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    Learning All The Time - Common Courtesy

    Afternoon,

    It's a lovely afternoon here in the Capital (again), though it was a bit grey
    and cloudy this morning. But since I'd gotten almost all my given chores
    completed yesterday, I was allowed off the chain today to go riding for a
    while.

    I wasn't going to write anything this week since I was completely lost for
    inspiration, but once I had gotten back home, a topic suddenly came to me:
    Common Courtesy. Or maybe that should be "Uncommon Courtesy" ? Who
    knows.


    My two riding companions had only a morning available, so it was only going
    to be a quick trip over the Rimutakas to the Wairarapa, a quick tootle around
    the back blocks and then home again by midday.

    I'm always Tail End Charlie on our rides, mostly because they are both on
    larger machines and generally quicker than me. But they're pretty courteous,
    in that they do wait for me at key intersections to make sure that I haven't
    gotten myself temporarily misplaced. Otherwise known as 'lost'.

    For me, a challenge on the Rimutakas is to try and go over and back and not
    have to use the brakes unless really necessary (i.e. the right gear and speed
    on all corners).

    On the way up the Hutt side of the Rimutakas this morning, the other two
    managed to get past two horse floats just before the bottom, while yours
    truly decided to hang back and wait for another opening. Which is when
    the boy racer caught up with me.

    And he followed me up most of the hill, trying to find an opportunity on the
    overtaking lanes to show me his shiny new tailpipes.

    As we progressed, I can understand that he may have become captivated
    by the lovely red colour of the VFR, but I would have appreciated it if he
    hadn't tried to do so while sitting on the pillion. Well, it certainly felt that
    damn close.

    Anyway, near the top (the last passing lane), I slowed down just enough
    so he could blast (?) past me and we were both happy. He, since he had
    demonstrated his driving prowess, and me, happy that he was now in front
    where I could keep an eye on him on the way down. I'm really courteous
    like that.

    And then he pulls off and stops in the carpark at the top of the Rimutakas.
    What was all that about then ?

    Oh well, onwards. No-one in front now and no-one in the mirrors, so I could
    concentrate on the cornering without worrying about other following traffic.

    Half way down the hill to Featherston, I looked in the mirrors to suddenly see
    an Agusta sitting on my tail (he must have been moving), and who followed me
    for a short distance (before deciding to overtake).

    Which was fine, except that we had slightly different ideas as to where a safe
    overtake might be performed. And I don't think immediately before a 25km/hour
    hairpin bend was really quite the right spot.

    As I started to go slightly wide and position for the left hander, he quickly
    swooped out right around the outside of me, dived into the spot that I was
    just moving into, and braked right in front of me.

    Now, I'm an Agusta fan, but "nice Agusta" were not the words I said to myself
    as I braked as well to avoid clipping his tail-end. Please, sir, some patience
    and consideration for your fellow bikers.

    Anyway, I got to Featherston, we re-grouped, and then headed out on a wee
    tootle. And once the cobwebs had been suitably cleared, we then stopped in
    Greytown for a coffee.

    While we were sitting down outside the cafe having a coffee and a sausage roll
    in the sun, some other people came and sat down at an adjoining table. One couple
    had a dog with them, and of course, it took all of two seconds for the dog's radar
    to tune and work out which of us still had a dog offering on our plate. And to sit
    there looking longingly at me.

    The lady owner said not to feed him (how did she even know that I was thinking
    about it ?), and of course, I nodded. At which point I accidentally knocked the
    last portion off my plate, and "Fluffy" (or whatever it was called) then pounced
    and inhaled it before I could even react.

    Which did lead to a slightly uncomfortable silence for a minute or so. Look, I
    did apologise and say I was sorry. It was an accident. Honest. She should have
    kept it on a tighter lead anyway.

    It was time to leave anyway (we'd all finished our coffee), so we hopped back on
    our machines and headed back towards the Hutt.

    It was a lovely morning, and even when I caught up to an Audi Q7 pulling a trailer,
    he moved over slightly to the left (on double yellows, no less) and waved me on
    through. And it would have been rude not to accept his kind offer. I mean, this
    just doesn't happen under normal circumstances.

    And it was still feeling good back on the Rimutakas, when the gentleman in the
    people mover (coming down on the Featherston side) decided to cross the yellow
    line and use some of the tarmac on my side of the road (just as I was about to).
    I happily moved over to accommodate him. How more considerate could you be !

    But the interesting part of the trip occurred just as we got to the turn-off by the
    Silverstream bridge.

    There must have been a custom car meet happening somewhere nearby, as a
    fleet of nicely presented cars started to stream through the intersection on the
    cross signal.

    Two motorcyclists within their group then parked up across the traffic (our lanes)
    and then proceeded to vigorously wave their group through. Yes, we could all see
    that they were simply trying to keep their group together, and that we might miss
    one light change. That's fine. No issue.

    Except that the gentleman at the head of our right hand lane begged to differ,
    and then tried to drive his car around the motorcyclist parked across his lane,
    even to the point of partially mounting the traffic island. Really ?

    At which point, his brain must have engaged and he stopped. What was he going
    to do anyway ? Try and drive through the cross stream of cars, even though we
    had the green light and right of way ? I don't think so.

    The custom cars kept flowing, and once they had finished, the motorcyclists waved
    a cheery "Thanks" to the car drivers that had been inconvenienced and then headed
    off to catch their group.

    However, I was so busy focusing on this event in front of me that I hadn't noticed
    the police car (with flashing red and blue lights) that had stealthed up just to the
    left of me, and who then quickly turned and chased after the custom car group.
    I suspect that a wee conversation might have occurred soon afterwards.

    We had to wait maybe another 15 seconds before the lights turned green for us and
    we were all on our way again. And we were home again by midday. A lovely morning
    out.

    My dearly beloved had some shopping to do, and also wanted a hand to drop off a
    few items at the local recycling bins. So off with the riding gear, and into the car
    (and yes, I did get dressed again in-between).

    Now, for some reason, these recycling bins were also a popular destination today,
    and parking space was limited. We turned in and then backed up to leave some
    space for our fellow recycler (as you do), and there was about 1.5 car lengths
    free space in front of us.

    As we were about to depart, along came a lady who then proceeded to park
    nose-to-nose with us and consume all the free space, to the extent that we
    were now boxed in. Flashed the headlights, raised my hands in plain sight as to
    say "what gives?", and indicate that we simply wanted to exit.

    But No, she exited her car and mouthed something in our direction like "I'll only
    be a minute". Yeh, right. And then proceeded to start unloading the back of her
    car. Instead of simply backing her car up a half car length first.

    And so we waited, and waited. She certainly had managed to get plenty of recycling
    into the back of that car.

    I have to admit that I did think about returning the favour when she was ready to
    leave, but was reliably informed that would simply be confrontational, and not at all
    courteous. "Yes, my love, you're right as always". And not worth getting upset about.


    So, what did I learn today ? That common courtesy is maybe not so common after all,
    and that it is sometimes displayed when you least expect it. Oh, and not to feed the
    dog !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking01 View Post
    Afternoon,
    Get a job.

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    Those with the attention span expected in 2017 are unlikely to have read to the end.

    I didn't either, but I enjoyed what I did read. Both lines of it, in fact.

    One thing I might suggest is to have a point.

    After going back searching for said point, I realised that I had missed the message.

    Here's an idea. Outline your point in the early stages, which will engage the reader, and cause him to understand why he is bothering to read the whole diatribe. Reinforce the point at the end.

    Just a thought. Nicely written, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking01 View Post
    Afternoon,
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    Nice write up. My view is that the ONLY problem we have on our roads is a lack of courtesy. If we all treated each other with courtesy we could decimate the road toll overnight. And, yes, I agree, it damn near makes my day when I see it happen.
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    Common coutesy, its also known as editing a verbose passage.

    To paraphrase your diatribe, you got owned by an Augusta who braked ahrd in fornt of you because he was going faster than you, quite how you thought hat might result in a collsion breaks the rules of physics.
    Some snooty lady wasn't taking any shit from biker dudes at an overpriced café, instead of throwing her pooch into traffic you wimpily 'accidentl;y' feed her dog lol......
    then some unknown person makes a mistake in busy town traffic, whoop de do........

    There are some people who can rant random shit like this while riding and filming and turn it into an interesting VLOG, your missing the interesting aprt and oh the on board footage.....

    Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Those with the attention span expected in 2017 are unlikely to have read to the end.

    I didn't either, but I enjoyed what I did read. Both lines of it, in fact.

    One thing I might suggest is to have a point.

    After going back searching for said point, I realised that I had missed the message.

    Here's an idea. Outline your point in the early stages, which will engage the reader, and cause him to understand why he is bothering to read the whole diatribe. Reinforce the point at the end.

    Just a thought. Nicely written, by the way.

    Well, there has been an interesting set of response so far. Appreciate that
    the post could have been shorter, and a bit more structured (I'll remember
    that for the future, and I'll leave out the gratuitous animal feature ..... 8-)

    The topic was stated in the second paragraph: Common courtesy is maybe not
    so common. I simply gave a few examples of what I saw from just one short ride,
    and let you be the judge.

    What were the point(s) ? Well, I thought they were fairly self evident myself,
    but maybe not so.

    So here goes:

    1. That some drivers (and riders) perform some stupid actions, sometimes quite
    unconsciously (unthinking?) and at other times quite consciously (impatience?).
    Definitely nothing newsworthy.

    But more importantly:

    2. That while training might help to address some of the unconscious aspects,
    perhaps some more consideration and courtesy to other drivers (and riders)
    might also make for a safer road environment overall (and incur a few less
    deaths or injuries along the way).


    Yes, I suppose I could have just said: I went out on a short ride today and

    - Some person tail-gated me most of the way up the Rimutakas;
    - Some person performed an (unexpected) overtaking and braking manoeuvre
    right in front of me, to which I had to take avoiding action;
    - Some person thought it was OK to cut a blind corner on a winding road,
    again requiring some avoiding action;
    - Two persons obstructed traffic briefly in order to allow a large group of
    drivers to navigate a junction, but one of the affected parties reacted
    adversely;
    - Some-one parked in an irresponsible manner and couldn't care less if it
    inconvenienced another driver
    and
    - I was really surprised when one driver went out of their way to let me
    pass them.

    I'm not delicate and I don't need a hug. Thanks all the same.

    It's just that today, looking in hindsight, I couldn't help but notice:

    - The number of events that seemed to arise from impatience, and in some cases
    resulted in some quite aggressive behaviour. And I wasn't consciously looking.

    - In contrast, how good it felt when the Audi driver moved over and waved me
    on through. Thumbs up to that driver !

    Maybe some drive / ride in a more aggressive environment every day than I do,
    and this is nothing new.

    My question is: If we want to teach tolerance (and get drivers to show some
    more consideration and courtesy towards one another), how do we achieve it?

    Because the alternative doesn't seem particularly attractive to me.

    That's all I was trying to convey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Nice write up. My view is that the ONLY problem we have on our roads is a lack of courtesy. If we all treated each other with courtesy we could decimate the road toll overnight. And, yes, I agree, it damn near makes my day when I see it happen.
    Well done. Spot on. Makes the key point that I was trying to make (in my usual
    rambling manner). Thanks.

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    Another thought provoking wee read with my morning coffee.

    Common courtesy, I believe, went out the window when many decided they had "entitlement" granted to them when they got their licence and/or bought the fancy vehicle on the 'never-never' - though more likely the company's lease...


    In answer to your question: "If we want to teach tolerance (and get drivers to show some
    more consideration and courtesy towards one another), how do we achieve it?
    "

    I'd suggest that learning about tolerance begins in the home. However, what often happens in the home is heavily influenced by so many out-of-the-home actions: how people are treated at work, how those who are "leaders" behave, how particular actions are portrayed in the media, what is shown on television, internet and films and so on. Behaviour that was once frowned upon is now acceptable to so many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    Common courtesy, I believe, went out the window when many decided they had "entitlement" granted to them when they got their licence and/or bought the fancy vehicle on the 'never-never' - though more likely the company's lease...
    I blame participation certificates.
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    Courtesy, motherfuckers.
    Do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    I'd suggest that learning about tolerance begins in the home. However, what often happens in the home is heavily influenced by so many out-of-the-home actions: how people are treated at work, how those who are "leaders" behave, how particular actions are portrayed in the media, what is shown on television, internet and films and so on. Behaviour that was once frowned upon is now acceptable to so many.

    Probably something to do with all the "individualism" going on as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Probably something to do with all the "individualism" going on as well.
    Nothing wrong with seeing one's self as an individual. The problem comes when we treat others as inferior because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    ........

    There are some people who can rant random shit like this while riding and filming .....
    Quite interesting and entertaining but I gave up about half way through. I guess he must have had plenty of experience to be able to display that level of verbal diarrhea while riding like that. The monologue did kinda remind me of ad on telly of the stoned dude with the multiple PhD's mentally debating the purpose of the world's oceans, but I guess if he's managed to still stay alive and in one piece after all this time he's not riding with ice or weedbrain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Nothing wrong with seeing one's self as an individual. The problem comes when we treat others as inferior because of it.

    Of course we are all individuals, but ignoring social rules like courtesy etc because of an inflated sense of it (hence "individualism" in my previous post), is what appears too common.

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