OMG RIP here we go again etc

[jellywrestler]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943357

[EJK]

They must'd been riding under pressure.

[caspernz]

Sad for those affected, but in media terms it's just another example of "if it bleeds, it leads" unfortunately :weep::weep:

[old slider]

Bloody sad for anyone involved.

Personally the ridiculously high rego isn't helping us, people parking up their bikes for 6 months is not the answer. We need really low cost rego to get more motorcyclists on our roads. the more there are the more car drivers will become accustomed to seeing them.

The 60s and early 70s saw most kids cycling to school, the roads were full of kids on bikes, we as car drivers were much more aware of their presence on our roads.
Just my thought for today.

[Hads]

Bloody sad for anyone involved.

Personally the ridiculously high rego isn't helping us, people parking up their bikes for 6 months is not the answer. We need really low cost rego to get more motorcyclists on our roads. the more there are the more car drivers will become accustomed to seeing them.

The 60s and early 70s saw most kids cycling to school, the roads were full of kids on bikes, we as car drivers were much more aware of their presence on our roads.
Just my thought for today.



There will be a lot more deaths and injuries, most motorcycle accidents the motorcyclist is at fault, often they are the only vehicle involved too.

I would like ACC component just collected completely via tax, ie income and company, but that is a seperate issue here.

[Honest Andy]

Just my thought for today.

Thoughtful thoughts, thanks :yes:

[jasonu]

most motorcycle accidents the motorcyclist is at fault.

Do you have actual facts to back this up?

[actungbaby]

Bloody sad for anyone involved.

Personally the ridiculously high rego isn't helping us, people parking up their bikes for 6 months is not the answer. We need really low cost rego to get more motorcyclists on our roads. the more there are the more car drivers will become accustomed to seeing them.

The 60s and early 70s saw most kids cycling to school, the roads were full of kids on bikes, we as car drivers were much more aware of their presence on our roads.
Just my thought for today.

I have to agree the old Mot Bike cops always got notiched on the roads . didnt they ;-)

Cars are alot quicker know so the reactions and skills have to go up as well.

[Voltaire]

Do you have actual facts to back this up?

Here is the Ministry of Transports report for 2016.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/crashfacts/motorcyclecrashfacts/

[caspernz]

Here is the Ministry of Transports report for 2016.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/crashfacts/motorcyclecrashfacts/

Thanks, backs up what I see on the roads day to day, unfortunately :sweatdrop:eek5:

[Viking01]

It would be real easy to reduce the cost of reg for motorcycles with no loss to ACC simply by putting it up for all those with a history of being at fault but I am the only one on here that wants that that sadly. The article said nothing about how many of the 3 crashes were the fault of the motorcyclist and all the riding schooling in the world is not going to help avoid a "not at fault" crash due to the motorcyclist having no control of the speed and distance of the other person who screws up.

As for being able to be seen better maybe we all need to buy a bike like a Goldwing, Harley or Indian tourer with their huge fairings. Auxillary headlights that are crashbar mounted like on a BMW 1200 GS could be worthwhile getting as I have seen a few bikes with them and they do look to have better visibility.

One thing the article did not touch on was how many guys are having mid life crisises each year because if there was a pill you could take instead of buying a bike for a mid life crisis there would definitly be fewer rider deaths each year. So to sum up there is not a single solution to the number of motorcycle deaths other than giving up riding.


NURSE, NURSE, she's out unsupervised again !

[BMWST?]

Thanks, backs up what I see on the roads day to day, unfortunately :sweatdrop:eek5:

absolute bullshit statistics.No where in that data(unlees i am blind) does it relate those figures with the actual number of motorcycles on the road.And those figures I am guessing are seriously flawed because of the possible huge numbers of motorcyclists that are travelling on unregistered and therefore invisible to TPTB.They dont say that the numbers of accidents are related to the total number of motorcycles on the road which as we know has had large swings in the intervals between the 70 and 80s and now.

[Madness]

Is it the first week of December already or are there not many newsworthy affairs currently?

[Voltaire]

According to the statistics posted 37% of crashes are not the fault of the rider. It would be interested to know how many of the at fault crashes by riders are as a result of having a mid life crises as often in the media reports having a MLC can see you crash as MLC riders feel they can return to having the same ability they had when they gave up 20 - 30 years ago.

Are your sure that MLC does not stand for Morons Like Cassina?:wacko:

" I was reading a thread on KB when suddenly a MLC arrived and it all went downhill":nya:

[caspernz]

absolute bullshit statistics.No where in that data(unlees i am blind) does it relate those figures with the actual number of motorcycles on the road.And those figures I am guessing are seriously flawed because of the possible huge numbers of motorcyclists that are travelling on unregistered and therefore invisible to TPTB.They dont say that the numbers of accidents are related to the total number of motorcycles on the road which as we know has had large swings in the intervals between the 70 and 80s and now.

The number of bikes registered has no bearing in this context though. It's merely looking at accidents, when you're involved in an accident whilst riding a motorcycle it's not relevant whether said bike is registered or not? So in that sense, the percentages apply, which corresponds with motorcyclist behaviour which I see day to day.

As a biker myself, I don't like the stats, but what's published doesn't surprise me one bit. Unfortunately :weep:

[Old Steve]

At the Silver riding course I did, the course leader told us that the ACC have figures that show that motorbike riders have 22 times the chance of being killed or injured compared to a car driver.

But apparently if we wear a high-viz vest we are a third less likely of being killed or injured.

I'm ATGATT with fluoro!

[Crasherfromwayback]

But apparently if we wear a high-viz vest we are a third less likely of being killed or injured.



I call bullshit on that one.

[BMWST?]

The number of bikes registered has no bearing in this context though. It's merely looking at accidents, when you're involved in an accident whilst riding a motorcycle it's not relevant whether said bike is registered or not? So in that sense, the percentages apply, which corresponds with motorcyclist behaviour which I see day to day.

As a biker myself, I don't like the stats, but what's published doesn't surprise me one bit. Unfortunately :weep:

i agree with you re the actual numbers of accidents but they are meaningless.If we doubled the number of motorcyclists on the road overnight then it follows that there will be a double the number of motorcycle acccidents tomorrow.If TPTB dont know that the number of motorcyclists has doubled because 1/2 of them are unregistered(how else do they count them) then the accident figures are meaningless.And i reckon motorcycle crash statistics will be pretty proportional to the whole number of motorbikes on the raod.Any decent motorbike accident WILL result in an injury.Many many car accident will not involve injury because cars have a great deal of protection and they dont fall over.a 2016 motorcyle doesnt really provide any advantage to its rider compared to a 1970s motorcyle compared to a 1970s car and a 2016 car.

[nzspokes]

It's due to those taking Cassinas riding advice.

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[caspernz]

i agree with you re the actual numbers of accidents but they are meaningless.If we doubled the number of motorcyclists on the road overnight then it follows that there will be a double the number of motorcycle acccidents tomorrow.If TPTB dont know that the number of motorcyclists has doubled because 1/2 of them are unregistered(how else do they count them) then the accident figures are meaningless.And i reckon motorcycle crash statistics will be pretty proportional to the whole number of motorbikes on the raod.Any decent motorbike accident WILL result in an injury.Many many car accident will not involve injury because cars have a great deal of protection and they dont fall over.a 2016 motorcyle doesnt really provide any advantage to its rider compared to a 1970s motorcyle compared to a 1970s car and a 2016 car.

No argument on what you mean by numbers, doesn't change the proportion of rider at fault (or largely at fault) in total number of accidents. So for every 100 bike accidents there's 65 or so where the rider is at fault or largely at fault. Having the right number of bikes on road merely lowers the accident rate over distance travelled, or as percentage of bikes owned, not proportion of rider at fault.

[Berries]

As of Monday morning, the New Zealand Transport Agency road toll statistics show 37 out of 325 road fatalities for 2017. This compared with 43 motorclists among the 280 fatals last year.
If you can get past the bad England and poor spelling from the linked article the 11 percent this year compares to 15 percent last year. Even with my maths that is an improvement.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bloody sad for anyone involved.

Personally the ridiculously high rego isn't helping us, people parking up their bikes for 6 months is not the answer. We need really low cost rego to get more motorcyclists on our roads. the more there are the more car drivers will become accustomed to seeing them.

The 60s and early 70s saw most kids cycling to school, the roads were full of kids on bikes, we as car drivers were much more aware of their presence on our roads.
Just my thought for today.

Yeah and they were driving 60's and 70's cars with no seatbelts and smoking (it was compulsory) and screaming at the kids in the back. Be careful what you wish for.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/98820759/man-clocked-speeding-at-completely-unacceptable-181kmh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

[Swoop]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/98820759/man-clocked-speeding-at-completely-unacceptable-181kmh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.
He was in a car, so probably wanting a downhill straight and a tailwind to go quicker... especially in a Mazda.

[Cloggy]

If the fear of dying on a bike is a concern its time to give up riding.
I would say that the fear of dying on a bike plays a big part in keeping me alive when riding.

[robajs]

There will be a lot more deaths and injuries, most motorcycle accidents the motorcyclist is at fault, often they are the only vehicle involved too.

I would like ACC component just collected completely via tax, ie income and company, but that is a seperate issue here.

in 1988 bronz canty obtained acc,s own data through the official information act and lo and behold
87 % of all motorcycle crashes were caused by outside factors / other vehicles.....this was before all motorcycles were lumped together as they are now. ie .moto cross / weekend dirt bike riding etc.
there were more claims made by the horsey set at that time than us on motor bikes.
we were in hospital longer though.
in my own opinion things wont have changed too much in respect to road riders other than faster bikes , crappier roads shared by more vehicles & people too busy doing everything but thinking about what they are actually doing .
my 10 cents worth.

[russd7]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/98820759/man-clocked-speeding-at-completely-unacceptable-181kmh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

cop said thats the fastest he has seen, hasn't seen much then. that road is just begging to be traveled at speed, not that i would of course, nor have i in the past, onest ocifer.

if i remember correctly the cop along there was one of the first to get a v3000 cause the commodores couldn't keep up with the traffic

[old slider]

Yeah and they were driving 60's and 70's cars with no seatbelts and smoking (it was compulsory) and screaming at the kids in the back. Be careful what you wish for.

I only wish that those driving anything other than motorcycles were more aware or conditioned to seeing those who are on two wheels.

As a teenager it appeared (to me) that we had a much higher ratio of two wheeled transport to other vehicle users than we have today.

I certainly was aware that our local roads (Wanganui) had high numbers of cyclists and motorcycle riders in the pre compulsory helmet era of 74.
I was working for Coleman Suzuki during the early 70s and we were assembling huge numbers of bikes for customers and the show room, sadly I cant record how many bikes went out the door each week, but I do remember getting sick of putting AC50s together mostly for younger workers and school leavers, The BSA rockets and Lightning etc made a nice change during the day, the explosion of the GTs and TS models was phenominal, I remember the 250 Hustler was popular.
The roads seemed to have lots of motorcycles, well around here anyways. I don't know if statistics are available of road bike numbers during the 60-70s in relation to other vehicles. ps, There was a plethora of busy and successful motorcycle shops here in this small town in those days.

[AllanB]

The roads seemed to have lots of motorcycles, well around here anyways. I don't know if statistics are available of road bike numbers during the 60-70s in relation to other vehicles. ps, There was a plethora of busy and successful motorcycle shops here in this small town in those days.

Motorcycles were cheap transport once. Not a luxury like they are now.

Jap import cars kill motorcycles. Why would a young chap spend $10k on a motorcycle when he can buy a fast car that carries five and fill it up with slightly overweight yet scantly clad young women?

[awayatc]

According to the statistics posted 37% of crashes are not the fault of the rider. It would be interested to know how many of the at fault crashes by riders are as a result of having a mid life crises as often in the media reports having a MLC can see you crash as MLC riders feel they can return to having the same ability they had when they gave up 20 - 30 years ago.

you are a fuckwit

[eldog]

Motorcycles were cheap transport once. Not a luxury like they are now.

Jap import cars kill motorcycles. Why would a young chap spend $10k on a motorcycle when he can buy a fast car that carries five and fill it up with slightly overweight yet scantly clad young women?
Bugger, I knew I shoulda brought a fast car......:bash:

[rastuscat]

Do you have actual facts to back this up?

Bike v pole. Just about everyone else managed to avoid it. Hard to blame the pole.

[rastuscat]

Motorcycles were cheap transport once. Not a luxury like they are now.

Jap import cars kill motorcycles. Why would a young chap spend $10k on a motorcycle when he can buy a fast car that carries five and fill it up with slightly overweight yet scantly clad young women?

That's the seminal moment. Jap imports. It's when the decline in bikes started. Today motorcycling is more of a pastime then a utility, as it used to be.

[nzspokes]

Or they just got out of riding school and got unlucky through the fault of someone else.

No its from your made up bullshit.

[EJK]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/98820759/man-clocked-speeding-at-completely-unacceptable-181kmh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

Solid effort in a Mazda 3!

[Old Steve]

I call bullshit on that one.

Crasher, have you anything with which to support such an erudite response.

I don't have any other information apart from the statement given by a motorbike trainer whom I respect. But my statement does appear to have an aspect of logic to back it up. Those of us who wear hi-viz just might be slightly more visible for the numbats driving cars to see us, and it may be that having chosen to wear a hi-viz we fit into a more conservative subset of motorbike riders who don't take the risks that the squids at the other end of the biker spectrum take. That still leaves us 14 times more likely to be killed or injured, but I'll take any improvement in the odds. By the way, I wore hi-viz right from the start of riding a motorbike, not because of any figures I have heard which support it.

However, if you do have data to support your supposition, let's have it.

[caspernz]

Crasher, have you anything with which to support such an erudite response.

I don't have any other information apart from the statement given by a motorbike trainer whom I respect. But my statement does appear to have an aspect of logic to back it up. Those of us who wear hi-viz just might be slightly more visible for the numbats driving cars to see us, and it may be that having chosen to wear a hi-viz we fit into a more conservative subset of motorbike riders who don't take the risks that the squids at the other end of the biker spectrum take. That still leaves us 14 times more likely to be killed or injured, but I'll take any improvement in the odds. By the way, I wore hi-viz right from the start of riding a motorbike, not because of any figures I have heard which support it.

However, if you do have data to support your supposition, let's have it.

Nothing wrong with Pete's (Crasher) assertion. You've more or less worked it out for yourself.

It's not what you wear, it's how you ride the bike that makes the difference. Positioning and following distance make a bigger difference than the colour of your suit. I do a bit of both, wear black one piece leathers and hi-viz vest or jacket other times. There's a difference that can be seen in how other road users react. The short version is that in cases where another road user doesn't actually look your way long enough, the hi-viz makes no difference. Positioning within the lane and following distance make the difference, oh and of course expecting not to be seen and making an adjustment for that. Call it Roadcraft if you like, and no, following it doesn't make you bullet proof but it improves your odds :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crasher, have you anything with which to support such an erudite response.


However, if you do have data to support your supposition, let's have it.

Keep ya hair on. I'm not nor was I having a go at you. I simply think you'll find that any such claim is total bullshit. You'll be doing well to find any such stats. But you're welcome to try and find conclusive evidence to back up the claim. I have better things to do. We still have cunts driving their cars/trucks etc in front of fucking locos. They're quite visible.

[Whynot]

We still have cunts driving their cars/trucks etc in front of fucking locos. They're quite visible.

Ahh but if the Locomotive was wearing a hi-vis vest ......

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ahh but if the Locomotive was wearing a hi-vis vest ......

Well, they have headlights that could melt the sun, make the ground shake, and a horn that could wake the dead. But yeah. maybe a high vis would be the answer. :msn-wink:

[Voltaire]

Keep ya hair on. I'm not nor was I having a go at you. I simply think you'll find that any such claim is total bullshit. You'll be doing well to find any such stats. But you're welcome to try and find conclusive evidence to back up the claim. I have better things to do. We still have cunts driving their cars/trucks etc in front of fucking locos. They're quite visible.

I was in the van the other day and the train approaching lights and bells started ringing, the cars stopped and the barrier arms dropped.

I was quite surprised to see a motorcycle weave past the cars and thru the lowered arms.

Can't say if he had Hi Viz on as i was in dumb arse cager mode with stereo cranked and reading KB posts on my phone :innocent:

[Katman]

By the way, I wore hi-viz right from the start of riding a motorbike, not because of any figures I have heard which support it.

Did it save you from any of your previous crashes?

[scumdog]

Here is the Ministry of Transports report for 2016.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/crashfacts/motorcyclecrashfacts/


The figures for motorcyclist at fault in a crash are lower than expected, going by my experience I expected it to be nearer 75%

[rastuscat]

All this discussion about fault. As if fault makes any difference.

It's still us who end up in the ambulance or hearse.

How about we stop rolling around in an argument about fault and think about what we can do to prevent being someone else's victims.

For example, instead of blaming crap roads for our woes, how about we ride like the roads are crap. Instead of erupting about people not giving way, how about we ride like people might not give way.

Just a thought.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ahh but if the Locomotive was wearing a hi-vis vest ......

But they are, it's the whole reason the front of every train is yellow (tho that could potentially change thanks to headlight improvements)


"Historically train fronts were required to have a yellow panel in order to make them more visible, a move which came in the 1950s when newer diesel and electric trains were found to be far quieter than steam."

[ellipsis]

...fuck off cunt...

[release_the_bees]

All this discussion about fault. As if fault makes any difference.


Whilst I completely agree with your entire post, I see that slice of the pie as the low hanging fruit. In my opinion, it shows how much safer motorcycling could immediately be if we all woke up one morning, adopted the right attitude and took self-responsibility for riding safely.


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[rastuscat]

Whilst I completely agree with your entire post, I see that slice of the pie as the low hanging fruit. In my opinion, it shows how much safer motorcycling could immediately be if we all woke up one morning, adopted the right attitude and took self-responsibility for riding safely.


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I cant change everyone else's attitude. But I can change mine instantly.

It's free, and it makes an immense difference.

[FJRider]

Fault makes ...

Fault ain't worth shit ... at fault and dead or not and fault and dead.

Does it really matter if your tombstone reads ... She wasn't at fault ....... ??????????????????

[FJRider]

The figures for motorcyclist at fault in a crash are lower than expected, going by my experience I expected it to be nearer 75%

That would be figures for Reported accidents ... :shutup:

[FJRider]

... my 10 cents worth.

ACC is not blaming motorcyclists for being at fault in all (or any) accidents.

Their argument is that we are more at risk of injury or death ... if we are involved an accident. Which we are. Even in a minor accident.

[FJRider]

I know I will be labeled as a religious nutter for saying this but ...

I wouldn't label you as such ... I have much stronger labels ... :devil2:

[Kickaha]

All this discussion about fault. As if fault makes any difference.

It's still us who end up in the ambulance or hearse.

How about we stop rolling around in an argument about fault and think about what we can do to prevent being someone else's victims.

For example, instead of blaming crap roads for our woes, how about we ride like the roads are crap. Instead of erupting about people not giving way, how about we ride like people might not give way.

Just a thought.

Fuck off donut muncher, you're talking far too much sense, you don't belong here

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fault makes a lot of difference as if there was no one at fault there would be no crashes so there needs to be incentives for people to never want to be found at fault in the first place. I have posted what I would like to see happen there in that those found at fault not only get fined/imprisonsed but also end up paying a higher ACC premium for their actions.

The issue being that once you've been t-boned by a SMIDSY none of that matters. Eating soft food and hoping you'll walk again become your piorites


Riding in a way to give way to those that may not give way is limited to times when you have no following traffic that may likely rear end you for braking unexpectedly.

well maybe. Dont forget you're on a motorbike though. You might be able to go round, or beside or whatever. But situational awareness dictates you should know whats behind you as well as whats ahead and if you'e being tailgated, slow down.


I dont blame the crap roads at all. It just involves buying a bike that can handle them safer. For those who can not afford to change bikes for different roads they will forever blame the roads I guess. I disagree. within reason you can ride any bike on any road. You just have to adapt. And think and be aware.


Ditching the bike altogether is the only way to reduce the chance of coming to grief and I was told by a bike cop at a motorcycle racing event once that even the police are not keen on wanting to ride a bike to patrol on. that does not logically follow - you have conflated two non sequiturs: the only way to reduce the chace of coming to grief is not to ride; and "I once talked to a bike cop at the races". Its the equivalent of saying: "The sky is blue today - I like cheese, and using that as a justification for "but I dont want cheese now because blue sky".

[Laava]

I know I will be labeled as a religious nutter for saying this but lets assume there will be a judgement day and if there is it will be those with the least amount of sin (fault) that will likely make it to heaven. So being at fault when you die could end up with your after life not being so pleasant if there is one of course.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! A judgement day! This is the sort of poisonous shit that christians use to brainwash their children! Is that what happened to you?

[Woodman]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! A judgement day! This is the sort of poisonous shit that christians use to brainwash their children! Is that what happened to you?

It is impossible to brainwash cassina..

[HenryDorsetCase]

I know I will be labeled as a religious nutter for saying this but lets assume there will be a judgement day and if there is it will be those with the least amount of sin (fault) that will likely make it to heaven. So being at fault when you die could end up with your after life not being so pleasant if there is one of course.

Oh dear. Really?

It does explain a lot. I believe in reincarnation so it doesnt really matter what I do in this life because my next life will be better.

I don't get involved in arguing about religion in person or on the internet. I'm not interested. My position is that I am a militant atheist and I think that religion (of all forms) is about the stupidest, most evil, thing we chimps have inflicted on ourselves. I cannot believe that in 207 utter idiots (including, apparently, you) not only give it any credence, but expect me to pay lip service to it or "respect" their position. I don't. And I won't. I just won't engage with you.

My final point is this: Hitchens Razor.

Congratulations by the way on being the most epic troll KB has ever seen. Sometimes you exhibit a near-KenM level of genius.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! A judgement day! This is the sort of poisonous shit that christians use to brainwash their children! Is that what happened to you?

All Judgment days are fictional. But some are epic and awesome, and some are just fiction:

[Woodman]

On hiviz vests. They do make the bike/rider more visible in my practical driving and riding experience. I don't wear one, but if they were made compulsory I can't see how it could reduce my riding pleasure.

And Rastus is right. Fault means fuck all.

Cassina is a fuckwit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

On hiviz vests. They do make the bike/rider more visible in my practical driving and riding experience. I don't wear one, but if they were made compulsory I can't see how it could reduce my riding pleasure.

And Rastus is right. Fault means fuck all.

Cassina is a fuckwit.

I have been thinking about that a bit: Most of my helmets have been black. Gloss black Shoei (wore it to work today) and a matt black Bandit. Even my Davida half face I dont wear anymore is black (with flames!). i might try a white or (shudder) hi viz helmet next time.

[russd7]

On hiviz vests. They do make the bike/rider more visible in my practical driving and riding experience. I don't wear one, but if they were made compulsory I can't see how it could reduce my riding pleasure.

And Rastus is right. Fault means fuck all.

Cassina is a fuckwit.

but hi vis just doesn't look cool

[jellywrestler]

I know I will be labeled as a religious nutter for saying this but lets assume there will be a judgement day and if there is it will be those with the least amount of sin (fault) that will likely make it to heaven. So being at fault when you die could end up with your after life not being so pleasant if there is one of course.

there's a stairway to heaven and a highway to hell, this tells you a bit about the traffic volumes...

[rastuscat]

Fuck off donut muncher, you're talking far too much sense, you don't belong here

Strange. I had almost developed a sense if belonging.

[release_the_bees]

I cant change everyone else's attitude. But I can change mine instantly.

It's free, and it makes an immense difference.Once again, I totally agree!

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[Bikemad]

Fault makes a lot of difference as if there was no one at fault there would be no crashes so there needs to be incentives for people to never want to be found DEAD in the first place. I have posted what I would like to see happen there in that those found at fault not only get fined/imprisonsed but also end up paying a higher ACC premium for their actions.
Riding in a way to give way to those that may not give way is limited to times when you have no following traffic that may likely rear end you for braking unexpectedly.
I dont blame the crap roads at all. It just involves buying a bike that can handle them safer. For those who can not afford to change bikes for different roads they will forever blame the roads I guess.
Ditching the bike altogether is the only way to reduce the chance of coming to grief and I was told by a bike cop at a motorcycle racing event once that even the police are not keen on wanting to ride a bike to patrol on.


I know I will be labeled as a religious nutter for saying this but lets assume there will be a judgement day and if there is it will be those with the least amount of sin (fault) that will likely make it to heaven. So being at fault when you die could end up with your after life not being so pleasant if there is one of course.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaaha............confirmed. ..........you are a nutjob...you and EDBEAR should form a club..

[rastuscat]

Fuck off donut muncher, you're talking far too much sense, you don't belong here

Strange. I had almost developed a sense of belonging.

[Bikemad]

keep up the FINE KB work there Rastus.....did ya see what i did there....hows retirement treatin ya

[rastuscat]

keep up the FINE KB work there Rastus.....did ya see what i did there....hows retirement treatin ya

Never worked so hard in my life.

Feck yez all.

[Murray]

Can't say if he had Hi Viz on as i was in dumb arse cager mode with stereo cranked and reading KB posts on my phone :innocent:

ON phone - you prick someone call 555

[PrincessBandit]

I would say that the fear of dying on a bike plays a big part in keeping me alive when riding.

I would prefer to say the desire to remain alive and well played a big part in keeping me alive when riding (rather than the negative version "fear of dying") but even that isn't enough when... (see next quote below)


I cant change everyone else's attitude. But I can change mine instantly.


Realistically my attitude (we're assuming positive and proactive awareness and satisfactory skill level) is still no guarantee that major shit won't happen while on two wheels. Since selling the bike I seem to see even more riders for whom the first word that goes through my head is......."dickhead"

[Bikemad]

I would prefer to say the desire to remain alive and well played a big part in keeping me alive when riding (rather than the negative version "fear of dying") but even that isn't enough when... (see next quote below)



Realistically my attitude (we're assuming positive and proactive awareness and satisfactory skill level) is still no guarantee that major shit won't happen while on two wheels. Since selling the bike I seem to see even more riders for whom the first word that goes through my head is......."dickhead"

what do you mean...selling your bike?.......what??

[Voltaire]

Oh dear. Really?

It does explain a lot. I believe in reincarnation so it doesnt really matter what I do in this life because my next life will be better.

.

I don't think reincarnation gives you an automatic upgrade, being a lawyer you might come back as Traffic Warden.:innocent:

[Honest Andy]

I don't think reincarnation gives you an automatic upgrade, being a lawyer you might come back as Traffic Warden.:innocent:

That could be an upgrade... sometimes traffic wardens are very nice people
:dodge:

[Old Steve]

That could be an upgrade... sometimes traffic wardens are very nice people
:dodge:

As John Cleese said about Donald Trump, "I don't see why he is complaining about being called a MORON - he should be pleased with the upgrade."

[T.W.R]

On hiviz vests. They do make the bike/rider more visible in my practical driving and riding experience.

From what I've seen personally these days in this bubble wrapped hiviz society, the vests have some visual aid out in the open but inner city & urban environment there's so many wearing them it all just blends into one big collage of colours. And to the average "gotta be somewhere 5mins ago" joe behind the wheel almost a veil of invisibility for their monocular form of vision.

C is an obtuse POS


i might try a white or (shudder) hi viz helmet next time.

Canary Yellow.......Ala Joey Dunlop ;)

[Voltaire]

From what I've seen personally these days in this bubble wrapped hiviz society, the vests have some visual aid out in the open but inner city & urban environment there's so many wearing them it all just blends into one big collage of colours. And to the average "gotta be somewhere 5mins ago" joe behind the wheel almost a veil of invisibility for their monocular form of vision.

C is an obtuse POS



Canary Yellow.......Ala Joey Dunlop ;)


Time to start wearing the " Hi Viz with LED's" with red ones on the back.

https://www.rideawaystore.com/product_images/117333/117333-zoom.jpg

http://www.ckl.uk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/hi-vis-led-cycling2.png



https://www.rideawaystore.com/en-NZ/Harry-Hall-LED-Hi-Viz-Adjustable-Reflective-Tabard/r5052369.htm?colour=fluorescent+yellow&sku=405601&productid=117333&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20API&_$ja=tsid:|cid:912719231|agid:51223153808|tid:pla-302748035475|crid:216784845776|nw:g|rnd:8118288948 362726353|dvc:c|adp:1o1&gclid=CjwKCAiAxarQBRAmEiwA6YcGKARXj6f01HXIRqccJXul ZcWvVBcEQlVqF9v6apASUGN-6tzMr8ne1RoC_4cQAvD_BwE

[eldog]

From what I've seen personally these days in this bubble wrapped hiviz society, the vests have some visual aid out in the open but inner city & urban environment there's so many wearing them it all just blends into one big collage of colours. And to the average "gotta be somewhere 5mins ago" joe behind the wheel almost a veil of invisibility for their monocular form of vision.

All true.

Make yourself more visible thru whatever means possible.
Joe public are only concerned about themselves.:eek5:

Will depend on what areas etc you are in. As to what you can do.

My OMG moments have been reducing.

It just means I need to concentrate more on my lack of stop, evasion and observation skills

[T.W.R]

Time to start wearing the " Hi Viz with LED's" with red ones on the back.



Bring back the BMW helmet that had the motion activated stop light across the back :crazy: everytime you nodded your head the light blazed up :pinch:

[jellywrestler]

Bring back the BMW helmet that had the motion activated stop light across the back :crazy: everytime you nodded your head the light blazed up :pinch:

fuck me, what happens when the wobblehead indians rode, they'd run out of batteries fast

[T.W.R]

fuck me, what happens when the wobblehead indians rode, they'd run out of batteries fast

:lol: Pataks bobblehead brigade
Just had a quick google to see if I could find a pic but see there's a new resurgence of ideas coming through for them with LED arrays etc. The Beemer one was a variation of the old golf ball style model helmet. Bit the same as when Suzuki rumoured the helmet with HUD in the mid/late 90s ;)

[scumdog]

Never worked so hard in my life.

Feck yez all.
THAT'S the spirit!

And whose fault is it that you're working so hard? he? eh?:msn-wink:

[Honest Andy]

The hardest part must be the fact that being retired he can't stop an idiot talking simply by putting a hand on their shoulder...
;)

[granstar]

Bring back the BMW helmet that had the motion activated stop light across the back :crazy: everytime you nodded your head the light blazed up :pinch:

Bring back the motorists that actually look in their mirrors, and indicate 3 seconds before they merge into an adjacent lane. Closey today with 4wd but was watching them predicted it and held back...sure enough ...i'm invisible, ... they did get to hear my first use of the gooses's honky horn just to let them know the person with the standout white helmet and headlight blaring at them is still alive. Don't think if I was painted head to toe in hi viz would have made any difference.

[granstar]

Time to start wearing the " Hi Viz with LED's" with red ones on the back.

https://www.rideawaystore.com/product_images/117333/117333-zoom.jpg

http://www.ckl.uk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/hi-vis-led-cycling2.png



https://www.rideawaystore.com/en-NZ/Harry-Hall-LED-Hi-Viz-Adjustable-Reflective-Tabard/r5052369.htm?colour=fluorescent+yellow&sku=405601&productid=117333&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20API&_$ja=tsid:|cid:912719231|agid:51223153808|tid:pla-302748035475|crid:216784845776|nw:g|rnd:8118288948 362726353|dvc:c|adp:1o1&gclid=CjwKCAiAxarQBRAmEiwA6YcGKARXj6f01HXIRqccJXul ZcWvVBcEQlVqF9v6apASUGN-6tzMr8ne1RoC_4cQAvD_BwE

If they don't look and see you, waste of time, avoid tin tops, ride defensively.

[T.W.R]

Bring back the motorists that actually look in their mirrors, and indicate 3 seconds before they merge into an adjacent lane. Closey today with 4wd but was watching them predicted it and held back...sure enough ...i'm invisible, ... they did get to hear my first use of the gooses's honky horn just to let them know the person with the standout white helmet and headlight blaring at them is still alive. Don't think if I was painted head to toe in hi viz would have made any difference.

Mirrors :laugh: depending on the geographical location they have dual purposes these days: either an extension of the bathroom vanity unit so they can check their warpaint on their mugs or for checking the rugrats aren't killing each other in the back seat, and external mirrors are feeler gauges for rubbing up against other vehicles & garage doors :yes:

Mirrors or not most of those types you had a reality check with suffer ME syndrome and are totally oblivious to others around them, you could be there beside their door naked and they'd still be focused on themselves & just themselves.

[granstar]

Mirrors :laugh: depending on the geographical location they have dual purposes these days: either an extension of the bathroom vanity unit so they can check their warpaint on their mugs or for checking the rugrats aren't killing each other in the back seat, and external mirrors are feeler gauges for rubbing up against other vehicles & garage doors :yes:

Mirrors or not most of those types you had a reality check with suffer ME syndrome and are totally oblivious to others around them, you could be there beside their door naked and they'd still be focused on themselves & just themselves.

Exackerly :Pokey: trust no crunt.

[rok-the-boat]

Read the article. It does not say if a car hit the bikes - so I presume so. Riders die when cars are involved.

I don't subscribe to that dayglow garbage.

I watch out for myself by actively watching out for myself.

In traffic I sometimes switch on the hazards as flashing lights are easy to see.

[Voltaire]

Read the article. It does not say if a car hit the bikes - so I presume so. Riders die when cars are involved.

I don't subscribe to that dayglow garbage.

I watch out for myself by actively watching out for myself.

In traffic I sometimes switch on the hazards as flashing lights are easy to see.

So the same 'cagers' who are blind to hi viz will see you filtering up behind them with your hazard lights on?

I watch out, but find my 360 degree vision taxed.

[Voltaire]

The onus is on the passing vehicle to make sure their passing manoeuvre is safe, not the expectation of the driver in front looking out for you.

The car/truck/campervan/tuk tuk,taxi etc driver is not paying any attention to you- ride accordingly.

Can recommend a few weeks of riding in Vietnam and India to drive this home.

I sometimes wear Hi Viz but as mentioned it has just blended into the wallpaper of life, notice how no one takes any notice off the speed signs

around road works when its not busy.

[ellipsis]

...fuck off cunt...

[rastuscat]

When I am in my car on the road to Akaroa I always look in my rear view mirror checking for group riders under pressure to keep up and I slow down to let them go if I can because I dont want them going splat on my car if they run out of road before the next bend.

Even if you are doing 120 on the Motukarara Straight keep looking in your mirrors.

There's almost always someone going faster.

Always use your mirrors. The CBTA standard is every 10 seconds or so, and when you are slowing down.

Don't do it because it's the CBTA standard. Do it because it's a good idea.

[Voltaire]

When I am in my car on the road to Akaroa I always look in my rear view mirror checking for group riders under pressure to keep up and I slow down to let them go if I can because I dont want them going splat on my car if they run out of road before the next bend.

Best you stay off the road and do some knitting or crosswords then pops.

[eldog]

When I am in my car on the road to Akaroa I always look in my rear view mirror checking for group riders under pressure to keep up and I slow down to let them go if I can because I dont want them going splat on my car if they run out of road before the next bend.

Prey to your GOD that your never at fault

[jellywrestler]

I don't subscribe to that dayglow garbage.

not my cup of tea but in every dayglow there's the white night strips which are pretty damn good in after hours at attracting attention

[EJK]

I don't subscribe to that dayglow garbage.


I sometimes read the comments section while eating my popcorn.

[Laava]

Prey to your GOD

And that there, that's a Freudian slip ladies and gentlemen!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Even if you are doing 120 on the Motukarara Straight keep looking in your mirrors.

There's almost always someone going faster.

Always use your mirrors. The CBTA standard is every 10 seconds or so, and when you are slowing down.

Don't do it because it's the CBTA standard. Do it because it's a good idea.

Motukarara straight you should be doing at LEAST 220, then the straight into the bends before Little River 240 plus or you're a filthy casual.

[jasonu]

I know I will be labeled as a religious nutter for saying this but lets assume there will be a judgement day and if there is it will be those with the least amount of sin (fault) that will likely make it to heaven. So being at fault when you die could end up with your after life not being so pleasant if there is one of course.

You are more likely to be (correctly) labeled a stupid cunt.

[Scuba_Steve]

Always use your mirrors. The CBTA standard is every 10 seconds or so, and when you are slowing down.

Don't do it because it's the CBTA standard. Do it because it's a good idea.

I agree with checking the mirrors but CBTA reckon you should have your attention OFF the road 60% of the time & to me that's just dangerous

[T.W.R]

Motukarara straight you should be doing at LEAST 220, then the straight into the bends before Little River 240 plus or you're a filthy casual.

Amateur :bleh: ;) :innocent:

[EJK]

I agree with checking the mirrors but CBTA reckon you should have your attention OFF the road 60% of the time & to me that's just dangerous

Quick mirror every 10 seconds, not check your mirrors for 10 seconds every 10 seconds.

How slow does your eyes move?

[Akzle]

When I am in my car on the road to Akaroa I always look in my rear view mirror checking for group riders under pressure to keep up and I slow down to let them go if I can because I dont want them going splat on my car if they run out of road before the next bend.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaaha............confirmed. ..........you are a nutjob...you and EDBEAR should form a club..

you spelled fuckwit wrong.

[Akzle]

The issue being that once you've been t-boned by a SMIDSY none of that matters. Eating soft food and hoping you'll walk again become your piorites


well maybe. Dont forget you're on a motorbike though. You might be able to go round, or beside or whatever. But situational awareness dictates you should know whats behind you as well as whats ahead and if you'e being tailgated, slow down.
I disagree. within reason you can ride any bike on any road. You just have to adapt. And think and be aware.
that does not logically follow - you have conflated two non sequiturs: the only way to reduce the chace of coming to grief is not to ride; and "I once talked to a bike cop at the races". Its the equivalent of saying: "The sky is blue today - I like cheese, and using that as a justification for "but I dont want cheese now because blue sky".

dude. don't engage. it's like trying to discuss particle physics with a pig. or in this case, any kind of sense with a fuckwit.

[Luckylegs]

I agree with checking the mirrors but CBTA reckon you should have your attention OFF the road 60% of the time & to me that's just dangerousAh? Wait, what? - theres road behind you right? As opposed to some little umper lumpers running behind you rolling it back up and quickly relaying it for you to ride over around the next bend.

[Luckylegs]

Quick mirror every 10 seconds, not check your mirrors for 10 seconds every 10 seconds.

How slow does your eyes move?

Overt racism ON

But you can check both mirrors at the same time, right? - we have to check each mirror in turn

Overt racism OFF

:shutup: :innocent:

[Scuba_Steve]

Ah? Wait, what? - theres road behind you right? As opposed to some little umper lumpers running behind you rolling it back up and quickly relaying it for you to ride over around the next bend.

Not umper lumpers, Langoliers

[Luckylegs]

Not umper lumpers, Langoliers

Premium service

[rastuscat]

I agree with checking the mirrors but CBTA reckon you should have your attention OFF the road 60% of the time & to me that's just dangerous

Similar to the discussion about speed tolerances. People over reacted by saying they had to stare at the speedo so long to make sure they weren't over a limit that it was unsafe.

A mirror scan (both mirrors) takes less than a second. As does checking a speedo.

Of course, exaggerating to make a point isn't just a KB thing

[pritch]

Unlike some on here I never ride with the fear of being at fault maybe due to the number of years I have been riding unlike others.
In the unlikely event I was ever at fault I guess that will bring an end to my desire for those at fault paying higher ACC premiums.

The dogs were innocent, it was all your fault. Don't worry over much about your relative lack of experience, just try to be as careful as you can meantime.

[eldog]

Unlike some on here I never ride with the fear of being at fault maybe due to the number of years I have been riding unlike others.
In the unlikely event I was ever at fault I guess that will bring an end to my desire for those at fault paying higher ACC premiums.

I doubt anyone here rides with fear of being at fault..... why would they, they ride to their ability and what they consider best for themselves.

there would be no reason for you to change your stance if you were found at fault. That would be like you saying all crims should be given long sentences(lol) and when your convicted demand a wet bus ticket.

the fact you don’t understand current law/acc etc doesn’t allow it.

[awayatc]

Unlike some on here I never ride with the fear of being at fault maybe due to the number of years I have been riding unlike others.
In the unlikely event I was ever at fault I guess that will bring an end to my desire for those at fault paying higher ACC premiums.

You are a fuckwit

[Woodman]

Unlike some on here I never ride with the fear of being at fault maybe due to the number of years I have been riding unlike others.
In the unlikely event I was ever at fault I guess that will bring an end to my desire for those at fault paying higher ACC premiums.

I don't think anyone rides around being afraid of being at fault. Maybe worried about having a crash. Fault means fuck all when you dead.

Moron

[Scuba_Steve]

Similar to the discussion about speed tolerances. People over reacted by saying they had to stare at the speedo so long to make sure they weren't over a limit that it was unsafe.

A mirror scan (both mirrors) takes less than a second. As does checking a speedo.

Of course, exaggerating to make a point isn't just a KB thing

3 mirrors in cages; humans aren't as fast at looking at things as we think we are, sure a glance is quick but a glance is how people hit trains, bikes, cars, trucks to actually look takes time, especially with differing conditions like lighting, time not spent looking where you are going; after all the popo used to push "it only takes a split second for a crash to happen" I'd rather see that coming & have a chance to avoid it than rely on a magical force field (one that doesn't seem to be very reliable thus far) that supposed to protect anyone under the speed limit looking at their mirror... I don't know maybee those people had their tongues positioned wrong? wrong coloured undies?
Use the mirror sure, especially when use of a mirror is needed like changing lanes but don't do it on a timed schedule just because someone came up with a random timeframe

[T.W.R]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GlaringWaterloggedBlackbear-max-1mb.gif

[eldog]

A funny take on your comment there rastus could be if you are doing 120 on the Motukarara Straight while riding under pressure to keep up always look in your mirrors as there will be someone riding under more pressure than you!!
How frequently I look in my mirrors depends on the road, surface of it and traffic density. You should know I am not into riding school regulations. I do know they check you look in your mirrors during a driving test so my timing must be ok anyway.

A funny thing oh wonderful poster, not all riders ride in groups, you might not be aware of this.

when you are doing your 120 to keep up, there could be a faint blue and red light coming up behind you, if you continue you could be at fault of failing to stop? Could you not.

even pulling over or going slow deliberately potentially could cause an accident if in the wrong place/time

If you don’t know about a subject, you shouldn’t comment on them. Eg riding school rules and regs.

how frequently YOU look is upto YOU, it’s all about situational awareness.

a lot of people have been trying to tell you that. It’s a good way of avoiding those dogs, reversing vehicles and those who don’t follow the law and are at fault.

just because you follow the letter of the law doesn’t mean you won’t crash or get injured.
remember the law sometimes is an ass. It’s only as good as it’s written and there are times laws must be broken to avoid problems such as oncoming vehicles head on, getting to emergency services.

Anyway good luck with your riding may your god protect you.

[eldog]

Sorry you find no humour in my post
I am aware pulling over in the wrong place to let speeders go by could cause an accident and if you read my post again I did say I pull over "where possible" Yes I do break the law in some situations too. The more you break it though the greater your chance of coming to grief.

Priding on the road can be fun and give enjoyment but it’s no joke, esp on a motorcycle:not::Pokey:

[ellipsis]

:sick:.

...fuck off...

[granstar]

I always look in my rear view mirror checking for group riders under pressure to keep up.


Please describe specifically "under pressure riders", so other motorists will know what to look for, or is a special mind reading skill?

[granstar]

Sorry you find no humour in my post. Yes I do break the law.

Maybe that is not funny :Police:

[rastuscat]

I had a group of learners out on Gebbies Pass today. It was an ACC Bronze Course. People learning good road skills.

We were overtaken by a series of tossers on a variety of high capacity bikes. One such tosser went past me on a blind left bend on his Moto Guzzi, on the wrong side of the road.

I expect by now he'll be sitting having his third Woodstock, congratulating himself for how awesome he is.

Wonder not why motorcyclists are being killed in increasing numbers. Tossers'R'Us explains the problem succinctly.

[caspernz]

I had a group of learners out on Gebbies Pass today. It was an ACC Bronze Course. People learning good road skills.

We were overtaken by a series of tossers on a variety of high capacity bikes. One such tosser went past me on a blind left bend on his Moto Guzzi, on the wrong side of the road.

I expect by now he'll be sitting having his third Woodstock, congratulating himself for how awesome he is.

Wonder not why motorcyclists are being killed in increasing numbers. Tossers'R'Us explains the problem succinctly.

It's not just bikers that have scant regard for their own (and others) safety. This morning was overtaken by a car on a blind uphill bend, lucky for him I backed the truck right off, or he'd have been a hood ornament on the oncoming big rig. Not even 15 minutes later same Richard Cranium is parked outside a cafe. Yes I made the obligatory phone call, although he really deserved a lead disprin...:rolleyes:

[jasonu]

It's not just bikers that have scant regard for their own (and others) safety. This morning was overtaken by a car on a blind uphill bend, lucky for him I backed the truck right off, or he'd have been a hood ornament on the oncoming big rig. Not even 15 minutes later same Richard Cranium is parked outside a cafe. Yes I made the obligatory phone call, although he really deserved a lead disprin...:rolleyes:

You should have stopped and pissed in his $8 latte

[nzspokes]

I had a group of learners out on Gebbies Pass today. It was an ACC Bronze Course. People learning good road skills.

We were overtaken by a series of tossers on a variety of high capacity bikes. One such tosser went past me on a blind left bend on his Moto Guzzi, on the wrong side of the road.

I expect by now he'll be sitting having his third Woodstock, congratulating himself for how awesome he is.

Wonder not why motorcyclists are being killed in increasing numbers. Tossers'R'Us explains the problem succinctly.

Rode a couple of hundred Ks on/off gravel yesterday. With a group. I felt no pressure to keep up even though Im a Newb at gravel. I know right whats up with that with ADV riders...... Everybody seems to be out to look at the views and not race. :rolleyes:

Except one bellend coming the other way on a sealed road. Dude on an Africa Twin came round a right to him turn with his whole body in my lane. :brick:

I could go a Woodstock.

[Moi]

The Associate Transport Minister Julie-Anne Genter has called a meeting with officials: "Ms Genter has called together officials from the police, the Ministry of Transport and the NZTA for an urgent meeting on Tuesday."

She's concerned with the rising road toll - today the road toll was equal to that for all of 2016.

If you were able to be at that meeting on Tuesday and able to make one suggestion that might help lower the incidents of appalling driving which possibly lead to fatalities on the road, what would you suggest?

The full report from TV3 news is here: Crisis meeting as road toll hits a grim milestone (http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/crisis-meeting-as-road-toll-hits-a-grim-milestone.html)

[Akzle]

.

If you were able to be at that meeting on Tuesday and able to make one suggestion that might help lower the incidents of appalling driving which possibly lead to fatalities on the road, what would you suggest?
]

vote. fucken. akzle.

[awayatc]

The Associate Transport Minister Julie-Anne Genter has called a meeting with officials: "Ms Genter has called together officials from the police, the Ministry of Transport and the NZTA for an urgent meeting on Tuesday."

She's concerned with the rising road toll - today the road toll was equal to that for all of 2016.

If you were able to be at that meeting on Tuesday and able to make one suggestion that might help lower the incidents of appalling driving which possibly lead to fatalities on the road, what would you suggest?

The full report from TV3 news is here: Crisis meeting as road toll hits a grim milestone (http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/crisis-meeting-as-road-toll-hits-a-grim-milestone.html)

Do they realy want to know?

Not that hard if they would......

[rastuscat]

If you were able to be at that meeting on Tuesday and able to make one suggestion that might help lower the incidents of appalling driving which possibly lead to fatalities on the road, what would you suggest?]

Issue all road users with a mirror so they can see a picture of what needs to change.

[Bikemad]

Unlike some on here I never ride with the fear of being at fault maybe due to the fact i am delusional and coz God loves me.... unlike others.
In the unlikely event I was ever at fault coz i have my head up my rose smelling arse... I guess that will bring an end to my desire for those at fault paying higher ACC premiums.
how the fuck are you gonna get a corpse to pay a higher ACC premium
you dumb fuck....i think you will find EVERYONE rides with the FEAR of being fuckin KILLED as the highest price to pay...at that point ya dead...the cost is irrelevant
bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha,,,,,hahahahahahah.....you is funny......PRAY tell....do you ever ride with the fear of being KILLED regardless of whom is at fault...bwahahahahahaha....i got 44 years riding....how many years have you been riding with the lord and angels at your side then expert...and if so then how come you crashed as you have already admitted to....maybe your GOD doesn't really love you after all..........do tell oh wise one.........
yep... you truely are a fuckwit....now thats GOSPEL

[Berries]

If you were able to be at that meeting on Tuesday and able to make one suggestion that might help lower the incidents of appalling driving which possibly lead to fatalities on the road, what would you suggest?
A big call stating that appalling driving leads to fatal crashes. Generally they are small mistakes which unfortunately due to the amount of energy involved result in massive trauma. No idea how you stop someone from making a genuine mistake.

I would however ban Chinese nationals from driving here. I will wager three more locals killed before the end of the year by a Chinese driver who lacks the basic skills we expect of a 15 year old learner. It is well past time that action was taken.

And obviously I would ban motorbikes as well. If you are serious about road safety you can't allow two wheeled vehicles on our roads. Fucking death traps, unstable vehicles with stupid power to weight ratios.

Long live the GSXR.

[Bikemad]

Unlike some on here I never ride with the fear of being at fault maybe due to the number of years I have been riding unlike others.
In the unlikely event I was ever at fault I guess that will bring an end to my desire for those at fault paying higher ACC premiums.
HOLY FUCK....you are immaculate...perfect....so when are you going to open a Motorcycle Riding Skills School ?

[Bikemad]

Most at fault crashes would not result in the death of the person at fault though so they would have to pay up.what proof can you offer for this statement They could always bring in the death penalty for anyone at fault where their actions result in death and I bet that would have the effect of reducing crashes too.[R RATED]so they wouldn't pay anything then would they...they be dead...refer to my earlier post dumbass[/R RATED] I am not actually religious but just raised the topic of a possible judgement day in reply to a poster that said if you die at fault of causing a crash there is no difference to dying not being at fault. We will never know if there will be a judgement day until after we are dead though[R RATED]so you are suggesting i might need a ton of cash or my EFT POS card upon entry to heaven....i know God is shit with money down here but never realised i might need it up there[/R RATED].

you are still a fuckwit

[Bikemad]

Most at fault crashes would not result in the death of the person at fault though so they would have to pay up. They could always bring in the death penalty for anyone at fault where their actions result in death and I bet that would have the effect of reducing crashes too. I am not actually religious but just raised the topic of a possible judgement day in reply to a poster that said if you die at fault of causing a crash there is no difference to dying not being at fault. We will never know if there will be a judgement day until after we are dead though.
ok..gonna have to try again
why would "most at fault crashes" NOT result in the death of the person at fault.Please provide EVIDENCE/STATISTICS that can be confirmed to back up this statement
So you are saying that people who are at fault/make a mistake that results in a death on the road should be put to death? Interesting...you seem to have totally missed the point that if you have a crash on the road resulting in someones Death,yours or the other guys,whether it is your fault or not,...you still run the same risk of the same result...DEATH......my point being you should always drive,and most of us do, with the fear that you might be killed on the road through no Fault of my own no matter how safe you think you are driving/riding...the highest price to pay..how the fuck is your idea going to make me drive any safer than that....with or without Gods help
Risk of the Highest price to pay....Cassina...$$$$$$
Risk of the Highest price to pay....Everyone else.....DEATH
Oh i almost forgot...you are a fuckwit...

[T.W.R]

I had a group of learners out on Gebbies Pass today. It was an ACC Bronze Course. People learning good road skills.


What a shit place to take learners on a day like that :weird:
Winge about encountering a bunch of head jobs on Gebbies on a perfectly fine early summer day what did you expect?? Gebbies is as notorious as the akers road and you took newbs into that environment :facepalm: you need to think more about your charges & exposing them to that.

Why do you think the ones who've ridden those roads for decades ride early morning & avoid it completely during the height of the day solely to minimise the risk of encountering the muppets both on two wheels & cars

[Jeff Sichoe]

the shit thing is that julie anne genter is an unelected official who only moved here 9 years ago (from the states, no less) and is a bicycle loving idiot

whatever she comes up with we're fucked

get ready for GPS anklets for all Motorcycle riders so they can ping us automatically for

speeding
unsafe acceleration
passing too close to a precious bicyclist
making a mean noise with your motor
looking scary and scaring people :(

enjoy the lifestyle while you can lads, this shit ain't gonna last forever!

[Voltaire]

Rode a couple of hundred Ks on/off gravel yesterday. With a group. I felt no pressure to keep up even though Im a Newb at gravel. I know right whats up with that with ADV riders...... Everybody seems to be out to look at the views and not race. :rolleyes:

Except one bellend coming the other way on a sealed road. Dude on an Africa Twin came round a right to him turn with his whole body in my lane. :brick:

I could go a Woodstock.

Port Waikato area on Sat?

[nzspokes]

Port Waikato area on Sat?

Yerp. Was a great ride.

[Voltaire]

Yerp. Was a great ride.

Saw all your bikes at Nike Cafe, I did the gravel section on the way back, great road.

[yoyo 2wheels]

:brick::brick::brick::lol::lol:

[granstar]

Most at fault crashes would not result in the death of the person at fault though so they would have to pay up. They could always bring in the death penalty for anyone at fault where their actions result in death and I bet that would have the effect of reducing crashes too. I am not actually religious but just raised the topic of a possible judgement day in reply to a poster that said if you die at fault of causing a crash there is no difference to dying not being at fault. We will never know if there will be a judgement day until after we are dead though.

Complete spurious BS!!! Everybody (but you) knows Judgement Day FYI is tomorrow.

[Night Falcon]

You cant be that dumb to think most "at fault" accidents result in death can you? I dont actually drive or ride with the fear of death like you do but neither do skydivers fly with the fear of death but I would certainly fear death if I tried that. We all have different fear thresholds for different activities I guess. With respect to the death penalty did you know when we had it there were substantially fewer murders than we have today. Its worth pondering over maybe.

hummm you maybe on to something.....last time we had capital punishment the national level of debt was almost nill, there was no methamphetamine's or any serious drug problems for that matter, gang violence wasn't herd of, heck neither was Donald Trump.....bringing back the gallows gonna fix us ya reckon :rofl:




(lets not mention the last bloke hanged in NZ (Napier prision IIRC) was latter found innocent....meh he probably had it coming for something else

[eldog]

Issue all road users with a mirror so they can see a picture of what needs to change.

Road User gets the new 'free' Gubbermint road safety device issued by RoadCraft Inc.

Unwraps the "Bring down accidents campaign, lets do it, device - it cost 3million to deliver"

Road User looks at it, turns it over and over...
after several what seems like minutes, a voice can be heard.

"but, but, it can't be me. Its my right to use the road. Its just got to be those foreigners, us Kiwis we are perfect, arent we?":crazy:

Yes Foreigners cause some major accidents and they get the headlines.
But us Kiwis cause just as many - no headlines
They may not be those on KB, but they are fellow Kiwis, they drive like shit, they drive when they are incapable, they take unacceptable risks.

A lot of these (not all) are avoidable.
People do have heart attacks, fall asleep, mechanical failure, road not up to standard etc, not all are drug/alcohol/speed
like most things there are rules but there always exceptions

When riding the user needs to determine what is less likely to cause a problem for them.
Sometimes I ride fast, but often slow, I make that decision myself.
Even when group riding, its my own decision. Those who ride with me accept that.....:woohoo:
I went to Katikati from Auckland on Sunday - no less than 3 accidents in which cars were written off, did I go by.:corn:

I often wonder if I should buy a tank.:whistle:

[eldog]

hummm you maybe on to something.....last time we had capital punishment the national level of debt was almost nill, there was no methamphetamine's or any serious drug problems for that matter, gang violence wasn't herd of, heck neither was Donald Trump.....bringing back the gallows gonna fix us ya reckon :rofl:

There are occasions where it should be used.

Recently a person stole the purse of a crash victim, from the crashed vehicle while the rescue service was getting them out of the car.
That person could be first... to help himself.

[rastuscat]

What a shit place to take learners on a day like that :weird:
Winge about encountering a bunch of head jobs on Gebbies on a perfectly fine early summer day what did you expect??

I assess the people I have on a course and did so that day. I then decide where to take them, based on their skills, maturity and confidence.

Of course, you are in a far better position to make that call, sitting behind your keyboard never having met those people.

In future I'll PM you the day before I run a course and ask you where to take them.

Thanks for your help.

[Night Falcon]

There are occasions where it should be used.

Recently a person stole the purse of a crash victim, from the crashed vehicle while the rescue service was getting them out of the car.
That person could be first... to help himself.

the tossers who nicked my trailer couple months back can be next.....along with all motorbike thieves

[AllanB]

Crazy riders who often overtake multiple vehicles all together. They can be seen most Summer Saturdays and Sundays going from ChCh to Akaroa.

I passed three in a row yesterday on that road. But I was not in a group ride so it was OK :devil2:

[caspernz]

Issue all road users with a mirror so they can see a picture of what needs to change.

Oh c'mon now, personal responsibility is just soooo 1994 :devil2::rolleyes::Oi:


A big call stating that appalling driving leads to fatal crashes. Generally they are small mistakes which unfortunately due to the amount of energy involved result in massive trauma. No idea how you stop someone from making a genuine mistake.

By nature I'm rather chilled out, but when I repeatedly see clowns overtake on double yellows...not to mention the cell phones users, tailgaters, red light runners etc.




get ready for GPS anklets for all Motorcycle riders so they can ping us automatically for

speeding
unsafe acceleration
passing too close to a precious bicyclist
making a mean noise with your motor
looking scary and scaring people :(

enjoy the lifestyle while you can lads, this shit ain't gonna last forever!

I'll wanna take that GPS anklet skydiving :devil2::laugh:


fellow Kiwis, they drive like shit, they drive when they are incapable, they take unacceptable risks.

A lot of these (not all) are avoidable.
People do have heart attacks, fall asleep, mechanical failure, road not up to standard etc, not all are drug/alcohol/speed
like most things there are rules but there always exceptions

I went to Katikati from Auckland on Sunday - no less than 3 accidents in which cars were written off, did I go by.:corn:

I often wonder if I should buy a tank.:whistle:

The average NZ driver is only below average when compared to countries where licenses don't come out of a Weetbix packet though...

Mechanical failure and medical event accidents combined are still single digit % of total. The rest mostly fits in the category of human error, whether by carelessness/poor skills/impairment.


I assess the people I have on a course and did so that day. I then decide where to take them, based on their skills, maturity and confidence.

Of course, you are in a far better position to make that call, sitting behind your keyboard never having met those people.

In future I'll PM you the day before I run a course and ask you where to take them.

Thanks for your help.

It's a funny thing aye, the unwashed offering advice on stuff they've not had any formal training in? Can I offer you a truckload of cotton wool to wrap your poor wee trainees up in...:rolleyes::bleh::laugh:

[rastuscat]

Can I offer you a truckload of cotton wool to wrap your poor wee trainees up in...:rolleyes::bleh::laugh:
Wrap mine in cinnamon donuts and you can have your wish.

[FJRider]

hummm you maybe on to something.....

Good idea ... forget demerit points ... bring back the noose ... :yes:

40 km/hr over the limit ... the noose.

Running red lights ... the noose.

Passing on blind corners and double yellows ... the noose.

Cutting corners ... the noose.



There probably are more crimes just as worthy ... but that'll be a start. BUT ... watch the road toll come down ... :devil2:

Give Police powers to carry out "justice" roadside ... and their recruitment figures will go through the roof ... :innocent:

THOSE "Offenders" were probably going to die on the road anyway ... :calm:

[Bikemad]

You cant be that dumb to think most "at fault" accidents result in death can you? I dont actually drive or ride with the fear of death like you do but neither do skydivers fly with the fear of death but I would certainly fear death if I tried that. We all have different fear thresholds for different activities I guess. With respect to the death penalty did you know when we had it there were substantially fewer murders than we have today. Its worth pondering over maybe.

fuck you truely are batshit crazy.....YOU said...Most at fault crashes do NOT result in the death of the person at fault......once again...please provide evidence to back up YOUR claim to this statement...go on ..i dare ya
So do you think skydivers would skydive any more safely if they thought they could be fined for skydiving unsafely.....NO DUMBASS....because Death is the highest price they could pay....do you get it now
somehow i doubt it though

[Akzle]

I assess the people I have on a course and did so that day. I then decide where to take them, based on their skills, maturity and confidence.

Of course, you are in a far better position to make that call, sitting behind your keyboard never having met those people.

In future I'll PM you the day before I run a course and ask you where to take them.

Thanks for your help.

shit old son. we'll make a cynic of you yet

[FJRider]

You cant be that dumb to think most "at fault" accidents result in death can you?

The majority of road accidents are due usually to more than one factor. One mistake by one motorist is not a guaranteed accident (fatal or otherwise) ... but a number of factors ... with a small "error of judgement" by one road user (not necessarily a traffic infringement) ... and an "accident" kicks off.

Being within the bounds of legislation ... is not always the same as "not at fault" ... Don't be "THAT" factor that starts the accident.

As you ride or drive on any road at any time ... count the "factors" (road conditions, weather, traffic volume/density, your/their speed, to name but a few) that influence your motoring ... and ride/drive accordingly. ie: Reduce the number of factors ... and you will lessen the risk.

Your claim you dont always have time is bullshit. It only means you are not paying attention to your surroundings ... going too fast ... following too closely ... or not thinking about what you are doing. Usually ... ALL of the above.

Learn to mind read ... try to guess what that (idiot) in the vehicle ((anywhere) near you is going to do next. Assume the worst ... and you will be ready. If you were wrong (as per usual) you will still be alive. (groans from most of KB members) If you are right (Maybe ... it might happen) you will be ready. Then ... if you actually know what the best thing to then do is (take a riding course if you don't) ... you may live a little longer. (MORE groans from KB members)

[FJRider]

I have said it before if we all could mind read like you there would be no crashes by anyone at all. If I was as paranoid about crashing as you are I dont think I would be in anything smaller than a Hummer.

Paranoia keeps me alive. :laugh:

I couldn't live with the alternative ... :shifty:

[caspernz]

The majority of road accidents are due usually to more than one factor. One mistake by one motorist is not a guaranteed accident (fatal or otherwise) ... but a number of factors ... with a small "error of judgement" by one road user (not necessarily a traffic infringement) ... and an "accident" kicks off.

Being within the bounds of legislation ... is not always the same as "not at fault" ... Don't be "THAT" factor that starts the accident.

As you ride or drive on any road at any time ... count the "factors" (road conditions, weather, traffic volume/density, your/their speed, to name but a few) that influence your motoring ... and ride/drive accordingly. ie: Reduce the number of factors ... and you will lessen the risk.

Your claim you dont always have time is bullshit. It only means you are not paying attention to your surroundings ... going too fast ... following too closely ... or not thinking about what you are doing. Usually ... ALL of the above.

Learn to mind read ... try to guess what that (idiot) in the vehicle ((anywhere) near you is going to do next. Assume the worst ... and you will be ready. If you were wrong (as per usual) you will still be alive. (groans from most of KB members) If you are right (Maybe ... it might happen) you will be ready. Then ... if you actually know what the best thing to then do is (take a riding course if you don't) ... you may live a little longer. (MORE groans from KB members)

As a firm believer in advanced driving as well as defensive driving techniques, can but wholly support your assertions. Nothing paranoid in there, nor does it require mind reading or crystal ball gazing :niceone:


I have said it before if we all could mind read like you there would be no crashes by anyone at all. If I was as paranoid about crashing as you are I dont think I would be in anything smaller than a Hummer.

Most amusing to find yet another example of closed minded retarded thinking. Being proactive in avoiding an incident initiated by another road user is called defensive driving/riding. It requires merely a modicum of training/coaching to achieve a reasonable level of proficiency. The old 80/20 rule applies here, as with most learned skills. The proviso where you continually fall short though...one requires an open mind to acquire new knowledge. As you were :sleep:

[rastuscat]

I don't regard most people as idiots. I keep seeing references to motorists as idiots.

Most people who cause crashes are not idiots. Sure, some are, but not the majority.

Most people who cause crashes are just Mr and Mrs Average who make mistakes. Human errors.

Hands up who hasn't made a human error.

Once we start to regard people as humans who make human errors, we can start to factor those errors into our ride plans. If, in fact, we have a ride plan.

Things you can understand can be mitigated.

Or we can just run round calling people idiots and continuing to suffer the results.

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't regard most people as idiots. I keep seeing references to motorists as idiots.

Most people who cause crashes are not idiots. Sure, some are, but not the majority.

Most people who cause crashes are just Mr and Mrs Average who make mistakes. Human errors.

Hands up who hasn't made a human error.

Once we start to regard people as humans who make human errors, we can start to factor those errors into our ride plans. If, in fact, we have a ride plan.

Things you can understand can be mitigated.

Or we can just run round calling people idiots and continuing to suffer the results.

People are Smart Idiots
Everyone is smart at somethings & fucking retarded at others what those things are depends on the person; it's sad to say "mundane" things like driving usually comes in the latter for alot of people it just doesn't carry interest for them, it's just a way to get A to B, so why be smart at it.

NZTA works hard making sure people don't need to take an interest in driving, car manufactures have done a bit too the end result is a road full of people that don't want to or have to care; How to make them care? Don't know, either revert to the "dangerous" vehicles/roads of yesteryear or maybee we'll just have to work on changing peoples attitudes to self drive cars for when they become a thing & then finally implement a licencing system that only passes those who can actually drive

[nzspokes]

People are Smart Idiots
Everyone is smart at somethings & fucking retarded at others what those things are depends on the person; it's sad to say "mundane" things like driving usually comes in the latter for alot of people it just doesn't carry interest for them, it's just a way to get A to B, so why be smart at it.

NZTA works hard making sure people don't need to take an interest in driving, car manufactures have done a bit too the end result is a road full of people that don't want to or have to care; How to make them care? Don't know, either revert to the "dangerous" vehicles/roads of yesteryear or maybee we'll just have to work on changing peoples attitudes to self drive cars for when they become a thing & then finally implement a licencing system that only passes those who can actually drive

100mm long spike on the steering wheel should do it.

[eldog]

I saw human error on a Grande scale this morning on the way to work at a railway crossing. There is a tee intersection a couple of metres just after. The tee intersection was jammed. I managed to be on the free side approaching railway. 6 cars jammed in across railway and tee intersection on one side really only room for 2.
One newly arrived import crossed the double yellow. And then tried to force me back. Usually I would ok, but today nah. Learn the road rules. Forced him to back over railway line. And onto his side of road. Tuff if a train was coming as he was driving a community van he should be a better driver.

Learn to look ahead when driving numb nut.

Human error can cost lives.

[T.W.R]

I assess the people I have on a course and did so that day. I then decide where to take them, based on their skills, maturity and confidence.

Of course, you are in a far better position to make that call, sitting behind your keyboard never having met those people.

In future I'll PM you the day before I run a course and ask you where to take them.

Thanks for your help.

:facepalm: well that's a rather more immature & childish response than expected, though with the amount of "I"s in it a pompous retort also.

If you did make the judgement call based on the capabilities of the group and took them into that environment knowing full well what to expect good for you.....yet still have a pissy over some knuckle draggers....well done; there's nothing like a bit of time at the coal face to get newbs dirty & exposing them to the filth that's out there.

If you can't face the fact of what was said then that's your prerogative :niceone:
Though with the recent tone of a few of your replies posted there's a few cracks starting to appear in the squeaky clean shell. So if you want to throw smug taunts go right ahead.

Actually I have been wondering which episode hooked you & who did you dream of being Jon or Ponch? because you fit right into that generation of cop and it ain't all beer & skittles once you leave the uniform behind.

[Moi]

vote. fucken. akzle.

Is that the best you can do?

[Moi]

A big call stating that appalling driving leads to fatal crashes...

Why I used the word "possibly"...

[Moi]

the shit thing is that julie anne genter is an unelected official who only moved here 9 years ago (from the states, no less) and is a bicycle loving idiot

whatever she comes up with we're fucked

get ready for GPS anklets for all Motorcycle riders so they can ping us automatically for

speeding
unsafe acceleration
passing too close to a precious bicyclist
making a mean noise with your motor
looking scary and scaring people :(

enjoy the lifestyle while you can lads, this shit ain't gonna last forever!

Feeling a tad guilty?

[FJRider]

Constant paranoia can't be good for your mental health though?

It's really not so much paranoia ... just guesses what a particular motorist might do.

Like ... motorists that are -

parked on the side of the road ...

waiting at busy intersections for a gap (big enough for them) in the traffic flow ...

driving or backing out of driveways ...

coming up behind you at speed ...

approaching you on/near/weaving /over the center-line ...

moving or parked with their indicators on ...

and my personal favorite ...

Following a vehicle with the driver looking at an opened map in front of them. It does surprise me how often I guess right though.

ESP .. ??? maybe ... ???


There are plenty of other situations I try to guess ... it helps keep me alert (this country NEEDS more lerts) ... Feel free to try it yourself. It IS free ... and you might surprise yourself how good you are at it. The endless supply of IDIOTS this country breeds give you a good chance of success.

It may even save your life ...

[FJRider]

Explain then how someone can be taught to see around bends? One of my not at fault accidents was such an accident. Even if I did have the ability like you to see around bends it would have been little use in my situation as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge and there was nowhere to swerve anyway.


The "thing" about one way bridges are ... few seem to realize that the little red arrows (or the big black ones) on the signs at either end of one way bridges mean.

The first on the bridge does NOT have automatic right of way. So ... until you can see if the way is clear ... slow down and be prepared to stop to let traffic cross. EVEN ... if the bridge signs indicate you have right of way.

Thus ... your "not my fault accident" might not need to have happened. YOUR stupidity and ignorance caused it.

Not your fault .. ?? BULL SHIT .. !!!

[FJRider]

And I bet each day you make it home at night you say I got lucky today in making it home despite all the screws of others I encountered. As I have said many times though how lucky you get depends on their distance and speed from you when they screw up.

Nope ... nothing LUCKY about it. My guesses come under the heading of situational awareness. Seeing problems before they become big problems for you.

And ... I avoid screws if I see them ... they're hard on tires ...

[FJRider]

Its impossible to plan for the potential screwups of others as they are the ones that set the distance and speed from you when they screw up and both can vary widely despite the common belief on here that there will always be time to avoid them.

Do nothing to prevent it ... by not actively LOOKING for potential issues ... effectively means YOU let it happen.

Even I don't claim to ALWAYS have time to avoid them ... but usually time to reduce the severity of them.


You said some weeks back on here you gave up group riding due to the screwups of others in your group. You could very well apply the same thinking to other motorists in general and give up riding completely as a result of their behaviour too could you not?

The dangerous factors (THAT word again) that are seen on group rides ... seldom are seen in normal traffic flow ... with the frequency they are seen on most group rides. Following too closely and overtaking errors are the two most common problems on a group ride. In four wheeled traffic flow ... these are also the main accident causes.

Funnily enough ... group CAR runs to set destinations can also show similar issues to those to group rides ...

[FJRider]

Well done we agree on one thing if nothing else that group rides are dangerous. You can now expect to get abuse as I have for your feeling about group rides on here too.

Has it ever crossed your tiny mind ... why those dangerous factors (that word again) appear. AND ... how to avoid them .. ???

You list the issues you hate about group rides ... and I'll tell you how to avoid them. NO fancy skills needed ... or riding/racing school certificates needed either.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The "thing" about one way bridges are ... few seem to realize that the little red arrows (or the big black ones) on the signs at either end of one way bridges mean.

The first on the bridge does NOT have automatic right of way. So ... until you can see if the way is clear ... slow down and be prepared to stop to let traffic cross. EVEN ... if the bridge signs indicate you have right of way.

Thus ... your "not my fault accident" might not need to have happened. YOUR stupidity and ignorance caused it.

Not your fault .. ?? BULL SHIT .. !!!

there was a motorcyclist killed last year (?) on a one way bridge.

[Akzle]

Is that the best you can do?

i believe my policies have been made pretty clear in the past. and i probably stand by most of them. maybe. unless it's financially convinent for me not to, obviously.

[Akzle]

Its impossible to plan for the potential screwups of others as they are the ones that set the distance and speed from you when they screw up and both can vary widely despite the common belief on here that there will always be time to avoid them. You said some weeks back on here you gave up group riding due to the screwups of others in your group. You could very well apply the same thinking to other motorists in general and give up riding completely as a result of their behaviour too could you not?

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

Well done we agree on one thing if nothing else that group rides are dangerous. You can now expect to get abuse as I have for your feeling about group rides on here too.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

I have never been into group rides anyway. Rastus took the approach of giving up group riding in his post a few weeks back. With his professional ex police riding experience if there was an alternative to giving up he of all people would know.
As to why group rides are so dangerous its the pressure to keep up/show off, the "Pied Piper Effect" or a combination of the three.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

I would have been killed myself if I had been on a bike. I ended up going from a lowish sports coupe to a 4WD after that experience.
I tour in that mostly now.

no-one cares. you're a fuckwit.

[FJRider]

there was a motorcyclist killed last year (?) on a one way bridge.

As I recall ... he was exiting the Waiau bridge in north Canterbury when a car entered the bridge without checking/giving way for oncoming traffic. TOTALLY preventable.

[FJRider]

I have never been into group rides anyway. Rastus took the approach of giving up group riding in his post a few weeks back. With his professional ex police riding experience if there was an alternative to giving up he of all people would know.
As to why group rides are so dangerous its the pressure to keep up/show off, the "Pied Piper Effect" or a combination of the three.

Not doing group rides ... :killingme he gets paid to organize and do them ...:shifty: With training riders no less ...:laugh:

As usual ... THIS post of yours is bullshit twaddle.

[FJRider]

The police thought different to you though and prosecuted the driver. Even a witness who came to my aid said it was not my fault. If you find yourself in the same situation the police will find the other driver at fault too despite the likely effort you will make to take responsibility. Hitting you will be every "At Fault" motorist's dream come true. On the other hand though if you get injured enough it could change your thinking.

Think on this ... if you gave way to the oncoming vehicle ... the accident would not have happened. Thus ... your accident was totally preventable.

AND YOU ARE A FUCKWIT for letting it happen ...

[EJK]

Think on this ... if you gave way to the oncoming vehicle ... the accident would not have happened. Thus ... your accident was totally preventable.


Like this?

https://www.facebook.com/liam.saies/posts/10155846820376908

[FJRider]

Like this?

https://www.facebook.com/liam.saies/posts/10155846820376908

As I said ... give way to the errant vehicle and NO accident occurs ... :blank:

Cassina would have ridden into the front of it ... because she wasn't at fault ... :rolleyes:

[EJK]

As I said ... give way to the errant vehicle and NO accident occurs ... :blank:

Cassina would have ridden into the front of it ... because she wasn't at fault ... :rolleyes:

Or close her eyes, hang on for dear life and hope for "luck" to happen.

[FJRider]

Or close her eyes, hang on for dear life and hope for "luck" to happen.

Or going to fast and not have time to avoid it ... :laugh:

[granstar]

no-one cares. you're a fuckwit.

We do, what colour so we can avoid ;)

[granstar]

Like this?

https://www.facebook.com/liam.saies/posts/10155846820376908

And the brigade that has shit that doesn't stink go straight for the tourist jugular FFS!

[Viking01]

http://www.visordown.com/advanced-riding/five-tips-getting-back-motorcycle-after-crash

[caspernz]

Explain then how someone can be taught to see around bends? One of my not at fault accidents was such an accident. Even if I did have the ability like you to see around bends it would have been little use in my situation as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge and there was nowhere to swerve anyway.

You're still missing the point. I'm merely using the vanishing point to judge correct speed, so as to not out ride my stopping distance. Not looking around the bend, merely the vanishing point. Don't get what that means? Try a Rideforever course, it's basic stuff.


Its impossible to plan for the potential screwups of others as they are the ones that set the distance and speed from you when they screw up and both can vary widely despite the common belief on here that there will always be time to avoid them. You said some weeks back on here you gave up group riding due to the screwups of others in your group. You could very well apply the same thinking to other motorists in general and give up riding completely as a result of their behaviour too could you not?

Not planning for the screw-ups of others is relying on lady luck. You've been talked to about hazard awareness, you just don't want to open your mind. Try a Rideforever course, it's basic as stuff, but it'll enlarge your awareness.


Do nothing to prevent it ... by not actively LOOKING for potential issues ... effectively means YOU let it happen.

Even I don't claim to ALWAYS have time to avoid them ... but usually time to reduce the severity of them.

Yeah well, it's that simple isn't it? But we're back to that open mind thing again aye? If one can open their mind to the possibility another road user may make a move, or an error as it may be, we can avoid the worst of it. Except cassina :rolleyes:


Think on this ... if you gave way to the oncoming vehicle ... the accident would not have happened. Thus ... your accident was totally preventable.

AND YOU ARE A FUCKWIT for letting it happen ...

You mean to say one may consider yielding the right of way in a self preservation approach? Oh heck, never! But yep, you've more or less summed it up. But yet again, it requires a modicum of hazard awareness, absent in cassina it seems.:rolleyes:

[FJRider]

In the news today. Three motorcycles involved in an accident. NO mention of any other (types of) vehicles ...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/99098635/two-people-airlifted-to-hospital-following-three-vehicle-crash-near-omarama

[EJK]

In the news today. Three motorcycles involved in an accident. NO mention of any other (types of) vehicles ...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/99098635/two-people-airlifted-to-hospital-following-three-vehicle-crash-near-omarama

Damn, they must'd been riding under pressure!

[FJRider]

Explain then how someone can be taught to see around bends? One of my not at fault accidents was such an accident. Even if I did have the ability like you to see around bends it would have been little use in my situation as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge and there was nowhere to swerve anyway.

If you ride around (blind) corners at such a speed you cannot stop ... within the clear distance of roadway ahead ... you are riding dangerously.

But you probably still think it wasn't your fault if you crashed.

The advised speed limit is only in regard to sharpness of the corner. Not an indication of visibility/safety through the turn.

In other words ... slow down.

[FJRider]

Damn, they must'd been riding under pressure!

Actually ... you might be closer to the truth than you think ..

[FJRider]

Yes totally preventable if the muppet that hit me had given way.

So ... your brakes didn't work because you had right of way ... ??

The Waiau bridge is 600 meters long. How long was the one YOU crashed on ... ??? and did you see that car coming .. ??? ;)

Totally preventable if YOU stayed at home. The KB consensus may even recommend it ... ;)

Which muppet are you ??? I'm guessing miss piggy ... :nya:

[nzspokes]

As I recall ... he was exiting the Waiau bridge in north Canterbury when a car entered the bridge without checking/giving way for oncoming traffic. TOTALLY preventable.

Whats the visibility like over it? Never been there.

[Graystone]

Whats the visibility like over it? Never been there.

Wasn't too good last time I went, it was raining cats and dogs though...

[FJRider]

You are the fuckwit as there is no way to give way on a one way bridge unless you can jump off or fly.

Don't enter one if the way isn't clear.

[FJRider]

Whats the visibility like over it? Never been there.

At the end he crashed ...

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-42.6551443,173.0367272,3a,60y,238.45h,81.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stafL_Fsaxuk9RmH5q9ysoA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

[caseye]

Lad's, please. It's neva gunna learn, doesn't want too, thinks you're all debating with it, meanwhile she's having a big shag thinking people on KB might like IT!
For Gaw'ds sake stop, let it die on the vine/road.

[FJRider]

The way was clear the muppet came around a bend at the end when I was near the end (his end not my end). You are deluded if you think there is a one size fits all to avoid the screw ups of others. It will take an accident that is the fault of someone else where you run out of time if they offer you any, to get away before you will understand

ONE solution to stop ALL your fuckups ... stay off the fucking road ...

[nzspokes]

At the end he crashed ...

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-42.6551443,173.0367272,3a,60y,238.45h,81.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stafL_Fsaxuk9RmH5q9ysoA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

LOL. :killingme

How could you not see something coming on that?:eek5:

Cheers for posting.

[flashg]

As I recall ... he was exiting the Waiau bridge in north Canterbury when a car entered the bridge without checking/giving way for oncoming traffic. TOTALLY preventable.You do realize a car could still be sitting in the township (you wouldn't see it) and leave while you're halfway across that bridge, and still come onto the bridge (you would have just seen him before he comes on) and take you out, before you got off the bridge ? Avoidable if the car gave way. Nowhere for a bike to go. Its a bridge I know well. Its a cunt heading north. You could give way to something thats not there, you'd die of old age. Its a bridge to be taken slowly especially as you near the north end.
Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I lived up there. Cassina has you so wound up, You're spouting shit.

[AllanB]

If all those not at fault stayed off the roads just maybe all those at fault would crash into one another and kill themselves off leaving safer roads for those not at fault to go back on them.

Reckon there is a T-shirt in that!

[caspernz]

On a brighter note, I just been out watering my garden, including my pot plants. Reminded me of KB...not sure why :brick::sweatdrop:eek5::lol::headbang::clap:

[granstar]

On a brighter note, I just been out watering my garden, including my pot plants. Reminded me of KB...not sure why :brick::sweatdrop:eek5::lol::headbang::clap:

Cactuses and pansies?

[Graystone]

At last someone with a brain who knows what a one way bridge is and how you cant swerve on them. Yes I was heading north and was lucky to have cleared the bridge prior to impact otherwise I could have been shunted off. I was in a line of traffic so my speed was controlled by it. This FJ Rider turkey is the second person on here to say I could have avoided the crash the other turkey I debated it with perhaps a year ago called himself an IAM's instructor who said I could have done something to avoid it but even he could not think up what. These turkeys need to get some "not at fault crash experience" before they will ever make any sense.

In such situation an emergency stop is warranted, I find it a good exercise to practice these in car parks or deserted roads. Thus when you need it, you can stop in time and avoided such accidents entirely, but more importantly, by avoiding the accident you would also avoid the argument about whose fault it was!

[granstar]

At last someone with a brain who knows what a one way bridge is and how you cant swerve on them. Yes I was heading north and was lucky to have cleared the bridge prior to impact otherwise I could have been shunted off. I was in a line of traffic so my speed was controlled by it. This FJ Rider turkey is the second person on here to say I could have avoided the crash the other turkey I debated it with perhaps a year ago called himself an IAM's instructor who said I could have done something to avoid it but even he could not think up what. These turkeys need to get some "not at fault crash experience" before they will ever make any sense.

Turkeys at this time of year should lay low http://archivalmoments.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/santa-turkey1.gif

[flashg]

In such situation an emergency stop is warranted, I find it a good exercise to practice these in car parks or deserted roads. Thus when you need it, you can stop in time and avoided such accidents entirely, but more importantly, by avoiding the accident you would also avoid the argument about whose fault it was!Are you serious ? Stop in front of the car ? You'd be lucky if you saw it in time. If he fails to give way, stopping won't save you, you're fucked. Impact would be less, so you're less fucked. Still fucked.
Keyboard warriors talking about stuff they have no idea about.
Go visit the bridge, then come back and tell all.

[Graystone]

Are you serious ? Stop in front of the car ? You'd be lucky if you saw it in time. If he fails to give way, stopping won't save you, you're fucked. Impact would be less, so you're less fucked. Still fucked.
Keyboard warriors talking about stuff they have no idea about.
Go visit the bridge, then come back and tell all.

Speed kills, so stopping is safe. Just do that.

[flashg]

Speed kills, so stopping is safe. Just do that.We are talking about a one way bridge, you stop, ( that halves the inpact) car doesn't, you're fucked, maybe half fucked. If I could draw a picture I would. Go visit the bridge and you'll know you haven't got a clue what you're typing about.

[eldog]

I would have been killed myself if I had been on a bike. I ended up going from a lowish sports coupe to a 4WD after that experience.
I tour in that mostly now.

whoa, whoa, stop. Can you clarify for us mere KBers

this bridge accident.

Where you or where you not the driver of a car? was it a bus? was it not a MOTORCYCLE?

[Akzle]

You are just as much a muppet as FJ Rider as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge (ever seen them?) and the guy coming around the bend thought it was 2 way. There was no time to emergency brake as he came around so fast. There was also no argument at the time as to whoes fault it was. Only muppets on here with no "not at fault" crash experience think it was both of our fault or only mine.

this is that crash where the vehicles in front of, and behind you, all managed to avoid crashing, but you didn't?
or is that a different crash?

you fuckwit.

[Graystone]

You are just as much a muppet as FJ Rider as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge (ever seen them?) and the guy coming around the bend thought it was 2 way. There was no time to emergency brake as he came around so fast. There was also no argument at the time as to whoes fault it was. Only muppets on here with no "not at fault" crash experience think it was both of our fault or only mine.

There is always time to brake. Fault is irrelevant.


We are talking about a one way bridge, you stop, ( that halves the inpact) car doesn't, you're fucked, maybe half fucked. If I could draw a picture I would. Go visit the bridge and you'll know you haven't got a clue what you're typing about.

Big sweeping right hander going into town there isn't it? I get that the bike can be obscured by the railings in that area, but there is no reason the oncoming car couldn't have been seen with enough time to stop, and yes that would have halved the impact, but it also give the at fault driver a lot more time to drop their speed. I'll go out on a limb and say old cassie was still carrying a lot of speed when it hit, probably more than the car.

[Graystone]

The bridge was not near a town. I was in a line of traffic so was at a speed controlled by the pace of that traffic which was not fast. The at fault driver may have had their vision obscured by vegetation which would have also obscured mine of him also. As I was carted away by ambulance I did not get to examine the scene for vision blocking vegitation though. I do remember looking at my headlight switch after impact and it was on so I had done my very best to make myself visable. For the next muppet that screws up in the same way into me I will hopefully be in my 4WD when it happens.

Did you try braking? It's a wonderful technique to avoid accidents.

[flashg]

There is always time to brake. Fault is irrelevant.



Big sweeping right hander going into town there isn't it? I get that the bike can be obscured by the railings in that area, but there is no reason the oncoming car couldn't have been seen with enough time to stop, and yes that would have halved the impact, but it also give the at fault driver a lot more time to drop their speed. I'll go out on a limb and say old cassie was still carrying a lot of speed when it hit, probably more than the car.The road drops quite a lot once you're off the bridge, you'd see him before he sees you. Its an uphill left hand sweeper for him. He can see fuck all till he gets there. If he was a local it shouldn't have happened. Plenty of non locals use that road. Heading north it puts you on the inland road to Kaikoura or the leader road back to SH1.

[flashg]

Did you try braking? It's a wonderful technique to avoid accidents.Won't avoid all accidents.
You're a fuckwit.

[Graystone]

Won't avoid all accidents.
You're a fuckwit.

It'll avoid more with such a technique though.
Just relax.

[flashg]

It'll avoid more with such a technique though.
Just relax.Sorry, was winding myself up, don't know why. Might go make my lunch.

[flashg]

I think you may have the wrong bridge as it was on SH1 about 15 min south of Cheviot. The bend was an uphill right hand one going north which was the way I was going. I remember reading a news story about a year ago that the local residents in the area wanted it made 2 way due to the number of crashes and that it was SH1. So the muppet that hit me was not alone in mistaking it for a 2 lane bridge. The National Govt if I remember correctly decided for whatever reason not to make it 2 lane.I wasn't responding to your accident.
I was responding to the accident that FJ Rider was talking about on the Waiau bridge, its an old bridge, if you've been up there you'd know it.

[rastuscat]

Can I join in?

Yer all ****wits.

[eldog]

whoa, whoa, stop. Can you clarify for us mere KBers

this bridge accident.

Where you or where you not the driver of a car? was it a bus? was it not a MOTORCYCLE?

CASSINA why don't you answer the question? :argh:


I suspect you were travelling at a reasonable pace, the car in front suddenly veered off, then an on coming car appeared in front of your VEHICLE, pretty simple really.

But once again, being in the right (or legally right) position doesn't make it safe :brick:

[AllanB]

Sorry, was winding myself up, don't know why. Might go make my lunch.

Mmmmm whats for lunch?

[flashg]

Mmmmm whats for lunch?Ham and tomato sandwiches, kiwifruit, banana, orange. And two (yummy) xmas fruit mince pies. Don't worry I don't have a cushy job, I'll burn it off.

[granstar]

Can I join in?

Yer all ****wits.

But I'm not a complete f***wit, I have bits missing. Someone mention lunch :chase:

[awayatc]

Can I join in?

Yer all ****wits.

Expert opinion......?

[AllanB]

Ham and tomato sandwiches, kiwifruit, banana, orange. And two (yummy) xmas fruit mince pies. Don't worry I don't have a cushy job, I'll burn it off.

Dam - now I want some fruit mince pies ....

[eldog]

It will be hopefully safer for me next time though if I am in my 4WD and a muppet decides to screw up into me. Who knows you or one of the other muppets on here maybe that muppet!!

Still didn’t answer question.

so why do we bother?

shits and giggles?


so it was a CAR lowish coupe

[eldog]

Mmmmm whats for lunch?
I know what’s for tea.

pizza, sausage roll and mince pie.

i am having it now......

[T.W.R]

I note one of the muppets on here attacking you on here this morning Rastus for taking your riding school class over Gebbies Pass but I do remember you saying you only took experienced riders so I dont know what their hang up is.

You need reading lessons along with a host of disorder treatments :weird:
There wasn't any attack only the pissy response to an observation & knowledge of what goes on around there during the course of a day particularly during the likes of last weekend with what was happening it the city itself; the attitude of the retort wasn't warranted to what was was pointed out.
The harp about having a bunch of throttle jockeys dicing them up in dangerous fashion was founded but being told "well what else did you expect" hit something raw; If he couldn't respond with some decency the issue is in his court.
Some of us have been doing miles over all the peninsula roads for decades and know pretty much all the shit it can throw up and when & where to keep clear of. Shit the 1st ever motorcycle crash I ever saw up close was on Gebbies in late 79 (shiney new GS1000S punched flatout into the hill) & probably the exact spot where Rastus got diced

[Akzle]

You are another fuckwit who has not heard of/seen a one way bridge. There is nowhere to swerve on them unless you want to go off. The driver in front would have had room to swerve as they were further off the bridge than me where it splits into 2 lanes and the driver behind was lucky with their following distance I guess.

your right fuckwit. i've never heard of a one way bridge <_< (that's sarcasm. you're a fuckwit)

and i'll let you in on a little secret, following distance isn't about luck, and is entirely within your control. you're a fuckwit.

but i guess you were under a lot of pressure to keep up with traffic.


you're a fuckwit.

[Akzle]

I notice he has departed this debate now. He has either gone to bed or has started some research on how in NZ there can be bridges where there is nowhere to escape a head on collision.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

It will be hopefully safer for me next time though if I am in my 4WD and a muppet decides to screw up into me. Who knows you or one of the other muppets on here maybe that muppet!!

you're a fuckwit

[granstar]

:facepalm:

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/media/question-images/one-lane-bridge-sign.jpg

The white arrow indicates the direction of traffic that has right of way, you know that ( if you don't re-0sit the driving test.

However you must respect all oncoming, be it someone speeding, a blind corner with a bridge, etc.

Bet there a few here that have not met motorists that simply do not understand the signs ( as well "Give Way", and "Stop")...either way... approach with caution aka defensive driving/ riding carefully/riding to the conditions saving your arse to ride another day. If not prepared for that sell yer bike.

[eldog]

:facepalm:

The white arrow indicates the direction of traffic that has right of way, you know that ( if you don't re-0sit the driving test.

However you must respect all oncoming, be it someone speeding, a blind corner with a bridge, etc.

Bet there a few here that have not met motorists that simply do not understand the signs ( as well "Give Way", and "Stop")...either way... approach with caution aka defensive driving/ riding carefully/riding to the conditions saving your arse to ride another day. If not prepared for that sell yer bike.

I would like to see an additional sign on the bridge or very close to it
Some of the signs are too far away from the obstacle IMHO

[Honest Andy]

Dam - now I want some fruit mince pies ....

Mmmmm pies......

[rastuscat]

Mmmmm pies......

You're missing the point.

It's "Mmm mmm........donuts"

[awayatc]

I would like to see an additional sign on the bridge or very close to it
Some of the signs are too far away from the obstacle IMHO

I beg to differ....

Because in general there is such an overload of signs one tends to not see them anymore.

Maybe if we removed the vast majority of signs and leave only the real important ones .......we would pay attention to them

[eldog]

I beg to differ....

Because in general there is such an overload of signs one tends to not see them anymore.

Maybe if we removed the vast majority of signs and leave only the real important ones .......we would pay attention to them

Very true. Just want it closer to object identified.

Same about hi vis everything

Common sense and observation skills need to improve.

If it's bigger than you and/or coming downhill toward you stop or give way or move over

[Akzle]

So maybe if I had tailgated the car in front the muppet that hit me would have no gap to squeeze into but if he had hit the car in front head on instead of me I would have rear ended it. This was an accident that no one could have swerved out of as one way bridges have barriers on the entry and exit. Maybe when you do your next riding school class you could ask the instructor what he would do in the same situation. I have read on here the thing to do when facing a head on collision is to try and throw yourself over the top if on a bike. All the best doing that fuckwit yourself!!

you're a fuckwit

[T.W.R]

I have read on here the thing to do when facing a head on collision is to try and throw yourself over the top if on a bike. All the best doing that fuckwit yourself!!

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292416&d=1389695577

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292417&d=1389695592

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292418&d=1389695730



Part of a safety booklet for learners produced by ACC in the 70s and compiled & edited by Mike Hailwood but I'm sure you'll poo-hoo that :pinch:

[Voltaire]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uiQNCJtRb3Q/VWyEd04c-fI/AAAAAAAADUs/OMkQITx60ew/s1600/Cookie%2BMonster%2BHelmet%2BCover.JPG

" and then this dog ran out in front of me"

[Night Falcon]

stick men form the 70's showing us how its done....eat ya heart out pack n save

[Honest Andy]

Haha listened to this at full volume today, and couldn't help thinking "vote axzle"


https://youtu.be/HnQ5k9UpnNI

It'd be the last we heard of cass that's for sure :clap:

[FJRider]

whoa, whoa, stop. Can you clarify for us mere KBers

this bridge accident.

Where you or where you not the driver of a car? was it a bus? was it not a MOTORCYCLE?

This is her bridge I think ...

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-42.898275,173.0974058,3a,60y,72.33h,96.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfuZOeEr6H7_E0kh_5b9JGg!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

[Honest Andy]

This is her bridge I think ...

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-42.898275,173.0974058,3a,60y,72.33h,96.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfuZOeEr6H7_E0kh_5b9JGg!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

C'mon, it wouldn't have mattered if it was this bridge!https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kxqzfO7mu3A/maxresdefault.jpg

[Akzle]

Spot on. The point of impact was just a little past the sign on the left at the end, on the road. Note the vegitation which would limit the view of anyone approaching/coming off untill the last minute. Whether there was more/less vegitation there at the time I was hit I would not know.

Now you have spooked everyone on here into thinking of my crash everytime they cross it!! Anyone keen to ride it and wishing to avoid coming to grief better do it before Dec 15 when SH1 up to Blenheim opens fully, only during the day though.

you're a fuckwit

[Scuba_Steve]

With a bit of luck you will experience the same "not at fault" crash as I did if you cross that bridge fuckwit. Then I bet you will never call me fuckwit again

Hey good payback if you win, current odds are 760:1

[FJRider]

With a bit of luck you will experience the same "not at fault" crash as I did if you cross that bridge fuckwit. Then I bet you will never call me fuckwit again

I'll take that bet ... <_<

[FJRider]

Spot on. The point of impact was just a little past the sign on the left at the end, on the road. Note the vegitation which would limit the view of anyone approaching/coming off untill the last minute. Whether there was more/less vegitation there at the time I was hit I would not know.

Now you have spooked everyone on here into thinking of my crash everytime they cross it!! Anyone keen to ride it and wishing to avoid coming to grief better do it before Dec 15 when SH1 up to Blenheim opens fully, only during the day though.

More like ... they'll think about it and laugh ... ;)

[FJRider]

I guess the same riders would laugh when they see warning signs about areas of frequent crashes eg the Crown Range Rd.

I used to drive past those signs many times a day ... usually the first sharp corner outside a 50 km/hr zone ... ;)

[Honest Andy]

I'll take that bet ... <_<

forget it, no one will take those odds

[granstar]

I would like to see an additional sign on the bridge or very close to it
Some of the signs are too far away from the obstacle IMHO

Same with passing lane exits, more info to show motorists the lanes are about to merge so to make a safe pass, back off, allow flow without all this inconsiderate road rage shit and near misses. Maybe the Police Minister should go for a drive someday.

[granstar]

So maybe if I had tailgated the car in front the muppet that hit me would have no gap to squeeze into but if he had hit the car in front head on instead of me I would have rear ended it. This was an accident that no one could have swerved out of as one way bridges have barriers on the entry and exit. Maybe when you do your next riding school class you could ask the instructor what he would do in the same situation. I have read on here the thing to do when facing a head on collision is to try and throw yourself over the top if on a bike. All the best doing that fuckwit yourself!!

Can't you swim?

[granstar]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292416&d=1389695577

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292417&d=1389695592

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292418&d=1389695730



Part of a safety booklet for learners produced by ACC in the 70s and compiled & edited by Mike Hailwood but I'm sure you'll poo-hoo that :pinch:

Agree, stand up. ( Also shares this again as it makes good sense, saved a mate of mine who had a car U turn on him).

[granstar]

There is another technique which I think did actually work for someone in that they dropped the bike side on which was towards a truck, in that case and threw themselves over the side of a bridge they were on but it could be towards the side of the road too. Only the bike made impact with the truck as it spun towards it. A better option maybe. Still a lot of luck involved.

Only going to happen on a speedway track, out of curtesy dump the bike. 4 leaf clovers BS when yer gonna die, yer gonna die, reduce the odds by riding defensively.

Crown Range a great ride, as long as you ride to the conditions, often grit on roads, tourists (center of road, side of road, too busy rubbernecking), if you crash on it you are a fuckwit, a dead fuckwit.