dont like Sloan?, the same Tony Rees who was president of one of the biggest clubs to leave MNZ, the club that still runs the biggest Motocross meeting outside MNZ, i think thats really grasping at straws,
Don't be a fuckwit. That's not what I meant.

[merv]

And Drew thinks I'm the fuckwit here :laugh:

I'm simply expressing a similar point of view to onearmedbandit above (without calling you names Drew) which is about what do we think of the racing if this is what happens. You run out of friends (read enthusiasts like the public) no one attends, the money starts drying up etc etc.

[sidecar bob]

No No no. That is not what I mean.

The Merv fuckwit made a comment about winning friends. I was pointing out that Chop doesn't give a fuck about making friends.

I think this is a more realistic round up.
He's not just alienating the organisers or mnz.
Some of his ardent supporters & people that have been friends with his parents for many years are struggling with this.

[nzspokes]

Chop doesn't give a fuck

Clearly.

It is clear this series is a joke now. Why would any of the brands bother with it?

What wins on Sunday sells on Monday does not apply anymore.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was pointing out that Chop doesn't give a fuck about making friends of them.


.

Fuck me. Everything you eat nowadays must taste like shit, you've got your tongue that far up Sloan's arse.

Tony, rightfully so, was made Champ. Sloan lost, fair and square. He should take it like a man, and own the fact he ain't it until next time he wins it. Anything else, stinks of poor sportsmanship, and a sorry loser.

[Drew]

Fuck me. Everything you eat nowadays must taste like shit, you've got your tongue that far up Sloan's arse.

Tony, rightfully so, was made Champ. Sloan lost, fair and square. He should take it like a man, and own the fact he ain't it until next time he wins it. Anything else, stinks of poor sportsmanship, and a sorry loser.
That's not correct.

At the end of play Sloan was crowned superbike champion.

[Drew]

That's not correct.

At the end of play Sloan was crowned superbike champion.

He has the trophy, and his renewed license has the no.1 on it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's not correct.

At the end of play Sloan was crowned superbike champion.

Good for him. Bet he feels great about it. Bit like a guy I used to play golf with. He was so keen to beat us, he'd *forget* to count shots. Even though he walked around with his chest puffed out, we all (him included) knew he hadn't won.

Sloan's young, and good enough to win many more titles, such a shame he's willing to be remembered for the wrong reasons in his quest for glory.

[Drew]

Good for him. Bet he feels great about it. Bit like a guy I used to play golf with. He was so keen to beat us, he'd *forget* to count shots. Even though he walked around with his chest puffed out, we all (him included) knew he hadn't won.

Sloan's young, and good enough to win many more titles, such a shame he's willing to be remembered for the wrong reasons in his quest for glory.

See it however you like man. It's no skin off my (brown) nose what you think of him or me.

But you don't know the details. I'll get him to send you his submission and you can ask for Tony's yourself if it interests you. Otherwise shut your hole.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Otherwise shut your hole.

Didn't realise you were the only one on KB allowed an opinion. You self righteous cunt. And for the record, pretty sure I know enough about the whole sorry thing to know who actually deserved to be the champ. Can't win titles by lying in the kitty litter. I know that first hand. Unlike yourself. Wanker.

[pritch]

Friend of mine was on the MNZ council for years and he told me that once the lawyers started talking "natural justice" it became very difficult for MNZ to win. From what we've already read of the last hearing, Sloan would seem to have a case in that regard. Without going back and checking, I'm referring to the part where somebody who was adjudicating did not even read Sloan's evidence because that person didn't have the appropriate software.

Meantime I suppose we can console ourselves that the non-motorcycling community knows nowt about all of this.

[Drew]

Didn't realise you were the only one on KB allowed an opinion. You self righteous cunt. And for the record, pretty sure I know enough about the whole sorry thing to know who actually deserved to be the champ. Can't win titles by lying in the kitty litter. I know that first hand. Unlike yourself. Wanker.


You don't know what you're talking about and you're being a cock if you're suggesting that Chop took a dive to get the race red flagged.

You're a fucken hypocrite and seemingly not worthy of the respect so many of us have given you.

Eat shit cunt.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You don't know what you're talking about and you're being a cock if you're suggesting that Chop took a dive to get the race red flagged.

You're a fucken hypocrite and seemingly not worthy of the respect so many of us have given you.

Eat shit cunt.

Care to show me where I said that?

And do you seriously think I care what a tossbag like yourself thinks of me Drew? Any respect I have, I earnt on a racetrack. Unlike yourself.

As for the eating shit bit...look up the word hypocrite you used for me. You're the one eating huge servings of it. Sloans.

[Kickaha]

Mint, this is like the KB of old

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mint, this is like the KB of old

Lol. Great eh! I'm having a great old time. Drew's such a winner. I have such respect for him.

[Drew]

Lol. Great eh! I'm having a great old time. Drew's such a winner. I have such respect for him.

Cool story.

[Grumph]

Well, lets hope Sloane can shut the arguments down with a clear win this season.....

Or anyone else. Please.

[Drew]

Well, lets hope Sloane can shut the arguments down with a clear win this season.....

I'm just amazed that people are focusing on the Who, and not questioning the why.

It doesn't matter fuck all who gets the crown. Whether any of us want either rider to win is beside the point.

That it has been so completely fucked up by MNZ or the officials thereof is what is contended by Sloan.

The last hearing was run with complete ineptitude.

Appeals have been made that lack a bloody protest to begin with. How the fuck does that work?

[sidecar bob]

I have no problem who wins, I do have a problem with the outcome being constantly challenged.
It needs to be put to bed before the flag drops on the Suzuki Tri series.

[Drew]

I have no problem who wins, I do have a problem with the outcome being constantly challenged.
It needs to be put to bed before the flag drops on the Suzuki Tri series.

The outcome hasn't been challenged. The process and those running it have.

[sidecar bob]

The outcome hasn't been challenged. The process and those running it have.

It's still Tomato however you say it.

[scott411]

You don't know what you're talking about and you're being a cock if you're suggesting that Chop took a dive to get the race red flagged.

You're a fucken hypocrite and seemingly not worthy of the respect so many of us have given you.

Eat shit cunt.

Sloan need more points out of a race he crashed in and caused a red flag in to get the title, seems as far as you can get from from natural justice to get a win in a race where you caused a red flag,

and MNZ did fuck up, they changed the points mid week from what was posted at the track, the Rees's had everyright to appeal that dumb ass call, as Sloan would have had the right to protest those results on the day,

[scott411]

Mint, this is like the KB of old

good aye, we have been far to nice to each other for years now,

[scott411]

Friend of mine was on the MNZ council for years and he told me that once the lawyers started talking "natural justice" it became very difficult for MNZ to win. From what we've already read of the last hearing, Sloan would seem to have a case in that regard. Without going back and checking, I'm referring to the part where somebody who was adjudicating did not even read Sloan's evidence because that person didn't have the appropriate software.

Meantime I suppose we can console ourselves that the non-motorcycling community knows nowt about all of this.

it depends on what the ruling was, (which i have not seen release of the second one) . from what i understand, the Rees's appealed the fact the points from taupo where changed the week after without an offical protest being laid or heard, which the appeal panel agreed with and over turned the change, Sloan went to the Sports Tribunal and successfully argued that was a affected party he should have his thoughts heard, and they put it back to the appeal panel, which still agreed that the points should not be changed when no offical protest was laid, not to sure if anything Sloan apart from a protest fee receipt could change that decision

I had a similar appeal back in 99 NZ MX champs. they cancelled the points from the meeting on tuesday after the event, it never got to the appeal board as the club involved had appealed as well, ironically Sloan beat me in points that year by a couple of places

[Drew]

Sloan need more points out of a race he crashed in and caused a red flag in to get the title, seems as far as you can get from from natural justice to get a win in a race where you caused a red flag,

and MNZ did fuck up, they changed the points mid week from what was posted at the track, the Rees's had everyright to appeal that dumb ass call, as Sloan would have had the right to protest those results on the day,

My comment re appeal was regarding Hampton downs. No one protested the results, yet post event there was an appeal.

Re the Taupo result. Even the new rules take the results back to the last cometeted lap (I'll have to check the definition of 'completed') from the time the red flag goes out. If the red flag is caused by the leader, they are not excluded from the result.




What I think should happen is that Taupo results are so fucked that no points should be awarded. Sloan has been awarded 6th place for fuck sakes. It's 1st or DNF. He never crossed the line in 6th.

The lap scorer made the mistake. The clerk of the course is recorded as having said the results go back to lap 4. If he didn't agree with that then Tony would have been able to appeal at the time and life would have been easier now. But a mistake was made by not listening or simply getting it wrong, and that was corrected at a later date. Aaaaaaand then it gets blurry.

[Drew]

It's still Tomato however you say it.

Bullshit.

Yeah, of course he wants to win. But he will accept the decision of a fair hearing. As soon as he gets one of those, the series will have a winner.

[scott411]

The lap scorer made the mistake. The clerk of the course is recorded as having said the results go back to lap 4. If he didn't agree with that then Tony would have been able to appeal at the time and life would have been easier now. But a mistake was made by not listening or simply getting it wrong, and that was corrected at a later date. Aaaaaaand then it gets blurry.

all results are final 30 minutes after being posted, unless you protest them,


and to quote yourself earlier in this thread,

Nobody cares what you think the rules should be. Ya got that? Stop putting that in to the thread. We don't care.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cool story.

Far better than any story you're likely to ever come up with you dopey cunt.


Sloan need more points out of a race he crashed in and caused a red flag in to get the title, seems as far as you can get from from natural justice to get a win in a race where you caused a red flag,
,

Nail-head.


Bullshit.

But he will accept the decision of a fair hearing. As soon as he gets one of those, the series will have a winner.

Would be far better, if he simply accepted he didn't win the title because he was in the kitty litter. But I forgot. You work for Sloan don't ya? Looking for a pay rise as well as a brown tongue? Living your life vicariously through someone else must get pretty depressing at times. If only you'd had the balls to have a go yourself. Save you having to tickle someone else's. With your face.

[Drew]

Far better than any story you're likely to ever come up with you dopey cunt.



Nail-head.



Would be far better, if he simply accepted he didn't win the title because he was in the kitty litter. But I forgot. You work for Sloan don't ya? Looking for a pay rise as well as a brown tongue? Living your life vicariously through someone else must get pretty depressing at times. If only you'd had the balls to have a go yourself. Save you having to tickle someone else's. With your face.

Yeah, Sloan's a mate of mine. It probably sways my viewpoint in his favour. That isn't what gets me wound up about this situation though.

I have a race bike. Circumstances have prevented me from racing the season just been, but we're ready to rock and roll this season. There's no vicarious living here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, Sloan's a mate of mine. It probably sways my viewpoint in his favour. That isn't what gets me wound up about this situation though.

I have a race bike. Circumstances have prevented me from racing the season just been, but we're ready to rock and roll this season. There's no vicarious living here.

Funnily enough, I quite like Sloan too. But that changes nothing regarding the wank that is last years title chase.

Sell all of your shit, go without everything you normally have. Buy a bike suitable for the most competitive (solo) race class there is here in NZ, then talk to me about respect when it comes to all things road racing.

Until then, take your hand of your tiny knob and fuck off. And never talk to me about respect, when you have none, and no clue about what it even takes, or the balls to earn it yourself.

[Drew]

Funnily enough, I quite like Sloan too. But that changes nothing regarding the wank that is last years title chase.

Sell all of your shit, go without everything you normally have. Buy a bike suitable for the most competitive (solo) race class there is here in NZ, then talk to me about respect when it comes to all things road racing.

Until then, take your hand of your tiny knob and fuck off. And never talk to me about respect, when you have none, and no clue about what it even takes, or the balls to earn it yourself.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Is it that I'm not a real racer?

I've spent ten + years in one seat or another, have I no clue of racing and it's governing body here?

[mr bucketracer]

who's starting a poll:Police:

[Crasherfromwayback]

who's starting a poll:Police:

Nobody. But Drew is certainly smoking one. Sloan's.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're a fucken hypocrite and seemingly not worthy of the respect so many of us have given you.
Eat shit cunt.


I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Is it that I'm not a real racer?
I've spent ten + years in one seat or another, ?

And yet, no cunt respects you. That's what I'm getting at. Respect is earnt. Normally through results. You talk a fucking good race on a keyboard, even though you're doing it with one hand. So my point was and is, don't bother ever talking to me about respect, softcock.

[Drew]

And yet, no cunt respects you. That's what I'm getting at. Respect is earnt. Normally through results. You talk a fucking good race on a keyboard, even though you're doing it with one hand. So my point was and is, don't bother ever talking to me about respect, softcock.

I said I no longer have respect for you. That's a personal attack so I understand your reaction. I don't however get that you interpret it to think it's somehow based on your results as a racer.

I doubt very much that I'd see what way you went on the race track. You're a fucken machine on a bike.

I've fucked you off endlessly. It's probably only that Jimmy is a good mate of yours that you haven't blocked me already. So I can only suggest that you get on with it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I said I no longer have respect for you. .

Pass me a razor.

[nodrog]

Right I've got a tape measure, get ya cocks out.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Right I've got a tape measure, get ya cocks out.

You'll only need a micrometer for mine.

[husaberg]

I said I no longer have respect for you. That's a personal attack so I understand your reaction. I don't however get that you interpret it to think it's somehow based on your results as a racer.

I doubt very much that I'd see what way you went on the race track. You're a fucken machine on a bike.

I've fucked you off endlessly. It's probably only that Jimmy is a good mate of yours that you haven't blocked me already. So I can only suggest that you get on with it.

You miss Shaun aye:innocent:

[nodrog]

You'll only need a micrometer for mine.

it's the smell i'm worried about.

[Crasherfromwayback]

it's the smell i'm worried about.

Smells like diddle, tastes the same! And I just know you're hungry!

[jellywrestler]

Right I've got a tape measure, get ya cocks out.

hope you warm up the steel tip on the end this time, otherwise it retreats like when touching snail antlers..

[jellywrestler]

You should realise that it's the complete fuck up by MNZ that is his issue.


If the team had checked the results before the end of the day at taupo then all would have been different, shame nobody bothered to do that and now are chasing every other means and blame everyone else for this.

[sidecar bob]

If the team had checked the results before the end of the day at taupo then all would have been different, shame nobody bothered to do that and now are chasing every other means and blame everyone else for this.

You are correct, but I can't remember the last time I checked my points before going home.
Having said that, I've also never had a roll in the kitty litter & then yelled at the Marshall to leave the bike in the middle of the track to get the race red flagged, so I guess that's the curve ball.

[jellywrestler]

You don't know what you're talking about and you're being a cock if you're suggesting that Chop took a dive to get the race red flagged.

So then, what's your take on him trying to restart that race on a different bike to what he used in the first race then?

[Drew]

So then, what's your take on him trying to restart that race on a different bike to what he used in the first race then?
That's not allowed, though I prolly would have been warming the second bike up for him if I were at the event.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You don't know what you're talking about and you're being a cock if you're suggesting that Chop took a dive to get the race red flagged.
Eat shit cunt.



Having said that, I've also never had a roll in the kitty litter & then yelled at the Marshall to leave the bike in the middle of the track to get the race red flagged.

So what's your take on this, Mrs Frost? Or are you too busy eating?

[nodrog]

hope you warm up the steel tip on the end this time, otherwise it retreats like when touching snail antlers..

You touch snail antlers with your cock? Fuck you're sick!

[jellywrestler]

You touch snail antlers with your cock? Fuck you're sick!

they're always moist, i thought everyone did that?

[Crasherfromwayback]

You touch snail antlers with your cock? Fuck you're sick!

Mine's about the same size, so it's a fair sword fight.


they're always moist, i thought everyone did that?

Have you noticed how many chicks hate the word moist? Despite perfect male specimens like us getting them in such a condition.

[jellywrestler]

Mine's about the same size, so it's a fair sword fight.



Have you noticed how many chicks hate the word moist? Despite perfect male specimens like us getting them in such a condition.

what about the term 'mistys'? referring to girls so tight that when they piss it's just mist?

[jellywrestler]

That's not allowed, though I prolly would have been warming the second bike up for him if I were at the event.

allowed or not it happened and is due to one of just two things, not knowing a simple rule or trying to ch__t. I can't see any other options.Either way is dissappointing at that level.

[Grumph]

allowed or not it happened and is due to one of just two things, not knowing a simple rule or trying to ch__t. I can't see any other options.Either way is dissappointing at that level.

There's a third possible reason for doing it - sponsor pressure.
Or at least the feeling of obligation to them which produces the sort of pressure which could lead to this sequence of events....

[Drew]

allowed or not it happened and is due to one of just two things, not knowing a simple rule or trying to ch__t. I can't see any other options.Either way is dissappointing at that level.

I can't speak for the team on the day and what they were thinking of course. I can say that even though I know about the rule, it might not occur to me in the rush of getting the rider back out on track that he has to be on the same bike he started the first part of the race on.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can't speak for the team on the day and what they were thinking of course. .

You've done nothing but since, you dopey cunt.

[jellywrestler]

There's a third possible reason for doing it - sponsor pressure.
Or at least the feeling of obligation to them which produces the sort of pressure which could lead to this sequence of events....

that only leads to embarrassment for all concerned when it's found and and there's a disqualification handed out so hadn't tabled that one Greg.

[Drew]

You've done nothing but since, you dopey cunt.

Cool story.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cool story.

Yeah. For someone that thinks they're pretty smart, you're coming across pretty thick like. And you called me a hypocrite? Take a look in the mirror, Knobjob.

[Drew]

that only leads to embarrassment for all concerned when it's found and and there's a disqualification handed out so hadn't tabled that one Greg.

Was it Stroud who went back out after crashing out of a first part of a race prior to it being red flagged, then went out again in the second part. Had he not had his bike rechecked or something?

Was a couple years ago at Christchurch. Just trying to think why he shouldn't have been allowed out.

[jellywrestler]

Was it Stroud who went back out after crashing out of a first part of a race prior to it being red flagged, then went out again in the second part. Had he not had his bike rechecked or something?

Was a couple years ago at Christchurch. Just trying to think why he shouldn't have been allowed out.

it's all on CTAS, he crashed, then the two beemers crashed and caused a red flag and there was confusion on how many laps he'd done and whether he had done sufficient laps for a restart. his bike was sorted etc

[Drew]

it's all on CTAS, he crashed, then the two beemers crashed and caused a red flag and there was confusion on how many laps he'd done and whether he had done sufficient laps for a restart. his bike was sorted etc

Ok. And did you imply that he was a cheat for going out when he should have known that he was entitled?

[jellywrestler]

.

The lap scorer made the mistake. The clerk of the course is recorded as having said the results go back to lap 4.

3.9 Timekeeper: The principal duty of the Timekeeper is to record and report such
times as are required by the conditions of the competition as instructed by the
Clerk of the Course and to prepare and sign such records as may be required
in the case of an attempt at records or a certified test.

the timekeeper is entirely under the Clerk of the Course so whatever 'mistake' was made was not theirs. The Clerk of the course will have recorded the time of a red flag and instruct the timing staff where to finalise the results.

[CHOPPA]

Well, again this has been fun to read!

Its all a little bit twisted I must admit. It would have been nice to win the Championship outright but here we are....

There is a very big reason why I am not letting this go as easy as what I could and that is due to Tony getting away with jumping the start at the Wanganui and not getting penalised for it, in the process taking the Championship while I got a 20 second penalty and ended up 3rd. I put an appeal in and MNZ completely disregarded the appeal. Not a single press release about the fact so eventually I decided to take it on the chin and focus on the 2017 National Championship debarcle and I cancelled my appeal.

Nationals, my bike locked up and I crashed at Taupo. I didnt try and cause a Red Flag, if that was my intention I would have checked the results and protested. At the next round they told us that a mistake had been made in the results and with the race going back to the previous lap then I got points. This happens quite often, happens in Moto GP. Its just the way the cookie crumbles some times, just like the jump start thing at Wanganui. Sometime you win sometimes you lose.

I still had a mountain of points to make up at Hampton Downs but I rode as hard as I possibly could, I have an attitude that I will fight to the very end., I got second in the first race but I won the second race and I lead every lap of the TT, we actually raced about 15 laps of that race but the results were taken back nearly 2 laps in the first stint and 1 lap in the second stint. We were sent back to the pits and the results were declared.

In total I won the most races in the Championship, I had the fastest laps, all but 1 pole position and I won the TT and GP titles so I think I also deserved the title but the circumstances how it all came about were out of my control. I was handed the trophy and awarded the Championship.

Tony felt aggrieved so he made an appeal to which he was awarded the Championship. I felt MNZ should have taken my evidence into consideration and they agreed so we went to the ST. The ST saw that it was quite a complex problem so they wanted MNZ to re do the appeal process correctly. I dont believe the second round of appeals were conducted correctly or fairly, I have put it to the Sport Tribunal that MNZ didn't provide a fair hearing. The Sport Tribunal may disagree and that will be the end of it. If they agree and believe it was not correct then we will provide the Sports Tribunal with our submission and they will decide on the outcome. I'm not holding my breath for any changes but the MNZ rules have given us a set of rules to use and that is all that I am doing.

Im not the one who made any of these rulings, I am not the one who started the appeals process. I have the same attitude that I have with anything I do in my life. I will fight as hard as I can for as long as I can. That's why I am a Champion. That's why Tony is a Champion. That's what you need to do to become a Champion.

Agree/Disagree its not a problem. Personal insults sorta suck, maybe I am a sore loser, I certainly don't like losing. Never have. I will accept whatever the decision is when the flag finally falls and I will proudly display whatever number I have earned. If its number 2 then expect me to proudly display a big number 2. I wont hide behind some random number.

As you were though, this is what KB is all about!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well, again this has been fun to read!
t!

Good answer, and great you took the time to reply. I've often seen that nowadays, road racing is called a team sport. It def is now. I'm not sure how many you had on your team Sloan, but when i did the nationals, I had one. Me. I fitted my own tyres, with a rubber mallet, balanced them statically, and jetting and geared my own bike each week.

It's unfortunate that your GSXR locked up, and threw you into the kitty litter. Maybe your engine builder needs some help?

My KR1SP did a meltdown at round one at Pukekohe, through no fault of my own. The electrics went haywire. I had to take that on the chin.

At round two, Bruce Anstey ran me into the hay going over the bridge at Wanganui when i tried to ride around him. That was fair, as I'd done the same to him at Manfield not long before.

At Levels, Tony Sampson tried the impossible, and skittled three of us, with me being the last to remount. My exhaust had been torn from the cyl, so power was lacking. I was so mad, I tried desperately to hunt him down, so I could run him off the track. But I crashed on the last lap trying to do so.

At no point, did I consult the rule book, or try to blame someone else. This is what I meant, when I said to Drew, that I personally know you can't win a championship, when you're lying in the kitty litter.

That's racing...and you know it. Own it. You're good enough, fast enough, and young enough to win many more. You and your team are making this all stink like Drew's tongue.

Come back harder, faster and better his year. And get someone else to build your engines.

[jellywrestler]

Ok. And did you imply that he was a cheat for going out when he should have known that he was entitled?

i never implied anyone was a ch__t, earlier on. I gave two possible options on the situation I mentioned, clearly it was a case of not knowing the rule as I was right there, later Grumph suggested a third.


6.21 B f. Machines may be repaired, but not replaced, provided they have been
approved by the Machine Examiner or the Technical Steward (whichever
is applicable) before rejoining.

Sloan and his Mum came up the tower and got a protest form as he was held back from the restart in pitlane, they stated at the time that he was not allowed out due to him causing the red flag. They sat in the sofa right by the lift, naturally i was interested in how he was as it didn't look a nice bin at that speed, and then what had happened as I was there to inform the crowd of things.
I later went to the pits and asked her whether the protest had been lodged, she had not but had it filled out and the money waiting, I then suggested she check that rule, once they did the protest was discarded as either way he was not allowed to restart on another machine.
FYI Al Hoogies team came up to the tower and asked whether Al could go out in the restart after crashing out in turn one in the same race Sloan crashed and the red flag deployed, they did not know the rule.
Add to this Scotty Moir who pulled out after lap two from memory, he restarted part two while Sloan was held back (as mentioned earlier) they either didn't know the rule re 65 % OR weren't sure of the laps that had occurred so THREE of the Superbike teams in that one race either did not know the rules or the other option.


As for the Stroud incident you speak of, once again I was right there, the officials were in a circle discussing whether he was elidgible for a restart, i asked what the lap score was and they didn't actually have a copy!!! I went up to the timing people and got one for them, there was still some confusion and the warm up lap well under way, he got tapped on the shoulder and told to get on the track and it would be sorted later, this delay was blamed at the time for bugdens bike overheating and expiring. If the officials hadn't let him rejoin when he was entilted to the race results would have had to be declared null and void so it was better to let him out at the time when no-one could come up with an answer it seems.

While i'm here I'll point out what Tony said re the jump start at Wanganui. He knew he'd jumped, he rolled a little then stopped so he knew there should be a twenty second penalty. He put his head down to make up some time, on lap one a blackboard came out at the start finish, not his number, no board lap two, another lap three, none on four or five. After this he didn't have to push so hard, as he thought the rule said the blackboard had to be displayed within five laps.

The five lap bit, that both Tony and the Steward of the meeting were referring to on the day; was removed from the rule book some time ago.

The point of my post 340 was that one of the rules was not known by a leading team, not at all the other option I listed, notes here say it is widespread at that level, as well as some of the officials so just what are we going to do about it?

[scott411]

the amount of riders and teams that know the rules is pretty low, and it does not help they have changed a lot over the years,

i know its the same in the top motocross teams as well, and saw it happen at the final round of the mx nationals last year, when one of the team managers tried to raise the protest flag, (in MX, there is a purple flag that the rider must raise to starts the protest, you can not go back to the pits and talk to your team before you protest a racing incident)

its always amazed me that people will spend that much money on teams and racing, and not read the rules, or even carry a copy of the rule book with them

edit: ill add some officals to the list of people that don't know the rules,

[Grumph]

Interesting responses. Thanks Sloan for putting your side of it.

"Tony felt aggrieved"...I'd like to hear Tony's reasons too.

Carrying a grievance over from the Suzuki Series to the nationals is a mistake IMO. They're separate series and what happens in one should have no bearing on the other. If you go into the Nationals with that sort of shit in the back of your mind, it's going to blur your focus.
If you're going back to the Sports Tribunal on the basis that an MNZ official couldn't open your submission sent electronically, IMO that shouldn't be grounds.
It's your responsibilty to supply any evidence or submissions in a form that can be accessed. To me that would have been hard copy printed out.

[Autech]

Was it Stroud who went back out after crashing out of a first part of a race prior to it being red flagged, then went out again in the second part. Had he not had his bike rechecked or something?

Was a couple years ago at Christchurch. Just trying to think why he shouldn't have been allowed out.



As for the Stroud incident you speak of, once again I was right there, the officials were in a circle discussing whether he was elidgible for a restart, i asked what the lap score was and they didn't actually have a copy!!! I went up to the timing people and got one for them, there was still some confusion and the warm up lap well under way, he got tapped on the shoulder and told to get on the track and it would be sorted later, this delay was blamed at the time for bugdens bike overheating and expiring. If the officials hadn't let him rejoin when he was entilted to the race results would have had to be declared null and void so it was better to let him out at the time when no-one could come up with an answer it seems.


Didn't they let him out but starting at the back of the grid, so he just passed the whole field on the first lap? I remember him looking pissed off on the grid and rode the wheels off it. Would have been 2012 as that was the first Nationals I was in Christchurch for.

[Drew]

Didn't they let him out but starting at the back of the grid, so he just passed the whole field on the first lap? I remember him looking pissed off on the grid and rode the wheels off it. Would have been 2012 as that was the first Nationals I was in Christchurch for.
It was the ride of the season.

[Drew]

Interesting responses. Thanks Sloan for putting your side of it.

"Tony felt aggrieved"...I'd like to hear Tony's reasons too.

Carrying a grievance over from the Suzuki Series to the nationals is a mistake IMO. They're separate series and what happens in one should have no bearing on the other. If you go into the Nationals with that sort of shit in the back of your mind, it's going to blur your focus.
If you're going back to the Sports Tribunal on the basis that an MNZ official couldn't open your submission sent electronically, IMO that shouldn't be grounds.
It's your responsibilty to supply any evidence or submissions in a form that can be accessed. To me that would have been hard copy printed out.
Fair point if the guy had told Sloan he couldn't open the file. But finding out at the hearing that he hadn't read it isn't on.

[jellywrestler]

It was the ride of the season.

Stroudy said afterwards that starting off the back of the grid certainly got his attention! as if riding a superbike isn't enough to do that.

[sidecar bob]

Stroudy said afterwards that starting off the back of the grid certainly got his attention! as if riding a superbike isn't enough to do that.

The man's a legend without equal.

[jellywrestler]

The man's a legend without equal.
Add to that it was five years since he'd crashed either in practice or a race, the last being a 600 at levels.....

[sidecar bob]

Add to that it was five years since he'd crashed either in practice or a race, the last being a 600 at levels.....

Which was a mechanical fault, I think a radiator hose blew off & doused the rear tyre.
Or was that when the caliper fell off?

[Autech]

Which was a mechanical fault, I think a radiator hose blew off & doused the rear tyre.
Or was that when the caliper fell off?Didn't he stay on when the caliper failed?

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[jellywrestler]

Didn't he stay on when the caliper failed?

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yeah that was during qualifying at ruapuna one year, seen that and it looked all pretty low key really, but of course it could've been very different

[merv]

Then there was the Manfeild crash that didn't help his title hopes.

[jellywrestler]

Then there was the Manfeild crash that didn't help his title hopes.

no but it wasn't his doing either, but that's racing

[nodrog]

Which was a mechanical fault, I think a radiator hose blew off & doused the rear tyre.
Or was that when the caliper fell off?

Wasnt he riding that turbo gsxr at puke when it shit the hose all over the tyre?

[jellywrestler]

Wasnt he riding that turbo gsxr at puke when it shit the hose all over the tyre?

pass, i only follow racing.
on that note I might have to buy a netflix pass to fill in half the weekend at HD nationals this season..., or turn towards state highway one it will be just as exciting.

[Crasherfromwayback]

no but it wasn't his doing either, but that's racing

Indeed. It sucks balls. But def is part of it. MM lost and engine this year, Rossi the other year. She's a cruel mistress.

[Drew]

Wasnt he riding that turbo gsxr at puke when it shit the hose all over the tyre?
He high sided the churbro coming onto the front straight of Taupo.

This is the first I've heard about a water pipe coming off.

[jellywrestler]

In total I won the most races in the Championship, I had the fastest laps, all but 1 pole position and I won the TT and GP titles

your riding and results were better than i'd expected for the season to be honest. The season before was a dream season with one small off in practice at levels, and while a lot is up to the rider the aussie boys you had on your team were experts on bike set up etc were just the ticket to make the whole thing work so well.
i've seen many a team have that expertise only to flounder when it wasn't available, you and your team didn't.
nobodies mentioned here the dnf in the final race at teretonga whiched sucked a lot of points out of your campaign either
Tony spoke well at HD and said at the end of the day he didn't ride hard enough.
looking forward to this season in just a few weeks, just hope this is resolved before then.

[mr bucketracer]

Quote Originally Posted by CHOPPA View Post

In total I won the most races in the Championship, I had the fastest laps, all but 1 pole position and I won the TT and GP titles but can't bet the fat guy that starts at the back of the grid on a bucket )
well you can't win everything choppa (-;

[sidecar bob]

Quote Originally Posted by CHOPPA View Post

In total I won the most races in the Championship, I had the fastest laps, all but 1 pole position and I won the TT and GP titles but can't bet the fat guy that starts at the back of the grid on a bucket )
well you can't win everything choppa (-;

Put the fat bucket rider on an adult bike & see what happens.

[gsxr]

Maybe its time do do away with all the rules and just have a court of KB to decide all disputes in the off season

[jasonu]

Put the fat bucket rider on an adult bike & see what happens.

He'd probably do better than all the 'adult' bike racers I've seen show up at a Bucket meetings spouting how they are going to wipe the floor with the regulars but actually found it a lot harder to get to the pointy end than it looks. Except for Paul Dobbs, that cunt was fast out of the box on just about anything.

[mr bucketracer]

Put the fat bucket rider on an adult bike & see what happens.as long as it rainning (-; with slicks lol, i have respect for slone and dennis charlett for racing in lower cc class's for giveing new riders a chance of racing with top rated racers , im just a has been that likes the odd challange (-; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxML6mCfJnA

[mr bucketracer]

Maybe its time do do away with all the rules and just have a court of KB to decide all disputes in the off seasonyes , third place wins , truck the other 2 lol

[Grumph]

He'd probably do better than all the 'adult' bike racers I've seen show up at a Bucket meetings spouting how they are going to wipe the floor with the regulars but actually found it a lot harder to get to the pointy end than it looks. Except for Paul Dobbs, that cunt was fast out of the box on just about anything.

One memorable incident down here when a experienced and good "big bike" rider tried buckets. Started off the front and won the drag to the first corner - then got run over by half the field when he backed off for the corner....Limped away vowing never to return.

The whole thing with the championship is unfortunate. I'm given to believe that there was a wish initially to keep it low key, wrongly IMO. Full transparency all the way in todays world of instant communication. People looking in will undoubtedly choose sides - as we here have - but full disclosure should at least let the watchers understand the decision.
I don't like how it all got out either. Official channels should have been better.

[jellywrestler]

Maybe its time do do away with all the rules and just have a court of KB to decide all disputes in the off season

nah lets just get the rules right, and people working to them. if the riders knew the rules the ones that aren't well written would be rewritten, and if the officials tried anything within the rules they'd be pulled up real smart by riders who wouldn't stand for shit, as i mentioned before it's a widespread issue, hope like fuck we can all get the shits up us enough to do soemthing about it and move on with better systems.
also do the officials have tests with scenarios thrown at them? that would help both the officials with interpretation and working out where some rules are poorly written.

[Berries]

I grew up down the road from Donington so saw a lot of bike racing in the late 70's, 80's and early nineties before moving to NZ. Have been to two events here in the last 20 odd years, there has really been nothing to tempt me to travel two hours to go and watch. Until this cocksucker of a thread which has added a bit of interest to the whole proceedings. When is the next SBK round at Teretonga? I'll be there with bells on.



And a copy of the rule book, probably.

[Drew]

I grew up down the road from Donington so saw a lot of bike racing in the late 70's, 80's and early nineties before moving to NZ. Have been to two events here in the last 20 odd years, there has really been nothing to tempt me to travel two hours to go and watch. Until this cocksucker of a thread which has added a bit of interest to the whole proceedings. When is the next SBK round at Teretonga? I'll be there with bells on.



And a copy of the rule book, probably.There is no Teratonga round this season.

[Berries]

Well that pissed on my chips rather quickly.

[jellywrestler]

Well that pissed on my chips rather quickly.

get up to hampton downs round, they're running a half trackday and half new zealand championship road racing day including the prestigious new zealand tourirst trophy meeting, you'll be able to ride your bike half the day and watch the racing the other half of it.

[sidecar bob]

get up to hampton downs round, they're running a half trackday and half new zealand championship road racing day including the prestigious new zealand tourirst trophy meeting, you'll be able to ride your bike half the day and watch the racing the other half of it.

Really? Is that the state of nz roadracing? we cant even fill a whole day with top class actual racing.

[jellywrestler]

Really? Is that the state of nz roadracing? we cant even fill a whole day with top class actual racing.

we can , and we often struggle at hampton downs to get through the day, but now they have seven sessions for past legends display (2 x 30mins) and 5 x 20 min track day sessions. 2 hours and forty minutes per day , to be fair one 30 minute past legends dissplay is in the lunchtime period.
maybe it's an economic thing but why not have the track day during the open practice on friday, and saturday leaving sunday to get on with it.?
might bring a number plate along and grab a superbike for the trackday sessions

[eldog]

Somehow like every sport etc need more people to be involved
riding, behind the scenes, watching.

need to make it interesting to general public~ like me

and more visible advertising/programme timetable.

talk it up.

a mate of mine is involved, but not once has he asked or mentioned about upcoming events.
he knows I am interested and ride bikes.:facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

and more visible advertising/programme timetable.

:
what are you talking about, there's an ad for the very same meeting on the front page of this very same forum, albeit for the 2015 round.
to be fair, advertising is so bloody hard these days as it's so diluted, shame they can't have a billboard for what's on at HD on the road, would be safer to do that than have people trying to gawk and find out when driving past it

[Grumph]

Well that pissed on my chips rather quickly.

The round at levels is better viewing - and closer to you.

I'm picking the setup at HD is pure economics. The Auckland round wherever it's held has always struggled to cover costs.
One year I suggested at riders briefing that the competitors go across to the main stand at Puke and personally thank the dozen or so people there....

[Drew]

Suppose the track day thing is a good way to get riders to come to the event.

[scott411]

get up to hampton downs round, they're running a half trackday and half new zealand championship road racing day including the prestigious new zealand tourirst trophy meeting, you'll be able to ride your bike half the day and watch the racing the other half of it.

interesting new devlopment, you have to try new stuff, and making hampton downs pay for itself is not easy,

wonder how it works and if these riders will need to have a race licence (not a championship one) to practice under a MNZ permit,

[eldog]

what are you talking about, there's an ad for the very same meeting on the front page of this very same forum, albeit for the 2015 round.
to be fair, advertising is so bloody hard these days as it's so diluted, shame they can't have a billboard for what's on at HD on the road, would be safer to do that than have people trying to gawk and find out when driving past it

Exactly. out of date info.
Agreed advertising is difficult.
Need to build personalities /something for people to root for. :headbang:

A billboard is a start but too remote for aucklanders. Maybe not so for Hamiltonians

Went to wanganui street race and the jet boat next day that made for a good experience.

Even club days or lower levels would be interesting if there was some sort of way of identifying individuals/teams rather than a whole group of riders wearing black leather.

The sidecars are good like that.

Hampton and pukekohe should really rock. But they don't.

I don't have an answer

Philip island was supposed to awesome this year.

[jellywrestler]

Exactly. out of date info.
Agreed advertising is difficult.
Need to build personalities /something for people to root for. :headbang:

A billboard is a start but too remote for aucklanders. Maybe not so for Hamiltonians

Went to wanganui street race and the jet boat next day that made for a good experience.

Even club days or lower levels would be interesting if there was some sort of way of identifying individuals/teams rather than a whole group of riders wearing black leather.

The sidecars are good like that.

Hampton and pukekohe should really rock. But they don't.

I don't have an answer

Philip island was supposed to awesome this year. in aussie the local scene including the nationals really struggles for spectators as they have a GP and World superbikes available so people flock to them and don't bother with their own scene, a shame cause it's great racing

[jellywrestler]

interesting new devlopment, you have to try new stuff, and making hampton downs pay for itself is not easy,

wonder how it works and if these riders will need to have a race licence (not a championship one) to practice under a MNZ permit,

they are running on the full international track which is strictly limited in availability as it's reserved for showcase events, 59 marshalls required and the hd track day people are only allowed to one international track event a year, but as i said why not have them friday saturday and leave sunday to do racing and longer nztt races. just my opinion, three of those sessions are at the end of the day too,

[Grumph]

Suppose the track day thing is a good way to get riders to come to the event.

Think of them as spectators paying a premium price.....

[Drew]

Think of them as spectators paying a premium price.....

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[Berries]

Exactly. out of date info.
Agreed advertising is difficult.
Need to build personalities /something for people to root for. :headbang:.
Characters. That is what you need and this thread is full of them. But only if you are in the know. Bike racing is great entertainment but the NZ public does not know that. Rugby rugby rugby toilet sex rugby. It just needs one really good PR person to push a few of the characters to start the snowball affect.

And get an annual winner takes all race in Invers. Love it or hate it and the distance involved, it is the home to the relocated motorbike museum and the whole Burt Munro thing lifts it beyond the realm of motorcyclists to the general public. Get them in to it and you are halfway there.

[Berries]

repeat post

[jellywrestler]

Characters. That is what you need and this thread is full of them. But only if you are in the know. Bike racing is great entertainment but the NZ public does not know that. Rugby rugby rugby toilet sex rugby. It just needs one really good PR person to push a few of the characters to start the snowball affect.

And get an annual winner takes all race in Invers. Love it or hate it and the distance involved, it is the home to the relocated motorbike museum and the whole Burt Munro thing lifts it beyond the realm of motorcyclists to the general public. Get them in to it and you are halfway there.

last year Bruce Anstey got a queens honour and came back to his hometoen in wellington to recieve it, a matter of weeks later he won an isle of man tt on an electric bike, not even a mention in the local papers, despite me keeping them supplied with all sorts of info to support a good story, '
not even the fact he was riding the 'new' technology got into their heads.

several years ago i think bruce won three tt's in a week, all we had here was greg murphy getting a back operation.

even when we had the world superbikes final here all we could get was a half hour program a week later sadly

[roogazza]

Characters. That is what you need and this thread is full of them. But only if you are in the know. Bike racing is great entertainment but the NZ public does not know that. Rugby rugby rugby toilet sex rugby. It just needs one really good PR person to push a few of the characters to start the snowball affect.

It's always been that way Berries,even in the 'Boom' years it was always a case of how do we get more people to come. We had plenty of Stars and Heros to look up to,it was a wonderful time/era.
My parents ,who couldn't be further from liking bikes,used to listen to the radio for my results.(whether it be a splatter or a win !).
We had live Wanganui on TV Boxing day,so if you weren't there you could avoid the mother in law for the day.
Bit sad these days,what 10 Superbikes ? and then squabbles over who won for a year does nothing for promoting road racing.
Then the latest, trackday/title races in one day at HD and that after reducing the Title Races to just 4 Meetings is it, from last year? (I think we had at least 6 ???).
You can rest in the knowledge that Rugby is struggling compared to the past as well. Maybe its just that the world has changed or a generation that wants something different.
But hey, we can live on our memories huh ?

[jellywrestler]

You can rest in the knowledge that Rugby is struggling compared to the past as well. Maybe its just that the world has changed or a generation that wants something different.
But hey, we can live on our memories huh ? the whole world is moving away from competitive sports, focus is going on personal bests etc, track days mean people can have six or seven shots in the day, if they want to go home no-one notices, they pack up and go.
our superbike filed per capita is one of the highest in the world, there was a weekend in september when we had 13 road racers racing somewhere in the world, so there's till plenty going on.
having just been through some of the old wanganui programmes recently there were times when some of the feilds were 50 to 75% bigger than the 'golden years' of the malboro series, does this make that series a failure due to lack of numbers?

[sidecar bob]

Bit sad these days,what 10 Superbikes ? and then squabbles over who won for a year does nothing for promoting road racing.


They had nowhere near ten super bikes. it was a mixed grid with superstock, so looked far better than it actually was, yet the promoters threatened to can the sidecars this season due to having around ten confirmed entries, which is sure to be more.

[jellywrestler]

They had nowhere near ten super bikes. it was a mixed grid with superstock, so looked far better than it actually was, yet the promoters threatened to can the sidecars this season due to having around ten confirmed entries, which is sure to be more.

to be fair there's a two year lead in time for new rules and there were a few riders with new bikes running them as superstock, rather than superbike them, and have to back spec them to superstock. they also had superbike B. this year will see bigger grids again, and with what i've seen with sidecars they'll be busy, what about next year though when the old 'invercargills too far away' moan rears its ugly head again?


have you thought about taking leaf out of their book and combining F1 and F2 sidecars?

[roogazza]

the whole world is moving away from competitive sports, focus is going on personal bests etc, track days mean people can have six or seven shots in the day, if they want to go home no-one notices, they pack up and go.

Its a bugger if thats what is happening Spyda.
At least you can stick a Go pro on your head and pretend I suppose.(and then get a photo with your knee on the ground to back it up lol).
Nothing is forever,as they say ? Enjoy what ya got,while you can huh ? :mellow:

[jellywrestler]

At least you can stick a Go pro on your head and pretend I suppose:

nah, you can't even do that now, they reckon a go pro contributed to his head injuries so they're not allowed on brain buckets, plus they cought people screwing them on.
why on earth can't go pro make a cool looking streamlined camera? we gave up square shape shit like that before the depression as it wasn't aerodynamic?

[Reckless]

Contour Roam like I have is the best option, exactly why I got it Spyda didn't want a box sticking out.
The sticky came off the helmet at 200k last track day at Puke, Picked it up off the back straight, the bloody thing still goes :)
Cant put it on the helmet racing though, rules are rules and I agree. I guess the dumb cunt that took a drill to his helmet screwed it for everyone else :(

You just cant do without the media unfortunately.
IMAGINE if the stuff thats happened between Choppa, Tony and the championship had happened between Marquez and Rossi or Marquez and Lorenzo.
The hype that would be going into next session about mortal enemies fighting it out next year would be boiling over!!!
Doesnt matter that Choppa and Tony don't hate each other, its about MARKETING. They could both sit back laugh and enjoy the extra sponsors money generated :)
But without the media only a few on a forum or two are involved. Very hard, even with the effort of a few getting the info to the media.
Mainly the meetings over history packed with punters every time have been road racing. Cemetary, Paeroa, Masterton street races, Gracefield etc.
My mum took me to Gracefiald as a kid. We had our spot in the inside of the corner end of the start finish straight.
Same place as the chick in the cut off jeans Hot pants every year Lordy lordy the effect she had on a young minor well nuff said LMAO.
From what I saw there where not that many punters at the 500 car event last weekend at Hampton even with their marketing budget.
Hard one to answer you seem to need drama and media for gate takings or danger like on the streets.

[Drew]

We gave up prize money for TV coverage.

Fuck you Tuckerman ya queer shaped cunt.

The coverage was long in coming; and fucking piss poor.

[Drew]

what about next year though when the old 'invercargills too far away' moan rears its ugly head again?


Fuck up Spyda. The chairs went to Invercargill last season ya cock.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck up Spyda. The chairs went to Invercargill last season ya cock.

I think you may need to change your meds.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck you Tuckerman ya queer shaped cunt.

.

First thing in a while we can agree on.

[Drew]

I think you may need to change your meds.


First thing in a while we can agree on.
Cool stories.

[Kickaha]

I think you may need to change your meds.

Or at least take some, he's been a prize cunt lately, not that he wasn't before but he's leveled up a couple of times or something

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cool stories.

Almost as good as yours eh? I'll keep trying. You do set the bar pretty high. When you're not too busy eating it.

[Kickaha]

You do set the bar pretty high. When you're not too busy eating it.

Or licking windows

[Drew]

Or at least take some, he's been a prize cunt lately, not that he wasn't before but he's leveled up a couple of times or something

Fuck the fuck off.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cool stories.


Or at least take some, he's been a prize cunt lately, not that he wasn't before but he's leveled up a couple of times or something

Yeah. Life was going ok for me last week. Then Drew Mair told me he'd lost all respect for me. I'm struggling to keep it together now, and I've had to seek help, just to be able to carry on. Being told by a total loser that they have no respect for you, is fucking tough.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or licking windows

This springs to mind regarding him.

333226

[sidecar bob]

We gave up prize money for TV coverage.

Fuck you Tuckerman ya queer shaped cunt.

The coverage was long in coming; and fucking piss poor.

I understood he also had a share in the production company that took our prize money & gave several competitors brief belated TV coverage. I found that a little perplexing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

perplexing.

You'll need to use words with fewer syllables for Drew to be able to grasp it. He reads a lot, which in turn, makes him feel intelligent. In actual fact, what you end up with, is a stupid cunt, that reads a lot and talks shit about things he doesn't actually understand because of it. Bit like Kerry Dukie really.

[Kickaha]

Bit like Kerry Dukie really.

There's really no need for that kind of abuse

[Crasherfromwayback]

There's really no need for that kind of abuse

I dunno. They'd make a cute couple I reckon. And seeing as Sloan is ob not gay, might be Drew's best chance of getting the cock he's obviously lusting after.

[jellywrestler]

yet the promoters threatened to can the sidecars this season


Fuck up Spyda. The chairs went to Invercargill last season ya cock.

i was there, and there were just six machines there, hence the question whether to continue having them in the NZSBK series, much as i hate it it's tough to argue against it as there's a minimium number required to run points and if one blows up or crashes out?
this happened in early niniteis when a big crash in the esses at the Cemetery circuit took out three teams, we didn't even head south yet the year before we had seven points rounds. less than ten years ago at the first round in levels there were mid twenties of outfits lined up, most of those bikes are still around too.

[Kickaha]

less than ten years ago at the first round in levels there were mid twenties of outfits lined up, most of those bikes are still around too.
Only because someone else was paying for a chunk of it

[Grumph]

I think you may need to change your meds.

He's showing all the symptoms of someone who's been arguing with Cassina. The frequent need to hit a wall with your head is common in that case...

Spyda - do you think a "B" grade class within the nat rounds would tempt out more of the older and uncompetitive chairs ? Looking in from the outside it seems to be seen as a big spenders class...

[Kickaha]

Spyda - do you think a "B" grade class within the nat rounds would tempt out more of the older and uncompetitive chairs ? Looking in from the outside it seems to be seen as a big spenders class...

That's what Goober reckons but he's a whiney little bitch

[jellywrestler]

Only because someone else was paying for a chunk of it

money may have helped, but it was the motivation inside that got that ball rolling.

[jellywrestler]

Spyda - do you think a "B" grade class within the nat rounds would tempt out more of the older and uncompetitive chairs ? Looking in from the outside it seems to be seen as a big spenders class...

i did ask our road race commisioner at conference why they had limited most classes in one way or another to reduce costs they hadn't ever looked into sidecars the same way? not sure whether the association have talked about it either, there's always been some good gear and good budgets out there, at least there's a more spread feild all the way through, for a long time there were usually three top teams and the rest got lapped a fair bit of the time.

[sidecar bob]

i did ask our road race commisioner at conference why they had limited most classes in one way or another to reduce costs they hadn't ever looked into sidecars the same way? not sure whether the association have talked about it either, there's always been some good gear and good budgets out there, at least there's a more spread feild all the way through, for a long time there were usually three top teams and the rest got lapped a fair bit of the time.

The f2 class is becoming far more established, which is addressing that issue.
For nearly a decade, pink bike (including when it was richies) was the only f2 competing.
It does cost a lot less to run than a F1 if used correctly.

[jasonu]

IMAGINE if the stuff thats happened between Choppa, Tony and the championship had happened between Marquez and Rossi or Marquez and Lorenzo..

You still wouldn't see anything about it in the NZ media.

[Drew]

It's all over now. Tony is the champion.

The hearing held at the sports tribunal was the way to go. It forced MNZ to do it right.

[scott411]

It's all over now. Tony is the champion.

The hearing held at the sports tribunal was the way to go. It forced MNZ to do it right.

it will be an interesting read when they release the tribunal decision, well at least for people like me that are interested in the process as well,

its taken a long time to get the same result as the original appeal tho, at least it got finished in 2017,

[Drew]

it will be an interesting read when they release the tribunal decision, well at least for people like me that are interested in the process as well,

its taken a long time to get the same result as the original appeal tho, at least it got finished in 2017,

Has taken ages, and if people choose to they will blame Sloan for that. Particularly since lots of folk didn't even understand what it was he was appealing.

But the process was finally done properly now, so it's all smiles and prep for the new season.

Suzuki series this weekend, I'll just concentrate on the other 27 sidecars on the grid with me.

[sidecar bob]

Is there any avenue for Tony to recoup his significant costs in defending this?

[Grumph]

Is there any avenue for Tony to recoup his significant costs in defending this?

Good case to take it to the Small Claims tribunal, I'd have thought.
But who would you bring it against as the final verdict is the same as the first....
Honda not prepared to assist ?

[Drew]

Is there any avenue for Tony to recoup his significant costs in defending this?

No, and not should there be.

[Drew]

Good case to take it to the Small Claims tribunal, I'd have thought.
But who would you bring it against as the final verdict is the same as the first....
Honda not prepared to assist ?
There would perhaps be case there if Sloan had no grounds to drag it out. But the governing body of our governing body agreed throughout that MNZ had not handled it correctly.

[jasonu]

Is there any avenue for Tony to recoup his significant costs in defending this?

Who would he sue? Sloan for contesting the results (that he had every right to) or the MNZ for being a bunch of hopeless cunts.

[sidecar bob]

No, and not should there be.

Why not?
If I took you to court for being a cunt & you spent thousands proving you weren't, would you not want your losses covered? (Hypothetical situation only);)

[Kickaha]

Why not?
If I took you to court for being a cunt & you spent thousands proving you weren't, would you not want your losses covered? (Hypothetical situation only);)
Of course it's hypothetical there isn't enough money in the world to convince people he's not a cunt

[sidecar bob]

Who would he sue? Sloan for contesting the results (that he had every right to) or the MNZ for being a bunch of hopeless cunts.
excellent question, what do you think?

[jellywrestler]

Who would he sue? Sloan for contesting the results (that he had every right to) or the MNZ for being a bunch of hopeless cunts.

if the riders knew the rules right through the sport then any officials who make mistakes or otherwise should be questioned about it, if the rule isn't right, then there are paths to change them, i've just had one changed that i saw wasn't working, it wasn't hard, just went and saw the right person who looked into it.
no matter how trivial it's worth doing to tidy up the sport

[jellywrestler]

for what itr's worth sloan rode like the wind last year, unfortunately with a four round series and eight races there's not a lot of room to recover from a DNF, this year there should be a lot more competition, strong competition too so it's back into battle and may the best man win.

[CHOPPA]

Lets get this straight...

I actually WON all of my appeals.

Race 2 at Taupo. The results were incorrect.
Hampton Downs. The results originally recorded are correct.
Natural Justice. MNZ didnt give me natural justice.

[Drew]

if the riders knew the rules right through the sport then any officials who make mistakes or otherwise should be questioned about it, if the rule isn't right, then there are paths to change them, i've just had one changed that i saw wasn't working, it wasn't hard, just went and saw the right person who looked into it.
no matter how trivial it's worth doing to tidy up the sport

No one knew a mistake (blatant disregard for the stewards instructions) had happened till after the fact.

[CHOPPA]

Tony had an appeal against the Stewards decision to change results as Taupo. This appeal was quashed.
Mitch had an appeal against the results at Hamptons. This appeal was quashed.

The fact that the ST ruled me out of the race at Taupo sealed my fate which I see as a fair decision.

The Championship was always a Cherry but the whole process was simply due to the way I have been treated by MNZ. Its well documented in the decision by the ST that MNZ had a clear bias against me from the outset. MNZ have a lot to answer for considering they wasted $50k of our combined money fighting me when all they needed to do was consider what I had to say which ended up being correct.

[sidecar bob]

Lets get this straight...

I actually WON all of my appeals.

Race 2 at Taupo. The results were incorrect.
Hampton Downs. The results originally recorded are correct.
Natural Justice. MNZ didnt give me natural justice.

That was not made clear at all until right now.
In fact it seemed like quite the opposite.
Thanks for putting that straight.

[scott411]

the decision if anyone wants to read it,

http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/assets/Uploads/ST0117-Decision3.pdf

[scott411]

Tony had an appeal against the Stewards decision to change results as Taupo. This appeal was quashed.
Mitch had an appeal against the results at Hamptons. This appeal was quashed.


Tony's appeal was set aside, not quashed, because of the perceived bias of the panel, there is a difference (although I am arguing semantics) , and when they ruled that the race was to run to lap 5, it became irrelevant to rehear that appeal,


(b) The initial decision of the Chief Steward at the Taupo meeting that the first part
of Race 2 had terminated at the end of lap 4 was incorrect. It terminated at the
end of lap 5. It follows that Mr Frost should not have been awarded any points
for Race 2. It also follows that the action taken by Mr New at Hampton Downs
“to correct the errors” made in scoring Race 2 was invalid.

Mitch's appeal was quashed on the 1/2 or quarter points used, that would have been good to know in the future as the rule was up to interpretation, but since the 1/2 points rule is gone anyway, it wont be used as a precedent,

[Crasherfromwayback]

The Championship was always a Cherry

Congrats on the title this year Sloan. That's the way to pick that cheery! Must feel extra good after last season.

[merv]

Yes congrats Sloan :niceone: and commiserations to Tony for not being able to compete :(.