Engine Size Questions

[Drew]

Of course not, it's been partly prepared for racing has a stand and $4k's worth of riding gear, and may or may not have been honed.

Other than lock wire in the holes I drilled, I don't think anything else needs to be done for race prep. Hmmm, has stuff fallen of them already?

[jellywrestler]

Other than lock wire in the holes I drilled, I don't think anything else needs to be done for race prep. Hmmm, has stuff fallen of them already?

have you even looked at a rule book?

[Drew]

have you even looked at a rule book?

Not for these, no. Why, what else do they need?

[Bert]

Absolutely.

One could be the legal protest problem of having a skinny kid cleaning up with a bike that is technically ineligible.

Or the skinny kid on an ineligible bike taking down the championship leader.

Or the newbie skinny kid on a technically ineligible bike causing harm and injury thereby exposing the organizers to legal liability, something of a real problem in these OHS times.

And another was pointing out that for cart tracks they could not be totally standard bikes but would have to be properly nylon-ed for track protection.

Earlier in this thread I read comments from Bucketters who in spite of any technical problems, would be open to the idea.

And so maybe the real biggie is the perceived attitude of some who have gone about promoting/pushing the idea and that seems to have eroded quite a bit of the natural goodwill that Bucketters generally welcome newbies with.
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Sorry TZ, this didn’t answer the question about how are these bikes ineligible under the current chapter16 rules. Given that is what permits are likely referencing.
MNZ Permits provide the Insurance.
Clubs have the right to write their own class rules, could that be where some of the tension is coming from; people mixing up club rules vs. MNZ rules?

But I also get the approach has ruffled a few feathers, but surely this was done with the best intentions towards/for the riders.


I do get the questions about track protection. But that is resolvable by the sounds of things.



Fact is, th ese kids need seat time and a good environment to develop riding skills.

That’s what all clubs should be striving for.

[Kickaha]

Fact is, th ese kids need seat time and a good environment to develop riding skills.

Bucket racing fucktards clearly fall well fucking short since you all get sandy vaginas about the bike Suzuki are taking a loss on to provide.

Cocks. Fucktards the fucking lot of ya. Eat shit and fucking die cunts.

Fuck off you queer cunt, if they don't meet the rules they're not eligible to race with Buckets

[Kickaha]

Clubs have the right to write their own class rules, could that be where some of the tension is coming from; people mixing up club rules vs. MNZ rules?


They can do supplementary regs for anything they want to run but those can't override MNZ rules

[Drew]

Fuck off you queer cunt, if they don't meet the rules they're not eligible to race with Buckets

Really, you can prove that I haven't honed any one of the bikes that have been sold?

[Kickaha]

Really, you can prove that I haven't honed any one of the bikes that have been sold?

Honing isn't reboring, so hone it all you want it still doesn't make it legal

[Drew]

They can do supplementary regs for anything they want to run but those can't override MNZ rules

No. But that doesn't stop organisers trying it on.

[jellywrestler]

I do get the questions about track protection. But that is resolvable by the sounds of things.




tell me one bike that comes out stock that meets track protection rules? these are no different to any other bike so it shouldn't even be tabled.

[jellywrestler]

Not for these, no. Why, what else do they need?

someone to read the rulebook. it's not rocket surgery, all these newcomers need to pick up a set of rules and study them, as do you it seems.

[Drew]

Honing isn't reboring, so hone it all you want it still doesn't make it legal

Bullshit. The rule doesn't state how material gets removed to fit the over bore section.

Once the bore is altered (honing removes material, whether it alters the bore size or not) it is bucket legal.

[Drew]

someone to read the rulebook. it's not rocket surgery, all these newcomers need to pick up a set of rules and study them, as do you it seems.
I have nothing to do with any person or team running one of these bikes.

[sidecar bob]

Honing isn't reboring, so hone it all you want it still doesn't make it legal

This would have to be the most fucking retarded rule in the history of racing, so I guess it fits right in with bucket racing.
You can't race against us unless you make your bike faster.
Once again, the bucket people have their heads jammed firmly up their ring pieces.
If somebody leaves their engine intact, they will modify nothing. If some retarded rule forces them to pull it to bits
A. it costs money that would otherwise not need to be spent, completely flying in the face of why bucket racing was invented in the first place, however with $11,000 buckets appearing on trademe, clearly that reason has long been forgotten.
B. If people are forced to pull their engines open, they won't just rebore them, they will raise the compression, port them, dial in the cams etc etc & make them faster. How does that help fellow competitors? Including the ones that are wanting it upheld.
Wouldn't it be better to just shut up & leave well enough alone? I appreciate the mentality we are working with, so probably not.

[Drew]

This would have to be the most fucking retarded rule in the history of racing, so I guess it fits right in with bucket racing.
You can't race against us unless you make your bike faster.
Once again, the bucket people have their heads jammed firmly up their ring pieces.
If somebody leaves their engine intact, they will modify nothing. If some retarded rule forces them to pull it to bits
A. it costs money that would otherwise not need to be spent, completely flying in the face of why bucket racing was invented in the first place, however with $11,000 buckets appearing on trademe, clearly that reason has long been forgotten.
B. If people are forced to pull their engines open, they won't just rebore them, they will raise the compression, port them, dial in the cams etc etc & make them faster. How does that help fellow competitors? Including the ones that are wanting it upheld.
Wouldn't it be better to just shut up & leave well enough alone. I appreciate the mentality we are working with, so probably not.
I said I'd provide a receipt for a hone. What changes hands and whether I need to actually sight the bike is between the owner and myself.

[TZ350]

332291 Chapter 16 - F4 and F5 Bucket racing rules.

332292 Fuel

332293 Appendix A - Championship classes, first page has oversize allowances for F4 and F5

Appendix A has the capacity and oversize allowances.


I do get the questions about track protection. But that is resolvable by the sounds of things.

Yes, sounds like its a non issue, or at least fixable.


But I also get the approach has ruffled a few feathers, but surely this was done with the best intentions towards/for the riders.

Yes, that's my guess.

[jellywrestler]

I have nothing to do with any person or team running one of these bikes.

so then, since you have spent so much time preparing these bikes why not, just for shits and giggles, spend a few minutes reading the rules and drawing your own conclusions?

[jellywrestler]

But I also get the approach has ruffled a few feathers, real men don't have feathers.

[jasonu]

why not, just for shits and giggles, spend a few minutes reading the rules and drawing your own conclusions?

You mean like these premier REAL bike racers who all read the rules and know the book by heart so there is never any confusion or miss understandings when something slightly out of the ordinary happens...???

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/182391-2017-NZSBK-Superbike-Championship-on-hold

[Grumph]

Not for these, no. Why, what else do they need?

Even if they're a one bike class, they still have to meet the rules in the book.
If they're doing Wanganui have they been fitted with a pull-out killswitch ?
They're a national class, have they got a shark fin fitted ? Has anyone at MNZ ruled as to whether they need one ?

If I was scrutineering at the first formal outing for the class, I'd want to have this shit clarified before I passed the first one.

Yes, getting new bums on seats is a praiseworthy aim. But personally, I don't like the way this has been done. If as has been said, the development class had the largest entries last season but is now being dropped in favour of a one make series, where are the development competitors going ?
I suspect that a lot of those guys won't be back at national level.

[haydes55]

More important question. Can't buckets not use engines from competition motorcycles? Can you then use motocross engines if you can use these factory race bikes?

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[Yow Ling]

At least buckets have rules regarding reboring. Gixer cup bikes have no such restriction so can be bored to any size that there is a genuine suzuki piston to fit. Seems like a bit of an open door there.
Nothing there to stop you regrinding the stock cams or slotting the cam sprockets, machining the cylinder faces, this may as well be buckets

Oh hang on "All parts and functions must remain as per Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) specifications unless stated otherwise." so that means you cant do any of that shit , including reboring, so Drews honing is reboring is out the window. But really who is going to check. MNZ wont they havnt even sorted out this years superbike results

[Yow Ling]

More important question. Can't buckets not use engines from competition motorcycles? Can you then use motocross engines if you can use these factory race bikes?

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No Buckets cant not use competition engines, but the rules allow some competition parts to be used

[jellywrestler]

Can you then use motocross engines if you can use these factory race bikes?

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk factory race bikes???? get up to speed before you pull onto the motorway mate.

[jellywrestler]

MNZ wont they havnt even sorted out this years superbike results

incorrect, it's now in the hands of the sports tribunal, again

[haydes55]

factory race bikes???? get up to speed before you pull onto the motorway mate.Are they being sold, by the factory as a race bike? For a race series?

I remember the debate a while back about not allowing Forza pit bike engines because some advertising mentioned racing and some mx tracks have pit bike racing.

I know these are hardly Moto3 machines. But what makes the gsxr150 cup any less a race series than pit bike races?

What's your definition of a "race bike"?

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[jellywrestler]

for Drew, he seems to be able to read everything on here, but nowhere else, and others interested.

APPENDIX K – GIXXER Cup 150 Regulations (Road)

This class allows a single make competition supported by Suzuki NZ Ltd., for standard
GSXR150 machines with minimum levels of modification required for safety purposes.

This class has restricted rider entry age between 14 and 21 years old as of January 1st for
that competition year.

Riders must not have been placed in the top 5 finishing positions in any national
championship road race (other than the GIXXER 150 class) prior to the start of the current
National Championship.

The appearance from both front, rear and the profile of GIXXER CUP 150 motorcycles must
(except when otherwise stated) conform to the homologated shape (as originally
produced by the manufacturer).

All parts and functions must remain as per Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM)
specifications unless stated otherwise.

1.0 Specification
1.1 The model code for eligibility in the GIXXER cup is GSX150FDZAL7.
A list of VIN numbers and engine number will be supplied to MNZ by Suzuki New
Zealand Limited for qualifying units.

1.2 Control Tyres for GIXXER are:
110/70-17R AL-13HF DUNLOP FRONT
140/60-17R AL-13H DUNLOP REAR

1.3 Valve clearance must be within the OEM specification.

1.4 Only Suzuki genuine parts manufactured for the GSX150FDZAL7 can be used to
make repairs to the motorcycle. Exceptions will be the drive chain, tyres, oils and
other items listed in the following rules.

1.5 Fuel specification as per 10.21a

1.6 Carburettor re-jetting is allowed.

1.7 Steel or aluminium spacers may be used to increase spring pre-load in the front or
rear suspension. These must have no other functionality other than to space the
spring.

1.8 Minimum weight of motorcycle and fully equipped rider combined 200kg. Ballast
weight is to be bolted to the centre stand mounts.

1.9 Number placement and size to be as per 10.2a.
The numbers will be allocated by Suzuki NZ Ltd starting with the number 11.

©Motorcycling New Zealand Incorporated 2017
Manual of Motorcycle Sport - Road
1.10 Full exhaust system replacement with aftermarket or other components is
allowed.

1.11 A fluid catch bottle must be fitted to collect any fluid overflow. Radiator, fuel and
crankcase overflow pipes must discharge into the fluid catch bottle.

2.0 The following parts must be removed:
● Indicators
● Tail light and rear indicator/number plate bracket
● Mirrors and reflectors
● Standard tyres
● Kick start lever only, not internal parts
● Rear pillion pegs and L/H pillion foot peg bracket
● Headlight
● Side Stand
● Centre Stand

3.0 A chain guard or shark fin made of suitable material MUST be fitted in such a way
to prevent trapping between the lower chain run and the final drive sprocket at
the rear wheel. The leading edge of this guard must be a minimum thickness of 3
mm and have a rounded edge to avoid this causing any injury in the event of a
fall. Machines where swingarm shape or positioning prevents fitment are
exempted (for example Yamaha R1).

4.0 All exposed lateral engine cases containing water or oil must be guarded from
contact with the road surface in the event of a crash. The guard may be of a
second cover made from suitable materials such as Carbon/Kevlar or suitable
plastics or with heavy duty end cases or crash bars made from aluminium, steel or
nylon. A frame mounted crash knob or a similar effective protector can be fitted
as an alternative. All of these devices must be designed to be resistant against
sudden shocks, abrasions and crash damage.

5.0 For machines homologated with lower fairing, must be fitted with an integral
lower fairing dam (Belly Pan) or separate catch tray which must be constructed
and fitted to trap and hold engine oil and coolant with a capacity of not less than,
four strokes =3.5 litres or two strokes =2.5 litres with no less than 2x25mm holes (1
front 1 rear) which will be fitted with rubber grommets that may be removed in
wet conditions.

[Drew]

Even if they're a one bike class, they still have to meet the rules in the book.
If they're doing Wanganui have they been fitted with a pull-out killswitch ?
They're a national class, have they got a shark fin fitted ? Has anyone at MNZ ruled as to whether they need one ?

If I was scrutineering at the first formal outing for the class, I'd want to have this shit clarified before I passed the first one.

Yes, getting new bums on seats is a praiseworthy aim. But personally, I don't like the way this has been done. If as has been said, the development class had the largest entries last season but is now being dropped in favour of a one make series, where are the development competitors going ?
I suspect that a lot of those guys won't be back at national level.
They are fitted with a shark fin. They do need a lanyard for the streets.

This is all spelt out in the rules that I haven't read.

Well, the lanyard rule is covered in the section of the rules pertaining to racing on closed public roads.

[Grumph]

Very good...so it's fit a pipe and rejet. Some latitude there for the dyno operators...
Plus run the minimum amount of lightest possible full synthetic oil - and dyno the various available oil filters.
Don't believe me about the filters ? In a car I'm told it can be quite a difference.

These things are going to be hunting for every possible last part of a HP.

Edit - just had a close re-read and can see a possible fruitful - but legal - boost.... Details supplied on receipt of cheque.

[jellywrestler]

Very good...so it's fit a pipe and rejet. .

they come with a nz made pipe, and rejetted, although already people are building their own pipes to try.

[Kickaha]

Bullshit. The rule doesn't state how material gets removed to fit the over bore section.

Once the bore is altered (honing removes material, whether it alters the bore size or not) it is bucket legal.

The rule says "rebore limit, maybe you need to research the difference between reboring and honing becaue you don't seen to understand it, the bike would still be stock bore and stroke which make it ineligible



This would have to be the most fucking retarded rule in the history of racing, so I guess it fits right in with bucket racing.
You can't race against us unless you make your bike faster.
Once again, the bucket people have their heads jammed firmly up their ring pieces.
If somebody leaves their engine intact, they will modify nothing. If some retarded rule forces them to pull it to bits
A. it costs money that would otherwise not need to be spent, completely flying in the face of why bucket racing was invented in the first place, however with $11,000 buckets appearing on trademe, clearly that reason has long been forgotten.
B. If people are forced to pull their engines open, they won't just rebore them, they will raise the compression, port them, dial in the cams etc etc & make them faster. How does that help fellow competitors? Including the ones that are wanting it upheld.
Wouldn't it be better to just shut up & leave well enough alone? I appreciate the mentality we are working with, so probably not.

Are you trying to outcunt Drew? you need to step it up a bit because you're lagging way behind him

No one is saying they can't race against us unless they make their bike faster, they're saying make it legal for the class if you want to race us

$11,000 buckets on TM? how many of those are actually appearing?

All it needs is for someone too put a remit in increasing the legal cc limit to what is already allowed for the overbore with no extra provision for overbores and they're eligible


I said I'd provide a receipt for a hone. What changes hands and whether I need to actually sight the bike is between the owner and myself.

So you're happy for people to cheat and run illegal bikes then?

[AllanB]

Plus run the minimum amount of lightest possible full synthetic oil - and dyno the various available oil filters.
Don't believe me about the filters ? In a car I'm told it can be quite a difference.

These things are going to be hunting for every possible last part of a HP.


Interesting. Must be about oil flow restriction?

So ...... remove and bypass the oil filter, no restriction. It's a race bike - change the oil each race weekend.

[Drew]

The rule says "rebore limit, maybe you need to research the difference between reboring and honing becaue you don't seen to understand it, the bike would still be stock bore and stroke which make it ineligible


So you're happy for people to cheat and run illegal bikes then?It doesn't say that the bore and stroke can't remain standard. It says that if you are altering the bore then the max CC limit is higher.

If that's what it took for these kids to be allowed to ride at a bucket meeting, then yeah. Happy to help.

[Drew]

Interesting. Must be about oil flow restriction?

So ...... remove and bypass the oil filter, no restriction. It's a race bike - change the oil each race weekend.

Yeah. Just how hard it is to turn the pump.

[Yow Ling]

Yeah. Just how hard it is to turn the pump.

That will depend on the oilpump flow rate l/min
the oil pressure
oil viscosity
and the pump efficiency

its just maths

[Yow Ling]

Interesting. Must be about oil flow restriction?

So ...... remove and bypass the oil filter, no restriction. It's a race bike - change the oil each race weekend.

The rules dont allow you to remove the oil filter "All parts and functions must remain as per Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM)
specifications unless stated otherwise."

[Kickaha]

If that's what it took for these kids to be allowed to ride at a bucket meeting, then yeah. Happy to help.
So are you happy for everyone else in every other class to cheat as well?

Just get the fucking rule changed

[husaberg]

So are you happy for everyone else in every other class to cheat as well?

Just get the fucking rule changed

He certainly seemed to have an issue with cheating when it was Shaun who admitted he had (of his own volition)
It was handbags at dawn...............
<strike></strike>

[Grumph]

Drew - is there any alternative gearing supplied with them ? Chain type/brand is free I see but no mention of alternative sprockets.

[Drew]

Drew - is there any alternative gearing supplied with them ? Chain type/brand is free I see but no mention of alternative sprockets.
Standard chain and sprockets is all they went out with.

[Drew]

So are you happy for everyone else in every other class to cheat as well?

Just get the fucking rule changedSomeone who wants to actually compete in the class can submit the rule. I'm saying that if clubs wouldn't let them run to help the kids out, it can be worked around.


He certainly seemed to have an issue with cheating when it was Shaun who admitted he had (of his own volition)
It was handbags at dawn...............
<strike></strike>Cheating isn't on. No matter how you look at it.

I don't think honing the bike so as to make it fit the existing rule is cheating. I interpret the written rule to mean that once material is taken off the cylinder, it is of a bucket legal size.

Whether anyone agrees or not doesn't bother me. Protest it if it happens, or don't bitch.

The bike isn't a competitive bucket, and won't be eligible for the Gixxer cup races if it was made competitive.

I reckon the bucket clubs would let them run provided they are kart track friendly, so this is all just us beating our chests for fuck all.

[husaberg]

Someone who wants to actually compete in the class can submit the rule. I'm saying that if clubs wouldn't let them run to help the kids out, it can be worked around.

Cheating isn't on. No matter how you look at it.

I don't think honing the bike so as to make it fit the existing rule is cheating. I interpret the written rule to mean that once material is taken off the cylinder, it is of a bucket legal size.

Whether anyone agrees or not doesn't bother me. Protest it if it happens, or don't bitch.

The bike isn't a competitive bucket, and won't be eligible for the Gixxer cup races if it was made competitive.

I reckon the bucket clubs would let them run provided they are kart track friendly, so this is all just us beating our chests for fuck all.

What you were suggesting you would do was cheating Drew.

I said I'd provide a receipt for a hone. What changes hands and whether I need to actually sight the bike is between the owner and myself.

So you're happy for people to cheat and run illegal bikes then?

If that's what it took for these kids to be allowed to ride at a bucket meeting, then yeah. Happy to help.


As it stands they don't meet the rules. Like you said they might not be competive.... but thats irelevent...
Your posturing would be better received if you asked for a remit of the rules.
Beating your chest and alienating bucket racers, who unlike you actually know the rules is not going to help your cause at all.

[Drew]

Beating your chest and alienating bucket racers, who unlike you actually know the rules is not going to help your cause at all.

Bullshit. You think your interpretation of the rule is correct, I think mine is.

That you fucktards think that your class is somehow special and feel the need to bitch about the Gixxers, suggests the kids are better off staying away from it anyway.

[husaberg]

Bullshit. You think your interpretation of the rule is correct, I think mine is.
That you fucktards think that your class is somehow special and feel the need to bitch about the Gixxers, suggests the kids are better off staying away from it anyway.
Drew you admitted it yourself you never even read the rules.............
Way to go Drew why not alienate a whole class........:lol:

[Drew]

Drew you admitted it yourself you never even read the rules.............
Way to go Drew why not alienate a whole class........:lol:
I said I hadn't read the rules specific to the gixxer class.

Why do I care if I alienate the bucket class? Who gives a shit? I can't stand the bulk of you cocks, and the feeling seems to be reciprocated.

[husaberg]

I said I hadn't read the rules specific to the gixxer class.

Why do I care if I alienate the bucket class? Who gives a shit? I can't stand the bulk of you cocks, and the feeling seems to be reciprocated.
Yet you are preping bikes for that class..................
Well you have a long history of going off half cocked
So as you don't seem to think F4 and F5 are relevent Don't expect anyone to go out of their way to help you then Drew.
Its been pointed out numerous times to you and Slone what the issue is, Its also been pointed out how to rectify it, either put on your big boys pants and submit a remit, or accept its not legal.
Why don't you run your posts on the subject past Suzuki NZ and see what they say about how you are acting.
I am sure they will be tickled pink about it.

[jasonu]

Are they being sold, by the factory as a race bike? For a race series?

I remember the debate a while back about not allowing Forza pit bike engines because some advertising mentioned racing and some mx tracks have pit bike racing.

I know these are hardly Moto3 machines. But what makes the gsxr150 cup any less a race series than pit bike races?

What's your definition of a "race bike"?

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Try reading the class rules

[jellywrestler]

Are they being sold, by the factory as a race bike? For a race series?

god help us! they are being sold by Suzuki New Zealand as a track prepared bike that is a legally sold road bike, apart from the exhaust pipe everything else has been modified solely to suit racing, and costs associated with crashing,
couldn't be further from a factory race bike

[TZ350]

Are they being sold, by the factory as a race bike?


No. ...... https://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycles/Model/gsx150f/street

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[Drew]

Yet you are preping bikes for that class..................
Well you have a long history of going off half cocked
So as you don't seem to think F4 and F5 are relevent Don't expect anyone to go out of their way to help you then Drew.
Its been pointed out numerous times to you and Slone what the issue is, Its also been pointed out how to rectify it, either put on your big boys pants and submit a remit, or accept its not legal.
Why don't you run your posts on the subject past Suzuki NZ and see what they say about how you are acting.
I am sure they will be tickled pink about it.

I assembled the bikes with parts provided. That's it.

I have nothing to do with the class, riders, or organisers. I can say what I fucken like. Any cock that takes my opinion and applies it to Suzuki has bigger issues than being a bucket racing tard.

[TZ350]

can you show me one example of a bucket racer that except for the nylon add ons is totally standard?

Ok so seat and number board aren't std, but:-

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Quote and picture is for no other reason than I like the picture of Henk on his basically stock FXR150 carving through the puddles. Henks motto is "Stock is Best", he goes pretty well too.

[Grumph]

Standard buckets...oh dear. Now you've triggered a memory.

In the SI there was once a series called the South Island Cup - with the matching SI Saucer too, LOL.
In the first season it was run, they included a standard buckets class in their wisdom...
This was held at the 3 SI major circuits - so not Kart tracks - and the buckets were on the programme as a separate class like the others run, F1, 2, 3 etc.
To make up the numbers, Russell Bleach dragged out a Suzuki A100 (I think) which he hadn't got around to modifying yet. Actually quite tidy too.
So lights and stands off it, numbers on and off we went with a van full of bikes - he ran at least 3 classes.

At the end of the series, the only competitor with a full slate of class wins was Russ with the std bucket. Much to his embarassment he won the inaugural SI Cup on an unmodified road 100.

[Drew]

Standard buckets...oh dear. Now you've triggered a memory.

In the SI there was once a series called the South Island Cup - with the matching SI Saucer too, LOL.
In the first season it was run, they included a standard buckets class in their wisdom...
This was held at the 3 SI major circuits - so not Kart tracks - and the buckets were on the programme as a separate class like the others run, F1, 2, 3 etc.
To make up the numbers, Russell Bleach dragged out a Suzuki A100 (I think) which he hadn't got around to modifying yet. Actually quite tidy too.
So lights and stands off it, numbers on and off we went with a van full of bikes - he ran at least 3 classes.

At the end of the series, the only competitor with a full slate of class wins was Russ with the std bucket. Much to his embarassment he won the inaugural SI Cup on an unmodified road 100.
No different to most classed in New Zealand.

Finish every race in the top half of the field and your a too five contender.

[husaberg]

I assembled the bikes with parts provided. That's it.

I have nothing to do with the class, riders, or organisers. I can say what I fucken like. Any cock that takes my opinion and applies it to Suzuki has bigger issues than being a bucket racing tard.

Its pretty clear its your own issue here Drew.
If youre not worried about how you are acting bringing Suzuki NZ into disrepute, simply show it to them.
See if they share your views.


These air-cooled, four-stroke, single-cylinder, fully-faired GSX150F bikes have been prepared in Suzuki's workshop by Suzuki's national superbike champion Sloan Frost.
So how much in that statement above is actually true:corn:

[sidecar bob]

Ok so seat and number board aren't std, but:-

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Quote and picture is for no other reason than I like the picture of Henk on his basically stock FXR150 carving through the puddles. Henks motto is "Stock is Best", he goes pretty well too.

I see your child's bike & raise you an adults bike.
Your chap's chaps knee seems to have a problem, does he not like riding in the wet?
And the photoshopping is noteworthy. If you hadn't added the water up inside his right arm it could almost be plausible, as it has no source.

Jay Lawrence, Manfield.
See what water looks like when it's not photoshopped?

[Drew]

Its pretty clear its your own issue here Drew.
If youre not worried about how you are acting bringing Suzuki NZ into disrepute, simply show it to them.
See if they share your views.


So how much in that statement above is actually true:corn:

I work for Sloan. So by extension...

[Yow Ling]

I work for Sloan. So by extension...

...... you have an enormous ego and expect every word from your mouth to be taken as read from the bible

Cool game this, I hope others will also have a go, we can start one for sideshow bob as well

[sidecar bob]

...... you have an enormous ego and expect every word from your mouth to be taken as read from the bible

we can start one for sideshow bob as well

Why? Because I call you dopey cunts on your bullshit?

[husaberg]

I work for Sloan. So by extension...
I would say that extension... is more akin to drawing a long bow.........

[Drew]

...... you have an enormous ego and expect every word from your mouth to be taken as read from the bible

Cool game this, I hope others will also have a go, we can start one for sideshow bob as well
I'm not in the same league as Sloan on a bike. His success has absolutely nothing to do with me.

I make no such claim about what I say.

I am more open about my shortcomings and issues than anyone I've read on here.

I own my mistakes and credit those who correct me.

How does any of that add up to your statement?

I would say that extension... is more akin to drawing a long bow.........

The reference is lost on me.

I am not Sloan. But by having his employee do the work to as high or higher standard, the Suzuki claim is accurate.

Is it a requirement for you cunts not to hav3 any reading comprehension?
Is that why I'm terrible at riding buckets? Nah, can't be that becaus3 me ok mate Malcolm gets along alright on one, and he's proper clever.

[husaberg]

The reference is lost on me.

No shit............
<marquee>WHOOOOOOOOOOOOSH</marquee>

I am not Sloan. But by having his employee do the work to as high or higher standard, the Suzuki claim is accurate.
No if or buts. you were actually right the first time you are indeed not Sloan.....


Is it a requirement for you cunts not to hav3 any reading comprehension?.
So lets get this straight, You don't know what the saying drawing a long bow means and you then attempt to demean others comprehension skills.
I quiver with anticipation awaiting your next sharp barb.

[Drew]

You don't know what the saying drawing a long bow means and you then attempt to demean others comprehension skills.

Ah. Not recognising some ancient turn of phrase, but then doing my best to address it from context shows a lack of comprehension.

I stand by what I said.

[Kickaha]

That you fucktards think that your class is somehow special and feel the need to bitch about the Gixxers, suggests the kids are better off staying away from it anyway.
No more special than other class that doesn't want ineligible bikes racing in it


Drew you admitted it yourself you never even read the rules...........:
You can't read the rules if you can't read



Why do I care if I alienate the bucket class? Who gives a shit? I can't stand the bulk of you cocks, and the feeling seems to be reciprocated.
I doubt you've met the bulk of them

[sidecar bob]

Cool, my family's Christmas cards just turned up from Drew.

[Drew]

I doubt you've met the bulk of them
Good point.

And if I think about it, with only one or two exceptions the ones that I do know are good cunts.

I shall remind myself more often that KB is a long way off an accurate reference for any group of bikers.

[husaberg]

Ah. Not recognising some ancient turn of phrase, but then doing my best to address it from context shows a lack of comprehension.

I stand by what I said.
Time Will Tell Drew, buy i am pretty sure you are well off target.
You are failing to see the multiple drawbacks regarding your position.

[Drew]

Time Will Tell Drew, buy i am pretty sure you are well off target.
You are failing to see the multiple drawbacks regarding your position.

Choosing to ignore them to make an obnoxious argument, is not the same as ignorance.

It's way worse.

[husaberg]

Choosing to ignore them to make an obnoxious argument, is not the same as ignorance.

It's way worse.
Drew while you might consider yourself a straight shooter but you are going off half cocked failing to score any points.

[TZ350]

333337
the photoshopping is noteworthy. If you hadn't added the water up inside his right arm it could almost be plausible, as it has no source.
333336
Jay Lawrence, Manfield. See what water looks like when it's not photoshopped?

Follow the water coming up from Henks front wheel. Your Jay Lawrence photo is pretty impressive too.

[jellywrestler]

can you show me one example of a bucket racer that except for the nylon add ons is totally standard?


Ok so seat and number board aren't std, but:-

doesn't look like standard paint either on the tank etc i'll repeat my request, can you show me one example of a bucket racer that except for the nylon is totally standard?

[Drew]

Drew while you might consider yourself a straight shooter but you are going off half cocked failing to score any points.

Who the fuck am I meant to score points with? Why am I meant to try and score points? Where is a list of points scored for whatever reason?

This place is of NO consequence. Anyone in a position to act on anything said and does so, can lick my sweaty fucking ball sack after I go for a run.

This is a forum of fuckwits, sounding off on whatever fucks with our wits. We speak for none of the biking community, and could all drop dead tomorrow and not one fucking thing would be different with the world.

Stop taking it so seriously ya fucken bell end. Nobody bloody cares.

[Yow Ling]

Who the fuck am I meant to score points with? Why am I meant to try and score points? Where is a list of points scored for whatever reason?

This place is of NO consequence. Anyone in a position to act on anything said and does so, can lick my sweaty fucking ball sack after I go for a run.

This is a forum of fuckwits, sounding off on whatever fucks with our wits. We speak for none of the biking community, and could all drop dead tomorrow and not one fucking thing would be different with the world.

Stop taking it so seriously ya fucken bell end. Nobody bloody cares.

A good archer is not known by his arrows, but his aim.

[TZ350]

doesn't look like standard paint either on the tank etc i'll repeat my request, can you show me one example of a bucket racer that except for the nylon is totally standard?

Yes, sure looks like your right about the paint, and it was only an excuss to post that picture of Henk. So I am not sure what your real point is but I will look at the next meeting Sunday week. (the Mt Wellington 2 hour).

[Grumph]

A good archer is not known by his arrows, but his aim.

Now you're just pulling his string - let it go....

[jellywrestler]

Yes, sure looks like your right about the paint, and it was only an excuss to post that picture of Henk. So I am not sure what your real point is but I will look at the next meeting Sunday week. (the Mt Wellington 2 hour).

my point was somewhere here people were grizzling that the gixxers would be not suitable for kart treacks as they weren't nyloned up.
my point was nothing comes nyloned up, and every race bike ever has required work to prep it for the track, even if it is just tape up the lights,

[jellywrestler]

A good archer is not known by his arrows, but his aim.

they guy who runs our local dairy does archery, he specialises in shooting an apple on someones head, his name is william Patel

[Yow Ling]

my point was somewhere here people were grizzling that the gixxers would be not suitable for kart treacks as they weren't nyloned up.
my point was nothing comes nyloned up, and every race bike ever has required work to prep it for the track, even if it is just tape up the lights,

The point was that they were not suitable for bucket racing as they exceeded the capacity rules. Thats all.

Funny thing is they are most welcome to run in the Supersport 150 class, which is where the Christchurch buckets run at MCI, they just dont get scored as buckets

[mr bucketracer]

The point was that they were not suitable for bucket racing as they exceeded the capacity rules. Thats all.

Funny thing is they are most welcome to run in the Supersport 150 class, which is where the Christchurch buckets run at MCI, they just dont get scored as bucketsthats it in a nut shell , why was there a thread started in here about 5 stroke engines ? never heard of one ...lol , anyway suzuki just do want they want and always get there way so no need to talk about it

[Kickaha]

Anyone in a position to act on anything said and does so, can lick my sweaty fucking ball sack after I go for a run.

You running? you'd be lucky if you could do a fast walk

[husaberg]

doesn't look like standard paint either on the tank etc i'll repeat my request, can you show me one example of a bucket racer that except for the nylon is totally standard?
Phtttfff That paint is actually stock standard.
(Stocked at bunnings in standard colours........)


Now you're just pulling his string - let it go....

Drew tells us he has many strings to his bow............
He certainly a bit highly strung ATM

[jellywrestler]

The point was that they were not suitable for bucket racing as they exceeded the capacity rules. Thats all.

, no, this was my response to people saying they were not suitable for buckets because they could damage the track having not been 'nyloned up'
it's called clutching at straws.

[mr bucketracer]

, no, this was my response to people saying they were not suitable for buckets because they could damage the track having not been 'nyloned up'
it's called clutching at straws.the point is , you have to start under size to go over sized , these's are 154cc no just under 150 , you know i dont give a shit , one raced in wellwood on the kart track in the weekend ..all good, why would this thread be started with smoke and mirrers ? just spit it out , do you guys mined if rules were changed to alow theses new gsf150s to race with buckets ,

[jellywrestler]

the point is , you have to start under size to go over sized , these's are 154cc no just under 150 ,
,
i've never disputed that, just all the other stuff people seem to chuck at this thread.

[Drew]

the point is , you have to start under size to go over sized , these's are 154cc no just under 150 , you know i dont give a shit , one raced in wellwood on the kart track in the weekend ..all good, why would this thread be started with smoke and mirrers ? just spit it out , do you guys mined if rules were changed to alow theses new gsf150s to race with buckets ,
If you could just point to the rule that says you have to start undersize.

[timg]

If you could just point to the rule that says you have to start undersize.

Appendex A

MINIATURE ROAD RACING New Zealand Miniature Road Race Grand Prix: Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes: F4 2 stroke 55-100cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc 4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled Sidecars shall have one engine capacity class: 2 stroke 55-100cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be: F4 2 stroke 55-110cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc 4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc F5 2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc 4 stroke 0-100cc - 104cc

Your 154cc Gixxer doesn’t meet the 55-150 capacity rule.

[Yow Ling]

Appendex A

MINIATURE ROAD RACING New Zealand Miniature Road Race Grand Prix: Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes: F4 2 stroke 55-100cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc 4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled Sidecars shall have one engine capacity class: 2 stroke 55-100cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be: F4 2 stroke 55-110cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc 4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc F5 2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc 4 stroke 0-100cc - 104cc

Your 154cc Gixxer doesn’t meet the 55-150 capacity rule.

Waste of time Tim , Drew cant read or comprehend rules

[husaberg]

Who the fuck am I meant to score points with? Why am I meant to try and score points? Where is a list of points scored for whatever reason?

This place is of NO consequence. Anyone in a position to act on anything said and does so, can lick my sweaty fucking ball sack after I go for a run.

This is a forum of fuckwits, sounding off on whatever fucks with our wits. We speak for none of the biking community, and could all drop dead tomorrow and not one fucking thing would be different with the world.

Stop taking it so seriously ya fucken bell end. Nobody bloody cares.

Would you get to the point, Case what you have pointed out thus far is far from a bullseye, you are just being arrogant It almost sounds like you feel you are suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.

[mr bucketracer]

i've never disputed that, just all the other stuff people seem to chuck at this thread.did not say you did not . Just had spell it out to some people that think a hone will fix it lol

[husaberg]

did not say you did not . Just had spell it out to some people that think a hone will fix it lol
Hone hone on the range where the deer and the Antelope play

[Drew]

Appendex A

MINIATURE ROAD RACING New Zealand Miniature Road Race Grand Prix: Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes: F4 2 stroke 55-100cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc 4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled Sidecars shall have one engine capacity class: 2 stroke 55-100cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be: F4 2 stroke 55-110cc 2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc 4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc F5 2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc 4 stroke 0-100cc - 104cc

Your 154cc Gixxer doesn’t meet the 55-150 capacity rule.

It doesn't have to be 55-150cc, because it will be rebored.

This gets done all the time in buckets. Warwick has a DR200 barrel on his GN125.

That rule doesn't say that a motor has to start life smaller than 150cc. It says that if you fuck with a bore then the maximum is 158.

[FastFred]

my point was somewhere here people were grizzling that the gixxers would be not suitable for kart treacks as they weren't nyloned up.


, no, this was my response to people saying they were not suitable for buckets because they could damage the track having not been 'nyloned up' it's called clutching at straws.

Actually it was questioning if they would be allowed to be nyloned up to the standard required for cart tracks without disqualifying themselves from the Gixxer class. Drew answered this.

So I think it is you who are clutching at straws trying on the every one is against me routine, grizzling and moaning about this very valid question. Well sunshine if you want to bring one of these bikes to a cart track get with the program and respect the environment that we Buckateers need to work-within so we can maintain access to these tracks for our sport.

If your going to make accusations about other people, do yourself a favor and back it up with a quote.

Drop the grizzling and moaning and lets keep this intelligent...... :bleh:

[sidecar bob]

In light of all the information so far, it's clear the bucket folk don't want to attract any more competitors to their wee closed set, otherwise they would be working out ways to include these bikes, rather than finding feeble reasons why not.
I believe This will also be the best outcome for the Suzuki guys in the long term too.

[FastFred]

In light of all the information so far, it's clear the bucket folk don't want to attract any more competitors to their wee closed set, otherwise they would be working out ways to include these bikes, rather than finding feeble reasons why not. I believe This will also be the best outcome for the Suzuki guys in the long term too.

You may be right Bob, lets consider some facts:-

Buckets is a very well supported class.

Buckets welcomes anyone who presents with a bike that comply's to F4 rules.

We don't need bad behavior or mouthy trolls.

And if you and the rest of the pro Gixxer crowed are what Suzuki is about then we don't need you.

So maybe you are right going our separate ways is the best outcome for all in the long term.

[jellywrestler]

Actually it was questioning if they would be allowed to be nyloned up to the standard required for cart tracks without disqualifying themselves from the Gixxer class. Drew answered this.

really, you're that fucking stupid? you add the appropriate nylon to the bikes for the bucket tracks, then you either remove all of it for normal National championship meetings, of which there are four this season, or you check with the officials as to whether you're allowed to run it, nowhere did it say that bikes with nylon on would be not suitable to go back to another track.

[sidecar bob]

And if you and the rest of the pro Gixxer crowed are what Suzuki is about then we don't need you.

I'm not pro gixxer, I'm pro commonsense & pro racing, supporting others & fostering the sport.
If you eventually pull your head out of your own arse you may understand how that works.

[jellywrestler]

It doesn't have to be 55-150cc, because it will be rebored.

This gets done all the time in buckets. Warwick has a DR200 barrel on his GN125.


but warwicks bike started life as a 125 so is within the rules, is this the same logic that saw the gixxer headlight bulbs removed to cover the rule that says 'headlights must be removed' ?.

[Drew]

but warwicks bike started life as a 125 so is within the rules, is this the same logic that saw the gixxer headlight bulbs removed to cover the rule that says 'headlights must be removed' ?.

Yet an RGV250 barrel on an RG150 is a legal bucket if you air cool it.

So what it started life as means nothing at All, so long as it wasn't a competition based bike.

[Drew]

All being a cock for fun aside, Warwick is spot on. Have the wording changed in the rule to simply give a maximum capacity. All the wording around over boring is redundant anyway. F4 4 stroke motors are to be no more than 158cc.

That's how the other Formula classes are, and there is only one way to interpret them regarding running capacity.

[jellywrestler]

Yet an RGV250 barrel on an RG150 is a legal bucket if you air cool it.

So what it started life as means nothing at All, so long as it wasn't a competition based bike.
an rgv 250 is a twin road going machine giving 125cc per cylinder, an rg150 is a single, you've lost me on this one Drew?


All being a cock for fun aside, Warwick is spot on. Have the wording changed in the rule to simply give a maximum capacity. All the wording around over boring is redundant anyway. F4 4 stroke motors are to be no more than 158cc.

That's how the other Formula classes are, and there is only one way to interpret them regarding running capacity.

great work, finally a bit of sense without shit flying around, our rule book is full of rules that simply need a tidy up. We've all heard about officials this and officials that but they wouldn't and couldn't get away with anything
A the rules were bulletproof
B the riders knew the rules and could and would challenge any bullshit.

So now it's over to the bucket people if they want to change the rule to allow some new bikes to fill up the back of the field...

[FastFred]

really, you're that fucking stupid?

It was an honest question asked long ago, Drew answered it, you keep banging on about it, I think you are looking in the mirror when you accuse others of being stupid.:niceone:

[FastFred]

All being a cock for fun aside, Warwick is spot on. Have the wording changed in the rule to simply give a maximum capacity. All the wording around over boring is redundant anyway. F4 4 stroke motors are to be no more than 158cc.

Has been fun and this suggestion makes sense.

[FastFred]

an rgv 250 is a twin road going machine giving 125cc per cylinder, an rg150 is a single, you've lost me on this one Drew?.

The 56mm bore of the RGV250 twin and the 50mm stroke of the RGV150 single combined make for a 125cc single and that is a legal F4 engine if its air cooled. A very Buckety sort of thing to do. There may be someone who has even successfully done it.

[jellywrestler]

It was an honest question asked long ago, Drew answered it, you keep banging on about it, I think you are looking in the mirror when you accuse others of being stupid.:niceone:

which post did he answer it in?

[FastFred]

which post did he answer it in?

There you go.... se3 it would be stupid to not read it all before posting........:msn-wink:


Well, since we're putting together a nylon kit that will be straight bolt on to make them kart track friendly I can't se3 a problem.

Nylons Sorted.

[FastFred]

I'm not pro gixxer, I'm pro commonsense & pro racing, supporting others & fostering the sport. If you eventually pull your head out of your own arse you may understand how that works.

Our heads are out but don't suffocate yourself up there Bob.


... one raced in wellwood on the kart track in the weekend ..all good ...

There you go children, dry your eyes, its already happening ...... :yes:

[Kickaha]

This gets done all the time in buckets. Warwick has a DR200 barrel on his GN125.


No I don't, I have an LT250 quad bike barrel

[Yow Ling]

an rgv 250 is a twin road going machine giving 125cc per cylinder, an rg150 is a single, you've lost me on this one Drew?



..

Why stop at 125 when the rules allow 130

[mr bucketracer]

Our heads are out but don't suffocate yourself up there Bob.



There you go children, dry your eyes, its already happening ...... :yes:

333408there we go

[jasonu]

So now it's over to the bucket people if they want to change the rule to allow some new bikes to fill up the back of the field...

When was the last time you went to a Bucket meet? There is no 'back of the field'. The class is already bursting at the seams and the last thing it needs is non rule complying bikes, including but not limited to the GSXR150 and those Forza shit heaps that were told to buggar off for the same reason, stuffing already full grids. As someone just said Buckets has ALWAYS welcomed new people that show up with machinery that meets the rules.

[jellywrestler]

Actually it was questioning if they would be allowed to be nyloned up to the standard required for cart tracks without disqualifying themselves from the Gixxer class. Drew answered this.




There you go.... se3 it would be stupid to not read it all before posting........:msn-wink:



Nylons Sorted. where does it say that they are then still legal for the gixxer class, bear in mind Drew has said he has not read the rules for that class, i'm really confused now, yes i've read stuff but please point it out exactly where it states the above.

[jellywrestler]

Why stop at 125 when the rules allow 130

i was curious on the simple calculation. half of 250cc is 125, give or take a bit of stroking etc

[jellywrestler]

When was the last time you went to a Bucket meet? There is no 'back of the field'. The class is already bursting at the seams and the last thing it needs is non rule complying bikes, including but not limited to the GSXR150 and those Forza shit heaps that were told to buggar off for the same reason, stuffing already full grids. As someone just said Buckets has ALWAYS welcomed new people that show up with machinery that meets the rules.

easter from memory, 11 buckets in the feild, therefore there was some at the front of the field, and some at the back of the feild, check mylaps out it will show you they didn't all cross the line at the same time.

[Drew]

where does it say that they are then still legal for the gixxer class, bear in mind Drew has said he has not read the rules for that class, i'm really confused now, yes i've read stuff but please point it out exactly where it states the above.
Of course I read the fucking rules ya dork.

The motor has to remain OEM as it cane from Suzuki. No mechanical mods can be made.

[Yow Ling]

Of course I read the fucking rules ya dork.

The motor has to remain OEM as it cane from Suzuki. No mechanical mods can be made.

And thats why if cant be a bucket. This is like arguing with a 3 year old, you cant rebore it without removing metal, now put your jamis on and go to bed

[husaberg]

In light of all the information so far, it's clear the bucket folk don't want to attract any more competitors to their wee closed set, otherwise they would be working out ways to include these bikes, rather than finding feeble reasons why not.
I believe This will also be the best outcome for the Suzuki guys in the long term too.
Quite a few buckets guys have suggested doing a remit but the the GIxxer guys didn't want to.......

[Drew]

And thats why if cant be a bucket. This is like arguing with a 3 year old, you cant rebore it without removing metal, now put your jamis on and go to bed

I don't a agree. A hone removes material, and all the standard shit will go straight back in.

[Drew]

Quite a few buckets guys have suggested doing a remit but the the GIxxer guys didn't want to.......

Some place else, or here?

I'm not a Gixxer guy and don't represent them.

[Yow Ling]

I don't a agree. A hone removes material, and all the standard shit will go straight back in.
Whatever .

[husaberg]

Some place else, or here?

I'm not a Gixxer guy and don't represent them.
On Neroli Fairhalls website.
Odd that you don't represent them because you were earlier posting that you were to all intents actually prepping the bikes under the guise of almost being Slone Frost.
You also said you would gladly provide fraudulent documents to allow them to compete in a class they were not eligible for.

[TZ350]

I reckon the bucket clubs would let them run provided they are kart track friendly.

Seems to be happening that way.



Actually it was questioning if they would be allowed to be nyloned up to the standard required for cart tracks without disqualifying themselves from the Gixxer class. Drew answered this.
where does it say that they are then still legal for the gixxer class, bear in mind Drew has said he has not read the rules for that class, i'm really confused now, yes i've read stuff but please point it out exactly where it states the above.

I think it was here.


Well, since we're putting together a nylon kit that will be straight bolt on to make them kart track friendly I can't se3 a problem.

And here..... seems like Drew and yourself answered it......:drinknsin


simple, add the nylon for the kart tracks, remove it for the national championship once a year series, the Suzuki series don't apply the national class rules, i doubt the winter series does either. people will find a way to put them on the track, if they want to.....

... anyway it now looks like a non issue.

[Drew]

On Neroli Fairhalls website.
Odd that you don't represent them because you were earlier posting that you were to all intents actually prepping the bikes under the guise of almost being Slone Frost.
You also said you would gladly provide fraudulent documents to allow them to compete in a class they were not eligible for.
Not to all intents prepping the bikes. I did in fact prep most of the bikes. It was just a job I was doing for my employer.

I never suggested I was nearly Sloan, and neither of your points make me a representative of the Gixxer cup bikes.

Read what is written, apply it to the context it's written in, then ask an adult what it means if you still can't get it.

[jellywrestler]

Quite a few buckets guys have suggested doing a remit but the the GIxxer guys didn't want to.......

so a group of 14 -21 year olds have already formed a body to speak out about matters of concern via a democratic system yet none have even thought to lable the stands that came with their bikes so they know which of the thirty black identical stands is their own, wow.

[jellywrestler]

Of course I read the fucking rules ya dork.

The motor has to remain OEM as it cane from Suzuki. No mechanical mods can be made. so which rule, in the gixxer cup set of rules, say that once all your nylon kit is fitted means it's still suitable for the new zealand superbike championship series?
that's what this is all about Drew, fatfreddy has clearly said you said there is one.

[Drew]

so which rule, in the gixxer cup set of rules, say that once all your nylon kit is fitted means it's still suitable for the new zealand superbike championship series?
that's what this is all about Drew
It's not covered specifically. So it's not excluded.

I take that to mean that like all classes, crash protection is allowed so long as it doesn't create a hazard and is adequately affixed.

Only thong I can think of to raise eyebrows there is that cornering clearance will be reduced in adding anything to the sidesteps mount.

No frame mods are allowed, so the kids are just gonna have to grind those down on the big tracks.

[Grumph]

It's not covered specifically. So it's not excluded.

I take that to mean that like all classes, crash protection is allowed so long as it doesn't create a hazard and is adequately affixed.

Only thong I can think of to raise eyebrows there is that cornering clearance will be reduced in adding anything to the sidesteps mount.

No frame mods are allowed, so the kids are just gonna have to grind those down on the big tracks.

So we run into the "250 Ninja" situation where clever cunts grind the sidestand lug away then make it look like it's been done by the track.
IMO, if they're that bad there should be a minimum length spec in the regs.
Or, the first time someone's brought off by the lug, cut all of them off.

I like the thought of a mass scramble for stands, Spyda, there should always be one less stand than bikes.....Just for the entertainment value.

[FastFred]

fatfreddy

smellywrestler .... :2thumbsup

[jellywrestler]

No frame mods are allowed, so the kids are just gonna have to grind those down on the big tracks. they're already cutting off the sidestand mounts....

[jellywrestler]

smellywrestler .... :2thumbsup

your mother swims out to troop ships...

[jellywrestler]

I like the thought of a mass scramble for stands, Spyda, there should always be one less stand than bikes.....Just for the entertainment value.

i've told them that, had a riders debrief the other day and i suggested they put all their matching gloves into a bucket, then see if they can identify theres..., suggested they lable that, as for the stands, yip, it's would be like musical chairs, when the music stops....

[jellywrestler]

It's not covered specifically. So it's not excluded.

. so what about the piece of nylon added to the axle of bernards and strouds ( i think) bike in the manfeild endurance race a few years ago, how come they were disqualified then?

[Drew]

so what about the piece of nylon added to the axle of bernards and strouds ( i think) bike in the manfeild endurance race a few years ago, how come they were disqualified then?

No idea. Were they by chance part of a quick change axle set Up?

[FastFred]

your mother swims out to troop ships...

:laugh: ........

[ellipsis]

...the only time my bucket had a knob on it was when I rode it last...it's slow, about as slow as the Gixxer...

[Drew]

...the only time my bucket had a knob on it was when I rode it last...it's slow, about as slow as the Gixxer...

Doubt that any of the ones I've cobbled together would have been any faster than a Gixxer either.

[Luckylegs]

It's not covered specifically. So it's not excluded.

I take that to mean that like all classes, crash protection is allowed so long as it doesn't create a hazard and is adequately affixed.

Only thong I can think of to raise eyebrows there is that cornering clearance will be reduced in adding anything to the sidesteps mount.

No frame mods are allowed, so the kids are just gonna have to grind those down on the big tracks.

Thank christ - things are looking up for this thread

[jellywrestler]

No idea. Were they by chance part of a quick change axle set Up?

just a bullet in the end of the axle to guide it in, would've been fine if they used it only in the pits, thing is they left it in while racing, it was press fit not screwed in etc but deemed a modification.....

[Drew]

just a bullet in the end of the axle to guide it in, would've been fine if they used it only in the pits, thing is they left it in while racing, it was press fit not screwed in etc but deemed a modification.....

I'd protest it just because I hadn't thought of it. Bloody good idea though.

[Grumph]

I'd protest it just because I hadn't thought of it. Bloody good idea though.

It's the subtle bits you don't see...like captive wheel spacers.
When spare wheels are kept out of sight, I always have this desire to have a look at them....

[husaberg]

Not to all intents prepping the bikes. I did in fact prep most of the bikes. It was just a job I was doing for my employer.
I never suggested I was nearly Sloan, and neither of your points make me a representative of the Gixxer cup bikes.
Really...........
hardly a bolt from the blue.


These air-cooled, four-stroke, single-cylinder, fully-faired GSX150F bikes have been prepared in Suzuki's workshop by Suzuki's national superbike champion Sloan Frost.

So how much of that satement above is actually true?:corn:

I work for Sloan. So by extension...

I assembled the bikes with parts provided.



You also said you would gladly provide fraudulent documents to allow them to compete in a class they were not eligible for.

Read what is written, apply it to the context it's written in, then ask an adult what it means if you still can't get it.
Really............

I said I'd provide a receipt for a hone. What changes hands and whether I need to actually sight the bike is between the owner and myself.

So you're happy for people to cheat and run illegal bikes then?

If that's what it took for these kids to be allowed to ride at a bucket meeting, then yeah. Happy to help.

[Henk]

Just found this thread, fucken funny.

[Buddha#81]

We had two come to twilight training and three join the 45 bike strong SS150 class at KOR rd3 on Saturday, my gwad they are painfully slow so slow one got lapped in a 5 lap race. I trained one of them for a short period on Friday night. I'm fat...... really fat and on a relatively stock FXR I was sitting up and short shifting so top speed would be lucky to be 120kph. Big numbers and close racing might make up for the painfully slow speeds but I cant see it, I hope for Suzuki I'm wrong.

[Grumph]

Bugger - if they're that slow, the cheating's gonna have to be subtle....

[Drew]

Which bit of Ruapuna were they using?

[jasonu]

Which bit of Ruapuna were they using?

The sealed bit:msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink:

[Buddha#81]

The sealed bit:msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink:

All of the sealed bit

[mr bucketracer]

The old man has already done 3 sets of cams for them

[Grumph]

The old man has already done 3 sets of cams for them

For owners or Suzuki ?

Doesn't surprise me. I once rebuilt a 1500 Ford engine, wondered what the cam in it was - stamped Kelford.
Went in with it and asked - got the third degree "where'd you get this ?"
Turned out to be one of the non existent Formula Ford cheater cams...

Edit - if you want an OE Suzuki cam, a DR200 will probably drop in.

[goose8]

The old man has already done 3 sets of cams for them

Hahahahaha an it starts

[jellywrestler]

The old man has already done 3 sets of cams for them

so they would've asked for the job to be done about eighteen months ago then?

[Grumph]

so they would've asked for the job to be done about eighteen months ago then?

Oooo, harsh - but probably fair, LOL. I can only imagine there are people throwing cash at these things....

[sidecar bob]

Oooo, harsh - but probably fair, LOL. I can only imagine there are people throwing cash at these things....

Why can't people just accept that it's a one make, level playing field budget class & leave it at that for Christs sake.
It puts me right off supporting a rider on one of these.
I'm not going to buy a bike & play by the rules while the others all take the piss.
The engines should have bean lead sealed by Suzuki, but the horse has bolted now.
Incidentally, I spent the day at Taupo circuit today & observed Jessie Stroud riding one of these bikes very nicely.
However, later in the day he jumped on a RG150 & Andrew got on the little GSX & got his arse soundly spanked by his diminutive offspring on the two stroke.

[mr bucketracer]

Hahahahaha an it starts2 of them said they will put the old cams back in for the gsxr cup . The other had a high com piston

[goose8]

There's 2 guys running those high comp pistons I think they said made a good improvement

[Kickaha]

However, later in the day he jumped on a RG150 & Andrew got on the little GSX & got his arse soundly spanked by his diminutive offspring on the two stroke.
That was always going to happen, 5 laps of Ruapuna sees the slowest Gixxer get lapped by the fastest Bucket with the other Gixxers in the last 1/4 of the field


2 of them said they will put the old cams back in for the gsxr cup . The other had a high com piston

[mr bucketracer]

There's 2 guys running those high comp pistons I think they said made a good improvementi was told there was another, megacycle grind and piston make 17hp out of a 125 20 years ago so should go good

[mr bucketracer]

That was always going to happen, 5 laps of Ruapuna sees the slowest Gixxer get lapped by the fastest Bucket with the other Gixxers in the last 1/4 of the field2 seconds a lap faster will blow are binds lol:lol:

[Grumph]

2 seconds a lap faster will blow are binds lol:lol:

2 seconds a lap faster will produce a storm of protest forms.....Hope MNZ have enough in stock for this season.....

[Kickaha]

2 seconds a lap faster will produce a storm of protest forms.....Hope MNZ have enough in stock for this season.....

Doesn't happen, people just whine about cheaters but never put their money where their bullshit back stabbing mouth is

[jellywrestler]

Incidentally, I spent the day at Taupo circuit today & observed Jessie Stroud riding one of these bikes very nicely.
.
jeez, how much axtra weight his he going to have to run to make the legal 200kg?

[mr bucketracer]

jeez, how much axtra weight his he going to have to run to make the legal 200kg?lol ya right there apart from from dad would take way more then 18 months to grind cams

[mr bucketracer]

2 seconds a lap faster will produce a storm of protest forms.....Hope MNZ have enough in stock for this season.....no one pulls nothing down these days so all good 😈

[sidecar bob]

jeez, how much axtra weight his he going to have to run to make the legal 200kg?

He's a cool little bloke & I've been discussing his future with Andrew since my rider is all grown up & riding a superbike now.
He probably only beat his dad because he is 50kg lighter.:bleh:

[jellywrestler]

He's a cool little bloke & I've been discussing his future with Andrew since my rider is all grown up & riding a superbike now.
He probably only beat his dad because he is 50kg lighter.:bleh:

i remember when andrew did the stall to win on the mcintosh at hd he said dad was an animal!
been wondering when a stroud would jump on a gixxr, caleb is pretty handy too

[jellywrestler]

no one pulls nothing down these days so all good 😈

don't be so sure of that.

[Doppleganger]

Its a fukin shame this excellent one make series is already in the shit and it hasn't even turned a wheel in anger yet.
Yep Suzuki perhaps should of sealed the engines out of the crate....too late now, we don't have weight scales to even the playing field with micro riders and looks like we are heading down the who can cheat the least obviously route too.

[sidecar bob]

The only way to stop people cheating is to have engine mods completely open & free, a bit like when my dog doesn't do what I say & I add to the command, "do whatever the fuck you want . . . good dog"
Unfortunately that avenue only favours the well funded or resourceful.

[F5 Dave]

Doesn't happen, people just whine about cheaters but never put their money where their bullshit back stabbing mouth is
Yeah and I've got some questions of that Rocketship GN of yours:Police: Surely that's not legal




to be that fugly.

[Grumph]

Yeah and I've got some questions of that Rocketship GN of yours:Police: Surely that's not legal
to be that fugly.

I can't argue about the fugly...but it's, at least, different, cough.

Amusingly, if I've got it right as to where the GSXR150 engines have come from, the GN should drop into one.
But the 230cc marking cast on the barrel that I left there as a teaser might be a giveaway...

I agree totally with Bob about regs being as open as possible. A classic is the speedway TQ regs when they allowed water cooling...."must be as used in the donor bike" There were a hell of a lot of hot GSXR750's about apparently...
Minisprints - bike engined - again as used in the donor bike. Never knew there were so many GSXR1100's in NZ with big bore kits....

[Buddha#81]

so what happens in a year...... Suzuki buys them back gets drew to strip them return them to factory spec and we start all this again. can I buy one for $1k and put my youngest on it with his Revit hand me downs and AGV helmut or will Suzuki have a tantie because of a lack of brand loyalty?

I spoke to a parent on Saturday who would have brought one but was told if his kid didn't wear the appropriate gear there would be no points or prize money (incidentally would have been a conflict of his interest) so puts a mockery of Suzuki NZ wanting to "grow future champions" ....... and to add the prize money is Suzuki dollars so wont work at the local strip club unless Candy rides a bike.

[Grumph]

I'd be prepared at this point to lay money (a small amount though - I am a pensioner...) that this class/series won't go past the first year.
In this form anyway.
It'd be a good way to get noticed though - win in illegal gear and score no points.
Wonder if they'd make you start off the back or simply ban you altogether.
Anyone needs a rules mechanic, i'm available....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Doesn't happen, people just whine about cheaters but never put their money where their bullshit back stabbing mouth is

Generally as they're cheating themselves...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Amusingly, if I've got it right as to where the GSXR150 engines have come from, the GN should drop into one.
But the 230cc marking cast on the barrel that I left there as a teaser might be a giveaway...

..

Brian Bernard would love it then.

[Yow Ling]

Its all about the preperation

[Grumph]

Its all about the preperation

Oil filler cap doesn't appear to be wired - I think I've got some lead wire here somewhere.....

[Yow Ling]

Oil filler cap doesn't appear to be wired - I think I've got some lead wire here somewhere.....

Dont go overboard, liquorice shoelace will do

[Grumph]

Dont go overboard, liquorice shoelace will do

I've seen your team in action - it'd get eaten in the first ten minutes.....

[mr bucketracer]

Its all about the preperationi dont know mick :brick:

[FastFred]

333944

Gixxers, the amateur club, my arse, this sort of dumb shit would not make it onto the track at a more professionally run meeting like Buckets.

[Grumph]

I note that the rules specify any ballast weight must be bolted to the centerstand mounts.

Are you sure they're strong enough for that amount of ballast ?

[mr bucketracer]

333944

Gixxers, the amateur club, my arse, this sort of dumb shit would not make it onto the track at a more professionally run meeting like Buckets.its all about dropping bombs on the track these days

[Drew]

There was random crap all over the track on our first race. Wonder if this wasn't the reason.

[jellywrestler]

I note that the rules specify any ballast weight must be bolted to the centerstand mounts.

Are you sure they're strong enough for that amount of ballast ?

well when the bikes on its centrestand it's strong enough to hold the whole bike so one would assume so Greg.

[Grumph]

well when the bikes on its centrestand it's strong enough to hold the whole bike so one would assume so Greg.

You'd certainly hope so - but dynamic loads from bumps etc are not the same as the bike sitting passively on the stand.
There were a few down here post quakes who could testify to that....

[F5 Dave]

Sorry what am I missing here? Is this a joke? Shirley?

[Autech]

Sorry what am I missing here? Is this a joke? Shirley?Facebook rumour is that after poor Jesse Stroud hurt himself in another race they had some fun with his bike in the pits as he was unable to race

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[F5 Dave]

Ahh OK, it just was too ridiculous.

[Drew]

Ahh OK, it just was too ridiculous.

They did have his bike covered in barbells for actual racing.

[jellywrestler]

Facebook rumour is that after poor Jesse Stroud hurt himself in another race they had some fun with his bike in the pits as he was unable to race

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except that this was done saturday night and jesse crashed on sunday.
they knew the weight needed to be sorted but appeared to have done nothing during the week

[Grumph]

except that this was done saturday night and jesse crashed on sunday.
they knew the weight needed to be sorted but appeared to have done nothing during the week

So were the field actually weighed ?

[jellywrestler]

So were the field actually weighed ?
yip, there were scales in pit lane from memory

[Yow Ling]

yip, there were scales in pit lane from memory

They posted a video of the weigh in on their Facebook Gixer page

[Grumph]

yip, there were scales in pit lane from memory

Be interesting to have the weights posted alongside the times....

I remember an older weight controversy at Manfield. Phyllis GPX750 was 2kg underweight at the WSB round. He roamed the pits moaning about bloody inaccurate scales - the bike was fine last week in Oz - then miraculously he found the lead weight needed and bolted it back on....

[jellywrestler]

Be interesting to have the weights posted alongside the times....

I remember an older weight controversy at Manfield. Phyllis GPX750 was 2kg underweight at the WSB round. He roamed the pits moaning about bloody inaccurate scales - the bike was fine last week in Oz - then miraculously he found the lead weight needed and bolted it back on....

yeah well every other weight rule in the book has a 2 % margin for error, except this one.

[Kickaha]

Facebook rumour is that after poor Jesse Stroud hurt himself in another race they had some fun with his bike in the pits as he was unable to race

As someone said to me, how likely is it that they'd have all the stuff around the pits to do that with?


except that this was done saturday night and jesse crashed on sunday.
they knew the weight needed to be sorted but appeared to have done nothing during the week
Probably thought he'd get the Stroud family exemption

[mr bucketracer]

i was told they cheaked the bikes at rd1 and half were missing air filters ? does anyone know if this is true

[Grumph]

i was told they cheaked the bikes at rd1 and half were missing air filters ? does anyone know if this is true

Don't know - but I'll ask...What I have been told is that every one of the bikes built has now been down at least once. Apparently Suzuki are running out of fairings....

[Kickaha]

i was told they cheaked the bikes at rd1 and half were missing air filters ? does anyone know if this is true

I think it was 4 of them picked up for "technical infringements"

[jellywrestler]

As someone said to me, how likely is it that they'd have all the stuff around the pits to do that with?


there was a week between rounds so there was time to sort it


i was told they cheaked the bikes at rd1 and half were missing air filters ? does anyone know if this is true there were some missing, I think they got a warning


What I have been told is that every one of the bikes built has now been down at least once. Apparently Suzuki are running out of fairings....

i haven't kept an eye on all bikes but the farings seem quite resilient, many have scratches on them, not sure who has replaced them

[jellywrestler]

one bike has been detained for technical checks, the rider requested an engine seal and it will be dealt with after levels, i'm pretty sure he's confident it will be legal as he stands to lose two rounds if found non compliant in this situation. It's a good thing they're prepared to do this so as to silence the critics.

[Yow Ling]

one bike has been detained for technical checks, the rider requested an engine seal and it will be dealt with after levels, i'm pretty sure he's confident it will be legal as he stands to lose two rounds if found non compliant in this situation. It's a good thing they're prepared to do this so as to silence the critics.

Im pretty sure the 4 air filter guys were confident they wouldnt be caught either.

[Autech]

Watching the tv feed I picked out one bike that even without a slipstream was noticeably faster than the others. Assuming the weight limits were being followed I couldn't see why that it would be able to pull a few bike lengths on the straights. Rider didn't seem to be exiting the corners any better than the bikes around him.

Does anyone know if Suzuki dyno'd them to make sure there wasn't too bigger difference between the engines?

All in all through looked like some entertaining racing going on even if they were going so slow I thought a seagull beat them down the straight :D

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[F5 Dave]

Maybe this is a better comparison and more likely, but the Gixxer is 9 seconds a lap adrift of the FXR, still early days though.

Chap at wangas was well out in front after a few laps. Fell off on a white line in front of us. Never took the same line twice, like within a metre. He took off his helmet and it turns out that the problem must have been his ridiculous haircut.

[Grumph]

No they weren't dynoed. They were built quick and dirty. Current info is 4 engines sealed and two scheduled to be stripped post Levels. So far....

Having so little hair left it couldn't be called a haircut, I'm not qualified to comment on that sorry, Dave...But the race of saturday in the solos anyway was 300 prod where the pensioners fought it out hard - Charlett V Ramage. One to Denis so far. Who needs mad youth with weird hair when those two will give you superb riding.

[Yow Ling]

No they weren't dynoed. They were built quick and dirty. Current info is 4 engines sealed and two scheduled to be stripped post Levels. So far....

Having so little hair left it couldn't be called a haircut, I'm not qualified to comment on that sorry, Dave...But the race of saturday in the solos anyway was 300 prod where the pensioners fought it out hard - Charlett V Ramage. One to Denis so far. Who needs mad youth with weird hair when those two will give you superb riding.
So thats why they call you Grumph

[Crasherfromwayback]

..But the race of saturday in the solos anyway was 300 prod where the pensioners fought it out hard - Charlett V Ramage. One to Denis so far. Who needs mad youth with weird hair when those two will give you superb riding.

I've never raced against Denis, but Ramage is certainly a wiry Old Dog to race against. Effortly fast.

[Grumph]

I've never raced against Denis, but Ramage is certainly a wiry Old Dog to race against. Effortly fast.

Probably worth at least a second a lap at Levels too....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Probably worth at least a second a lap at Levels too....

First and only time I ever raced there I was given a lesson. Then Tony Sampson skittled me and two others. Shit day at the office.

[Kickaha]

No they weren't dynoed. They were built quick and dirty. Current info is 4 engines sealed and two scheduled to be stripped post Levels. So far.....

And supposedly one found with an after market ecu

They were getting their own little chat after riders briefing but I didn't stick round to see what it was about, maybe they're getting told to pull their heads in

[Buddha#81]

The last race yesterday was actually a race and it would seem when they all play ball on a level playing field its not bad racing albeit a long wait fir them to come past again.

[ellipsis]

The last race yesterday was actually a race and it would seem when they all play ball on a level playing field its not bad racing albeit a long wait fir them to come past again.

...I noticed that myself...I'm in two minds about the usefulness of the new class...there are very new young people that have been drawn into racing and that can't be bad but will it continue, will it have the backup from Suzuki next year?...all motorcycle racing is good but F4 covers all this stuff that is happening also...there were some new lines that I have not seen at Levels before in the earlier races but that last race was real racing...good on all involved for trying something, anyway...

[Grumph]

The last race yesterday was actually a race and it would seem when they all play ball on a level playing field its not bad racing albeit a long wait fir them to come past again.

Being a cynical old B with no love for modern yoof, I did wonder if the slow speeds were the reason for the wide variation of lines....A.D.D. means they can't remember from one lap to the next ?

One or two people did say to me - "It's a good thing isn't it ?" After which the few pros and a lot of cons got explained to them...Most finished up looking a bit more thoughtful anyway.

[Buddha#81]

...I noticed that myself...I'm in two minds about the usefulness of the new class...there are very new young people that have been drawn into racing and that can't be bad but will it continue, will it have the backup from Suzuki next year?...all motorcycle racing is good but F4 covers all this stuff that is happening also...there were some new lines that I have not seen at Levels before in the earlier races but that last race was real racing...good on all involved for trying something, anyway...

I haven't done the numbers yet, out of the 38 riders in the ss150 class at round one around 2/3's have started racing in the past 5 years, the difference with MCI's introduction to racing is we don't age, leather, helmet discriminate.

[F5 Dave]

Being a cynical middle aged (I'm assuming that I live to 100) barstard with no love of 4 Strokes.


That is all. Just wanted it noted.

[jellywrestler]

I haven't done the numbers yet, out of the 38 riders in the ss150 class at round one around 2/3's have started racing in the past 5 years, the difference with MCI's introduction to racing is we don't age, leather, helmet discriminate.

and just how many newcomers were at ruapuna in the ss150 class, 1? 2? 4? whereas the gixxers are packed with newcomers, some people need to look upt eh definition of sportsman, it's in the dictionary somewhere between shit and syphillis

[jellywrestler]

No they weren't dynoed. They were built quick and dirty. Current info is 4 engines sealed and two scheduled to be stripped post Levels. So far....

.

i have watched every single minute of gixxer racing in nz, i saw one bike with an engine out, it went into another bike as there was something a miss but not a failure, one bike was sealed at ruapuna the rider fronted up with a different ecu before they found it, his round was nullified, they have since watched him on the track and removed the seals as they don' beleive he has done anything else, it's news to me about the other three sealed engines, complete news, i also spent the night with the rider mentioned above (and a few others), he mentioned nothing whatsoever about anyone else getting sealed,

[jellywrestler]

Im pretty sure the 4 air filter guys were confident they wouldnt be caught either.

where in the rule book does it say you cannot remove air filters please?

[Grumph]

i have watched every single minute of gixxer racing in nz, i saw one bike with an engine out, it went into another bike as there was something a miss but not a failure, one bike was sealed at ruapuna the rider fronted up with a different ecu before they found it, his round was nullified, they have since watched him on the track and removed the seals as they don' beleive he has done anything else, it's news to me about the other three sealed engines, complete news, i also spent the night with the rider mentioned above (and a few others), he mentioned nothing whatsoever about anyone else getting sealed,

My comments were as a result of conversations with the scrutineer and technical officer in the pits at Levels. I didn't ask for names or details.

Are you becoming a believer or just making the most of a bad idea ? Yes, some will come through from this class. Whether as Suzuki doubtless hope, they'll stay loyal to the brand is yet to be seen.

[Grumph]

Being a cynical middle aged (I'm assuming that I live to 100) barstard with no love of 4 Strokes.


That is all. Just wanted it noted.

Duly noted, thanks for your input Dave...

[Grumph]

where in the rule book does it say you cannot remove air filters please?

"all parts and functions must remain as original" I doubt removal of the air filter element could be justified as a safety issue....

[Kickaha]

will it have the backup from Suzuki next year?...
I was told they will have a new model 150 out next year with 2 more Hp which would make the current model obsolete if it is correct


whereas the gixxers are packed with newcomers
How many are absolute novices to racing (including off road) ?

[Yow Ling]

where in the rule book does it say you cannot remove air filters please?


In the Gixxer rules is where I found it

All parts and functions must remain as per Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) specifications unless stated otherwise.

as it is not stated otherwise then you can not remove them

Edit: Well done Grumph beat me by a mile

[Yow Ling]

"all parts and functions must remain as original" I doubt removal of the air filter element could be justified as a safety issue....

Nor could shortening the superbike race by 2 laps be justified by safety , but they did

[Kickaha]

Nor could shortening the superbike race by 2 laps be justified by safety , but they did

Safety or in the interest of the brand of Bikes that couldn't make it?

[Yow Ling]

Safety or in the interest of the brand of Bikes that couldn't make it?

Brand Safety

[jasonu]

i have watched every single minute of gixxer racing in nz, i saw one bike with an engine out, it went into another bike as there was something a miss but not a failure, one bike was sealed at ruapuna the rider fronted up with a different ecu before they found it, his round was nullified, they have since watched him on the track and removed the seals as they don' beleive he has done anything else, it's news to me about the other three sealed engines, complete news, i also spent the night with the rider mentioned above (and a few others), he mentioned nothing whatsoever about anyone else getting sealed,

Sounds like a lot of wanking around and time wasting for a nothing class that will die out in a year or two at the most. These kids would be better off in Buckets.

[jellywrestler]

Sounds like a lot of wanking around and time wasting for a nothing class that will die out in a year or two at the most. These kids would be better off in Buckets.

i was at the mnz conference where their were learned representatives of most clubs in new zealand in the road race discussion, each club rep was representing all of their members, they thought different to you.

[jellywrestler]

In the Gixxer rules is where I found it

All parts and functions must remain as per Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) specifications unless stated otherwise.

as it is not stated otherwise then you can not remove them

Edit: Well done Grumph beat me by a mile

so when a rule is read there are two ways to read it, how you see it and how you would defend it, in the old jump start rule it said a blackboard must displayed, tell me why that blackboard couldn't be displayed at mcdonalds in rotorua?

[jellywrestler]

My comments were as a result of conversations with the scrutineer and technical officer in the pits at Levels. I didn't ask for names or details.

Are you becoming a believer or just making the most of a bad idea ? Yes, some will come through from this class. Whether as Suzuki doubtless hope, they'll stay loyal to the brand is yet to be seen.

and you know them, just surprised me a bit, was that as early as saturday?

[Drew]

Safety or in the interest of the brand of Bikes that couldn't make it?

The safety aspect of it could be with regards to the refuel rule. The bikes were capable of doing the 20 laps without issue, but a red flag half way through the third lap would mean they need gas. Rule says no refueling in pit lane.

[Yow Ling]

The safety aspect of it could be with regards to the refuel rule. The bikes were capable of doing the 20 laps without issue, but a red flag half way through the third lap would mean they need gas. Rule says no refueling in pit lane.

So why should the owners of bikes that could make the distance have to kowtow to the ones that couldnt ?

[jellywrestler]

The safety aspect of it could be with regards to the refuel rule. The bikes were capable of doing the 20 laps without issue, but a red flag half way through the third lap would mean they need gas. Rule says no refueling in pit lane.

odd, i cannot find that anywhere in the rule book???? please point it out

[Yow Ling]

odd, i cannot find that anywhere in the rule book???? please point it out

thats funny because Drew cannot find the rule book, he now in the defend against the rule mode

[Yow Ling]

Rob Lewis was right to be pissed about the last minute between race change that was made for the wrong reasons.

[jellywrestler]

Rob Lewis was right to be pissed about the last minute between race change that was made for the wrong reasons.

why, whose rob lewis and what's his involvement in superbikes pray tell me?

[Yow Ling]

why, whose rob lewis and what's his involvement in superbikes pray tell me?
Just some old racer from the 80's, you would have had to be around racing for a while to know him

[jellywrestler]

why, whose rob lewis and what's his involvement in superbikes pray tell me?

Just some old racer from the 80's, you would have had to around racing for a while to know him

you only asked one question, there were two

[ellipsis]

...we have staunch defenders here who both represent the one true faith but whose ideologies, although the same, directly oppose either's ideologies...sounds very familiar to other human traits and activities...the Nationals are back, live and kickin'...:love:

[Yow Ling]

you only asked one question, there were two

Because the change affected his son who was a competitor

[jellywrestler]

Because the change affected his son who was a competitor

were you even there, his son doesn't race in superbikes, he's in 600 class.

[Yow Ling]

were you even there, his son doesn't race in superbikes, he's in 600 class.

Yes, remember the blackboard? Did the 600's run 20 laps as well?

[jellywrestler]

Yes, remember the blackboard? Did the 600's run 20 laps as well?

blackboard, i can't even remember last night??? no, at the beginning of sunday they said due to time they were shortening S/cars, supers and 600's, which they did, there were absolutely no underlying reasons for shortening 600's

[Yow Ling]

blackboard, i can't even remember last night??? no, at the beginning of sunday they said due to time they were shortening S/cars, supers and 600's, which they did, there were absolutely no underlying reasons for shortening 600's

So why did Drew explain a reason without any prompting ? Funny thing was that the reason he gave is the one we had heard earlier

Shortening those races woul have saved 9 minutes from the programme

[jellywrestler]

Rob Lewis was right to be pissed about the last minute between race change that was made for the wrong reasons. rob lewis son does not race superbikes, drew is reffering to the suzuki riders worried that they would not have enough motion lotion to do the twenty lapper, got that Superbikes.


...we have staunch defenders here who both represent the one true faith but whose ideologies, although the same, directly oppose either's ideologies...sounds very familiar to other human traits and activities...the Nationals are back, live and kickin'...:love: i don't mid either side sometimes i'll play the devils advocate, but here there facts that relate to another class being dragged in



Because the change affected his son who was a competitor are we talking about the 'safety issue" that was discussed.



So why did Drew explain a reason without any prompting ? Funny thing was that the reason he gave is the one we had heard earlier

Shortening those races woul have saved 9 minutes from the programme really, i make a few seconds short of 11 minutes, 7n laps at the slowest pace of each competitor

[Buddha#81]

The Sloan Frost road show was too cool to make it to either of the first nzsbk prize givings, maybe he didn’t have enough fuel in the tank to get there. Seriously I’m not sure what the real story was but twice in a row looks like poor form him not even showing up....... twice

[Grumph]

...we have staunch defenders here who both represent the one true faith but whose ideologies, although the same, directly oppose either's ideologies...sounds very familiar to other human traits and activities...the Nationals are back, live and kickin'...:love:

That's what you get when you have a rulebook like ours - with the last minute changes that officials at that meeting had only just learned about.

Plus people racing for money - and prepared to use every trick known to them to gain advantage.

I have no problems with rule stretching - as long as we have a strong official body which won't be manipulated by outside influences.

[Grumph]

odd, i cannot find that anywhere in the rule book???? please point it out

From memory it's always been refueling in the designated area. Wouldn't have been a problem to designate a refuelling box in pit lane with a guy holding an extinguisher in attendance. Would have had to keep you and your fags at a distance though, Spyda...

[jellywrestler]

From memory it's always been refueling in the designated area. Wouldn't have been a problem to designate a refuelling box in pit lane with a guy holding an extinguisher in attendance. Would have had to keep you and your fags at a distance though, Spyda...

yeah. always careful about that, the refuelling rule i think drew is reffering to is in the endurance race area, again, the red flag rule tells you you are allowed to do repairs, but nothing re gas.

[Drew]

The Sloan Frost road show was too cool to make it to either of the first nzsbk prize givings, maybe he didn’t have enough fuel in the tank to get there. Seriously I’m not sure what the real story was but twice in a row looks like poor form him not even showing up....... twice

Terrible form to have shit to do.

[Buddha#81]

Terrible form to have shit to do.

Like i said drew it looked bad twice for a winner of the premier class to be a no show even the team truck seemed to take the tradesman entrance to exit so now to draw attention. I spoze he leaves his talking on the track?

[Drew]

Like i said drew it looked bad twice for a winner of the premier class to be a no show even the team truck seemed to take the tradesman entrance to exit so now to draw attention. I spoze he leaves his talking on the track?I don't know the circumstances, I'm just speculating. But I do know that he tends to organise things pretty tight, and he's always busier than a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.

Last year I had the Suzuki truck packed up and got the fuck out of there as soon as I could too though. As a hanger on, the fuck did prize giving mean to me?