Grey Gold

[Beekeeper]

Checking out the trademe listings, as you do, and there seems to a lot of old bikes from the 70's mostly that people are trying to and in some cases selling for pretty ridiculous prices.

Bikes like GT Suzuki's, CB Honda's and a plethora of other plain old crap. Those bikes were not very good in their day and are arguably 50 times worse now but the nostalgia about them is at an all time high. I can only conclude that old people who have a bit of spare coin are desperately trying to relive their youth or youthful fantasies.

So the point is get in now and sell your old crap now and cash in!

[Jeff Sichoe]

Sorta like CRT tv's. Doesn't really matter how good they were back in the day they absolutely suck compared to anything modern.

[jellywrestler]

Checking out the trademe listings, as you do, and there seems to a lot of old bikes from the 70's mostly that people are trying to and in some cases selling for pretty ridiculous prices.

Bikes like GT Suzuki's, CB Honda's and a plethora of other plain old crap. Those bikes were not very good in their day and are arguably 50 times worse now but the nostalgia about them is at an all time high. I can only conclude that old people who have a bit of spare coin are desperately trying to relive their youth or youthful fantasies.

So the point is get in now and sell your old crap now and cash in!

one of the big attractions is pre 80 bikes are just $59 for rego, on a big bike that's damn near $2k in four years you can save, people like it as the bike sitting there regoed doesn't live rent free in their head.

[Beekeeper]

I guess the question is what is collectible vs what is just old.

Someone has a 40 mile jubilee Triumph on for 25k, the last gasp of a dying manufacturer that absolutely fits the crap then/crap now bracket but the rarity of it being "new" means someone will buy it.

What prompted this thread was its not just bikes, really shitty cars like Prem Holdens people will pay moonbeams for. Cash in gents, cash in....

[Beekeeper]

one of the big attractions is pre 80 bikes are just $59 for rego, on a big bike that's damn near $2k in four years you can save, people like it as the bike sitting there regoed doesn't live rent free in their head.

Personally Id pay the extra so I can have handling, braking and power as well as better metallurgy and design. However I can see that there is a place for old bikes and long may they live in the hands of people who love them but its the cashing in on crap angle that I find intriguing.

[pritch]

It's not at all uncommon for people to place a premium on things associated with their youth. This doesn't just apply to wheels but to lots of collectibles.

As for motorcycles, I prefer those with all mod cons.

[sidecar bob]

Checking out the trademe listings, as you do, and there seems to a lot of old bikes from the 70's mostly that people are trying to and in some cases selling for pretty ridiculous prices.

Bikes like GT Suzuki's, CB Honda's and a plethora of other plain old crap. Those bikes were not very good in their day and are arguably 50 times worse now but the nostalgia about them is at an all time high. I can only conclude that old people who have a bit of spare coin are desperately trying to relive their youth or youthful fantasies.

So the point is get in now and sell your old crap now and cash in!

Honestly, nobody really cares about your trolling for attention.
But if you want to discuss overpriced unreliable crap for posers with small cocks, how about those Ducati's?

[Voltaire]

Its simple economics, supply and demand.
Alas the post 2008 cheap money is not what it used to be.
I liked driving my Mums 253 Premier....a Monaro would have been cooler but...:(

[HenryDorsetCase]

Its simple economics, supply and demand.
Alas the post 2008 cheap money is not what it used to be.
I liked driving my Mums 253 Premier....a Monaro would have been cooler but...:(

I learned to drive in an HQ Holden Kingswood. I'd sort of have another but not really.

[F5 Dave]

Dad had a Monaro he ordered from the factory as you could in those days with overseas funds, with a Kingswood body and cut down from springs. Sort of like a reverse mullet. Party at the front. Family in the back.

[jellywrestler]

its the cashing in on crap angle that I find intriguing. how do explain Harleys then?

[Beekeeper]

Honestly, nobody really cares about your trolling for attention.
But if you want to discuss overpriced unreliable crap for posers with small cocks, how about those Ducati's?

How about fuck off?

[Laava]

Bikes like GT Suzuki's, CB Honda's and a plethora of other plain old crap. Those bikes were not very good in their day .....So the point is get in now and sell your old crap now and cash in!
I think you may have misunderstood then. They weren't crap in their day at all. They were as good as any of the competition and in the case of the CB's, the death knell for the unevolving brit bike industry. They certainly aren't flash by todays stds, that's for sure but they are an investment. How much of an investment is uncertain and is controlled by the buyers themselves. They certainly have aged well tho quality wise. For a good comparison, look how much a VW Kombi in good nick is worth. And there is nothing flash about them either.

[Beekeeper]

how do explain Harleys then?


I cant explain them, except that they are the worlds largest dress up company.
They are an interesting phenomenon though, they dont handle well, brake or even have a lot of power but they do have enough to keep a lot of people happy. Its easy to be a bit mean to Harley riders but to be fair a lot of them like to be part of something and i think that's probably the main reason.

As far as old bikes are concerned, Ive had them all from that era H1's H2's, CB's GT's,RD's LC's, Tridents, Speed Twins even a 60's Puch split single and many others, there is not a single one I would go back to, they are all best left in picture books or on display somewhere as a reminder of when bikes killed a lot of people. Prems are ok but 35k for one... really? When I was growing up grey ex cop HQ's were de rigeur for drink driving, laying rubber and had a pretty good bonnet for filleting fish on.

[Beekeeper]

I think you may have misunderstood then. They weren't crap in their day at all. They were as good as any of the competition and in the case of the CB's, the death knell for the unevolving brit bike industry. They certainly aren't flash by todays stds, that's for sure but they are an investment. How much of an investment is uncertain and is controlled by the buyers themselves. They certainly have aged well tho quality wise. For a good comparison, look how much a VW Kombi in good nick is worth. And there is nothing flash about them either.

Good points, I'm probably a bit harsh on them but they are still awful.

this thread is more a muse on what i see as really high prices for very average bikes and the greying market for them. I see it in several areas other than bikes, but nostalgia is an odd emotion that imbues a wishful and unrealistic history onto these machines. Theres a CB 500 on for 8k but hasnt hit reserve yet so it may be a 10 k bike, it has a lot of "watchers" Hey its their thing but i still think its rubbish even though I had fun riding a few back in the 70's. We grew out of them because better things came along.

[Honest Andy]

had a pretty good bonnet for filleting fish on.

Yes you're right, they were perfect for cunnilingus

(:bleh:)

[Voltaire]

500/4 on TM
Very nice, takes me back to the Summer of 1984 touring the SI for 4 weeks.
Cost me $1500, quite a lot on my $5 PH apprentice wage.

Bargain if its only 10K, probably go higher as they are a good example of late 60's design.
I suppose for similar money you could buy a modern bike but meh...dealers, waiting weeks for parts, having to buy all the matching apparel.


https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1122000348.jpg
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2279551329.htm?rsqid=e1ac585d005a4ea3b3548e6d2d9ca cb9-002

[jellywrestler]

waiting weeks for parts, having to buy all the matching apparel.

and how come 500 four parts get here quicker?

[jellywrestler]

Checking out the trademe listings, as you do, and there seems to a lot of old bikes from the 70's mostly that people are trying to and in some cases selling for pretty ridiculous prices.

Bikes like GT Suzuki's, CB Honda's and a plethora of other plain old crap. Those bikes were not very good in their day and are arguably 50 times worse now but the nostalgia about them is at an all time high. I can only conclude that old people who have a bit of spare coin are desperately trying to relive their youth or youthful fantasies.

So the point is get in now and sell your old crap now and cash in!

there's a bit of pot/kettle here, correct me if you're wrong, you own a Panigale. Why not a similar capacity ducati, but cheaper, you'll never use the difference on the road, and there's just a few percent of people on this country who could use the difference on the track, be it a track day or a race day. The slice of coin you'll drop when selling will buy one if not three of these bikes you're pointing out so the only justification I can see is ego, or you've got a shit load of money to launder and need a way to dispose of it.
Look at the art market, I can splash some paint on a canvas and sell it for a few bucks, other bits of canvas with a bit of paint splashed on them can sell for a few dollars more right through to hundreds of millions of dollars. They are still pretty much the same to look at though.
that's shit i can't explain, they call themselves 'art lovers' but it's entirely an investment scam to me

[F5 Dave]

You'd just paint crude penises though to be fair.

Having said that there's probably a market for that. You could be onto something. :confused:

[Voltaire]

and how come 500 four parts get here quicker?

I can only speak of 40 year old Norton/Triumph/BMW parts, but a mate of mine had one and its the same.

Locally there is a pretty extensive and well priced availability of 60's/70's Brit parts.
Best time I have had for BMW parts from the UK is 5 days.
Same can be said for my mid 90's Ducati and late 80's Vespa daily rider.

All a mouse click away.

Art analogy is interesting as I see motorcycles as mechanical art.
For a few grand you can have a slice of a given moment in time and all the effort of hundreds of engineers and techs in a nice 200 KG package, that you can even start up and take out for a ride.
I'm not sure I'd get all that from having a 10K painting hanging in the lounge.

[jellywrestler]

Art analogy is interesting as I see motorcycles as mechanical art.
.
Motor vehicles are pretty much the mast accessible item that portrays fashion trends over time, everyone has to be sold to someone, and in a market it's a buyers choice, so fashions colours etc were brought in to assist with that. Of course things like wind tunnels now also help.
I stayed with Graeme and Helen Crosby one night, they had spent a lot of money building an art gallery and had rocks and stuff for $8k etc. somewhere during the night i said to her art and music have zero value at all in reality, the value they end up with is simply what we put on them.
You do not need them to exist, they might make life better however to some.

[sidecar bob]

I can only speak of 40 year old Norton/Triumph/BMW parts, but a mate of mine had one and its the same.

Locally there is a pretty extensive and well priced availability of 60's/70's Brit parts.
Best time I have had for BMW parts from the UK is 5 days.
Same can be said for my mid 90's Ducati and late 80's Vespa daily rider.

All a mouse click away.

Art analogy is interesting as I see motorcycles as mechanical art.
For a few grand you can have a slice of a given moment in time and all the effort of hundreds of engineers and techs in a nice 200 KG package, that you can even start up and take out for a ride.
I'm not sure I'd get all that from having a 10K painting hanging in the lounge.
Im a huge motorcycles as art fan.
Fortunately my wife shares my view on that & i often get links from her with messages like "this would look good outside the bedroom door"
I recently noticed that none of them ever got dusty & commented on this, at which point i was shown the special microfibre cloth & products used on them weekly during housework day while im at work.
Bless her.

[Beekeeper]

there's a bit of pot/kettle here, correct me if you're wrong, you own a Panigale. Why not a similar capacity ducati, but cheaper, you'll never use the difference on the road, and there's just a few percent of people on this country who could use the difference on the track, be it a track day or a race day. The slice of coin you'll drop when selling will buy one if not three of these bikes you're pointing out so the only justification I can see is ego, or you've got a shit load of money to launder and need a way to dispose of it.
Look at the art market, I can splash some paint on a canvas and sell it for a few bucks, other bits of canvas with a bit of paint splashed on them can sell for a few dollars more right through to hundreds of millions of dollars. They are still pretty much the same to look at though.
that's shit i can't explain, they call themselves 'art lovers' but it's entirely an investment scam to me

No pot calling and in reference to comments about art, sure people are entitled to have mechanical art and buy and sell whatever they want for whatever they want (legally) but thats not what I am seeing happening. The whole discussion about what art is can be complex and contradictory but motorcycles in themselves are not art, they are consumer items although they can be an art form and we can appreciate them as such- there is a difference.

As for the Panigale, it's superior in many respects to earlier models and arguably safer with superb electronic aids. The power you get used to very quickly, old men like us shouldnt be doing 4th gear wheelies on public roads but there's a bit of mongrel left in this old fart and I for one would prefer to go out at 300ks (on a track of course) than sucking porridge through a straw at the old folks home. They are not cheap but I think the money is not that bad when a Japper of the same (or better) performance is about mid 30. These bikes are also designed with an ethos in mind, the whole package is congruous and elegant in the same way a bike designed by a marketing/accounting/engineering committee may miss the mark completely.

[pritch]

Cost me $1500, quite a lot on my $5 PH apprentice wage.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1122000348.jpg
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2279551329.htm?rsqid=e1ac585d005a4ea3b3548e6d2d9ca cb9-002

Now that I like. Mine cost $1750 new in 1973 IIRC. Not that I'm tempted now, but they were a good bike and they're recommended as an investment.

[Voltaire]

I suspect the OP was referring to the likes of this.
$4400.00 really....
I used to get given these.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1089825118.jpg
https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-2287653159.htm?rsqid=fd7b2b99532b433ab411ac0b01901 4ad-002

[Swoop]

Sorta like CRT tv's. Doesn't really matter how good they were back in the day they absolutely suck compared to anything modern.
Strangely, there is a BIG demand for decent CRT screens nowadays.
There is a bit of a cult following regarding "ancient" video games that display far better on one of those monitors. A mate sold one on BetradeMe and there was a good bidding-war because of this reason.

[sidecar bob]

The OP is talking like you can only have one bike.
I have a bike with traction control, abs & all that kind of shit, but during the colder shorter days when traversing the country isn't much fun, I've been getting a huge kick out of riding a '70's 750 Honda most weekends.
45 minutes on that thing on a Sunday afternoon on the right roads is worth nearly all day on a super modern.

[Beekeeper]

Not saying that at all, mutton dressed as lamb is delicious if you like mutton

[sidecar bob]

Not saying that at all, mutton dressed as lamb is delicious if you like mutton
It's mutton dressed up as mutton actually.
I enjoy all kinds of bikes. 19 kinds over six decades, several in each to be precise, I'd like to have more, but that's all I've got right now. We're in the same boat with our cars too.
I'm quite confident that there is no way my motorcycling needs could be met by one exotic sports bike from a single era, If yours can you are quite fortunate, as I'm sure it's the less expensive option.
It's a bugger, because now I've had to sell my business to free up time to maintain them, & then buy some industrial land & put up a building to house them.
I tell you, the costs soon mount up.

[Beekeeper]

That’s the point, those bikes that used to cost not much are now selling for moonbeams but still delivering glass brakes, rubber frames and cold porridge engines.

Its nothing to do with what I own or ride btw, unless I’m reading this forum incorrectly. That its elitist for old bikes and old gents. I happen to enjoy motorcycling but are really surprised at the prices paid for old very average bikes. I paid $400 for a 73 RD 350 in 1979, that same bike would be many thousands now. For what exactly?

[sidecar bob]

That’s the point, those bikes that used to cost not much are now selling for moonbeams but still delivering glass brakes, rubber frames and cold porridge engines.

Its nothing to do with what I own or ride btw, unless I’m reading this forum incorrectly. That its elitist for old bikes and old gents. I happen to enjoy motorcycling but are really surprised at the prices paid for old very average bikes. I paid $400 for a 73 RD 350 in 1979, that same bike would be many thousands now. For what exactly?
For nostalgia.
its not a new thing & its not going away.
Try Beach hop if you want to see people paying moonbeams to live in the past.
Im glad youre happy with the latest & greatest, we get it.

[jellywrestler]

That’s the point, those bikes that used to cost not much are now selling for moonbeams but still delivering glass brakes, rubber frames and cold porridge engines.

Its nothing to do with what I own or ride btw, unless I’m reading this forum incorrectly. That its elitist for old bikes and old gents. I happen to enjoy motorcycling but are really surprised at the prices paid for old very average bikes. I paid $400 for a 73 RD 350 in 1979, that same bike would be many thousands now. For what exactly?

some of it is to have the challenge in a ride, to master a bike on a ride, to use every bit of it. i remember my first new bike, an 81 gs550ex, i could scrape the pegs, i could feel it moving under me, of it's limit i could use most of it, how much of the modern bikes give people a sense of that?

[F5 Dave]

some of it is to have the challenge in a ride, to master a bike on a ride, to use every bit of it. i remember my first new bike, an 81 gs550ex, i could scrape the pegs, i could feel it moving under me, of it's limit i could use most of it, how much of the modern bikes give people a sense of that?

Ohh, ohh. Did you ever race Temporarily Kiwi?:first:

[Beekeeper]

some of it is to have the challenge in a ride, to master a bike on a ride, to use every bit of it. i remember my first new bike, an 81 gs550ex, i could scrape the pegs, i could feel it moving under me, of it's limit i could use most of it, how much of the modern bikes give people a sense of that?

What a load of romantic twaddle; it’s like saying “here smash your head against this wall, when you stop you will feel great”

Riding well is in the head mostly but all things being equal, modern bikes are light years ahead in virtually every area except for being old.

[Voltaire]

I did a google for what a Panigale was, used to the factory suburb from memory back in 04 when I called in .... 33 k😳. I’d have to flog all least 2 old shitters to buy that. Glass, Flexi and porridge it is then 😁

[Beekeeper]

Try paying for 200/60 rears which die every 2000 k’s
Getting reamed by Winston and his gang of misfits would be such a relief I’d probably be giving them reach arounds to show my gratitude

[Voltaire]

Try paying for 200/60 rears which die every 2000 k’s
Getting reamed by Winston and his gang of misfits would be such a relief I’d probably be giving them reach arounds to show my gratitude

Dunlop 3:50 19"'s last for ages and only about $180.00

I'm not sure I've ever noticed tyre prices dropping much with changes of Govt, more likely that lies with the importers ticket clipping.

[jellywrestler]

What a load of romantic twaddle; it’s like saying “here smash your head against this wall, when you stop you will feel great”

Riding well is in the head mostly but all things being equal, modern bikes are light years ahead in virtually every area except for being old.

how do explain the existence of classic racing, indeed, how do you explain the existance of any racing below moto gp level, excluding cost then??????

[george formby]

Bikes are visceral and modern bikes offer better performance for less input. :shifty:

If performance is the bench mark buy the next must have rocket, if riding satisfaction is the aim then buy what fits, even it seems to be an overpriced piece of shit. It's all about smiles per mile. And the individual.



My old man has had a plethora of the latest bikes hoping that one of them will tick his boxes. He's given up, underwhelmed by the owning and riding experience. I think the most recent bike he owns now is an early noughties CBR, nestled alongside his 2t's, Piaggio MP3, tourer and trials bikes.


Hopefully the value of the modern classic is on the rise. I could be sitting on a gold mine in a few years. My old man already is. Pretty much everything he owns is worth more than he paid for it. MP3 aside. So far.

[Beekeeper]

how do explain the existence of classic racing, indeed, how do you explain the existance of any racing below moto gp level, excluding cost then??????

That’s a whole new ball of wax, I never said all old bikes are shit, plenty are, anyway who wouldn’t like a spin around a track on any number of racing classics? But that’s not the topic, I grew up with shitty jap bikes that killed a lot of people due to being really shitty so it’s a real eye opener to see the same shitty bikes getting a spun as desirable classics.

[Stylo]

That’s a whole new ball of wax, I never said all old bikes are shit, plenty are, anyway who wouldn’t like a spin around a track on any number of racing classics? But that’s not the topic, I grew up with shitty jap bikes that killed a lot of people due to being really shitty so it’s a real eye opener to see the same shitty bikes getting a spun as desirable classics.

I grew up with Jap bikes too from the late '60's . You use the word shitty a lot . There's always been bike accidents and the fatalities following.

A desirable bike is always subjective. 5 c

[jellywrestler]

I grew up with shitty jap bikes that killed a lot of people I have many bikes, they're all inside my house and for the last twenty years i have slept well and not once woken up and found a bike about to kill me, and i'm going to sleep tonight and not lay their thinking that any one of them is going to come up the staris and kill me, i can assure you they simply won't.

[sidecar bob]

That’s a whole new ball of wax, I never said all old bikes are shit, plenty are, anyway who wouldn’t like a spin around a track on any number of racing classics? But that’s not the topic, I grew up with shitty jap bikes that killed a lot of people due to being really shitty so it’s a real eye opener to see the same shitty bikes getting a spun as desirable classics.
I think the only thing that's shitty is your opinion towards other people's values.
Why don't you fuck off & push your one eyed opinions on people that give a fuck about your Italian pile of shit & your small dick.

[sidecar bob]

I have many bikes, they're all inside my house and for the last twenty years i have slept well and not once woken up and found a bike about to kill me, and i'm going to sleep tonight and not lay their thinking that any one of them is going to come up the staris and kill me, i can assure you they simply won't.

The clown obviously can't control anything that doesn't do half the job for him & is trying to gather a posse that agree with him.
He couldn't ride back in the day & obviously still can't.

[Beekeeper]

Meh, each to his own. You can buy whatever you like. Personally I prefer to ride rather than keep overpriced mementos in my lounge.

[Beekeeper]

The clown obviously can't control anything that doesn't do half the job for him & is trying to gather a posse that agree with him.
He couldn't ride back in the day & obviously still can't.

Whatever, I thought this was a forum where people could express opinions about a common interest. Sadly it seems like it’s the crusty old fart convention.

[Beekeeper]

I think the only thing that's shitty is your opinion towards other people's values.
Why don't you fuck off & push your one eyed opinions on people that give a fuck about your Italian pile of shit & your small dick.

How about you get the last word in after my last word ha ha!!! Dont be such a fucktard and take things so personally just play the ball not the man you self centred ego maniac, I am not talking about you. I have only mentioned my bike in passing its not the subject, not that interesting (except for rear tire hunger) and neither am I.

I thought I made it clear, I have had heaps of Jap bikes from the "day" and all we did back then was try and improve them. Bikes really changed through the 90's and by the time the 2000's rolled around they were mostly pretty good. In fact most road bikes from 00's are not too far removed from todays bikes. We dont all aspire to black shadows and sohc hondas (had an 76 750 F1 once)

Said my bit, done my dash , shot my load on this subject so now its your turn sideshow knob

[sidecar bob]

Sorry, I didn't realise you had to have the last word, you should have said & I would have let you live that dream.
Go & pull some cool 4th gear monos while "booking it" on your Pani & get back to me on who's the ego maniac.
While you're at it, see if you can work out the difference between motorcycles as a passion, & simply owning a motorbike.

[F5 Dave]

I still find wheelies difficult and haven't really mastered changing gears to extend them. If modern bikes were really any good they'd have a Talentless Wheelie Control button (TWC tm). I'd use it while filtering to avoid SUV mirrors.

[ellipsis]

I still find wheelies difficult and haven't really mastered changing gears to extend them. If modern bikes were really any good they'd have a Talentless Wheelie Control button (TWC tm). .

I still haven't mastered the self control, that allows you to read some wanks opinions, espousing to be really meaningful, but really just some twat scratching a totally irrelevant itch that he's developed...and laying it out in front a very eclectic bunch of people who mistake this site as a 'motorcyclists site"...

...and thinking out loud... loud enough for my wife to say, 'whadd'ya yellin' at!'...

...Go and start another, I'll start a controversial thread where I can rub my doodle...you are late to the party...it ended a long while back...

....:love: ...Classic...

[Kickaha]

I still haven't mastered the self control, that allows you to read some wanks opinions, espousing to be really meaningful, but really just some twat scratching a totally irrelevant itch that he's developed...and laying it out in front a very eclectic bunch of people who mistake this site as a 'motorcyclists site"...

...and thinking out loud... loud enough for my wife to say, 'whadd'ya yellin' at!'...

...Go and start another, I'll start a controversial thread where I can rub my doodle...you are late to the party...it ended a long while back...

....:love: ...Classic...

Who asked for your opinion you Ginga cunt :bleh:

[Beekeeper]

True, I thought while I was scratching my arse I'd see if any of my opinionated drivel about old folks buying horrible bikes would be an interesting topic. Unfortunately it seems that I ended up in a tardis full of grumpy old cunts who own said bikes and who have also lost their sense of humour in direct proportion to the droop of their saggy grey balls.

Oh well I guess i have to start a thread about radar detectors and get the lecture :)

[ellipsis]

...3-1 ...next please...

[FJRider]

Whatever, I thought this was a forum where people could express opinions about a common interest. Sadly it seems like it’s the crusty old fart convention.

Oh you can. And THEY can express THEIR opinions too.

If you don't like to hear THEIR opinions ... fuck off now before your feelings get hurt.

[Laava]

True, I thought while I was scratching my arse I'd see if any of my opinionated drivel about old folks buying horrible bikes would be an interesting topic. Unfortunately it seems that I ended up in a tardis full of grumpy old cunts who own said bikes and who have also lost their sense of humour in direct proportion to the droop of their saggy grey balls.

Oh well I guess i have to start a thread about radar detectors and get the lecture :)

No, you got appropriate answers to your arrogant and continual put-downs of old/classic bikes and the people that own them. And then when you felt that you were being disrespected, you got all broken-arsed about it?

[sidecar bob]

Go & get a bulk deal on those 200/60's that you're cutting the centre out of 2000km Doin your sick az 4th gear monos.
It must be impressive to see you do them with one hand, clearly the other one is firmly jammed on your cock. You couldn't be that stupid if it wasn't.

[FJRider]

... Oh well I guess i have to start a thread about radar detectors and get the lecture :)

Not a good idea really ... you'll just get more opinions you don't like. And the you'll get offended when nobody agrees with your opinions ...

[Katman]

Jesus fucking christ.

It's just an opinion.

Some of you are too fucking precious for words.

:facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

Jesus fucking christ.

It's just an opinion.

Some of you are too fucking precious for words.

:facepalm:

Yeah, but we got it the first time he said it, & if it was countered with an opinion that differed from his own we were a bunch of crusty old fools for liking bikes like what you ride.
Do you want me to find a thread where you argue opinion tooth & nail, because it won't take me a minute:msn-wink:

[Katman]

Yeah, but we got it the first time he said it, & if it was countered with an opinion that differed from his own we were a bunch of crusty old fools for liking bikes like what you ride.

Have another read of post #7.

Does it really sound like a rational response to the original post?

[sidecar bob]

Have another read of post #7.

Does it really sound like a rational response to the original post?

Are we going to have a game of pot kettle here?:lol:

[Katman]

Are we going to have a game of pot kettle here?:lol:

You can play whatever game you like.

I'm simply pointing out yet another example of the Kiwibiker collective banding together and whipping each other into a frenzy over an opinion they don't like.

It's fucking pathetic.

[sidecar bob]

You can play whatever game you like.

I'm simply pointing out yet another example of the Kiwibiker collective banding together and whipping each other into a frenzy over an opinion they don't like.

It's fucking pathetic.

Did you actually read what you typed.:lol:

[Katman]

Did you actually read what you typed.:lol:

Did you even understand what I typed?

[rastuscat]

I browse for a GPz550H2 from time to time. Fond memories.

[FJRider]

... It's fucking pathetic.

So pathetic that you didn't even bother to comment.


Oh wait ... you did ... ;)

[FJRider]

I browse for a GPz550H2 from time to time. Fond memories.

I have fond memories riding SOC 750 Honda's ... age has dulled the bad memories.

[rastuscat]

I have fond memories riding SOC 750 Honda's ... age has dulled the bad memories.

Had a 1987 R80RT-P when I was a baby traffic cop. Thought it was the ducks nuts.

Rode one again a while back, couldn't believe how basic it was. Still cool, but old bikes required a lot more rider input.

[FJRider]

Had a 1987 R80RT-P when I was a baby traffic cop. Thought it was the ducks nuts.

Rode one again a while back, couldn't believe how basic it was. Still cool, but old bikes required a lot more rider input.

You want cool ... me on the red Honda in Ipoh, Malaysia 1980

[Voltaire]

Had a 1987 R80RT-P when I was a baby traffic cop. Thought it was the ducks nuts.

Rode one again a while back, couldn't believe how basic it was. Still cool, but old bikes required a lot more rider input.

I must take a modern bike for a ride and see what all the fuss is about as I'm quite happy to use my 83 R80ST as a daily rider.
50 HP, decent brakes, electric start and predictable handling are all I need really.
Rider input is what its all about surely...

[ellipsis]

I must take a modern bike for a ride and see what all the fuss is about as I'm quite happy to use my 83 R80ST as a daily rider.
50 HP, decent brakes, electric start and predictable handling are all I need really.
Rider input is what its all about surely...


After getting to ride some of the hottest, new fangled, super duper, silly speed, grossly expensive, motorcycles...over the last couple of years...just 'cos I was asked to...I really was pleased to say to myself, after the hectic, never getting any feedback, paranoic mirror glancing for the red and blue lights...

'I can't wait to get back on my old, tapped out at 185 k, ill handling, piece of shit in many eyes, bike that I love'...

...to each their own...but crowing about irrelevant opinions...meh...

[Paul in NZ]

Had a 1987 R80RT-P when I was a baby traffic cop. Thought it was the ducks nuts.

Rode one again a while back, couldn't believe how basic it was. Still cool, but old bikes required a lot more rider input.

If by input you mean maintenance then yes... If input when riding? Yeah no I don't think so... The TR6C handles very naturally and requires no apex consideration, counter steering (albeit you do it anyway) or weight transfer.. It just goes... Its very relaxing to ride....

[sidecar bob]

A poor tradesman always blames his tools.

[F5 Dave]

What about a Rich one?

[jellywrestler]

What about a Rich one?

is there such a thing?

[Voltaire]

Good quality tools make every task you undertake become a piece of cake......

[Kickaha]

Its very relaxing to ride....
I'm finding that about the BSA


A poor tradesman always blames his tools.

Because a poor tradesman has poor tools


Good quality tools make every task you undertake become a piece of cake......

Mmmmm Cake

[ellipsis]

Good quality tools make every task you undertake become a piece of cake......


...only if you have the acumen or skill to use them...

[Voltaire]

...only if you have the acumen or skill to use them...

You can learn all that...I was forced to when my VW Beetle put a valve thru a piston and the old man gave me a Haynes Manual and a Powerchief socket set ( made in Hong Kong crap).
The day I take a bike into the shop for an oil and filter change I'll hang up my leathers...... :violin:

[F5 Dave]

is there such a thing?
Well I was playing on words, but to answer your question, yeah. If he grows his business, employs well and gets good contracts. A builder. A refrigeration tech. A machinist. These are 3 of the richest people I know.

[rok-the-boat]

I grew up with 70's bikes and like to see them running about but I know that a lot of them were really crap in their day. I had lotsa two strokes - and so did all my mates - and most seized up at some time or other. Would be fun to have one but I wouldn't dare venture far on it. Would probably junk the oil pump and run pre-mix. There are not many oldies I would actually consider buying today. I rebuilt an old DR500 about 10 years ago and ran it for 5 years. It was reliable. Shoulda kept it I guess. Modern bikes are 10 times more reliable.

[Beekeeper]

Ditto, they were as you say mostly rubbish compared to todays bikes. Contrary to opinion of the cabal of cunts who seem to own this place I do like classic bikes including 70's models (who doesnt love a 77 900SS?) but seeing anything old especially in jap crap in mint condition going for silly money I find very amusing. Its as if people have forgotten how bad they were as they start singing along at the pub about the good old days when men where men and H2's spat you off left right and centre. Speaking of which I see that purple H2 is now listed at 20 something k, all I can say is good luck mate because sooner later some moron will buy it!

[jellywrestler]

Ditto, they were as you say mostly rubbish compared to todays bikes. Contrary to opinion of the cabal of cunts who seem to own this place I do like classic bikes including 70's models (who doesnt love a 77 900SS?) but seeing anything old especially in jap crap in mint condition going for silly money I find very amusing. Its as if people have forgotten how bad they were as they start singing along at the pub about the good old days when men where men and H2's spat you off left right and centre. Speaking of which I see that purple H2 is now listed at 20 something k, all I can say is good luck mate because sooner later some moron will buy it!

you couldn't give me a 79SS900. a red 78 Darmah i'd crawl over broken glass to get.

[jellywrestler]

Well I was playing on words, but to answer your question, yeah. If he grows his business, employs well and gets good contracts. A builder. A refrigeration tech. A machinist. These are 3 of the richest people I know.

yeah but then he's no longer a tradesman, he's a business owner and manager.

[SaferRides]

I still have fond memories of some of the bikes I rode in the 70's. But I would not want to own any of them today.

[Voltaire]

you couldn't give me a 79SS900. a red 78 Darmah i'd crawl over broken glass to get.

I’m glad mine is black and gold as only have a small first aid kit.( was originally red but was painted a horrible maroon colour, repainted it in ‘87)

[Beekeeper]

I still have fond memories of some of the bikes I rode in the 70's. But I would not want to own any of them today.

I have memories but not fond, it involves tires made of glass, undercarriage to suit a 747, two fisted brakes, powerbands the size of a gnats cock, chewing gum swingarms, points, friction steering dampers and road rash- plenty of road rash....

[F5 Dave]

Maybe you should have bought a nice little car:baby:

[Beekeeper]

Maybe you should have bought a nice little car:baby:

What? Like a Commer Cob, a 55 morrie splitscreen, a vauxhall viva?

[jellywrestler]

I have memories but not fond, it involves tires made of glass, undercarriage to suit a 747, two fisted brakes, powerbands the size of a gnats cock, chewing gum swingarms, points, friction steering dampers and road rash- plenty of road rash....

yip and we didn't have cell phones microwaves, internet saturday shopping but we all lived well in the day, and our bikes were a generation better than the old mans bikes

[Beekeeper]

yip and we didn't have cell phones microwaves, internet saturday shopping but we all lived well in the day, and our bikes were a generation better than the old mans bikes

Fair comment, we even thought old bikes were shit then. I clearly remember going to a codgers place on Mt Wellington Highway to look at a vincent black shadow in bits for $500 that he had bought new. Too hard, bought an RD 350 instead- what a dumbarse!

[SaferRides]

Fair comment, we even thought old bikes were shit then. I clearly remember going to a codgers place on Mt Wellington Highway to look at a vincent black shadow in bits for $500 that he had bought new. Too hard, bought an RD 350 instead- what a dumbarse!When you're young, you just want to ride and not fix bikes. Then when you get older some people seem to prefer fixing to riding.

Not me though!

[Laava]

yip and we didn't have cell phones microwaves, internet saturday shopping but we all lived well in the day, and our bikes were a generation better than the old mans bikes
And you try and tell the young people of today that!

[Katman]

And you try and tell the young people of today that!

And that's the problem with the current junior Eco-warrior movement.

They haven't realised that the greatest benefit to the environment would be to stop manufacturing all their toys.

[pritch]

What? Like a Commer Cob, a 55 morrie splitscreen, a vauxhall viva?

Aaah there you go. The ultimate 'custom' then was a high headlight Morrie Minor with a low headlight grill. Wow! Four headlights. Magic.

That being back in the day when Joseph Lucas was the prince of darkness, the illumination would have been nothing marvellous anyway.

Makes me smile to recall this, but seriously, who would want to own any of that now? Not me.

[Laava]

And that's the problem with the current junior Eco-warrior movement.

They haven't realised that the greatest benefit to the environment would be to stop manufacturing all their toys.

It was a joke Sheldon.

[Katman]

It was a joke Sheldon.

I don't do jokes.