Supermoto? Why? this is why....

[loosebruce]

A bit of a debate got going on another forum as to why would you buy a supermoto? This pic popped up, and fuck it's some cool shit, how'd you feel about that going round the outside of you.

I watch the FIM world champs when i can and it's on, and i want a motard bad, oh well when i get some money.

Anyhow, enjoy the pic, its my wallpaper now. Mmmmm me wants DRZ400SM in black sitting in the garage.

[Coyote]

I miss my old KX80 Motard, so I'm (hopefully) trading in the CBR for a WR450 :2thumbsup

http://www.oneindustries.com/products/bike/photos/YA402-YL.jpg

[Back Fire]

A bit of a debate got going on another forum as to why would you buy a supermoto? This pic popped up, and fuck it's some cool shit, how'd you feel about that going round the outside of you.

I watch the FIM world champs when i can and it's on, and i want a motard bad, oh well when i get some money.

Anyhow, enjoy the pic, its my wallpaper now. Mmmmm me wants DRZ400SM in black sitting in the garage.

Don't go for a DRZ.... they are to fat and heavy for a motard, and not the amazingly powerful either... go for a Husaberg FS650... 25kg's lighter and 40bhp more powerful....

[Sniper]

Looks fun.....

[Goblin]

Seriously COOL bikes!! I'd love one but dont think I could throw it around like that, but with some practice.....anything's possible.

Watched them at Taupo a few months back and that Steven Briggs is HOT!!!

[Coyote]

Don't go for a DRZ.... they are to fat and heavy for a motard, and not the amazingly powerful either... go for a Husaberg FS650... 25kg's lighter and 40bhp more powerful....
He's right. The DRZ is more of a entry level commuter Supermotard.

By the way, Supermotard is dirt bikes riding on road tracks, Supermoto is dirt bikes riding on special tracks that are part road, part dirt

www.supermotard.co.nz

[2_SL0]

What would make a good day to day rider for commuting, I would prob use a supermotard, also I dont think I would want more than 500cc.
Is there anything out there that fits in this bracket??

[Coyote]

What would make a good day to day rider for commuting, I would prob use a supermotard, also I dont think I would want more than 500cc.
Is there anything out there that fits in this bracket??
As far as I know:
Honda CRF450X
Yamaha WR450/426
KTM 450EXC
KTM 525EXC
Gas Gas EC400
Gas Gas SM400
Husqvarna 450SMR
Husqvarna TE450
Husaberg FE450
Husaberg FS450
VOR EN450

Thats a few off the top of my head, some are enduros that will need road tyres. Don't exclude bikes over 500cc though. They might make better bikes on the motorway

[Brian d marge]

I am going to give it a bash next summer as the heat here is to much for MX and 2 months with out racing killed me this year ,,,,,

BUT ...have you seen the price of those wheel rims ...cost more than me bike !!!!
I am going to use my trusty FrankenCR ....and I have a plannnnnn...ahhhh hahaha
The plan is ..well the frame is the base point and everything else is upgradeable ..so ,,,I will just up grade when I spot the bits cheap on Ebay ,,, my next plan is to up grade the front end as I am at its limits ,,

Then a ( if it will fit ) a CR500 engine ,,,ohhhh yes ,,,Stand back folks its FrankenCR,,,and it was cheap to start with ,,,,

That should be more than enough !!!

and who cares if I crash ,,,cos the bits are old and dirt cheap to buy !!!

Stephen

[TwoSeven]

I've always thought that super retard bikes are for the dirt bike riders that could never learn to control a road bike properly.

Still, since I enjoy riding road bikes on mud tracks, i've kept my eye on them as well (I like the idea of doing woops - doesnt seem to work on roab bikes so much).

Anyhow, supermotard is the bike, supermoto is the event and a motard track is both half dirt and half moto track (dirt with all the jumps n bumps). It often gets confused with the old Supermoto (pre 90s) that is now called something similar to motocross.

[Coyote]

Anyhow, supermotard is the bike, supermoto is the event and a motard track is both half dirt and half moto track (dirt with all the jumps n bumps). It often gets confused with the old Supermoto (pre 90s) that is now called something similar to motocross.


Is it SuperMotard or SuperMoto???

There seems to be no hard and fast rules here, so we will when ever possible use these rules...If we use the term "SuperMoto", we are referring to racing being held on both road race and dirt bike sections a la The Word SuperMoto series. For racing on road race circuits only and general road riding we will use the term "SuperMotard" Where an article is relevant to both, we will default to the term SuperMotard.

It says there is no set definition but it sounds about right

[k14]

Don't go for a DRZ.... they are to fat and heavy for a motard, and not the amazingly powerful either... go for a Husaberg FS650... 25kg's lighter and 40bhp more powerful....
Nah, VOR530SM-E oh yeah baby :not:

[Sparky Bills]

KTM660 is the go!
I want one of those!
Gotta respect pics like those.
Very highly skilled riders.

[Ivan]

that guy is nicky Hayden
I would love him coming around the outside of me hes so good

[speights_bud]

Found this pic a few weeks ago, i'm unsure as to why im so interested in getting one, its like Sportsbike?, Motard?, Sportsbike?. hmmm :love:

[FlangMasterJ]

Don't go for a DRZ.... they are to fat and heavy for a motard, and not the amazingly powerful either... go for a Husaberg FS650... 25kg's lighter and 40bhp more powerful....

If you are looking for a road going motard you're better off with an older generation 4 stroke like the DRZ400SM. My friend had a Husaberg 650 on the road and it needed to be rebuilt after only 30 hours (fucken fun machine though!). I would go for an LC4 based KTM or even better the 950SM. What I'm trying to say is the new generation 4 stroke MX'ers are great for the track but very unreliable on the road.

Next bike will be a CRF450R supermoto for the track only!

Is that pic at the top Nicky Hayden?

[Sensei]

Shit I was Motarding PE 400 & TT500 back in 1980 . People couldn't undertand what I was up to . Now they are all the Rage . :niceone:

[Motu]

And I was doing it back in the 70s with a Rickman Metisse.Didn't know what I was doing because no one else was doing it.I thought sideways on seal was normal,surface didn't seem to matter to me.

[Ixion]

Are there any two stroke motards ?

[Motu]

DT230,not factory.

[gav]

This caught my eye today at Ruapuna.....

[TwoSeven]

Are there any two stroke motards ?

Nicked this from the net.

[Ixion]

Nicked this from the net.

Been there, done that. BIG two stroke motards ?

[NordieBoy]

Are there any two stroke motards ?

Oh yes......

[Ixion]

Oh yes......

Repeat correction. BIG two stroke motards. 500cc plus.

EDIT. correction to correction. CR500 ? 500 cc? Factory ? Hmm. Interesting. Very interesting .

[NordieBoy]

Repeat correction. BIG two stroke motards. 500cc plus.

EDIT. correction to correction. CR500 ? 500 cc? Factory ? Hmm. Interesting. Very interesting .
CR500 engines in CR250 frames.

[badlieutenant]

A mate of mine converted his cr480 (thats 82ish ??) into a motard. The smile on his dial after he took it for its first thrash. We saw about 160kms/hr or so but I dont think he was too keen on holding it open like that for too long and it didnt seem to take too long to get there either. It was hard to tell from where I was sitting as he was a small dot in the distance.
He would have raced it but had a nasty off (high side) at toupo on his yz400 and naffed his wrist.
I can only imagine a 2stroke 500 would be a scary thing.
As for road going motards he loves his xt600. Ive had a ride on it and I can fully understand why. They are sooooo much fun in the corners. As far as i know those xt motors are fairly bullet proof ........(motu??) :D

[Nutter34]

You guys seen the new Aprillia? A 450 and a 550 I think....

[Brian d marge]

See my earlier post ..I have a oder 90s cr,,3 engines for it 2 front ends and 3 rear shocks ..all set up different in mx trim its more than enough for me I am hardly out of 2nd gear round our track ...!It could and is being lightened ...The parts are super cheap ..read 15 year old bike bits off ebay !

Now the plan ...Keep upgrading important bits ...suspension etc ...the motors are fine ,,more than enough power ,,and reliable ....

I can crash this thing as many times as I like ( and do ) and it doesnt effect the resale price ( there is none )

Sooooo IF ,,,IF a cr500 engine will fit in the 250 frame ...I will jump for the rims ,,,,and lower ONE set of suspension ...or find a road bike set up ,,,..Then race the 250 2 smoke for a while to see if I like Motard ...if so then the Cr 500 will be on the list ...

The plannnnn went one step forward today ,,,,,,which is what I like ,,,,

So far this Cr has been a very very cost effective form of racing .....

Stephen

( note to moderator ..I wont be able to sleep tonite with all those naughty picture in me head ...Cr500 motards ...very naughty .....I will have to speak to nursey I think .......)

[FlangMasterJ]

You guys seen the new Aprillia? A 450 and a 550 I think....

Yeah, that's on my desktp at the mo. :Punk:

[Badcat]

Don't go for a DRZ.... they are to fat and heavy for a motard, and not the amazingly powerful either... go for a Husaberg FS650... 25kg's lighter and 40bhp more powerful....

you may want to check your HP figures, Rayza.
the DRZ makes about 35 HP in std trim.
no way does a berg make 75.


ken

[Motu]

A 500 smoker motard would be scary shit alright - the modern smoker doesn't have a powerband like the old days,but they come on sooooo hard and with light flywheels and no engine braking wheelspin is hard to control,a 4 stroke is much more linear,and you can play around in the on/off throttle zone - the 4 stroke throttle is a reostat,the 2 stroke a switch.

Mind you I dirt tracked a TS/TM 400,but it was old school and I used the heavier TS crank and flywheel which smoothed out the radical powerband,it was actualy very 4 stroke in power down,but no engine braking.I rode a WR500 set up as a flattracker too and just couldn't get any traction,any throttle and the rear wheel just spun up....but this was in a practise session before a blue groove had formed.Flattrackers run 19,or 18in front wheels and they put much more load on the front wheel in corners than a motard - even with no engine braking I've gone out on the track and traced at least 3 metres of black rubber from the front tyre of the TS400,that's a long way to push a front tyre in a slide....

[Badcat]

This caught my eye today at Ruapuna.....

i had a 640 supermoto prestige....
http://www.kenkong.com/album/album.php?albumId=415&libraryId=55&personId=3

was sweet - it was on trademe last week again.

they are an excellent bike - i just got tired of all the suspension travel, ride it hard and it's like a rocking horse.
my new project will be much lower, but around the same weight and power.....
oh, and look like it's 30 years old.


heh heh.

[Badcat]

A 500 smoker motard would be scary shit alright - the modern smoker doesn't have a powerband like the old days,but they come on sooooo hard and with light flywheels and no engine braking wheelspin is hard to control,a 4 stroke is much more linear,and you can play around in the on/off throttle zone - the 4 stroke throttle is a reostat,the 2 stroke a switch.

Mind you I dirt tracked a TS/TM 400,but it was old school and I used the heavier TS crank and flywheel which smoothed out the radical powerband,it was actualy very 4 stroke in power down,but no engine braking.I rode a WR500 set up as a flattracker too and just couldn't get any traction,any throttle and the rear wheel just spun up....but this was in a practise session before a blue groove had formed.Flattrackers run 19,or 18in front wheels and they put much more load on the front wheel in corners than a motard - even with no engine braking I've gone out on the track and traced at least 3 metres of black rubber from the front tyre of the TS400,that's a long way to push a front tyre in a slide....


i spoke to steve bridge at F1 in hamilton, and he had just measured up an XR750 flat tracker. he said the geometry was identical to a modern GSXR!
think about THAT for a second!

k

[Motu]

i spoke to steve bridge at F1 in hamilton, and he had just measured up an XR750 flat tracker. he said the geometry was identical to a modern GSXR!
think about THAT for a second!

k

It's a well proven setup,and no fluke as to why the Americans were dominant for so many years in GP.But the XR750 has a thousand adjustments - they can alter rake and trail seperatly,or together,alter wheelbase and center of gravity seperatly also,the bike can be quickly set up for any track,or surface change.This is possibly another reason for that period of US dominance - the dirt trackers knew much more about set up and how a small change in geometry or weight distribrution could effect the bike,the Euro's who rode a class bike with little in the way of alterations didn't know this stuff.

[k14]

Well there's a guy down this way that races his CR250 framed CR500 and he seems to do pretty damn well. Consistently in the top 5 in F3. Nice bike too. Not sure what year the frame is but I got the impression that its a pretty new one. Heres a pic of it.

[NordieBoy]

Another view of the SXV.
I like the muffler arrangement a lot.
And it sounds sweeeettt going up through the gears on the straights :D

[Brian d marge]

A 500 smoker motard would be scary shit alright - the modern smoker doesn't have a powerband like the old days,but they come on sooooo hard and with light flywheels and no engine braking wheelspin is hard to control,a 4 stroke is much more linear,and you can play around in the on/off throttle zone - the 4 stroke throttle is a reostat,the 2 stroke a switch.


My Cr I mod the flywheels ..make them big and Move the effective mass of the flywheel out ,,,so It add litle weight but stores a bit of energy Makes the bike much easier to ride .....almost the same as a reostat

Stephen

[Motu]

Same as my TM/TS 400 - the TM had no ign flywheel at all,and the ign curve jumped to full advance soon as it got on pipe,making it kinda dangerous,they earned the bad reputation.But the TS ign flywheel added weight it didn't have before and a softer ign curve smoothed out the power kick,completly tamed an almost unrideable bike.

[sAsLEX]

My Cr I mod the flywheels ..make them big and Move the effective mass of the flywheel out ,,,so It add litle weight but stores a bit of energy Makes the bike much easier to ride .....almost the same as a reostat

Stephen

and that puts its coefficient in the old rotational inertia closer to an ideal ring at 1, where a traditional disc flywheel would be around 0.5, and I would say more like a switch with a big capacitor

[inlinefour]

About as much fun as yer can have with yer pants still on!! :devil2:

[cowpoos]

I've always thought that super retard bikes are for the dirt bike riders that could never learn to control a road bike properly.


shows how ignorant you are...

[spudchucka]

You have to wonder why he did it but it would be fun watching him trying to slip and slide on this thing!!!

http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?t=18310

[Motu]

For Yanks they haven't got a fucking clue about the XR750.

[TonyB]

I'd be going for something thats eligable for BEARS. The Husabergs, KTMs etc at the Nelson street races were eligable for so many classes that they were actually having to quickly fill up and head out again.

[sugilite]

Are there any two stroke motards ?
Yep, mine! see profile photo.
I motarded out my KX500.
Mods were....
Lower and stiffer suspension
17 inch wheels
Fly wheel weight
Larger frount brake
Short frount guard

I won the nth island championship on it and also knocked off the cup for 1st place at one of the mt wellington kart track meets. (Briggs was there too)
I also crashed it a lot!:nono:
The biggest problem I find with it is the abruptness of the initial power stroke. I tried a seally fly wheel weight which helped a "little"
Backing in a large 2 stroke is not really an option on the tar.
I rode a very compeditive KTM 4 stroke back to back with my 500 and the difference was amazing. Exiting the corners the 4-stroke constantly "talked" to me, "I'm about to slide, I'm now starting to slide, I'm now sliding, want to stick it out another inch or so? Where as the 500 in comparrison would just go WROAH "I've slid, are you still hanging on?":gob:

It was quite competitive in the dirt sections, and not to bad at all on the tar sections, I just lost out a bit on initial drive against the 4 strokes out of 1st and 2nd gear corners.
It is BLOODY fast. I did a 1:18 flat at manfield on it, the closest 4 stroke time was Dennis Charlotte on a Husaberg 650 at a 1:21!

I'm just getting the cylynder replated on it and I'll prob race it again here and there...:yes:

[Mental Trousers]

Seen a Husaberg FS650 in race trim with slicks kick the arse of some very, very fast road riders. It was a legendary ride. Go for a Husaberg mate.

[Badcat]

Seen a Husaberg FS650 in race trim with slicks kick the arse of some very, very fast road riders. It was a legendary ride. Go for a Husaberg mate.

the husaberg is a race bike - and needs to be mainained like one.
do you want to change the oil after every 10 hours of use?

if it's a ROAD bike you need, a KTM LC4, honda XR650, Yamaha XT660 Husqvarna SM610 is a MUCH easier bike to live with.
if you want a track-only bike, all of the MX derived bikes like the Husaberg, non-LC4 Ktms, CRFs are the cats Pjs.


k

[Mental Trousers]

the husaberg is a race bike - and needs to be mainained like one.
do you want to change the oil after every 10 hours of use?


I'm betting Bruce will end up racing the thing so 10 hours is longer than the MTBBC (mean time between Bruces crashes)