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jellywrestler

15th March 2019, 16:19

Laava

15th March 2019, 16:29

Yep, heard a whole lot of things so far that may or may not be true. Someone guessed it was white supremists, and then that gets followed up by, the police haven't confirmed at this stage. Making it sound like news.

Katman

15th March 2019, 16:45

so it's a couple of hours after a bit of a shoot up in chch

Dude, stick to commentating on motorcycle racing.

FJRider

15th March 2019, 16:52

so it's a couple of hours after a bit of a shoot up in chch, tough day for nz but how come various media outlets are saying between 7 and 27 dead, seems to be they have a long way to go to having any sort of accuracy before commenting especially in a serious incident such as this.

Reporting one person dead (in a mass shooting) wont make the top of the news. Police wont say much until they have too. NZ News and accuracy are seldom mentioned in the same sentence.

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 17:10

Dude, stick to commentating on motorcycle racing.

Dude, stick to . . . What the fuck is it you actually do that's beneficial?
Don't you just love people that start a sentence with "dude" that's why I did it, the need to be condescending.

Katman

15th March 2019, 17:19

Dude, stick to . . . What the fuck is it you actually do that's beneficial?
Don't you just love people that start a sentence with "dude" that's why I did it, the need to be condescending.

No wonder you got your head smacked in by a woman.

Fuckwit.

jim.cox

15th March 2019, 17:21

NZ News and accuracy are seldom mentioned in the same sentence.

Aint that the truth?

I've been finding the Grauniad's coverage significantly better than any thing local...

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 17:28

No wonder you got your head smacked in by a woman.

Fuckwit.

Fuck, id forgotten that i got a smack from a retard for fixing her bike & then asking for 2% of what it cost me over ten years ago.
Well done you.

Katman

15th March 2019, 17:29

Fuck, id forgotten that i got a smack from a retard for fixing her bike & then asking for 2% of what it cost me over ten years ago
Well done you.

That'll be due to the injury you suffered.

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 17:31

That'll be due to the injury you suffered.

But i didnt get an injury. It was only her self worth that took a hiding.

Katman

15th March 2019, 17:33

But i didnt get an injury. It was only her self worth that took a hiding.

I'm sure your self esteem took a well deserved blow.

Trade_nancy

15th March 2019, 17:46

You retards should fucking shut up with your bickering....more important shit than your ego to worry about..

Katman

15th March 2019, 17:53

You retards should fucking shut up with your bickering....more important shit than your ego to worry about..

Get fucked. I'll bicker with any fuckwit who chooses to minimise today's event.

scott411

15th March 2019, 18:02

whos to blame? the media who created 24 hour news cycle, or the general population that wants to to know everything right now,

would anyone click on the link that said nothing until tomorrow when the offical death toll is released?

RIP to those that died today, i thought NZ was better than this shit,

Katman

15th March 2019, 18:04

RIP to those that died today, i thought NZ was better than this shit,

New Zealand clearly has it's own fair share of fuckwits.

FJRider

15th March 2019, 18:08

New Zealand clearly has it's own fair share of fuckwits.

The report I heard on the news at six was that an Aussie was involved.

Katman

15th March 2019, 18:12

The report I heard on the news at six was that an Aussie was involved.

I'm talking about the fuckwits who are minimisng the event on this thread.

I'd hoped you'd have the skerrick of intelligence to realise that.

Thanks for disappointing me.

FJRider

15th March 2019, 18:17

I'm talking about the fuckwits who are minimisng the event on this thread.

I'd hoped you'd have the skerrick of intelligence to realise that.

Thanks for disappointing me.

My pleasure ... if it irk's you I'll try it ... :lol:

scott411

15th March 2019, 18:42

New Zealand clearly has it's own fair share of fuckwits.

your not wrong,
unfortunately

pete376403

15th March 2019, 18:58

40 dead, more wounded - "bit of a shootup". Jeez. And the Police have to be very careful about what information they release in case some shithouse lawyer claims their clients chance of a fair trial was jeopardised.

Scuba_Steve

15th March 2019, 19:53

RIP to those that died today, i thought NZ was better than this shit,

From what I've heard we are... But the twats from Ozzy Land can't keep it in their own country

AllanB

15th March 2019, 20:03

City has gone to shit :facepalm:

Tell you what though the Christchurch police were on the game and in force very quickly. Full credit to them.

Laava

15th March 2019, 20:32

Ginge09

15th March 2019, 20:34

It makes sense operationally for the Police to hold their cards close to the chest. They are dealing with a chaotic situation.

The media grab knowledge from where they can and chuck enough out there to keep the people watching. They have to walk the line between true reporting and sensationalism but I'm not sure our media do that very well.

Sad news but. Christchurch didn't need another kick in the slats.

The NZDF seemed to get the bombs or whatever they were sorted out quickly. Go them.

caseye

15th March 2019, 20:38

I'm no Labour supporter, but today, Jacinda showed herself to be a caring and well informed PM. She's right, these people are US!
Nothing else matters, we must show all NZérs the same respect and caring we've always shown to our fellow man.
Katman, take a bow, you nailed it, and some , again don't like it, just because you said it, they can go get fucked! I'm with you.

AllanB

15th March 2019, 20:44

I thought our PM showed what she was made of today. Impressed. Also our news readers had to cope with reading out some appalling shit today. More than one or two of them struggling to keep it together incl Jacinda. Not over yet people...

Agree re the PM and I've been known to bitch about her throwing fairy dust about in the past. She has been quite the statesman (stateswoman?) today and gone up in my estimate.

buggerit

15th March 2019, 20:45

New Zealand clearly has it's own fair share of fuckwits.

:whistle ............

Murray

15th March 2019, 20:46

so it's a couple of hours after a bit of a shoot up in chch, tough day for nz but how come various media outlets are saying between 7 and 27 dead, seems to be they have a long way to go to having any sort of accuracy before commenting especially in a serious incident such as this.

Yep they got it wrong!! However they got it more right than your "bit of a shoot up". Shooting off at the mouth a bit early, without any accuracy.

Sad day in NZ!!!

sidecar bob

15th March 2019, 20:48

New Zealand clearly has it's own fair share of fuckwits.

Yep, you double the amount simply by breathing.

Murray

15th March 2019, 20:49

Yep, you double the amount simply by breathing.

Thats not fair on the other person out there!!!

Murray

15th March 2019, 20:53

TheDemonLord

15th March 2019, 20:58

The NZ Police did a sterling job (even though the Shooter in his Manifesto stated he would not attack the Police), Jacinda did an absolutely sterling job, St Johns did a Sterling job, The Hospital staff that will be pulling super-human hours are also doing a Sterling job.

There are some very interesting conversations to come, especially around whether certain groups will use this to further their agenda/viewpoint.

Final thoughts - I'm critical of certain tenants and sects within Islam, some people have equated my critique as being synonymous with the views espoused by the Shooter - so I want to say this to both be crystal clear and to show on what points of principle I stand:

This was a Horrid attack, against defenseless people (One brave man did manage to tackle the shooter, before being shot - presumably he is amongst the fatalities - if so, he deserves a George Cross Medal), pre-meditated and viscous. It is as Vile and Repugnant as any other Terrorist attack and deserves condemnation of the highest order.

Hafidaka Allah, Aaanaka Allah.

jasonu

16th March 2019, 02:25

It's not so funny when it happens in your own back yard.

SaferRides

16th March 2019, 03:29

It's not so funny when it happens in your own back yard.No. Very sad day.

jellywrestler

16th March 2019, 14:04

Yep they got it wrong!! However they got it more right than your "bit of a shoot up". Shooting off at the mouth a bit early, without any accuracy.

Sad day in NZ!!!

clearly the words i chose seem to be making it almost a trivial event, it was not, it was early in the peice and i was getting frustrated with the vast differences they were reporting, would rather they said nothing on numbers to be honest, then i went bush for a day or so with no internaughty to correct it, it's a dark period for nz, not to be trivialised.

pritch

16th March 2019, 20:49

i was getting frustrated with the vast differences they were reporting, would rather they said nothing on numbers to be honest,

You were not alone. Normally I'm a news junkie but last night and today I've been avoiding the news. It isn't a New Zealand phenomenon, it's international. Early on after any major drama or tragedy there are few or no details available, but they feel the need to keep talking even though there is nothing to say.

jasonu

18th March 2019, 03:10

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This is an incident we never anticipated. I think the rest has been said.

Welcome to the rest of the world.

YellowDog

18th March 2019, 08:07

Welcome to the rest of the world.

Pretty shocked by the entire episode. Targeting innocent people going about a regular peaceful activity.

As a matter of scale, a similar attack in the UK, would equate to around 700 people dead. If it were in the USA, the number would be almost 3,500. That’s more than the death toll from the tragic events of September 11th, 2001. Yes I know it is not a competition, but my point is that this is huge for NZ.

Everyone will know someone affected. Might be a good time to call up an old mate, work colleague, family member etc. to let them know they are in your thoughts.

jellywrestler

18th March 2019, 09:49

Pretty shocked by the entire episode. Targeting innocent people going about a regular peaceful activity.

As a matter of scale, a similar attack in the UK, would equate to around 700 people dead. If it were in the USA, the number would be almost 3,500. That’s more than the death toll from the tragic events of September 11th, 2001. Yes I know it is not a competition, but my point is that this is huge for NZ.
it matters little whether there five or fifty, it's the principle, i've seen facebook posts stating the equivalent in america, there is no relevance it's just someone making up a meme

YellowDog

18th March 2019, 22:03

it matters little whether there five or fifty, it's the principle, i've seen facebook posts stating the equivalent in america, there is no relevance it's just someone making up a meme

Agreed. Just trying to put it into perspective. Everyone will know of someone. Far harder hitting, when it is so close to home.

jellywrestler

22nd March 2019, 18:15

Woodman

22nd March 2019, 18:52

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215110

so they claim bishop tamaki 'slams' the call to prayer, he wasn't keen on it but is that a good choice of words from our esteemed media?
Tamaki fucks sheep and only male sheep. Tamaki is a gay sheep fucker.

jellywrestler

22nd March 2019, 19:11

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215110

these people call it strongly denouncing....

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 19:13

Tamaki fucks sheep and only male sheep. Tamaki is a gay sheep fucker.

How long before he stands for parliament again would he have enough sheep?
He got 14,000 votes in 2005.
Act only had 13,000 party votes in 2017.
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Actually surprising he didn't become a Freemason.

You have to love his christian modesty
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Pretty sure lusting after himself is a sin of some sort

pete376403

22nd March 2019, 19:21

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215110

so they claim bishop tamaki 'slams' the call to prayer, he wasn't keen on it but is that a good choice of words from our esteemed media?
Tamaki doesn't know his bible. Jesus was never "god", the claim is he was the son of god. The muslims version is more accurate, they say jesus was a prophet, just as was mahommad.

Laava

22nd March 2019, 20:02

Tamaki doesn't know his bible. Jesus was never "god", the claim is he was the son of god. The muslims version is more accurate, they say jesus was a prophet, just as was mahommad.
Lol! "Accurate"

jasonu

23rd March 2019, 02:34

MarkH

23rd March 2019, 04:31

You cunts are stuck with the toothy hag for at least another term. This episode was timed perfectly and has worked out really well for her.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12215416

'America Deserves a Leader as Good as Jacinda Ardern'

No they don't. Cunts that vote in Trump get Trump - America got the leader they deserve.

Madness

23rd March 2019, 10:45

You cunts are stuck with the toothy hag for at least another term. This episode was timed perfectly and has worked out really well for her.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12215416

I know I’m pretty stoked about that. Hopefully it’ll help keep ex-pat cunts like yourself away a bit longer

Swoop

23rd March 2019, 20:11

Lol! "Accurate"
Yeah.
Ban all fairy-stories with genocidal, imaginary sky pixies and the world would be a much better place.

Jim Jeffries analogy of "society as a train" is brilliant.

pritch

24th March 2019, 15:07

No they don't. Cunts that vote in Trump get Trump - America got the leader they deserve.

We have to cut them some slack, about three million more people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump.

Murray

24th March 2019, 19:45

We have to cut them some slack, about three million more people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump.

That was a 2 horse race. I think you may find a higher percentage of NZ population voted against Ms Adern than for her!

husaberg

24th March 2019, 20:19

That was a 2 horse race. I think you may find a higher percentage of NZ population voted against Ms Adern than for her!

No Murray thats completely false
As NZ vots for MP or parties not leaders.
The only time that vote for the individuals is when they also stand as electorate MP's.

That said Jacinda stood in Botany and got 77% of the vote, National never even bothered to stand a candidate against her.
Bill English was a list MP. so he got zero. he had previously iven up his seat to a guy that left under some pretty dubious circumstances.

If you use Simonnn Beeridges as a comparison he got 54% vs 26% of the labour candidate for towelwonga.:niceone:

Swoop

24th March 2019, 20:50

As NZ vots for MP or parties not leaders.
After all the bullshit spouted here about the "empty smiles" of Key, the exact same can be said regarding Taxcinda. Easy votes from the gullible and uneducated though. A "Cult of personality" comes to mind too.

husaberg

24th March 2019, 21:53

After all the bullshit spouted here about the "empty smiles" of Key, the exact same can be said regarding Taxcinda. Easy votes from the gullible and uneducated though. A "Cult of personality" comes to mind too.

John key was a vapid hollow shell he was was known to boast how when he worked for the now bankrupt Merrill Lynch laying of hundreds of people never effected him personally. There is a name for that its called a psychopathic personality.
His legacy was 250,000 kids living in poverty? Selling justice for few million for the Pike River, Privatising parts of some major electricity companies and costing us billions? Running up Crown debt from $10 billion to $93 billion?
I will take Jacindas decisiveness and empathy over keys smirks polytail pulling and total denial of problems like NZ housing crisis and under funding of healthcare.
John Key a man who was prime minister of a country for 8 years who says his biggest regret was the loss of life not the pike river tragedy or the CHCH earthquakes or the fact that under Key the number of unsolved sex crimes has doubled, no its was not being able to change the flag.

SaferRides

25th March 2019, 03:59

Watched Sunday on TV1 last night. What I don't like is how all of NZ is being blamed now because we're a bunch of Islamophobic racists. While that may be true to some extent, it's not the reason why 50 people died in Christchurch.

jellywrestler

25th March 2019, 08:44

Watched Sunday on TV1 last night. What I don't like is how all of NZ is being blamed now because we're a bunch of Islamophobic racists. this whole incident has brought about a lot of discussion, i asked my mrs when is the last time she dealt with a muslim, or even talked to one at any level, pretty rare. i deal with a few through work, they rarely seem to be easy to warm to and often treat me like i'm shit, it's not hard to figure out whose not prepared to mix and mingle and understandable why they mostly stand isolated from others.
not a reason for the chch thing but then in some minds it is sadly, that's the world and different people.

Madness

25th March 2019, 10:05

Easy votes from the gullible and uneducated though.

While National appeals to the selfish and intolerant who consider themselves “educated”. Go eat a bag of dicks.

Ocean1

25th March 2019, 15:13

husaberg

25th March 2019, 15:29

After all the bullshit spouted here about the "empty smiles" of Key, the exact same can be said regarding Taxcinda. Easy votes from the gullible and uneducated though. A "Cult of personality" comes to mind too.

It's even simpler than that: they're thieving cunts, you'd have to be either a loser benefiting from that theft or a fucking idiot to have anything to do with the pricks.

I just figured out why you are moaning so hard about the tax increases
It turns out both of you must be too poor to afford the average extra $51 per person in the year to 2019 (population of 4.9 million) and $162 in the year to 2022 (projected population of 5.3 million).
You must be a real bunch of no hoppers if you cant afford that especially considering
Its actually less than that as That includes the Regional fuel tax that only Aucklanders pay.

Of course National government introduced 18 tax increases since 2008.
Under funed health care by billions of dollars
Ran up the national debt by 83 Billion dollars
Never contributed to the National super fund for everyones retirement.
Yet still managed to produced a budget deficit 8 out of 9 years they were in power
Key promised promised to make housing more affordable, in 2008 the median house price in Auckland was six times the median household income. Today it is nine times.
Key set a target for exports of goods and services of 40 per cent of GDP, up from 30 per cent when he came to office. Today, exports are just 27 per cent of GDP.

Brett

25th March 2019, 16:11

Well, based on the recent turn of events, we can all look forward mightily to the introduction of a capital gains tax on 01 April 2021. Jacinda now appears to be numero uno leader of the free world, popularity seems sky high and thus a second term looking more likely. My only hope then: if they are going to put a CGT in place, let it be on every fucking thing people own - including their own homes. Let every bastard who votes them in feel the burn, including the strong inflationary pressures that drive up costs and reduce spending power.

There is no excusing that the Chch shooting incident was horrific and deplorable, but people are now caught in an emotional wave around their prime minister and mistakenly attributing national leadership capability (and understanding) to her based on her reasonable statesmanship around a tragic event. These are mutually exclusive skill sets. But, the sheep like to follow things that are shiny and glittery. Even if it is over a cliff.

R650R

25th March 2019, 16:20

I will take Jacindas decisiveness and empathy over keys smirks polytail pulling and total denial of problems like NZ housing crisis and under funding of healthcare.
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Let’s Tax this just bought my neighbours house for 474k in HB. Was nothing wrong with it but their agents have spent 10-15k on needless upgrades to it. Like taking out a perfectly good gas caluphont and installing an outdoor HWC....
Meanwhile some hardworking couple prob just got priced and outbid by the Govt again... isn’t that just fantastic....

husaberg

25th March 2019, 16:35

Let’s Tax this just bought my neighbours house for 474k in HB. Was nothing wrong with it but their agents have spent 10-15k on needless upgrades to it. Like taking out a perfectly good gas caluphont and installing an outdoor HWC....
Meanwhile some hardworking couple prob just got priced and outbid by the Govt again... isn’t that just fantastic....

John key was putting people up in motels he was also buying motels , so whats your point?
they were spending $140,000 a day on emergency accommodation."
National sold off 10,000 state houses in this period.
At the same time they sold off 10,000 state houses and pocketed the money
Would you rather they did That?

roogazza

25th March 2019, 17:04

I try to avoid the 'News' if I can ,but reading that a few suggest The Tooth Fairy be in line for a Nobel Peace prize !!!!!!!

I was thinking maybe an 'Oscar' would be more appropriate ?? :msn-wink:

sidecar bob

25th March 2019, 17:07

I try to avoid the 'News' if I can ,but reading that a few suggest The Tooth Fairy be in line for a Nobel Peace prize !!!!!!!

I was thinking maybe an 'Oscar' would be more appropriate ?? :msn-wink:

Seriously what the actual fuck?
She showed up, she read a speech written by someone else dressed in the clothing of a religon she dosent belong to.
I agree she should be getting an oscar, not a nobel prize.

husaberg

25th March 2019, 17:10

I try to avoid the 'News' if I can ,but reading that a few suggest The Tooth Fairy be in line for a Nobel Peace prize !!!!!!!

I was thinking maybe an 'Oscar' would be more appropriate ?? :msn-wink:

Last time a bloke Pm was in the world news was for this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz-bCfbQRs0

Ocean1

25th March 2019, 18:08

Seriously what the actual fuck?
She showed up, she read a speech written by someone else dressed in the clothing of a religon she dosent belong to.
I agree she should be getting an oscar, not a nobel prize.

Oh the scarf is probably appropriate, but yes the rest of the act looks horribly like typical social justice warrior point scoring, a virtue signaling opportunity not to be wasted.

Laava

25th March 2019, 18:23

Oh the scarf is probably appropriate, but yes the rest of the act looks horribly like typical social justice warrior point scoring, a virtue signaling opportunity not to be wasted.
Now imagine Simon Bridges in that same role? *shudder!*

husaberg

25th March 2019, 18:29

Seriously what the actual fuck?
She showed up, she read a speech written by someone else dressed in the clothing of a religon she dosent belong to.
I agree she should be getting an oscar, not a nobel prize.
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Drew

25th March 2019, 18:50

Swoop

25th March 2019, 19:03

John key was a vapid hollow shell he was was known to boast how when he worked for ...
At least he worked and was not just a speech writer for Tony Blair... another failed looney.

You must be a real bunch of no hoppers
I had a moon hopper as a kid. Does that count?

... dressed in the clothing of a religon she dosent belong to.
I agree she should be getting an oscar, not a nobel prize.
Presumably she happily supports the religion, where mutilating females is a requirement?

husaberg

25th March 2019, 19:13

At least he worked and was not just a speech writer for Tony Blair... another failed looney.

I had a moon hopper as a kid. Does that count?

Presumably she happily supports the religion, where mutilating females is a requirement?

John key traded options of currency, he also was high up in a company that went broke due to the path it was his ideas to follow.
Jacinda wasnt a speach writer she was a senior policy adviser.
She used volunteered in a soup kitchen in New York.

Funny a nation a supporter would even mention religion after all that what the basic reason is with national God before country aye.

Swoop

25th March 2019, 19:18

She used volunteered in a soup kitchen in New York.
Totally overqualified to run an actual country then...:rolleyes:

the basic reason is with national God before country aye.
A poor attempt from a fervent leftist. Surely you meant to say "Corporations before Country"?

What retards genuinely believe in an actual genocidal sky-pixie?

Ocean1

25th March 2019, 19:28

Drew

25th March 2019, 19:30

At least he worked and was not just a speech writer for Tony Blair... another failed looney.

I had a moon hopper as a kid. Does that count?

Presumably she happily supports the religion, where mutilating females is a requirement?
Ah, a clueless scaremonger.

The Muslim faith requires no such thing these days, and it wasn't ever mainstream back In ye olden days.

Though it is abhorrent as a practice of course, it's fucken rare.

Prolly not as rare as you having an original thought though.

Drew

25th March 2019, 19:32

So take your mirror and shove it, I'll reproach them to whatever extent they deserve to be reproached.

Think you mean. '...whatever extent I choose to reproach, that suits my agenda best'.

husaberg

25th March 2019, 19:44

What retards genuinely believe in an actual genocidal sky-pixie?

Oh just the last 4 national Prime ministers. and their current leader for at least the next few days anyway.

Simon Bridges' father was a Baptist minister and he is a practicing Christian. Bridges said he voted in line with his Christian values.
Bill English is a practising Roman Catholic.
2008 Key stated that he attended church frequently with his children.
Jenny Shipley Shipley states her religion is important to her and Here father was a parson.
Jim Bolger was born into an Irish Catholic family and like the national party has opposed bills on religious grounds

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husaberg

25th March 2019, 19:53

Well, in the case of a lot of aging white blokes It's born of a lifetime of having socialists steal their money.
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Is that because you are too poor to afford he average extra $51 per person in the year to 2019 (population of 4.9 million) and $162 in the year to 2022. you will have to stump up with to fund out healthcare and education system that you clearly need and didnt make enough use of.
You life cant be that much of a sucess if you would miss that trifling amount of money.
Its actually less as that as those figures ncludes the Auckland fuel surcharge.

Do you need for us to have a whip around so you can afford a G&T at teh bows club ocean.

Ocean1

25th March 2019, 20:11

Think you mean. '...whatever extent I choose to reproach, that suits my agenda best'.

My agenda is reproaching thieves.

If you don't agree with me don't presume to tell me I mean something other than what I said, give me a reason you don't agree.

Drew

25th March 2019, 20:21

My agenda is reproaching thieves.

If you don't agree with me don't presume to tell me I mean something other than what I said, give me a reason you don't agree.

Pfft, "thieves". That's why I won't bother with a debate.

husaberg

25th March 2019, 20:29

My agenda is reproaching thieves.

If you don't agree with me don't presume to tell me I mean something other than what I said, give me a reason you don't agree.

1. Mike Sabin 2015
National Party MP Mike Sabin resigns from parliament "due to personal issues that were best dealt with outside Parliament"
one month after it is revealed that he is under investigation by police for assault.

2. Maurice Williamson 1 May, 2014
Maurice Williamson has resigned as a Minister.
It follows Herald revelations he contacted a top ranking police officer after a wealthy businessman with close ties to him was arrested on domestic violence charges.
The Prime Minister's office is understood to have also questioned Mr Williamson over his involvement with Donghua Liu's criminal case.
The public had been made aware that Mr Williamson contacted Police some time ago regarding their investigation of Mr Donghua Liu,"

3. Aaron Gilmore - 2013
The National list MP was forced to resign after allegations that he verbally abused a waiter at a Hamner Springs hotel for refusing to serve his dinner party more wine. Photo / Mark Mitchell He was put under further pressure a few days later when it was revealed that he had been warned about sending inappropriate emails while working at a government department. He showed his remorse when he announced his decision, saying "finally, I want to apologise once again to all those people who I've let down with my behaviour. I'm determined to learn from those lessons as I continue my life with more grace and humility."

4. Nick Smith - 2012
National MP Dr Nick Smith resigned from his Cabinet portfolios in an emotional statement to the media in March 2012. He was under immense pressure to resign following revelations that he had intervened in his friend and National Party activist Bronwyn Pullar's ACC claim while he had been the ACC Minister. Dr Smith had used his ministerial letterhead to advance Pullar's ACC claims. "I'm disappointed I'm not going to be able to continue my work in some of those areas I have a passion," he said. "But I apologise to all my fellow representatives for those misjudgments."

5. Darren Hughes - 2011
Photo / Mark Mitchell Labour MP Darren Hughes resigned two days after it was revealed he was subject to a complaint - believed to be of a sexual nature - from an 18-year old student. Then Labour leader Phil Goff announced Hughes' resignation, saying that the "controversy around the allegations made against him had made it impossible to carry out his duties." Hughes said that he had "enormous respect for the institution of Parliament" and was not prepared to see his party "distracted in the lead up to a critical election."

6. Phil Heatley - 2010
National MP Phil Heatley resigned his Housing and Fisheries portfolios after it was made public that he had misused his Ministerial credit card. There were claims he had used money for two bottles of wine after already been warned in 2009 for claiming $1,000 a week in accommodation expenses after moving into a larger home when he became minister, while renting out his apartment. "I have absolutely no desire to become the focus of a distraction for this Government, which has much to do to grow the economy, invest in jobs and help Kiwis get ahead,"

7. Pansy Wong - 2010
Photo / Marty Melville National Party Minister Pansy Wong stepped down from her role as a Cabinet minister after it was revealed that her husband could have conducted private business while on a taxpayer-subsidised overseas trip to China in 2008. A month later, Wong resigned as MP for Botany, saying that the furore had made her reflect on her future and how much her family had paid because of her political pursuits. "I want to ensure the National-led Government can progress its agenda without unnecessary distractions," she announced at a media conference in Wellington.

8. David Garrett - 2010
Act Party MP David Garrett was forced to resign from his role after he was charged with forging a document using details from a two-year-old boy's headstone in 1984. Using the details, he allegedly obtained the boy's birth certificate and filled in a passport application form, photographing himself in disguise. He was arrested 21 years later, but he denied the allegations and was discharged without conviction when it went to court. "I can do nothing to change the past. For any number of reasons, I wish I had not done such a stupid and dreadfully hurtful thing in 1984," he said in a media statement.

9. Richard Worth - 2009
National Party list MP, Dr Richard Worth entered Parliament as the MP for Epsom in 1999. His career was fraught with drama. In 2002 he skipped a Maori Battalion service to make a visit to Cairo to see the pyramids and take a camel ride while on an official trip. In 2009 there were reports of a private trip to India promoting aviation training in New Zealand, while having an interest in an academy. Later in the year there were allegations he visited a taxi driver who had allegedly been attacked by a group - one of whom was the son of an acquaintance. The following month there was a serious sexual allegation from an Auckland business woman. He resigned as a Cabinet Minister and a few weeks later as a list MP. "I went into politics to make a contribution to New Zealand. I can see that it is no longer possible for me to do that through politics, so I am now choosing to follow another positive path," his said in his resignation statement.

10. Donna Awatere Huata
ACT Party MP Donna Awatere Huata is convicted on fraud charges involving a trust set up to help underprivileged Maori children

Ocean1

25th March 2019, 20:34

Pfft, "thieves". That's why I won't bother with a debate.

What, you have a definition for "thieves" different from the rest of us?

Or do you just think some sorts of theft are OK?

Brett

25th March 2019, 21:32

The cynicism is strong here.

Perhaps, it's born of...guilt...apathy...ignorance?

Only people I've seen whinging about the events since the attack, are aging white folk. Mostly blokes, but the women of that generation tend to just parrot their husbands anyway.

Y'all wanna take a good long look in the fucken mirror, and check yourselves. Policy aside, her actions in the last week and a half are beyond reproach. Why tear her down for being the absolute best of us? It's not all her of course, there is a team coming up with ideas for what to do. That still doesn't take away from it.

Guilt...apathy...ignorance? How about pure fucking frustration at the ineptitude of those that are supposed to lead our nation. The only real action that she has taken is to reclassify some of the Arms Act to widen the classification of MSSA weapons. Yes, she has spoken empathetically and well - that does not by any stretch of the imagination make her the best of us. There are some folk out there who go well beyond simple words in making a difference every day. They sacrifice and lead in example by doing. That's not to take away frmo the good Jacinda has done, but rather to emphasise that she has a long way to go before being worthy of a Nobel fucking Peace Award. That also doesn't make up for the umpteen other ways that her tribe are leading us down the garden path.

Oh...yeah I am white and male, but by all accounts, I should be her ideal demographic. I will concede that politics is a tough game. There will be haters regardless, simply because they are on opposing sides. That's the gig with politics and I am sure Jacinda is aware of that...she has spent her entire working career as a politician after all.

husaberg

25th March 2019, 21:49

Guilt...apathy...ignorance? How about pure fucking frustration at the ineptitude of those that are supposed to lead our nation. The only real action that she has taken is to reclassify some of the Arms Act to widen the classification of MSSA weapons. .

Which was exactly what was recomended by the comitteee chosen by national chaired by national recommended that the previous goverment do. Also against the police opinion as well.
Turned out Paula bennet jhst like Jum Bolger when he didnt include Easily big mag converted AR15's and SKS and other thought they knew better.

Police Minister Paula Bennett consulted with independent firearms experts, and accepted seven recommendations, but rejected 12.
But Police Association president Chris Cahill said it was an "opportunity missed".
"The culture in New Zealand should allow use of firearms safely, but also the right balance of safety, security, and knowledge of what's out there.
"It's very frustrating the opportunity was missed earlier this year, and you know what it's going to take to bring it on the table again, and unfortunately that's a tragedy."
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-response-firearms-select-committee-report

After the Aramoana massacre in November 1990, John Banks, the Minister for Police, announced that the government would ban what he and others described as "Rambo-style" weapons and substantially tighten gun laws generally. The law was eventually passed in 1992 and required written permits to order guns or ammunition by mail order, restricted ammunition sales to firearms licence holders, added photographs to firearms licences, required licence holders to have secure storage for firearms at their homes (which would be inspected before a licence was issued), and, controversially, required all licence holders to be re-vetted for new licences, which would be valid for only 10 years.

The law also created the new category of "military-style semi-automatic", which like the Federal Assault Weapons Ban two years later in the United States, mainly covered the appearance rather than the functionality of the guns. These required a special endorsement, security and registration in the same manner as pistols, but could be used wherever A-category guns could.

TheDemonLord

25th March 2019, 22:12

The cynicism is strong here.

Perhaps, it's born of...guilt...apathy...ignorance?

Only people I've seen whinging about the events since the attack, are aging white folk. Mostly blokes, but the women of that generation tend to just parrot their husbands anyway.

Y'all wanna take a good long look in the fucken mirror, and check yourselves. Policy aside, her actions in the last week and a half are beyond reproach. Why tear her down for being the absolute best of us? It's not all her of course, there is a team coming up with ideas for what to do. That still doesn't take away from it.

Just a question:

Is there a country, that predominantly isn't run by 'aging white folk' that you'd rather live in?

If there isn't, may I suggest that some of the principles that those 'aging white folk' have (which incidentally have nothing to do with their skin colour) may in fact work rather well (as evidenced by the fact you don't live in those other countries) and maybe the reason they are 'whinging' is because of people taking actions that are in direct opposition to those principles?

Also, those 'Aging White Folk' lived through the Cold War, and got to see first hand the results of the Socialist/Communist experiments.

I'm going out on a limb here and suggesting those 2 things might give someone a valid reason to be critical, and that it's got nothing to do with Ethnicity, Gender or any other attributes on the Social Justice totempole.

Swoop

26th March 2019, 20:31

The Muslim faith requires no such thing these days, and it wasn't ever mainstream back In ye olden days.
But still exists and is practiced (sadly), by this franchise of looney god-botherers.

Oh just the last 4 national Prime ministers. and their current leader for at least the next few days anyway.
Yup, and all of them can shove their religious dogma. Ban religions! ALL of them!

The only real action that she has taken is to reclassify some of the Arms Act to widen the classification of MSSA weapons.
... Prior to banning and confiscating them (at taxpayer's expense)...

TheDemonLord

27th March 2019, 09:00

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/jews-outraged-after-mosque-leader-blames-mossad-for-christchurch-attack/ar-BBVehvs?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=iehp

Is this acceptable?

husaberg

27th March 2019, 17:07

A poor attempt from a fervent leftist. Surely you meant to say "Corporations before Country"?

What retards genuinely believe in an actual genocidal sky-pixie?
No the god before country reference ws apt and can refer to the religion or the money. they are both the the same thing.
Religion is just another means by which the right wing robs the poor of their money and seeks to controls their thinking.
The constant references the right wing makes to communists is essentially the same as the church crying witches or the devil.:2thumbsup

Simon Bridges' father was a Baptist minister and he is a practicing Christian. Bridges said he voted in line with his Christian values.
Bill English is a practising Roman Catholic.
2008 Key stated that he attended church frequently with his children.
Jenny Shipley Shipley states her religion is important to her and Here father was a parson.
Jim Bolger was born into an Irish Catholic family and like the national party has opposed bills on religious grounds

Yup, and all of them can shove their religious dogma. Ban religions! ALL of them!
.

Thre whole National party the whole republican party sure why not.

Well, listening to some of the Republicans, they talk like God is an honorary chairman of their party. Even President (George H.W.) Bush slammed the Democrats for not mentioning God in their party platform.
What a bunch of loonies

jasonu

23rd May 2019, 16:28

A crack whore gets a neck tattoo and makes the headlines. Well done NZ herald.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/spy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503840&objectid=12233576

oldrider

23rd May 2019, 16:39

Yet the Jews' were granted possession of Israel on the grounds that it was promised to them by "GOD" ? --- OK. :rolleyes:

mashman

23rd May 2019, 17:31

My agenda is reproaching thieves.

If you don't agree with me don't presume to tell me I mean something other than what I said, give me a reason you don't agree.

Thief: a person who steals another person's property.
Steal: take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

It's legal. Shut the fuck up you whiney moron and blame yourself for not earning enough, eh, dude.

Oh, and you get plenty of things to write shit off against that many others who pay tax don't. Maybe spend a few more $ on a better accountant whilst yer at it.

Murray

24th May 2019, 20:15

1. Mike Sabin 2015
National Party MP Mike Sabin resigns from parliament "due to personal issues that were best dealt with outside Parliament"
one month after it is revealed that he is under investigation by police for assault.

2. Maurice Williamson 1 May, 2014
Maurice Williamson has resigned as a Minister.
It follows Herald revelations he contacted a top ranking police officer after a wealthy businessman with close ties to him was arrested on domestic violence charges.
The Prime Minister's office is understood to have also questioned Mr Williamson over his involvement with Donghua Liu's criminal case.
The public had been made aware that Mr Williamson contacted Police some time ago regarding their investigation of Mr Donghua Liu,"

3. Aaron Gilmore - 2013
The National list MP was forced to resign after allegations that he verbally abused a waiter at a Hamner Springs hotel for refusing to serve his dinner party more wine. Photo / Mark Mitchell He was put under further pressure a few days later when it was revealed that he had been warned about sending inappropriate emails while working at a government department. He showed his remorse when he announced his decision, saying "finally, I want to apologise once again to all those people who I've let down with my behaviour. I'm determined to learn from those lessons as I continue my life with more grace and humility."

4. Nick Smith - 2012
National MP Dr Nick Smith resigned from his Cabinet portfolios in an emotional statement to the media in March 2012. He was under immense pressure to resign following revelations that he had intervened in his friend and National Party activist Bronwyn Pullar's ACC claim while he had been the ACC Minister. Dr Smith had used his ministerial letterhead to advance Pullar's ACC claims. "I'm disappointed I'm not going to be able to continue my work in some of those areas I have a passion," he said. "But I apologise to all my fellow representatives for those misjudgments."

5. Darren Hughes - 2011
Photo / Mark Mitchell Labour MP Darren Hughes resigned two days after it was revealed he was subject to a complaint - believed to be of a sexual nature - from an 18-year old student. Then Labour leader Phil Goff announced Hughes' resignation, saying that the "controversy around the allegations made against him had made it impossible to carry out his duties." Hughes said that he had "enormous respect for the institution of Parliament" and was not prepared to see his party "distracted in the lead up to a critical election."

6. Phil Heatley - 2010
National MP Phil Heatley resigned his Housing and Fisheries portfolios after it was made public that he had misused his Ministerial credit card. There were claims he had used money for two bottles of wine after already been warned in 2009 for claiming $1,000 a week in accommodation expenses after moving into a larger home when he became minister, while renting out his apartment. "I have absolutely no desire to become the focus of a distraction for this Government, which has much to do to grow the economy, invest in jobs and help Kiwis get ahead,"

7. Pansy Wong - 2010
Photo / Marty Melville National Party Minister Pansy Wong stepped down from her role as a Cabinet minister after it was revealed that her husband could have conducted private business while on a taxpayer-subsidised overseas trip to China in 2008. A month later, Wong resigned as MP for Botany, saying that the furore had made her reflect on her future and how much her family had paid because of her political pursuits. "I want to ensure the National-led Government can progress its agenda without unnecessary distractions," she announced at a media conference in Wellington.

8. David Garrett - 2010
Act Party MP David Garrett was forced to resign from his role after he was charged with forging a document using details from a two-year-old boy's headstone in 1984. Using the details, he allegedly obtained the boy's birth certificate and filled in a passport application form, photographing himself in disguise. He was arrested 21 years later, but he denied the allegations and was discharged without conviction when it went to court. "I can do nothing to change the past. For any number of reasons, I wish I had not done such a stupid and dreadfully hurtful thing in 1984," he said in a media statement.

9. Richard Worth - 2009
National Party list MP, Dr Richard Worth entered Parliament as the MP for Epsom in 1999. His career was fraught with drama. In 2002 he skipped a Maori Battalion service to make a visit to Cairo to see the pyramids and take a camel ride while on an official trip. In 2009 there were reports of a private trip to India promoting aviation training in New Zealand, while having an interest in an academy. Later in the year there were allegations he visited a taxi driver who had allegedly been attacked by a group - one of whom was the son of an acquaintance. The following month there was a serious sexual allegation from an Auckland business woman. He resigned as a Cabinet Minister and a few weeks later as a list MP. "I went into politics to make a contribution to New Zealand. I can see that it is no longer possible for me to do that through politics, so I am now choosing to follow another positive path," his said in his resignation statement.

10. Donna Awatere Huata
ACT Party MP Donna Awatere Huata is convicted on fraud charges involving a trust set up to help underprivileged Maori children

good searching - Now please do same for labour and greens party - Don't hold back

husaberg

24th May 2019, 21:11

good searching - Now please do same for labour and greens party - Don't hold back
No it was here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_scandals_in_New_Zealand

2016-19 September: Colin Craig cited in court during defamation case taken against him relating to sexual harassment allegations

2007 – New Zealand Pacific Party MP Taito Philip Field is arrested on corruption and bribery charges. He eventually serves two years in prison

2005 Graham Capill, former leader of the Christian Heritage Party is convicted on paedophilia-related charges and serves six years in prison. Christian Heritage disbands the following year in the wake of the scandal.

2000 – Dover Samuels Labour Member of Parliament in New Zealand from 1996 to 2008 resigned as Minister of Maori Affairs pending an investigation into alleged sex crimes he had committed before he entered politics.
The police later cleared Samuels of all charges, and Samuels alleged that the accusations had political motivation

1999 – New Zealand First MP Tuariki John Delamere is forced to resign as Minister of Immigration after it emerged that he had approved permanent residency for a group of Chinese businessmen provided they invested generously in various Māori development schemes.

1995–96 – The "Antoinette Beck" affair: National/New Zealand First MP Michael Laws resigns after being subject to a conflict of interest inquiry over employing a company partly owned by his wife to conduct a poll, signed off by a non-existent "Antoinette Beck".

1984 – Independent MP John Kirk, the son of former Prime Minister Norman Kirk, absconds, owing more than $280,000. He is arrested in the US, held in prison, and then extradited to New Zealand

1977 – The Moyle Affair: Muldoon accuses high-ranking Labour Party MP Colin Moyle of having been questioned by the police on suspicion of homosexual activities, at that time illegal in New Zealand. Moyle is forced to resign from parliament.

1976 – Labour MP Gerald O'Brien is charged with molesting two boys, but the case is thrown out. Despite this, he was subsequently deselected as Labour's candidate for Island Bay and failed to secure re-election as an independent

1918 – Labour MP Paddy Webb is controversially sent to jail for refusing military service

about it i think for all the political parties.

pritch

25th May 2019, 14:08

about it i think for all the political parties.

Dover Samuels really shouldn't be in the list since he was cleared, although at the time it did count as a scandal. Helen just dropped him like a hot spud.

At the same time as the Samuels debacle there was news of another MP with a 'history' but he got a pass, he's still there and I don't have a problem with that.

One of those in husaberg's list was done for misusing an offical credit card. I do seem to recall a 'scandal" about another member using his offical credit card to buy porno movies. He may be more careful now?

husaberg

25th May 2019, 14:28

Dover Samuels really shouldn't be in the list since he was cleared, although at the time it did count as a scandal. Helen just dropped him like a hot spud.

At the same time as the Samuels debacle there was news of another MP with a 'history' but he got a pass, he's still there and I don't have a problem with that.

One of those in husaberg's list was done for misusing an offical credit card. I do seem to recall a 'scandal" about another member using his offical credit card to buy porno movies. He may be more careful now?

I added it as there was a few in the national list that were scandals. also you could say the same about labours Gerald Obrien. Missing from the nats and act list is of course John banks and Chrusher and Bridges
Banks has had so many scandals its not even funny, but at last count he had had all convictions overturned.

Police yesterday released files from their investigation into two $25,000 donations from German multi-millionaire Kim Dotcom and a $15,000 donation from SkyCity towards his 2010 Auckland mayoralty campaign, which were all registered as anonymous.
Statements from Dotcom show the now leader of the ACT Party told him: "I want to help you Kim and I can help you more effectively if no-one knows about this donation."

n 1993, Mr Prebble accused him of interfering in a police tender (for flak jackets) after the deadline was extended to allow a company owned by a Whangarei friend to make a late bid. Banks was subsequently cleared.

Another Member of Key’s cabinet, justice minister Judith Collins, was forced to resign amid allegations that she leaked personal information about political opponents to a right wing blogger known as Whale Oil. The revelations — which resulted in the book, Dirty Politics — resulted from Whale Oil’s computer having been hacked, allegedly by none other than Kim Dotcom.

While Minister of Police, he was fined $750 for answering his cell phone on a commercial flight in 1991

Conflict of interest allegations were raised when, as Tourism Minister, he submitted a bid for the Waitangi Resort Hotel.

So we got this whitewash report in 2016 that Murray MCully kinda acted within the law in regards to the Saudi Sheep bribe. Nothing to see here folks, just a Senior Minister paying an $11.5 million dollar bribe to a Saudi Businessman in the sad hope that we can get a free trade deal with Saudi Arabia,

Barclay lied for months about secretly taping a staff member. Bill English first didn’t know anything, then did know something, then questioned if any such tape even existed and then admitted to being asked to listen to the tape that never existed while National Party Board members bullied staff and made veiled threats.
On top of that, English fought tooth and nail to hide his involvement and leaned on the Police to ensure that happened.
Oh and it turns out Bill sent 450 text messages to the staff member in question but he “wasn’t involved”.