"Kiwi jihadi" feels "stabbed in the back"... [Archive]

PrincessBandit

7th March 2019, 16:53

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111089459/mark-taylor-the-kiwi-jihadi-feels-stabbed-in-the-back-by-nz--report

Oh how I rofl'ed over this article. The ironing was so strong I nearly starched'n'steamed myself.

Considering he seemed so blase about beheadings perhaps he would prefer to feel "beheaded" rather than just "stabbed in the back" by our government?

I can't help but wonder if the nuts and bolts he obviously has lose in his head contribute to his rather bizarre reaction to no-one rushing over to rescue him from the horrible prison he is in at the moment. Is he really that simple minded that he can't see for himself how :facepalm: his whole "I wanted to do this but I haven't become the almighty warrior for Allah with all my attendant virgins (if I die) and slaves (if I live) so I want to come home now" appears?

reasonable

7th March 2019, 17:00

Solution ....SAS...1 bullet

sidecar bob

7th March 2019, 17:14

He's "Gullible with a sense of entitlement" apparently. Clearly a Labour voter.

Katman

7th March 2019, 17:19

He's "Gullible with a sense of entitlement" apparently. Clearly a Labour voter.

Wow......

.......just, wow.

sidecar bob

7th March 2019, 18:06

Wow......

.......just, wow.

Go ahead, I'm clearly a bit thick, not being entitled to a benefit or govt handouts & all.
Although I have been entitled to pay a pile of tax to prop up the entitled over the last few decades.
Exactly what am I missing? I know all you lefties are having a chuckle about something you've managed to convince yourselves about. Can you share the joke so I can have a wee chuckle too?

Katman

7th March 2019, 18:11

I'm clearly a bit thick

You're under estimating yourself.

Laava

7th March 2019, 18:22

Laava

7th March 2019, 18:24

Wow......

.......just, wow.

Stop fawning over Bob, you are making him all uncomfortable.

sidecar bob

7th March 2019, 18:39

Have to agree with Sidecar Bob, he is a gullible twat! Maybe he should stay in Syria for a bit and think about that...

I didn't say that, the 6:00pm news said that. I just agreed.

Oakie

7th March 2019, 18:53

We've stabbbed him in the back metaphorically but he encouraged people to actually stab Kiwis for real on ANZAC Day ... and now he feels hard done by?! The irony just drips off this.

husaberg

7th March 2019, 18:53

He's "Gullible with a sense of entitlement" apparently. Clearly a Labour voter.
Thats pretty funny.
The fact he believes in fairy tales and sky pixies pegs him as a National voter.Jihadist joe could even replace Simon as National leader. Does he have a blue suit?

Bridges' father was a Baptist minister and he is a practicing Christian. Bridges said he voted in line with his Christian values,

Bill English is a practising Roman Catholic,

2008 Key stated that he attended church frequently with his children

Jenny Shipley SHipley states her religion is importasnt to her and Here father was a parson.

Jim Bolger was born into an Irish Catholic family and like the national party has opposed bills on religious grounds

plus we all know where the betheren Church stand with National

sidecar bob

7th March 2019, 18:58

Thats pretty funny.
The fact he believes in fairy tales and sky pixies pegs him as a National voter.Jihadist joe could even replace Simon as National leader. Does he have a blue suit?

plus we all know where the betheren Church stand with National

Regardless of your unarguable facts, the bumbling Jihadi should have thought of the consequences of his actions before he chummed up with a bunch of munters.
No sympathy from the my corner.

husaberg

7th March 2019, 19:09

Regardless of your unarguable facts, the bumbling Jihadi should have thought of the consequences of his actions before he chummed up with a bunch of munters.
No sympathy from the my corner.

Sorry i am with his mother on this one Leave poor Simon bridges alone, he just fell in with the wrong crowd. Hes just a naughty boy.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12145958
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/simon-bridges-mum-says-he-wasn-t-brought-up-to-swear.html

mashman

7th March 2019, 19:25

Go ahead, I'm clearly a bit thick, not being entitled to a benefit or govt handouts & all.
Although I have been entitled to pay a pile of tax to prop up the entitled over the last few decades.

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.

husaberg

7th March 2019, 19:34

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.

Isnt one of the questions they ask on the forms you fill in on the plane prior to arrival have you been part of a terrorist organisation?

sidecar bob

7th March 2019, 19:39

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.

Yeah, Because that's what ISIS is all about isint it? Great bunch of blokes fighting for freedom.:facepalm:

Laava

7th March 2019, 19:42

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.
The fact that he openly and deliberately burnt his passport puts him beyond the sympathy vote for me. The Kurds will look after him.
NZ's own Lord HeeHaw

Laava

7th March 2019, 19:44

Isnt one of the questions they ask on the forms you fill in on the plane prior to arrival have you been part of a terrorist organisation?
That, and have you got any fruit?

TheDemonLord

7th March 2019, 20:09

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.

I'm oh so tempted to post some of the videos that exist on the Internet of what ISIS do...

Stoning Women to Death for having the Audacity to allow themselves to get Raped.
Beheading innocent people.
Throwing Gay people off of Buildings.
Running people over with tanks (the Painful way, slowly).
Wiring people with explosive Collars (made out of Detcord), setting them off.
Burning them Alive.
Pilling them on explosive ordnance and setting it off.
Not to mention keeping women as Sex Slaves, in conditions I wouldn't wish upon even them.

I dare anyone who has the gall to defend ISIS and what it is, to go off, watch the videos of them Executing people - watch the glee and happiness they have with deliberately inflicting a torturous death - Go on, I'll wait, they aren't that difficult to find and ISIS aren't shy about posting them.

Watch that and tell me they are just fighting for freedom.

Then after that, consider this: The person is okay with all of the above happening (I haven't seen him issue a statement saying he condemns all that ISIS is) - Does someone like that have any place in NZ society?

mashman

7th March 2019, 20:11

Yeah, Because that's what ISIS is all about isint it? Great bunch of blokes fighting for freedom.:facepalm:

He was in Syria. Who was he going to kill in Syria? Who from the West was allowed into Syria? Was it that ISIS were pushing regime change as they were trying to remove Assad... which just so happens to be a goal of the west. Go figure. ISIS are funded and trained and provided intelligence by the "western" alliance. With no "western army" allowed in Syria without the threat of war on an even larger scale, what better way to push regime change but to send in yer proxies.

Great bunch of blokes the west... always fighting for their freedom in other people's countries whilst killing and displacing far more people than would have been killed or displaced had they just kept their fuckin' noses our of it. Yeah, squeaky clean the west.

husaberg

7th March 2019, 20:16

He was in Syria. Who was he going to kill in Syria? Who from the West was allowed into Syria? Was it that ISIS were pushing regime change as they were trying to remove Assad... which just so happens to be a goal of the west. Go figure. ISIS are funded and trained and provided intelligence by the "western" alliance. With no "western army" allowed in Syria without the threat of war on an even larger scale, what better way to push regime change but to send in yer proxies.

Great bunch of blokes the west... always fighting for their freedom in other people's countries whilst killing and displacing far more people than would have been killed or displaced had they just kept their fuckin' noses our of it. Yeah, squeaky clean the west.

Both sides are as bad as each other both sides claim to have the better most glamorous and most bedazzled sky pixie as well.

A COI report on March 15 said Syrian government forces and allied militias had raped and sexually assaulted women, girls and men in a campaign to punish opposition communities - acts that constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity.Led by Paulo Pinheiro, the COI has accused Syrian government forces of committing war crimes and potentially crimes against humanity, including mass executions, and some opposition groups of international crimes such as murder and torture.Marchi-Uhel’s team said its work would proceed independently of any Syrian peace process and be based on the principle that no amnesty can be granted for “core international crimes”.
he Syrian government has launched numerous chemical weapons attacks on civilians in opposition-held areas. With Russia and Iran’s support, the Syrian government has conducted deliberate and indiscriminate attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure, withheld humanitarian aid, employed starvation as war tactic, and forcibly displaced Syrians in contravention of international law. The Syrian government’s practices of torture and ill-treatment in detention and enforced disappearances continue.
Non-state armed groups have also committed a host of violations. The groups have launched deliberate and indiscriminate attacks against civilians, abducted, and arbitrarily detained activists, used excessive force to stifle protests and interfered with humanitarian aid delivery. ISIS has reportedly used civilians as human shields, and employed landmines and other IEDs causing significant harm to civilians and civilian infrastructure.
The Syrian government regained control over opposition-held parts of Aleppo at the end of 2016. In their operation, the Russian-Syrian military coalition conducted indiscriminate air attacks, including strikes on several medical facilities, and used incendiary weapons and cluster munitions. The Violations Documentation Center (VDC), a local monitoring group, documented the killing of 446 civilians, including 91 children, in aerial attacks in eastern Aleppo between September 19 and October 18.
While the number of civilian deaths in Southern Syria decreased following local ceasefire agreements, unlawful attacks persisted. In June, for example, Russian-Syrian airstrikes and artillery attacks targeted the town of Tafas, south of Daraa, killing 10 civilians in and near a school.
In September, the Russian-Syrian Joint Military Operation launched an offensive on Idlib province. Airstrikes targeted several towns and surrounding areas in the province, destroying at least six hospitals and five civil defense centers, resulting in the death of over 150 civilians, according to the Syrian Civil Defense.

TheDemonLord

7th March 2019, 20:16

mashman

7th March 2019, 20:17

The fact that he openly and deliberately burnt his passport puts him beyond the sympathy vote for me. The Kurds will look after him.
NZ's own Lord HeeHaw

Fo shizzle burning his passport was a pretty dumb arsed move, as was going to fight for the west, but hey, tens of millions have done the same over the years. If ISIS would have won and dethroned Assad, ya have to wonder if he would have been welcomed home as a hero lol.

Katman

7th March 2019, 20:22

It's just objectively better than ISIS.

Tell that to the villagers of My Lai.

HenryDorsetCase

7th March 2019, 22:03

ISIS and/or Daesh and/or IS can't be redeemed by the "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" trope. They are literally indefensible.

As for Mr Johnson, well, I am conflicted about that. He seems a couple of sammiches (ham and cheese, thanks) short of a picnic, but I dont understand the utter glee some people are taking in his troubles. I also love how people aren't questioning "the MSM" in their coverage of this story because it suits a certain agenda. I think if someone underwrote the costs of getting him home (his parents and/or the friends and family at his mosque) then he should be brought back, and then face the consequences of being a fucking terrorist by joining a terrorist organisation. I am quite a fan of the rule of law so that should do for starters.

jasonu

8th March 2019, 03:20

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.

Can you pay for his flights and put him up in your house until he gets enough bennies and his very own state house.

jasonu

8th March 2019, 03:25

then he should be brought back, and then face the consequences of being a fucking terrorist by joining a terrorist organisation.

In NZ he would get a few months home detention followed by a life time of dole and a state house.

sidecar bob

8th March 2019, 03:59

Through this news story Im mainly a bit disappointed to discover that my wife is probably only worth about four grand. I always pegged her more in the 10k bracket, what with the fantastic housekeeping & great personal hygiene.
Sounds like John thought a company wife was part of the deal & was very dissapointed when they didn't come through, so he's quit.
Gotta be careful installing friends 2.0, it can frequently cause friends 1.0 to crash & make it impossible to re install, rendering the device inoperable.

JimO

8th March 2019, 05:18

Thats pretty funny.
The fact he believes in fairy tales and sky pixies pegs him as a National voter.

na thats anyone who thinks ardern is doing a good job

mashman

8th March 2019, 06:42

Can you pay for his flights and put him up in your house until he gets enough bennies and his very own state house.

We probably will, just like the US, the UK, France, Germany etc... will take theirs back.

Voltaire

8th March 2019, 08:09

He just needs to follow this link.

https://www.passports.govt.nz/

I applied for a new Passport last week, its $191.00

If you have the original Passport details and a phone takes about 15 minutes.

Nicky Hagar might sponsor him for a new book.

pritch

8th March 2019, 08:10

Me too...... 'cept I don't feel entitled enough to deny someone his home after fighting for someone else's freedom overseas.

Shit oh dear! That one came out of left field.

For once the government have got it right. He went there, he burned his passport, he joined DAESH. He's on his own.

He doesn't really want to come home, he's disappointed that the government won't fly him to Indonesia. If he gets to Turkey, or anywhere else there's a New Zealand representative, they'll give him travel documents to replace his passport. No mention of tickets. Good.

His interview very much gives the impression that he's almost borderline intellectually handicapped. His immediate future is somewhat perilous. The Kurds don't have the resources to keep masses of former DAESH fighters locked up, and they can't just let them go. It's not just the fighters either, the women who held on until the end are true believers and no country will want them back.

I guess it will come to be considered a "refugee" situation, but there's a lot more deserving refugees than those arseholes.

sidecar bob

8th March 2019, 08:19

pritch

8th March 2019, 09:19

For those who don't often feel the need to type 'tl:dr' - the full interview.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/transcript-new-zealand-s-most-notorious-isis-militant-on-slavery-executions-and-citizenship-1.833680

HenryDorsetCase

8th March 2019, 09:47

na thats anyone who thinks ardern is doing a good job

I think she's doing a great job. So you can get fucked. Thanks for shopping at kiwi biker.

HenryDorsetCase

8th March 2019, 09:50

So all he needs to do is log on & click the link?
He really is a dumbarse then.

Yep, they'll courier his new passport to the SDF run Kurdish prison he's in, they'll see the massive error of their ways, and say "Oh you're a kiwi? we love fucking sheep and rugby too!" and they will get him a convoy from Syria into Turkey, drop him off at the door of the NZ Consulate in Turkey, and then all he has to do is roll his visa card, and get on the next plane. It's just as easy as that.

husaberg

8th March 2019, 11:17

na thats anyone who thinks ardern is doing a good job

Of Course as well as believing in Sky pixies John Key and National were clearly heaps better at managing an economy than any labour government would.
Or maybe not.
Clark's fifth Labour Government reduced debt from 22.6 per cent of GDP in 2000 to 5.5 per cent in 2008.
During Key's National Government, debt as a percentage of GDP went from 9.1 per cent in 2009 to 24.6 per cent in 2016.
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Anyway hows that Simon burnt bridges doing.

mashman

8th March 2019, 11:31

Shit oh dear! That one came out of left field.

For once the government have got it right. He went there, he burned his passport, he joined DAESH. He's on his own.

He doesn't really want to come home, he's disappointed that the government won't fly him to Indonesia. If he gets to Turkey, or anywhere else there's a New Zealand representative, they'll give him travel documents to replace his passport. No mention of tickets. Good.

His interview very much gives the impression that he's almost borderline intellectually handicapped. His immediate future is somewhat perilous. The Kurds don't have the resources to keep masses of former DAESH fighters locked up, and they can't just let them go. It's not just the fighters either, the women who held on until the end are true believers and no country will want them back.

I guess it will come to be considered a "refugee" situation, but there's a lot more deserving refugees than those arseholes.

What came out of left-field?

Indeed. The whole thing is a basket case, coz oil and military industrial complex. Nought much harder than that really. It's happened an awful lot in the East for a very long time to be anything other than that really. Everything else is politics created for the masses to play judge judy and executioner and to gain a mandate to keep torturing people around the world with impunity.

Not sure how "For once the government have got it right ... He's on his own." reconciles with, "and they can't just let them go" ;)... but hey, the hypocrisy of the whole thing is kind of amusing.

Laava

8th March 2019, 12:52

We probably will, just like the US, the UK, France, Germany etc... will take theirs back.
Keep up bro...
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/19/uk/shamima-begum-british-citizenship-gbr-intl/index.html

pritch

8th March 2019, 12:53

What came out of left-field?

Your views, which are very ummm half arsed. Not completely wrong but a long way from being right.

Not sure how "For once the government have got it right ... He's on his own." reconciles with, "and they can't just let them go" ;)... but hey, the hypocrisy of the whole thing is kind of amusing.

DAESH were nothing about freedom. They were about speading their very twisted version of Islam, taking over as much territory as they could, and establishing a caliphate. DAESH were murderous bastards and the Kurds should probably just have executed the lot of them, that's what they would have done to the Kurds.

Some may still be executed but the Kurds don't have a court system. Assad does though, they'd get short shrift from him.

The Bumbling Jihadi is on his own, he put himself in that situation, he can get himself out. The Kurds can't just let thousands of prisoners go because they are terrorists, that shouldn't be difficult to understand.

Grumph

8th March 2019, 12:53

What I find slightly ironic is that by surviving, he's lost. If he'd died in the service of the Caliphate, he'd have had all the promised afterlife - incl virgins...

But by surviving on a losing side, he's got nothing. At least after WW1 and 2, the repatriated POW's got some sort of welcome and honour.

I don't want him back - but if he manages it, it's prison at our expense. Again ironic...

sidecar bob

8th March 2019, 13:06

What I find slightly ironic is that by surviving, he's lost. If he'd died in the service of the Caliphate, he'd have had all the promised afterlife - incl virgins....

Two problems there. Virgins probably arent as much fun as single mums, and well. . . .theyre only virgins once, then what?

mashman

8th March 2019, 13:33

Your views, which are very ummm half arsed. Not completely wrong but a long way from being right.

So the truth is a long way from right eh... who knew........

DAESH were nothing about freedom. They were about speading their very twisted version of Islam, taking over as much territory as they could, and establishing a caliphate. DAESH were murderous bastards and the Kurds should probably just have executed the lot of them, that's what they would have done to the Kurds.

Some may still be executed but the Kurds don't have a court system. Assad does though, they'd get short shrift from him.

The Bumbling Jihadi is on his own, he put himself in that situation, he can get himself out. The Kurds can't just let thousands of prisoners go because they are terrorists, that shouldn't be difficult to understand.

And no western countries do that sort of thing. The hypocrisy is astounding. We didn't go to give them freedom. We went to take their resources and instill enough fear that the only outcome was likely that more muslims would join ISIL. It's all the wests doing. From the day Kissinger said that there could be no peace through dialogue in the middle east (back in the 70's) in response to Assad's dad saying that peace could be had through dialogue, to modern day. Resource rape and war and all in the name of introducing democracy and banks for oil. Viewing what's going on without taking that into consideration is just dumb. The west are getting everything they sewed the seeds to get over 100 years ago.

TheDemonLord

8th March 2019, 13:34

Your views, which are very ummm half arsed. Not completely wrong but a long way from being right.

DAESH were nothing about freedom. They were about speading their very twisted version of Islam, taking over as much territory as they could, and establishing a caliphate. DAESH were murderous bastards and the Kurds should probably just have executed the lot of them, that's what they would have done to the Kurds.

Some may still be executed but the Kurds don't have a court system. Assad does though, they'd get short shrift from him.

The Bumbling Jihadi is on his own, he put himself in that situation, he can get himself out. The Kurds can't just let thousands of prisoners go because they are terrorists, that shouldn't be difficult to understand.

Careful, you are starting to sound like Tommy Robinson...

mashman

8th March 2019, 13:35

Keep up bro...
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/19/uk/shamima-begum-british-citizenship-gbr-intl/index.html

Something new to feed the frenzy eh. That thousands have already returned to where they came from obviously doesn't matter You guys are fucked when they bring in economic terrorism laws to fight tax avoidance :shifty:

pritch

8th March 2019, 13:38

We didn't go to give them freedom. We went to take their resources and instill enough fear that the only outcome was likely that more muslims would join ISIL.

Whadya mean 'we'?

mashman

8th March 2019, 13:43

Whadya mean 'we'?

Your opinions are now invalid.

jasonu

8th March 2019, 14:49

We probably will, just like the US, the UK, France, Germany etc... will take theirs back.

Good luck to someone like that trying to get into the US...

jasonu

8th March 2019, 14:51

I think she's doing a great job. So you can get fucked. Thanks for shopping at kiwi biker.

You are one of the few.
Serious question. What do you think she has done that is so great?

Swoop

8th March 2019, 15:00

Taylor?
Fuck him. Give him a bacon butty and then a bullet.

I think she's doing a great job...
At fucking up the country? A: Yes.
A more facile "all simles, no substance" marxist would be hard to find.
It seems her marxist role model Heilen Klerke is happy to help though.

husaberg

8th March 2019, 15:05

Good luck to someone like that trying to get into the US...

Dude clearly without a wall he would just walk on in.:psst:

You are one of the few.
Serious question. What do you think she has done that is so great?

Put national out of Power.
She hasnt minced up a catwalk or made an arse of herself with a three handed handshake.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news/174090/eight_col_john-key-model-o.gif?1541471076https://thespinoff.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/3wayhandshakekey.gif
She hasn't forgot a 450 text messages.https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336331/peters-claims-pm-sent-southland-staffer-hundreds-of-texts
Or tried to sell a MP position to a token Asian for 100K either. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107949685/wanna-choose-a-national-party-mp-this-auction-is-for-you
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/s/9/q/t/v/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.710x400. 1s9qid.png/1539898757879.jpg
She hasnt sold of state owned assets for less than their worth https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/285835/have-asset-sale-funds-gone-where-promised
She hasn't subsidized Rio TInto Millions.http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9723448/30m-subsidy-not-a-major-outlay

jellywrestler

8th March 2019, 15:52

Through this news story Im mainly a bit disappointed to discover that my wife is probably only worth about four grand.

depreciation ?

sidecar bob

8th March 2019, 16:03

depreciation ?

You can claim that shit ya know.

HenryDorsetCase

8th March 2019, 16:12

You are one of the few.
Serious question. What do you think she has done that is so great?

She produced the First Baby, for one thing.

HenryDorsetCase

8th March 2019, 16:14

You can claim that shit ya know.

isn't it one of the things that's ring fenced under the CGT?

Laava

8th March 2019, 16:23

Something new to feed the frenzy eh. That thousands have already returned to where they came from obviously doesn't matter You guys are fucked when they bring in economic terrorism laws to fight tax avoidance :shifty:
Giddy up! Gish gallop

mashman

8th March 2019, 17:01

Giddy up! Gish gallop

Oh I see, you're another one of those dumb projectionists. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41734069)

Mate, yer cognitive dissonance is showing.

FJRider

8th March 2019, 17:13

Tell that to the villagers of My Lai.

Was that incident the result of US military policy and tactics ... or an individual member of a US military unit's ... personal decision ???

mashman

8th March 2019, 17:15

Good luck to someone like that trying to get into the US...

General John Kelly seems to think it'll be a piece of piss (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/12/islamic-state-could-infiltrate-united-states-through-caribbean-general-says/?utm_term=.23345dca47c6)

Katman

8th March 2019, 17:19

Was that incident the result of US military policy and tactics ... or an individual member of a US military unit's ... personal decision ???

The subsequent cover-up could well be viewed as US military policy and tactics.

JimO

8th March 2019, 18:13

I think she's doing a great job. So you can get fucked. Thanks for shopping at kiwi biker. what jobs that then? cant be PM, is it princess of the photo op? telling porkies? murdering the english language?

husaberg

8th March 2019, 18:38

murdering the english language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU77jTpaMSo
https://www.facebook.com/tomsainsbury6/videos/477816879282967/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ETRekIujpI
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/watch-winston-peters-savages-stressed-nervous-simon-bridges-in-parliament-roast.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEsXf9lPw5I

Breaking News
Bridges joining Collins in leadership contest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XswsCF9m2WU

pete376403

8th March 2019, 18:40

The Kurds don't have the resources to keep masses of former DAESH fighters locked up, and they can't just let them go. .

If they were to "attempt to escape" and got shot in the process, that could solve a few problems.

Laava

8th March 2019, 18:47

Oh I see, you're another one of those dumb projectionists. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41734069)

Mate, yer cognitive dissonance is showing.
No. You said;
the US, the UK, France, Germany etc... will take theirs back.
I pointed out that this case was the opposite of what you said.
you spat the dummy a bit.
Looks like I might have to call you the wahmbulance.
Are you on the synth?

pritch

8th March 2019, 20:56

General John Kelly seems to think it'll be a piece of piss (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/12/islamic-state-could-infiltrate-united-states-through-caribbean-general-says/?utm_term=.23345dca47c6)

We can completely discount that. He was just trying to back up his mentally unstable boss. Anyway he's at least woken up enough to leave that shit show now, and he left over the southern border...

Most illegal immigrants in the US arrive at airports and overstay their visa. Like f'rinstance Melania Trump.

Meanwhile back on topic.

husaberg

8th March 2019, 21:51

The subsequent cover-up could well be viewed as US military policy and tactics.

"Could" doesn't even indicate that you feel with any degree of probability that your own stated opinion is likely true.
If you wish to to convince someone of the validity of your idea using evidence stronger then" could" will be required by people that are not conspiracy theorists

Katman

9th March 2019, 09:12

"Could" doesn't even indicate that you feel with any degree of probability that your own stated opinion is likely true.

You just can't get enough of me, can you?

HenryDorsetCase

9th March 2019, 10:11

The subsequent cover-up could well be viewed as US military policy and tactics.

I think you will find it happened in 1968 and was public in 1969. And there were courts martial and so forth. Fuck even I heard about it in the 1970's in rural south canterbury.... so I think all we can refer to in fairmess is an "attempted" cover up

Katman

9th March 2019, 10:28

I think you will find it happened in 1968 and was public in 1969. And there were courts martial and so forth. Fuck even I heard about it in the 1970's in rural south canterbury.... so I think all we can refer to in fairmess is an "attempted" cover up

https://www.history.com/news/my-lai-massacre-1968-army-cover-up

husaberg

9th March 2019, 11:52

You just can't get enough of me, can you?

How do you figure that one out little bin boy?
I posted that your argument was useless, based on the words you used to justify it, Only narcissistic tendencies would make someone think it was about yourself.
You attempting to make out it was personal, rather than arguing the merits of what you said, suggests even you know and admit yourself, your original post was pretty useless.

pritch

9th March 2019, 12:17

Man we cover some ground on KiwiBiker. From a Kurdish prison in Syria to My Lai, Vietnam, in but a single bound.

Katman

9th March 2019, 12:44

Man we cover some ground on KiwiBiker. From a Kurdish prison in Syria to My Lai, Vietnam, in but a single bound.

Don't forget about the morons who have once again tried to turn it into nothing more than a simple case of political points scoring.

Kickaha

9th March 2019, 12:54

T. I always pegged her more in the 10k bracket
I think you're seriously undervaluing her even at that

Oakie

9th March 2019, 13:56

Nicky Hagar might sponsor him for a new book.

Oh dont even joke about that!

Oakie

9th March 2019, 13:58

Man we cover some ground on KiwiBiker. From a Kurdish prison in Syria to My Lai, Vietnam, in but a single bound.

I just finished watching a very in depth doco series about the Vietnam war. My Lai didn't even get a mention. (American series of course).

husaberg

9th March 2019, 14:40

I think you're seriously undervaluing her even at that

Her market value might even be as high as half bobs net worth.

HenryDorsetCase

9th March 2019, 15:10

I just finished watching a very in depth doco series about the Vietnam war. My Lai didn't even get a mention. (American series of course).

Ken Burns "THE VIETNAM WAR"? Its very good. on Maaaaaaari TV too as well as Netflix I believe

mashman

9th March 2019, 15:19

No. You said;
the US, the UK, France, Germany etc... will take theirs back.
I pointed out that this case was the opposite of what you said.
you spat the dummy a bit.
Looks like I might have to call you the wahmbulance.
Are you on the synth?

You didn't point out that this case was different to the position that was already taking place, you said "Giggy Up Gish Gallop" in response to me saying "Something NEW". The "NEW" being the potential for denying returning "jihadists" their citizenship by birth, it not having taken place until now. The link showed that there is a precedent for allowing them home.

lol@dummy in the ambulance smoking synth. "That's you that is" - Newman and Baddiel History Today.

mashman

9th March 2019, 15:23

We can completely discount that.

Because it doesn't suit your position, you deny that a General is actually correct. Didn't 19 eastern fellas train to fly planes in the US and then aim some other planes at some buildings a while ago?...... but yeah, by all means discount what the general says as impossible :killingme.

sidecar bob

9th March 2019, 15:33

You didn't point out that this case was different to the position that was already taking place, you said "Giggy Up Gish Gallop" in response to me saying "Something NEW". The "NEW" being the potential for denying returning "jihadists" their citizenship by birth, it not having taken place until now. The link showed that there is a precedent for allowing them home.

lol@dummy in the ambulance smoking synth. "That's you that is" - Newman and Baddiel History Today.

Sweet, then write a letter to your favourite tooth fairy saying you will sponsor his outgoings to get him "home" & give him bed & lodgings until he gets himself on his feet again.
Don't forget to patch us in on the correspondence so we are in the picture.

Grumph

9th March 2019, 16:05

Sweet, then write a letter to your favourite tooth fairy saying you will sponsor his outgoings to get him "home" & give him bed & lodgings until he gets himself on his feet again.
Don't forget to patch us in on the correspondence so we are in the picture.

He won't come "home" - he knows he won't be offered the means to return, and if he makes it back here, it'll be prison.

What he can do is try to get to Indonesia or a similar Muslim majority country - where he hasn't actually broken the law.
The govt is passive on this which is the right thing. We've signed up to the convention that means we can't deny him citizenship - but that is enough to get him somewhere else on an NZ passport. Which will suit everyone.

Sometimes doing nothing is actually the right thing....

pritch

9th March 2019, 19:18

What he can do is try to get to Indonesia or a similar Muslim majority country - where he hasn't actually broken the law.

That's his stated preference. How he proposes to support himself once there he didn't say. Welfare safety nets are not a thing in Indonesia. He hasn't thought this through. Then again, he hadn't thought his joining DAESH through either.

Read today about a journalist interviewing the latest DAESH prisoners, all of whom stated they were cooks, cleaners, or bottle washers - of course. He told them that with that many cooks the food must have been brilliant. Nobody laughed.

FJRider

9th March 2019, 20:11

Don't forget about the morons who have once again tried to turn it into nothing more than a simple case of political points scoring.

Or the egotistical wankers that post shit like that.

FJRider

9th March 2019, 20:16

What he can do is try to get to Indonesia or a similar Muslim majority country - where he hasn't actually broken the law.

To do that ...

1. Needs to get out of jail.

2. Needs a passport.

3. Needs money to get there and to support himself.

If he had money ... he probably wouldn't be in jail.

F5 Dave

9th March 2019, 21:46

He only needs the love of God to find redemption .

He has a few bucks.

Laava

9th March 2019, 22:29

He only needs the love of God to find redemption .

He has a few bucks.
Not enough for the love of god though!
He was struggling to buy even a budget type wife!

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 06:21

No I meant God does.

They have a whip round for him most sundays. He doesn't have a job see, but I'd say he probably gets enough to put a little aside.

Laava

10th March 2019, 07:44

pritch

10th March 2019, 08:20

Because it doesn't suit your position, you deny that a General is actually correct.

It has been suggested that US Schools teach critical thinking. It would seem a case could be made for introducing it in this country.

Didn't 19 eastern fellas train to fly planes in the US and then aim some other planes at some buildings a while ago?...... but yeah, by all means discount what the general says as impossible :killingme.

From a Kurdish prison in Syria to My Lai to New York all in the blink of an eye, but any semblance of relevance disappeared equally quickly.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 09:18

Oh right.
I see he is spending a bit on court cases for his representatives lately and imminently.
I thought his son was supposed to have sorted all that out when he was here...
Still, the rampant adoration must be quite nice, and he doesn't have to put up with any of that, 'selfie with the fans' nonsense!
His Son. You mean Jesus Christ our saviour. And he did. He left John to be the head of the church. By proxy the Pope is doing his work.

Arrangement of collection of money, oppression of women, and arranging a paedophilia ring so they can rape children.

Amen. Blessed be you.

sidecar bob

10th March 2019, 09:32

God at a party:laugh:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk7MXWQOAM

HenryDorsetCase

10th March 2019, 10:07

He won't come "home" - he knows he won't be offered the means to return, and if he makes it back here, it'll be prison.

What he can do is try to get to Indonesia or a similar Muslim majority country - where he hasn't actually broken the law.
The govt is passive on this which is the right thing. We've signed up to the convention that means we can't deny him citizenship - but that is enough to get him somewhere else on an NZ passport. Which will suit everyone.

Sometimes doing nothing is actually the right thing....

One of the best pieces of advice I ever received from a colleague (now a Judge) was "always consider the "do nothing" option". Also, "never piss off the decision maker"

HenryDorsetCase

10th March 2019, 10:07

God at a party:laugh:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk7MXWQOAM

something something..... spread something.

Fuck Jim Jefferies is funny

HenryDorsetCase

10th March 2019, 10:09

To do that ...

1. Needs to get out of jail.

2. Needs a passport.

3. Needs money to get there and to support himself.

If he had money ... he probably wouldn't be in jail.

1(b) needs to get out of a stateless, scorched earth warzone to somewhere with some sort of functioning white-people infrastructure (airports n'shit)

Katman

10th March 2019, 10:29

It has been suggested that US Schools teach critical thinking.

And you believe that?

:killingme

mashman

10th March 2019, 11:01

It has been suggested that US Schools teach critical thinking. It would seem a case could be made for introducing it in this country.

lmao@schools teaching critical thinking. I have the same response when Fresco used to say the same thing: "We need to teach critical thinking.". We already have critical thinking, what's limited is the information provided as it sets limits for that critical thinking to take place within. As soon as critical thinking is limited by some arbitrary ceiling on information, then critical thinking then become fantasy and delusion despite the fact that it is still critical thinking. We already think critically, but only within the boundaries of our consciousness. Your limited consciousness versus my virtually unlimited consciousness (heh) are both critically thought out positions based on the knowledge we have. That the rest of our culture would collapse were we all get to think critically without limits, because such would see us stop doing virtually everything we currently do to address Earth Overshoot.

Critical thinking aye... so long as you're thinking is within the defined lines. Ironic eh... but that's the way the world is: "It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It" - Upton Sinclair.

From a Kurdish prison in Syria to My Lai to New York all in the blink of an eye, but any semblance of relevance disappeared equally quickly.

Not sure what you're getting at there?

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 12:41

Mashy you really are a High Thinker.

I'm assuming Meth?

Never seen you mention anything about motorcycles. Do you actually own a bike? When did you last ride one?

FJRider

10th March 2019, 14:59

1(b) needs to get out of a stateless, scorched earth warzone to somewhere with some sort of functioning white-people infrastructure (airports n'shit)
He's missing all the things of a civilized country ... like not being shot at every day. That sort of thing can get you down a bit ... :whocares:

jasonu

10th March 2019, 15:01

Mashy you really are a High Thinker.

I'm assuming Meth?

Never seen you mention anything about motorcycles. Do you actually own a bike? When did you last ride one?

He's probably nicked at least a couple.

mashman

10th March 2019, 16:32

I'm assuming Meth?

See, bang on cue someone appears to prove the level of consciousness argument. It's almost like clockwork. Are you guys really one guy sharing an account? Coz that's more plausible than you all sharing the same brain cell.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 16:49

Katman

10th March 2019, 16:52

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 16:53

It's not commonly known but Jason and I were conjoined twins, not separated until the age of 14.

I'm the Slightly better looking one. I think he got the brain cell though.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 17:02

Or maybe you're just too stupid to understand it.

Said the retail clerk.

husaberg

10th March 2019, 17:11

Said the retail clerk.

The retail clerk, Whose highest academic achievement is a B2 in School cert English.

Katman

10th March 2019, 17:20

Said the retail clerk.

Lol.

The retail clerk, Whose highest academic achievement is a B2 in School cert English.

Dude, you clearly haven't the slightest clue regarding my School C results.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 17:22

OK guilt has got to me and my remarks could have offended the wrong audience. There are a bunch of people that work at bike shops I really respect. I'm not trying to elevate myself to some Bullshit class. Just take a dickhead on reality check, but with a narcissist that is unlikely to. . . Actually they do have high levels of insecurity so. . .

Katman

10th March 2019, 17:27

mashman

10th March 2019, 17:44

It's just you spout a lot of words like a pseudo intellectual, but you seem totally incapable of stringing together a compelling argument that reaches its intended audience.

Either you are so disabled by your intelligence that you cannot relate to other humans. Or alternatively you aren't as klever as you fink you are and too socially unaware to recognise it.

And you've asked how many questions regarding that which I have stated in order to bring your self up to speed with the knowledge required to make an informed decision regarding that information?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - thank you for the compliments thus far <3

jasonu

10th March 2019, 17:48

The retail clerk, Whose highest academic achievement is a B2 in School cert English.

I thought he went to Uni with that cunt from the Screaming Memes.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 18:01

And you've asked how many questions regarding that which I have stated in order to bring your self up to speed with the knowledge required to make an informed decision regarding that information?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - thank you for the compliments thus far <3

So you think you are the fount of knowledge?

See that's something often misunderstood. Respect isn't given.

It's earned.

Standing alone as you often are - it should be clear that it hasn't been.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 18:03

Dude, feel free to speak your mind.

Just don't complain if I make you look fucking stupid.

Buddy, you couldn't make a cheese sandwich look stupid.

mashman

10th March 2019, 18:20

So you think you are the fount of knowledge?

See that's something often misunderstood. Respect isn't given.

It's earned.

Standing alone as you often are - it should be clear that it hasn't been.

OMG a question. No, I don't, that'd be silly.

I don't need your or anyone else's respect, the information does. See that's where you dumb fucks remain as dumb fucks. You don't look any further because I did. The irony is delicious and always smiles my dial. Chur Bro.

mashman

10th March 2019, 18:20

Buddy, you couldn't make a cheese sandwich look stupid.

I put your last post on a cheese sammich. Job done.

Katman

10th March 2019, 18:54

I put your last post on a cheese sammich. Job done.

Toasted???

mashman

10th March 2019, 19:01

Toasted???

Fried..........

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 19:56

OMG a question. No, I don't, that'd be silly.

I don't need your or anyone else's respect, the information does. See that's where you dumb fucks remain as dumb fucks. You don't look any further because I did. The irony is delicious and always smiles my dial. Chur Bro.
Yeah. Bet I would seriously out score you. Your only tool in your toolbox is a hammer.

Abuse as a bully is not a sign of intelligence. You sir are a weak and pussy cunt.

Shall we take a vote?

husaberg

10th March 2019, 20:05

Shall we take a vote?
https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/electorate-profiles/electorate-profiles-data/document/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Mana_Electoral_Profile/mana-electoral-profile#_32
0.56% at the last election

Or this one(who got 337 votes)
https://poriruacity.govt.nz/your-council/mayor-councillors/elections/2016-elections/2016-elections-declaration-result/

The ideas and the candidate were seen as half baked.
Pretty sure one of the platforms was tinny houses on the motorway overpasses

mashman

10th March 2019, 20:10

Yeah. Bet I would seriously out score you. Your only tool in your toolbox is a hammer.

Abuse as a bully is not a sign of intelligence. You sir are a weak and pussy cunt.

Shall we take a vote?

I don't have an issue with you outscoring me at anything. It ain't about me. lol@hammer reference... t'was an amusing interaction.

Am I bullying someone? If so, who, and what statement was mistaken for bullying?

It won't change the truth of the matter, but if it makes you feel like you belong, go for it.

jasonu

10th March 2019, 20:26

Respect isn't given.

It's earned.

.
Very true
and a lot of maoris wonder why they are not respected.

jasonu

10th March 2019, 20:29

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The ideas and the candidate were seen as half baked.
Pretty sure one of the platforms was tinny houses on the motorway overpasses

haha last local election this indian bloke campaigned on legal peyote shops. Tik coont.

F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 20:59

. . .

Am I bullying someone? If so, who, and what statement was mistaken for bullying?t.
. . . .
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F5 Dave

10th March 2019, 21:01

. . . See that's where you dumb fucks remain as dumb fucks. . . .
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mashman

10th March 2019, 21:55

Morse code

That was just a straight up fact. Here, let's have a look at your opener and see if you reaped what you sewed shall we......

Mashy you really are a High Thinker.

I'm assuming Meth?

Never seen you mention anything about motorcycles. Do you actually own a bike? When did you last ride one?

Now then snowflake... :love:

husaberg

10th March 2019, 22:09

That was just a straight up fact. Here, let's have a look at your opener and see if you reaped what you sewed shall we......

Unless you are whipping him up a pair of slacks on your Bernina, its reap what you sow.:laugh:

Voltaire

11th March 2019, 06:10

Laava

11th March 2019, 09:24

http://nzh.tw/12211379
Another fine example. The words, "good fucken job" spring to mind.

sidecar bob

11th March 2019, 10:46

Were these people not taught about consequences for behaviour at a very young age?

F5 Dave

11th March 2019, 11:53

Only feel sorry for the kids of these fuckwits who didn't ask for this shit.

HenryDorsetCase

11th March 2019, 12:10

Only feel sorry for the kids of these fuckwits who didn't ask for this shit.

Thats literally the first sensible thing said by anyone in this thread in the last five pages.

pritch

11th March 2019, 12:24

Saw a comment by a journo who had been talking to DAESH prisoners all of whom said they had held menial jobs such as cooks & cleaners etc. He commented that with so many cooks the food must have been brilliant. Nobody laughed.

In the real world of course these were the hard liners, the very last to surrender. Fuckem!

HenryDorsetCase

11th March 2019, 12:48

Related. Since the KB massif don't have much sympathy for our Mr Taylor, how about this hard working kiwi who needs to go back to India to be purified because he ate beef mistakenly labelled as lamb*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111064745/hindu-mans-beef-with-blenheim-supermarket-after-mislabelling

*bet he was thinking "Fuck this is the tastiest lamb I've ever eaten!" nom nom nom!

Its no more or less stupid than the biblical prescription against shellfish (8 times). Or homosexuality (2 times).

HenryDorsetCase

11th March 2019, 12:50

pritch

11th March 2019, 13:00

oldrider

11th March 2019, 13:14

We almost need to re-lable this thread "Religion is fucking stupid". "My personal view is" that anyone who professes a religious view is suffering from a mental illness, and is thus disqualified from holding public office, dealing with children, or serving in the armed forces.

Not disputing simply raising the point.

Isn't that what the (democratic?) ballot box is supposed to control/provide? - majority decision? :scratch:

Laava

11th March 2019, 15:13

sidecar bob

11th March 2019, 15:23

Not relevant to the thread but suitably unhinged. A gift for our resident legal beagle.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/2/7/18215586/india-man-suing-parents-giving-birth-antinatalism-raphael-samuel

It is entirely possible that im unlikely to hear anything more absurd if i live another 50 years
Is it possible that this is a way of gifting cash to the next generation tax free in a round about way?

Voltaire

11th March 2019, 15:24

We almost need to re-lable this thread "Religion is fucking stupid". My personal view is that anyone who professes a religious view is suffering from a mental illness, and is thus disqualified from holding public office, dealing with children, or serving in the armed forces.

As part of your Religion is Stupid campaign you'll need to stop using these common phrases as they come from the Bible, and probably find a new job as yours is pretty much based on the 10 Commandments.:laugh:

50 – “My cup runneth over” – Psalms 23:5
49 – “O ye, of little faith” – Luke 12:28
48 – “Living off the fat of the land” – Genesis 45:17-18
47 – “Like a lamb led to the slaughter” – Jeremiah 11:19 / Isaiah 53:7
46 – “The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak” – Matthew 26:41
45 – “Flesh and blood” – Matthew 16:17
44 – “Spare the rod and spoil the child” – Proverbs 13:24 / 23:13
43 – “Forbidden fruit” – Genesis 2 & 3
42 – “Can a leopard change his spots?” – Jeremiah 13:23
41 – “A man after my own heart” – Samuel 13:14 / Acts 13:22
40 – “Do not cast your pearls before swine” – Matthew 7:6
39 – “The fruit of your loins” – Genesis 35:11
38 – “The powers that be” – Romans 13: 1-2
37 – “Drop in the bucket” – Isaiah 40:15
36 – “Eat, drink, and be merry” – Ecclesiastes 8:15
35 – “Eye for an eye” – Exodus 21:24 / Leviticus 24:20 / Deuteronomy 19:21 / Matthew 5:38
34 – “The good Samaritan” – Luke 10:25-37
33 – “He that is without sin, cast the first stone” – John 8:7
32 – “Labor of love” – 1 Thessalonians 1:3
31 – “The root of the matter” – Job 19:28
30 – “Fight the good fight” – 1 Timothy 6.12
29 – “Letter of the law” – 2 Corinthians 3:6
28 – “Many are called, but few are chosen” – Matthew 22:14
27 – “Man does not live by bread alone” – Deuteronomy 8:3 / Matthew 4:4
26 – “Salt of the earth” – Matthew 5:13
25 – “No rest for the wicked” or “No rest for the weary” – Isaiah 57:21
24 – “Sweat of your brow” – Genesis 3:19
23 – “Apple of my eye” – Deuteronomy 2:10 / Zechariah 2:8
22 – “The love of money is the root of all evil” – 1 Timothy 6:10
21 – “All things must pass” or “This too shall pass” – Matthew 24:6-8
20 – “The truth shall make you free” John 8:32
19 – “There’s nothing new under the sun” – Ecclesiastes 1:9
18 – “For everything there is a season” – Ecclesiastes 3:1
17 – “As old as Methuselah” – Genesis 5: 25-27
16 – “Ashes to ashes” – Genesis 3:19
15 – “Twinkling of an eye” – 1 Corinthians 15:52
14 – “A fly in the ointment” – Ecclesiastes 10:1
13 – “Faith will move mountains” – Matthew 21:21
12 – “Signs of the times” – Matthew 16:3
11 – “It is better to give than to receive” – Acts 20:35
10 – “My brother’s keeper” – Genesis 4:9
9 – “Physician, heal thyself” – Luke 4:23
8 – “Out of the mouths of babes” – Psalm 8:2
7 – “How the mighty have fallen” – 2 Samuel 1:19
6 – “Bite the dust” – Psalms 72: 9
5 – “Sour grapes” – Ezekiel 18:2
4 – “The writing on the wall” – Daniel 5:5
3 – “At my wit’s end” – Psalm 107:27
2 – “Blind leading the blind” – Matthew 15:14 / Luke 6:39
1 – “By the skin of our teeth” – Job 19:20

sidecar bob

11th March 2019, 15:29

As part of your Religion is Stupid campaign you'll need to stop using these common phrases as they come from the Bible, and probably find a new job as yours is pretty much based on the 10 Commandments.:laugh:

What about
Jesus Fuck
Christ on a fuckin crutch
Holy fuck
Holy fuckin shit
Etc.

Voltaire

11th March 2019, 15:40

What about
Jesus Fuck
Christ on a fuckin crutch
Holy fuck
Holy fuckin shit
Etc.

Yes and Home Makeover shows would have to stop with the endless " Oh my God" when they see work done by someone who's more useful with tools than themselves.

Christmas could go too replaced by just a frenzy of shopping for shit you don't need....oh my God....thats already happened.

HenryDorsetCase

11th March 2019, 16:02

Yes and Home Makeover shows would have to stop with the endless " Oh my God" when they see work done by someone who's more useful with tools than themselves.

Christmas could go too replaced by just a frenzy of shopping for shit you don't need....oh my God....thats already happened.

I quite like that easter is transformed into a frenzy of shopping for chocolate already, as I am a big fan of chocolate. Plus the bakery had Jesus buns yesterday and they're fuckin tasty.

sidecar bob

11th March 2019, 16:10

I quite like that easter is transformed into a frenzy of shopping for chocolate already, as I am a big fan of chocolate. Plus the bakery had Jesus buns yesterday and they're fuckin tasty.

My Italian mate bought some hot cross buns last weekend. He was a bit miffed that they weren't hot.
I had to explain that heating them was up to him.
It was amusing at the time.
Imaging having a mate that sounds just like Rossi.

Berries

11th March 2019, 17:16

As part of your Religion is Stupid campaign you'll need to stop using these common phrases as they come from the Bible,
It's just a book.

A bit too much fiction for me if I am honest.

F5 Dave

11th March 2019, 17:24

Not disputing simply raising the point.

Isn't that what the (democratic?) ballot box is supposed to control/provide? - majority decision? :scratch:
That was his point though. If for example a Religious zealot rode a wave of fear and hate and was elected, say for example yourself -who would eagerly pursue the ostracism of Jews in the name of your nonexistent god; - well that would be a bad thing democracy can't safe guard against so rules should be put into place to avoid the situation in the first place.

husaberg

11th March 2019, 18:47

Voltaire

11th March 2019, 19:05

It's just a book.

A bit too much fiction for me if I am honest.

Still...it was a book that changed the course of history, the Romans even gave up all that feeding Christians to lions and stuff.

What would it be like if the Romans had continued and invented steam engines a thousand years earlier?

we'd be on the Apple XXXXXX by now for starters and VB would be a global drink 1V sure.:innocent:

Fake news has been around a long time.

mashman

11th March 2019, 19:13

I hope you never go to war and lose if that's the way you treat those who put their life on the line to fight for something they believe in.

husaberg

11th March 2019, 19:16

I hope you never go to war and lose if that's the way you treat those who put their life on the line to fight for something they believe in.

Its great they left NZ renounced their citizenship to fight for what they believed in, what is wrong is thinking they can come back afterwards and that all will be forgotten.
There is a process they have to go through to get back into NZ.

Graystone

11th March 2019, 19:31

I hope you never go to war and lose if that's the way you treat those who put their life on the line to fight for something they believe in.

Do you know how going to war works? You kill those who put their life on the line to fight for something they believe in.

oldrider

11th March 2019, 19:34

That was his point though. If for example a Religious zealot rode a wave of fear and hate and was elected, say for example yourself -who would eagerly pursue the ostracism of Jews in the name of your nonexistent god; - well that would be a bad thing democracy can't safe guard against so rules should be put into place to avoid the situation in the first place.

So you know that I hold religious views and worship a non existent god, you certainly are sage in these matters for sure - :lol:

Scubbo

11th March 2019, 19:43

if it weren't over gods it would be about something else (which is usually a shroud for puppetry of idiots) not enough talking and focusing on what is common among everyone eh well... lucky where down 'er in N-Zud

TheDemonLord

11th March 2019, 19:44

Do you know how going to war works? You kill those who put their life on the line to fight for something they believe in.

Peace...

Through superior Firepower.

Laava

11th March 2019, 19:54

So you know that I hold religious views and worship a non existent god, you certainly are sage in these matters for sure - :lol:
Shall we worship him? No, for reals!

Laava

11th March 2019, 19:59

if it weren't over gods it would be about something else

Yep. My gods better than yours.
my oils better than.....err well it was your oil...
my very slightly left of centre policies and ideals are better than your marginally different yet deplorable ideals....
ahhh, gotta love the human race...be more lovable if there was a fuck sight less of us....hey! I've got an idea...

husaberg

11th March 2019, 20:09

Yep. My gods better than yours.
..

Sounds like fighting talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDsn-RRmDXU

Scubbo

11th March 2019, 20:14

a bit of hanky flapping then a drink and feed between the two parties would probably work a lot better than paying some randoms to start shooting --- but I guess there is no money in the former except for the barman perhaps...

husaberg

11th March 2019, 20:27

So you know that I hold religious views and worship a non existent god, you certainly are sage in these matters for sure - :lol:

The end of chemotherapy? :yes: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=178497

Also off the site you linked

Only God is Real, Nothing Else Exists. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=178511)

Armageddon Approaches (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=43750)

Dimensional Shift and the New Earth- Has Jesus Christ Spoken? (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=24964)

The Advent of the Anti-Christ II (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=13256)

Norwegian politician: Planet X is Incoming 2.000.000 To Go Underground (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=7906)

Reincarnation and the Early Christians (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=10036)

Go figure, So how often have you linked that same site and how often do you visit it then?

oldrider

11th March 2019, 20:33

Go figure So how often have you linked that same site and how often do you visit it then?

Totally presumptuous as usual - it's whats in "your" head not mine. - :facepalm:

husaberg

11th March 2019, 20:36

Totally presumptuous as usual - it's whats in "your" head not mine. - :facepalm:

Its only a question, no real need to get all precious about anyone questioning your religious belief is there.

The end of chemotherapy? :yes: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=178497

Also off the site you linked

Only God is Real, Nothing Else Exists. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=178511)

Armageddon Approaches (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=43750)

Dimensional Shift and the New Earth- Has Jesus Christ Spoken? (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=24964)

The Advent of the Anti-Christ II (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=13256)

Norwegian politician: Planet X is Incoming 2.000.000 To Go Underground (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=7906)

Reincarnation and the Early Christians (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=10036)

oldrider

11th March 2019, 20:51

Its only a question, no real need to get all precious about anyone questioning your religious belief is there.

Are you H5 Dave? - I think I was answering his post?

husaberg

11th March 2019, 21:04

Are you H5 Dave? - I think I was answering his post?

Of course you were.
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Swoop

11th March 2019, 21:27

So if the Media decides we bring him back..

Would Commerical air lines say no?

Then do us tax payers fun a RNZAF flight there and back, fund his legal defence and potential jail term at 100+K a year?

From memory there are quite a few Kiwi's in overseas jails who would like to come back here too.

I find it hard to believe he was " only a guard"....echoes of German stories there.
Guantanamo Bay still has beds available...

My personal view is that anyone who professes a religious view is suffering from a mental illness,
The chinese have done exactly that with muslims in their country.
"Off to the re-education camps with them!". Literally.

oldrider

14th March 2019, 14:20

Still...it was a book that changed the course of history, the Romans even gave up all that feeding Christians to lions and stuff.

What would it be like if the Romans had continued and invented steam engines a thousand years earlier?

we'd be on the Apple XXXXXX by now for starters and VB would be a global drink 1V sure.:innocent:

Fake news has been around a long time.

Here is another little religious based gem that has been sneaking up on the world at large - "Chabad Noahide Laws" they are not now coming, they have arrived. - :wait:

husaberg

14th March 2019, 17:36

Here is another little religious based gem that has been sneaking up on the world at large - "Chabad Noahide Laws" they are not now coming, they have arrived. - :wait:

Well it has been said that Religious stuff seems to be the topic and overwhelming theme of a lot your posts.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/200909/conspiracy-theories-form-religious-belief-the-911-case
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/23/conspiracy-theory-psychology/815121001/
That and shape shifting lizard men. Tell us more about this approaching Armageddon, which sky pixie is your odds on favorite to back with all our disposable cash.
Out of interest how many cats do you have?

oldrider

14th March 2019, 18:59

Well it has been said that Religious stuff seems to be the topic and overwhelming theme of a lot your posts.

Like a moth to a flame! - :rolleyes:

Grumph

14th March 2019, 19:09

Out of interest how many cats do you have?

Hey, leave cats out of this - ours worship me as a god. Or food source...

husaberg

14th March 2019, 19:10

Hey, leave cats out of this - ours worship me as a god. Or food source...

Yes They are a great potential food source.:whistle:

Like a moth to a flame! - :rolleyes:

Well it has been said that Religious stuff seems to be the topic and overwhelming theme of a lot your posts.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/200909/conspiracy-theories-form-religious-belief-the-911-case
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/23/conspiracy-theory-psychology/815121001/
That and shape shifting lizard men. Tell us more about this approaching Armageddon, which sky pixie is your odds on favorite to back with all our disposable cash.
Out of interest how many cats do you have?

You seem to have forgotten parts of my post so why sky pixie is the front runner and how many Cats.

F5 Dave

14th March 2019, 19:40

Like a moth to a flame! - :rolleyes:
Like an Antisemite going to Hell for his sins against Gods people .

oldrider

14th March 2019, 20:53

Like an Antisemite going to Hell for his sins against Gods people .

Accuser, Judge and executioner all rolled up in one parcel - interesting position to claim for ones self? :rolleyes:

husaberg

14th March 2019, 22:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHhAoxTXKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35rHhxZKGes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7L1cVINGpY

Katman

15th March 2019, 05:04

Like an Antisemite going to Hell for his sins against Gods people .

Are you the Berk's twin?

F5 Dave

15th March 2019, 06:03

Nah I'm just sick of cunts that don't even ride bikes coming here to spread their religion inspired hate talk .

They can all fuck off.

mashman

15th March 2019, 06:36

Nah I'm just sick of cunts that don't even ride bikes coming here to spread their religion inspired hate talk .

They can all fuck off.

Get the mods to build a pay wall to keep the great unwashed out and away from you superior types. The great wall of KB........or some other fascistic mechanism to satiate your intolerances.

Katman

15th March 2019, 07:34

Nah I'm just sick of cunts that don't even ride bikes coming here to spread their religion inspired hate talk .

They can all fuck off.

I'm sick of cunts who think riding bikes is the only important thing in the world, coming on here complaining about threads in Rant and Rave that aren't about bikes.

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 08:10

I'm sick of cunts who think riding bikes is the only important thing in the world, coming on here complaining about threads in Rant and Rave that aren't about bikes.

Asking nicely, and throwing it out there for all to have a think about, what is really important to you?
With my change of lifestyle that came about from selling my business a while back, I can pretty much do whatever I want most days, which gets a bit confusing to be completely honest. So I wrote down the five most important things for me to do every week for myself. Riding a motorbike was the first thing I wrote down, the second was tinkering with a motorbike, which is the same as working on one but for yourself & with no deadlines.

Katman

15th March 2019, 08:52

Asking nicely, and throwing it out there for all to have a think about, what is really important to you?
With my change of lifestyle that came about from selling my business a while back, I can pretty much do whatever I want most days, which gets a bit confusing to be completely honest. So I wrote down the five most important things for me to do every week for myself. Riding a motorbike was the first thing I wrote down, the second was tinkering with a motorbike, which is the same as working on one but for yourself & with no deadlines.

Considering I don't think the world revolves around me, there are plenty of things that I believe are vastly more important than what I want to do with my spare time.

FJRider

15th March 2019, 09:21

Asking nicely, and throwing it out there for all to have a think about, what is really important to you?
With my change of lifestyle that came about from selling my business a while back, I can pretty much do whatever I want most days, which gets a bit confusing to be completely honest. So I wrote down the five most important things for me to do every week for myself. Riding a motorbike was the first thing I wrote down, the second was tinkering with a motorbike, which is the same as working on one but for yourself & with no deadlines.

Most of my occupations in my life were 5-6 (sometimes 7) days a week. I now work 7 days on and 7 days off (paid for both). A long week-end to be sure. Somehow ... I still cant get all I want to do in my weekend done ... that I want to do. Go figure ...

oldrider

15th March 2019, 09:23

That was his point though. If for example a Religious zealot rode a wave of fear and hate and was elected, say for example yourself -who would eagerly pursue the ostracism of Jews in the name of your nonexistent god; - well that would be a bad thing democracy can't safe guard against so rules should be put into place to avoid the situation in the first place.

And you claim that I raised religion on this thread? - :oi-grr:

FJRider

15th March 2019, 09:25

Considering I don't think the world revolves around me

I think the entire KB population would be in agreement.

Probably a first in this regard ... :calm:

FJRider

15th March 2019, 09:28

Isn't that what the (democratic?) ballot box is supposed to control/provide? - majority decision? :scratch:

In the last election ... the majority voted National.

Was the actual end result NOT supposed to happen ... ???

oldrider

15th March 2019, 10:13

In the last election ... the majority voted National.

Was the actual end result NOT supposed to happen ... ???

The answer to that is possibly "yes" but then you have to counter that with the vagaries of MMP where the majority takes on another flavour, that of the "political majority".

The electorate voted MMP in as the preferred electoral system and now we are learning to live with it - like it or not! :rolleyes:

At the end of the day there is not a hell of lot of difference in the final outcomes, apart from window dressing - one is much the same as the other IMHO! - :yawn:

mashman

15th March 2019, 10:29

Asking nicely, and throwing it out there for all to have a think about, what is really important to you?

Whether you want to believe it or not, saving your life so that you can fuck about with bikes now that you have some time to do it. No flippancy, no trolling, just a genuine desire to see things change given that the road we're racing down ends with dead you and no bike riding for anyone.

pritch

15th March 2019, 10:50

Guantanamo Bay still has beds available...

I'm just readng Andrew McCabe's book "The Threat" etc etc... He describes how Sessions, then the Attorney General, previously considered too racist to be a judge in Alabama, wanted to use Guantanamo.

A guy wanted by the USA for terrorist acts including murder, assaulted someone in Italy. The Yanks were notified by the Italians that he was in custody and available for extradition. Sessions wanted him taken to Gitmo, he did not want him to be brought to the USA.

The FBI had great difficulty convincing Sessions that the terrorist had to be brought to the USA. If he'd been left in Italy, he would shortly be back in circulation - whereabouts unknown. It was only an assault charge after all. No European country would release a prisoner to Gitmo and even if there was one that might, the European Court of Human Rights would have stopped it. So despite Session's tantrums the prisoner got a free trip to the USA where he now has free board and lodging.

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 10:57

Considering I don't think the world revolves around me, there are plenty of things that I believe are vastly more important than what I want to do with my spare time.
But you spend all day making sure others can ride their bikes.
How noble of you & mashy:2thumbsup
Nobody asked what my 3 4 & 5 were. One was to work on abolishing cash & the other to slow the end of the world from coming.
Apart from posting your somewhat unorthodox views from the moral high ground on an obscure bike forum, what other action have you been taking to save my arse so I can live selfishly?

Voltaire

15th March 2019, 11:34

#1 on the list should be not bothering with fuckwits on the internet.

Grumph

15th March 2019, 12:15

But you spend all day making sure others can ride their bikes.
How noble of you & mashy:2thumbsup
Nobody asked what my 3 4 & 5 were. One was to work on abolishing cash & the other to slow the end of the world from coming.
Apart from posting your somewhat unorthodox views from the moral high ground on an obscure bike forum, what other action have you been taking to save my arse so I can live selfishly?

Well I for one don't want cash abolished - for reasons I won't go into in public. Slowing the end of the world is definitely helped by riding bikes rather than driving cars. Also doing your best to turn people away from religion is a good thing as it has been explained to me on a US based forum how the religious right by supporting Trump are trying to bring about the predicted armageddon...

In your situation the hardest thing is to stay motivated to get out of bed. An elderly friend of mine here had a succession of dogs just for that reason.

What have I done to help you live selfishly ? Voted labour...

jasonu

15th March 2019, 12:25

#1 on the list should be not bothering with fuckwits on the internet.

That would be the end of Kiwi Bickerer

F5 Dave

15th March 2019, 12:35

And you claim that I raised religion on this thread? - :oi-grr:

No I didn't. I said you were a religious zealot. You try to hide it but you can't.

HenryDorsetCase

15th March 2019, 14:25

Well its all gone to shit in this town (Christchurch) this afternoon.....

oldrider

15th March 2019, 14:46

No I didn't. I said you were a religious zealot. You try to hide it but you can't.

Think you are using the wrong word - I do not have any religion but I am interested in why other people do or what their religions actually stand for and why?

Why do I bother?

My wife is a Christian and before I could support her in raising our children in the Christian faith I felt the need to know what it was all about.

One of our children was damaged at birth by medical misadventure and later sent to a special government owned school run by Australian Christian brothers only to be molested by them.

So I don't really think you have any idea what you are talking about, but then, why should you we only know each other through posting on KB forum! :shit:

I do find it extraordinary the way posters slag off most religions as crap etc etc here but then fully accept that Jews have a god given divine right to Israel. - "balance?" :oi-grr:

If you think that to criticise some of Israel's behaviour toward the rest of the world is "hate" speech then I think that you have fallen victim to their brainwashing.

When I was born the state of Israel did not exist!

In less than my lifetime Israel has developed and become (IMO) the only real world superpower to whom almost all other countries grovel to submissively - why? :scratch:

The subject has captured my curiosity - I have no axe to grind with Israel or Jews - the only hate here has been generated by other posters with very shallow imaginations.

husaberg

15th March 2019, 15:27

Think you are using the wrong word - I do not have any religion but I am interested in why other people do or what their religions actually stand for and why?

Why do I bother?

My wife is a Christian and before I could support her in raising our children in the Christian faith I felt the need to know what it was all about.

One of our children was damaged at birth by medical misadventure and later sent to a special government owned school run by Australian Christian brothers only to be molested by them.

So I don't really think you have any idea what you are talking about, but then, why should you we only know each other through posting on KB forum! :shit:

I do find it extraordinary the way posters slag off most religions as crap etc etc here but then fully accept that Jews have a god given divine right to Israel. - "balance?" :oi-grr:

If you think that to criticise some of Israel's behaviour toward the rest of the world is "hate" speech then I think that you have fallen victim to their brainwashing.

When I was born the state of Israel did not exist!

In less than my lifetime Israel has developed and become (IMO) the only real world superpower to whom almost all other countries grovel to submissively - why? :scratch:

The subject has captured my curiosity - I have no axe to grind with Israel or Jews - the only hate here has been generated by other posters with very shallow imaginations.

Your conspiracy theories and 90% of what you post is religious even in this post you finish with your normal Joe gerballs Speach.
You just simply cant help yourself.

Swoop

15th March 2019, 15:40

No European country would release a prisoner to Gitmo...
One of Obama's promises was to close down Gitmo...
He didn't keep that promise either.

oldrider

15th March 2019, 15:58

Your conspiracy theories and 90% of what you post is religious even in this post you finish with your normal Joe gerballs Speach.
You just simply cant help yourself.

All that from KB's resident hate merchant! - take a long look at the man in the mirror!

husaberg

15th March 2019, 16:04

All that from KB's resident hate merchant! - take a long look at the man in the mirror!

Yeah nice try. If i am Kb hate merchant you will of course have no trouble supplying some evidence to back up the claim?

jellywrestler

15th March 2019, 16:05

Well its all gone to shit in this town (Christchurch) this afternoon.....

no all , at least your pubs still have some good old fashioned happy hours, they're hard to find up here.

FJRider

15th March 2019, 16:15

no all , at least your pubs still have some good old fashioned happy hours, they're hard to find up here.

We have happy hour and a half's ... such is life in the deep south.

oldrider

15th March 2019, 16:39

Yeah nice try. If i am Kb hate merchant you will of course have no trouble supplying some evidence to back up the claim?

I have no experience in life of being bullied but because you think you are constantly abusing a frail old man on medication I call you out as nothing less than a cheap bullying low life.

For proof just do you old cut and paste trick all round KB rant and rave threads.

As I have often said "Mind over matter" - I don't mind because "you" simply don't matter! :bye:

FJRider

15th March 2019, 17:02

You just simply cant help yourself.

Pot calling the kettle black.

What he believes (for whatever reason) is none of your business.

Your comments are in ignorance and stupidity, do yourself a favour and pull your head in.

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 17:06

Well I for one don't want cash abolished - for reasons I won't go into in public. Slowing the end of the world is definitely helped by riding bikes rather than driving cars. Also doing your best to turn people away from religion is a good thing as it has been explained to me on a US based forum how the religious right by supporting Trump are trying to bring about the predicted armageddon...

In your situation the hardest thing is to stay motivated to get out of bed. An elderly friend of mine here had a succession of dogs just for that reason.

What have I done to help you live selfishly ? Voted labour...

I was just winding a few dopey pricks up.
My real top 5 is 1 riding a bike, 2 tinkering with a bike, 3 a wine & dinner with my mrs, 4 catching up with my grown up kids & 5 having a beer with mates.
I've realised in the last few hours that sticking to my list & minding my own selfish business is fairly harmless to the country in general & I will keep doing it for as long as possible.

husaberg

15th March 2019, 17:17

Pot calling the kettle black.

What he believes (for whatever reason) is none of your business.

Your comments are in ignorance and stupidity, do yourself a favour and pull your head in.

I hate to point this out to you its a forum what he posts and what he says is my business.:killingme
Telling me that i am ignorant and stupid and that i should shut up doesnt exactly further your point, It actually proves you are wrong.

I have no experience in life of being bullied but because you think you are constantly abusing a frail old man on medication I call you out as nothing less than a cheap bullying low life.

For proof just do you old cut and paste trick all round KB rant and rave threads.

As I have often said "Mind over matter" - I don't mind because "you" simply don't matter! :bye:

So lets see, you think being old means you can post any old racist or profoundly silly material and not be questioned on it.
That's hilarious. Asking you to validate the material you post or pointing out they are exactly what joseph Goebbels said years ago, is not bullying you.
Pointing out you are posting mein kamph, quoting the virtues of Hitler and constantly attempting to post propaganda about a minority, is not bulling you. Its pointing out what you do and what you are and what you say.
As i have said to you many times, write what you post anonymously on this forum. Write it in the letters to the editor of Gore or wherever you live, with your name, address and see what response you ge, to your “harmless views”.
Now might be a good time to share your views on the noble freedom fighters that use terrorism to spread their messages that you have done so on many occasions. See how well that one goes down.

FJRider

15th March 2019, 17:58

Telling me that i am ignorant and stupid and that i should shut up doesnt exactly further your point, It actually proves you are wrong.

Your argument in this case proves me right ... :lol:

So lets see, you think being old means you can post any old racist or profoundly silly material and not be questioned on it.

Being older than you might mean he knows a little more about the world than you. Your argument merely confirms my point in the first part of this quote of YOUR profoundly silly material. ... ;)

Again ... the kettle calling the pot black. :lol:

Grumph

15th March 2019, 17:58

I've realised in the last few hours that sticking to my list & minding my own selfish business is fairly harmless to the country in general & I will keep doing it for as long as possible.

So like me, you've realised that life is simply occupational therapy...

husaberg

15th March 2019, 18:04

Your argument in this case proves me right ... :lol:

Being older than you might mean he knows a little more about the world than you. Your argument merely confirms my point in the first part of this quote of YOUR profoundly silly material. ... ;)

Really, show how, saying what someone posts or questioning it, or the motives for doing so is, either abusive or racist?

frogfeaturesFZR

15th March 2019, 19:51

Lets see if our jihadi condemns the Christchurch attack.

Laava

15th March 2019, 20:37

He is way too thick to comprehend the situation.

Grumph

15th March 2019, 20:39

Lets see if our jihadi condemns the Christchurch attack.

More to the point - I want to see if Oldrider does. Carried out by a white supremacist against Muslims.....

caseye

15th March 2019, 20:40

He is way too thick to comprehend the situation.

And should never see the light of day from under the Southern Cross ever again, for that very reason, toothick!:crazy:

husaberg

15th March 2019, 20:54

More to the point - I want to see if Oldrider does. Carried out by a white supremacist against Muslims.....

Or those other Tommy robinnson supporters

oldrider

15th March 2019, 21:03

More to the point - I want to see if Oldrider does. Carried out by a white supremacist against Muslims.....

Seriously? - :scratch: Based on what?

mashman

15th March 2019, 21:10

Seriously? - :scratch: Based on what?

Yeah that kinda has me stumped too. He's probably a projecting supremacist.

husaberg

16th March 2019, 00:03

.

dont promote the crap by posting it...............

Paulo

16th March 2019, 00:06

exactly don't talk about him don't use his name don't share his fucking poison, forget the cunt, he wants to be infamous. let him rot in jail the nobody he is.

jasonu

16th March 2019, 02:29

dont promote the crap by posting it...............

exactly don't talk about him don't use his name don't share his fucking poison, forget the cunt, he wants to be infamous. let him rot in jail the nobody he is.

No. The more people that read his ravings the better chance there is of outing others like him.

oldrider

16th March 2019, 08:28

Currently don't own a TV and only have an old radio playing a station that plays old tunes so didn't hear about the Christchurch crime scene until late last night.

My thoughts go out to all those who have become victims or affected in any way by this criminal insanity. R.I.P. to those who lost their lives.

Never thought that this would happen here in NZ but the real world seems to have found our little hiding place - peace be with you all.

caseye

16th March 2019, 09:18

exactly don't talk about him don't use his name don't share his fucking poison, forget the cunt, he wants to be infamous. let him rot in jail the nobody he is.

Well said , that man and exactly right.

jasonu

16th March 2019, 10:08

Well said , that man and exactly right.

Ignoring it won’t make it go away

husaberg

16th March 2019, 10:26

No. The more people that read his ravings the better chance there is of outing others like him.

No that's the security specialists job, not the public's. they will disseminate and release what is appropriate.
The more credence you give to this person.
Who also live streamed the killing for added publicity. The more likely there is to be copy cats. Because of the publicity their cause got.
If you actually want to stop any sorts of terrorist attacks. that are motivated by extremism. You need to shut down the causes and the information that fed their extremism.

Notice how the Tommy Robinson supporters and the spreaders of racial hate on KB are already trying to distance themselves from these events.
Rather than taking on any responsibility they should share for spreading the messages of hate based on race specific religion or cred or colour.

Tommy Robinson
islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough! They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today. They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are.
Despite platitudes to the contrary, AKA routinely fails to draw a distinction between Islamist extremists and ordinary Muslims. To see akas prejudiced homogenization of all Muslims in sharp focus, one need look no further than his reaction to the arrival in Europe of refugees and migrants fleeing Islamic extremism in the Middle East. He has completely refused to draw a distinction between perpetrator and victim.

“I’d personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow if I could. Fake refugees,” he tweeted in early 2016
Every single Muslim watching this… on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens… you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end… and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.
” Robinson held aloft a copy of the Koran, ” Robinson told Morgan, “This book is the reason we are in such a mess,”

TheDemonLord

16th March 2019, 10:40

exactly don't talk about him don't use his name don't share his fucking poison, forget the cunt, he wants to be infamous. let him rot in jail the nobody he is.

Then you absolutely should read his Manifesto - he makes it clear he does not want fame, he considers himself a Soldier, fighting a War.

If we stick our head in the sand, ignore what was said - how can we argue against it? When the next young, angry Man starts to have ideas like this persons - if there is no rebuttal, no counterpoint, no logical argument as to why the conjectures and statements put forth are wrong - where does that lead?

If one does not understand something, how can one fix it?
Simply understanding does not mean condoning. I have read the Manifesto - I condemn it absolutely.

nerrrd

16th March 2019, 10:54

Forget the ‘manifesto’ , it will be nothing more than justification.

His real motivation for wanting to go out and murder so many innocent men, women and children will go much deeper.

AllanB

16th March 2019, 10:58

There was a guy on TV this morning saying don't charge him as a terrorist, charge him for each murder he committed like the thug he is.

Viking01

16th March 2019, 11:22

Then you absolutely should read his Manifesto - he makes it clear he does not want fame, he considers himself a Soldier, fighting a War.

If we stick our head in the sand, ignore what was said - how can we argue against it? When the next young, angry Man starts to have ideas like this persons - if there is no rebuttal, no counterpoint, no logical argument as to why the conjectures and statements put forth are wrong - where does that lead?

If one does not understand something, how can one fix it?
Simply understanding does not mean condoning. I have read the Manifesto - I condemn it absolutely.

Regardless of nationality, ethnicity or religion involved, mass murder is
morally wrong.

So, No. I don't intend reading his "manifesto", or even trying to mentally
rebut his supposed "arguments".

OddDuck

16th March 2019, 11:38

Manifesto... well, if they get you hating your neighbors, then they win. That's why it's so dangerous to promote these things. They'll get followers. Not everyone can think straight.

Stopping the next angry young man... making sure that the dead aren't faceless, that there's a name, that it's a person and a life, then it'll quietly dampen down. Mostly, not always.

Having arguments with extremists won't work, it just entrenches their views further. Dispassionate facts won't work. You've got to go for emotion, the simple visceral gut feeling that doing this sort of violent hate is just flat out wrong.

JimO

16th March 2019, 15:19

i have seen him a few times at the gym i go to, looked like a normal bloke

oldrider

16th March 2019, 15:49

Notice how the Tommy Robinson supporters and the spreaders of racial hate on KB are already trying to distance themselves from these events.
Rather than taking on any responsibility they should share for spreading the messages of hate based on race specific religion or cred or colour.

Inappropriate time even for you. :shutup: - https://twitter.com/i/status/1106754773544517632

husaberg

16th March 2019, 16:34

Inappropriate time even for you. :shutup: - https://twitter.com/i/status/1106754773544517632

Its highly appropriate to discuss the Twaddle that is spread on the net that and how it both feeds and leads to these forms of extremism.
I can see why you wouldn't want to discuss it, As you have said spreading racial biased material is harmless and fun for you. Its just your hobby to post unsolicited racially biased material on a daily basis.
What is clearly obvious about your situation is . You still cant comprehend the deliberate results of the actions such as yours are, because you think spreading your racial and religious based hate propaganda against different minority group of people is somehow makes you different.

Notice how the Tommy Robinson supporters and the spreaders of racial hate on KB are already trying to distance themselves from these events.
Rather than taking on any responsibility they should share for spreading the messages of hate based on race specific religion or cred or colour.

Tommy Robinson
islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough! They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today. They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are.
Despite platitudes to the contrary, AKA routinely fails to draw a distinction between Islamist extremists and ordinary Muslims. To see akas prejudiced homogenization of all Muslims in sharp focus, one need look no further than his reaction to the arrival in Europe of refugees and migrants fleeing Islamic extremism in the Middle East. He has completely refused to draw a distinction between perpetrator and victim.

“I’d personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow if I could. Fake refugees,” he tweeted in early 2016
Every single Muslim watching this… on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens… you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end… and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.
” Robinson held aloft a copy of the Koran, ” Robinson told Morgan, “This book is the reason we are in such a mess,”

carbonhed

16th March 2019, 17:04

If you want to help the support services....

https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/christchurch-shooting-victims-fund

F5 Dave

16th March 2019, 19:20

Obviously I feel sick to the core and have been absent. Religious hate is often a thin veil of racial hate.

Fuck to Hell any cunts who spread this shit message.

TheDemonLord

16th March 2019, 20:11

Regardless of nationality, ethnicity or religion involved, mass murder is
morally wrong.

So, No. I don't intend reading his "manifesto", or even trying to mentally
rebut his supposed "arguments".

No one is saying Mass Murder isn't wrong.

However, upon Reflection, I believe he is achieving his objective more completely than first thought. He explicitly states he wants to cause division, he wants to pit the Left against the Right. Everything about his actions are in line with wanting to light a fuse, in order to burn everything down.

And so far, our Politicians, our Media and Us (Myself included in that statement) are doing our level best to prove him right - We are all pointing to our Worldviews and pointing towards our opponents Worldviews and linking his actions in a manner the supports what we believe.

In this sense, he is winning.

And I cannot allow that to be the case - so for once, I'm not going to argue about this - because that is precisely what he wants, and I refuse to let him win.

I'm going to ask - that whatever your opinion of me is, that you consider what his ultimate goal was (to instigate society to tear itself apart) and you guide your actions, just as I am guiding mine.

oldrider

16th March 2019, 21:45

No one is saying Mass Murder isn't wrong.

However, upon Reflection, I believe he is achieving his objective more completely than first thought. He explicitly states he wants to cause division, he wants to pit the Left against the Right. Everything about his actions are in line with wanting to light a fuse, in order to burn everything down.

And so far, our Politicians, our Media and Us (Myself included in that statement) are doing our level best to prove him right - We are all pointing to our Worldviews and pointing towards our opponents Worldviews and linking his actions in a manner the supports what we believe.

In this sense, he is winning.

And I cannot allow that to be the case - so for once, I'm not going to argue about this - because that is precisely what he wants, and I refuse to let him win.

I'm going to ask - that whatever your opinion of me is, that you consider what his ultimate goal was (to instigate society to tear itself apart) and you guide your actions, just as I am guiding mine.

Anders Breivik Sweden? - Similar? .... I have not looked but his name lit up when I read of this crisis in Christchurch.

FJRider

17th March 2019, 06:27

... I believe he is achieving his objective more completely than first thought. He explicitly states he wants to cause division, he wants to pit the Left against the Right. Everything about his actions are in line with wanting to light a fuse, in order to burn everything down.

... And so far, our Politicians, our Media and Us (Myself included in that statement) are doing our level best to prove him right

You mean doing their level best (in your opinion) to prove YOU right ... <_<

He was a sicko that wanted to kill as many Muslims as he could ... and his name would go down in history. In this regard he succeeded.

At worst (in his mind perhaps) he'd die by cop. Suicide by cop. In this regard ... he failed.

Don't give him any credit as none is due to him.

Viking01

17th March 2019, 08:53

No one is saying Mass Murder isn't wrong.

.....

I'm going to ask - that whatever your opinion of me is, that you consider what his ultimate goal was (to instigate society to tear itself apart) and you guide your actions, just as I am guiding mine.

DL,

Morning. I read and (think) I understand the points you're making.

But in this case, I don't feel I need to consider my world view
(or his). For me, it's simple.

It was simply an act of unprovoked mass violence. It wouldn't have
mattered whether the victims were Muslim, Christian or Jewish etc.
So I go back to my original post.

I'm glad that you having read his "manifesto", your personal values
(moral compass) were strong enough to categorically reject what
he supposedly stood for (or was trying to achieve).

But in respect to recommending others reading his "manifesto", I
thought that OddDuck made some good points worth considering
(post #222, page 15) .

My 2c worth.

Cheers,
Viking

pritch

17th March 2019, 10:17

He was a sicko that wanted to kill as many Muslims as he could ... and his name would go down in history. In this regard he succeeded.

Some time ago I decided to try and avoid learning the names of these people. I've had some success in this regard but our witless news media will make that difficult this time.

On reflection I may be a bit hard on our news media, they are undoubtedly stupid but probably no more so than those of Australia, Britain or the US.

husaberg

17th March 2019, 11:12

It was simply an act of unprovoked mass violence. It wouldn't have
mattered whether the victims were Muslim, Christian or Jewish etc.
So I go back to my original post.

I'm glad that you having read his "manifesto", your personal values
(moral compass) were strong enough to categorically reject what
he supposedly stood for (or was trying to achieve).
Viking

Unfortunately i sincerely doubt he does object to whats in this nutters manefesto only likely the means to which he carried out.

A We've not done anything, there's been no pogroms, no Mosques have been burned down, no lynchings - so Pray tell Husa, exactly how is it that My reaction is requires that the Government protection
The EDL was started in 2009, since the rise of the EDL,- and low and behold! There's a reason why a whole bunch of working class people are seriously fucked off at Islam.
In a way that they aren't fucked off at say Sikhism or Buddhism or Judaism.

Cause it's not like Islam has a record of murdering people that critique their religion or their Prophet - do I need to bring up Charlie Hebdo?
You are putting the Cart before the Horse: It's because of their middle eastern descent and values that they committed the crimes they did, It's the values that Tommy is objecting to.
You're trying to setup a false equivalence - There's a very key difference between the Catholic Church offences and these offences:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/19/several-casualties-reported-after-van-hits-pedestrians-in-north-london

One dead and 11 injured after van ploughs into Muslim worshippers in Finsbury Park in fourth UK attack in past three months
I remember that well ....- someone finally got pissed off at the police inaction and decided to go vigilante - ......it isn't like it's without it's reason.

I've watched Tommy's Oxford Union address - I'd suggest that for ANYONE who is interested in this subject, to listen to that first. I've watched instances of Tommy's activism and then read the reports on it - at best it's a very bad misrepresentation, at worst I've seen reports on him be flat-out lies.
#Freetommy

Now - I've listened to a fair bit of Tommy, He's a working class lad and his word choice can be called careless at times. This does not make him a Racist. I've yet to hear Tommy say something expressly racist.

Tommy Robinson.
islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough! They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today. They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are.

“I’d personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow if I could. Fake refugees,” he tweeted in early 2016
Every single Muslim watching this… on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens… you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end… and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.
” Robinson held aloft a copy of the Koran, ” Robinson told Morgan, “This book is the reason we are in such a mess,”
Robinson was questioned on why. He said: “To be honest with you, I don’t care if it incites fear [against Muslims]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fjlHBc-j9w
“Now we understand that this is not a game, terrorism doesn’t choose its victims selectively, that we are one community and everything we say to try and tear people apart, demonize particular groups, set them against each other — that all has consequences, even if we’re not the ones with our fingers on the trigger.”

Viking01

17th March 2019, 11:23

Unfortunately i sincerely doubt he does object to whats in this nutters manefesto only likely the means to which he carried out.

I've said my piece already. You two gentlemen feel free to continue to debate
the subject (and others) between the two of you.

Cheers,
Viking

FJRider

17th March 2019, 11:29

Some time ago I decided to try and avoid learning the names of these people. I've had some success in this regard but our witless news media will make that difficult this time.

On reflection I may be a bit hard on our news media, they are undoubtedly stupid but probably no more so than those of Australia, Britain or the US.

I'm lousy with names. I put it down to old age. And when it involves people I'll probably never see again ... I lack enthusiasm to learn and remember their names. Some names however ... do stick in my memory for various reasons. Some good reasons ... some not so. And I'm not making an effort to change that.

The various news media ARE trying to get ALL the "facts" ... their (future) reputation (and job prospects) relies on it. All them trying to come up with a different angle/slant on things. Dig a big enough hole and you may hit pay-dirt. So ... they keep digging ... and there'll be still plenty of digging still to do. An interview with his high school form teacher is on the cards ... bound to be enlightening ... ;)

18th March 2019, 19:21

Ignoring it won’t make it go away
Changing your avatar would be a step in the right direction.

Pointing a gun in our faces was bad taste long before the Christchurch shootings. Now it's outright disgusting.
Does waving a gun around make you feel tough? superior? righteous?

It comes across more like these; coward; dipshit, wanker.

jasonu

19th March 2019, 02:26

husaberg

19th March 2019, 16:09

Changing your avatar would be a step in the right direction.

Pointing a gun in our faces was bad taste long before the Christchurch shootings. Now it's outright disgusting.
Does waving a gun around make you feel tough? superior? righteous?

It comes across more like these; coward; dipshit, wanker.

A little precious aren't we???

Poofter.

How about we concentrate on the ways to prevent this.
I dont see putting armed guards at mosques being a long term solution.
Nor do i see a need for military caliber and style semi auto weapons here in NZ.
As the last people to invade NZ was actually us.
There needs to be some better systems developed to look into ways of identifying these kind of nutters and prevent them from easily obtaining weapons and support.

sidecar bob

19th March 2019, 16:18

Worth a watch regardless of which country were talking about.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

carbonhed

19th March 2019, 16:45

How about we concentrate on the ways to prevent this.
I dont see putting armed guards at mosques being a long term solution.
Nor do i see a need for military caliber and style semi auto weapons here in NZ.
As the last people to invade NZ was actually us.
There needs to be some better systems developed to look into ways of identifying these kind of nutters and prevent them from easily obtaining weapons and support.

Well I don't know shit about guns but it would seem to me that big magazines are a really bad idea in the civilian arena. As soon as he was caught reloading he was off like the
five foot chickenshit arsehole with a microscopic dick that he really was.

sidecar bob

19th March 2019, 16:56

Going back to the original topic of this thread.
I doubt current events have helped his cause.

husaberg

19th March 2019, 16:58

Well I don't know shit about guns but it would seem to me that big magazines are a really bad idea in the civilian arena. As soon as he was caught reloading he was off like the
five foot chickenshit arsehole with a microscopic dick that he really was.

Yip but i would say he got those over the net, So just as well as he didnt obtain 90 round drum mags.

But yeah thats a great place to start
I understand at least one of the Victims died while trying to disarm him.
So anyone caught with the larger mags should get at least a year in the company of NZ prison systems finest.
Even in the USA the police learnt real quick they were able to outgunned in the north Hollyword shooting.
This lead to changes to prevent a repeat of police having to go to a gun shop to get appropriate weapons.

carbonhed

19th March 2019, 17:56

Yip but i would say he got those over the net, So just as well as he didnt obtain 90 round drum mags.

But yeah thats a great place to start
I understand at least one of the Victims died while trying to disarm him.
So anyone caught with the larger mags should get at least a year in the company of NZ prison systems finest.
Even in the USA the police learnt real quick they were able to outgunned in the north Hollyword shooting.
This lead to changes to prevent a repeat of police having to go to a gun shop to get appropriate weapons.

I believe you can readily buy them here but you're not supposed to use them if you've got a Cat A license because it's like really, really, really naughty.

husaberg

19th March 2019, 18:04

I believe you can readily buy them here but you're not supposed to use them if you've got a Cat A license because it's like really, really, really naughty.

I seen that on the news also as i was leaving that and the parts to turn them into full assault rifle spec and likely also the parts needed to make them full auto.
Massive loophole and very disappointing
I see Gun city were selling the parts i assumed you needed to hold the right cat or be out of the country etc.
I only caught part of it but was the gun city guy saying the 2 Semi autos were from elsewhere?

My Brother has always collected guns and he told me years ago it was simple to turn a SLR into full auto just a correctly placed matchstick.
I wouldn't fancy trying one on Full auto they are a handful as they are.
Not sure if its an urban legend or not.
But he has a proper secure bunker style magazine to protect his weapons.
But i know the military keeps track of all the mags.
I found a Streyr mag one day after an exercise they were bloody relieved i handed it back as those that lose them face a charge.

Looking at this
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-r-0057.htm
It seems 22 Cal Semi autos are not used in the states for mass killings as the only 22 were mostly handguns.

pete376403

19th March 2019, 18:35

My Brother has always collected guns and he told me years ago it was simple to turn a SLR into full auto just a correctly placed matchstick.
I wouldn't fancy trying one on Full auto they are a handful as they are.
Not sure if its an urban legend or not.

Brings back memories of being in the Territorials (1972 or thereabouts) and hearing the very same story (matchstick).
We were shown a full auto SLR being fired - from a prone position and the rifle was on a bipod. It had a much thicker barrel than the standard SLRs we were issued with.

husaberg

19th March 2019, 19:03

Brings back memories of being in the Territorials (1972 or thereabouts) and hearing the very same story (matchstick).
We were shown a full auto SLR being fired - from a prone position and the rifle was on a bipod. It had a much thicker barrel than the standard SLRs we were issued with.

Yeah here in the late 80's at least they still had a 308 version of the WW2 Bren for that, only 30 shots though.
It was bloody heavy. Even compared to a SLR.
We used to do the target practice for the young ones with a 22 short chambered 303 lee enfields. As the full scale kit was a bit loud for the indoor range.
It was an interesting assortment with the M16s and SLRs. old Brens the Laws and i think Browning 9mm.
I guess they keep all that sort of kit for the territorials cadets and ATC and so forth or what do they do with them?
The Argentinians had Full auto FN Fals, proper boots, plus bigger mags that they never had to carry a full kit including ammo over half the island, it never did them any good.

TheDemonLord

19th March 2019, 20:38

I seen that on the news also as i was leaving that and the parts to turn them into full assult rifle spec and lkely also th =e parts needed to make them full auto.

Pretty much Impossible in NZ

You'd need a Milspec Bolt Carrier group.
a Milspec Lower receiver (so a one that both didn't have the material inserts to prevent the use of an Auto-Sear and one that allowed the fire selector to be rotated to the full auto position).

Those 2 items are okay, although the Receiver would require an Import permit. The issue is with the 2 other items needed:

You'd need an Auto-Sear, either a RDIAS or a Lightning link or similar - Good luck trying to import that into NZ.
And you'd need a Full-Auto trigger group - again, good luck trying to import that into NZ

Looking at this
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-r-0057.htm
It seems 22 Cal Semi autos are not used in the states for mass killings as the only 22 were mostly handguns.

You have a Short Memory - does the song 'I don't like Mondays' ring a bell?

husaberg

19th March 2019, 20:46

Pretty much Impossible in NZ

You'd need a Milspec Bolt Carrier group.
a Milspec Lower receiver (so a one that both didn't have the material inserts to prevent the use of an Auto-Sear and one that allowed the fire selector to be rotated to the full auto position).

Those 2 items are okay, although the Receiver would require an Import permit. The issue is with the 2 other items needed:

You'd need an Auto-Sear, either a RDIAS or a Lightning link or similar - Good luck trying to import that into NZ.
And you'd need a Full-Auto trigger group - again, good luck trying to import that into NZ

You have a Short Memory - does the song 'I don't like Mondays' ring a bell?

I took you off ignore to say this.
When do you intend to go back to pushing the same anti islamic crap you were peddling on here a few months ago.
You remember it is the exact same shit this killer was also peddling.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/186715-quot-Kiwi-jihadi-quot-feels-quot-stabbed-in-the-back-quot?p=1131127928#post1131127928
Its the same recepie but just a different flavour as tripe Oldie peddles and as did Akzle before him.
Does it give you a warm glow knowing you did your part to reinforce these attitudes?
In some ways it worse than oldie and Akzle as you i thought had a modicum of common sense.

Laava

19th March 2019, 20:59

Pretty much Impossible in NZ

You'd need a Milspec Bolt Carrier group.
a Milspec Lower receiver (so a one that both didn't have the material inserts to prevent the use of an Auto-Sear and one that allowed the fire selector to be rotated to the full auto position).

Those 2 items are okay, although the Receiver would require an Import permit. The issue is with the 2 other items needed:

You'd need an Auto-Sear, either a RDIAS or a Lightning link or similar - Good luck trying to import that into NZ.
And you'd need a Full-Auto trigger group - again, good luck trying to import that into NZ

You have a Short Memory - does the song 'I don't like Mondays' ring a bell?
you are aware that you can just mail order things and they can come thru the post unchecked? Like pistols and knives etc? Gun parts would be even easier. Our RD postie delivered a pistol to a guy near the Kauri Fonterra plant and then he got busted with it in a seperate offence.

FJRider

19th March 2019, 21:31

My Brother has always collected guns and he told me years ago it was simple to turn a SLR into full auto just a correctly placed matchstick.
I wouldn't fancy trying one on Full auto they are a handful as they are.
Not sure if its an urban legend or not.

But i know the military keeps track of all the mags.
I found a Streyr mag one day after an exercise they were bloody relieved i handed it back as those that lose them face a charge.

I'm ex Regular force army. The matchstick does work. Ruins a good matchstick. (it doesn't last long). However this practice is not recommended as (1) SLR's only have an 18 round (in general practice) mag and you run out of ammo pretty quickly. You can get 20 in but they can jam in the mag. (2) On auto is VERY inaccurate. (3) 2-3 mags on auto the barrel heats up and rounds can jam in the barrel. SLR barrels are not easily changed as in the Heavy barreled SLR. Thus ... it can be done. But ... like swimming Cook straight ... hardly practical.

If you knew an armorer ... lost mags were not an issue.