Winston Peters... our emissary to the Middle East. [Archive]

carbonhed

21st March 2019, 15:18

Seriously? This is the guy to send to talk to Recip Erdogan President of Turkey to smooth over the troubled waters after the Christchurch attacks?

https://i1.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Winston-Peters-NZH.jpg

The guy who every three years energises his base with attacks on immigrants and immigration?

A little snippet (from Stuff)...

"Peters spoke about the "political correctness" in other parties: "They say – ah yes – but New Zealand has always been a nation of immigrants. They miss a crucial point. New Zealand has never been a nation of Islamic immigrants…"

Peters also suggested that moderate Muslims were operating "hand in glove" with extremists.

His exact words are worth quoting in full: "This two-faced approach is how radical Islam works – present the acceptable face to one audience and the militant face to another.

"In New Zealand the Muslim community have been quick to show us their more moderate face, but as some media reports have shown, there is a militant underbelly here as well.

"Underneath it all the agenda is to promote fundamentalist Islam.

"Indeed these groups are like the mythical Hydra – a serpent underbelly with multiple heads capable of striking at any time and in any direction."

He went on to note that "in many parts of the world the Christian faith is under direct threat from radical Islam", and said that he had sent a letter to all leaders of Islamic groups in New Zealand, calling them to name any "radicals, troublemakers and potential dangers to our society".

So 'The Lizard of First' a turkey en route to Turkey. What the fuck could POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

I'm offended and I'm neither Turkish nor Muslim.

Please Jacinda don't let him go!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111361660/christchurch-mosque-attacks-time-to-recall-mps-antimigrant-rhetoric

Swoop

21st March 2019, 16:52

Erdogan is derisively called the "sultan" of Turkey.

The nation of Turkey was founded in modern times as a secular state by Kamal Attaturk, a wise man who was involved in the Gallipoli campaign and steered Turkey into the modern age. Sadly his foresight has been twisted by Erdogan, who is making a strongly muslim nation - reference the new "mega-mosque" in Istanbul and lots of sabre rattling to go with it.

Erdogan likes our tooth monster, as she is promoting acceptance of the world's most dangerous religion. Yes, that stone-age one that states "death to all non-believers" and is also happy to mutilate female bodies for male pleasure.

Tread carefully Winnie...

JimO

21st March 2019, 18:10

hopefully they will keep him

husaberg

21st March 2019, 18:52

If you send winny in a capacity of foreign affairs you effectively silence him as everything he says has to be cleared prior to him speaking.
T̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶B̶o̶l̶g̶e̶r̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶h̶i̶m̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶G̶o̶v̶e̶r̶n̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶N̶a̶t̶s̶. edit no it was Clark 2005-2008
Its a clever ploy.
One that labour is repeating. (again)

carbonhed

21st March 2019, 19:01

If you send winny in a capacity of foreign affairs you effectively silence him as everything he says has to be cleared prior to him speaking.
That is what Bolger did when they had him in Government with Nats.
Its a clever ploy.
One that labour is repeating

You didn't notice that Erdogan is about to fight another election and is riling up his base claiming that the Christchurch terrorist was state sponsored? Why wouldn't he just read out the thoughts of the Lizard and send him home in a box.... hang on a minute... send Winston! First! :lol:

husaberg

21st March 2019, 19:31

You didn't notice that Erdogan is about to fight another election and is riling up his base claiming that the Christchurch terrorist was state sponsored? Why wouldn't he just read out the thoughts of the Lizard and send him home in a box.... hang on a minute... send Winston! First! :lol:

I wouldn't worry about either Turkey, its likely a trip to get some duty free booze.
Say what you want to about Peters hes a ex national MP and was the public's prefered PM when he was a National MP. Thus he was the cream of Nationals crop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTs6vd2HeVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0l3qXMNYSE
Hes one of the few characters left. A genuine survivor (and likely a shape shifting lizard like john Key allegedly was;))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCG9i9Eb_qs

carbonhed

21st March 2019, 19:39

I wouldn't worry about either Turkey, its likely a trip to get some duty free booze.
Say what you want to about Peters hes a ex national MP and was the public's prefered PM when he was a National MP. Thus he was the cream of Nationals crop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTs6vd2HeVU
Hes one of the few characters left. A genuine survivor (and likely a shape shifting lizard like john Key allegedly was;))

Goneburger come the next election no matter how much loot he tosses around.

husaberg

21st March 2019, 20:22

Goneburger come the next election no matter how much loot he tosses around.

As hes currently At 73 i would not expect him to continue on.
That said he sharpers than the Deputy leader of National.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTvRGAffa7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAqaKnWCmQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VS_HAgk6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgXtD9xi-s

jasonu

22nd March 2019, 02:21

claiming that the Christchurch terrorist was state sponsored? :

Now there's a thought. This episode will do wonders for the tooth fairys ratings. You don't hear the media talking about her and labours non ending string of fuck ups anymore...

SpankMe

22nd March 2019, 07:15

Jeff Sichoe

22nd March 2019, 08:55

he'll be able to lead the 5 x daily call to prayer for us all by the time he gets back

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 11:52

Yep, I've actually read the Quran. Its the most repetitive, hateful drivel I've ever read. I lost count of the number of times it called for my death.

Really, you need to read more, its practically the same hate filled drivel as the bible or the Tanakh.
But if you are looking for hate filled drivel ask a few of the members here for a copy of mein kamph.

SpankMe

22nd March 2019, 11:58

Really, you need to read more, its practically the same hate filled drivel as the bible or the Tanakh.
But if you are looking for hate filled drivel ask a few of the members here for a copy of mein kamph.

Yep, all religious books are filled with drivel. Most of it is just to fill out the pages to make the book look like it has substance.

Jeff Sichoe

22nd March 2019, 12:17

Really, you need to read more, its practically the same hate filled drivel as the bible or the Tanakh.
But if you are looking for hate filled drivel ask a few of the members here for a copy of mein kamph.

you can buy hitlers little story online from whitcoulls

but you can't buy jordan petersons 12 rules for a good life because

ya know

i dunno

TheDemonLord

22nd March 2019, 12:25

you can buy hitlers little story online from whitcoulls

but you can't buy jordan petersons 12 rules for a good life because

ya know

i dunno

Not to mention The Communist Manifesto...

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 15:02

you can buy hitlers little story online from whitcoulls

but you can't buy jordan petersons 12 rules for a good life because

ya know

i dunno

Because people who like to read Jordan Peterson are unable to help themselves?
I found it in 10 seconds?
https://www.paperplus.co.nz/author/jordan-b-peterson-986541
https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/

Its interesting to note that the Shittard that did the CHCh stooting frequented a Incel website
Those people that define themselves as incells are Jodan Petersons target market.

I decided to join a popular incel group to see if I could discover why the community is creating such angry, violent men (at least four mass murders resulting in 45 deaths have been committed in the US since 2014 by men who identify as incels). But what I found was both unexpected and profoundly sad.
These are sad and lonely guys who are mostly virgins and have suffered from some mental or physical abuse. They are socially awkward, “genetically flawed” (their term not mine) and don’t know how to get out of the hole they’re in. They don’t have the emotional maturity to have a complex adult relationship.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214017
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/i-joined-an-incel-group-and-what-i-found-was-surprising/news-story/9fd5647427e3e1750468dd39ed2bebe3

Jordan prays on the weak by telling instead of helping them he convinces them its not their fault for $$$$$$

Yep, all religious books are filled with drivel. Most of it is just to fill out the pages to make the book look like it has substance.

The point i was making spanky, was the Bible has the exact same crap that the koran does.

TheDemonLord

22nd March 2019, 15:23

Because people who like to read Jordan Peterson are unable to help themselves?
I found it in 10 seconds?
https://www.paperplus.co.nz/author/jordan-b-peterson-986541
https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/

Its interesting to note that the Shittard that did the CHCh stooting frequented a Incel website
Those people that define themselves as incells are Jodan Petersons target market.
I decided to join a popular incel group to see if I could discover why the community is creating such angry, violent men (at least four mass murders resulting in 45 deaths have been committed in the US since 2014 by men who identify as incels). But what I found was both unexpected and profoundly sad.

Jordan prays on the weak by telling instead of helping them he convinces them its not their fault for $$$$$$

The point i was making spanky, was the Bible has the exact same crap that the koran does.

The funniest thing - is Jordan tells people precisely the opposite...

carbonhed

22nd March 2019, 15:25

Jordan prays on the weak by telling instead of helping them he convinces them its not their fault for $$$$$$

The point i was making spanky, was the Bible has the exact same crap that the koran does.

It's "prey" I think you'll find. Actually JP says that if all the women you meet are rejecting you... it's NOT the womens fault. Fairly brutally too. So you're just talking shit as per... stick to copy and paste dude you know it makes sense.

See if you can find "Love thine enemy" in the Koran. Matthew 5:44.

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 15:30

Actually JP says that if all the women you meet are rejecting you... it's NOT the womens fault. Fairly brutally too. So you're just talking shit as per... stick to copy and paste dude you know it makes sense.
.

Lets see i said this

Jordan preys on the weak by telling instead of helping them he convinces them its not their fault for $$$$$$

You translated to mean something else entirely and you are trying to make out i lack understanding.........Classic
The reason they are unsuccessful with women is they lack social skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_fyRALOGYs

“And good and evil deeds are not alike. Repel evil with good. And he who is your enemy will become your dearest friend.” (41:33-34)
As for the rest cut and pasted off the net in seconds.

Quran 4:94: . . . Do not say to one who offers you peace, “You are not a believer,” seeking the spoils of this life. For God has abundant treasure. You used to be like them, after all, and then God blessed you.

28:55, And when they hear vain talk, they turn away from it and say: “To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we do not seek out the ignorant.”

[4:90] Exempt those who join a people with whom you have concluded a peace treaty, and those who come to you with hearts unwilling to fight you, nor to fight their relatives. Had God willed, he could have placed them in power over you and they would have made war on you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no way to go against them.

SpankMe

22nd March 2019, 15:30

The point i was making spanky, was the Bible has the exact same crap that the koran does.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/052/688/4f9.jpg

sidecar bob

22nd March 2019, 16:05

Yep, all religious books are filled with drivel. Most of it is just to fill out the pages to make the book look like it has substance.

Yep, these guys are starting to look like the smart ones, no book, just a skin full of Kava every day & a bit of pointless theatrics.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/in-john-they-trust-109294882/
I think Poison summed it up nicely.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HEVKpc9B_TA

carbonhed

22nd March 2019, 16:11

Actually you said this

Its interesting to note that the Shittard that did the CHCh stooting frequented a Incel website
Those people that define themselves as incells are Jodan Petersons target market.

Jordan prays on the weak by telling instead of helping them he convinces them its not their fault for $$$$$$

Which is as I stated complete bullshit.

And if you want to find the theological underpinnings of Jihadist barbarity you have to find the Fiqh al-Dima (or The Jurisprudence of Blood). Which is very nasty indeed.

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 16:23

Actually you said this

Which is as I stated complete bullshit.

Only issue is its not complete bullshit. You attempted to say, i said something other than the men lacked the social skills needed to be able to have an relationship.
As i said Peterson preys on them telling them, dont worry its not there fault.its biology or feminism or both. Which is what they want to hear, He feeds them this crap, for financial gain.
Funny enough the ones that tell people straight its actually their own fault they lack the skills required to be successful don't get as much money.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/19/incels-why-jack-peterson-left-elliot-rodger
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/white-male-victimhood-gammon-incel-jordan-peterson-mens-rights-alex-jones-a8354346.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/raw-hatred-why-incel-movement-targets-terrorises-women
https://theweek.com/articles/773949/poisoned-chalice-traditional-masculinity

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/052/688/4f9.jpg

That's great.
Far better than the sequels

carbonhed

22nd March 2019, 16:37

Only issue is its not complete bullshit. You attempted to say i said it was any other reason that the men lacking the social skills needed to be able to have an relationship is the reason.
As i said Peterson preys on them telling them its not there fault. Which is what they want to hear, He feeds them this crap, for financial gain.
Funny enough the ones that tell people straight its actually their own fault they lack the skills required to be successful don't get as much money.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/19/incels-why-jack-peterson-left-elliot-rodger
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/raw-hatred-why-incel-movement-targets-terrorises-women

That's great.
Far better than the sequels

Jack Peterson............ Oh you fucking buffoon :brick::facepalm::lol::killingme

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 16:48

Jack Peterson............ Oh you fucking buffoon :brick::facepalm::lol::killingme

How to lose an argument Carbonhead style

Step 1 Tell someone what they said was crap, Cause after all you are the sole judge of Crapness.
Step 2 When asked, why tell ,the person tits because of something they clearly never said.
Step 3 When its pointed out that, not only what you accused them of doing was wrong. there is ample evidence that shows others say the exact same thing as you did from multiple sources.
Throw a tanty and call them "names"
Step 4 for when you statements are shown to be false ignore this and change the subject again

carbonhed

22nd March 2019, 16:54

How to lose an argument Carbonhead style

Step 1 Tell someone what they said was crap, Cause after all you are the sole judge of Crapness.
Step 2 When asked, why tell ,the person tits because of something they clearly never said.
Step 3 When its pointed out that, not only what you accused them of doing was wrong. there is ample evidence that shows others say the exact same thing as you did from multiple sources.
Throw a tanty and call them "names"

You've got the wrong Peterson dickhead. I don't know how to put it any simpler than that. Jordan Peterson does not have any time for incel whimpering.

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 16:58

You've got the wrong Peterson dickhead. I don't know how to put it any simpler than that. Jordan Peterson does not have any time for incel whimpering.

Step 1 Tell someone what they said was crap, Cause after all you are the sole judge of Crapness.
Step 2 When asked, why tell ,the person tits because of something they clearly never said.
Step 3 When its pointed out that, not only what you accused them of doing was wrong. there is ample evidence that shows others say the exact same thing as you did from multiple sources.
Throw a tanty and call them "names"
Step 4 for when you statements are shown to be false ignore this and change the subject again
Step 5 only read first paragraphs of links jump to a of one link silly conclusion that it means something else and accuse someone of being a dick.
Here is a clue read all of the words in all the links and see why incels like to lap up the rubbish that Jordan Peterson feeds them for money.

TheDemonLord

22nd March 2019, 17:02

Only issue is its not complete bullshit. You attempted to say, i said something other than the men lacked the social skills needed to be able to have an relationship.
As i said Peterson preys on them telling them, dont worry its not there fault.its biology or feminism or both. Which is what they want to hear, He feeds them this crap, for financial gain.
Funny enough the ones that tell people straight its actually their own fault they lack the skills required to be successful don't get as much money.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/19/incels-why-jack-peterson-left-elliot-rodger
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/white-male-victimhood-gammon-incel-jordan-peterson-mens-rights-alex-jones-a8354346.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/raw-hatred-why-incel-movement-targets-terrorises-women
https://theweek.com/articles/773949/poisoned-chalice-traditional-masculinity

That's great.
Far better than the sequels

The Guardian says it, so it must be true.

carbonhed

22nd March 2019, 17:39

Random shit

When did you go through the 'Flirty Friday' thread and cleanse it dude? Certainly not because you were proud of it I suspect :laugh:

That's the real husaberk though.

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 17:41

When did you go through the 'Flirty Friday' thread and cleanse it dude? Certainly not because you were proud of it I suspect :laugh:

That's the real husaberk though.

Bin nice talking at you and over your head.

pritch

22nd March 2019, 17:53

Those people that define themselves as incells are Jodan Petersons target market.

I seriously doubt that anyone defines themselves as incel. For those unfamiliar with the term it means involuntarily celibate.
The origin could probably fairly be atributed to radical feminists. Trump's 400lb hacker sitting in a basement would seem a good example.

husaberg

22nd March 2019, 17:58

I seriously doubt that anyone defines themselves as incel. For those unfamiliar with the term it means involuntarily celibate.
The origin could probably fairly be atributed to radical feminists. Trump's 400lb hacker sitting in a basement would seem a good example.

That channel the CHCH dickwad inhabited is full of them. Wall to wall pasty white gammer virgins.
Most of whom live in their moms basement and play video games all day and deliver pizzas by night. They then wonder why that women dont want them, like to do the pizza delivery guys in porn videos.
80% of them seem to also be WP supremacists or racist dicks at the least, they pour hate on almost all minorities blaming them for their lack of success.

Trump should carry the blame. Hes clearly no looker , clearly isnt that smart either , yet he has some women who have semi consensual sex with him at least occasionally. Despite his tiny hands.
All Just because he started out with a small loan of a hundred million dollars i guess.

carbonhed

22nd March 2019, 17:59

Bin nice talking at you and over your head.

:lol: Must have taken bucketloads of Lysol on that job chickenshit.

carbonhed

25th March 2019, 20:49

Awesome! We're saved... the useless old tool fell asleep. Result!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/lloyd-burr-is-winston-peters-asleep-at-the-wheel.html

AllanB

25th March 2019, 21:10

He's been past it for years. Silly old shit needs to retire - and it will be worth it for him as the tax payer will supply him with a impressive long duration Parliamentary pension and discounted travel etc. Pisses me off they get that shit. For what? Serving the country, yet that ex SAS top NZ medal chapie got nothing..........

carbonhed

25th March 2019, 21:24

I suspect if Cindy said"fuck it! I'm over this useless old fucker. I'm calling an election. I'm going to the country". She'd probably walk it. Bonus would be the unemployment of Golly G and Marama Davidson.

husaberg

25th March 2019, 21:35

jasonu

26th March 2019, 02:33

R650R

26th July 2022, 11:19

Hate him or hate him for his betrayals of voters, it looks like the old dog might be back again.

The dangerous thing is he has seen the key election issue and isn’t afraid to talk about it, and that’s this co governance nonsense. Freshly vindicated from the sham donation allegations and about to sue all sorts of people he’s going to be on fire next year.
Sadly this could dilute the protest vote and help labour stay in power.
And what’s worse he won’t rule out working with Jacindas despite being kept in dark about te puapua and other stuff....

https://youtu.be/0V9bV9n92Kg

TheDemonLord

26th July 2022, 11:28

Berries

26th July 2022, 15:23

And what’s worse he won’t rule out working with Jacindas despite being kept in dark about te puapua...
He needs to get over that. The national museum has been open for years now.

R650R

27th July 2022, 11:51

I don't think the NZ First voters will forgive his betrayal and most of them have moved to ACT and currently David Seymour is absolutely on the money.

Let’s hope that is the case and along with that the greens self destruct with their leadership battles.

R650R

26th September 2023, 20:35

Classic Winston

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXpZLpL28V8&pp=ygUQdGUgYW8gd2l0aCBtb2FuYQ%3D%3D

R650R

13th October 2023, 10:10

You ain’t aged 55-65 if you don’t vote Winston.

Only one I’ve heard say no to changing retirement age.

R650R

15th October 2023, 07:32

Hello?

Do I know you?????

Hehe

R650R

3rd November 2023, 18:17

Look whose back it’s the real Slim shady woohoo

Moise

3rd November 2023, 21:06

Seymour and Peters in cabinet together. I almost feel sorry for Luxon.

Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

R650R

5th November 2023, 07:39

Seymour and Peters in cabinet together. I almost feel sorry for Luxon.

Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

I’m sure he has strategy to make it work. You don’t get to CEO level without finding out how to make people work together.

BTW all those close to 65 Winston will keep retirement age same

pete376403

5th November 2023, 14:57

I’m sure he has strategy to make it work. You don’t get to CEO level without finding out how to make people work together.

BTW all those close to 65 Winston will keep retirement age same

A CEO can get people to co-operate by either paying people more or firing them from the company. Luxon has neither of these options. Winston has beaten Seymour because NZ First is vital to the NACT coalition, whereas ACT is only there to make up the numbers. Winston also has the (very unlikely to happen, but, politics, eh?) option of going with a Labour/Green/Pati Maori and making them the government.

Laava

5th November 2023, 16:21

Just going back to the OP, is it not too late to send Winston to the middle east? Can someone ask Chris?

pritch

7th November 2023, 13:32

Agreed. Send either Seymour or Paters as emissary to Gaza.

neels

7th November 2023, 13:43

Agreed. Send either Seymour or Paters as emissary to Gaza.

Sending Winnie there could be quite effective.

The conflict would probably be resolved a hell of a lot faster if the career diplomats discussing it were meeting in Gaza rather than a nice hotel somewhere a long way away.

pritch

15th November 2023, 10:31

Luxon is a beginner politician. Winston Peters has been around the block - multiple times.

Yesterday there was to be a "threesome" in Welington. (Truly awful imagery.) Peters remained in Auckland. Today Luxon, Seymour, and their retinues, travelled to Auckland to meet with Peters.

If the mountain won't come to Muhammad...

Grumph

15th November 2023, 10:47

Winnie is feeling no pressure. All the public and media pressure is on Luxon and Seymour.

He knows this very well and will outwait the others to get what he wants.
I don't expect an agreement this week.

R650R

16th November 2023, 08:53

Winston’s certainly taught the media a lesson. They openly disrespected him and now wonder why he’s not giving them the sound bites they’d like.
I don’t think we are to far away from agreement it just feels like watching g paint dry because there is no daily progress report. And just remember it’s the overly long time to count special votes (thanks labour) that pushed it out three weeks to start with.
It was also loosely agreed in various media interviews prior to election that much of the negotiations would be between high level party officials and that the three amigos would all only need to be physically together near end of process.
Luxon wanted a strong stable govt so they are prob also making sure strong agreement and sense of unity before they front the public stage together.

pritch

16th November 2023, 09:06

I don’t think we are to far away from agreement it just feels like watching g paint dry because there is no daily progress report.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Winston is loving the spotlight and he's in no rush.

pete376403

16th November 2023, 09:33

Says it all...

R650R

16th November 2023, 13:35

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Winston is loving the spotlight and he's in no rush.

Well they all campaigned on getting country sorted out promptly so it’s no benefit to protract it like in times past when it was labour vs national choice for him. I’m sure they’ll work it out soon.

pete376403

16th November 2023, 15:29

Well they all campaigned on getting country sorted out promptly so it’s no benefit to protract it like in times past when it was labour vs national choice for him. I’m sure they’ll work it out soon.

You seem to think that Winston and Seymour are in this for anyone other than themselves. Luxon *might* have a shred of wanting to do the country some good, but that would quickly get subsumed by the bigger picture of personal wealth, prestige and a knighthood at the end. Recall the old adage about Guy Fawkes being the last person to enter Parliament with honest intentions.