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Viking01
7th May 2017, 19:12
Afternoon,

It's a lovely afternoon here in the Capital (again), though it was a bit grey
and cloudy this morning. But since I'd gotten almost all my given chores
completed yesterday, I was allowed off the chain today to go riding for a
while.

I wasn't going to write anything this week since I was completely lost for
inspiration, but once I had gotten back home, a topic suddenly came to me:
Common Courtesy. Or maybe that should be "Uncommon Courtesy" ? Who
knows.


My two riding companions had only a morning available, so it was only going
to be a quick trip over the Rimutakas to the Wairarapa, a quick tootle around
the back blocks and then home again by midday.

I'm always Tail End Charlie on our rides, mostly because they are both on
larger machines and generally quicker than me. But they're pretty courteous,
in that they do wait for me at key intersections to make sure that I haven't
gotten myself temporarily misplaced. Otherwise known as 'lost'.

For me, a challenge on the Rimutakas is to try and go over and back and not
have to use the brakes unless really necessary (i.e. the right gear and speed
on all corners).

On the way up the Hutt side of the Rimutakas this morning, the other two
managed to get past two horse floats just before the bottom, while yours
truly decided to hang back and wait for another opening. Which is when
the boy racer caught up with me.

And he followed me up most of the hill, trying to find an opportunity on the
overtaking lanes to show me his shiny new tailpipes.

As we progressed, I can understand that he may have become captivated
by the lovely red colour of the VFR, but I would have appreciated it if he
hadn't tried to do so while sitting on the pillion. Well, it certainly felt that
damn close.

Anyway, near the top (the last passing lane), I slowed down just enough
so he could blast (?) past me and we were both happy. He, since he had
demonstrated his driving prowess, and me, happy that he was now in front
where I could keep an eye on him on the way down. I'm really courteous
like that.

And then he pulls off and stops in the carpark at the top of the Rimutakas.
What was all that about then ?

Oh well, onwards. No-one in front now and no-one in the mirrors, so I could
concentrate on the cornering without worrying about other following traffic.

Half way down the hill to Featherston, I looked in the mirrors to suddenly see
an Agusta sitting on my tail (he must have been moving), and who followed me
for a short distance (before deciding to overtake).

Which was fine, except that we had slightly different ideas as to where a safe
overtake might be performed. And I don't think immediately before a 25km/hour
hairpin bend was really quite the right spot.

As I started to go slightly wide and position for the left hander, he quickly
swooped out right around the outside of me, dived into the spot that I was
just moving into, and braked right in front of me.

Now, I'm an Agusta fan, but "nice Agusta" were not the words I said to myself
as I braked as well to avoid clipping his tail-end. Please, sir, some patience
and consideration for your fellow bikers.

Anyway, I got to Featherston, we re-grouped, and then headed out on a wee
tootle. And once the cobwebs had been suitably cleared, we then stopped in
Greytown for a coffee.

While we were sitting down outside the cafe having a coffee and a sausage roll
in the sun, some other people came and sat down at an adjoining table. One couple
had a dog with them, and of course, it took all of two seconds for the dog's radar
to tune and work out which of us still had a dog offering on our plate. And to sit
there looking longingly at me.

The lady owner said not to feed him (how did she even know that I was thinking
about it ?), and of course, I nodded. At which point I accidentally knocked the
last portion off my plate, and "Fluffy" (or whatever it was called) then pounced
and inhaled it before I could even react.

Which did lead to a slightly uncomfortable silence for a minute or so. Look, I
did apologise and say I was sorry. It was an accident. Honest. She should have
kept it on a tighter lead anyway.

It was time to leave anyway (we'd all finished our coffee), so we hopped back on
our machines and headed back towards the Hutt.

It was a lovely morning, and even when I caught up to an Audi Q7 pulling a trailer,
he moved over slightly to the left (on double yellows, no less) and waved me on
through. And it would have been rude not to accept his kind offer. I mean, this
just doesn't happen under normal circumstances.

And it was still feeling good back on the Rimutakas, when the gentleman in the
people mover (coming down on the Featherston side) decided to cross the yellow
line and use some of the tarmac on my side of the road (just as I was about to).
I happily moved over to accommodate him. How more considerate could you be !

But the interesting part of the trip occurred just as we got to the turn-off by the
Silverstream bridge.

There must have been a custom car meet happening somewhere nearby, as a
fleet of nicely presented cars started to stream through the intersection on the
cross signal.

Two motorcyclists within their group then parked up across the traffic (our lanes)
and then proceeded to vigorously wave their group through. Yes, we could all see
that they were simply trying to keep their group together, and that we might miss
one light change. That's fine. No issue.

Except that the gentleman at the head of our right hand lane begged to differ,
and then tried to drive his car around the motorcyclist parked across his lane,
even to the point of partially mounting the traffic island. Really ?

At which point, his brain must have engaged and he stopped. What was he going
to do anyway ? Try and drive through the cross stream of cars, even though we
had the green light and right of way ? I don't think so.

The custom cars kept flowing, and once they had finished, the motorcyclists waved
a cheery "Thanks" to the car drivers that had been inconvenienced and then headed
off to catch their group.

However, I was so busy focusing on this event in front of me that I hadn't noticed
the police car (with flashing red and blue lights) that had stealthed up just to the
left of me, and who then quickly turned and chased after the custom car group.
I suspect that a wee conversation might have occurred soon afterwards.

We had to wait maybe another 15 seconds before the lights turned green for us and
we were all on our way again. And we were home again by midday. A lovely morning
out.

My dearly beloved had some shopping to do, and also wanted a hand to drop off a
few items at the local recycling bins. So off with the riding gear, and into the car
(and yes, I did get dressed again in-between).

Now, for some reason, these recycling bins were also a popular destination today,
and parking space was limited. We turned in and then backed up to leave some
space for our fellow recycler (as you do), and there was about 1.5 car lengths
free space in front of us.

As we were about to depart, along came a lady who then proceeded to park
nose-to-nose with us and consume all the free space, to the extent that we
were now boxed in. Flashed the headlights, raised my hands in plain sight as to
say "what gives?", and indicate that we simply wanted to exit.

But No, she exited her car and mouthed something in our direction like "I'll only
be a minute". Yeh, right. And then proceeded to start unloading the back of her
car. Instead of simply backing her car up a half car length first.

And so we waited, and waited. She certainly had managed to get plenty of recycling
into the back of that car.

I have to admit that I did think about returning the favour when she was ready to
leave, but was reliably informed that would simply be confrontational, and not at all
courteous. "Yes, my love, you're right as always". And not worth getting upset about.


So, what did I learn today ? That common courtesy is maybe not so common after all,
and that it is sometimes displayed when you least expect it. Oh, and not to feed the
dog !

jasonu
7th May 2017, 19:47
Afternoon,

Get a job.

rastuscat
7th May 2017, 20:29
Those with the attention span expected in 2017 are unlikely to have read to the end.

I didn't either, but I enjoyed what I did read. Both lines of it, in fact.

One thing I might suggest is to have a point.

After going back searching for said point, I realised that I had missed the message.

Here's an idea. Outline your point in the early stages, which will engage the reader, and cause him to understand why he is bothering to read the whole diatribe. Reinforce the point at the end.

Just a thought. Nicely written, by the way.

swbarnett
7th May 2017, 20:35
Afternoon,
...

Nice write up. My view is that the ONLY problem we have on our roads is a lack of courtesy. If we all treated each other with courtesy we could decimate the road toll overnight. And, yes, I agree, it damn near makes my day when I see it happen.

R650R
7th May 2017, 20:55
Common coutesy, its also known as editing a verbose passage.

To paraphrase your diatribe, you got owned by an Augusta who braked ahrd in fornt of you because he was going faster than you, quite how you thought hat might result in a collsion breaks the rules of physics.
Some snooty lady wasn't taking any shit from biker dudes at an overpriced café, instead of throwing her pooch into traffic you wimpily 'accidentl;y' feed her dog lol......
then some unknown person makes a mistake in busy town traffic, whoop de do........

There are some people who can rant random shit like this while riding and filming and turn it into an interesting VLOG, your missing the interesting aprt and oh the on board footage.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsRFAsxumgo

rastuscat
7th May 2017, 21:02
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rare-anti-road-rage-moment-10354727

Viking01
8th May 2017, 00:51
Those with the attention span expected in 2017 are unlikely to have read to the end.

I didn't either, but I enjoyed what I did read. Both lines of it, in fact.

One thing I might suggest is to have a point.

After going back searching for said point, I realised that I had missed the message.

Here's an idea. Outline your point in the early stages, which will engage the reader, and cause him to understand why he is bothering to read the whole diatribe. Reinforce the point at the end.

Just a thought. Nicely written, by the way.


Well, there has been an interesting set of response so far. Appreciate that
the post could have been shorter, and a bit more structured (I'll remember
that for the future, and I'll leave out the gratuitous animal feature ..... 8-)

The topic was stated in the second paragraph: Common courtesy is maybe not
so common. I simply gave a few examples of what I saw from just one short ride,
and let you be the judge.

What were the point(s) ? Well, I thought they were fairly self evident myself,
but maybe not so.

So here goes:

1. That some drivers (and riders) perform some stupid actions, sometimes quite
unconsciously (unthinking?) and at other times quite consciously (impatience?).
Definitely nothing newsworthy.

But more importantly:

2. That while training might help to address some of the unconscious aspects,
perhaps some more consideration and courtesy to other drivers (and riders)
might also make for a safer road environment overall (and incur a few less
deaths or injuries along the way).


Yes, I suppose I could have just said: I went out on a short ride today and

- Some person tail-gated me most of the way up the Rimutakas;
- Some person performed an (unexpected) overtaking and braking manoeuvre
right in front of me, to which I had to take avoiding action;
- Some person thought it was OK to cut a blind corner on a winding road,
again requiring some avoiding action;
- Two persons obstructed traffic briefly in order to allow a large group of
drivers to navigate a junction, but one of the affected parties reacted
adversely;
- Some-one parked in an irresponsible manner and couldn't care less if it
inconvenienced another driver
and
- I was really surprised when one driver went out of their way to let me
pass them.

I'm not delicate and I don't need a hug. Thanks all the same.

It's just that today, looking in hindsight, I couldn't help but notice:

- The number of events that seemed to arise from impatience, and in some cases
resulted in some quite aggressive behaviour. And I wasn't consciously looking.

- In contrast, how good it felt when the Audi driver moved over and waved me
on through. Thumbs up to that driver !

Maybe some drive / ride in a more aggressive environment every day than I do,
and this is nothing new.

My question is: If we want to teach tolerance (and get drivers to show some
more consideration and courtesy towards one another), how do we achieve it?

Because the alternative doesn't seem particularly attractive to me.

That's all I was trying to convey.

Viking01
8th May 2017, 08:30
Nice write up. My view is that the ONLY problem we have on our roads is a lack of courtesy. If we all treated each other with courtesy we could decimate the road toll overnight. And, yes, I agree, it damn near makes my day when I see it happen.

Well done. Spot on. Makes the key point that I was trying to make (in my usual
rambling manner). Thanks.

Moi
8th May 2017, 13:24
Another thought provoking wee read with my morning coffee.

Common courtesy, I believe, went out the window when many decided they had "entitlement" granted to them when they got their licence and/or bought the fancy vehicle on the 'never-never' - though more likely the company's lease...


In answer to your question: "If we want to teach tolerance (and get drivers to show some
more consideration and courtesy towards one another), how do we achieve it?"

I'd suggest that learning about tolerance begins in the home. However, what often happens in the home is heavily influenced by so many out-of-the-home actions: how people are treated at work, how those who are "leaders" behave, how particular actions are portrayed in the media, what is shown on television, internet and films and so on. Behaviour that was once frowned upon is now acceptable to so many.

Ocean1
8th May 2017, 13:48
Common courtesy, I believe, went out the window when many decided they had "entitlement" granted to them when they got their licence and/or bought the fancy vehicle on the 'never-never' - though more likely the company's lease...

I blame participation certificates.

Swoop
8th May 2017, 16:50
Courtesy, motherfuckers.
Do it.
330812

Zedder
8th May 2017, 19:48
I'd suggest that learning about tolerance begins in the home. However, what often happens in the home is heavily influenced by so many out-of-the-home actions: how people are treated at work, how those who are "leaders" behave, how particular actions are portrayed in the media, what is shown on television, internet and films and so on. Behaviour that was once frowned upon is now acceptable to so many.


Probably something to do with all the "individualism" going on as well.

swbarnett
9th May 2017, 00:39
Probably something to do with all the "individualism" going on as well.
Nothing wrong with seeing one's self as an individual. The problem comes when we treat others as inferior because of it.

PrincessBandit
9th May 2017, 07:53
........

There are some people who can rant random shit like this while riding and filming .....



Quite interesting and entertaining but I gave up about half way through. I guess he must have had plenty of experience to be able to display that level of verbal diarrhea while riding like that. The monologue did kinda remind me of ad on telly of the stoned dude with the multiple PhD's mentally debating the purpose of the world's oceans, but I guess if he's managed to still stay alive and in one piece after all this time he's not riding with ice or weedbrain...

Zedder
9th May 2017, 08:59
Nothing wrong with seeing one's self as an individual. The problem comes when we treat others as inferior because of it.


Of course we are all individuals, but ignoring social rules like courtesy etc because of an inflated sense of it (hence "individualism" in my previous post), is what appears too common.

James Deuce
9th May 2017, 11:22
MV fella will have been doing that thing where it's all point and squirt and no corner speed, therefore holding you up under braking. Have been undertaken a couple of times on the hill and once on both sides at the same time. I was discourteous in response to the undertake when approached at the cafe in Martinborough by an Aprilia RSVR rider who thought he should apologise. I disabused him of the notion that I gave any fucks about his opinion or apology.

swbarnett
9th May 2017, 15:35
Of course we are all individuals, but ignoring social rules like courtesy etc because of an inflated sense of it (hence "individualism" in my previous post), is what appears too common.
Exactly what I was getting at.

Viking01
9th May 2017, 15:42
MV fella will have been doing that thing where it's all point and squirt and no corner speed, therefore holding you up under braking. Have been undertaken a couple of times on the hill and once on both sides at the same time. I was discourteous in response to the undertake when approached at the cafe in Martinborough by an Aprilia RSVR rider who thought he should apologise. I disabused him of the notion that I gave any fucks about his opinion or apology.

James,
Hi. I see that you have had experience of the Rimutaka GP on the week-ends
as well. We ride over to the Wairarapa probably once a fortnight, and while
I have been energetically overtaken on the hill by other riders before, I have
never had the pleasure of the tag team approach (one on either side of you
at the same time). I can quite imagine your subsequent cafe discussion was
fairly short and to the point .... 8-)


In line with the topic of this thread, the amusing (?) part in my case was that
had my rider waited a further 5-10 seconds (after having navigated the bend),
there was a straight stretch immediately following.

Which was plainly visible as we came down the hill to the bend, and which he
could have used to do a much safer overtake.

I was quite happy for him to overtake, as he was obviously riding much faster
than me. And my ego is normally jammed in neutral. Safety first !

But at least the event was not wasted. There was still some learning that I
was able to take out of it. Even though this particular scenario hadn't come
up in riding class discussions.

Whether my actions in response were correct or not, that's another matter.
Guess I could well get some feedback.


Don't target fixate. Well, it's always easier said than done. Despite a mirror
check some 3-4 seconds earlier (in which he was present), the overtake was
a surprise due to its speed (and which was accentuated now that he seemed
to be braking firmly).

Should I still start looking around the corner, or should I keep watching him
instead ?

And which line should I take (follow him around on the same line - given that
he had positioned himself right where I had intended to ride, or maybe steer
a slightly tighter line inside) ?

F@#$% !

In the end, I chose to continue looking around the corner and not worry about
him. While braking firmly up to the entry point. And trusting on peripheral vision.

As for riding line, I chose to steer a similar line out wide around the corner as he,
though I couldn't know whether or not he might trail brake on his way around.

The separation distance between us felt quite small, though to an observer
it was probably quite large. Maybe handling a similar situation is what track
riding teaches you.

Anyway, we both made it around the corner, and he swiftly vanished off into
the distance. But it was a minute or so before the old heart rate dropped back
down again. Phew !

Moi
9th May 2017, 16:22
MV rider was lucky it was you to whom he demonstrated his "superior" overtaking skills. Had it been some one much less experienced then it could easily have ended badly for one or both riders. Otherwise, his overtaking demonstrations may be taken as learning experience by another rider who doesn't quite get the whole message and messes it all up one day, possibly with tragic results.

Perhaps he'll do it one day to someone who sends the video to the local constabulary with a request for local plod to pay MV rider a call - though I suspect that may be wishful thinking.

Also, does it say something about those who have "done track days" and now believe that is the way to ride when on any piece of public road?

Viking01
9th May 2017, 16:37
MV rider was lucky it was you to whom he demonstrated his "superior" overtaking skills. Had it been some one much less experienced then it could easily have ended badly for one or both riders. Otherwise, his overtaking demonstrations may be taken as learning experience by another rider who doesn't quite get the whole message and messes it all up one day, possibly with tragic results.

Perhaps he'll do it one day to someone who sends the video to the local constabulary with a request for local plod to pay MV rider a call - though I suspect that may be wishful thinking.

Also, does it say something about those who have "done track days" and now believe that is the way to ride when on any piece of public road?

Moi,
Hi. As I said, the actual separation distance was probably much greater than it actually felt.

Think that it was more the initial surprise at the overtake happening, and the time it took for
my old brain to re-engage and to start taking some appropriate action.

Moi
9th May 2017, 16:56
Moi,
Hi. As I said, the actual separation distance was probably much greater than it actually felt.

Think that it was more the initial surprise at the overtake happening, and the time it took for
my old brain to re-engage and to start taking some appropriate action.

The separation may well have been greater than it felt at the time and, for you, it worked out OK, despite the "heart-starter" moment due to the "surprise element". However, had he done it to someone with limited experience and who reacted by grabbing a handful of brake, then the outcome could easily have been a different matter.

As you said, had he waited he could then have overtaken you on a piece of straight road. But, lack of consideration for other road users... do that to a car driver and all the good done by bikers who acknowledge someone moving over or such is out the window.