Tragic

[actungbaby]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300002973/motorcyclist-killed-after-serious-crash-in-palmerston-north?cid=app-android

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[jasonu]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300002973/motorcyclist-killed-after-serious-crash-in-palmerston-north?cid=app-android

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Yes tragic he died but that is a reasonably likely outcome if you are riding like a douchbag which, according to a witness he was.

[Bonez]

Yes, It just happened around the corner from us. The rider was being an idiot. Fell sorry for the driver of the car and the riders family. A few more bikes on the road this week and non were doing what this dick did. Darwins Law in action.

[Navy Boy]

Yep - Tragic all round and I suspect this won't be the last such incident we see in the coming weeks/months post lockdown.

However you've got to love the quote - '...must have been doing at least 130km/hr...' Really, so you can magically tell how fast he was going can you? Stuff - Not letting the facts get in the way of a good story for as long as anyone can remember :weird:

[Bonez]

Yep - Tragic all round and I suspect this won't be the last such incident we see in the coming weeks/months post lockdown.

However you've got to love the quote - '...must have been doing at least 130km/hr...' Really, so you can magically tell how fast he was going can you? Stuff - Not letting the facts get in the way of a good story for as long as anyone can remember :weird:The seriousness of the impact on the car and the fact that the front wheel was snapped off indicates he wasn't doing 50kmh.:yes:

[rastuscat]

The seriousness of the impact on the car and the fact that the front wheel was snapped off indicates he wasn't doing 50kmh.:yes:


Serious Crash will put a range of speeds on the bike speed, based on deflection of the car at impact, and a variety of other factors.

Not that anything will bring the rider back.

Whose fault it is means nothing. Society has lost another human unnecessarily. Frustrating.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If he was hauling arse (to be confirmed) I am impressed by the structural integrity of the Honder. Side intrusion bars seem to be worthwhile

[sidecar bob]

If he was hauling arse (to be confirmed) I am impressed by the structural integrity of the Honder. Side intrusion bars seem to be worthwhile

Shame about the nice 'blade tho.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Shame about the nice 'blade tho.

true. If the impact was 130kph he could conceivably have been in first gear....

[actungbaby]

The seriousness of the impact on the car and the fact that the front wheel was snapped off indicates he wasn't doing 50kmh.:yes:So that means dick in SUV
Can just drive in front of him does it.
I seen this young man because.
He owned same 1997 Honda
Cbr 900 rr as mine,
Yes the headstock was riped out the
Frame wheel forks connected still.
That intersection notorious.since
I moved here in late 80.s
Everone quick to judgement.
So assuming none of you done
Anything fun in your lives.
I heard saw bike day before.and
Think was him going way to fast,
But he was in complete control.

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[actungbaby]

Serious Crash will put a range of speeds on the bike speed, based on deflection of the car at impact, and a variety of other factors.

Not that anything will bring the rider back.

Whose fault it is means nothing. Society has lost another human unnecessarily. Frustrating.Thank you. I was same situation.
At same age but was very lucky.
I was doing 60 kph .
Told cop when asked me he didint,
Worry as was car drivers fault.
As in this case .no don't about it.
The bike can accerate very fast.
I totally Belive is dangerous intersection,it's two lane each side
Main route out Palmerston North.
Why you want traffic crossing two ,
Lane then doing hard right ,with no
Merging lane is mad .

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[Berries]

So that means dick in SUV
Can just drive in front of him does it.
I seen this young man because.
He owned same 1997 Honda
Cbr 900 rr as mine,
Yes the headstock was riped out the
Frame wheel forks connected still.
That intersection notorious.since
I moved here in late 80.s
Everone quick to judgement.
So assuming none of you done
Anything fun in your lives.
I heard saw bike day before.and
Think was him going way to fast,
But he was in complete control.

Interested to know how fast you think someone should be allowed to travel coming up to a notorious intersection before you give the poor sod pulling out a bit of leeway rather than calling him a dick?

[HenryDorsetCase]

taking that 130kph number (again, unproven) that is 36m/sec. Count one mississippi two misssissippi three mississippi and he has gone longer than a rugby field. a 747 wingspan is slightly shorter than this at 68.5m. So in under two seconds this guy IF travelling at 130kph travelled the wingspan of a 747.

[Bonez]

So that means dick in SUV

Sent from my CPH1941 using TapatalkNo the dick was riding the bike far too fast in a 50kmh zone....He's just won the Darwin Award...

The SUV driver was most likely thinking the bike was doing 55-60ish or so which quite common on that stretch of road.... Oops Also it is a well known problem intersection. And there were witnesses most probably a few most probablly on the side walk on both sides of the street as well as other drivers.. As mentioned I live just around the corner off Vogel Street. I use it quite a lot.

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[sidecar bob]

If you decide to do circa 130kmh in a 50kmh area, be prepared for other motorists to be checking for traffic at less than half your required range before they pull out.
Using those quick mental time distance calculations we all use when about to pull out of a give way, the motorist would have been caught completely off guard.

[Bonez]

If you decide to do circa 130kmh in a 50kmh area, be prepared for other motorists to be checking for traffic at less than half your required range before they pull out.
Using those quick mental time distance calculations we all use when about to pull out of a give way, the motorist would have been caught completely off guard.
Exactly...................... It's shit like this that gives motorcyclists a bad name,

[rastuscat]

It's difficult enough to judge the speed of an oncoming motorcycle, without that judgement being exacerbated by excess speed.

The looming effect, when combined with motion camouflage, produces too many crashes like this.

If we are aware that an intersection is dangerous, how about we treat the intersection as if it is...............dangerous.

Still, every word spoken or written after the crash won't change the outcome.

[sidecar bob]

Anything at 2.6 times the scale you are accustomed to would be difficult to get your head around in the first go.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Anything at 2.6 times the scale you are accustomed to would be difficult to get your head around in the first go.

thats what SHE said

[Bonez]

Generally only in the busy hours is the intersection a real problem. Few lanes to cross. Napier Rd/Main Rd is four lanes from the Terrace End lights to the town boundary. But usually at every few weeks there is some sort of incident were this crash occurred.. Traffic lights or possibly a roundabout would certainly help. Would slow traffic a bit before hitting the boundary. The same goes for the next intersection down as that is on a road drop out of town, rise into town just by the new AFC Motorcycle location.

The "it's always the tin tops fault" doesn't help here....

[nzspokes]

But he was in complete control.



Apparently not.

[caspernz]

Speed appropriate to the conditions? Nope.

Rider in control of bike? Nope again.

Motorcycle in accident last registered over 6 years ago...anybody see the pattern developing :brick::innocent::facepalm:

[Laava]

So you're saying he was a meth head with no license and a string of driving convictions?

[Berries]

So you're saying he was a meth head with no license and a string of driving convictions?
That's a bit much isn't it going on a report in Stuff? Obviously caspernz has checked the rego from the plate in the photo but other than that all we know is the dude was 21. When I was 21 I was a complete twat on the road but I managed to get away with it. Some don't.

That's why me Mum never wanted me to have a bike.

[Laava]

That's a bit much isn't it going on a report in Stuff? Obviously caspernz has checked the rego from the plate in the photo but other than that all we know is the dude was 21. When I was 21 I was a complete twat on the road but I managed to get away with it. Some don't.

That's why me Mum never wanted me to have a bike.
Yeah it was really in response to "anybody see a pattern developing", so not entirely serious...

[Navy Boy]

The seriousness of the impact on the car and the fact that the front wheel was snapped off indicates he wasn't doing 50kmh.:yes:

Absolutely agree Bonez - The chap was clearly going too fast for the conditions (Be they weather, road, traffic etc.) and sadly paid the ultimate price.

However the media are very quick to use so-called facts to spice up a story without actually bothering to check for any substance behind them. This figure will get quoted again, quite possibly during the subsequent investigation, and will become a given despite having no basis in truth. That's what frustrates me. Plus like others have said nothing that is said will bring him back - So why enflame an already sad situation by throwing poorly thought out reporting into the mix? :no:

[Bonez]

His speed would have been closer to 130kph than 50kph looking at the damage caused to the car and the bike so closer to the truth than not......:yes:

[Berries]

You should work for the SCU.

[Bonez]

I examined my step sons bike after he was killed riding it like a dick on cold tires....

[russd7]

. When I was 21 I was a complete twat on the road but I managed to get away with it. Some don't.

That's why me Mum never wanted me to have a bike.
at 21 i was a very conscientious rider, all those no warrant and speeding tickets i got were just the MOT picking on me, my dad dind't want me getting a bike because he was an ambo officer at the time, and im still just a temporary Kiwi 30 something years later

[caspernz]

So you're saying he was a meth head with no license and a string of driving convictions?

Not at all.

No warrant.

No rego.

Too fast for the conditions.

The pattern is an attitude that the rules don't apply to me, no need to twist it into something I haven't said.

We've all been young and exuberant at some stage, not everyone gets away with it.

[GazzaH]

Nothing can un-do this incident ... but talking and thinking about it might just help someone here avoid or mitigate the next one, especially if we knew the facts rather than purely speculating.

[rastuscat]

Nothing can un-do this incident ... but talking and thinking about it might just help someone here avoid or mitigate the next one, especially if we knew the facts rather than purely speculating.

Thing is, anyone who reads this thread is likely a human. Humans have a thing called optimism bias.

Until something bad happens to us, we don't believe that it will happen to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias

By deduction, if we don't think it'll happen to us, we won't do anything to prevent it.

Add that to illusory superiority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

So we continue to behave as we see fit, and for some of us, it goes wrong.

Overcoming optimism bias is the greatest challenge in road safety.

[sidecar bob]

Thing is, anyone who reads this thread is likely a human. Humans have a thing called optimism bias.

Until something bad happens to us, we don't believe that it will happen to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias

By deduction, if we don't think it'll happen to us, we won't do anything to prevent it.

So we continue to behave as we see fit, and for some of us, it goes wrong.

Overcoming optimism bias is the greatest challenge in road safety.

This also makes for an interesting read.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-preservation
Self preservation instinct is lower in creatures less suitable to pass their genes on.
Gets very interesting where it goes Into laws surrounding seatbelts etc.
I've often noticed on motorway patrol that it's people that probably shouldn't be breeding that get pulled up for safety breaches.
It also goes some way to explaining poor hygiene, lack of forethought & a disregard for the survival based laws & guidelines, that we have seen a complete contempt for in recent weeks amongst certain groups of society.

[HenryDorsetCase]

This also makes for an interesting read.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-preservation
Self preservation instinct is lower in creatures less suitable to pass their genes on.
Gets very interesting where it goes Into laws surrounding seatbelts etc.
I've often noticed on motorway patrol that it's people that probably shouldn't be breeding that get pulled up for safety breaches.
It also goes some way to explaining poor hygiene, lack of forethought & a disregard for the survival based laws & guidelines, that we have seen a complete contempt for in recent weeks amongst certain groups of society.

Don't worry, after the regime change you and I can be in charge of who gets licences to reproduce. Its going to solve a LOT of problems.

[FlangMasterJ]

So that means dick in SUV
Can just drive in front of him does it.
I seen this young man because.
He owned same 1997 Honda
Cbr 900 rr as mine,
Yes the headstock was riped out the
Frame wheel forks connected still.
That intersection notorious.since
I moved here in late 80.s
Everone quick to judgement.
So assuming none of you done
Anything fun in your lives.
I heard saw bike day before.and
Think was him going way to fast,
But he was in complete control.

My ass being the last thing to go through my head isn't my idea of fun but whatever floats your boat.

[actungbaby]

Speed appropriate to the conditions? Nope.

Rider in control of bike? Nope again.

Motorcycle in accident last registered over 6 years ago...anybody see the pattern developing :brick::innocent::facepalm:That's B's I brought accident damaged bike .bikes get degrestred.
Sold he was a kid .so much whouldint.been old enough.
Sick this judgement ..attitudes.
Your a fool to judge .with limited.
Knowledge .


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[actungbaby]

So you're saying he was a meth head with no license and a string of driving convictions?Where moderation who cares what.
That moron thinks .I care and
It's very uncool speak of young man
Who died tragically young.what
Indictment on .people on here.
Seem to love there mates .skating of
All that takes there fancy.
Gee wonder any new people don't.
Stick around.age is the area for bitter and cynical to judge others.

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[actungbaby]

Absolutely agree Bonez - The chap was clearly going too fast for the conditions (Be they weather, road, traffic etc.) and sadly paid the ultimate price.

However the media are very quick to use so-called facts to spice up a story without actually bothering to check for any substance behind them. This figure will get quoted again, quite possibly during the subsequent investigation, and will become a given despite having no basis in truth. That's what frustrates me. Plus like others have said nothing that is said will bring him back - So why enflame an already sad situation by throwing poorly thought out reporting into the mix? :no:Yes his parents and friends put flowers up.i saw him once .
What I saw he was riding fine.
That's accident black spot.
I know I live here.

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[actungbaby]

His speed would have been closer to 130kph than 50kph looking at the damage caused to the car and the bike so closer to the truth than not......:yes:What B's you just spoke .

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[actungbaby]

I examined my step sons bike after he was killed riding it like a dick on cold tires....What nonesence statement u idiot
No it was ton of car parked in his lane. Road riders don't have tire warmers lol.you sound like no it all.

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[actungbaby]

Not at all.

No warrant.

No rego.

Too fast for the conditions.

The pattern is an attitude that the rules don't apply to me, no need to twist it into something I haven't said.

We've all been young and exuberant at some stage, not everyone gets away with it.You can't get warrent till bikes certified ditto rego .
What's your point if was all those things .car driver didint look .
End of story .

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[actungbaby]

Nothing can un-do this incident ... but talking and thinking about it might just help someone here avoid or mitigate the next one, especially if we knew the facts rather than purely speculating.Agreed .100 :% coroner will judge just that.

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[actungbaby]

This also makes for an interesting read.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-preservation
Self preservation instinct is lower in creatures less suitable to pass their genes on.
Gets very interesting where it goes Into laws surrounding seatbelts etc.
I've often noticed on motorway patrol that it's people that probably shouldn't be breeding that get pulled up for safety breaches.
It also goes some way to explaining poor hygiene, lack of forethought & a disregard for the survival based laws & guidelines, that we have seen a complete contempt for in recent weeks amongst certain groups of society.Yes and your talking fu@# sh#$
And if topic.get self important
Ego driven people have kids .
Doesint work like that .nature vs
Nuture .omg .

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[actungbaby]

My ass being the last thing to go through my head isn't my idea of fun but whatever floats your boat.What are you talking about.
Maybe just keep silly nonsence
To yourself u think humorous.
To joke at somones experience.

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[actungbaby]

Yes tragic he died but that is a reasonably likely outcome if you are riding like a douchbag which, according to a witness he was.Least he just according to you.
Ride like one your embodiment of that.and spills out your mouth too.

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[nzspokes]

Least he just according to you.
Ride like one your embodiment of that.and spills out your mouth too.

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Might pay to lay off the booze before you post.

[jasonu]

Least he just according to you.
Ride like one your embodiment of that.and spills out your mouth too.

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So everyone is full of it except you?

[caspernz]

That's B's I brought accident damaged bike .bikes get degrestred.
Sold he was a kid .so much whouldint.been old enough.
Sick this judgement ..attitudes.
Your a fool to judge .with limited.
Knowledge .

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You'd be surprised what some of us know. Admire your passion on the subject, misguided as it is. If this accident was at or near posted limit, damage to vehicles would've been much less.



You can't get warrent till bikes certified ditto rego .
What's your point if was all those things .car driver didint look .
End of story .

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As I said already, attitude decides outcome, some of us get away with it and some don't. Part of the growing up process.

Car driver would be expecting approaching vehicle to be at or near posted limit, which in this instance clearly wasn't the case.

Misbehave on a bike, you could end up hurt or dead. End of story.

[JimO]

Might pay to lay off the booze before you post.
i doubt english is his first language

[Stylo]

i doubt english is his first language

Grammar please. Capital I and an E for your english. Just saying. He who cast's the first stone.....

Where were you educated ...?

[onearmedbandit]

Grammar please. Capital I and an E for your english. Just saying. He who cast's the first stone.....

Where were you educated ...?

Cast's?? Something about glass houses and stones. Or for you house's and stone's...

[Stylo]

Cast's?? Something about glass houses and stones. Or for you house's and stone's...

Try ...cast . Hope that fixed it .

[FJRider]

That's B's I brought accident damaged bike .bikes get degrestred.
Sold he was a kid .so much whouldint.been old enough.
Sick this judgement ..attitudes.
Your a fool to judge .with limited.
Knowledge .

The bike was last registered six years ago.

Six years ago he probably wasn't the owner.

Another motorcyclist has proved ACC could have been right all along, and I'm sick of that happening too.

Fools make rash accusations without checking known facts.

Limited knowledge is not his issue ... limited patience for idiots is.

Start basing your statements on facts ... not opinions.

[Bonez]

Grammar please. Capital I and an E for your english. Just saying. He who cast's the first stone.....

Where were you educated ...?You miss quoted. He who is without sin cast's the fist so. Or something like that. Where were you educated

[FJRider]

Where moderation who cares what.
That moron thinks .I care and
It's very uncool speak of young man
Who died tragically young.what
Indictment on .people on here.
Seem to love there mates .skating of
All that takes there fancy.
Gee wonder any new people don't.
Stick around.age is the area for bitter and cynical to judge others.

Moderators can't save you here ...

Tragic is when the accident is not of his making ... when all the factors involved in the accident are not his mistakes ... In this accident they were.

I've had mates die in similar circumstances ... and they were doing stupid shit too. Some get away with it ... and some don't. He didn't.

For some strange reason ... some see motorcycling as cheating death (and then fail at that). And I hear motorcycle sales are up. Go figure ...

Bitter and cynical ... because idiots do stupid shit, and expect everybody else to feel sorry for them when they fuck it up.

You can be stupid and die old. But that's not the way to bet. How far (and long) will you push your luck .. ???

[JimO]

Grammar please. Capital I and an E for your english. Just saying. He who cast's the first stone.....

Where were you educated ...?
go fuck youself