North Korea

[Voltaire]

Surely the US knows where they launch the ICBM's from?
Kim is far to vain to not be there when they launch.
Send Cruise either Tom or the other sort, job done.

or these guys...

https://resizing.flixster.com/s_CehOlSf-jqd8VvHPf49YCAucY=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTE3NDQ4ODtqOzE3NDk5OzEyMDA7ODQwOzEyMDA

Hair Hitler would be into that.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/AQyvHgtujbQ6_fUCXke1WgYahZY=/620x413/smart/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OTZBNVLT7ZEJLLYA6DE5VWWKYM.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

Best to simply ignore the cunt.

[oldrider]

This might help explain US motives for stirring him up? https://journal-neo.org/2016/11/01/north-korea-is-an-pentagon-vassal-state/ Dated 01/11/2016 :corn:

[jasonu]

Best to simply ignore the cunt.

If NZ was within his strike range you would be saying something else.

[Laava]

If NZ was within his strike range you would be saying something else.

We might be!

[TheDemonLord]

Best to simply ignore the cunt.

We are in the current mess because that's what everyone else opted for...

[Ocean1]

We might be!

Design range of the new KN-08 is 11500km, we're well inside.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If NZ was within his strike range you would be saying something else.

NO.


We are in the current mess because that's what everyone else opted for...

Bullshit. How many countries have they invaded or attacked since WWII? How many have America and it's allies attacked or invaded? Who's the real problem here?

[Grumph]

Design range of the new KN-08 is 11500km, we're well inside.

Send him half a ton of baby food for his latest mini-me - immediately.

Is that the KN-08 or KN-0B ?

[Voltaire]

NO.



Bullshit. How many countries have they invaded or attacked since WWII? How many have America and it's allies attacked or invaded? Who's the real problem here?

From memory they invaded South Korea in 1950 with their buddies the Chinese, which led to years of MASH repeats on the TV.

I think it was split by the same lot that divided Germany after the Japanese were invited to leave after being there for some years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

From memory they invaded South Korea in 1950 with their buddies the Chinese, which led to years of MASH repeats on the TV.

I think it was split by the same lot that divided Germany after the Japanese were invited to leave after being there for some years.

Hahaha...yeah! My money's on the lil fella simply wanting the Yanks to know he can nuke 'em if they get fancy. But either way, should the queer cunt launch one first, not like they can't blow it out of the sky before any real damage is done. Then feel free to attack the cunt. Till then, leave them be.

[Laava]

Design range of the new KN-08 is 11500km, we're well inside.

Oops! I will be more carefull what I say about our glorious comrade from now on!

[Ocean1]

Hahaha...yeah! My money's on the lil fella simply wanting the Yanks to know he can nuke 'em if they get fancy. But either way, should the queer cunt launch one first, not like they can't blow it out of the sky before any real damage is done. Then feel free to attack the cunt. Till then, leave them be.

He's a fucking sociopath with nukes! Whadayamean leave him alone until he uses them? :laugh:

Shooting the fucking things up en route turns out to sub optimal wrt real damage also.

I remember traveling across China, and being quietly pleased to see that most villages had a satellite dish. Great Leader could tell 'em what to think only up to a point. That's not true in the case of NK, it's more or less completely locked in.

[Ocean1]

Oops! I will be more carefull what I say about our glorious comrade from now on!

Wonder if a wee donation to Rocket Lab might not see a Kiwi version of Thor covering our collective arses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

[Woodman]

Why not attack him BEFORE he gets really nuclear capable. Contain the war in korea so it doesn't disturb us and makes good tv.

[Katman]

He's a fucking sociopath with nukes!

Like Trump then.

[Ocean1]

Like Trump then.

Trump a sociopath?

Nah, bit like you though, an idiot with pretensions of adequacy.

[Katman]

Trump a sociopath?

Of course he is.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like Trump then.

Not nearly as stupid as Trump. And Trump has thousands of nukes.

[Oakie]

Surely the US knows where they launch the ICBM's from? Mobile launchers.

[husaberg]

Trump a sociopath?

Nah, bit like you though, an idiot with pretensions of adequacy.

Nah I don’t agree, like trump, katflap is clearly a narcissist with actual sexual inadequacies.

[oldrider]

What the Media Isn’t Telling You About North Korea’s Missile Tests http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=157321 :corn: Interesting - for those that are interested?

[TheDemonLord]

Like Trump then.

Except last I checked - Trump hasn't executed anyone in a School yard for displeasing him or Tortured foreign students to death for nicking a Poster or seized control of all forms of communication in order to broadcast propaganda 24/7

So, in reality, nothing like Trump then.

[TheDemonLord]

Bullshit. How many countries have they invaded or attacked since WWII? How many have America and it's allies attacked or invaded? Who's the real problem here?

How many of their citizens have they Executed and Tortured for effectively Thought crimes? How many have they let Starve to death through negligent policy?

And lets be honest - if it wasn't their Ally China to the North and the threat of instigating WW3 to the south - I'd bet NK would try and invade other countries (just like the multiple 'Communist Revolutions' curiously sprang up in Countries in and around Russia in that Time frame)

[Katman]

So, in reality, nothing like Trump then.

Referring specifically to the quote "He's a fucking sociopath with nukes!" he's just like Trump.

Learn to fucking read.

[Katman]

And lets be honest - if it wasn't their Ally China to the North and the threat of instigating WW3 to the south - I'd bet NK would try and invade other countries (just like the multiple 'Communist Revolutions' curiously sprang up in Countries in and around Russia in that Time frame)

Perhaps you could try reading the link that old rider provided - and broaden your outlook.

[TheDemonLord]

Referring specifically to the quote "He's a fucking sociopath with nukes!" he's just like Trump.

Learn to fucking read.

Except the point of my retort was to show that Trump is clearly NOT a Sociopath.... As evidenced by the lack of Sociopathic actions that I mentioned....

Perhaps it is you that needs to learn to Read....

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps you could try reading the link that old rider provided - and broaden your outlook.

Or you could try reading the history of Marxism and Communism in the 20th Century and broaden your...

Actually, never mind, I forget that you and reality aren't well acquainted

[Crasherfromwayback]

How many of their citizens have they Executed and Tortured for effectively Thought crimes? How many have they let Starve to death through negligent policy?

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You mean like the police force in the States? And the lack of empathy the same ruling government has? Much like ours? Creating the same situation here, that they've now had for decades? And National wants to remove the rights of gang members so we (they) can kick their doors down, and search their houses without need for a warrant because at some stage...they've been naughty?

Eat shit.

[TheDemonLord]

You mean like the police force in the States? And the lack of empathy the same ruling government has? Much like ours? Creating the same situation here, that they've now had for decades? And National wants to remove the rights of gang members so we (they) can kick their doors down, and search their houses without need for a warrant because at some stage...they've been naughty?

Eat shit.

Your response is like looking at a MotoGP bike, then looking at a 50cc scooter and saying they are the same because they have 2 wheels.

Put it this way, you can say something like that, So can Katman - and neither of you have to worry about you, your entire family and your friends being rounded up at 2 am by the State Security Department - carted off to a Concentration camp for Torture, extracted confession and Murder.

So no, I don't mean like the Police force in the States.

Perhaps instead of Eating shit, you might wish to read about the activities of North Korea's Communist Peers (Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Stalin etc.)

Something Something lack of Government Empathy Something.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your response is like looking at a MotoGP bike, then looking at a 50cc scooter and saying they are the same because they have 2 wheels.


Perhaps instead of Eating shit, you might wish to read about the activities of North Korea's Communist Peers (Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Stalin etc.)

Something Something lack of Government Empathy Something.

You know nothing of a Moto GP bike, so I'll just forget you even mentioned it.

Next...

You obviously like eating shit?

Because God only knows, you've swallowed that much of it. Big Old Bad Bogie man is coming to get us! Oh...who is me!!!! Grow some balls.

[TheDemonLord]

You know nothing of a Moto GP bike, so I'll just forget you even mentioned it.

I know it's not a 50cc Scooter :msn-wink:


Next...

You obviously like eating shit?

Because God only knows, you've swallowed that much of it. Big Old Bad Bogie man is coming to get us! Oh...who is me!!!! Grow some balls.

So everyone who defected from North Korea is lying?
What about people such as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Sulamith Messerer - They are also Lying?
Then you have people such as Vasily Blokhin who wasn't exactly Shy about what he did - he must also be Lying
And Cambodia - a quarter of the entire population who died - the numbers must be lying? What about the Mass graves containing thousands of Skulls - I guess that must be part of an elaborate ruse...
Camp S21 and it's survivors - I guess they just made it all up (you know, except for their descriptions of what was used matching up with the equipment found and the official records)

This is made even more Ironic that if we lived under the Dictatorships you've espoused support for - you'd be the very first one against the wall.

[Katman]

So everyone who defected from North Korea is lying?

Face it dude, you know jack fucking shit about the current North Korean situation other than the narrative you're being fed by the mainstream media.

[Voltaire]

Face it dude, you know jack fucking shit about the current North Korean situation other than the narrative you're being fed by the mainstream media.

Please enlighten us with your insight, we may not have a lot of time.

I thought there was a general world consensus that Kim was a cruel and brutal dictator and mixed with nukes were not a great combination? ( taken from Stuff)

[Katman]

( taken from Stuff)

:facepalm:

[Doppleganger]

Please enlighten us with your insight, we may not have a lot of time.

I thought there was a general world consensus that Kim was a cruel and brutal dictator and mixed with nukes were not a great combination? ( taken from Stuff)

Wouldn't believe anything Stuff say mate, they run hand in hand with that other troll conspiracy theorist Hager.

Kim was a little tin pot dictator that killed anyone that (even family) that didn't agree with him but no one really cared, now he has nukes people are starting to jump up and down.
I imagine America have what is needed to shoot the missiles out of the sky if we are to believe there own propaganda. They showed us they could do it in there last little invasion.

[Ocean1]

Please enlighten us with your insight, we may not have a lot of time.

It's OK, dude, given the quantity of enlightenment involved it won't take very long at all.


:facepalm:

See! :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I know it's not a 50cc Scooter :msn-wink:



So everyone who defected from North Korea is lying?
What about people such as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Sulamith Messerer - They are also Lying?
Then you have people such as Vasily Blokhin who wasn't exactly Shy about what he did - he must also be Lying
And Cambodia - a quarter of the entire population who died - the numbers must be lying? What about the Mass graves containing thousands of Skulls - I guess that must be part of an elaborate ruse...
Camp S21 and it's survivors - I guess they just made it all up (you know, except for their descriptions of what was used matching up with the equipment found and the official records)

This is made even more Ironic that if we lived under the Dictatorships you've espoused support for - you'd be the very first one against the wall.

What a fuckwit. I'll just remind you of....Iraq. How's that working out for us? So yeah. Lets go and invade another country that has weapons of mass destruction, and see how that helps world peace. What a fucking winner!

[James Deuce]

Design range of the new KN-08 is 11500km, we're well inside.
Bear in mind that that is an 11500km random target including a great deal of water range.

[James Deuce]

Except the point of my retort was to show that Trump is clearly NOT a Sociopath.... As evidenced by the lack of Sociopathic actions that I mentioned....

Perhaps it is you that needs to learn to Read....
What? I think publicly stating at a public function that you'd like to fuck your daughter is clearly the act of a sociopath. He clearly has no regard for consequence.

[Katman]

What a fuckwit. I'll just remind you of....Iraq. How's that working out for us? So yeah. Lets go and invade another country that has weapons of mass destruction, and see how that helps world peace. What a fucking winner!

Maybe Kim Jong Un saw what happened to Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi, and what the West are currently trying on with Bashar al-Assad, and decided "Fuck you cunts, you're not pulling that one on me".

[James Deuce]

I know it's not a 50cc Scooter :msn-wink:



So everyone who defected from North Korea is lying?
What about people such as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Sulamith Messerer - They are also Lying?
Then you have people such as Vasily Blokhin who wasn't exactly Shy about what he did - he must also be Lying
And Cambodia - a quarter of the entire population who died - the numbers must be lying? What about the Mass graves containing thousands of Skulls - I guess that must be part of an elaborate ruse...
Camp S21 and it's survivors - I guess they just made it all up (you know, except for their descriptions of what was used matching up with the equipment found and the official records)

This is made even more Ironic that if we lived under the Dictatorships you've espoused support for - you'd be the very first one against the wall.

That's a false dichotomy and a strawman and an almost sarcastic ad hominem. It's almost like you're trying to throw so much shit out that it will take weeks to unpack it logically and calmly. It's a Gish Gallop is what it is.

[James Deuce]

Maybe Kim Jong Un saw what happened to Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi, and what the West are currently trying on with Bashar al-Assad, and decided "Fuck you cunts, you're not pulling that one on me".
He actually has no other way to react, it's baked into the National Psyche of Nth Korea. We keep forgetting that 60 years ago we, yes we, turned that part of the world in rubble because "COMMUNISTS!".

If we had any brains we'd have been busy turning Nth America (Sorry Canada and Mexico, but you, collateral damage and all and trust me, it's worth it in the long run) into obsidian instead of making the Middle East and Asia suffer for nothing.

[Katman]

And let's not forget that as soon as North Korea has been 'dealt with', Iran will be firmly back in the cross hairs.

It's time the world stood up and told America to go fuck themselves.

[Ocean1]

Bear in mind that that is an 11500km random target including a great deal of water range.

And the random element should make us feel safer because?

[TheDemonLord]

Face it dude, you know jack fucking shit about the current North Korean situation other than the narrative you're being fed by the mainstream media.

So, they are lying then?

The problem that you have in defending North Korea - is that we can draw parallels between it and every other genocidal totalitarian communist dictatorship - and the similarities are so close as to be nearly identical.

[TheDemonLord]

What a fuckwit. I'll just remind you of....Iraq. How's that working out for us? So yeah. Lets go and invade another country that has weapons of mass destruction, and see how that helps world peace. What a fucking winner!

I've said many times that the WMD claim for Iraq was bogus...

However - unless you've missed it, NK has claimed themselves (with fairly convincing supporting evidence) that they both have tested a Nuclear device and have tested a platform to deliver it.

Compare this with Saddamns insistence that he no longer had a WMD program.

[TheDemonLord]

What? I think publicly stating at a public function that you'd like to fuck your daughter is clearly the act of a sociopath. He clearly has no regard for consequence.

Let's take your interpretation at face value:

Since when does an Incest fetish (which I should point out, it far more common than you might realise - especially amongst women) equal Sociopathy? Pro-tip: It doesn't.

I think Trump has some regard for the Consequences:

People told him he would never be a Candidate - He proved them wrong
People told him he would never win the primaries - He proved them wrong
People told him he would never be the President - He proved them wrong

However - if you can point me to the time when Trump executed someone using an AA gun for falling asleep in a meeting - I might concede he's a Sociopath...

[TheDemonLord]

That's a false dichotomy

You mean like comparing the activities of the US police occasionally shooting people with the activities of NK Secret police... Yes - of couse it's a false Dichotomy - that was the entire point...


and a strawman

It really isn't.


and an almost sarcastic ad hominem.

Not even close - you'll know when I'm insulting you and avoiding the point, cause I'll be insulting you. It's Sarcastic, yes - because that is how I roll.


It's almost like you're trying to throw so much shit out that it will take weeks to unpack it logically and calmly. It's a Gish Gallop is what it is.

BS - a Gish Gallop would be far longer (like 101 reasons why x is Y) - I provided 8 related examples from different countries - to show that this is neither a one-off or something that can be dismissed as the ravings of a disgruntled person or group.

but if you want - I'll be happy to pick one and discuss it.

[TheDemonLord]

He actually has no other way to react, it's baked into the National Psyche of Nth Korea. We keep forgetting that 60 years ago we, yes we, turned that part of the world in rubble because "COMMUNISTS!".

If we had any brains we'd have been busy turning Nth America (Sorry Canada and Mexico, but you, collateral damage and all and trust me, it's worth it in the long run) into obsidian instead of making the Middle East and Asia suffer for nothing.

Except you forget the 150-200 Million people that died:


because "COMMUNISTS!".

And if what you say is true - how come South Korea is a hugely prosperous country, how come Japan (who got 2 nukes dropped on them) is a world economic Power?

It's almost as if all the Communist countries that murdered their own people are repressive shitholes and all the Capitalist countries did rather well for themselves.

Funny that...

Or is 2 points too much for you and a Gish Gallop?

[Swoop]

From memory they invaded South Korea in 1950 with their buddies the Chinese, which led to years of MASH repeats on the TV.
Almost right. Russia prompted the northern part of Korea to take over the southern part to spread the wonderful word that communism brings, and they got as far as the very south of the peninsula.
The Inchon landings started the reversal and eventually the entire country had been taken over by allied forces, all the way up to the chinese border. At that stage a hurried deal was made between Russia and china for the chinese forces to get involved. The line stabilized roughly where the border is today.
The chinese are not friends or allies with the North Koreans, but regard them as a lesser type of people but who they can work with at times...



I remember traveling across China, and being quietly pleased to see that most villages had a satellite dish. Great Leader could tell 'em what to think only up to a point. That's not true in the case of NK, it's more or less completely locked in.

Lots of info gets into NK. Chinese cellphone towers can provide a signal (big bribes need to be paid if you get caught though) and there is oddly, in the middle of Pyongyang large transmitters broadcasting free access to the internet. The ruling classes and elite families like this, but it is another reason that the dictatorship hates foreign embassies in the city.
Word of relevant news travels very quickly among the population after that.

[James Deuce]

And the random element should make us feel safer because?
No one is safe.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The problem that you have in defending North Korea - is that we can draw parallels between it and every other genocidal totalitarian communist dictatorship - and the similarities are so close as to be nearly identical.

Let me get this right. Because they're killing their own people...we should invade them, and kill millions more ourselves? Sounds legit.

[TheDemonLord]

Let me get this right. Because they're killing their own people...we should invade them, and kill millions more ourselves? Sounds legit.

No, you didn't 'get this right'.

For a start - Would we kill millions in an Invasion of North Korea? Well, that I doubt - considering that the first gulf war was against the then 5th largest army in the world and I don't think the deathtoll from that war got to even a quarter of a Million.

So I'd say pick your poison: Death by US bombs or NK bullets.

but anyhow - it's not because they are killing their own people (although stopping the systematic torture and murder of a population is a pretty good justification for armed intervention - unless of course, you're cool with Genocide...)

It's because you've got the narcissistic sociopath Son of a Narcissistic sociopath, who is surrounded by sycophants and yes-men who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear (lest they find themselves on the business end of a flak cannon) and who have been indoctrinated over a period of some 60 years, and now they appear to both have Nuclear capability, but more importantly - a means to deliver it. And in contrast to almost all other Nuclear capable nations, 'The Glorious Leader' is accountable to no one, and has repeatedly ignored international requests and directives.

[Katman]

'The Glorious Leader' is accountable to no one, and has repeatedly ignored international requests and directives.

Sounds like Benjamin Netanyahu.

[Voltaire]

:facepalm:


Wouldn't believe anything Stuff say mate, they run hand in hand with that other troll conspiracy theorist Hager.

Kim was a little tin pot dictator that killed anyone that (even family) that didn't agree with him but no one really cared, now he has nukes people are starting to jump up and down.
I imagine America have what is needed to shoot the missiles out of the sky if we are to believe there own propaganda. They showed us they could do it in there last little invasion.

http://www.onextrapixel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/hook.jpg

Where has the fun gone....:lol:

[Crasherfromwayback]

but anyhow - it's not because they are killing their own people (although stopping the systematic torture and murder of a population is a pretty good justification for armed intervention - unless of course, you're cool with Genocide...)

It's because you've got the narcissistic sociopath Son of a Narcissistic sociopath, who is surrounded by sycophants and yes-men who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear (lest they find themselves on the business end of a flak cannon) and who have been indoctrinated over a period of some 60 years, and now they appear to both have Nuclear capability, but more importantly - a means to deliver it. And in contrast to almost all other Nuclear capable nations, 'The Glorious Leader' is accountable to no one, and has repeatedly ignored international requests and directives.

For a guy that likes to try and come across as intelligent, you're pretty fucking thick. So, I'll make this as simple as I can. I'm def not down with genocide. BUT, I'm even less down with the killing of the same innocents by our bullets and bombs. If they want to overthrow the sick cunt, go for gold. But fucked if we should get involved unless ASKED to. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Seriously...when will we fucking learn to mind our own fucking business? And sure it'll become our business, if the queer cunt lobs missiles at us. But until then? Simply fuck off. And you wonder why we have cunts running people down with cars and trucks?

[TheDemonLord]

For a guy that likes to try and come across as intelligent, you're pretty fucking thick. So, I'll make this as simple as I can. I'm def not down with genocide. BUT, I'm even less down with the killing of the same innocents by our bullets and bombs.

So, standing by and letting Genocide happen (according to you) is the more preferable option.

Cool.

You're a Cunt.


If they want to overthrow the sick cunt, go for gold. But fucked if we should get involved unless ASKED to. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Seriously...when will we fucking learn to mind our own fucking business? And sure it'll become our business, if the queer cunt lobs missiles at us. But until then? Simply fuck off. And you wonder why we have cunts running people down with cars and trucks?

Cause that strategy worked so well in 1939 didn't it....

If you combine the total number of people (on all sides) killed in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, it doesn't come to 1/50th of those killed in WW2.

You ask when will we fucking learn to mind our own fucking business?
I ask when will we fucking learn to heed the lessons of fucking history!

The time honored axiom that is applicable here is "A stitch in time, saves 9"

[TheDemonLord]

Sounds like Benjamin Netanyahu.

Like, but not the same.

For example, the Israelis can always elect a different president, the North Koreans can't.

Also see point about murdering people for falling asleep in meetings.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, standing by and letting Genocide happen (according to you) is the more preferable option.

Cool.

You're a Cunt.



Cause that strategy worked so well in 1939 didn't it....

"

Not at all what I said, and just proves how thick you are.

Aye, but it's not 1939 anymore is it, Dopey? Best he'll be able to do is head a missile off. Which we'll blow out of the sky before anyone is killed. THEN, and only THEN, we can do something about it. Fuck me you're simple.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I ask when will we fucking learn to heed the lessons of fucking history!



Hey Mr History Professor! What is the only country that's ever used an atomic bomb on innocent civilians? My memory is failing me...

[TheDemonLord]

Not at all what I said, and just proves how thick you are.

Your exact quote:

I'm def not down with genocide. BUT, I'm even less down with the killing of the same innocents by our bullets and bombs.

So, in a choice between Genocide and Armed Intervention - you've indicated that armed intervention is the least preferable option. By that extension (considering this is a Binary choice) that means that Genocide has a higher preference.

Either what you meant isn't what you typed or maybe the thick person isn't who you think it is.


Aye, but it's not 1939 anymore is it, Dopey?

Narcisstic Sociopath with a hatred for a particular group, engaged in brutal repression of the populace and actively developing a Cult of Personality for the dictator by means of a Massive nationwide Propaganda scheme, desperately trying to achieve Military Parity with it's neighbours.

Tell me again how it's nothing like 1939...


Best he'll be able to do is head a missile off. Which we'll blow out of the sky before anyone is killed. THEN, and only THEN, we can do something about it. Fuck me you're simple.

First off - no Weapons system is 100% reliable - so will we be able to blow it out of the sky? last I looked, the tech being tested had an 80% success rate - and when the risk of failure would most likely be a death toll in excess of a Million people - you want to play those odds?

Next - Do you know that if the missle is intercepted, the Nuclear warheads will fail safe? you might shoot down the body of the missle, but Gravity is a thing - do you know if they won't detonate on impact?

Do you know if they have developed MRV - I believe the current Trident's are capable of having up to 10 MRVs, each one supposed to be around the 100 Kt mark - so with an 80% success rate - that's 2 100 Kt warheads getting through - that's the equivelent of 16 Hiroshimas.

Assume then that it's destroyed completely in flight - do you know what the environmental, social and ecological impact will be of having enriched fissile material powderised in the upper atmosphere? I'd guess that it would make Chernobyl look like a Picnic.

So yeah - Great plan.

10/10.

[Katman]

And who is it that's prone to threats of nuclear warfare?

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/samson-option-upheld

[Katman]

Narcisstic Sociopath with a hatred for a particular group, engaged in brutal repression of the populace

Sounds like Netanyahu again.

[TheDemonLord]

Hey Mr History Professor! What is the only country that's ever used an atomic bomb on innocent civilians? My memory is failing me...

Your point?

Or are you trying to judge the child on the Sins of the Father?

[TheDemonLord]

Sounds like Netanyahu again.

Except that pesky mandate of the People part...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or are you trying to judge the child on the Sins of the Father?

Ooooh. How profound! Another question for you. If the worlds biggest bully (who just happens to have a habit of invading other counties for their belongings), was very heavily armed with a huge nuclear arsenal, would you yourself want to have access to the same weapons? And if that very same bully tried to tell you you weren't allowed them, what would you do? Serious question.

[TheDemonLord]

Ooooh. How profound! Another question for you. If the worlds biggest bully (who just happens to have a habit of invading other counties for their belongings), was very heavily armed with a huge nuclear arsenal, would you yourself want to have access to the same weapons? And if that very same bully tried to tell you you weren't allowed them, what would you do? Serious question.

For sure it's a serious question, but it's phrasing is entrenched in a deep ideological bias that I don't share.

So before I answer - let me ask a counter question:

Is it right that an armed Police officer (ie they have a gun) stops someone who repeatedly beats their partner with their fists from obtaining a Gun?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that in the above scenario - you would want the officer stopping that person - am I correct?

Back to your question - it hinges on whether or not you think the US is the worlds biggest Bully. For sure, we could argue at great length about the pros and cons of US foreign policy over the last 70 odd years. But there is one immutable fact that you must consider - if I pile the corpses of everyone the US has killed, either explicitly in war or implicitly as the result of US intervention (and I'm using the Katman definition here, not the one I agree with) - you get a generous guesstimate (so using the highest numbers available and some very hasty maths) of around 5-10 million people - in the course of 70 years.

Now, you could make a case that this is clear proof that it's the worlds biggest bully - except when you consider what Communism did in the same time frame - the lowest estimates are about 150 Million people.

Who is the bigger Bully? Those that killed 10 Million, or those that killed 150 Million? Suppose now I add some context that a fair amount of those 10 Million was done in the effort to stop the spread of the ideology that killed 150 Million - Are they still a Bully? Because stopping someone who is rampantly killing other people isn't generally associated with the actions of a Bully.

Again, back to the question - if I was ideologically possessed or I had feelings of inadequacy - then of course, I would act in the manner you've described - but I must ask - are these the sort of people that you want with access to Nuclear Weapons? Back to the Police analogy, if one were to apply for a Firearm and your reasons were either ideologically based for wanting it or because you felt inferior and 'wanted to feel like a real man' - I'd bet that you'd get a big fat 'DENIED' stamp on your application - because these aren't the sort of people you want running round with Firearms, much less Nuclear Weaponry.

To close then - I would seek clear diplomatic boundaries and establish my independent sovereignty, I would have a defence force with a primary focus on defending my country and my people and a secondary focus on providing humanitarian assistance as and when needed. I would seek to maintain good working relationships with the countries I trade with and have ties to (cultural and historical) . And I would keep eternally vigilant for threats and seek to deal with them (diplomatically or otherwise) before they escalated into a crisis.

[Katman]

Now, you could make a case that this is clear proof that it's the worlds biggest bully - except when you consider what Communism did in the same time frame - the lowest estimates are about 150 Million people.


Let me guess.....

You got that figure from the same source that warned us of COMMUNISM!!!!

[Katman]

Back to your question - it hinges on whether or not you think the US is the worlds biggest Bully.

Yes - yes they are.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes - yes they are.

See the part about Ideological perspectives that I don't agree with...

[TheDemonLord]

Let me guess.....

You got that figure from the same source that warned us of COMMUNISM!!!!

Multiple sources actually - Some neutral, some with bias - but the reality is - can you point to a Communist regime that didn't end up as a brutal dictatorship with a failed economy?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who is the bigger Bully?

Ummmm...these cunts perhaps?

332500

All for our own good of course!

[Crasherfromwayback]

- can you point to a Communist regime that didn't end up as a brutal dictatorship with a failed economy?

China?







































..............what do I win?

[Katman]

can you point to a Communist regime that didn't end up as a brutal dictatorship with a failed economy?

Vietnam's doing pretty well for themselves.

Plus they got to give America a fucking good kicking along the way.

[jasonu]

Hey Mr History Professor! What is the only country that's ever used an atomic bomb on innocent civilians? My memory is failing me...

Those cunts bombed Pearl harbor before they declared war on America and Britain. They got what they deserved.

[Banditbandit]

China?



..............what do I win?




You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Crasherfromwayback again.

[TheDemonLord]

China?
..............what do I win?

Nothing - because once it embraced some of the principles of Capitalism, it was only THEN that it became a world power.

Pure Communism went till about 1978, the result? Millions dead from Starvation (see the Great Leap forward and the Great Chinese Famine)

After 1978 when they allowed Private enterprise, Foreign investment and de-collectivized Agriculture, it's now a weird bastardized hybrid.

TL;DR - Communism failed so badly it needed Capitalism to rescue it.

Fuck me, do you even History?

Not to mention the whole Brutal Dictatorship of Chairman Mao...

[TheDemonLord]

Vietnam's doing pretty well for themselves.

Plus they got to give America a fucking good kicking along the way.

Again - like China, in the 1980s, they abandoned the Communist ideal of a centrally planned economy and allowed free market enterprise (capitalism).

Once they did that - as if by magic, the Country started to recover.

[Katman]

Again - like China, in the 1980s, they abandoned the Communist ideal of a centrally planned economy and allowed free market enterprise (capitalism).

Once they did that - as if by magic, the Country started to recover.

Both China and Vietnam are still Communist countries - with Communist regimes.

Fuck off back and read your question again.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Both China and Vietnam are still Communist countries - with Communist regimes.

Fuck off back and read your question again.

Beat me to it. Then the cunt simply tries to twist everything, with multiple lines of drivel, when he's been caught out...

[TheDemonLord]

Both China and Vietnam are still Communist countries - with Communist regimes.

Fuck off back and read your question again.

Which failed, miserably, until rescued by Capitalism.

Considering one of the key tenants of Communism is collective ownership and a rejection of capitalist private enterprise, you can't have both - which is why they are referred to as a Socialist state.

Both instances (Vietnam and China) went through a period of a Failed economy with brutal repression at the hands of Dictators.

Perhaps it is you who needs to go back and read the question again.

[TheDemonLord]

Beat me to it. Then the cunt simply tries to twist everything, with multiple lines of drivel, when he's been caught out...

If by twist everything you mean "point out reality" - then sure...

[Crasherfromwayback]

If by twist everything you mean "point out reality" - then sure...

No. I mean talk utter shit.

[T.W.R]

Those cunts bombed Pearl harbor before they declared war on America and Britain. They got what they deserved.

The Yanks & the Europeans had actually crippled Japan before that happened with sanctions imposed on them because of what had been going on between Japan & China for decades prior.....Pearl Harbour was a last desperate lash out because they were nigh on fucked by the sanctions and the country was desperate.

[Ocean1]

The Yanks & the Europeans had actually crippled Japan before that happened with sanctions imposed on them because of what had been going on between Japan & China for decades prior.....Pearl Harbour was a last desperate lash out because they were nigh on fucked by the sanctions and the country was desperate.

They cant have been all that airtight behind that bamboo curtain, the remains of the kamikaze bomber that hit the Missouri included a tyre made in the US the year before.

[jasonu]

The Yanks & the Europeans had actually crippled Japan before that happened with sanctions imposed on them because of what had been going on between Japan & China for decades prior.....Pearl Harbour was a last desperate lash out because they were nigh on fucked by the sanctions and the country was desperate.

Maybe they should have gone north and bombed London. Might have worked out less catastrophic for them.

[T.W.R]

They cant have been all that airtight behind that bamboo curtain, the remains of the kamikaze bomber that hit the Missouri included a tyre made in the US the year before.

ha yeah it pretty much depended on who was flavour of the month :yes:
Just the same as the yanks were the number one support for the germans after WWI giving them monetary support after the treaty of versailles crippled them.

That's where Putin & China have got a few clues currently saying the talk of imposing more sanctions wont do any good....a bit of foresight to stop history repeating itself

[T.W.R]

Maybe they should have gone north and bombed London. Might have worked out less catastrophic for them.

I think on the grand scale of things Japan came out on top in the long run :yes:

[Grumph]

Beat me to it. Then the cunt simply tries to twist everything, with multiple lines of drivel, when he's been caught out...

I suspect it's Stephen Joyce posting in his spare time.....

[TheDemonLord]

No. I mean talk utter shit.

There you go again, typing one thing initially, then saying you meant something else...

[TheDemonLord]

I suspect it's Stephen Joyce posting in his spare time.....

Curses! I've been outed!



















Oh wait, No, No I haven't.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, in a choice between Genocide and Armed Intervention - you've indicated that armed intervention is the least preferable option. By that extension (considering this is a Binary choice) that means that Genocide has a higher preference.

Either what you meant isn't what you typed or maybe the thick person isn't who you think it is.

As I said..yep. You're the thick cunt. What I ACTUALLY said, was I'd far rather they not be killed by us. :msn-wink:




First off - no Weapons system is 100% reliable - so will we be able to blow it out of the sky? last I looked, the tech being tested had an 80% success rate - and when the risk of failure would most likely be a death toll in excess of a Million people - you want to play those odds?

Can you tell me how many times Israel has been hit by rockets and/or missiles of late?

Do you know if they have developed MRV - I believe the current Trident's are capable of having up to 10 MRVs, each one supposed to be around the 100 Kt mark - so with an 80% success rate - that's 2 100 Kt warheads getting through - that's the equivelent of 16 Hiroshimas.

I see the word *if* here.

.

If Iraq had WOMD, we may've been ok in invading them. Yeah...still nah.

[Crasherfromwayback]

- can you point to a Communist regime that didn't end up as a brutal dictatorship with a failed economy?


Nothing - because once it embraced some of the principles of Capitalism, it was only THEN that it became a world power.

Pure Communism went till about 1978, the result? Millions dead from Starvation (see the Great Leap forward and the Great Chinese Famine)

After 1978 when they allowed Private enterprise, Foreign investment and de-collectivized Agriculture, it's now a weird bastardized hybrid.

TL;DR - Communism failed so badly it needed Capitalism to rescue it.

Fuck me, do you even History?

Not to mention the whole Brutal Dictatorship of Chairman Mao...


Which failed, miserably, until rescued by Capitalism.

Considering one of the key tenants of Communism is collective ownership and a rejection of capitalist private enterprise, you can't have both - which is why they are referred to as a Socialist state.

Both instances (Vietnam and China) went through a period of a Failed economy with brutal repression at the hands of Dictators.

Perhaps it is you who needs to go back and read the question again.


If by twist everything you mean "point out reality" - then sure...


There you go again, typing one thing initially, then saying you meant something else...

Ummmm...that would seem to be your gig by the look of it eh?

:msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Ummmm...that would seem to be your gig by the look of it eh?

:msn-wink:

Sure - if you completely ignore the History of Chairman Mao's China and the Great Chinese famine...

or that Vietnam prior to initiating Capitalist reforms couldn't pay it's way in the world and had inflation of about 700%.

or Ho Chi Minhs land grab with the accompanying edict of executing 1 in 1000 people.

Both of those countries had failed Economies, Food shortages, and Dictators with a penchant for execution and repression.

Both of them then allowed a little bit of Capitalism in (so breaking with some of the core communist principles) and their economies have been growing ever since.

[Crasherfromwayback]

can you point to a Communist regime that didn't end up as a brutal dictatorship with a failed economy?


China?


Vietnam's doing pretty well for themselves..

Your original question, with two correct answers.


There you go again, typing one thing initially, then saying you meant something else...


Sure - if you completely ignore the History of Chairman Mao's China and the Great Chinese famine...

or that Vietnam prior to initiating Capitalist reforms couldn't pay it's way in the world and had inflation of about 700%.

or Ho Chi Minhs land grab with the accompanying edict of executing 1 in 1000 people.

Both of those countries had failed Economies, Food shortages, and Dictators with a penchant for execution and repression.

Both of them then allowed a little bit of Capitalism in (so breaking with some of the core communist principles) and their economies have been growing ever since.


This is how you waffle on, twist shit to try and save your butt, but look even sillier after the dust settles.

So, again...you try to come across as oh so intelligent, but realistically, you're a friendless nerd with too much time on his hands that reads too much, but lacks a basic grasp of what it is you're actually reading.

But please do keep trying. If at first you don't succeed and all that.

I'm off to do a bit of photography, so sorry if you feel ignored.

[Murray]

Bullshit. How many countries have they invaded or attacked since WWII?


Hahaha...yeah! My money's on the lil fella simply wanting the Yanks to know he can nuke 'em if they get fancy. But either way, should the queer cunt launch one first, not like they can't blow it out of the sky before any real damage is done. Then feel free to attack the cunt. Till then, leave them be.


Hey Mr History Professor! What is the only country that's ever used an atomic bomb on innocent civilians? My memory is failing me...


Ooooh. How profound! Another question for you. If the worlds biggest bully (who just happens to have a habit of invading other counties for their belongings), was very heavily armed with a huge nuclear arsenal, would you yourself want to have access to the same weapons? And if that very same bully tried to tell you you weren't allowed them, what would you do? Serious question.


If Iraq had WOMD, we may've been ok in invading them. Yeah...still nah.

All very good and OK some good points but tell me how would you feel if they were sending missiles over NZ as a means of testing them. Like they have done with Japan which no-one seems to have mentioned

[TheDemonLord]

Your original question, with two correct answers.

Except they aren't - cause both countries ended up as failed economies, headed by a Dictator until they stopped following the edicts of Marx/Lenin and allowed some form of Free Market capitalism.

That's the key bit that you are ignoring and then trying to claim that you are right.

I'll spell it out for you real simple like:

Free market Capitalism and Communism cannot co-exist. They are the polar opposites of each other.

Socialism, however CAN exist in a Free Market Capitalist state.

The moment that both countries stopped being Communist by allowing private enterprise (which is in direct conflict with the fundamental tenant of Communism) they changed into a Socialist state.

If it makes you happy - the Communist party is still in power, but a Communist country, they ain't.

To quote the Bearded bastard himself:


In Communism, the Workers own the means of Production

If you've got private ownership of business - you don't have Communism.


This is how you waffle on, twist shit to try and save your butt, but look even sillier after the dust settles.

So, again...you try to come across as oh so intelligent, but realistically, you're a friendless nerd with too much time on his hands that reads too much, but lacks a basic grasp of what it is you're actually reading.

But please do keep trying. If at first you don't succeed and all that.

I'm off to do a bit of photography, so sorry if you feel ignored.

Good for you - Maybe instead of throwing insults and taking pictures, you could read a book or two...




but if you did that, you might be dangerous

[Crasherfromwayback]

but tell me how would you feel if they were sending missiles over NZ as a means of testing them. Like they have done with Japan which no-one seems to have mentioned

Very nervous. But I still don't think I'd automatically want to bomb/invade them like Old Demon Lard.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good for you - Maybe instead of throwing insults and taking pictures, you could read a book or two...




but if you did that, you might be dangerous

No way. I've seen what too much reading has done for you. And as far as photography goes, bet you wrote the book on that too. I must say though, seeing you dig yourself into a corner, then try to fight your way out is well fucking funny. So please, carry on.

And I could be dangerous? Nah, that's simple cunts like yourself, that let mainstream Western media get your panties in a bunch so badly,that you think the boogy man is coming to get you, so we'd best invade/bomb him first.

So so intelligent ain't ya!

[jasonu]

Very nervous. But I still don't think I'd automatically want to bomb/invade them like Old Demon Lard.

So you would wait for them to actually drop one on Wellington before doing something about it?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you would wait for them to actually drop one on Wellington before doing something about it?

Dude...you're giving yourself nightmares. Here, have a soothing song for bedtime...


https://www.facebook.com/RareAndStrangeInstruments/videos/1328423647243236/?hc_ref=ARQJvLDOfVdgoOuffsPHZBWf6Ok9tbfL_hDKK11AM--RFMf8ob4PpK1mRUT03yI6MBU

[Grumph]

So you would wait for them to actually drop one on Wellington before doing something about it?

Well the rest of NZ would - but it's a tossup between there or Auckland....

[ellipsis]

bet you wrote the book on that too.



:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

No way. I've seen what too much reading has done for you.

Wow. I don't think even Yokel has made a statement that Stupid. And it's stupid on so many different levels.


And as far as photography goes, bet you wrote the book on that too.

On the Contrary - I have zero interest, skill or expertise in that realm.


I must say though, seeing you dig yourself into a corner, then try to fight your way out is well fucking funny. So please, carry on.

Is that more or less Funny than watching people ignore the parts of history that prove them wrong, in order to maintain their narrative?


And I could be dangerous? Nah, that's simple cunts like yourself, that let mainstream Western media get your panties in a bunch so badly,that you think the boogy man is coming to get you, so we'd best invade/bomb him first.

Sure thing Neville Chamberlain...

However, of interesting note - is that you prattle on like an empty can about 'The MSM' - but you would know that most of our current media has a distinct left-wing bias - and even THEY call out North Korea, that should be a hint of how bad North Korea is, that even closet communists say bad things about it.


So so intelligent ain't ya!

Anytime you want to take an IQ test, I'll be here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anytime you want to take an IQ test, I'll be here.

There are many types of intelligence, I'm sure you know this. I have a friend, IQ off the charts, was doing 7th form math in the 3rd form, teachers couldn't keep up with him by the time he was in 5th form. But fuck me he's stupid, and done some of THE dumbest things I've ever seen...so yeah, couldn't give a shit about any cunts *IQ* rating actually.

But it took me all of two seconds to answer your question regarding communist states/counties if that helps. :innocent:

[TheDemonLord]

There are many types of intelligence, I'm sure you know this.

Actually there is only a theory of Multiple Intelligences and to date there has been no definitive study showing said theory to be true. The overarching critique is that the so-called multiple intelligences all factor back to G (General Intelligence)

Perhaps my favourite quote on this subject is from one Linda Gottfredson:


The ideas of multiple non-g intelligences are very attractive to many due to the suggestion that everyone can be smart in some way


I have a friend, IQ off the charts, was doing 7th form math in the 3rd form, teachers couldn't keep up with him by the time he was in 5th form. But fuck me he's stupid, and done some of THE dumbest things I've ever seen...so yeah, couldn't give a shit about any cunts *IQ* rating actually.

Have you ever asked why he does things in an unconventional manner?

I bet you'd be one of those people that snorted at the Idea of a Pet Rock as "some of THE dumbest things I've ever seen..."


But it took me all of two seconds to answer your question regarding communist states/counties if that helps. :innocent:

Except it's no longer a Communist country (by the definition of what Communism actually means) since the workers don't own the means of Production.

It's a Socialist country - and the reason it's a Socialist country is because under Communism it's Economy Failed, an estimated 100 Million + people starved and Chairman Mao was a brutal dictator.

It's like you are trying to argue someone can be a Christian when they don't believe in God, Jesus etc.

[ellipsis]

Actually there is only a theory of Multiple Intelligences and to date there has been no definitive study showing said theory to be true. The overarching critique is that the so-called multiple intelligences all factor back to G (General Intelligence)




...clever, dumb, when it comes to fucks like you it doesn't really matter, you are just a fuckwit whichever way it goes...smart, know all, wanks with heavily opinionated retorts will only ever be smart, know all wanks with heavily opinionated retorts...take your hand off your cock ...

[TheDemonLord]

...clever, dumb, when it comes to fucks like you it doesn't really matter, you are just a fuckwit whichever way it goes...smart, know all, wanks with heavily opinionated retorts will only ever be smart, know all wanks with heavily opinionated retorts...take your hand off your cock ...

Flattery is so unbecomming...

[ellipsis]

Flattery is so unbecomming...


...like I said, nothing but retorts...educated fools only fool themselves and the sycophants who surround them...

[TheDemonLord]

...like I said, nothing but retorts...educated fools only invented all the things I take for granted everyday

Fixed for you ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fixed for you ;)

I'm thinking the only thing you've ever invented, is how to toss off with one hand, fist yourself with the other, and type at the same time.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm thinking the only thing you've ever invented, is how to toss off with one hand, fist yourself with the other, and type at the same time.

Just like Katman, It seems I've managed to reduce you to projecting your homoerotic fantasies onto me.

Whatever floats your boat man, but that's not my thing.









Plus if I could do that, I'd totally video it and become Internet-Famous.

[Swoop]

...drop one on Wellington...

Wait, what?
Fat kid with a bad haircut wants to nuke wellytown?

Best news all week! Bring it on.:devil2:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wait, what?
Fat kid with a bad haircut wants to nuke wellytown?

Best news all week! Bring it on.:devil2:

Peter Jackson will have a gamma ray gun that'll sort it before it lands!

[Swoop]

Peter Jackson will have a gamma ray gun that'll sort it before it lands!

So, Peter uses the same technology as the Fat Kid with a bad haircut...

Best to ignore both of them.:msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, Peter uses the same technology as the Fat Kid with a bad haircut...

Best to ignore both of them.:msn-wink:

Well, they both have bad hair to be fair...

http://theantimedia.org/north-korea-give-up-nukes/

[Katman]

Just take a look at how the number of countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank has decreased since the turn of the century and take note of who's left.

[AllanB]

What interests me the most is:

When NK fire off that inter continental missile, what never before warfare technology will be revealed by Japan?


Come on - Japan has been secretively making weapons of ultimate destruction for decades and will have something technologically impressive like a black hole bomb.

[Laava]

What interests me the most is:

When NK fire off that inter continental missile, what never before warfare technology will be revealed by Japan?


Come on - Japan has been secretively making weapons of ultimate destruction for decades and will have something technologically impressive like a black hole bomb.

You have been watching too much Despicable Me. But you may still be right!
Intercontinental Squid launcher?

[AllanB]

You have been watching too much Despicable Me. But you may still be right!
Intercontinental Squid launcher?

Potentially some type of force field that protects Japan - nothing can get into Japan but they can fire off scrotum shrinking chemical missiles to NK. Kill the sperm and you'll kill the population.

[GazzaH]

Is that a TV game show?

[Laava]

Potentially some type of force field that protects Japan - nothing can get into Japan but they can fire off scrotum shrinking chemical missiles to NK. Kill the sperm and you'll kill the population.

A descrotinator?

[jasonu]

What interests me the most is:

When NK fire off that inter continental missile, what never before warfare technology will be revealed by Japan?
.

None. The yanks will take care of it for them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

None. The yanks will take care of it for them.

The same ones that saved us during WWII? The guys that sat on their hands until they got the shit bombed out of them? The ones that are causing most of the problems now? Cool.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just take a look at how the number of countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank has decreased since the turn of the century and take note of who's left.

I know right!

Meantime...

https://www.facebook.com/YouShouldveBeenInfantry/videos/1467815809979131/?hc_ref=ARS942XJuDUPTafIcp-5Y19rYnWgUj-_gDqcBRSng1ho97wccdDDTGxqSzXpiDKnAGE

[Swoop]

Potentially some type of force field that protects Japan...

You think that they have been murdering whales just because "they taste yummy"?
Super weapon design 101. Fuck sharks with laser-beams.

[Laava]

You think that they have been murdering whales just because "they taste yummy"?
Super weapon design 101. Fuck sharks with laser-beams.

What, whales that shrink your scrotum? Seems a bit excessive?
Mind you...the japs...

[awayatc]

a different slant to this story...

[oldrider]

North Korea is just part of the USA (global) protection racket - scare up the neighbourhood so they will let them get their bully boys in closer to the competition! (China, Russia)

Stimulate the fear and protection needs in close to NK and at the same time build up the ability to threaten NK's friendly big neighbours right on "their" doorstep!

North Korea is little more than a medium of distraction and an excuse to move in closer to a bigger threat - another (saving the world) protection racket! :stoogie:

[Swoop]

North Korea is just part of the USA (global) protection racket...

Not so, it is the other way around in this instance.
The US doesn't care so long as there is regional stability (china is enforcing that, to a certain extent). Fat Kid with the bad haircut is simply using extortion to get "aid" for the country.
Aid agencies are wise to this as it all goes missing or only 10% arrives with the population who require it, with all the rest being sold off to fund the lifestyles of the "elite".

[Maha]

Kim jong un is full of kaka, more so than 29.63% of people who post on the site.

[FatMax]

Kim jong un is full of kaka, more so than 29.63% of people who post on the site.

Agreed.....and also 32.75% of statistics are made up on the spot

[Maha]

Agreed.....and also 32.75% of statistics are made up on the spot

The sites current (and foremost) narcissistic sycophant, may dig deeper to find a theory in order to expose yet another conspiracy. Similar to what 'Kimmy the younger' has been doing since early 2012.

Their message is the same.
''Please everybody believe me, I speak the truth....according to me'' :weep:

[Swoop]

The sites current (and foremost) narcissistic sycophant, may dig deeper to find a theory in order to expose yet another conspiracy. Similar to what 'Kimmy the younger' has been doing since early 2012.

Their message is the same.
''Please everybody believe me, I speak the truth....according to me'' :weep:

You need to add a link to a website that supposedly supports your position. One that was posted the other day seemed to be written as a blog, by a very hyperactive child with attention deficiency issues yet was being put forward as a "reliable" piece of information.
The only reliability it demonstrated was of the mindset of the member who posted the link.:wacko:

[Katman]

....by a very hyperactive child with attention deficiency issues.....

<img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NpINLHeo8rM/Sb9gxGbCT7I/AAAAAAAAp_g/37qIrCFAEDY/s400/1.jpg"/>

[Maha]

You need to add a link to a website that supposedly supports your position. One that was posted the other day seemed to be written as a blog, by a very hyperactive child with attention deficiency issues yet was being put forward as a "reliable" piece of information.
The only reliability it demonstrated was of the mindset of the member who posted the link.:wacko:

You only have to look in PD, not hard to figure out who the aforementioned narcissistic sycophant could possibly be. Given that Kimmy the Younger is not a member here, I can say with absolute certainty it cannot be him.

[Swoop]

You only have to look in PD, not hard to figure out who the aforementioned narcissistic sycophant could possibly be. Given that Kimmy the Younger is not a member here, I can say with absolute certainty it cannot be him.

Surprisingly, this time it isn't who you might expect!

[Maha]

Surprisingly, this time it isn't who you might expect!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh right.....nudge nudge wink wink ;);)

[oldrider]

Adage: "Would that God the gift to give us, to see our selves as others see us" - North Korea propaganda video - slow to start but interesting (or not) :corn:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OyFH19nm2e4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=OyFH19nm2e4

[SPman]

Not so, it is the other way around in this instance.
The US doesn't care so long as there is regional stability (china is enforcing that, to a certain extent). Fat Kid with the bad haircut is simply using extortion to get "aid" for the country.
Aid agencies are wise to this as it all goes missing or only 10% arrives with the population who require it, with all the rest being sold off to fund the lifestyles of the "elite".
And what reality do you live in....

[Swoop]

And what reality do you live in....

One which obviously has more access to information than some people.

[awayatc]

. Fat Kid with the bad haircut .


fat kid with bad haircut vs other admittedly older mentally unstable person with bad haircut,

May the biggest idiot win....

[Crasherfromwayback]

May the biggest idiot win....

Murica!!!!!!!!

http://themindunleashed.com/2017/09/agent-orange-24-chilling-photos-war-crime-us-got-away.html

[oldrider]

Why Israel might take out North Korea's nukes http://nationalpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-why-israel-might-take-out-north-koreas-nukes :scratch: "By way of deception thou shalt do war"? :corn:

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11925269

If NK actually did this would you fucking dicks still be standing up for them?
Actually I hope they do it then we would see just who begs America to do something about it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11925269

If NK actually did this would you fucking dicks still be standing up for them?
Actually I hope they do it then we would see just who begs America to do something about it.

Keep ya fucking hair on will ya. You're getting hysterical.

[Akzle]

http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/At_Least_Someone_Cares.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/At_Least_Someone_Cares.jpg

Wonder who the world should be more worried about...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

[Honest Andy]

http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/At_Least_Someone_Cares.jpg

Followed by a nuclear winter...?

[Akzle]

Wonder who the world should be more worried about...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

... jews <_<

[Woodman]

NK needs invading now. Sometimes you just gotta fight.

[ellipsis]

...as long as the cunts don't leave us with some kind of nuclear winter or such...this could be my big season for carrots and beets and shit...

[Katman]

NK needs invading now. Sometimes you just gotta fight.

You need euthanizing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

NK needs invading now. Sometimes you just gotta fight.

Are you as stupid as you seem?

[Katman]

Are you as stupid as you seem?

Stupider .

[eldog]

NK needs invading now. Sometimes you just gotta fight.
Just target oil pipeline, it worked here:girlfight:

[oldrider]

NK needs invading now. Sometimes you just gotta fight.

Yanks tried that once before and only got out of it with a cease fire that still holds today - have a look under the bed - this is not just about America! :shifty:

Americans (and the so called enemy) are just the poor saps that do the actual fighting! :mellow:

[Katman]

- have a look under the bed -

You might have to be slightly less cryptic for the stupid fuck.

[ellipsis]

...I think Strump should destroy them now, before I build my new glasshouse...and very quickly...

[ellipsis]

...I don't think I'll bother building the new glasshouse...


https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/97139912/nz-may-be-able-to-feel-fall-out-effects-of-hbomb-in-the-pacific

[Woodman]

You need euthanizing.

So just lay down and let them fuck us over then?

[Katman]

So just lay down and let them fuck us over then?

Do you prefer American cock?

[Madness]

...I don't think I'll bother building the new glasshouse...

You've heard about the proposed new Glasshouse Tax then?

[Woodman]

Do you prefer American cock?

So king yum yums behaviour is okay because he is not america?

[TheDemonLord]

Do you prefer American cock?

As opposed to your love for Cream of sum yung gii

[pritch]

NK needs invading now. Sometimes you just gotta fight.

Fuck!

The old saying, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" comes to mind.

US General Douglas McArthur counselled that the US should, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."
The US Government subsequently forgot that advice several times and I'm having trouble remembering a success story...

Trump called Kim "Rocket Man" and from subsequent comments on Twitter it seems he was quite proud of that. In reply Kim called Trump a dotard. That sent people running for their dictionaries, "a senile old man". I'd call that a tie.

With a man-child mental case with access to nuclear weapons though it's a worry. Then there's Kim Jong Un.

[Murray]

Do you prefer American cock?

You prefer Korean dick - yep makes sense cause you really are a dickhead

[Woodman]

Fuck!

The old saying, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" comes to mind.

US General Douglas McArthur counselled that the US should, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."
The US Government subsequently forgot that advice several times and I'm having trouble remembering a success story...

Trump called Kim "Rocket Man" and from subsequent comments on Twitter it seems he was quite proud of that. In reply Kim called Trump a dotard. That sent people running for their dictionaries, "a senile old man". I'd call that a tie.

With a man-child mental case with access to nuclear weapons though it's a worry. Then there's Kim Jong Un.


Doesn't have to be america, mind you the economic sanctions just announced may well do it.

[oldrider]

Fuck!

The old saying, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" comes to mind.

US General Douglas McArthur counselled that the US should, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."
The US Government subsequently forgot that advice several times and I'm having trouble remembering a success story...

Trump called Kim "Rocket Man" and from subsequent comments on Twitter it seems he was quite proud of that. In reply Kim called Trump a dotard. That sent people running for their dictionaries, "a senile old man". I'd call that a tie.

With a man-child mental case with access to nuclear weapons though it's a worry. Then there's Kim Jong Un.

Listening to The Donald at the UN http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47860.htm Alternative reaction to Donald's UN speech. :corn:

[awayatc]

So king yum yums behaviour is okay because he is not america?

I get it now.....

You are a meriken. .....

Normal people aren't as easily led

[Katman]

So king yum yums behaviour is okay because he is not america?

Well that depends on how you view KJU's 'behaviour'.

I see it more as a "don't fuck with us like you fucked with Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc, etc, etc".

[Woodman]

Well that depends on how you view KJU's 'behaviour'.

I see it more as a "don't fuck with us like you fucked with Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc, etc, etc".

What are his intentions?

[T.W.R]

Both the fucking idiots are dangerous no matter what each of their intentions are, they're like to mindless testosterone fueled bantam roosters strutting around the hen house gesturing, sparring, and causing trouble & turmoil for everyone else :girlfight: the longer it goes the worse it's going to get.

Fucking trump thinks he's caging KJU with these sanctions but if you keeping poking something that's caged it'll eventually breakout and go for your throat :mad:

Both need to be removed from the coup and taken out & their heads whacked off

[Crasherfromwayback]

So king yum yums behaviour is okay because he is not america?

When are we gonna invade France and the US then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moruroa

[Woodman]

When are we gonna invade France and the US then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moruroa


Okay, just let him carry on then. History tells us that letting dictators carry on with their shit is a good thing right?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Okay, just let him carry on then. History tells us that letting dictators carry on with their shit is a good thing right?

If you had even the slightest clue about fucking history, you'd be totally against the idea of invading them, you dumb cunt. How's Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria looking to you? Of course we should invade ANOTHER country!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/97139912/nz-may-be-able-to-feel-fall-out-effects-of-hbomb-in-the-pacific

[Voltaire]

Okay, just let him carry on then. History tells us that letting dictators carry on with their shit is a good thing right?

Is that the bit where the West let Adolf take over places?

Good doco on Netflix about they Nazi Nuclear program, they were not very far away from an atom bomb.

Can't see the Chinese and Russians being keen on a war by a wayward Pup(mup)pet.

And where is a Lee Harvey Oswald when you need one.

[Woodman]

If you had even the slightest clue about fucking history, you'd be totally against the idea of invading them, you dumb cunt. How's Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria looking to you? Of course we should invade ANOTHER country!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/97139912/nz-may-be-able-to-feel-fall-out-effects-of-hbomb-in-the-pacific


Wow, why all the angst? What is it with you and katman that you can't have a difference of opinion with someone without throwing your toys out of the cot?

Anyway

So you are happy with what NK are doing then? No risk of them attacking or invading someone if they just get left alone?

[mashman]

Wow, why all the angst? What is it with you and katman that you can't have a difference of opinion with someone without throwing your toys out of the cot?

Anyway

So you are happy with what NK are doing then? No risk of them attacking or invading someone if they just get left alone?

I think it's called frustration at your lack of humanity. We can have a difference of opinion over murka invading countries in the name of defense. I'm sure I once heard someone say something about having a bigger stick as being the greatest deterrent of war. Clinton essentially gave him the stick. Not sure why the U.S. are calling foul. As for an NK invasion... fear porn.

I can see the frustration given that we're talking about war and it's obvious poop outcomes (tell me sir, how do you feel about the immigration numbers) as if they're acceptable byproducts of how we do things. You don't feel the slightest twinge of there but for the grace of god go I?

[Woodman]

I think it's called frustration at your lack of humanity. We can have a difference of opinion over murka invading countries in the name of defense. I'm sure I once heard someone say something about having a bigger stick as being the greatest deterrent of war. Clinton essentially gave him the stick. Not sure why the U.S. are calling foul. As for an NK invasion... fear porn.

I can see the frustration given that we're talking about war and it's obvious poop outcomes (tell me sir, how do you feel about the immigration numbers) as if they're acceptable byproducts of how we do things. You don't feel the slightest twinge of there but for the grace of god go I?

Lack of humanity? So which will cause more deaths? letting NK carry on and do what they want or sending some soldiers in now before they get ramped up?

If they get left alone and it all just fizzles out then I was wrong. Big deal. I hope I am wrong.

[mashman]

Lack of humanity? So which will cause more deaths? letting NK carry on and do what they want or sending some soldiers in now before they get ramped up?

If they get left alone and it all just fizzles out then I was wrong. Big deal. I hope I am wrong.

Perceived. Leave him alone. The evidence states that despite various "dangerous" nations having nuclear weapons and an axe to grind with the west, that we haven't had nuclear war. I don't see it as likely that Kim would suddenly want to start one. It's the same excuse as the clusterfuck know as Iraq. Sure Saddam was quite possibly a dodgy geezer with a penchant for maintaining power at any costs, but the place is way more fucked now that it ever was under Saddam. And all because he supposedly had some weapons that someone thought he shouldn't have? There's a long history of murkans going places and fucking things up merely to remove someone they consider unfriendly.

Worst case scenario is nuclear war. When one bird goes up, then most likely many many many more will. No point in counting the deaths. It'll be messy. Nuclear war also comes in small doses. Fallujah for instance. I don't see Kim really wanting to fuck things up that badly, despite the history they share.

http://kickfailure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ttt_WOPR.png

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wow, why all the angst? What is it with you and katman that you can't have a difference of opinion with someone without throwing your toys out of the cot?

Anyway

So you are happy with what NK are doing then? No risk of them attacking or invading someone if they just get left alone?

You're the one with all of the angst you docile cunt. Oh noooooooo...NK are gonna bomb us! Oooohhhh....whoa...watch out for the Bogey Man under the bed!!!! We're all gonna die!!!

Get a fucking brain.


I think it's called frustration at your lack of humanity. We can have a difference of opinion over murka invading countries in the name of defense. I'm sure I once heard someone say something about having a bigger stick as being the greatest deterrent of war. Clinton essentially gave him the stick. Not sure why the U.S. are calling foul. As for an NK invasion... fear porn.

I can see the frustration given that we're talking about war and it's obvious poop outcomes (tell me sir, how do you feel about the immigration numbers) as if they're acceptable byproducts of how we do things. You don't feel the slightest twinge of there but for the grace of god go I?


This is called nail vs head. Someone with a brain.

[Woodman]

You're the one with all of the angst you docile cunt. Oh noooooooo...NK are gonna bomb us! Oooohhhh....whoa...watch out for the Bogey Man under the bed!!!! We're all gonna die!!!

Get a fucking brain.




This is called nail vs head. Someone with a brain.

I just asked a couple of questions. No need to spin out, they just questions For example. If I ask you "are you a fuckwit?" I am not calling you a fuckwit, just asking if you are a fuckwit or not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I just asked a couple of questions. No need to spin out, they just questions For example. If I ask you "are you a fuckwit?" I am not calling you a fuckwit, just asking if you are a fuckwit or not.

Well, at least we needn't waste our time asking you the same question.

[ellipsis]

I just asked a couple of questions. No need to spin out, they just questions For example. If I ask you "are you a fuckwit?" I am not calling you a fuckwit, just asking if you are a fuckwit or not.


...are you a fuckwit?...just asking...

[Crasherfromwayback]

...are you a fuckwit?...just asking...

The problem we (the rest of the world) have, is if enough fuckwits have their say, we end up with Trumps running things, then we'll all pay dearly. And the dopey cunt wonders why I take it so seriously.

How long have NK been rattling sabers for? What's come of it so far? So yeah...lets go invade them eh!? That'll help world peace no end! I seriously hope he's had a vasectomy.

[TheDemonLord]

Sure Saddam was quite possibly a dodgy geezer with a penchant for maintaining power at any costs, but the place is way more fucked now that it ever was under Saddam.



I think it's called frustration at your lack of humanity.

Wow.

The Ironing.

[TheDemonLord]

How long have NK been rattling sabers for? What's come of it so far? So yeah...lets go invade them eh!? That'll help world peace no end! I seriously hope he's had a vasectomy.

No one cares about a 5ft nothing, 45 Kg kid running around saying how he's going to beat the shit out of everyone.

People care when that same kid is running around with a loaded AR saying the same thing.

[Swoop]

No risk of them attacking or invading someone if they just get left alone?

They don't have the capability to invade anyone.

Just letting the little twerp dictate over his country and let the population sort it out themselves.
The recent suggestion of the ex SEAL has merit, where a sattelite is placed over the country and provides free wifi access (fuck knows how that could be done, but anyway...) then drop loads of smartphones across the country. Let the population find out what's happening elsewhere in the world without state censorship.

(The US would fuck everything up by not supplying the right plug to fit their power sockets though...);)

[Crasherfromwayback]

No one cares about a 5ft nothing, 45 Kg kid running around saying how he's going to beat the shit out of everyone.

People care when that same kid is running around with a loaded AR saying the same thing.

That's simply the never ending march of technology. They were always going to catch up sooner or later. Doesn't mean we need to invade the cunts. Illegally. Like we have everywhere else.


They don't have the capability to invade anyone.

Just letting the little twerp dictate over his country and let the population sort it out themselves.
The recent suggestion of the ex SEAL has merit, where a sattelite is placed over the country and provides free wifi access (fuck knows how that could be done, but anyway...) then drop loads of smartphones across the country. Let the population find out what's happening elsewhere in the world without state censorship.

(The US would fuck everything up by not supplying the right plug to fit their power sockets though...);)


Hahahaha...you know it!

This thread needs this song!

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[TheDemonLord]

That's simply the never ending march of technology. They were always going to catch up sooner or later. Doesn't mean we need to invade the cunts. Illegally. Like we have everywhere else.

Indeed - but as the Tech marches on, so does the Ante and so does the stakes.

And then you have to ask whom do you trust more:

Someone who (apart from being unlikeable) hasn't really done anything wrong (although one could argue that 'The Apprentice' could be considered a crime against humanity)
or
Someone who murders people with Flak Cannons for falling asleep in a meeting.

I'll agree with you that America's Foreign policy has a doctorate's worth of case studies, blunders and liberal interpretations of law - but you need to convince me that if the roles were reversed: the US had the armed capability (but retaining it's Freedom) that NK does and NK had the armed Capability that the US has (and retaining it's brutal civilian oppression) - that things would be all sunshine and roses.

I'd posit that we'd be speaking Korean and we wouldn't be communicating on the Internet or allowed to ride Motorbikes or criticise our Glorious Leader.

[Woodman]

...are you a fuckwit?...just asking...

Maybe, depends on your perspective.


The problem we (the rest of the world) have, is if enough fuckwits have their say, we end up with Trumps running things, then we'll all pay dearly. And the dopey cunt wonders why I take it so seriously.

How long have NK been rattling sabers for? What's come of it so far? So yeah...lets go invade them eh!? That'll help world peace no end! I seriously hope he's had a vasectomy.

Believe me, I ain't no trump fan, the man is a dangerous fuckwit (he doesn't need to ask), I just think that sorting nk militarily before the shit really hits the fan may just have a better endgame.

[Woodman]

I'll agree with you that America's Foreign policy has a doctorate's worth of case studies, blunders and liberal interpretations of law - but you need to convince me that if the roles were reversed: the US had the armed capability (but retaining it's Freedom) that NK does and NK had the armed Capability that the US has (and retaining it's brutal civilian oppression) - that things would be all sunshine and roses.

I'd posit that we'd be speaking Korean and we wouldn't be communicating on the Internet or allowed to ride Motorbikes or criticise our Glorious Leader.

This. Their is a risk that the do nothing approach won't end well. To be fair though I am all for apathy, its what has made NZ the cool place that it is.

[Katman]

Their is a risk that the do nothing approach won't end well.

And there's a far greater risk that America jumping in boots and all will just create yet another clusterfuck.

[Woodman]

And there's a greater risk that America jumping in boots and all will just create yet another clusterfuck.

True, but why america?

[jasonu]

The problem we (the rest of the world) have, is if enough fuckwits have their say, we end up with Trumps running things, then we'll all pay dearly. And the dopey cunt wonders why I take it so seriously.

How long have NK been rattling sabers for? What's come of it so far? So yeah...lets go invade them eh!? That'll help world peace no end! I seriously hope he's had a vasectomy.

Testing nukes and firing missiles over other countries is a bit more than saber rattling.

[Katman]

Testing nukes and firing missiles over other countries is a bit more than saber rattling.

As has already been said, we didn't see America getting all upset when France was doing it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Testing nukes and firing missiles over other countries is a bit more than saber rattling.


As has already been said, we didn't see America getting all upset when France was doing it.

Correct. The cunts were doing it in our hood, and no sign of an invasion.

[T.W.R]

As has already been said, we didn't see America getting all upset when France was doing it.

:facepalm: Mainly because they were doing it themselves and we were all involved, the States, the UK, the French, Aussie, & NZ. Check the history in 1950s including Operation Grapple and the UK-US MDA

http://www.sea.edu/images/spice/glover-nuclear_testing1.gif

[Crasherfromwayback]

:facepalm: Mainly because they were doing it themselves and we were all involved, the States, the UK, the French, Aussie, & NZ. Check the history in 1950s including Operation Grapple and the UK-US MDA

]

Yeah...so you'd expect Russia and China to want to invade us then? But no...

[jasonu]

Yeah...so you'd expect Russia and China to want to invade us then? But no...

Only if they wanted to corner the kumara world market.

[Woodman]

As has already been said, we didn't see America getting all upset when France was doing it.

Still doesn't make it right though does it?

[Viking01]

http://peacehistory-usfp.org/korean-war/

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still doesn't make it right though does it?

No, it doesn't. But did any cunt want to invade and *destroy* them for doing it, as you suggest we do to NK? FFS...get a fucking grip man.

[Woodman]

No, it doesn't. But did any cunt want to invade and *destroy* them for doing it, as you suggest we do to NK? FFS...get a fucking grip man.

I just see what I see re north korea. Not looking at this from an anti american* stance like you and katman, rather just a problem and a solution. No matter which way it goes there is going to be pain, and I truly believe that my way will be less painful in the long run.

*their foreign policy is fucked.

[Katman]

I just see what I see re north korea.

You see what the mainstream media want you to see.


.....and I truly believe that my way will be less painful in the long run.

That's because you're a fucking moron.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I just see what I see re north korea. .

No you don't you fucking meatsack. You soak up what you're fucking spoon fed. You're as bad as Trump and the Wee man.

[T.W.R]

Yeah...so you'd expect Russia and China to want to invade us then? But no...


China have been invading us for years ;)

The Bear pretty much keeps to it's own backyard stirring shit there whereas the US think they're the saviours of the world and in reality are the biggest war mongering arseholes on the plant TBH I'd have more faith in the Russians than the yanks if any serious shit went down :yes:

[Woodman]

No you don't you fucking meatsack. You soak up what you're fucking spoon fed. You're as bad as Trump and the Wee man.

Like I said "I see what I see". How can you say I don't see what I see? and then tell me what I see when I said i see what I see. ??????

[Katman]

Like I said "I see what I see". How can you say I don't see what I see? and then tell me what I see when I said i see what I see. ??????

Try looking a little deeper.

[Woodman]

Try looking a little deeper.

What do you think should be done about north korea? if anything?

[Katman]

What do you think should be done about north korea? if anything?

What I think should be done about America is probably more pertinent.

[Woodman]

What I think should be done about America is probably more pertinent.

Just a brief summary? I am truly interested, not fishing for a windup or anything.

[Katman]

Just a brief summary? I am truly interested, not fishing for a windup or anything.

Briefly - the rest of the world should tell them to go fuck themselves.

[Akzle]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/



2013, but... they're not exactly scaling back operations.

NK is just the latest "reds under the bed" public scare to rally support for giving jews more money.

fucken almost makes me wish i's a jew, then i'd just be like... fucken fishing from my jetski or some shit.

[GazzaH]

Akzle's for the snip!

[Honest Andy]

Ahh the old "scaling back operation" huh?:doctor:

:killingme

[oldrider]

Listening to The Donald at the UN http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47860.htm Alternative reaction to Donald's UN speech. :corn:

Rocketman's response:- http://theduran.com/kim-jong-un-delivers-rare-personal-address-donald-trump/ . :mellow:

[TheDemonLord]

Briefly - the rest of the world should tell them to go fuck themselves.

Then what?

If every country was to leave every other country alone - would you be satisfied?

Would you be happy standing on the side lines watching Genocides, Barbaric Civil wars, flagrant Human rights violations by totalitarian despots?

Would you be happy if one of those despotic regimes then reasoned that "Fuck it - the US isn't going to do shit, lets go and settle some scores with our Neighbours"?

Would you be happy if they used NBC Weaponary in that conflict?

Have you ever considered that there are several countries that have attained a certain level of tech (the Lowest level of WMDs), that have long historic feuds/skirmishes with surrounding areas who are kept in line by the implicit threat that if they really start some shit, the US and everyone else will Bomb their asses back to the Stoneage?

You've often espoused the completely despicable (IMO) opinion that "At Least Saddamn kept things in order" - in that he kept the country in line, you then criticise the US for leaving Iraq in Chaos by removing Saddamn.

You've then often called the US a warmonger and a butcher - sounds kinda like the Iraq situation, but scaled up to the international scale - one big dog, keeping everyone else in line through fear and Tyranny. Yet you flip-flop as to which side you support. I'd posit that this is because you don't actually have any coherant rationale except that "what ever the US is doing is Bad".

The reality is, whilst it would be nice if everyone just got along (the radical left Utopia - where if we get rid of capitalism and the US, everyone can hold hands a sing kumbaya) - it doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that at a community scale, it doesn't work like that on a regional scale, it doesn't work like that on a National scale - and guess what? It also doesn't work on the International scale.

Whichever perspective you choose - there are always going to be assholes, and you are always going to need someone who is big enough AND bad enough to deal with those assholes.

[awayatc]

You got a problem if you believe the USA is being the kind neighbourhood cop......

[T.W.R]

Then what?

If every country was to leave every other country alone - would you be satisfied?

Would you be happy standing on the side lines watching Genocides, Barbaric Civil wars, flagrant Human rights violations by totalitarian despots?

Would you be happy if one of those despotic regimes then reasoned that "Fuck it - the US isn't going to do shit, lets go and settle some scores with our Neighbours"?


The Yanks haven't even batted an eyelid over the ethnic cleansing going on in Myanmar at present with the Rohingya civilians :niceone: The Myanmar Military are having a field day imposing a scorched earth clean out :msn-wink:
That's right they couldn't give a fuck because they've got nothing to gain :tugger:

[jasonu]

The Yanks haven't even batted an eyelid over the ethnic cleansing going on in Myanmar at present with the Rohingya civilians :niceone: The Myanmar Military are having a field day imposing a scorched earth clean out :msn-wink:
That's right they couldn't give a fuck because they've got nothing to gain :tugger:

When was the last time Myanmar did some nuke testing or shot missiles over other countries.

[T.W.R]

I don't recall hearing anything about Myanmar having or testing nukes or shooting missiles over other countries.

:facepalm: Thousands are being killed & displaced though; what's worse a pompous twat gesturing threats or genocide?
Myanmar don't even consider the Rohingya as human.....remind you of any past events ??

[TheDemonLord]

You got a problem if you believe the USA is being the kind neighbourhood cop......


I'll agree with you that America's Foreign policy has a doctorate's worth of case studies, blunders and liberal interpretations of law

It's almost like Deja Vu....


The Yanks haven't even batted an eyelid over the ethnic cleansing going on in Myanmar at present with the Rohingya civilians :niceone: The Myanmar Military are having a field day imposing a scorched earth clean out :msn-wink:
That's right they couldn't give a fuck because they've got nothing to gain :tugger:

So, what should they do?

Charge in Guns blazing and put foot to ass? But isn't that what you are all complaining they do all the time?

This is the conundrum:

Do nothing - and a certain vocal sector of society goes: "Well why aren't you stopping this horror!"
Do something - and that SAME vocal sector of society goes "Warmongers! You are inflicting all this horror!"

So back to my previous post:

Then what?

At some point you have a principled choice:

1: It is acceptable to intervene with force against a country engaging in Tyranny (internal or external)
2: It is acceptable to stand by and watch Tyranny, with the ability to stop it and do nothing.

Which is it?

And for those that will quibble about what I mean by Tyranny:

Torture used as part of the judicial and extra-judicial processes
Genocide (either encouraged by, participated by or implicitly allowed by the state)
Imprisonment without due process
Execution without trial and for trivial offences
Revocation of basic rights (such as freedom of expression) under the threat of force

FWIW - Those that have a contrary view to mine - I suggest reading what happened in Rwanda in 1994 - That is what can (and does) happen...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Then what?

If every country was to leave every other country alone - would you be satisfied?



Would you be happy if one of those despotic regimes then reasoned that "Fuck it - the US isn't going to do shit, lets go and settle some scores with our Neighbours"?



.

Make up your mind.

[TheDemonLord]

Make up your mind.

Look at the statements again - one leads to the other.

No one or country is ever able to leave another completely alone.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Look at the statements again - one leads to the other.

No one or country is ever able to leave another completely alone.

Yeah I know what you were saying. I'm simply saying if every cunt left each other alone...there need be no *B*.

[Katman]

And for those that will quibble about what I mean by Tyranny:

Torture used as part of the judicial and extra-judicial processes.

Like at Guantanamo?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Like at Guantanamo?

Nah. That's ok...because it's us doing it.

[TheDemonLord]

Like at Guantanamo?

Comparing Guantanamo to the various institutions I'm referring to is like comparing Saturday morning's under 6 Rippa Rugby match with The All Blacks vs Australia in the Webb Ellis final.

I don't remember any reports of inmates being vivisected at Guantanamo or being parrilla'd or having bits hacked off with Machetes.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah I know what you were saying. I'm simply saying if every cunt left each other alone...there need be no *B*.

"No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. "

[Katman]

Let's not forget that Donald Trump (along with two thirds of the American public) supports the use of torture.

[TheDemonLord]

Nah. That's ok...because it's us doing it.

Guantanamo isn't okay - I'm not down with Waterboarding, I'm not down with being held indefinitely without trial.

But as above - compared to other institutions - Guantanamo is Torture light or Diet Torture - and if I had to choose one, it's by far the most humane and preferable.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Guantanamo isn't okay - I'm not down with Waterboarding, I'm not down with being held indefinitely without trial.

But as above - compared to other institutions - Guantanamo is Torture light or Diet Torture - and if I had to choose one, it's by far the most humane and preferable.

Well this bit "Guantanamo is Torture light or Diet Torture - and if I had to choose one, it's by far the most humane and preferable", is like you trying to say I was ok with genocide. Eh.

[TheDemonLord]

Let's not forget that Donald Trump (along with two thirds of the American public) support the use of torture.

There's a key qualifier that you've left off of that statement.

That's a tad dishonest.

Afterall, you've presented it that they support the use of Torture against Anyone - but that's not true, is it?

And whilst I can sympathize with the resentment that has caused people to think this way, There's a quote which I can't remember who said it - but the context was WW2, I believe from an English officer, after seeing someone strike a prisoner:

"Once you touch a Man, you cannot trust anything that he says"

[TheDemonLord]

Well this bit "Guantanamo is Torture light or Diet Torture - and if I had to choose one, it's by far the most humane and preferable", is like you trying to say I was ok with genocide. Eh.

Except it isn't - The choice I gave you was Armed Conflict vs Genocide - you indicated you liked Armed Conflict less - therefore Genocide was a more preferable option

In this case I'm comparing Guantanamo with other institutions known to have engaged in Torture and saying of those options - Guantanamo is the lease bad.

The choice I gave you was Binary - one or the other
The choice I identified above was on a continuum - same thing, different degrees of severity.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Except it isn't - The choice I gave you was Armed Conflict vs Genocide - you indicated you liked Armed Conflict less - therefore Genocide was a more preferable option

In this case I'm comparing Guantanamo with other institutions known to have engaged in Torture and saying of those options - Guantanamo is the lease bad.

The choice I gave you was Binary - one or the other
The choice I identified above was on a continuum - same thing, different degrees of severity.

Fuck you talk shit.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck you talk shit.

A bike vs a Car (one or the other - Binary choice)
A 125 cc bike compared with all the range of engine choices within the category of bikes (a Continuum)

[Crasherfromwayback]

A bike vs a Car (one or the other - Binary choice)
A 125 cc bike compared with all the range of engine choices within the category of bikes (a Continuum)

You can't help yourself. You need one of these.

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[Katman]

And whilst I can sympathize with the resentment that has caused people to think this way, There's a quote which I can't remember who said it - but the context was WW2, I believe from an English officer, after seeing someone strike a prisoner:

"Once you touch a Man, you cannot trust anything that he says"

How about when NZ soldiers handed over prisoners to the Afghan NDS for torture?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How about when NZ soldiers handed over prisoners to the Afghan NDS for torture?

That was ok too.

[jasonu]

Let's not forget that Donald Trump (along with two thirds of the American public) supports the use of torture upon those connected to terrorism.

Where did you get the 2/3 stat from?

[Katman]

"Once you touch a Man, you cannot trust anything that he says"

How about Rudolf Hoess's 'confession'?

[TheDemonLord]

You can't help yourself.

Can't help myself what?

Wanking?
Or replying to posts on Kiwibiker?
















(Just kidding - we both know it's both)

[TheDemonLord]

How about when NZ soldiers handed over prisoners to the Afghan NDS for torture?


How about Rudolf Hoess's 'confession'?

How about something related to the topic for a change?

[Katman]

How about something related to the topic for a change?

Remind me - who brought up the subject of torture?

[Katman]

That's about what I thought.

Seriously dude, are you incapable of googling 'how many Americans support the use of torture'?

[TheDemonLord]

Remind me - who brought up the subject of torture?

In relation to North Korea or in relation to everything Katman hates about the US and it's allies?

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously dude, are you incapable of googling 'how many Americans support the use of torture'?

But it was published by the MSM - and aren't you always telling us that we can't trust what they say?












(Funny how you don't question it when you agree with it)