Biden

[husaberg]

Well, yes information was suppressed, so it would of effected votes to a point. However, my friend from a wordpress group i attended in the states could not vote as those nice republicans had removed the ballet drop boxes in his area, so he never got the chance as the queue he had to stand in did not reach the voting area before cut off. Swings and round a bouts. As I repeatedly say, both parties as bad as each other, just in different ways. People with both eyes open can see it.

Yes i Remember how a politician used campaign funds to buy news storys so the wouldn't be printed.


Appears to be the third instance of Trump associates paying to suppress embarrassing stories about the candidate during the 2016 Presidential race. In August, 2016, A.M.I. paid Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model, a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for her story about a nine-month affair with Trump, and then never published an article about it. (A.M.I. said her story was not credible.) In October, 2016, Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, paid Stephanie Clifford, an adult-film actress who performs under the name Stormy Daniels, a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to keep her account of an affair with Trump secret. (Clifford’s agreement was distinct from McDougal’s in that it was arranged directly with Cohen. A.M.I. was not party to the contracts between Cohen and Clifford that have been released.)
Two of the former A.M.I. employees said they believed that Cohen was in close contact with A.M.I. executives while the company’s reporters were looking into Sajudin’s story, as Cohen had been during other investigations related to Trump. “Cohen was kept up to date on a regular basis,” one source said. Contacted by telephone on Wednesday, Cohen said that he was not available to talk. Subsequent efforts to reach him were unsuccessful. On Monday, F.B.I. agents raided Cohen’s hotel and office. The Times reported that the agents were looking for records related to the payments to McDougal and Clifford, as well as correspondence between Cohen, Pecker, and Dylan Howard, A.M.I.’s chief content officer.ate in 2015, a former Trump Tower doorman named Dino Sajudin met with a reporter from American Media, Inc., the publisher of the National Enquirer, at a McDonald’s in Pennsylvania. A few weeks earlier, Sajudin had signed a contract with A.M.I., agreeing to become a source and to accept thirty thousand dollars for exclusive rights to information he had been told: that Donald Trump, who had launched his Presidential campaign five months earlier, may have fathered a child with a former employee

[TheDemonLord]

Yes i Remember how a politician used campaign funds to buy news storys so the wouldn't be printed.

Yeah - and pray tell - what do you think is more important?

Billionaire has an Affair
or
President taking money from an enemy state

I'm not saying affairs are good, but rich/powerful guys fucking young, attractive women isn't new and it's not a threat to national security. Taking money from the CCP however....

[pritch]

YTaking money from the CCP however

That seems very selective. Would taking money from the CCP, and we must not forget all those Chinese trade marks Ivanka obtained, be worse than taking Russian money? There was reportedly Russian money in the Brexit campaign. There have been Russians, and Russian money, in the US Republican party heirarchy since John McCain's presidential campaign.

[TheDemonLord]

That seems very selective. Would taking money from the CCP, and we must not forget all those Chinese trade marks Ivanka obtained, worse than taking Russian money? There was reportedly Russian money in the Brexit campaign. There have been Russians, and Russian money, in the US Republican party heirarchy since John McCain's presidential campaign.

I mean, first and foremost is that companies in China must have part ownership by the CCP - so just on that basis alone - yes it's worse.

But then at this point the 'Muh Russia' hoax is just that, a Conspiracy theory of the LWNJ.

And to add, that's not the only at best 'improper' conduct that the Laptop revealed.

[pritch]

But then at this point the 'Muh Russia' hoax is just that, a Conspiracy theory of the LWNJ.


I guess Maria Buttina was jailed by mistake? The NRA weren't funneling Ruassian cash, and there are no Russians still holding positions in the GOP, Jared Kusher never tried to set up a back channel to Moscow from the Russian embassy, and Trump wasn't trying to get a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 election despite his denials to the contrary. The Mueller report mentioned hundreds of contacts between Trump's campaign and Russians, but OK it was just a conspiracy theory...




And to add, that's not the only at best 'improper' conduct that the Laptop revealed.

I've seen where the owner of the computer shop in question claims what was on the laptop. He said there was something he thought might be a security concern. He specifically discounted the prurient speculations of the RWNJs.

[TheDemonLord]

I guess Maria Buttina was jailed by mistake? The NRA weren't funneling Ruassian cash, and there are no Russians still holding positions in the GOP, Jared Kusher never tried to set up a back channel to Moscow from the Russian embassy, and Trump wasn't trying to get a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 election despite his denials to the contrary. The Mueller report mentioned hundreds of contacts between Trump's campaign and Russians, but OK it was just a conspiracy theory...

I'm waiting for the part where you present evidence that the Russians actually paid money to Trump.
Or significantly influenced the Election.
Or directly influenced Trump.

Y'know - the actual reason for the Investigation.

Until then, it's a LWNJ Conspiracy theory, based on a lie and illegally obtained information, propagated through the biggest spreaders of 'Misinformation' ever.


I've seen where the owner of the computer shop in question claims what was on the laptop. He said there was something he thought might be a security concern. He specifically discounted the prurient speculations of the RWNJs.

And what specifically was he discounting? And again, I want to point this out - you're crucifying Trump on the basis of way less evidence.

[pritch]

I'm waiting for the part where you present evidence that the Russians actually paid money to Trump.
Or significantly influenced the Election.
Or directly influenced Trump.

Y'know - the actual reason for the Investigation.

Until then, it's a LWNJ Conspiracy theory, based on a lie and illegally obtained information, propagated through the biggest spreaders of 'Misinformation' ever.



And what specifically was he discounting? And again, I want to point this out - you're crucifying Trump on the basis of way less evidence.


Paedophila specifically. The fevered imaginings of RWNJs speculate that's what is on the laptop. If there was something worse they'd be suggesting that was on it too.


If you put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah nah nah it doesn't actually mean there isn't any evidence.

[TheDemonLord]

Paedophila specifically. The fevered imaginings of RWNJs speculate that's what is on the laptop. If there was something worse they'd be suggesting that was on it too.

Okay - and please, show me where I've said or even hinted that Hunter Biden liked to diddle kids? Cause that's one hell of a Strawman...


If you put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah nah nah it doesn't actually mean there isn't any evidence.

Is that like the Evidence you presented, where the guy was convicted of lying about the Muh Russia hoax to the FBI?
Or where you said the Australian Diplomat confirmed it, only for him to say publicly 'that didn't happen'?

Just because you've read it in a biased newspaper with an Agenda, doesn't actually mean it's 'Evidence'.

[husaberg]

Odd that we needed a Biden thread didn't some dicks still claim trump won....

[sugilite]

I think Elon is a big enough Troll to go through with it. The guy seems to not give a shit and he appears to have some serious moral convictions about the nature of Free Speech.
With each passing day, my feelings he is not actually going to go through with it grow. Time will tell.



Well, tell me this: What do you call it when there's a very damaging bit of news to one side in an Election cycle and then multiple News, Media and Social Media institutions declare the Information verboten on pain of Death?
Well, as both sides do similar, coverup damaging stories etc, I would call it an american election cycle.



That sort of artificial rigging as far as I'm concerned is sufficient to use the word 'Stolen' (or as they said 'Fortified'). I'll grant you that you probably don't consider it strong enough for that wording, but I trust at the very least you would consider that sort of cartel-like behaviour to be a form of Rigging.
Actually yes, however from my observations both sides rigging for the 2020 election cycle was extra creative and pretty much cancelled each other out.



Had Biden cancelled, reversed or scaled back any of the relevant policies that are causal to the mess we are currently in, I might let that argument slide - but he didn't, instead he tripled down on them - so no, not buying it in the slightest - all the fallout from Covid is entirely due to Government Policy.
Yes, both administations policies. Covid is a cunt.



As for Afghanistan - Trump has been clear that his plans was to pull out the Civvies, then Equipment, then Military - Would have been a clean exit? Most likely not.

Would it have been the absolute clusterfuck that happened under Biden? I don't think you could have done any worse even if you actively tried.
Talk is cheap, any talk from trump about the Afghanistan withdraw can be taken as seriously as his healthcare replacement for obama care. Talk is cheap.




Still a galaxy away from how harsh your critique of Trump is/was. In addition, it's not just the level of critique, but the level of critique for what they have done.

I put it to you this way: Imagine for a moment that Trump was the president of just the Afghanistan withdrawal - what would you be saying to the likes of me?

You wouldn't be saying things like 'Trump is a bit Doddery" - No, I think the criticism would be more like:

"How can you even support this Person? This just shows why complete amateurs who have never held any political office should not be allowed to be President - he's absolutely incompetent - what would you expect from someone who dodged the draft? Military expertise? He's an embarrassment the world over and...."
Look, you will have to deal with your willful incomprehension without my help. I've explained Trumps personality is why he cops it more. He says he actively looks to create friction - there is a price tag for that.



Well, there are more than just me and R650 who like Trump, however unlike them, they don't tend to wade into Politics
Who am i to deny people their imaginary friends :whistle:


I mean, Fair shake of the stick - you had a 4 year long witch hunt, based on dodgy information illegally obtained (Muh Russia), constant smear pieces and selective editing of quotes etc.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you no less than 6 - yes six - SIX benghahzi investigations bought by Republican-controlled House committees!
I'll give you a half point by attempting to make out witch hunts were the exclusive purvey of the radical left :lol:



I don't think that could be considered a Fair shake - but that's not the point - All the things you stated:

"beyond bombastic, mean tweets, constantly overstates his abilities, and lies like a motherfucker. "I would of run in there unarmed and taken on the gunman at that school" conveniently forgetting daddy funded his multiple draft dodges etc"

Are just Words.
Holy Shit! "Just Words"!!! You just handed me an infinitum amount of get out of jail free cards! Any time you moan henceforth about something some one has said, I will wheel out this gift of a quote, cheers bro. :woohoo:
I could also take it as evidence of your ever deeper sinking into RWNJism.
The defender of free speech on KB reduced to saying words don't matter in defense of his man. Touching, but ultimately weak and delusional at the same time.



Whereas when I pay my Mortgage and see that the interest rate has gone up, when I look at the cost of Petrol, when I look at the cost of my weekly shop, when I get notices from Day Care/Gym/Council/whoever that prices are going up - those are of greater concern to me than a few mean things.
Yeah, look at those big bills in my letterbox, fuck you jacinda, scott, borris, biden, putin, macron, bonsanaro, trudeu etc, etc, etc :pinch:


So you tell me - what deserves a greater kicking - the person who runs their mouth or the person who ends up costing you money for their incompetence?
Both, but big mouth bully gets more every time for me - call it a character flaw ;)

[TheDemonLord]

With each passing day, my feelings he is not actually going to go through with it grow. Time will tell.

I believe from the publicly available info - He's secured financing, he's offered a share price, it's been accepted by the Board.

I don't think it's at a point where he's going to back out. Others may try to block it - but my understanding is he's done everything he needs to, short of paying the cash and taking ownership.

On top of that, given things like SpaceX and Tesla, something tells me that Elon isn't the type of person who doesn't follow through...


Well, as both sides do similar, coverup damaging stories etc, I would call it an american election cycle.

Actually yes, however from my observations both sides rigging for the 2020 election cycle was extra creative and pretty much cancelled each other out.

I have to disagree. What you are describing would be the likes of The Guardian running a story saying 'Trump Bad' and the NYPost running a story "Biden Bad".

That's fair, each side in the public press rebutting stories not favorable to their side etc.

However this isn't the case. It wasn't that both sides got to put their stories forward, it was that one side was explicitly blocked from putting a true story forward. More than that, the means by which it was blocked wasn't natural or organic or based in reasonableness, it was declared as heretical by the Democrat stooges and the likes of the Washington Post, NYTimes, Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. immediately fell into Lock-step with the Regime.

That isn't both sides doing similar, that's one side having an institutional advantage.

And as proof of this - I will point you to the verified check-mark screeching at Elon and Twitter. They are worried that they will loose control and no longer be able to suppress information in the public square.


Yes, both administations policies. Covid is a cunt.

And yet, under Trump, we didn't have the negative effects - we didn't have global trade delays, we didn't have rampant inflation.


Talk is cheap, any talk from trump about the Afghanistan withdraw can be taken as seriously as his healthcare replacement for obama care. Talk is cheap.

Sure - but I get to point to the lack of Combat Deaths, seems that whatever it was that Trump Talked, The Enemy were convinced enough to believe it.

On the international and military front, Trump did what he set out to do and for the most part, in the manner in which he intended to do it.


Look, you will have to deal with your willful incomprehension without my help. I've explained Trumps personality is why he cops it more. He says he actively looks to create friction - there is a price tag for that.

I'll get back to that in a mo...


Who am i to deny people their imaginary friends :whistle:

You're still here, and you're real :P


Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you no less than 6 - yes six - SIX benghahzi investigations bought by Republican-controlled House committees!
I'll give you a half point by attempting to make out witch hunts were the exclusive purvey of the radical left :lol:

That's a name I haven't heard in a while. At the risk of invoking the Spirit of Husaberg - I made my position clear on Benghazi and the surrounding events: It is grounds for instant dismissal at every Company I've worked at to bypass the corporate IT policy, and setting up your own Mail server would definitely qualify. Not having sufficient backups to recover data from it in the event of a Subpeona is either Gross Negligence or evidence of foul play.

Now, I'll grant you that witch hunts aren't exclusive to the Left or Right - currently however, there is a definite swathe of politically motivated moves by the Democrats against various republicans.


Holy Shit! "Just Words"!!! You just handed me an infinitum amount of get out of jail free cards! Any time you moan henceforth about something some one has said, I will wheel out this gift of a quote, cheers bro. :woohoo:
I could also take it as evidence of your ever deeper sinking into RWNJism.
The defender of free speech on KB reduced to saying words don't matter in defense of his man. Touching, but ultimately weak and delusional at the same time.

How is saying 'It's just words' any difference to 'Yeah, Trump talks a lot of shit' - a point which I've made repeatedly. See, you might think it's a Gotcha - but when it comes to being the KB Defender of Free Speech (a title that I am honored to be given, even if in this context it's satirical, I'll still take it) - Yes, Words are just Words.

I don't believe that Speech is equated with Violence and that people saying mean things, even mean things directed at me, are still just words. I don't call for people to be censured over them.

That is the very definition of believing in Free Speech - that each side gets to say what they feel.

And remember - I let a lot of all the dumb shit that Biden says slide, all the times the Administration has had to come out and go 'oh well, he doesn't actually mean that' etc. - because it's just words. When I critique Biden, it's always on his actions and the consequences of said actions.


Yeah, look at those big bills in my letterbox, fuck you jacinda, scott, borris, biden, putin, macron, bonsanaro, trudeu etc, etc, etc :pinch:

Exactly. Fuck the lot of them.


Both, but big mouth bully gets more every time for me - call it a character flaw ;)

obviously I differ here - You can run your mouth and talk shit and I won't batt an eyelid, but take money out of my pocket, and that's when you get:
"a good ole kiwi kicking"

[pritch]

Okay - and please, show me where I've said or even hinted that Hunter Biden liked to diddle kids? Cause that's one hell of a Strawman...



Is that like the Evidence you presented, where the guy was convicted of lying about the Muh Russia hoax to the FBI?
Or where you said the Australian Diplomat confirmed it, only for him to say publicly 'that didn't happen'?

Just because you've read it in a biased newspaper with an Agenda, doesn't actually mean it's 'Evidence'.



I have no idea what you are on about. The guy who handed the laptop to the authorities said the RWNJs were speculating that there was paedophilia. You certainly qualify as a RWNJ but you don't speak for all of them.

What did the dipliomat deny? As Australian High Commissioner he filed a report on the conversation to his intelligence services. The gist was that the Russians were going ot release information damagong to the Clinton campaign. Naturally that was passed on to the FBI. Five Eyes and all that.

For the record it's got nothing to do with biased sources, that's projection. If you were to take a few minutes you'd find many reports including video interviews.

At this stage you make about as much sense as Cassina. I'm sorry I responded to one of your comments.

[TheDemonLord]

I have no idea what you are on about. The guy who handed the laptop to the authorities said the RWNJs were speculating that there was paedophilia. You certainly qualify as a RWNJ but you don't speak for all of them.

You know exactly what is going on.

You tried a good old fashioned Strawman and I'm calling you out on it.

I've never raised the issue of Hunter doing anything with Children. So let's stop this attempt to smear me with the same brush, because you are much more intelligent than that.


What did the dipliomat deny? As Australian High Commissioner he filed a report on the conversation to his intelligence services. The gist was that the Russians were going ot release information damagong to the Clinton campaign. Naturally that was passed on to the FBI. Five Eyes and all that.

I want to first point out - that you cited Alexander Downer and George Papadopoulos in another thread as 'Proof of the Trump/Russia connection', the problem is that Mr Downer has a somewhat different statement:


nothing [Papadopoulos] said in their meeting indicated Trump himself had been conspiring with the Russians to collect information on Hillary Clinton

What he denied is that there was a direct link between Trump and Russia.


For the record it's got nothing to do with biased sources, that's projection. If you were to take a few minutes you'd find many reports including video interviews.

And if you were to honestly interrogate those reports, video interviews etc. You'd find that most of them are:

1: Anonymous sources who we can't verify
2: People saying what supposedly other people said
3: Things taken out of Context
4: in the case of Alex and George - not what happened at all.

Shall I link to the other thread where you started off with 'On the record' and then when multiple people (including myself) whittled you down, we got to something that was closer to the truth, it was someone said something, from which you said you had to 'draw your own conclusions'?

Conclusions, that even if drawn do not come anywhere near to proving the Claim that there was a direct political connection between Trump and Russia.

It's not projection because at every turn, all I'm doing is looking at what you provide and then pointing to the gaping chasm that your evidence fails to span.

[sugilite]

I believe from the publicly available info - He's secured financing, he's offered a share price, it's been accepted by the Board.

I don't think it's at a point where he's going to back out. Others may try to block it - but my understanding is he's done everything he needs to, short of paying the cash and taking ownership.

On top of that, given things like SpaceX and Tesla, something tells me that Elon isn't the type of person who doesn't follow through...
Nek Minut
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/elon-musk-tweets-that-deal-for-twitter-is-on-hold
As mentioned I had been seeing the signs of cold feet. Granted, the sale could still go ahead. News Flash Update:Sugi still does not give a shit either way ;)



That's fair, each side in the public press rebutting stories not favorable to their side etc.

However this isn't the case. It wasn't that both sides got to put their stories forward, it was that one side was explicitly blocked from putting a true story forward. More than that, the means by which it was blocked wasn't natural or organic or based in reasonableness, it was declared as heretical by the Democrat stooges and the likes of the Washington Post, NYTimes, Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. immediately fell into Lock-step with the Regime.

That isn't both sides doing similar, that's one side having an institutional advantage.
Both sides actively suppress the media they have the power to control - I see it all the time.



And as proof of this - I will point you to the verified check-mark screeching at Elon and Twitter. They are worried that they will loose control and no longer be able to suppress information in the public square.
Fuck em, tough cheese.





And yet, under Trump, we didn't have the negative effects - we didn't have global trade delays, we didn't have rampant inflation.
These developments had simply not had time to percolate - such arguments are a waste of time to use on me.






Sure - but I get to point to the lack of Combat Deaths, seems that whatever it was that Trump Talked, The Enemy were convinced enough to believe it.

On the international and military front, Trump did what he set out to do and for the most part, in the manner in which he intended to do it.
Bar the capitulation to both putin and in the form of offering north korea validity. As for military action, Trump was too busy waging war at home to bother other countries ;)



You're still here, and you're real :P
Shhhhhhhhhh :sweatdrop





That's a name I haven't heard in a while. At the risk of invoking the Spirit of Husaberg - I made my position clear on Benghazi and the surrounding events: It is grounds for instant dismissal at every Company I've worked at to bypass the corporate IT policy, and setting up your own Mail server would definitely qualify. Not having sufficient backups to recover data from it in the event of a Subpeona is either Gross Negligence or evidence of foul play.
Fair enough, but how about the fairy tale Trump is telling that on the day of the insurrection, his phone did not ring once for 7 hours?


Now, I'll grant you that witch hunts aren't exclusive to the Left or Right - currently however, there is a definite swathe of politically motivated moves by the Democrats against various republicans.
Sorry sport, many of those republicans derserved it.
Here is the latest that requires scrutiny.... and yes, I very much still like Katie Porter, would like to see her on the dems presidential ticket. (Will never happen, she is to straight up for them)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBKqRjiXiw




How is saying 'It's just words' any difference to 'Yeah, Trump talks a lot of shit' - a point which I've made repeatedly. See, you might think it's a Gotcha - but when it comes to being the KB Defender of Free Speech (a title that I am honored to be given, even if in this context it's satirical, I'll still take it) - Yes, Words are just Words.
Disingenuous. Mr Putin is not lying". I would run into that school and take on the gunman despite being unarmed" Blatant lies are words too. I think we should start a new movement, lets say call it BLM - "Blatant Lies Matter"


I don't believe that Speech is equated with Violence and that people saying mean things, even mean things directed at me, are still just words. I don't call for people to be censured over them.

That is the very definition of believing in Free Speech - that each side gets to say what they feel.
That notion breaks down when the words are blatant lies, an all too common occurrence with Trump.

[TheDemonLord]

Nek Minut
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/elon-musk-tweets-that-deal-for-twitter-is-on-hold
As mentioned I had been seeing the signs of cold feet. Granted, the sale could still go ahead. News Flash Update:Sugi still does not give a shit either way ;)

I know you don't per se, however I'm quite interested in this - because a lot of people who used to loudly proclaim:

"It's a private company, they can do what they want, they don't have to give you a platform" when it was a cesspit of left-wing censorship against the right are now saying

"It's bad for Billionaires to control the public spaces, we need freedom of speech, we need government regulation" and then Biden brought in the Ministry of Truth.

I'm also loving how it's forcing all the skeletons in the closet to be found - and it seems Twitter has been massaging the figures.


Both sides actively suppress the media they have the power to control - I see it all the time.

Apples and Oranges.

There's a difference between Fox news choosing not to run a story that is damaging to Conservatives and Google/Facebook/Twitter banning people for saying something that is subsequently true.

One at best is passive suppression (although if another news outlet is running the story, it barely counts) and the other is overt and active suppression.

It's why all the Lefties are worried about Elon buying Twitter - because they know they will no longer have the institutional power to silence information they don't like.



These developments had simply not had time to percolate - such arguments are a waste of time to use on me.

Rubbish, on the simple fact it has gotten worse under Biden. Not to mention the various federal mandate policies that were brought in by Biden, the issues only happened after these were law.



Bar the capitulation to both putin and in the form of offering north korea validity. As for military action, Trump was too busy waging war at home to bother other countries ;)

You see it as capitulation and Validity, I see it as Deal making. I see it as a period where we had what I shall now cal the Pax Trumpanica. And it was better than what is happening now.


Fair enough, but how about the fairy tale Trump is telling that on the day of the insurrection, his phone did not ring once for 7 hours?

I'm sure if it was a big a lie as you are saying, someone would have leaked some evidence on it by now.



Sorry sport, many of those republicans derserved it.
Here is the latest that requires scrutiny.... and yes, I very much still like Katie Porter, would like to see her on the dems presidential ticket. (Will never happen, she is to straight up for them)

So I watched the clip - yep on the face of it, it seems like some money in exchange for favors were exchanged. Interestingly enough, the person who is alleged to have done wrong is some no-name bureaucrat.

Probably in cahoots with some middle-manager type in the Republican party and both should be dealt with, if the claims are true.

However - I decided to check on her and one of the highlights of her career caught my eye - as it was a congressional exchange with a Bank, where she asked how someone could live on a Bank Teller wage - I'd seen this back when it came out and remembered getting very annoyed at her for some very dishonest framing.


That notion breaks down when the words are blatant lies, an all too common occurrence with Trump.

Actually, it really doesn't. We - the public - are the Judge and Jury. Most of what are called 'Trump lies' are things that most native english speakers wouldn't put much weight to.

And remembering the myriad of Biden Gaffes, to the point where the White House has to come along and say 'No no no he didn't really mean that' - I also don't put much weight into.

[sugilite]

I know you don't per se, however I'm quite interested in this - because a lot of people who used to loudly proclaim:

"It's a private company, they can do what they want, they don't have to give you a platform" when it was a cesspit of left-wing censorship against the right are now saying

"It's bad for Billionaires to control the public spaces, we need freedom of speech, we need government regulation" and then Biden brought in the Ministry of Truth.

I'm also loving how it's forcing all the skeletons in the closet to be found - and it seems Twitter has been massaging the figures.
All points you have made many times. I have moved on to the fact this deal looks to be on shaky ground now.




Apples and Oranges.

There's a difference between Fox news choosing not to run a story that is damaging to Conservatives and Google/Facebook/Twitter banning people for saying something that is subsequently true.

One at best is passive suppression (although if another news outlet is running the story, it barely counts) and the other is overt and active suppression.

It's why all the Lefties are worried about Elon buying Twitter - because they know they will no longer have the institutional power to silence information they don't like.
You say you do not read fox, so let me tell you, they go a lot further at repressing information than you make out.
Fox is extremely powerful, the ratings show them to be watched by more people than the other tams combined. Sure twitter is huge, so is fox.





Rubbish, on the simple fact it has gotten worse under Biden. Not to mention the various federal mandate policies that were brought in by Biden, the issues only happened after these were law.
Inflation and other side effects of a pandemic and associated consequences take time to manifest, but by all means keep throwing logic under the bus to keep your BDS fed and healthy ;)






You see it as capitulation and Validity, I see it as Deal making. I see it as a period where we had what I shall now cal the Pax Trumpanica. And it was better than what is happening now.
Putting aside that had Biden said it, you would be rolling out "The biggest betrayal of a president over his own country etc, where the hell can you possibly see "a deal" in him siding with putin over his own countries best info agencies? This is really desperate stuff from you. I know a narrative like this feeds your need to argue, but at what point is it worth me replying too as you as you float these blatant turds?





I'm sure if it was a big a lie as you are saying, someone would have leaked some evidence on it by now.
And this turd is even bigger and smellier than the last. You are telling me that you believe Trump when he says his phone did not ring at all for 7 hours through the worst of the Jan 6th mess. To be honest, it has greatly fascinated me how seemingly reasonable people fall for Trumps obvious lies. I've long speculated that it is because they go all in on Trump, to the point that the have to support even the most obvious of trumps lies, as they simply cannot admit to themselves they are wrong about trump. The above 2 statements of yours place you very firmly in that camp. As I have said before, I firmly believe this is ultimately will become the definition for the term TDS.






So I watched the clip - yep on the face of it, it seems like some money in exchange for favors were exchanged. Interestingly enough, the person who is alleged to have done wrong is some no-name bureaucrat.

Probably in cahoots with some middle-manager type in the Republican party and both should be dealt with, if the claims are true.
Yep, that is how I feel, though they should pursue it right to the top if it goes higher than middle manager. (who am i kidding, this is America, bigwigs almost never face the music.)


However - I decided to check on her and one of the highlights of her career caught my eye - as it was a congressional exchange with a Bank, where she asked how someone could live on a Bank Teller wage - I'd seen this back when it came out and remembered getting very annoyed at her for some very dishonest framing.
I actually loved seeing a banker being held with their feet to the fire, about time. He did after all say some really flippant smug things. I view bankers to be pretty much right there with insurance types.




Actually, it really doesn't. We - the public - are the Judge and Jury. Most of what are called 'Trump lies' are things that most native english speakers wouldn't put much weight to.
Well, bar the 80 million that voted against him


And remembering the myriad of Biden Gaffes, to the point where the White House has to come along and say 'No no no he didn't really mean that' - I also don't put much weight into.
Saw a hell of a lot of that from the trump administration too, especially in the earlier days before he really started to intimidate the people in his own party.

[TheDemonLord]

All points you have made many times. I have moved on to the fact this deal looks to be on shaky ground now.

Maybe, maybe not - Elon still says he wants to buy it - the question is how rotten is the heart of the company - and that's the bit I'm very interested in.


You say you do not read fox, so let me tell you, they go a lot further at repressing information than you make out.
Fox is extremely powerful, the ratings show them to be watched by more people than the other tams combined. Sure twitter is huge, so is fox.

Still a Massive Apples and Oranges comparison.

Both Fox and CNN have editorial Bias - both representing their 'side' - that's fine. The only reason Fox is kicking ass in the ratings is because CNN/The Left have gone batshit crazy and people are starting to see it.

That editorial bias, however, is not the same as banning someone from a platform because they said something true that the Democrats didn't like.

choosing to watch Fox over CNN isn't in the same league as being banned from a social media site where you interact with your family, your hobby groups, your favorite Musicians/artists etc.


Inflation and other side effects of a pandemic and associated consequences take time to manifest, but by all means keep throwing logic under the bus to keep your BDS fed and healthy ;)

And if Biden's policies were either indifferent or helping it, we wouldn't see it increasing. We are seeing it increasing ergo it is Biden's Policies that are driving things getting worse.


Putting aside that had Biden said it, you would be rolling out "The biggest betrayal of a president over his own country etc, where the hell can you possibly see "a deal" in him siding with putin over his own countries best info agencies? This is really desperate stuff from you. I know a narrative like this feeds your need to argue, but at what point is it worth me replying too as you as you float these blatant turds?

Depends. I'll grant you that I treat anything from the Democrats as highly suspect due to their hatred of America. That said - let's assume this for a minute:

Biden gets up on the world stage and says: "Putin, this War in the Ukraine has to stop and stop now. Let's sit down and Make a deal. I can't guarantee you will get everything you want - but if you take a seat at the negotiation table, I can guarantee you will get some things you want. This is a one-time offer, otherwise we will ensure that every Ukrainian Man and Women is armed with the very best and latest equipment to drive a foreign invader out of their country"

Now, I'd probably still find something to quibble at Biden over it (even though I wrote the speech...) but tell me - is that a betrayal of his own country?


And this turd is even bigger and smellier than the last. You are telling me that you believe Trump when he says his phone did not ring at all for 7 hours through the worst of the Jan 6th mess. To be honest, it has greatly fascinated me how seemingly reasonable people fall for Trumps obvious lies. I've long speculated that it is because they go all in on Trump, to the point that the have to support even the most obvious of trumps lies, as they simply cannot admit to themselves they are wrong about trump. The above 2 statements of yours place you very firmly in that camp. As I have said before, I firmly believe this is ultimately will become the definition for the term TDS.

I didn't say I did believe it, I said that that given the multitude of leaks and the pathological investigation, were it proven to be false - then it would be everywhere.


Yep, that is how I feel, though they should pursue it right to the top if it goes higher than middle manager. (who am i kidding, this is America, bigwigs almost never face the music.)

See, we aren't so different.


I actually loved seeing a banker being held with their feet to the fire, about time. He did after all say some really flippant smug things. I view bankers to be pretty much right there with insurance types.

My issue with it - was that whose fault is it that she's a single Mother? Whose fault is it that she chooses to rent a single bedroom house, instead having flatmates etc. etc. I get Bankers are a bunch of Money Grubbing Bastards (especially after I had to faff around with borrowing against the house to do my Kitchen...) at the same time - if you choose an entry level position (which a Bank Teller is), it's not the Banks fault.


Well, bar the 80 million that voted against him

We'll see in the Mid-terms how many of them have buyers remorse.

I'm predicting a Blood Bath.


Saw a hell of a lot of that from the trump administration too, especially in the earlier days before he really started to intimidate the people in his own party.

I'm sure - and it makes more sense given that Trump wasn't a career politician that in his earlier days he would make more faux pas - however I treat both His and Biden's with the same degree of indifference.

[sugilite]

Maybe, maybe not - Elon still says he wants to buy it - the question is how rotten is the heart of the company - and that's the bit I'm very interested in.
It is a large corp, so rotten to the core if course.



Both Fox and CNN have editorial Bias - both representing their 'side' - that's fine. The only reason Fox is kicking ass in the ratings is because CNN/The Left have gone batshit crazy and people are starting to see it.

That editorial bias, however, is not the same as banning someone from a platform because they said something true that the Democrats didn't like.

choosing to watch Fox over CNN isn't in the same league as being banned from a social media site where you interact with your family, your hobby groups, your favorite Musicians/artists etc.
I don't have much sympathy for most of those banned to be honest. Both sides are batshit crazy. I can understand the initial sceptasym on the the laptop saga since Trump was clearly on a mission to dig up/make up shit about anything biden related ex mmmah ukrainian quid pro quo. A big case of cry wolf syndrome bought upon themselves. So it subsequently turned out to be true in this case, so many, many others did not turn out to be truth. So I don't give a sugi shit it was not initially treated as a possible reality.



Depends. I'll grant you that I treat anything from the Democrats as highly suspect due to their hatred of America. That said - let's assume this for a minute:
So all democrats hate America - meh :rolleyes:


Biden gets up on the world stage and says: "Putin, this War in the Ukraine has to stop and stop now. Let's sit down and Make a deal. I can't guarantee you will get everything you want - but if you take a seat at the negotiation table, I can guarantee you will get some things you want. This is a one-time offer, otherwise we will ensure that every Ukrainian Man and Women is armed with the very best and latest equipment to drive a foreign invader out of their country"

Now, I'd probably still find something to quibble at Biden over it (even though I wrote the speech...) but tell me - is that a betrayal of his own country?
That has no relation to trump saying, "vlad says he did not do it, I believe him" (despite his many agencies saying otherwise)





I didn't say I did believe it, I said that that given the multitude of leaks and the pathological investigation, were it proven to be false - then it would be everywhere.
So your logic is - no leaks, did not happen. Got it :lol:


My issue with it - was that whose fault is it that she's a single Mother? Whose fault is it that she chooses to rent a single bedroom house, instead having flatmates etc. etc. I get Bankers are a bunch of Money Grubbing Bastards (especially after I had to faff around with borrowing against the house to do my Kitchen...) at the same time - if you choose an entry level position (which a Bank Teller is), it's not the Banks fault.
A teller should be able to rent a one bedroom house on a tellers wage, God knows the banks can easily afford that.



We'll see in the Mid-terms how many of them have buyers remorse.

I'm predicting a Blood Bath.
Maybe so, I have predicted as much, unless the dems for once have been smart enough to hold back irrefutable evidence that trump was nuts deep in overthrowing the 2020 election. We shall see what else pops up other than the rowe wade mess. Better still, take the mid terms hit, let a confidant trump become the nominee, then bring out the evidence just days before voting begins. Dreams are free huh :lol:



I'm sure - and it makes more sense given that Trump wasn't a career politician that in his earlier days he would make more faux pas - however I treat both His and Biden's with the same degree of indifference.
Experience never got in his way of him making them to this day.

[TheDemonLord]

It is a large corp, so rotten to the core if course.

Haha - touche - but in this case, it's the type of Rot and it's very one-sided.



I don't have much sympathy for most of those banned to be honest. Both sides are batshit crazy. I can understand the initial sceptasym on the the laptop saga since Trump was clearly on a mission to dig up/make up shit about anything biden related ex mmmah ukrainian quid pro quo. A big case of cry wolf syndrome bought upon themselves. So it subsequently turned out to be true in this case, so many, many others did not turn out to be truth. So I don't give a sugi shit it was not initially treated as a possible reality.

Both sides are batshit crazy - sure.
But only one side gets the Ban-Hammer.

I can guarantee you that had both sides gotten equal treatment, there would not nearly be the furor that there is currently.

And sure, if it was Trump saying it - maybe there might be reason to treat it with skepticism - but it was the NY Post and by all accounts, they did their due dilligence before releasing the story - but it was declared heresay on pain of death to speak of it.

That's Cartel like behavior and that degree of suppression of information puts it into the rigged category.


So all democrats hate America - meh :rolleyes:

Not all, but I can count on one hand the number of Sane Democrats:

Thulsi Gabbard (obligatory Yum)
and Joe Manchin.

The activist wing of the party (which is currently running the show) absolutely does hate America.


That has no relation to trump saying, "vlad says he did not do it, I believe him" (despite his many agencies saying otherwise)

The point I'm making is working with Putin (which will involve making some concessions) and working against him. The thing that Trump says he believed Putin on - was it a major issue? Of critical importance? Or was it something small which could be used as a bargaining chip to improve relations?


So your logic is - no leaks, did not happen. Got it :lol:

I'd normally have a much lower threshold of evidence, but considering how closely Trump and co have been investigated - I'm at the point of if under all that scrutiny, it's not been proved - then I don't believe it.


A teller should be able to rent a one bedroom house on a tellers wage, God knows the banks can easily afford that.

Why?

The only thing a Teller should get paid is in accordance to the value they bring to the bank and the market rate. It's not a skilled position, requires no higher education or apprenticeship, it's very much an entry level position - like being a Pizza Delivery driver or similar - the type of job you get in your teenage years or whilst you are working through Uni.

And in an area like California, where house prices (and therefore Rents) are quite high.

So I disagree that there is any obligation on the part of the Bank to pay more. Move in with some Flatmates - case in point - cheapest 1 bedroom appartment in Irvine for rent is $1,200 - cheapest 4 bedroom house $2,700 - shared amongst 4 people is almost half the rent - $675.

I have just solved the problem using freedom of choice and living within your means.


Maybe so, I have predicted as much, unless the dems for once have been smart enough to hold back irrefutable evidence that trump was nuts deep in overthrowing the 2020 election. We shall see what else pops up other than the rowe wade mess. Better still, take the mid terms hit, let a confidant trump become the nominee, then bring out the evidence just days before voting begins. Dreams are free huh :lol:

Roe is an interesting one - I personally support the overturning of the ruling, despite being fundamentally Pro-Choice (I think the reasoning that Privacy extends to Abortion rights is not supported in either the constitution or in the history of either English Common Law or the Traditions of the US). I'd be completely fine with an amendment to the Constitution to define an abortion right - it depends however what the individual states do if it is overturned.

IMO a lot of the hysteria about it being overturned is just noise - as Abortion was legal before Roe v Wade.

Add to that the recent vote the Dems tried with Abortion (which I think they went waaaaaaaay too far in terms of when it is acceptable) that will piss a lot of people off. The old-school 'Safe, Legal and Rare' types.


Experience never got in his way of him making them to this day.

And that's one of the reasons I love his style, it's so unapologetically Trump.

[oldguy]

'You've Got No Idea What Disinformation Is!': Rand Paul Tears Into Mayorkas

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[sugilite]

Haha - touche - but in this case, it's the type of Rot and it's very one-sided.
Yeah, multi sided rot is so much more desirable :msn-wink:



Both sides are batshit crazy - sure.
But only one side gets the Ban-Hammer.
Well, to be fair one side certainly broke twitter rules more than the other then whined like babies against it. Now the other side are whining like babies their toy "might" be taken away.
The right could of built their own social media empire, say called it truth social, I'm sure it would be the most beautiful massively successful social media site in the history of history :rolleyes:



That's Cartel like behavior and that degree of suppression of information puts it into the rigged category.
Yeah, suppression and obstruction is only cool and praiseworthy when Trump does it




Not all, but I can count on one hand the number of Sane Democrats:

Thulsi Gabbard (obligatory Yum)
and Joe Manchin.
Manchin is just serving his energy sector overlords, so no surprise you like him.
There is plenty of sane republicans, cannot think of any right now, but I don't know most of them, so will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Though the next batch of up and coming repubs, well.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MX37aA6lM


The activist wing of the party (which is currently running the show) absolutely does hate America.
Links to quotes of said hate please - so called actions reflecting hate not accepted sorry as your hatred of marxism is too over the top to be taken at face value - as in I literally actually do roll my eyes when you roll out the "deep marxist roots" shtick. I swear you could trace daisy the hobby farm milking cows lineage to deep marxist roots. :rolleyes:




The point I'm making is working with Putin (which will involve making some concessions) and working against him. The thing that Trump says he believed Putin on - was it a major issue? Of critical importance? Or was it something small which could be used as a bargaining chip to improve relations?
Yes it was a major issue and had it been any left leaning pollie that did it you would have been all over it whit a very different narrative. This is one of the most disingenuous narratives I have ever seen you put forward. It is nothing less than absurd, but as you were.



I'd normally have a much lower threshold of evidence, but considering how closely Trump and co have been investigated - I'm at the point of if under all that scrutiny, it's not been proved - then I don't believe it.
Just the way Trump would have you see it. He views people like you as shmucks to be taken advantage of. He just under estimated your tightness when it comes to making donations to "saving America" lol




Why?

The only thing a Teller should get paid is in accordance to the value they bring to the bank and the market rate. It's not a skilled position, requires no higher education or apprenticeship, it's very much an entry level position - like being a Pizza Delivery driver or similar - the type of job you get in your teenage years or whilst you are working through Uni.

And in an area like California, where house prices (and therefore Rents) are quite high.

So I disagree that there is any obligation on the part of the Bank to pay more. Move in with some Flatmates - case in point - cheapest 1 bedroom appartment in Irvine for rent is $1,200 - cheapest 4 bedroom house $2,700 - shared amongst 4 people is almost half the rent - $675.

I have just solved the problem using freedom of choice and living within your means.
That would have to be some of the most demeaning writing I have ever read from you. Wow, just wow.
My personal opinion is, people with the lowest paying jobs, still deserve to be able to afford to live in a one bedroom dwelling. It is just government/corporation sanctioned slavery in my opinion.




Roe is an interesting one - I personally support the overturning of the ruling, despite being fundamentally Pro-Choice (I think the reasoning that Privacy extends to Abortion rights is not supported in either the constitution or in the history of either English Common Law or the Traditions of the US). I'd be completely fine with an amendment to the Constitution to define an abortion right - it depends however what the individual states do if it is overturned.

IMO a lot of the hysteria about it being overturned is just noise - as Abortion was legal before Roe v Wade.
I feel that once the supreme court was a good thing, but of late, really - they have been reduced to simply being pollies dressed in drag.



Add to that the recent vote the Dems tried with Abortion (which I think they went waaaaaaaay too far in terms of when it is acceptable) that will piss a lot of people off. The old-school 'Safe, Legal and Rare' types.
It is in the dems dna to shoot themselves in the foot and undo any win that has fallen in their lap.





And that's one of the reasons I love his style, it's so unapologetically Trump.
And also should be the reason to respect peoples choice to give Trump a much harder time than other less inflammatory pollies. He brings it on himself by design. No point wasting a perfectly good box of tissues drying your eyes when people do not treat Trump with the respect the likes of yourself somehow feel he deserves.

[sugilite]

'You've Got No Idea What Disinformation Is!': Rand Paul Tears Into Mayorkas



Paul Rand is one of the republicans very worst. Voted against any and all aid going to any of the States that had endured a disaster, then the moment his state had one, boom his hand came out faster than the speed of light.

[oldguy]

Paul Rand is one of the republicans very worst. Voted against any and all aid going to any of the States that had endured a disaster, then the moment his state had one, boom his hand came out faster than the speed of light.

I don't know much about him, but on this I agree. He has also put a block on the 40 billion aid to the Ukranine, i think it will still go through.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, multi sided rot is so much more desirable :msn-wink:

And no Rot is even better.


Well, to be fair one side certainly broke twitter rules more than the other then whined like babies against it. Now the other side are whining like babies their toy "might" be taken away.

That's false on two counts. There are plenty of Left-Wing accounts that broke the rules, in a major way and are still there - case in point: https://twitter.com/jack_morrissey
https://twitter.com/abnheel/status/1087535999473856512/photo/1

(Verified check mark, still verified - calling for people to murder the Covington Kids - who, I might add, were proved not to be the aggressor in court).

Secondly - The rules themselves were one-sided, such as the adoption of Gender Ideology.


The right could of built their own social media empire, say called it truth social, I'm sure it would be the most beautiful massively successful social media site in the history of history :rolleyes:

They tried multiple times - I remember when they one of them was yeeted off the infrastructure because... reasons..


Yeah, suppression and obstruction is only cool and praiseworthy when Trump does it

Not at all, you are trying to compare two things that are simply not the same. When you have CNN and Fox - both running their sides of the story - that's fair. The fact that CNN isn't able to attract viewers because they've been shown to be worse liars than Fox is not the fault of Fox.

However actively shutting down the spread of a story by censuring it off of Social Media is active Suppression.


Manchin is just serving his energy sector overlords, so no surprise you like him.
There is plenty of sane republicans, cannot think of any right now, but I don't know most of them, so will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far - a vote against the Infrastructure Bill isn't just about Energy, and the most recent vote about Abortion just looked bad for the Dems.

As for Sane republicans - most of them are only sane in the sense that they aren't Marxists....


Though the next batch of up and coming repubs, well.....


Newton's third law of Politics. As I said - at least they don't hate America.

Bill Maher is an interesting chap though - have you seen any of his conversations with the Right Wing types (Ben Shapiro for example) - Bill is, for all intents and purposes, a very classic american Liberal. He likes Freedom of Speech, He likes Freedom of Choice, He likes Non-discrimination etc. Like a 90s era Democrat - he also likes fiscal responsibility and likes government aid programs.

https://www.thewrap.com/bill-maher-joe-rogan-republican-side/


“People would say to me, ‘Oh, you’re complaining [like a Republican] about the government spending money,” Maher said. “OK, but is there any number at which I am not tipped over to the Republican side? That I can’t complain about money that’s just being stolen?”

The Left have moved so-far Left that even Bill Maher is now looking at the Republican side and saying 'Well.... maybe....'


Links to quotes of said hate please - so called actions reflecting hate not accepted sorry as your hatred of marxism is too over the top to be taken at face value - as in I literally actually do roll my eyes when you roll out the "deep marxist roots" shtick. I swear you could trace daisy the hobby farm milking cows lineage to deep marxist roots. :rolleyes:

Any of them that have publicly supported CRT or Intersectional Feminism or Gender Ideology.

I mean - I've provided the direct quotes from the foundational texts where they say they are Marxists and they cite Marxist philosophers - but apparently their self reporting isn't sufficient evidence...


Yes it was a major issue and had it been any left leaning pollie that did it you would have been all over it whit a very different narrative. This is one of the most disingenuous narratives I have ever seen you put forward. It is nothing less than absurd, but as you were.

This is my British Pragmatism talking: Life isn't perfect - You see it as a major, I don't - I see it as a means to keep the peace, a means that was successful.


Just the way Trump would have you see it. He views people like you as shmucks to be taken advantage of. He just under estimated your tightness when it comes to making donations to "saving America" lol

That's not it at all. It's more like the Journalists that Cried Wolf - we have all these outlandish claims about what Trump does etc. and when we go back to the original source, it doesn't stretch to what is being claimed. He's probably the most scrutinised and investigated president ever - so if under all that, there's a claim that doesn't have any proof to back it up - at this point in time - I just don't consider it.


That would have to be some of the most demeaning writing I have ever read from you. Wow, just wow.
My personal opinion is, people with the lowest paying jobs, still deserve to be able to afford to live in a one bedroom dwelling. It is just government/corporation sanctioned slavery in my opinion.

It's not Demeaning - it's cold, hard Logic and Facts. How far does your personal opinion extend? Does the Paper boy need to be paid $30,000 a year? If not, why not? And more importantly - if not - why does that not extend to other entry level jobs that require no skills, no qualifications and no experience?

When someone points out that flatting (something we all did, back in the day) to share the costs, would reduce her single biggest expense by almost half - why is that demeaning? I know why - because it's preferable (especially when you have children) to live by yourself and not with strangers - but that is a preference and a luxury. Just like I'd love to have a private helicopter for personal travel, but I can't afford it - so I have to do without.

Further - why do you think that you are entitled to get paid more than the value you provide?

Finally - if you want people on low income to have affordable housing, then we have to take a really long hard look at all the red-tape that has increased the cost of new builds and the costs of renting.

I like Insulation - you'll note that when I re-did my kitchen I put insulation in. That's my Choice. My Mum and Dad and my Grandparents didn't have insulation - yet miraculously - they survived (some might say 'thrived') - adding insulation adds a cost of compliance and that cost is passed onto the end-user.

All these nice things that we want, has a cost and that cost has to be paid by someone.


I feel that once the supreme court was a good thing, but of late, really - they have been reduced to simply being pollies dressed in drag.

It always was Political, but of late - I think the Supreme Court is doing exactly what it should be doing: strictly interpreting the Constitution.

As I said - I'm pro-choice and would support an Amendment to the Constitution (which is how it should have been done in the first place) if they believe this is a constitutionally protected right (and I think and argument can be made that for cases where the conception was without consent, that these should be federally protected).


It is in the dems dna to shoot themselves in the foot and undo any win that has fallen in their lap.

To quote JBP:

"We know when the right goes too far, but when does the Left go too far?"


And also should be the reason to respect peoples choice to give Trump a much harder time than other less inflammatory pollies. He brings it on himself by design. No point wasting a perfectly good box of tissues drying your eyes when people do not treat Trump with the respect the likes of yourself somehow feel he deserves.

That all depends on what you consider inflammatory. As I said - I look at the cost of my bills going up and treat that with greater importance than a few mean tweets.

[sugilite]

And no Rot is even better.
But humans.



That's false on two counts. There are plenty of Left-Wing accounts that broke the rules, in a major way and are still there - case in point: https://twitter.com/jack_morrissey
https://twitter.com/abnheel/status/1087535999473856512/photo/1

(Verified check mark, still verified - calling for people to murder the Covington Kids - who, I might add, were proved not to be the aggressor in court).

Secondly - The rules themselves were one-sided, such as the adoption of Gender Ideology.

Watching Cruz, Marj, Trump, Bobert, Jordan, Rand, McConnel etc, etc - though I acknowledge the injustice, I just cannot raise a poffteenth of concern.


They tried multiple times - I remember when they one of them was yeeted off the infrastructure because... reasons..
Just as well truth Social has ridden in on it's lilly white charger to save the day :bleh:




Not at all, you are trying to compare two things that are simply not the same. When you have CNN and Fox - both running their sides of the story - that's fair. The fact that CNN isn't able to attract viewers because they've been shown to be worse liars than Fox is not the fault of Fox.
Actually they are very much neck and neck for mantle of best entertainment section liars.


However actively shutting down the spread of a story by censuring it off of Social Media is active Suppression.
But repubs love supression, there leader is all about suppression and obstruction. "Nope, nobody thought to ring the presidents phone for the 7 hours through the capital riots". You seem to have suppressed supressionitis to go with that eyepatchitus :shifty:



As for Sane republicans - most of them are only sane in the sense that they aren't Marxists....
I'm sure for the right money they could be convinced to convert.



Newton's third law of Politics. As I said - at least they don't hate America.
Oh, so no "We the dems all hate America" quotes?



Bill Maher is an interesting chap though - have you seen any of his conversations with the Right Wing types (Ben Shapiro for example) - Bill is, for all intents and purposes, a very classic american Liberal. He likes Freedom of Speech, He likes Freedom of Choice, He likes Non-discrimination etc. Like a 90s era Democrat - he also likes fiscal responsibility and likes government aid programs.
Yep, he is not afraid to give both sides the bash - so obviously I'm a fan.



That's not it at all. It's more like the Journalists that Cried Wolf - we have all these outlandish claims about what Trump does etc. and when we go back to the original source, it doesn't stretch to what is being claimed. He's probably the most scrutinised and investigated president ever - so if under all that, there's a claim that doesn't have any proof to back it up - at this point in time - I just don't consider it.
And this self inflicted blind spot has you believing obvious lies like "mah phone did not ring once in 7 hours during the riots".




It's not Demeaning - it's cold, hard Logic and Facts. How far does your personal opinion extend? Does the Paper boy need to be paid $30,000 a year? If not, why not? And more importantly - if not - why does that not extend to other entry level jobs that require no skills, no qualifications and no experience?
It is absolutely demeaning, it is your sheer pomp that blinds you. If you can find a bank branch these days, go in and look at the tellers average age. This is these middle aged and older tellers career. Your pompous words have definitely demeaned them. You will never see it yourself though, but others sure can.



Further - why do you think that you are entitled to get paid more than the value you provide?
Pompous arse



Finally - if you want people on low income to have affordable housing, then we have to take a really long hard look at all the red-tape that has increased the cost of new builds and the costs of renting.
A Great post, yes that should actually really happen asap.



It always was Political, but of late - I think the Supreme Court is doing exactly what it should be doing: strictly interpreting the Constitution.
Nope, just drag wearing pollies voting (for the most part) down political affiliations. They are just lying pollies now.


As I said - I'm pro-choice and would support an Amendment to the Constitution (which is how it should have been done in the first place) if they believe this is a constitutionally protected right (and I think and argument can be made that for cases where the conception was without consent, that these should be federally protected).
I've not looked, are they proposing to amend the constitution?




That all depends on what you consider inflammatory. As I said - I look at the cost of my bills going up and treat that with greater importance than a few mean tweets.
From where I'm standing it looks like you are willing to prostitute your values on what is right and decent if it means the libs getting owned.

[TheDemonLord]

But humans.

True - however there are a few institutions that for the most part have remained impartial and fair, some of them hundreds of years old. I don't think it's a 'Humans' issue per se, I think a big part of it is being careful about how the institution is run and the sorts of people that work in it.


Watching Cruz, Marj, Trump, Bobert, Jordan, Rand, McConnel etc, etc - though I acknowledge the injustice, I just cannot raise a poffteenth of concern.

This is, however, the very basis for the element of truth in the wider Conspiracy. If we bring this back to MJT - she raises this as a point, can cite specific examples and most people know it to be true on an instinctive level - so she says something that is true and then something that is wild speculation, the solution is to openly discuss (and maybe even Fix!) the problem and take the wind out of the sails of the 'extreme right'/



Just as well truth Social has ridden in on it's lilly white charger to save the day :bleh:

Speaking of - I saw that Trump has started using it, I suspect the Twitter acquisition has accelerated his plans. I saw on a conservative outlet the other day quite the criticism of the roll out of Truth ocial.


Actually they are very much neck and neck for mantle of best entertainment section liars.

Which is fine - the Left have their set of Liars (whose biggest lie is that they are impartial) and the Right have their set of liars - the Public judges the truth with their viewership - and as you said - Fox is kicking CNN.


But repubs love supression, there leader is all about suppression and obstruction. "Nope, nobody thought to ring the presidents phone for the 7 hours through the capital riots". You seem to have suppressed supressionitis to go with that eyepatchitus :shifty:

That's not even a close comparison. It's all sidestepping that there was a co-ordinated suppression of News, because it was damaging to one political side.


I'm sure for the right money they could be convinced to convert.

See, I'm not sure. Could you pay a Republican to adopt any of the Marxist pre-suppositions? I think not.


Oh, so no "We the dems all hate America" quotes?

Not in those words, but calling it a white supremacist Capitalist patriarchy is close enough for me. As I said - any support of Marxist theories is antithetical to what the United States was founded on. They cannot co-exist.


Yep, he is not afraid to give both sides the bash - so obviously I'm a fan.

Some of his political takes (for my tastes anyways) are still a bit too one-sided, but the more insane the radical left gets, the more he adjusts his tune.


And this self inflicted blind spot has you believing obvious lies like "mah phone did not ring once in 7 hours during the riots".

I didn't say I believe it. I said that which is submitted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. And given the high degree of scrutiny, I think I'm more than justified in the demand for evidence.


It is absolutely demeaning, it is your sheer pomp that blinds you. If you can find a bank branch these days, go in and look at the tellers average age. This is these middle aged and older tellers career. Your pompous words have definitely demeaned them. You will never see it yourself though, but others sure can.

Pompous arse

This isn't Pomp - This is choice.

People make decisions and then there are consequences for those decisions. Choosing to live alone instead of flatting IS a choice, it has a cost and it has a benefit. Choosing to have children out of wedlock IS a choice, it has a cost and it has a benefit. Choosing to get divorced IS a choice, it has a cost and it has a benefit. Choosing to work in an entry level position, when you are 'middle aged and older' is a choice.

Now, I know some people who fit that description - they range from being retired but wanting an easy job that's stress free and gives them steak and beer money to having a partner that does all the heavy lifting and it keeps them out of trouble.

There are some people who you look at and you go 'wow, you really got unlucky' and for those I have a high degree of sympathy, there are others who when we look at their situation we see a number of choices that they made that led them to where they are now.


A Great post, yes that should actually really happen asap.

That, a reduction in GST and a reduction in the Fuel Tax would probably be the 3 biggest things that would help the poorest of the poor.

Guess which 3 things will never happen under a Labour Government.


Nope, just drag wearing pollies voting (for the most part) down political affiliations. They are just lying pollies now.

Okay - serious question for a moment: What Supreme court decisions of late do you disagree with, in reference to the Constitution?

And I want to codify this: There are decisions that I might disagree with the decision, but I can concede that in reference to the Constitution and things like the English Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta, it is the 'correct' decision in reference to the law.


I've not looked, are they proposing to amend the constitution?

I've noticed this amongst US politicians in my lifetime, there are a few issues where IMO the correct way to address the issue is to set out to amend the Constitution.

The Dems weren't trying to Amend the constitution, I read the Act - it's full of Vomit inducing woke nonesense (some of which is patently untrue) - but the bit that I think raised the ire is that it said to allow Abortions after Fetal viability based on good-faith medical advice.

Which is very VERY open-ended. Especially when people like me (Fundamentally Pro-choice) are going - after Fetal Viability, that's a Human - and that Human has a right to life. Not only that, but the Medical science on this is generally accepted - at this point it is safer for an emergency C-Section than it is for a late-term abortion.


From where I'm standing it looks like you are willing to prostitute your values on what is right and decent if it means the libs getting owned.

Or... One has a direct impact on the quality of my life (and is therefore of more pressing concern) and one does not.

[pritch]

I don't know much about him, but on this I agree. He has also put a block on the 40 billion aid to the Ukranine, i think it will still go through.

Paul only blocked the immediate passage of the bill. He has done this to other bills previously. If there was no objection the bill would have been passed automatically. He objected so now it has to go through the process.

A while back he was attacked and physically assaulted by his neighbour. People have been asking where the neighbour is now. :sherlock:

[Kickaha]

A while back he was attacked and physically assaulted by his neighbour. People have been asking where the neighbour is now. :sherlock:

Probably in one of the FEMA camps

[sugilite]

True - however there are a few institutions that for the most part have remained impartial and fair, some of them hundreds of years old. I don't think it's a 'Humans' issue per se, I think a big part of it is being careful about how the institution is run and the sorts of people that work in it.
the weakness of democracy is people getting voted in do not necessarily have the skills to do the job. This unwashed mob usually get to choose the chief bureaucrats - yes?


Speaking of - I saw that Trump has started using it, I suspect the Twitter acquisition has accelerated his plans. I saw on a conservative outlet the other day quite the criticism of the roll out of Truth ocial.
I think he has "truthed" :sick: in total less than 5 minutes worth of his tweets when he was on twitter, so.....



Which is fine - the Left have their set of Liars (whose biggest lie is that they are impartial) and the Right have their set of liars - the Public judges the truth with their viewership - and as you said - Fox is kicking CNN.
Far from me to defend cnn, but to be fair there is a lot of left wing leaning media, where fox is pretty much it bar a few pesky wee sites that are tiny fleas on fox's back. The left ratings are split over at least 4 large sites.




That's not even a close comparison. It's all sidestepping that there was a co-ordinated suppression of News, because it was damaging to one political side.
Ahhhh, the side step - I'm learning from the best, see a bit down below.




See, I'm not sure. Could you pay a Republican to adopt any of the Marxist pre-suppositions? I think not.
cummoooon man, they are pollies, 99+% have a price.





Not in those words, but calling it a white supremacist Capitalist patriarchy is close enough for me. As I said - any support of Marxist theories is antithetical to what the United States was founded on. They cannot co-exist.
You are correct, when I was there, I could not see marxisym having a chance. Really from what I can make out, the "progressive" part of the dem party are not really getting anything they want. I'm sure they are frustrated as all hell.



I didn't say I believe it. I said that which is submitted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. And given the high degree of scrutiny, I think I'm more than justified in the demand for evidence.
Ahhhh, speaking of sidestepping, you have consistently sidestepped this prickly bastard in such a way that Lomu would have been in awe ;)
But hey, if you want to stick with "needing proof trumps phone rang even once in that 7 hours" you are going to need some really sand proof lungs.




This isn't Pomp - This is choice.
You just do not get it.


People make decisions and then there are consequences for those decisions. Choosing to live alone instead of flatting IS a choice, it has a cost and it has a benefit. Choosing to have children out of wedlock IS a choice, it has a cost and it has a benefit. Choosing to get divorced IS a choice, it has a cost and it has a benefit. Choosing to work in an entry level position, when you are 'middle aged and older' is a choice.
My whole point, as I'm sure you are for some unknown reason side stepping is that one should not need a job requiring great skills and or a degree to live in a shitty one bedroom home. Any system that cannot provide at least that to someone working a full time job is not working for all the people in my opinion. The balance of wealth is all sliding in one direction, and I'm not for that.
without divulging details, I have gleaned that you were born into a family that had the means to provide somewhat of a spring board. I'm not saying you were born into privilige so much, but more the means to be given sound advice and "perhaps" a little support to get a decent education. These days, those without any springboards get the choice of serious debt for educations where degrees do not any longer guarantee well paid employment, ot no debt and try and wing it on talent. Option B is nigh on impossible these days. Some "choice" huh.


That, a reduction in GST and a reduction in the Fuel Tax would probably be the 3 biggest things that would help the poorest of the poor.

Guess which 3 things will never happen under a Labour Government.
Good ideas, but umm, cough, cough which was the last government to raise GST?




Okay - serious question for a moment: What Supreme court decisions of late do you disagree with, in reference to the Constitution?

And I want to codify this: There are decisions that I might disagree with the decision, but I can concede that in reference to the Constitution and things like the English Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta, it is the 'correct' decision in reference to the law.
Before I answer that, I require a straight yes or no answer to my earlier question that you used that spectacular sidestep to avoid answering, even though you quoted it :laugh:
In the leaked draft, are the pollies in drag proposing to amend the constitution?



Paul only blocked the immediate passage of the bill. He has done this to other bills previously. If there was no objection the bill would have been passed automatically. He objected so now it has to go through the process.

A while back he was attacked and physically assaulted by his neighbour. People have been asking where the neighbour is now. :sherlock:
Rand has no shame in blocking any bill to extract everything he can before rubber stamping it, or not at all.
He is a true cunt.

[TheDemonLord]

the weakness of democracy is people getting voted in do not necessarily have the skills to do the job. This unwashed mob usually get to choose the chief bureaucrats - yes?

I wasn't thinking purely Politics, as for the unwashed mob choosing - there are some days where there are some pretty good arguments against it and others where there are some pretty good arguments for it.


I think he has "truthed" :sick: in total less than 5 minutes worth of his tweets when he was on twitter, so.....

I don't dispute that, my point was that Elon and Twitter have caused a large number of ripples.


Far from me to defend cnn, but to be fair there is a lot of left wing leaning media, where fox is pretty much it bar a few pesky wee sites that are tiny fleas on fox's back. The left ratings are split over at least 4 large sites.

IIRC - the data doesn't support that. I think the problem is that they have moved too far to the Left for the Centrist majority, but not far enough left for the radicals.


cummoooon man, they are pollies, 99+% have a price.

On most issues, I'd say sure - on this issue, I'm not convinced.


You are correct, when I was there, I could not see marxisym having a chance. Really from what I can make out, the "progressive" part of the dem party are not really getting anything they want. I'm sure they are frustrated as all hell.

I think the problem is the progressive part started to go after Children - People can tolerate a lot of weird crap in Universities (even if they perhaps shouldn't) - but when some of that gets taught to Children - people get really conservative REALLY quickly.


Ahhhh, speaking of sidestepping, you have consistently sidestepped this prickly bastard in such a way that Lomu would have been in awe ;)
But hey, if you want to stick with "needing proof trumps phone rang even once in that 7 hours" you are going to need some really sand proof lungs.

Tis not a Side step, it's a dismissal.





You just do not get it.

My whole point, as I'm sure you are for some unknown reason side stepping is that one should not need a job requiring great skills and or a degree to live in a shitty one bedroom home. Any system that cannot provide at least that to someone working a full time job is not working for all the people in my opinion. The balance of wealth is all sliding in one direction, and I'm not for that.

'The system cannot provide'

Hold up, Imma stop you there - let's consider the AnCap scenario - you could have a shitty (very shitty) one bedroom home - no building regulations, no council permits - no cost of compliance.

The problem is that the barriers put in place 'for our own protection' have a cost, and that cost has to be paid by someone and if that prices unskilled jobs out of the market, then they have to look at alternatives - Flatting, upskilling etc.

So, that is part of the problem - but the other part of the problem is one of choice. There was a thread on here a wee while ago about a younger chap wanting to buy a house in Chch and giving the standard millenial piss and moan about how difficult it was and how expensive etc. etc. When myself and others pried a little more - turns out he had become accustomed to a certain standard of living and wasn't willing to compromise to buy a house, consequently he was excluding 70% of all properties that he could buy, because he didn't want to make that choice.

And I see a LOT of people refusing to make that choice. Hell, when I first got a Motorbike, it was specifically because in order to buy a house in AKL we had to move all the way out to Gulf Harbour and I couldn't afford the petrol cost to commute to work in a Car. I made a choice and time rewarded me for it.

In addition, there are a lot more things to spend frivolously on, that weren't an option 20-30 years go (cue a joke about Avocado on Toast)


without divulging details, I have gleaned that you were born into a family that had the means to provide somewhat of a spring board. I'm not saying you were born into privilige so much, but more the means to be given sound advice and "perhaps" a little support to get a decent education. These days, those without any springboards get the choice of serious debt for educations where degrees do not any longer guarantee well paid employment, ot no debt and try and wing it on talent. Option B is nigh on impossible these days. Some "choice" huh.

It's not really gleaned when I've said prior that for the deposit on my first house, my Mum and Dad were a Guarantor. And yes, that did help. In terms of Privilege - I mean, I was born to a stable, 2 parent Family, who took active measures in my education (even if I hated it at the time) - I also had the privilege of inheriting certain traits, including skepticism - I saw the rort that modern University had become and chose not to pursue a degree (something that with Time I am increasingly thankful for) - I have certainly had my own unique advantages and likewise my own unique disadvantages, Luck has opened some doors for me and I've had the good sense and stubborness to walk through them.

And I mean, I did Option B, so...

In terms of Education and Well Paying jobs - To put it simply - there are number of Jobs where a Degree is a requirement (Engineering, Doctors, lawyer etc.) - most people who undertake those degrees seem to do allright. Then we look to the number of courses offered - at a guess, 70% of those have little to no job prospects (e.g. you have to be the top person in the class/country to get a sniff at a job in that field). And that's without accounting for the fact that some of the degrees are only applicable to those who want to work in Academia, thus necessitating the bloat of Academia to employ them, leading to increased courses, to pay for the course fees.

Finally - we need to talk about Trades. A Good Tradie can make a very nice living, without getting Student debt. This is something that many people have been pointing to that as the Tradespeople who grew up in the era of trade schools age out of the profession, the shortage is going to get worse and worse - but there is the option for many people to do Option B as you call it.


Good ideas, but umm, cough, cough which was the last government to raise GST?

Is it time for my Obligatory 'Fuck National' comment? Cause I think it is.


Before I answer that, I require a straight yes or no answer to my earlier question that you used that spectacular sidestep to avoid answering, even though you quoted it :laugh:
In the leaked draft, are the pollies in drag proposing to amend the constitution?

The short answer is they aren't. The Longer answer is they can't. That is not the place of the Supreme Court - they do not get to make amendments nor advise on them - that is the sole purpose of the Legislature, and not the purview of the Judiciary.

Does that answer your question?

[sugilite]

I think the problem is the progressive part started to go after Children - People can tolerate a lot of weird crap in Universities (even if they perhaps shouldn't) - but when some of that gets taught to Children - people get really conservative REALLY quickly.
Agreed. (notice my lack of detail in why I agreed - See, I'm learning! :bleh:)


Tis not a Side step, it's a dismissal.


A dismissal you say? Sounds like you are taking Trump at his word his phone never rang in that 7 hours?




'The system cannot provide'

Hold up, Imma stop you there - let's consider the AnCap scenario - you could have a shitty (very shitty) one bedroom home - no building regulations, no council permits - no cost of compliance.

The problem is that the barriers put in place 'for our own protection' have a cost, and that cost has to be paid by someone and if that prices unskilled jobs out of the market, then they have to look at alternatives - Flatting, upskilling etc.

OK, I'll try and explain my feelings on this as best I can. I'm sure once you have read it, you will assign me some political boxes for me to live in. I guess that will save me having to buy a house. Just don't put me into too many camps please. I can do Marxist Mondays, Theocracy Tuesdays, Totalitarianism Thursdays, Fascist Fridays, Socialist Saturdays, Secular Sundays (naturally), However I would really like to have Wednesday off if that is OK with you?

If society cannot have people working good honest (and often essential) 9 to 5 jobs without the opportunity to live in a no frills modest abode - then the fucking system is massively flawed. I'm not looking to deny people a pathway to high paid jobs if they want to do so through education or gaining experience. I do not have the perfect answer, that sort of thing is not my forte so to speak. But as the system stands now, it sucks arse big time. Once the transfer of wealth gets to the tipping point of revolution, violence and bloodshed instigated by the disillusioned have-nots - it is all so tiresomely predictable. It would be nice to see this so called civility the modern age has reportedly produced, be applicable to actual real life living for one and all.


And I see a LOT of people refusing to make that choice. Hell, when I first got a Motorbike, it was specifically because in order to buy a house in AKL we had to move all the way out to Gulf Harbour and I couldn't afford the petrol cost to commute to work in a Car. I made a choice and time rewarded me for it.
Yes, your reward was a hayabusa that ate tires like tic tacs and higher fuel consumption than your average car :D
I'm not really talking about those that want it all, but do fuck all to get it.




The short answer is they aren't. The Longer answer is they can't. That is not the place of the Supreme Court - they do not get to make amendments nor advise on them - that is the sole purpose of the Legislature, and not the purview of the Judiciary.

Does that answer your question?
It does, so in my opinion with regards to this specific issue, the right leaning judges are definitely behaving like pollies in drag. Especially the ones that said they viewed roe/wade as settled law in their "job" interviews.

Their latest move does not impress me either. As if the bloody american system is not already very susceptible to corruption :facepalm:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/16/politics/supreme-court-campaign-funds-ted-cruz/index.html

[TheDemonLord]

Agreed. (notice my lack of detail in why I agreed - See, I'm learning! :bleh:)

Well, that's going to be no fun :P


A dismissal you say? Sounds like you are taking Trump at his word his phone never rang in that 7 hours?

I neither believe nor disbelieve.


OK, I'll try and explain my feelings on this as best I can. I'm sure once you have read it, you will assign me some political boxes for me to live in. I guess that will save me having to buy a house. Just don't put me into too many camps please. I can do Marxist Mondays, Theocracy Tuesdays, Totalitarianism Thursdays, Fascist Fridays, Socialist Saturdays, Secular Sundays (naturally), However I would really like to have Wednesday off if that is OK with you?

If society cannot have people working good honest (and often essential) 9 to 5 jobs without the opportunity to live in a no frills modest abode - then the fucking system is massively flawed. I'm not looking to deny people a pathway to high paid jobs if they want to do so through education or gaining experience. I do not have the perfect answer, that sort of thing is not my forte so to speak. But as the system stands now, it sucks arse big time. Once the transfer of wealth gets to the tipping point of revolution, violence and bloodshed instigated by the disillusioned have-nots - it is all so tiresomely predictable. It would be nice to see this so called civility the modern age has reportedly produced, be applicable to actual real life living for one and all.

Without wanting to sound like I'm picking what you've said apart - what do you define as a no frills modest abode.

And before you answer - I just want to do a very quick thought experiment. Go back to when your Parents were children - what did a modest abode look like? I've got memories of both my Grandparents houses (one was a Council flat, the other was built by my Grandad).

Go back another 2 generations - in NZ we are now talking frontier type houses, where the number of bedrooms was related to how much you could be fucked building, in the UK it was likely a 2 up 2 down house, built in rows.

Go back even further and then you get stories of 14 child families in a one bedroom house, in conditions that today we would consider as appalling.

If we draw the line somewhere as to what no frills and modest is, that will - depending on how generous or strict your definition is, we will still end up excluding some people. And that doesn't include all the additional things there are to spend money on - Electricity, Internet, Netflix, Gym Membership etc. etc. All things which are technically luxuries, but are viewed more and more as necessities - it all adds up.

My particular ire with this 'issue' however is that I have first hand knowledge of my peer group, bitching and moaning about not being able to afford a house - and for the vast majority - the biggest impediments to them becoming home owners was their own decisions.

People look to others to solve their problems for them, instead of doing the sacrifices necessary to solve it themselves - and that really irks me.

As I said, I decided around age 25 that it was time to buy a house - I had to move out of the North Shore, out of Albany, all the way out to Gulf Harbour (which is a lovely place) - because I wanted a nice house in a nice area, the compromise was the commute. In hindsight, it was one of the top 3 decisions I ever made, but in the beginning it was tough, I got pinged for low equity, couldn't negotiate any decent rates, the banks didn't want to see or hear from me.

I don't have a full solution either - but a big part of it is the removal of red tape. The other big part is a problem with our tertiary education system (too many student loans for useless degrees). The final big part of the problem is Personal responsibility for Personal Choices - I remember my parents telling me in my 20s to save more and to look at a house, if I had listened to them just 2 years earlier, I could have bought my house for $100K less than what I did.


Yes, your reward was a hayabusa that ate tires like tic tacs and higher fuel consumption than your average car :D

To be fair, the Busa came later, first it was a mighty Hornet 250 (which you met)


I'm not really talking about those that want it all, but do fuck all to get it.

But in a way, you are - this isn't the first time or the first venue I've had this conversation with people - and in most cases, when you dig into their situation, I mean really dig - you find that the biggest factors are they aren't willing to degrade their standard of living from how they live now, for the chance to own a home.

And that it's 'My Generation' that is raising it, makes it closer to home for me.


It does, so in my opinion with regards to this specific issue, the right leaning judges are definitely behaving like pollies in drag. Especially the ones that said they viewed roe/wade as settled law in their "job" interviews.

Their latest move does not impress me either. As if the bloody american system is not already very susceptible to corruption :facepalm:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/16/politics/supreme-court-campaign-funds-ted-cruz/index.html

See, this is where I draw a distinction between my personal feelings on an issue and what the Constitution says. I outlined why I disagree with the decision in Roe, but am Pro-Choice. Reading the article - their reasoning is simple: There's a chilling effect on Campaigning (and therefore Political Speech) if a candidate has to worry about their ability to pay for their campaign. Any law that has a chilling effect on Free Speech is contrary to the First Amendment and therefore unconstitutional.

Now, let's assume I agree with you on your concern for this (I honestly don't hold an opinion either way) - I can look at it and say that the constitutional basis by which they made their decision is sound, even if I don't like the outcome of it.

To that end - The Supreme Court is doing exactly what it should be doing. If there needs to be a law in place, then either it needs to be much more tightly defined or it needs to be made via an Amendment.

[sugilite]

I neither believe nor disbelieve.
So no passionate wall of text in defense. I'll file that one under indefensible then <_<





Without wanting to sound like I'm picking what you've said apart - what do you define as a no frills modest abode. willing to comute up to an hour to get to work.
Bare legal minimum to comply with code, 1 bedroom etc. No frills, no netflix, no kfc every night etc.



My particular ire with this 'issue' however is that I have first hand knowledge of my peer group, bitching and moaning about not being able to afford a house - and for the vast majority - the biggest impediments to them becoming home owners was their own decisions.

People look to others to solve their problems for them, instead of doing the sacrifices necessary to solve it themselves - and that really irks me.
No quibble with that.



To be fair, the Busa came later, first it was a mighty Hornet 250 (which you met)
Yes, my post was to acknowledge your cheap motorcycle led to a more expensive one - I'm not going to diss that!




their reasoning is simple: There's a chilling effect on Campaigning (and therefore Political Speech) if a candidate has to worry about their ability to pay for their campaign. Any law that has a chilling effect on Free Speech is contrary to the First Amendment and therefore unconstitutional.
so your passionate words of live and act within your means does not extend to pollies wanting a campaign with every conceivable bell and whistle, so lets open it up to yet more corruption to make sure they can have their cake and eat it too. Wow, at least it conforms to free speech in the constitution.
And if the pollies in drag voting to overturn roe/wade do not offer an amendment to the constitution as a fix, then no amount of wall of text you will surely present will sway my opinion even 1mm that they are not simply political hacks.



If there needs to be a law in place, then either it needs to be much more tightly defined or it needs to be made via an Amendment.
I think we can both agree the conservative judges in this case will not even begin to entertain that whimsical notion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlKEb-KtZdI

[TheDemonLord]

So no passionate wall of text in defense. I'll file that one under indefensible then <_<

Well, no - it's under 'Where's the evidence one way or another' - and without evidence AND given the level of scrutiny...



Bare legal minimum to comply with code, 1 bedroom etc. No frills, no netflix, no kfc every night etc.

Comply with Code - even that, however, is an ever increasing cost. I'm not trying to knock any Builders, nor am I saying that we shouldn't have building codes - what I'm saying is that the building code should only be concerned with making sure the house doesn't fall down, doesn't leak and doesn't burst into flame. Things like Insulation or double glazing should not be mandated, because they drive the costs up and therefore price some people out of the market.


so your passionate words of live and act within your means does not extend to pollies wanting a campaign with every conceivable bell and whistle, so lets open it up to yet more corruption to make sure they can have their cake and eat it too. Wow, at least it conforms to free speech in the constitution.
And if the pollies in drag voting to overturn roe/wade do not offer an amendment to the constitution as a fix, then no amount of wall of text you will surely present will sway my opinion even 1mm that they are not simply political hacks.

The objection that you raise though is a non-starter. It's like in a Motor race - someone might find a cunning loophole in the current rules - The Race stewards might think it's BS, but if it complies with the rules, then it complies with the rules. It's the FIA or (insert governing body here) who is responsible for writing the rules. The Stewards (Supreme Court justices) have no basis to re-write the rules, that is the purview of the Legislature.

In this case - there argument is very clear - if you limit funds, you limit speech. limiting speech is against the 1st Amendment, therefore it's unconstitutional.

Should they live within their means for their campaign? Absolutely. Does that include living within their Donors means? Most likely.

That is a separate issue and TBH I am begrudgingly at the point where I've resigned myself that there will always be some base level of corruption, there is literally no way to weed it out. So I would rather have the donations be a public record so I can know who brib... I mean 'donating' to my candidate and so I know on which issues to be more skeptical.


I think we can both agree the conservative judges in this case will not even begin to entertain that whimsical notion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlKEb-KtZdI

Neither would a liberal judge - because the Judiciary is not the legislature. They have literally no basis to make law, only to interpret law. That is the very reason for the Seperation of Powers in the United States system.

Now to the video - interesting, but ultimately misses the mark on a number of things.

There are implied rights in the Constitution and rights which are granted by the customs and traditions of English Common Law - for example, did you know that Supreme Court opinions in the US have cited the Magna Carta more times than anyone else? Even though the Magna Carta is not the US Constitution.

He talks about Voting rights and how the constitution stopped them from being applied to Women - not strictly true. In order to vote you had to own a certain amount of property and unmarried women who owned above that threshold did get to vote (there are one or two documented ladies from this period).

So whilst there are rights that are implied or are considered to have a basis in common practice, there same cannot be said for Abortion.

His point about Benjamin Franklin falls flat when you read the detail of what he did - it's not an abortion, it's inducing a miscarriage early in the pregnancy - think of it like a Morning-After pill.


Edit: And since this is the Biden thread.

Have you seen the news article that half of Biden's Twitter followers are fake?

[Viking01]

.... There's a chilling effect on Campaigning (and therefore Political Speech) if a candidate has to worry about their ability to pay for their campaign. Any law that has a chilling effect on Free Speech is contrary to the First Amendment and therefore unconstitutional.

...

Morning.

So how did they manage in "the old days" ? When campaign funds might have been considerably less available.

And do you feel that:
1. the quality of the content - and debate - has improved as a result of the considerable increases in campaign funding ?

2. third parties (other than the Donkey and Elephant teams) comparatively receive a "fair deal" , in being able to package up and present their political offer ?

[TheDemonLord]

Morning.

So how did they manage in "the old days" ? When campaign funds might have been considerably less available.

Sure - the question is whether or not there is a federal limit on it. If you are good and lots of people donate (AKA the Market deciding) then you have lots of campaign funds, if you are crap, you don't.

If the Federal government says 'You can't spend that much' or 'this is the limit' - then that is a government infringement on free speech.


And do you feel that:
1. the quality of the content - and debate - has improved as a result of the considerable increases in campaign funding ?

With the exception of maybe Thatcher, it all went downhill after Churchill.


2. third parties (other than the Donkey and Elephant teams) comparatively receive a "fair deal" , in being able to package up and present their political offer ?

See above on it being a free market. I do agree though that The Donkey and the Elephant have brand awareness that independents don't.

[sugilite]

Well, no - it's under 'Where's the evidence one way or another' - and without evidence AND given the level of scrutiny...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/29/trump-white-house-logs/
"The records show that Trump was active on the phone for part of the day, documenting conversations that he had with at least eight people in the morning and 11 people that evening. The seven-hour gap also stands in stark contrast to the extensive public reporting about phone conversations he had with allies during the attack, such as a call Trump made to Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) — seeking to talk to Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) — and a phone conversation he had with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.)."

You need more gloss, gags and blindfolds




The objection that you raise though is a non-starter. It's like in a Motor race - someone might find a cunning loophole in the current rules - The Race stewards might think it's BS, but if it complies with the rules, then it complies with the rules.
If course you are right, every good constitution needs good loop holes. And when they are found, the pollies in drag should congratulate both themselves and whom ever bought the case with said loop holes to the court for their creativity in circumnavigating laws and the will of the people. <_<


Edit: And since this is the Biden thread.

Have you seen the news article that half of Biden's Twitter followers are fake?
As is the case of any popular person on twitter.
Should twitter do something about that? Yes. Why have they not? You can bet their bottom dollar the answer revolves around revenue.

As an aside, I tried advertising on facebook. I compared their resulting stats with my web logs and concluded that facebook are their own largest click farm - outright fraud.

[Berries]

With the exception of maybe Thatcher, it all went downhill after Churchill.
Wash your mouth out.

[TheDemonLord]

Wash your mouth out.

I like Thatchers speeches and I grew up in post-Thatcher Britain - she was certainly... strident in her views. Probably one of the reasons I like her.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/29/trump-white-house-logs/
"The records show that Trump was active on the phone for part of the day, documenting conversations that he had with at least eight people in the morning and 11 people that evening. The seven-hour gap also stands in stark contrast to the extensive public reporting about phone conversations he had with allies during the attack, such as a call Trump made to Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) — seeking to talk to Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) — and a phone conversation he had with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.)."

You need more gloss, gags and blindfolds

Hold up one tickety Boo, now again - I have no opinion on this one way or another - however - in that article, we have the official minutes and we have a bunch of hearsay that he was supposedly on the phone during this time.

Could the meeting minutes have been tampered? Sure. Does there exist a Cell phone log that would corroborate or disprove what is claimed? Absolutely. And if it showed that this wasn't true, then you can bet the Dems would be trumpeting it around the world. I'm saying that the lack of that bit of evidence given the intense scrutiny is the basis for my opinion.



If course you are right, every good constitution needs good loop holes. And when they are found, the pollies in drag should congratulate both themselves and whom ever bought the case with said loop holes to the court for their creativity in circumnavigating laws and the will of the people. <_<

This isn't even a loophole though - it's very simply 'Is this protected by the Constitution' - Free Speech (and therefore Political Speech) is definitely protected, so in the example given, their reasoning was sound - a financial limit has a chilling effect on speech, therefore not constitutional.

With Abortion, there's nothing written in the constitution nor is there anything in any other foundational texts (Magna carta, English Bill of Rights etc.) that supports it being constitutionally protected.

And remember - if it's not protected by the constitution, the individual states will be free to decide their own Abortion laws.


As is the case of any popular person on twitter.
Should twitter do something about that? Yes. Why have they not? You can bet their bottom dollar the answer revolves around revenue.

As an aside, I tried advertising on facebook. I compared their resulting stats with my web logs and concluded that facebook are their own largest click farm - outright fraud.

Elon is currently wonderfully having fun with that - an audit on him found 20% of his followers are bots, whereas Twitters SEC fillings said only 5% of twitter users are bots....

And I agree that Twitter have been hesitant to do something about it, for the precise reason you raise. I just found it interesting how the most popular president evertm has half of his twitter followers as bots.

[Berries]

I like Thatchers speeches and I grew up in post-Thatcher Britain - she was certainly... strident in her views. Probably one of the reasons I like her.
I left school in 83 or 84. I am from a mining village in Nottingham so all the buses were fitted with chicken wire at the time. Great times. Indirectly I have to thank her for the fact that I eventually ended up in NZ with a decent job and a great life. Still think she can fuck right off for the fact I had to leave my family behind to make any headway.

Since being closed down our colliery has become one of the top three dogging sites in the country so her legacy continues.

[TheDemonLord]

I left school in 83 or 84. I am from a mining village in Nottingham so all the buses were fitted with chicken wire at the time. Great times. Indirectly I have to thank her for the fact that I eventually ended up in NZ with a decent job and a great life. Still think she can fuck right off for the fact I had to leave my family behind to make any headway.

That explains a few things.

See, having not lived through that, I view it from a historical view - and I think it would be uncontroversial to say that many British Industries, especially the Mining industry had major problems that started long before Thatcher.

Could they have been fixed? Maybe - maybe not.
Did Thatcher fix the problem and save the country? In my opinion, yes.

But yes - if you are from up t'North, then considering Thatcher as worse than Satan is entirely acceptable.


Since being closed down our colliery has become one of the top three dogging sites in the country so her legacy continues.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[sugilite]

Beware the Ultra Maga!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9iraxOWCk

[TheDemonLord]

Beware the Ultra Maga!

I was waiting for someone to reference Ultra MAGA.

The memes and the embrace by the right on it have been glorious.

[sugilite]

I was waiting for someone to reference Ultra MAGA.

The memes and the embrace by the right on it have been glorious.

Let us not forget Dark Maga either! (TM madison cawthorn)

[TheDemonLord]

The Democrats: "To save our Children, we must ban Guns!"

Also The Democrats: Sexualizing Children is A-Ok. (https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1534224620504555520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1534224620504555520%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcaliforniaglobe.com%2Farticl es%2Fsen-scott-wiener-proposes-to-offer-drag-queen-101-as-part-of-the-k-12-curriculum%2F)


Edit:

And before anyone tries to make the point - Drag Queens are hilarious - completely fine ADULT Entertainment.

[R650R]

https://patriotdetroit.com/columnists/charlie-kirk/blog/planned-parenthood-insurrectionists-pro-abortion-protestors-invade-wisconsin-capitol

This sounds awfully familiar to some recent news.....

[TheDemonLord]

I generally give Biden a lot of free passes for the Stupid shit he says - however this one - this rankled me, not just because of how absolutely moronic it is, but also because it shows his true colours. This was, in every way, a Marie Antoinette moment:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMX2f0UZpJY

(Skip to 1:19)

"This is a Time of War... ....bring down the price that you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost that you are paying for the product"

"Sir the Peasants can't afford Petrol! What shall we do?"
"Let them pay less!"

But in all seriousness, this comment alone explains, perhaps above all else, why the Democrats have screwed the Economy so badly. They don't understand basic Economics. They don't understand how a business operates. They are so divorced from the reality of what is means to work and own a business that they think that the Petrol Stations can just lower the price.

[R650R]

Not sure why all the RockWader stuff was in Trump thread, apparently he’s not president anymore and this Biden joker is in charge....
Anyhow a comment struck a chord today just how much everyone has been played by the media.
The Supreme Court, Biden or the USA has NOT made abortion illegal.
All they did was overturn a decision made 50 years ago and given the POWER back to individual STATES to decide what goes on in their backyard.
At the recent elections we heard so much about democracy in USA, some would say a tremendous amount about democracy. About how Biden made America great again, tremendously great and free.
We heard so much. We heard so much about how the political system was not corrupt, that elections were free and fair. There was no fraud. Everyone is so TRUSTWORTHY at state level. Biden has record 81% support or something.
So why are people so upset about the most trustworthy uncorrupt people being able to decide abortion regulation at local level???

[sugilite]

Not sure why all the RockWader stuff was in Trump thread, apparently he’s not president anymore and this Biden joker is in charge....
Anyhow a comment struck a chord today just how much everyone has been played by the media.
The Supreme Court, Biden or the USA has NOT made abortion illegal.
All they did was overturn a decision made 50 years ago and given the POWER back to individual STATES to decide what goes on in their backyard.
At the recent elections we heard so much about democracy in USA, some would say a tremendous amount about democracy. About how Biden made America great again, tremendously great and free.
We heard so much. We heard so much about how the political system was not corrupt, that elections were free and fair. There was no fraud. Everyone is so TRUSTWORTHY at state level. Biden has record 81% support or something.
So why are people so upset about the most trustworthy uncorrupt people being able to decide abortion regulation at local level???

All we do around these parts is comment how corrupt the US political system is.
Despite that, trumps own boss of election security stated this was a free and fair election with no widespread fraud.
Are you trying to pass off that the electrol workers being largely honest in most states and even the republican ones pushing back against trumps big lie somehow translates to tacit full endorsement that the states own political system are just and honest? Because that is the way I'm reading it. We all know pollies cannot help but take credit for others hard work, but if that is the line you are taking, it is you that has been played by their propaganda.
And as for Biden ever having an approval rate of a very specific stated 81% - points towards the absurdity of your line of reasoning throughout your entire post.

[R650R]

All we do around these parts is comment how corrupt the US political system is.
Despite that, trumps own boss of election security stated this was a free and fair election with no widespread fraud.
Are you trying to pass off that the electrol workers being largely honest in most states and even the republican ones pushing back against trumps big lie somehow translates to tacit full endorsement that the states own political system are just and honest? Because that is the way I'm reading it. We all know pollies cannot help but take credit for others hard work, but if that is the line you are taking, it is you that has been played by their propaganda.
And as for Biden ever having an approval rate of a very specific stated 81% - points towards the absurdity of your line of reasoning throughout your entire post.

I’m trying to illustrate the absurdity of people being upset at power over a certain issue being released to be governed at a local level where it’s probably even easier to influence through normal democratic processes who is in power. Most pro choice people live in states that are pro choice and most anti abortion people prob live in Bible Belt middle states so really everyone should be mostly living a normal life once dust settles.

[Berries]

Re-election on the cards?

Should Biden run again? (https://www.theonion.com/americans-discuss-whether-biden-should-run-again-1849113108)

[pritch]

Not sure why all the RockWader stuff was in Trump thread, apparently he’s not president anymore and this Biden joker is in charge....
Anyhow a comment struck a chord today just how much everyone has been played by the media.
The Supreme Court, Biden or the USA has NOT made abortion illegal.
All they did was overturn a decision made 50 years ago and given the POWER back to individual STATES to decide what goes on in their backyard.
At the recent elections we heard so much about democracy in USA, some would say a tremendous amount about democracy. About how Biden made America great again, tremendously great and free.
We heard so much. We heard so much about how the political system was not corrupt, that elections were free and fair. There was no fraud. Everyone is so TRUSTWORTHY at state level. Biden has record 81% support or something.
So why are people so upset about the most trustworthy uncorrupt people being able to decide abortion regulation at local level???

You need to do some reading. All civil rights legislation has been passed into federal law. Some of the states are just not interested in womens rights, gay rights, or minority rights. If it was left up to the states there would still be seperate drinking fountains for blacks and whites in the more backward states. And some are very fucking backward.

[TheDemonLord]

You need to do some reading. All civil rights legislation has been passed into federal law. Some of the states are just not interested in womens rights, gay rights, or minority rights. If it was left up to the states there would still be seperate drinking fountains for blacks and whites in the more backward states. And some are very fucking backward.

Yes, those Democrats were fond of their Racial Segregation....

But back to the Federal Law - they haven't been passed into Federal Law, often they have been found via Judicial Activism and enforced that way.

Some of them can rightly be inferred from a pre-existing right in the Constitution, others are a little more stretched.

What should be happening is that the rights that have been 'found' should be proposed for Constitutional Amendments.

Reading the history of some of the more contentious (from an American perspective) SCOTUS rulings has been interesting - a lot of legal criticism directed at the court as acting as a de-facto 3rd legislature, without the oversight of a Public Vote... From both sides, admittedly more fervently from the Republicans when it is is seen as a 'Liberal' Court and from the Democrats when it is seen as a Conservative court.

I, myself, happen to agree that some of the rights that have been 'found' in the Constitution have a number of great leaps to link them - and that the 'proper' way to settle the debate would be to not leave them as un-enumerated, but to codify them into Constitutional Law via an Amendment.

[R650R]

You need to do some reading. All civil rights legislation has been passed into federal law. Some of the states are just not interested in womens rights, gay rights, or minority rights. If it was left up to the states there would still be seperate drinking fountains for blacks and whites in the more backward states. And some are very fucking backward.

Just out of interest what rights are women, gays or any minority group deprived of in any modern western society that are not already coveted by the human rights acts or any of the UN conventions etc????

[pritch]

Just out of interest what rights are women, gays or any minority group deprived of in any modern western society that are not already coveted by the human rights acts or any of the UN conventions etc????

In this country perhaps, not the US, they tend to do their own thing. F'rinstance the US is not a signatory to the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The one that deals with war crimes and such.

It seems you missed it, but Justice Thomas has already suggested that the Supeme Court revisit their rulings on contraception, gay marriage and sodomy. I suspect that the only reason he didn't suggest bringing back laws against racially mixed marriages is because his marriage is one such.

In terms of 'modern western society' the US is rather backward. They have long paid too much attention to what other people were doing in their bedrooms, and latterly which toilet they used.

[TheDemonLord]

In this country perhaps, not the US, they tend to do their own thing. F'rinstance the US is not a signatory to the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The one that deals with war crimes and such.

It seems you missed it, but Justice Thomas has already suggested that the Supeme Court revisit their rulings on contraception, gay marriage and sodomy. I suspect that the only reason he didn't suggest bringing back laws against racially mixed marriages is because his marriage is one such.

In terms of 'modern western society' the US is rather backward. They have long paid too much attention to what other people were doing in their bedrooms, and latterly which toilet they used.

In seems you've missed it, but just removing Constitutional 'rights' that were based on bad legal reasoning, doesn't mean that they are bringing the Law back. It means it goes back to being a States rights issue.

Is there any state that would make inter-racial Marriage illegal again? I doubt it. Probably some that would make Gay Marriage no longer valid.

In terms of Toilets - I mean - it could be that there are a number of documented instances of supposedly 'Trans Women' (Biological Males) claiming to be Women, in order to get access to Women Only spaces, and then Raping them (and then it being covered up by the Democrat supporting institutions...) I mean, it could be that.

It could also be that we've seen things like this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUlTZjyXEAUvaAf?format=jpg&name=large

(That's a child, putting money in the Underwear of a Drag 'Dancer') and gone 'yeah, this isn't okay'

Tell me Pritch - that Image - do you think that it's right and appropriate for it to be happening? or do you feel it's wrong? If you feel it's right - then how come you think the US is Backwards, if you think it's wrong - why?

[sugilite]

The glowing top of the incredibly long (as in guineas book of records long) lower arm.
Magats, they'll believe anything :rolleyes:

[TheDemonLord]

The glowing top of the incredibly long (as in guineas book of records long) lower arm.
Magats, they'll believe anything :rolleyes:

I mean - if you are saying the picture is fake, there's plenty more pictures and videos of Children being exposed to Drag shows. Well, those that haven't been yeeted off into the ether for making people upset at Intersectional Trans Ideology...

However, if you are referring to the lady in the Blue top with her Phone, I think that her Arm is resting on the table and obscured by other left arm and her Wine, the thing that is at a perfect 45 degree angle looks to be part of the Table support.

but back to the point - Is there any here that is going to say that this is okay? If you don't think it's okay, then maybe the Conservatives might have a point that there are aspects that have gone too far.

[george formby]

In what context was that photo taken?

[Berries]

It was the Hamilton Chipmunks Easter party by the look of it.

[TheDemonLord]

In what context was that photo taken?

Does it matter? Is there a context where you think this is okay?

And I want to be clear - if this was all Adults - go for gold, you do you, have fun!
When you are involving Children, I (and many others) draw a very hard and a very firm line.

Some reports are saying the Image is of a Burlesque show (Hyper Left wing apologia sites - so I tend to disregard their view) - but even then, Burlesque is a form of Adult entertainment - e.g. Not appropriate for Children. especially not when it's Children putting Dollars in a performers Lingerie.

There are a myriad of other images/videos of similar events/instances - this one is perhaps the most confronting.

[george formby]

Does it matter? Is there a context where you think this is okay?

And I want to be clear - if this was all Adults - go for gold, you do you, have fun!
When you are involving Children, I (and many others) draw a very hard and a very firm line.

Some reports are saying the Image is of a Burlesque show (Hyper Left wing apologia sites - so I tend to disregard their view) - but even then, Burlesque is a form of Adult entertainment - e.g. Not appropriate for Children. especially not when it's Children putting Dollars in a performers Lingerie.

There are a myriad of other images/videos of similar events/instances - this one is perhaps the most confronting.

It sure is confronting. My first thought was how on earth could the adults in the room think that the situation is ok?

I run a mile from objective entertainment like that, it feels wrong to me on sooo many levels. And no, I don't think their is a context where a little girl stuffing money into a persons knickers is ok.

Nevertheless, it looks like a small private gathering and I asked because they may all be family, the performer and the wee girl may be closely related, perhaps live under the same roof.

Even if that were the case it still doesn't make it normal to me, but without all the facts I won't pass judgement on character or integrity.

[F5 Dave]

It is nice to see TDL showing some moral fortitude. It's OK to shoot them but not ok to fuck them.

[TheDemonLord]

It is nice to see TDL showing some moral fortitude. It's OK to shoot them but not ok to fuck them.

Indeed, 350 people per year killed in 'mass shootings' vs a best case estimate of 63,000 instances of Child Rape.

And again, so we are clear, Consenting Adults can do whatever they like. But this is involving Children.

[TheDemonLord]

It sure is confronting. My first thought was how on earth could the adults in the room think that the situation is ok?

"If we don't normalize this, our Children might grow up to be Bigoted!"


I run a mile from objective entertainment like that, it feels wrong to me on sooo many levels.

See, I've seen Drag acts - I think they are hilarious, watched Burlesque too - great fun for Adults, if you like that thing. If not, then as adults you don't need to go to the venues where that sort of things happens.


And no, I don't think their is a context where a little girl stuffing money into a persons knickers is ok.

And that is why a number of previously tolerant people are starting to get irritated with the crusade of the Alphabet people- when they push the demand for acceptance and tolerance too far and into realms where it does not belong.


Nevertheless, it looks like a small private gathering and I asked because they may all be family, the performer and the wee girl may be closely related, perhaps live under the same roof.

Even if that were the case it still doesn't make it normal to me, but without all the facts I won't pass judgement on character or integrity.

Having seen Images from other similar events/shows, having read their literature and having seen some of things from the likes of Libs of TikTok, I have gone passed the point of 'Benefit of the Doubt'.

[F5 Dave]

Not sure what he said as I cant see it, but assuming he implied it was ok to molest kids if you were part of the church.

And shoot them, just because, Freedumb.

[husaberg]

Not sure what he said as I cant see it, but assuming he implied it was ok to molest kids if you were part of the church.

And shoot them, just because, Freedumb.

shirley it would be more.
"its okay for religious people to molest kids as long as theïr church is not a mosque."

[Laava]

shirley it would be more.
"its okay for religious people to molest kids as long as theïr church is not a mosque."
Well, if they're catholic, sure!…

[TheDemonLord]

shirley it would be more.
"its okay for religious people to molest kids as long as theïr church is not a mosque."

Or... And hear me out here...

It's not okay for either of them to do it. I have no love of the Catholic Church and the sheer multitude of ridicule that gets heaped upon them for harboring certain priests is testament (Pun intended) to how reviled they are.

That said, can't make those jokes about another demographic... well, not without risking beheading and hate speech prosecutions.

[TheDemonLord]

https://twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816

I don't think I really need to add much commentary here.

But I will point out, the original poster of the video put as the Text "Children belong at Drag Shows" and included the Rainbow Emoji.

They are signalling their support for an idea and the content of the video clearly shows were they think that idea ought to go.

Anyone here going to try and defend the indefensible?

[sugilite]

Nup, we will leave that to the master - you.

[TheDemonLord]

Nup, we will leave that to the master - you.

Funny - but the point being - this is only a few steps removed from where this particular left wing, intersectional philosophy is headed. I say a few steps removed, because there are people who are trying to make it LGBTQIAP. I'll give you 3 guesses as to what the P stands for (and it isn't Meth... Hell, that wouldn't be as bad) - and they are trying to use the same justifications as to why they should be 'accepted'.

[Berries]

Is it Palmerston North?

[TheDemonLord]

Is it Palmerston North?

I'm not sure they are that degenerate...

[sugilite]

Much more damaging for children than them seeing a bunch of trannies dancing about.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129101195/the-shuffle-of-paedophile-priests-without-punishment

[TheDemonLord]

Much more damaging for children than them seeing a bunch of trannies dancing about.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129101195/the-shuffle-of-paedophile-priests-without-punishment

Just 3 points:

1: Absolutely 100% support for bringing Pedo Priests to justice, even if we have to storm the Vatican to drag them kicking and screaming to court.

2: I wouldn't be so sure - have you read any accounts of people who have de-transitioned? Probably not because it's not widely published (Wonder why...) even those who just did Hormone Therapy/Puberty Blockers, the results are lifelong and horrific.

3: What do you think the ultimate goal is, of someone who wants to introduce Sex and Sexuality to a Child. And as per the video, we aren't talking about people in their teenage years (where an argument *could* be made that it's time to introduce them to such concepts) - that Girl looks maybe 4? Certainly not old enough to start school.

Ask yourself: What person has a desire to try and normalize sexual behavior being shown to Children?

And as a point of Clarification, this is just a little bit more than merely Trannies Dancing, isn't it?

[Laava]

Much more damaging for children than them seeing a bunch of trannies dancing about.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129101195/the-shuffle-of-paedophile-priests-without-punishment

Is it time for some sarcasm?

[F5 Dave]

It seems a shame that there is no Hell for Christians to rot in for being complicit to a sex obsessed religion that clearly and demonstrably propagates such sexual deviants to prey on children.

And clearly proves that there is no God.

[TheDemonLord]

So, Biden is just 2% points in terms of disapproval off from Trump's Lowest Approval.

Rumours of Biden belittling his Staff.

Record high Fuel prices.

etc.
etc.

Some of these things saw the usual suspects (the Alphabet media) tearing strips off of Trump and people here tore strips off of me for supporting him, pointing to those things as 'proof' of how bad a President he was.

And yet when it comes to Biden.... Crickets.


As for the Fuel prices - One in a long list of Trump predictions about the Biden presidency to come true.

Are you happy yet? Do you still think that Biden is better than Trump?

Is anyone Brave enough yet to admit that the Trump presidency was significantly better?

Cause if not - you deserve everything you are suffering through, and the more yet to come.

[Viking01]

So, Biden is just 2% points in terms of disapproval off from Trump's Lowest Approval.

Rumours of Biden belittling his Staff.

Record high Fuel prices.

etc.
etc.

Some of these things saw the usual suspects (the Alphabet media) tearing strips off of Trump and people here tore strips off of me for supporting him, pointing to those things as 'proof' of how bad a President he was.

And yet when it comes to Biden.... Crickets.


As for the Fuel prices - One in a long list of Trump predictions about the Biden presidency to come true.

Are you happy yet? Do you still think that Biden is better than Trump?

Is anyone Brave enough yet to admit that the Trump presidency was significantly better?

Cause if not - you deserve everything you are suffering through, and the more yet to come.

https://sputniknews.com/20220709/gop-wants-blood-amid-reports-that-biden-sold-oil-from-strategic-reserve-to-hunter-linked-prc-gas-co-1097134663.html

[TheDemonLord]

https://sputniknews.com/20220709/gop-wants-blood-amid-reports-that-biden-sold-oil-from-strategic-reserve-to-hunter-linked-prc-gas-co-1097134663.html

If ever there was a Microcosm of the difference between the Trump and Biden presidencies:

Trump put oil into the Strategic reserve, to Safeguard America and Americans.
Biden sells oil from the Strategic reserve to Foreigners.

[Viking01]

If ever there was a Microcosm of the difference between the Trump and Biden presidencies:

Trump put oil into the Strategic reserve, to Safeguard America and Americans.
Biden sells oil from the Strategic reserve to Foreigners.

Given that parcels of oil went to Europe and India, he might have had some political wiggle-room :
- crude oil to Europe as feed stock to their refineries (in lieu of Russian product)
- crude oil into Indian refineries in order to obtain refined product in turn (increased overall refining capacity)

But sending some product to Chinese Sinopec ? That was always going to be a hard case to argue.

[TheDemonLord]

Given that parcels of oil went to Europe and India, he might have had some political wiggle-room :
- crude oil to Europe as feed stock to their refineries (in lieu of Russian product)
- crude oil into Indian refineries in order to obtain refined product in turn (increased overall refining capacity)

But sending some product to Chinese Sinopec ? That was always going to be a hard case to argue.

I think the greater problem is the Average Petrol price in the US has gone from just over $2 /Gallon to $5 /Gallon, all in the space of Biden's presidency (Cause, Effect...).

That Oil was released to help the domestic petrol price, not to help overseas countries.

A lot of US commentators are extremely sore about this.

Add into that Trump warning Europe to move away from Energy Dependency on Russia (Remember how he was laughed at.... Remember how he's supposedly the Russian Puppet...) and there's a strong sentiment in the US 'You were warned, you scoffed at us, now it's come to pass and you look to us for Aid? Should have heeded our warnings when we gave them or at least acted with a little more grace.'

India I can't comment on - I haven't seen a lot of chatter about that - but you are correct on the China front - that's just beyond the pail for what some see as the US's political and economic adversary.

[R650R]

Apparently Biden’s Telepromter machine has walked off the job after getting tired of being constantly ignored lol....

That’s high treason to be selling the strategic reserve to potential enemy in time of war....

But don’t forget this also because of the greens

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/03/russian-linked-groups-donated-to-anti-frakking-green-groups-because-they-love-the-planet-right/

The Wall Street Journal / The Australian

A mere 15 years ago, countries in the EU produced more gas than Russia exported. Yet European production has plunged by more than half during the past decade. Putin has happily filled the supply gap.

In 2020 Russia exported nearly three times more gas than Europe produced. What’s amazing is that Europe increased its reliance on Russian gas even after Gazprom repeatedly suspended pipeline exports to Ukraine.

Europe still had the gas, it just needed to be convinced not to use it:

Europe had an estimated 966 trillion cubic feet of technically recoverable wet natural gas resources as of 2013, about enough to supply the EU for 60 years. Much of this is located in eastern Europe, including Ukraine, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria. But France, Britain, The Netherlands and Germany are also sitting on shale deposits.

In 2014, a NATO bigwig and former Prime Minister of Denmark claimed the Russians were fuelling the opposition to frakking.

Former NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen blamed Russia for fuelling the fracking opposition. “Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organisations – environmental organisations working against shale gas – to maintain dependence on imported Russian gas,” he noted in 2014.

“I have met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organisations — environmental organizations working against shale gas — to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas,” said Rasmussen…

[TheDemonLord]

Ah, Remember posts like this: https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/188513-Trump?p=1131194549#post1131194549


No one really gives a shit about biden but hes 20X the guy trump is
But how do you account for Bidens approval rating being nearly 10% ahead of trumps at the same stage of the presidency?
You know facts like real stats. don't favour trump neither did the votes

So, in the wake of This (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html) - being Biden's approval rating of 33%, lower than Trump's lowest of 34% - What say you all?

How do YOU account for Biden's Approval rating?

You know, facts like Real Stats.

Who is brave enough to admit that clearly Biden isn't 20X the guy Trump is and clearly Trump was the better President?

[sugilite]

Trump tried to overthrow a free and legitimate election. So request for any morsels of respect denied. Feel free to continue fawning over the scumbag though.

[sugilite]

Look at these fine young conservative pollies coming through in the States. Impressive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8bMm3xCpI

[TheDemonLord]

Trump tried to overthrow a free and legitimate election. So request for any morsels of respect denied. Feel free to continue fawning over the scumbag though.

In a country with more Guns than people and enshrined right in a constitution to keep and bear said guns, for the express purposes of overthrowing a Government - you still want me to believe that there was a genuine insurrection attempt with not a single Firearm in sight?

Free and Legitimate? Just apart from the state voting law changes and the illegitimate suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop. Those 2 things alone cast a very long shadow over the claim of Free and Legitimate.

What was the line that was used again? Ah yes 'We fortified the election'. One Mans fortification is another Mans rigged.

Besides - I don't need to fawn over a Scumbag as you say - I'm having a great time pointing to all the arguments that were made against Trump and how objectively Biden is worse, based on those metrics In every way.

Approval Rating
Criminal Family
Overseas Corruption
Covid Deaths
Economy
Foreign Policy
Public speaking
Public Gaffes
Dementia/Age related mental decline

etc. etc. etc.

The Washington Post of all places said it best on their article attempting to defend Biden in regards to Covid Deaths:

"By making that statement, Biden set himself up for the comparison"

And now all those statements that were barbs against Trump, I get to have immense fun comparing Biden to them and the results are glorious. Further to that, I get to point to the irrational and hysterical hatred of Trump based on those claims and ask where is the equal hatred for Biden, for the same reason?

The lack of furious posts is proof positive of what my over-arching point has been all along:

You've been duped when it comes to Trump. You're hatred of the Man was based solely on the narrative you were fed by a partisan and hostile media. The justification provided, if genuine, would provoke the same or a more severe reaction against Biden for the same reason.

I mean, when I asked why people didn't like him - all the reasons cited (not just from you, but I seem to recall you echoed one of them - his treatment of Contractors) - all were garnered from stories that were created after he announced his presidential run. Muddied in the mists of time, granted - but the proof was iron-clad - time stamped and verified.

You can hate Trump if you want, it makes little to no difference to me, just so long as you hate Biden with equal fervor for the same reasons.

All the time that there is that double-standard, you'll find me gleefully reveling in pointing it out.

[sugilite]

Mate, while I have not blocked you, I simply do not read your walls of text any more. .5 might, so keep at it if you wish.

Another fine new conservative. They have a knack for finding them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNF7uTEaNIA

[TheDemonLord]

Look at these fine young conservative pollies coming through in the States. Impressive.

How dare you not listen to the lived experience of People of Colour, you need to be uplifting the voices of People of Colour, not shutting them down...

Wait? What's that? They are Republican?

Well if you don't vote for Biden, you ain't Black....

(Just in case anyone is unsure - all those talking points are taken verbatim from the Democrats, if you think they sound a tiny bit racists - just remember who the party of the KKK was)

However, the video itself isn't the own the lincoln project and you think it is: It's ridiculing (crudely, to be fair) why the Green New Deal is the biggest rort in history - when the 2 countries who produce by far the most air pollution aren't bound by it.

The reason it sounds utterly ridiculous.... is because the Green New Deal is utterly ridiculous.

[sugilite]

Republicans "think of the children" rhetoric whilst passing laws that force 10 years olds to either carry rape babies to term or travel out of state to abort. What a bunch of scumbags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YgvxSTsiN4

[TheDemonLord]

Mate, while I have not blocked you, I simply do not read your walls of text any more. .5 might, so keep at it if you wish.

Oh I know - but may I suggest the reason the wind has gone out of your sails is because of the very thing I'm pointing out.

If Biden was doing great, you'd be more than happy to spar with me and point to whatever facts and figures you felt best proved your point on a given subject and day.

But he's doing worse than Trump in just about every way that you care about. You cannot bear to admit that to either yourself or worse yet - to me.


Another fine new conservative. They have a knack for finding them.

Interesting channel - I mean he starts with the ad hominems, throws in a little poisoning of the well - yeah, I'm sure I can *totally* trust this guy... Not...

but what I find interesting - is that for a Channel with over 700 thousand subscribers, only 70,000 views? Only 788 comments? That is pitiful audience engagement.

The people, his audience, aren't buying what he's selling.

Conversely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgT62NDqtw This is one of the Legal channels I follow - 200K subscribers, 130K views, nearly 1,000 comments. More views, More comments, with a quarter of the channel size.

[TheDemonLord]

Republicans "think of the children" rhetoric whilst passing laws that force 10 years olds to either carry rape babies to term or travel out of state to abort. What a bunch of scumbags.

So, we are talking about the Ohio case, yes? Now to be clear - I disagree with Ohio's laws.

I also want to be clear that the case they are talking about before Roe was overturned made up less than 0.1% of all Abortions, it's always the go-to scenario used as justification - but it represents a number so small as to be statistically irrelevant.

Finally - you say 'Republicans' - you do know that Ohio is not a deep red or a deep blue state - in fact, it's one of the most notorious Swing States in the whole of the US. With both a Democrat and Republican Senator.

[sugilite]

Oh I know - but may I suggest the reason the wind has gone out of your sails is because of the very thing I'm pointing out.

As usual, you are wrong. Despite your steadfast refusal to accept me never being a Biden fan let alone defender, the actual reason you are now permanently on my shit list if you are interested - is your quote "words don't matter". At that point I realized it is pointless debating anything with you. Dancing trannies is more unacceptable for you than kids being shot in the head so many times they have to be identified by the sneakers they are wearing. I have moved you into the conservative scumbag maga group trump created. You firmly and deservedly belong there. You are a low rent troll with little else to offer. I'll leave your post below, a standard TDL troll. Shoot the messenger and don't even mention the points he made which incidentally are largely verifyably true. Classic TDL diarrhea. I'm just letting you know exactly why I no longer read your walls of text and troll me as hard as you like, I will likely not bother replying to you again. You wore me down with your never ending tidal wave of disingenuous bullshit, so if you want to take that as a win, have at it. It is not an accolade I would be proud of, but hey there you go.




Interesting channel - I mean he starts with the ad hominems, throws in a little poisoning of the well - yeah, I'm sure I can *totally* trust this guy... Not...

but what I find interesting - is that for a Channel with over 700 thousand subscribers, only 70,000 views? Only 788 comments? That is pitiful audience engagement.

The people, his audience, aren't buying what he's selling.

Conversely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgT62NDqtw This is one of the Legal channels I follow - 200K subscribers, 130K views, nearly 1,000 comments. More views, More comments, with a quarter of the channel size.

[TheDemonLord]

As usual, you are wrong. Despite your steadfast refusal to accept me never being a Biden fan let alone defender, the actual reason you are now permanently on my shit list if you are interested - is your quote "words don't matter".

I never said you were a Biden fan, or defender - I said you don't have the same irrational hatred of Biden that you still do of Trump - despite Biden being worse than Trump on the very metrics you say you care about.

"By making the statements, you invited the comparison"

All you have to do to prove me wrong is say the simple phrase "Wow, Biden is worse than Trump" - but I don't think you would... or even can...


Dancing trannies is more unacceptable for you than kids being shot in the head so many times they have to be identified by the sneakers they are wearing.

One is being actively promoted.
One is not.
One is happening here in NZ.
One is not.
One is being injected into School Curricula.
One is not.
One is seen as a good thing to be encouraged.
One is seen as a negative consequences of people having freedom.
One has the backing of Media, Social Media, Politicians, Institutions etc..
One does not.

Trannies can dance as much as they like with ne'er an eyelash batted from me.

When it's actively sexualizing Children - I draw a very hard line there. And when it's parading a 4 year old around with a Stripper in Nipple tassles and a Thong and Dollar bills hanging out - Yeah, I think that's wrong.

That in-of-itself would be bad and cause for concern, but when the same ideology that does that is being promoted by the likes of Disney (the biggest Child entertainment company) saying "They've been welcome of my not-so-secret Gay Agenda" and "where ever I could, just adding Queerness" - that's an issue I'm concerned about.

(And let's take a moment to remind everyone about Hollywood and it's problem with the Casting Couch.... Including Minors)

If you've not read the history of Intersectional theory and it's Marxist roots,
if you've not read the history of Sex Education and it's links to Pedophiles (No, seriously - look up Alfred Kinsey and how part of his 'research' was based on the crimes of one Rex King) - From the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/movies/alfred-kinsey-liberator-or-pervert.html)
If you've not read about the likes of Harry Hay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay (Communist, Gay Rights Activist Man-Boy Lover advocate)
If you've not seen the academic attempts to justify Pedophilia as a Sexual Orientation

Then you are missing a whole lot of Context.

I will end this part to be clear: Between consenting Adults, I don't care one iota what you get up to. Just don't involve Kids. Simple.


I have moved you into the conservative scumbag maga group trump created. You firmly and deservedly belong there. You are a low rent troll with little else to offer.

Low-Rent? I do this for free.


I'll leave your post below, a standard TDL troll. Shoot the messenger and don't even mention the points he made which incidentally are largely verifyably true.

I don't have any particular opinion on Dr Oz. I've seen bits of him, I've heard of him. However, when someone on a video supposedly 'exposing' him is bringing up that the Deans of a school that it went to and the crimes they committed - they are engaging in poisoning the Well.

That tells me that everything that follows is to be treated with the height of Suspicion. I tried watching the rest, but after 2 minutes of constant character assassination, ad hominems and the aforementioned poisoning the well - I gave up. Is there some factual critique in the rest of the video - I'll take your word that there is - Do I have any confidence that if I was to fact-check all these factual points that I wouldn't find a string of half-truths, hear-say and other such? I'll let you guess the answer.

I raise the video metrics to show that this isn't me just being a partisan hack - his own audience isn't buying it either. That tells me more likely than not - that he's full of shit.


I'm just letting you know exactly why I no longer read your walls of text and troll me as hard as you like, I will likely not bother replying to you again. You wore me down with your never ending tidal wave of disingenuous bullshit, so if you want to take that as a win, have at it. It is not an accolade I would be proud of, but hey there you go.

The thing is, we've done this rodeo many times before, you get pissed off at me for something (that's fair) - you either ignore or try not to engage, but after a period - you'll be back.

As always, if you say something interesting, I'll comment - if you do something that I think is admirable, I'll say something etc. etc. Same rules as always apply.

[sugilite]

Has the mudslide finished from our resident kb turdsmith?
Read the first paragraph, so.......
Biden is worse than trump at dealing with immigration issues
Biden is worse than trump at securing US oil independence
Never has the choice between a turd sandwich and a douche been so prevalent in the pitiful us electoral system. Americas finest :lol:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/more-americans-opposed-joe-biden-running-president-than-trump-poll-finds

The biggest plus for Biden is that he did not splatter out satans arse after a bad butter chicken the night before, so there is that :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Has the mudslide finished from our resident kb turdsmith?
Read the first paragraph, so.......
Biden is worse than trump at dealing with immigration issues
Biden is worse than trump at securing US oil independence

I mean, a Lesser Man wouldn't have been able to say that, so it's commendable.

(ps - told you you'd be back)


Never has the choice between a turd sandwich and a douche been so prevalent in the pitiful us electoral system. Americas finest :lol:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/more-americans-opposed-joe-biden-running-president-than-trump-poll-finds

That's one perspective. Another is that the Media has a Bias - one President did a pretty good job but was constantly attacked by the Media making you think he was Terrible. The other is doing a terrible job, but is being propped up by the Media so you think he's as bad as the other guy.

[pritch]

Republicans "think of the children" rhetoric whilst passing laws that force 10 years olds to either carry rape babies to term or travel out of state to abort. What a bunch of scumbags.
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This was quite interesting in the way it has unfolded. Biden used the case as an example of how the Supreme Court decision could affect people in the real world. Gym Jordan and others claimed Biden was lying. The fuckwits on FOX labelled it a hoax. Then a suspect was arrested. Ooops!

Jordan deleted his Tweet. Without missing a beat FOX switched to reporting that the suspect was an illegl immigrant and should be deported.


"Think of the children"? A few posts back there was a clip of Herschel Walker who must have suffered too many blows to the head during his sports career. He was fond of saying how black fathers should remain involved with their children and not just move on leaving the mother on her own. Then it was revealed that he himself has multiple children that he doesn't care for.

His son Christian(?) appears in various rants on social media including one on absentee fathers. Apparently he was unaware of his siblings at that stage. He is a thoroughly unlikeable little twat and exceedingly effeminate with it. He's not gay though. Apparently he admits he is attracted to blokes, but he's not gay. He seems about as smart as his dad.

Walker senior would make a pefect Republican senator. He would vote however he was told to vote, no questions asked. He probably wouldn't even need to be bribed.

[husaberg]

Has the mudslide finished from our resident kb turdsmith?


Its taken a while but you got there where the rest of most people are on KB.

[husaberg]

This was quite interesting in the way it has unfolded. Biden used the case as an example of how the Supreme Court decision could affect people in the real world. Gym Jordan and others claimed Biden was lying. The fuckwits on FOX labelled it a hoax. Then a suspect was arrested. Ooops!

Jordan deleted his Tweet. Without missing a beat FOX switched to reporting that the suspect was an illegl immigrant and should be deported.
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[TheDemonLord]

IMG 1

Shall I bring up Biden's recent 'Honor the Holocaust' speech, in Israel, at their Holocaust memorial?

Remember, I give Biden a shitload of freepasses, at this rate - far more than I ever gave Trump.

or when Biden was talking about Putin and various people, including the Whitehouse had to walk back what he said:


foreign policy experts sought to determine what Biden said, what it meant— and, if he didn’t mean it, why he said it.’’

Yet, we never see you posting memes of Biden committing the same sin you accuse Trump and his followers of committing. Funny that.


IMG 3

So, when Trump criticises people on their appearance, that's hateful, bigoted, Sexist, Misogynist etc. etc.

Yet, when the Democrats do it....


IMG 4

Interesting points by the Penguin, but unfortunately that's quite a few Stones and oh-so-many Glass Houses:

First point - before that Hillary called them 'The Basket of Deplorables' - it doesn't excuse either behaviour - but it shows the Left does it as much as the Right.

Racist and Anti-Semitic? The Democrats should be real careful of accusing others of Anti-Semitism whilst they have the likes of Ilahn Omar and their rhetoric on Palestine/Israel. As for Racist - 3 words: Critical RACE Theory.

Punching people you don't agree with in the face? Oh, you mean like Punch a Nazi? (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=punch+a+nazi) Sorry - The Left set the standard of behavior. (Bonus points here to remind everyone that the so-called Nazi that this meme is referring to - Richard Spencer, Voted for Joe Biden)

Spray Painting Swastikas? On the preponderance of Evidence, the Swastika was almost certainly painted by a Left Wing activist.... Not like we don't have a litany of high-profile hate crimes that turned out to be Hoaxes

Heil Trump? Oh Dear, it was done by a Left Wing Activist, see above. (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2017/05/03/why-heil-trump-spray-painted-church/101240824/)

TL;DR - to both you and whoever wrote the comic - what you are getting is the equal and opposite reaction to the last 4 years of your bullshit. Hope you are enjoying record inflation and high Fuel prices.

[husaberg]

This was quite interesting in the way it has unfolded. Biden used the case as an example of how the Supreme Court decision could affect people in the real world. Gym Jordan and others claimed Biden was lying. The fuckwits on FOX labelled it a hoax. Then a suspect was arrested. Ooops!

Jordan deleted his Tweet. Without missing a beat FOX switched to reporting that the suspect was an illegl immigrant and should be deported.
.

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[TheDemonLord]

So, How's everyone feeling about Heir Biden?

https://spectatorau.imgix.net/content/uploads/2022/09/biden4.jpg

[pritch]

Funny how the RWNJs are saying the backdrop to Biden's speech was "the colour of Satan". OK, they'd have spelled it color but...
It's almost is if they forgot what colour their idiot MAGA hats were.

[Berries]

So, How's everyone feeling about Heir Biden?
Good for forum baiting and entertainment. Impact on my life and genuine interest? Nil. Exactly the same as Trump.

I only started the thread as a piss take.

[TheDemonLord]

Good for forum baiting and entertainment. Impact on my life and genuine interest? Nil. Exactly the same as Trump.

I only started the thread as a piss take.

Apart from the inflation, supply shortages, petrol prices etc.

[TheDemonLord]

Funny how the RWNJs are saying the backdrop to Biden's speech was "the colour of Satan". OK, they'd have spelled it color but...
It's almost is if they forgot what colour their idiot MAGA hats were.

I've not seen anyone mention Satan - plenty of people making the Austrian connection- they were quite fond of their Red and Black. Several also pulling out the Beijing Biden meme, and plenty of Palpatine jokes.

[Berries]

Apart from the inflation, supply shortages, petrol prices etc.
Nah, that's all Nationals fault.

[husaberg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3vtWUAU8AAOl_O.jpg

[R650R]

Biden’s demise is quite sad. Hell the CIA even installed more credible leaders in banana republics that what poor Americans are left with. And remember the hysteria of ill educated trump in charge of the go codes.....

Well here’s a vid that’s gotta give both sides a laugh if you have any
https://youtu.be/EmM-owvWAdcsemblance of a sense of humour...

[sugilite]

Well Biden being a doddery old fool has not stopped him and the dems passing a load of stuff and getting shit done.
2022
Inflation reduction act passed, bringing lower drug prices, beefing up irs powers to chase corporate tax cheats, beef up medic aid and much more.

In 2021, there is quite and exhaustive list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_117th_United_States_Congress

To be fair to Trump, he had a list of firsts too, first since 1932 to lose the house, the senate, then the presidency - very impressive :yes:

[TheDemonLord]

Well Biden being a doddery old fool has not stopped him and the dems passing a load of stuff and getting shit done.

Oh, I agree he's done plenty of things... Just nothing that anyone wants...



Inflation reduction act passed, bringing lower drug prices, beefing up irs powers to chase corporate tax cheats, beef up medic aid and much more.

Now, call me a stickler and a pedant - but I'm looking at what you've written and I can't see anything that will actually reduce inflation. If anything, I see at least 2 things that are more likely to increase inflation due to Government Spending.

Also - I know your view on Corporate America and their 'relationship' with the US Government.

Do you really think that those IRS agents are going to be going after Corporate Tax Cheats? Really? That's assuming they don't accidentally shoot themselves first (no, seriously - go look up their Firearm Training - I cringed hard)


In 2021, there is quite and exhaustive list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_117th_United_States_Congress


And what measurable good has any of them done?

[sugilite]

Mate, you must of had the only busa in the World with a "baby on board" sign attached, because all I'm hearing is wahhhhh wahhhh wahhhh :laugh:

[husaberg]

Mate, you must of had the only busa in the World with a "baby on board" sign attached, because all I'm hearing is wahhhhh wahhhh wahhhh :laugh:

That would be a "food baby" on board.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/53/69/c453690266972a5ef265ae9ede0f4ab7.jpg





To be fair to Trump, he had a list of firsts too, first since 1932 to lose the house, the senate, then the presidency - very impressive :yes:

Didn't he set a record for impeachments as well
Also prbably first person to lose the popular vote twice as well nope that was Adams as well.
okay he can draw alocice in he the only former president to be impeached twice and lose the popular vote twice whist wearing a nappy
At least he clearly wins for most records flushed down a toliet.

[TheDemonLord]

Mate, you must of had the only busa in the World with a "baby on board" sign attached, because all I'm hearing is wahhhhh wahhhh wahhhh :laugh:

It was actually a baby Car Seat, but nevermind.

My contention has never been that Biden hasn't done things, my issue is that everything he's done has made things worse.

[sugilite]

He has done a really good job with the Ukraine side of things, training soldiers, supplying the right arms etc, etc. An excellent job in fact. :yes:

[TheDemonLord]

He has done a really good job with the Ukraine side of things, training soldiers, supplying the right arms etc, etc. An excellent job in fact. :yes:

Not as good as the job he did for the Taliban...

But jokes aside, I can't give him props for a situation that he had a hand in creating.

His undoing of Trumps domestic energy policy (making the US a net importer of Fuel), and his failures in Geopolitics emboldened Putin.

Plus - the US Government is always prepared to sell weapons to the 'right' people...

[pritch]

Doncha just love American political attack ads? This one relates to the Pennsylvania Senate election. Dr Oz doesn't even live in Pennsylvania, he lives in Virginia and he votes in the Turkish elections, but he's running in Pennsylvania. His opponent has been running rings around him on social media though, then there's the Simpsons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fne9P6rfpq0

[pete376403]

Bidens response to florida hurricane damage, compared to de santis' WRT to hurricane sandy. And of course trump just being trump

[mashman]

Tulsi Gabbard says she is leaving the Democratic Party (https://us.yahoo.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-leaving-democratic-party-woke-warmongers-video-134355523.html) ... and says:

"I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that's under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers,” Gabbard said, “who are driven by cowardly wokeness who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism, who actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms that are enshrined in our Constitution, who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality, who demonize the police but protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans who believe in open borders, who weaponize the national security state to go after their political opponents and above all, who are dragging us ever closer to nuclear war." ... and more.

But it's all Trumps fault innit.........

[TheDemonLord]

Tulsi Gabbard says she is leaving the Democratic Party (https://us.yahoo.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-leaving-democratic-party-woke-warmongers-video-134355523.html) ... and says:

"I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that's under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers,” Gabbard said, “who are driven by cowardly wokeness who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism, who actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms that are enshrined in our Constitution, who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality, who demonize the police but protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans who believe in open borders, who weaponize the national security state to go after their political opponents and above all, who are dragging us ever closer to nuclear war." ... and more.

But it's all Trumps fault innit.........

My approval of Tulsi gets vindicated more and more day by day.

And although I'm on the Trump/Desantis Train, Tulsi wouldn't be a bad option.

There's much more Zeal in a Convert...

[sugilite]

It would be very interesting to get her take on the current state of the maga party (rip Republican party).
You might find her opinion of it to be quite different to your own tdl.

[F5 Dave]

Stop arguing with him. Just put him on ignore.
TDL is/cannot be as stupid as he makes out he is. He is just trolling as mum won't let him have real people conversations.

Anyway [unsubscribe] .

[husaberg]

.
he is/cannot be as stupid as he makes out he is. He is just trolling as mum won't let him have real people conversations.

Anyway [unsubscribe] .

i think you underestimate him.....he's clearly well stupid enough.....

Trump clearly fitted as a right wing racist sexist buffoons wet dream.
blaming all the woes on feminists, lefties, and Muslims and anti gun lobby providing a glimmer of hope for as a small willed unsuccessful fat sad old man.

[TheDemonLord]

It would be very interesting to get her take on the current state of the maga party (rip Republican party).
You might find her opinion of it to be quite different to your own tdl.

Possibly - I don't know her view on the Republican party at the moment - however her views on the Democratic party... Woah, I think I'm in Love! She absolutely nails the issues with current Left-Wing Politics.

And for all the ills of the Republican (of which I'm sure there are many), they aren't those issues.

[TheDemonLord]

Stop arguing with him. Just put him on ignore.
TDL is/cannot be as stupid as he makes out he is. He is just trolling as mum won't let him have real people conversations.

Anyway [unsubscribe] .

If I'm not as stupid as you think I make myself out to be, then why have me on Ignore?

Afraid that every so often I might hit upon an uncomfortable Truth?

[TheDemonLord]

i think you underestimate him.....

So, if he's saying I must be smarter than I come across, and you are saying that he's underestimating me - then that's quite the compliment :D


Trump clearly fitted as a right wing racist sexist buffoons wet dream.

Which one is Racist?

The party that doesn't want to talk about Race or the Party that insists that everyone views everything through a racial lens?


blaming all the woes on feminists, lefties, and Muslims and anti gun lobby providing a glimmer of hope for as a small willed unsuccessful fat sad old man.

I mean, they have been responsible for a good number of societal problems that didn't exist before, so....

[sugilite]

Well tdl, There is only maga now, real republicans, well ones with a spines are consigned to the rino heap. Dare to disagree with herr trump - wammo instant rino status. Pathetic.
I see you are again wheeling out your fantasy that your walls of text are keeping us awake in the ankst that you may be correct in some way. Im fairly sure i was the last one to actually read them all and i stopped that waste of time quite a few months ago. In reality, your walls of text are simply an ode to yourself. A grandiose form of mental masterbation if you will. :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Well tdl, There is only maga now, real republicans, well ones with a spines are consigned to the rino heap. Dare to disagree with herr trump - wammo instant rino status. Pathetic.

You've said this before - However - what IS Maga? What IS a RINO?

If I was to say what is MAGA - I'd say the following:

Anti-Woke (so Anti-Marxist) - Pretty standard Republican policy since the early 1900s
American exceptionalism - Again, pretty standard.
Small Government, Small Taxes, Strong Economy - Again....
States Rights - Same.
Energy Independence - Same.
Anti-Illegal Immigration - Same.
Pro Law and Order - Same.
Upholding the Constitution (esp 1A and 2A) - Same.
Pro-Life - Same.
Anti-Foreign Intervention - This is perhaps the only one you could say is out-of-place.

I'm not seeing anything there that would look out of place in a Republican party of 30 years ago or even 50 years ago - with the exception of the last one, however I would counter that Trump's style of Foreign Policy (Fuck around and find out) compared to the failings of Obama and the catastrophe of Biden show that whilst it may not be in-line with more conventional Republicanism, it is a branch from the same tree.

Whereas many of the people who are ousted as RINOs are in favor of Big Government spending, Foreign intervention, Globalist causes etc. which (again if we use the Paradigm of the 90s when the term became popular) is well-in line with what people consider to be RINO values.


I see you are again wheeling out your fantasy that your walls of text are keeping us awake in the ankst that you may be correct in some way.

The Fantasy is when you actually admit it ;)

There are some disagreements where I've been able to definitively prove, regardless of whether certain people admit it, that there is a valid basis for the concerns being raised. Like when I provided Pritch with all the links that show CRT inspired curricula being taught to primary school children, using CRT definitions of Race and Racism.


Im fairly sure i was the last one to actually read them all and i stopped that waste of time quite a few months ago.

And yet here you are, again, reading and replying.


In reality, your walls of text are simply an ode to yourself. A grandiose form of mental masterbation if you will. :laugh:

I mean, there's at least 30% truth in that - however there are other times when a combination of Time and subsequent information/evidence have proven to be extremely vindicating.

[sugilite]

I just reply to your short posts sport, your wall efforts are way too sticky :sick:
And I'm only replying of late because I'm bored shitless isolating because of covid dammit.

And as for your fantasy that republicans still exist in the wild - You poor deluded man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmaGiDdKUA

[TheDemonLord]

I just reply to your short posts sport, your wall efforts are way too sticky :sick:
And I'm only replying of late because I'm bored shitless isolating because of covid dammit.

Yet, you're still here.


And as for your fantasy that republicans still exist in the wild - You poor deluded man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmaGiDdKUA

Yeah... The problem is I can think of at least 2 people who were murdered specifically because of their Republican views. Spurred on by Democrat Rhetoric.

Cayler Ellingson
and
Aaron Danielson

That is without bringing up all the various murders that have been done by Left-Wing Activists in recent times - like Waukesha or the CHAZ/CHOP or the BLM Riots or Micah Johnson.

Not to mention the current Marxist infiltration of the Democrats - Marxism being inherently revolutionary.

And just before you start scoffing at how far the Republicans have fallen:

https://inthesetimes.com/article/the-gop-is-trying-to-kill-you
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/09/grayson-gop-wants-you-to-die-027726

Goose/Gander and for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The more the Democrats push these various Marxist ideas (CRT, Gender Theory, Intersectionality etc.) and the more they allow their side to commit acts of Murder, whilst decrying the 'far right', the more you will see a pushback.

Everything Magic The Gathering is saying has an element of truth to it.

[sugilite]

Just Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights, I'm surprised you are not cheering them on, you don't seem to mind countless dead school kids eh? Go the gun!

It's socialism - vote No!
Wait, give us some of that cash please? :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q5oBve0d8U

[TheDemonLord]

Just Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights, I'm surprised you are not cheering them on, you don't seem to mind countless dead school kids eh? Go the gun!

So why are you worried about what Magic The Gathering is saying?

Or is it only bad when Right Wingers do it?

[sugilite]

Lampooning is not worrying.
Your desperate defense of everything right leaning whilst finding deep marxist roots in everything on the left is comical. Both parties are as SHIT as each other, just in different ways.

[TheDemonLord]

Lampooning is not worrying.

But it IS hypocritical when you castigate one side for saying something, which is in response to the other side actually doing it.

If you want to be horrified at MTG at what she says, that's fine - I just expect even greater horror at the Democrats for what they have done.

Otherwise - as I said, it's only ever bad when the Right Wing does it, right?


Your desperate defense of everything right leaning whilst finding deep marxist roots in everything on the left is comical.

I know, right? It's so desperate when the people who came up with the various philosophical ideas describe themselves as Marxists and say that their theory is based on Marxist theories and they cite Marxist scholars in their works and they use Marxist iconography and imagery.

So Desperate.

[sugilite]

Oh, you want hypocritical, you are the grand master- trumps rallies during the pandemic when at it's most lethal to get votes by any means killed many - and that is his own side. Give me a break, the right deal death like it is nothing - for a vote, for a buck (Trump forcing meat workers to work closely together before vaccines were a thing.) Wonder how much he got paid for that favour eh? You may conveniently forget - not I.
No doubt you will bring up 1 meager dem celebration parade (still dumb of them) or some such thing as a desperate defense, but Trump did rally, after rally, after rally, after rally. As you well know. How many did he kill? - Fucking plenty.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh, you want hypocritical, you are the grand master- trumps rallies during the pandemic when at it's most lethal to get votes by any means killed many - and that is his own side. Give me a break, the right deal death like it is nothing - for a vote, for a buck (Trump forcing meat workers to work closely together before vaccines were a thing.) Wonder how much he got paid for that favour eh? You may conveniently forget - not I.
No doubt you will bring up 1 meager dem celebration parade (still dumb of them) or some such thing as a desperate defense, but Trump did rally, after rally, after rally, after rally. As you well know. How many did he kill? - Fucking plenty.

Except you aren't appealing to the Morality of the Right, therefore no Hypocrisy.

The Right Morality in this case is akin to: "You are responsible for making your own decisions and you will reap the rewards or the whirlwind of your actions".

It is entirely consistent with an individualist view of morality to hold events that are 'free' to attend (that is there is no compulsion to attend, not talking about money) even if there is a risk of injury or death are acceptable.

And just before you counter, consider this, we are on a Motorcycle Forum - we both know that every year that the TT runs, on average, a Rider dies. Philosophically, that is no different than attending a Trump rally during Covid.

No one is forcing them to go.
Everyone believes either the risks are acceptable or 'it won't happen to me'.
That their participation could lead to the deaths of others.

You might say that the 265 riders is a drop compared to the total number of US Covid Deaths - and I'd reply it's probably in the same ballpark compared to how many enter the race vs the US Population.

The Hypocrisy of which I speak of is that I'm using your own morality against you - you say it's bad when MTG says something hyperbolic and incendiary, the implication (whether it's yours specifically or just the wider left-wing narrative) that Words will turn to Violence.

Okay - fair enough - that's a perfectly acceptable position to hold....




So long as it's applied equally.

And so when I see Democrats saying equally hyperbolic and incendiary things and can point to actual acts of political Murder, I'm going to appeal to your morality and say that by your own standards, what the Democrats are currently doing is worse.

When you then struggle to condemn it - I'm going to point out that it only appears to be an issue with the Right does it. It's one rule for the Left and a different for the Right.

The Bonus point here is remember when I posted that clip of Douglas Murray talking about the likes of MTG? A clip which IIRC you didn't entirely disagree with his assessments - one of his key points was that if you ignore the concerns of the right wing and continue to apply this double standard, the right will get louder and more strident in their views and that is what creates people like Magic the Gathering.

[sugilite]

And the choice they made to come was 100 percent contaminated by trumps determined efforts down playing the dangers of the virus.
For an IT guy, your long winded write ups are very inefficient. See how a one sentence reply with just a modicum of thought put into it crushed your avalanche of misdirection?

Now I have a request of you.
Unfortunately for your stanza of favourite talking points, covid isolation has given me time to select a single one to delve deeper into. I have selected CRT. I must say at this point, it is looking grim for the Conservative point of view. Let me save you the time and we shall assume all my research sources thus far are riddled with deep marxist roots. So, please provide a link that eloquently sums up the Conservative position on crt in 10 (equivalent) pages or less. I have certainly found such efficient summarisations from the opposing team, it should not be hard for a man of your clear experience in the subject to provide a link to the same from a Conservative view point. Thank you :sunny:

[TheDemonLord]

And the choice they made to come was 100 percent contaminated by trumps determined efforts down playing the dangers of the virus.

And? No one is obligated to believe anything anyone else has to say.


For an IT guy, your long winded write ups are very inefficient. See how a one sentence reply with just a modicum of thought put into it crushed your avalanche of misdirection?

See above ;)


Now I have a request of you.
Unfortunately for your stanza of favourite talking points, covid isolation has given me time to select a single one to delve deeper into. I have selected CRT. I must say at this point, it is looking grim for the Conservative point of view. Let me save you the time and we shall assume all my research sources thus far are riddled with deep marxist roots. So, please provide a link that eloquently sums up the Conservative position on crt in 10 (equivalent) pages or less. I have certainly found such efficient summarisations from the opposing team, it should not be hard for a man of your clear experience in the subject to provide a link to the same from a Conservative view point. Thank you :sunny:

I'm going to presage this with "I told you that you are still here ;) "

Okay - a good place to start would be the work of James Lindsay, this outlines the What of CRT is and in the last few paragraphs is implicitly making the conservative argument against it:

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-critical-race-theory/

One of my preferred sources, that has a number of excellent Video discussions on the Origins of CRT - but since you asked for written works:

https://www.lotuseaters.com/godspeed-to-the-parents-fighting-crt-25-07-21

An Academic Critique of CRT, before it became verbotten to criticise:

https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1238&context=cjlpp

If you want a longer read:

https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2022/2022_TheCriticalClassroom_FINAL_WEB.pdf

And now for my personal perspective:

It asserts that the primary way we should view the world is through the lens of Race. I should not see someone as a Fellow Human, but I should see them as Black, White, Maori and treat them in accordance with their Race. The only difference between them and the KKK is that the Race Crits think I should positively discriminate based on Race, whereas the KKK think I should negatively discriminate based on race.

The conservative position is that any form of Discrimination based on race is Bad. Instead we should be selecting on Merit.

If that means that everyone in a Maths degree is Asian, then the conservative does not care as long as everyone who got there did so on Merit, with fair selection criteria (e.g. everyone took the same test and had to achieve the same minimum score to attend).

[sugilite]

Your flippancy and arrogance towards death caused by trump is duly noted as is your inability to not offer just the one single source of info requested.
ill read the first written recommendation, if it is short, then the 2nd one too.

Just to add one point. You seem to seek respect for your belief that the right get the rough end of the stick media wise etc... Your constant gloating erodes ones will to absorb any meaningful points your writing's may contain.

When trump lost in 2020, i dont really recall many here if in fact any getting in your face and gloating about it. A classy bunch here at kb, the great unwashed biker bunch that we are in all.
food for thought.

[TheDemonLord]

Your flippancy and arrogance towards death caused by trump is duly noted

Wrong - it's flippancy and arrogance against ALL Self-caused Deaths. People make choices and sometimes those choices result in Death. I do not shed a tear for the Drunk Driver who wraps themselves around a pole in the same manner that I'm not shedding a tear here.

Ultimately, we are responsible for our own actions and our own well-being, only.

Edit: In much the same way that I wouldn't expect anyone who didn't personally know me to shed a tear on my behalf if I died in a particularly stupid or avoidable manner.


as is your inability to not offer just the one single source of info requested.
ill read the first written recommendation, if it is short, then the 2nd one too.

Okay - my bad on that one - I read 10 pages as 10 Internet pages, e.g. less than 10 links - so I thought 4 was being reasonable. In which case - yes, definitely the first.


Just to add one point. You seem to seek respect for your belief that the right get the rough end of the stick media wise etc... Your constant gloating erodes ones will to absorb any meaningful points your writing's may contain.

When trump lost in 2020, i dont really recall many here if in fact any getting in your face and gloating about it. A classy bunch here at kb, the great unwashed biker bunch that we are in all.
food for thought.

Funny you say that - because from my point of view, the gloating and attempts to rub my face in it haven't stopped since 2016.

Food for thought indeed.

[sugilite]

The much beloved and trusted president says, the virus is a hoax, come to my rally - people believe him, attend the rally, contract the virus and die. TDL respknse is Dumbarses - but somehow trump was an amazing president?

And I do not recall anyone here openly gloating such as you do. Such as "We were right and you were wrong, Trump lost nah, nah nah naaah" kind of gloating. Nearly all your wounds are self inflicted, such as your "people should not be dumb enough to believe the presidents words" as above. How do you not expect to get ridiculed with logic like that? I can say I ppersonally arre not gloating, I'm just open warfare on your never ending line that trump was somehow a great president combined with logic just thus displayed.

I'll read that link now.

[TheDemonLord]

The much beloved and trusted president says, the virus is a hoax, come to my rally - people believe him, attend the rally, contract the virus and die. TDL respknse is Dumbarses

Okay - which Politician would you trust with your personal safety?

Does that explain my position better?


but somehow trump was an amazing president?

Yes.

Good Economy, Good Energy Policy, The Pax Trumpanica, push back against Wokeness etc.


And I do not recall anyone here openly gloating such as you do. Such as "We were right and you were wrong, Trump lost nah, nah nah naaah" kind of gloating. Nearly all your wounds are self inflicted, such as your "people should not be dumb enough to believe the presidents words" as above. How do you not expect to get ridiculed with logic like that? I can say I ppersonally arre not gloating, I'm just open warfare on your never ending line that trump was somehow a great president combined with logic just thus displayed.

On this point, we shall have to agree to disagree - I see every self-righteous expression of Indignation of "Look what Trump has done now", which invariably is based on a combination of half-truths and in some cases outright lies as openly gloating.

[sugilite]

Wow, that is a very leftest snowflake like position to take!

And just in case you think my crt report will be biased from a leftie point of view, think again, i pretty much 100 percent agree with the below video... Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schuzjknjYE

[TheDemonLord]

Wow, that is a very leftest snowflake like position to take!

Except for the whole calls for cancellation.

Do you not believe there is an element of smugness with some of the posts by certain posters? Even if you agree with what is being said.


And just in case you think my crt report will be biased from a leftie point of view, think again, i pretty much 100 percent agree with the below video... Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schuzjknjYE

Bill is still at the very start of a journey that some of us found ourselves on nearly a decade ago.

He's mocking much of the Absurd - however, he's only touching on the surface level issues.

[R650R]

After being ripped off by the Russians on the Griner deal, Biden has decided to read “Art of the Deal”. He was heard to mumble “ looks like this fella knows a thing or two” while reading dust jacket in bookstore.

For those that missed it American got an alphabet basketball player who hates her own national anthem while the Russians got given during wartime an international arms dealer known a state the merchant of death....

Other commentators remarked it’s the first time a player trade in the WNBA has made news lol

[husaberg]

After being ripped off by the Russians on the Griner deal.

Is that those same Russians that you claimed that using your expert status would never invade Ukraine?




Russia won’t invade anyway. There troops on border are like patched gang members sitting in a car in street while the prospects go do dirty work and collect debts.
There has been substantial internal skirmishes going on for a long time by rebel groups, many think Ukraine really is still pretty much Russia absent post Cold War changes.

Its been almost a year now and this post has not dated well now has it.......

[R650R]

Nah there’s no reason at all why you’d want to build a border wall.....


https://youtu.be/_K97vrl6urY

[husaberg]

Nah there’s no reason at all why you’d want to build a border wall.....


https://youtu.be/_K97vrl6urY

Cool theory now tell me again how Mexican drug lord El Chapo escaped from his multiwalled walled 24 hour surveillance max security prison cell.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3RHV5G1Fc

[R650R]

How dare they think of refusing to let immigrants across their border.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300938924/wagner-soldiers-will-pose-as-illegal-migrants-to-enter-eu-countries

Come on Poland there’s no need for border walls in modern era or deny the rights of others to come into your country, if it’s good enough for America….

[pete376403]

How dare they think of refusing to let immigrants across their border.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300938924/wagner-soldiers-will-pose-as-illegal-migrants-to-enter-eu-countries

Come on Poland there’s no need for border walls in modern era or deny the rights of others to come into your country, if it’s good enough for America….

How many are you welcoming on to your own property?

[husaberg]

How dare they think of refusing to let immigrants across their border.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300938924/wagner-soldiers-will-pose-as-illegal-migrants-to-enter-eu-countries

Come on Poland there’s no need for border walls in modern era or deny the rights of others to come into your country, if it’s good enough for America….

As a part-time unpaid Russian propagandist, i feel you should tell the Russian side .
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/29/poland-raises-alarm-as-wagner-forces-move-closer-to-border
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/wagner-troops-on-polish-border-towards-attack-position-claims-polish-premier/2957492

A group of about 100 soldiers from the Wagner Group of Russian mercenaries has moved towards the Belarusian city of Grodno, near the Polish border, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Saturday.

“This is certainly a step towards a further hybrid attack on Polish territory,” Morawiecki said in Gliwice, southwestern Poland. “Now the situation is even more dangerous.”
The Wagner troops – who have been in Poland since a short-lived revolt last month against Russia – could disguise themselves as Belarusian border guards and help illegal immigrants get into Poland or else impersonate immigrants illegally crossing the border, the premier added.
The Polish government and European Commission have both accused Minsk of orchestrating the passage of thousands of migrants from the Middle East and Africa through the Belarusian border with Poland since 2021 as a way of destabilizing the Polish state and deepening tensions within Poland and between Warsaw and Brussels.
note they did the same in Ukraine

You remember Ukraine? that country you claimed russia would not invade.


Russia won’t invade anyway. There troops on border are like patched gang members sitting in a car in street while the prospects go do dirty work and collect debts.
, ,

[R650R]

You’d be forgiven for thinking this was a Babylon bee satire item….

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna132711

“Biden is asking for Mexican help to stop the record surge of migrants. Here's what Mexico wants in return.
Mexico brings major leverage to negotiations, as Biden needs Mexican help to fix a problem that is driving down his poll numbers, said three U.S. officials.”

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone had set about building a decent border wall…

[sugilite]

The border wall is a joke., tunnels, ladders and sub hundy reciprocating saws soon take care of the wall.

Having said that, the biden administration has been completely woeful having basically ignored the problem. Though just of late, clearly the gop don't want it fixed right now as they have just rejected Bidens offer of 100's more border guards, they say the money should go to admin ffs, no doubt where they can siphon it off.
They should triple the border guards and use rubber bullets, tear gas etc and just watch those illegals numbers plummet. Pretty easy solve in my book.

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[husaberg]

The border wall is a joke., tunnels, ladders and sub hundy reciprocating saws soon take care of the wall.

Having said that, the biden administration has been completely woeful having basically ignored the problem. Though just of late, clearly the gop don't want it fixed right now as they have just rejected Bidens offer of 100's more border guards, they say the money should go to admin ffs, no doubt where they can siphon it off.
They should triple the border guards and use rubber bullets, tear gas etc and just watch those illegals numbers plummet. Pretty easy solve in my book.

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Its odd as i seem to recall trump said building a wall and getting Mexico to pay for it would work?

[F5 Dave]

Let's just agree, and I'm sure we do, Biden is a silly old cunt.
Butt fuk, he's a lot better than that moronic fat turd that preceded him.

America really is poked.

[R650R]

The border wall is a joke., tunnels, ladders and sub hundy reciprocating saws soon take care of the wall.

Having said that, the biden administration has been completely woeful having basically ignored the problem. Though just of late, clearly the gop don't want it fixed right now as they have just rejected Bidens offer of 100's more border guards, they say the money should go to admin ffs, no doubt where they can siphon it off.
They should triple the border guards and use rubber bullets, tear gas etc and just watch those illegals numbers plummet. Pretty easy solve in my book.

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In breaking news Biden is on the phone with former NZ PM Jacinda Ardern asking for tips on how to repel people from a country.
“This women is amazing, even the people legitimately living there are trying to leave the country.”
We’re going to copy the resource management act, cause rampant inflation that will make the minimum wage unliveable even after raising it. They’ll take one look at all that and rush back to Mexico.

[Grumph]

Let's just agree, and I'm sure we do, Biden is a silly old cunt.
Butt fuk, he's a lot better than that moronic fat turd that preceded him.

America really is poked.

The problem with immigration for the US is that the economy is based on immigrant workers. If manufacturing comes back to the US it will be manned by immigrants. The whole tourism industry relies on immigrant workers to keep it going.

The GOP knows this as well as anyone but play on their base's fear of immigrants. Trump after all is only a 2nd generation immigrant - married to a woman who appears to be an illegal immigrant.

[husaberg]

Let's just agree, and I'm sure we do, Biden is a silly old cunt.
Butt fuk, he's a lot better than that moronic fat turd that preceded him.

America really is poked.

Yip, if biden is the better option its clear he is, (compared to Trump) the choices are not that great.

Biddens at worse 20 years past his prime that never should have risen to president, Now a silly old Grandpa prone to telling long stories
Trump is a psychopath narcissist.
America will get the leader they deserve (Which will by a happy coincidence be, who the Kochs want)

[R650R]

Interesting times, wonder what the motives are around this move. There has been a shortage and rationing of helium for some time. It’s vital in certain specialist welding and medical use.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRfy6iC9KPE&pp=ygULTkJDIGhlbGl1bSA%3D

[sugilite]

Time to blow the cobwebs off this thread, it just goes to show just how boring Biden is - until now. He has given his son an extremely comprehensive pardon despite publicly saying many times he would not!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/01/joe-biden-pardons-hunter

So what changed? My best guess is two major things changed.
1. The dems swept him out the door after his train crash trump interview. That will have hurt, but quite frankly, they really needed to do it. The problem for the dems, is Harris was not the right candidate and lost - as I predicted she would if the dems went for her over Newsom - or newscum as trump likes to pronounce it.
2. Biden saw trump get off scott free for all his clear and obvious crimes largely thanks to a complicit supreme court and his own limp dicked AG Garland allowing things to crawl along at a snails pace. So it will have smarted his son got done over so publicly.
The dems should not be surprised biden is pissed, his wifes blood red gop dress on election night should of given them a heads up.

While I do not agree with the ethics of it, because even though hunter did get roasted massively in the media and in the courts for what appears to be low level stuff, that otherwise would of gone unreported if your average joe went down for, but at the end of the day he did commit crimes. However, I also get that father biden has the power to do this, and his own party knifed him in the back bigly. So fuckem says biden. I wonder if joe is done yet?
It sure would be interesting if he did declare trump a danger to democracy, then released a whole lot of secret documents with dirt on trump showing he really is such and then have seal team 6 take care of trump permanently.
Wouldn't that have the supreme court reviewing their decision on presidential immunity, making them realize just how shitty a decision that was.

Interesting times indeed :sherlock:

[husaberg]

Time to blow the cobwebs off this thread, it just goes to show just how boring Biden is - until now. He has given his son an extremely comprehensive pardon despite publicly saying many times he would not!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/01/joe-biden-pardons-hunter

So what changed? My best guess is two major things changed.
1. The dems swept him out the door after his train crash trump interview. That will have hurt, but quite frankly, they really needed to do it. The problem for the dems, is Harris was not the right candidate and lost - as I predicted she would if the dems went for her over Newsom - or newscum as trump likes to pronounce it.
2. Biden saw trump get off scott free for all his clear and obvious crimes largely thanks to a complicit supreme court and his own limp dicked AG Garland allowing things to crawl along at a snails pace. So it will have smarted his son got done over so publicly.
The dems should not be surprised biden is pissed, his wifes blood red gop dress on election night should of given them a heads up.

While I do not agree with the ethics of it, because even though hunter did get roasted massively in the media and in the courts for what appears to be low level stuff, that otherwise would of gone unreported if your average joe went down for, but at the end of the day he did commit crimes. However, I also get that father biden has the power to do this, and his own party knifed him in the back bigly. So fuckem says biden. I wonder if joe is done yet?
It sure would be interesting if he did declare trump a danger to democracy, then released a whole lot of secret documents with dirt on trump showing he really is such and then have seal team 6 take care of trump permanently.
Wouldn't that have the supreme court reviewing their decision on presidential immunity, making them realize just how shitty a decision that was.

Interesting times indeed :sherlock:
That's pretty disappointing..... no doubt we will haer about that everytime now a republican breaks the law. but but ....bidden
You are right though he is pretty bland .

[TheDemonLord]

Time to blow the cobwebs off this thread, it just goes to show just how boring Biden is - until now. He has given his son an extremely comprehensive pardon despite publicly saying many times he would not!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/01/joe-biden-pardons-hunter

So what changed? My best guess is two major things changed.
1. The dems swept him out the door after his train crash trump interview. That will have hurt, but quite frankly, they really needed to do it. The problem for the dems, is Harris was not the right candidate and lost - as I predicted she would if the dems went for her over Newsom - or newscum as trump likes to pronounce it.
2. Biden saw trump get off scott free for all his clear and obvious crimes largely thanks to a complicit supreme court and his own limp dicked AG Garland allowing things to crawl along at a snails pace. So it will have smarted his son got done over so publicly.
The dems should not be surprised biden is pissed, his wifes blood red gop dress on election night should of given them a heads up.

While I do not agree with the ethics of it, because even though hunter did get roasted massively in the media and in the courts for what appears to be low level stuff, that otherwise would of gone unreported if your average joe went down for, but at the end of the day he did commit crimes. However, I also get that father biden has the power to do this, and his own party knifed him in the back bigly. So fuckem says biden. I wonder if joe is done yet?
It sure would be interesting if he did declare trump a danger to democracy, then released a whole lot of secret documents with dirt on trump showing he really is such and then have seal team 6 take care of trump permanently.
Wouldn't that have the supreme court reviewing their decision on presidential immunity, making them realize just how shitty a decision that was.

Interesting times indeed :sherlock:

All I am going to say is this - after this Pardon, I don't want to hear a whisper from the Dems if and when Trump decides to issue a number of Pardons.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was disappointed, but I view it as Biden going "You know what, fuck it - if its good enough for those cunts it's good enough for me."

And I absolutely see that point of view. I also agree that the persecution of Biden Jr was absolutely a witch hunt, mainly to try and take pressure off that orange cunt.

Whatever, Mrka is off the Christmas card list anyways.

[neels]

Given that he's on the way out the door, and the general population have clearly indicated that corruption and criminal behaviour are perfectly acceptable for a president, if he can why wouldn't he.

It's not like the republicans can claim it's unprecedented, pardoning people who didn't deserve it was already made fashionable by the previous president.

Looks very much like a two fingered salute as he leaves the building.

[Dean]

Sleepy joe lol.

[sugilite]

All I am going to say is this - after this Pardon, I don't want to hear a whisper from the Dems if and when Trump decides to issue a number of Pardons.
Ahhh, TDL's patented "two wrongs always make a right" political philosophy in action.
trump pardoned his daughters father in law, and then gave him a cushy job as ambassador of France.

On one level, it cracks me up how trump has often taken a dump on your premise before it has even left your keyboard :lol: but also scares me in showing just how dictators come into power with seemingly smart supporters sleepwalking the pathway to dictatorship through blind allegiance - sigh. :bye:

This biden giving his son a pardon has highlighted for me the differences between maga and the dems at this point in time. There is no shortage of dems that have come out and condemned joes move, they are genuinely upset by it - as they should be.
In contrast when trump does a dirty, which is tiresomely often - all you hear from maga is a whole lot of sucking and slurping noises before they reappear with orange chins giving the thumbs up to trumps latest criminal and morally reprehensible action. That speaks volumes as to which party still has a small semblance at least to some morals and an adherence to decency.

[mashman]

Given that he's on the way out the door, and the general population have clearly indicated that corruption and criminal behaviour are perfectly acceptable for a president, if he can why wouldn't he.

To set a precedent for the next election. No man is above the law :killingme.

[TheDemonLord]

Ahhh, TDL's patented "two wrongs always make a right" political philosophy in action.
trump pardoned his daughters father in law, and then gave him a cushy job as ambassador of France.

On one level, it cracks me up how trump has often taken a dump on your premise before it has even left your keyboard :lol: but also scares me in showing just how dictators come into power with seemingly smart supporters sleepwalking the pathway to dictatorship through blind allegiance - sigh. :bye:

This biden giving his son a pardon has highlighted for me the differences between maga and the dems at this point in time. There is no shortage of dems that have come out and condemned joes move, they are genuinely upset by it - as they should be.
In contrast when trump does a dirty, which is tiresomely often - all you hear from maga is a whole lot of sucking and slurping noises before they reappear with orange chins giving the thumbs up to trumps latest criminal and morally reprehensible action. That speaks volumes as to which party still has a small semblance at least to some morals and an adherence to decency.

Not at all.

See, there is a very distinct difference here.

I could go on at length about Trumps various legal wranglings - but the short version is that none of them (In my opinion) have any validity. There is much nuance here that I am skipping over (and have articulated in other threads) - but suffice to say, I find that the last decade or so there has been a continued push by partisan factions within the US Government, to target Republicans and Trump.

I know you are going to disagree on this - that is your want and right.

On the Flipside - Hunter - putting aside his other dubious dealings, made a straw purchase of a Firearm.

There is no legal chicanery required here, no ignoring valuations, no re-interpretations of statutes, no Clinton dossiers.

It, on its own, is a Felony. I will grant that *usually* it is used as part of other charges... but its still a Felony on its own.

And Biden has just set the standard of behavior.

[sugilite]

Not at all.

See, there is a very distinct difference here.

I could go on at length about Trumps various legal wranglings - but the short version is that none of them (In my opinion) have any validity.
Beside the point that Bill Barr said the documents case was extremely serious and even you admitted had trump not give that speech on jan 6th the riot would very likely not have happened - my actual point here is why the hell are you comparing trump to hunter. you should be comparing hunters crimes to kushners. I'm sure the misdirection was by accident huh? :rolleyes: And thank you for giving the perfect example of your two wrongs make a right and a sleepwalking to a dictatorship through fanboing all in one post. I could not have highlighted it better myself.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2020/12/24/trump-pardoned-his-son-in-laws-dad-heres-what-charles-kushner-did/

[pritch]

So what changed? My best guess is two major things changed.


You've missed the main reason. Trump nominated Kash Patel to be FBI Director.

The head of the FBI is appointed to a ten year term. This is supposed to help ensure the position is non political in that a ten year term means the director will serve under at least two presidents. The current director, Christopher Wray, was appointed by Trump and his term expires in 2007. Biden left him in the position.

Kash Patel is an extremist MAGA Trump sycophant who talks of prosecuting those he imagines responsible for stealing the 2020 election and a long list of others including people he thinks comprise the "deep state." People in news media are targets. He has probably also made mention of Hunter Biden but I can't be bothered wading through his insane ramblings to find a reference.

It's thought by some that Wray will not resign, he will force Trump to fire him. Trump has already fired two FBI directors so this is likely just about appearances. Funny how an innocent man like Trump feels the need to keep firing FBI directors.

https://apnews.com/article/kash-patel-fbi-trump-things-to-know-4cb7802bb3378576f3aa37df5f9770ad

[F5 Dave]

Fuk off tdl. No one said we thought Biden was the messiah. We thought he was an old git past his sell by date.

If i were Joe I'd not pardon Hunter. I'd pardon his Laptop.

[TheDemonLord]

Beside the point that Bill Barr said the documents case was extremely serious and even you admitted had trump not give that speech on jan 6th the riot would very likely not have happened

The Documents case, were it not for the completely different standards set for both Hilary Clinton *and* Joe Biden himself, you might have a point.

And Sure, the riot might not have happened.


my actual point here is why the hell are you comparing trump to hunter.

Becuase one of the reasons Biden says he issued the Pardon was because of a perception from him that Trump was weaponizing the FBI against FBI - and seeing as the view from some Republicans is very much 'now the shoe is on the other foot' after the last 8 or so years.



you should be comparing hunters crimes to kushners. I'm sure the misdirection was by accident huh? :rolleyes: And thank you for giving the perfect example of your two wrongs make a right and a sleepwalking to a dictatorship through fanboing all in one post. I could not have highlighted it better myself.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2020/12/24/trump-pardoned-his-son-in-laws-dad-heres-what-charles-kushner-did/

Okay, so I read the article - Charles Kushner did some dodgy stuff in the early 2000s, served 2 years in prison and paid a heft fine (according to the article) back in 2006.

In 2020, Trump pardons him. The man had already paid the due to society for his Crimes. Whereas Hunter will never see a day inside a Prison cell - not quite the comparison I would have made, but you do you.

As for Dictatorship - this gets bandied around alot. I just have to ask one question: How many Dictators in history actively went about shrinking the government and reducing the power of the State?

[TheDemonLord]

Fuk off tdl. No one said we thought Biden was the messiah. We thought he was an old git past his sell by date.

If i were Joe I'd not pardon Hunter. I'd pardon his Laptop.

And yet, the precedent of behavior has now been set.

It wasn't by the Republicans.

This is the point I am making, all too-often, I am met with the cries of 'But the Republicans did it first!!!' - and so on this one, I am hammering it home that I don't want to hear any wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[pritch]

If i were Joe I'd not pardon Hunter. I'd pardon his Laptop.

One thing the laptop showed for sure; with swimming pools, hookers, drugs, and guns, the boy sure knows how to party.

[sugilite]

The Documents case, were it not for the completely different standards set for both Hilary Clinton *and* Joe Biden himself, you might have a point.
The Government department in charge of retrieving documents asked trump at multiple times to return them, trump did not.
Biden contacts the national archives department and alerts them he has documents that should be returned - duhhh can you see the difference? Please stop the misdirection on near all your replies - they are after all lies which I struggle to respect at the best of times.



Becuase one of the reasons Biden says he issued the Pardon was because of a perception from him that Trump was weaponizing the FBI against FBI - and seeing as the view from some Republicans is very much 'now the shoe is on the other foot' after the last 8 or so years.
Trump claimed the fbi had a plan to assassinate him during their search pointing to a sentence in the search warrant, that gets put on every search warrant.
So spare me the pathetic faux right wing tears of outrage at bidens so called weaponization of the fbi as I once again highlight trumps constant erosion of trust in government on his way to his much desired dictatorship using every lie in the book to achieve his aim. You want to be stupid enough to believe them, be my guest. Every point you are making just points to your willful blindness of everything that is rotten on the right in the usa on it's quest to become the most corrupt political party in usa history.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-falsely-claims-biden-fbi-plan-assassinate-mar/story?id=110466084





Okay, so I read the article - Charles Kushner did some dodgy stuff in the early 2000s, served 2 years in prison and paid a heft fine (according to the article) back in 2006.

In 2020, Trump pardons him. The man had already paid the due to society for his Crimes. Whereas Hunter will never see a day inside a Prison cell - not quite the comparison I would have made, but you do you.


Why yes, I can totally see why trump rewarded this criminal that the republican prosecutor described as being the "most loathsome, disgusting crimes” he ever prosecuted as U.S. attorney" with a plush ambassadorship - makes perfect sense.

[TheDemonLord]

The Government department in charge of retrieving documents asked trump at multiple times to return them, trump did not.
Biden contacts the national archives department and alerts them he has documents that should be returned - duhhh can you see the difference? Please stop the misdirection on near all your replies - they are after all lies which I struggle to respect at the best of times.

This is not misdirection - its that there is another side to the events, which puts it in a very different light. On the Documents example - Trump said 'Hey, those boxes contain personal items, nothing for the archives' there was some Back and Forth - the FBI told Trump to put them under a Lock and wait for further instruction.... Then raided it.

There is other nuance around it - but it is not clear cut. Either way, if Biden gets to be let off because he is an old man with a failing memory and Hilary gets let off because a different reason - and Trump gets raided at gunpoint - seems there is a bit of a difference in approach.


Trump claimed the fbi had a plan to assassinate him during their search pointing to a sentence in the search warrant, that gets put on every search warrant.
So spare me the pathetic faux right wing tears of outrage at bidens so called weaponization of the fbi as I once again highlight trumps constant erosion of trust in government on his way to his much desired dictatorship using every lie in the book to achieve his aim. You want to be stupid enough to believe them, be my guest. Every point you are making just points to your willful blindness of everything that is rotten on the right in the usa on it's quest to become the most corrupt political party in usa history.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-falsely-claims-biden-fbi-plan-assassinate-mar/story?id=110466084

From your source:


In a fundraising email responding to right-wing media reports that offered a distorted reading of a newly-unsealed court filing in Trump's classified documents case, Trump falsely claimed Biden was "locked & loaded ready to take me out."

In a separate post on his Truth Social platform Tuesday evening, Trump further said he was "shown Reports" that Biden's DOJ "AUTHORIZED THE FBI TO USE DEADLY (LETHAL) FORCE" in their search of the property for classified documents.

Can you point to where the word assassinate is used? Furthermore - You have two separate statements - one an email and the other a Tweet and the news reporting is posting them together as if to conflate. Further down it uses MagicTheGathering (who DID use the word Assissinate) to try and smear Trump, but she is not Trump.

Now, I will grant you that authorization of Deadly force is a standard thing, no argument from me - and yes I will grant you that it was to rile up his Voter base.

But in return, I want you to pause for a moment - the way it is being reported is fundamentally dishonest. Nowhere in the Article does it show that Trump said directly that there was a plan to assassinate, despite the headline saying so. They are splicing together multiple bits of writing and putting them back-to-back to try and link them together - as if Trump one after the other, which would make it seem like the headline was true... But it is not.

If Trump was the big evil you think he is, why the need to editorialize? to lie? to falsely attribute things to him?


Why yes, I can totally see why trump rewarded this criminal that the republican prosecutor described as being the "most loathsome, disgusting crimes” he ever prosecuted as U.S. attorney" with a plush ambassadorship - makes perfect sense.

This is not a defense of Blackmail, but in the plethora of Crimes that I am sure a US Attorney has prosecuted, I would be surprised if it was the worst he had ever done.

I am not invested in Charles Kushner - however there is a world of difference between Pardoning someone nearly 20 years after the crime was done and after they paid their dues to society and pardoning someone before they have faced the consequences of their crimes.

And to that end, Biden has set the precedent.

[neels]

I am not invested in Charles Kushner - however there is a world of difference between Pardoning someone nearly 20 years after the crime was done and after they paid their dues to society and pardoning someone before they have faced the consequences of their crimes.

And to that end, Biden has set the precedent.

Biden is definitely not setting any precedent by pardoning an individual who was convicted, but had not yet been sentenced and faced any consequences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Joe_Arpaio

[pritch]

Biden should make the most of his pardon power in the remaining few weeks. There is a long list, starting with all of the people who prosecuted Trump for his many crimes. Trump has said his presidency will be about retribution. It would be silly not to believe him.

[TheDemonLord]

Biden is definitely not setting any precedent by pardoning an individual who was convicted, but had not yet been sentenced and faced any consequences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Joe_Arpaio

Not family, not a felony.


Whats more - if you look at what the charge was - contempt of court, for ignoring a judge in order to do his job.

[sugilite]

This is not misdirection - its that there is another side to the events, which puts it in a very different light. On the Documents example - Trump said 'Hey, those boxes contain personal items, nothing for the archives' there was some Back and Forth - the FBI told Trump to put them under a Lock and wait for further instruction.... Then raided it. After fobbing of authrities for months and months, and months, the fbi was finally sent in whereupon they found ample files trump should not have had there AND lots of security footage showing staff moving boxes around to hide shit. More tdl chicanery/lies. Before you plan on telling more lies, look at this.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indicted-mar-a-lago-documents-investigation-timeline/


There is other nuance around it - but it is not clear cut. Either way, if Biden gets to be let off because he is an old man with a failing memory and Hilary gets let off because a different reason
Rubbish, Biden turned himself in and deserved leniancy as a result. I would of attributed the same for trump if he were not being a criminal about it. fuck knows with hillary, but i do know the fbi harpooned her campaign by opening an investigation just weeks before the election so I have no idea why you are moaning.




From your source:
He told his supporters Biden was "locked & loaded ready to take me out." as in through the FBI. Or are you trying to convince me trump was saying Biden was going to burst through the front door at maralardo and take him out (assassinate) him? And yes, he mislead his base by LYING to them. "take me out" and "assassinate" are pretty much interchangeable words in the context trump used. and as for a media company spicing language up, have you ever looked at usa right wing media when it comes to anything biden! And lets not forget maga house fuckwits tried and FAILED to find a single thing to impeach biden on through out a 2 year "investigation" where they trumpeted bombshell after bombastic bombshell - yet only to came up COMPLETELY empty handed with no impeachment started. What a fucken joke. This is your team!!!!




Now, I will grant you that authorization of Deadly force is a standard thing, no argument from me - and yes I will grant you that it was to rile up his Voter base.
By rile, you mean lie and deceive - yes.


But in return, I want you to pause for a moment - the way it is being reported is fundamentally dishonest. Nowhere in the Article does it show that Trump said directly that there was a plan to assassinate, despite the headline saying so. They are splicing together multiple bits of writing and putting them back-to-back to try and link them together - as if Trump one after the other, which would make it seem like the headline was true... But it is not.
It is true, take me out and authorized for deadly force. Guess what the base was saying - as trump planned. They were not desperately splitting hairs like you are. They read and received the message EXACTLY as it was intended to be received.




This is not a defense of Blackmail, but in the plethora of Crimes that I am sure a US Attorney has prosecuted, I would be surprised if it was the worst he had ever done.
He said it was.


I am not invested in Charles Kushner - however there is a world of difference between Pardoning someone nearly 20 years after the crime was done and after they paid their dues to society and pardoning someone before they have faced the consequences of their crimes.

And to that end, Biden has set the precedent.
Trump pardoned a family member - precedent set.

[neels]

Not family, not a felony.


Whats more - if you look at what the charge was - contempt of court, for ignoring a judge in order to do his job.

You didn't apply those parameters to your previous statement, which is demonstrably incorrect, so now you're splitting hairs rather than just admit that you were wrong?


pardoning someone before they have faced the consequences of their crimes.

And to that end, Biden has set the precedent.

[sugilite]

You've missed the main reason. Trump nominated Kash Patel to be FBI Director.

https://apnews.com/article/kash-patel-fbi-trump-things-to-know-4cb7802bb3378576f3aa37df5f9770ad

Yep, I did see that. Trumps aim is to turn the white house into the worlds largest unscripted reality tv show. And your average maga will lap that shit up.

The thing is though, some of these picks, even though inexperienced, could well do ok. As long as they listen to the right advice from the experts in their departments working under them. Tulsi Gabbard for instance could make a good fist of things, as will some others. However, if you assign enough clowns, as trump has then you get a circus, then the wheels will start to fall off fairly rapidly for those poor departments.
The bonus for us is the dems are handing over an ok economy, not great, but not that bad either. This means with the maga mob holding the whitehouse, the senate, the house and the supreme court. So when the wheels do fall off, the likes of our resident trump apologist wont have a blade of grass to hide behind and will need to stock up on keyboards, because all the misdirection and bullshit required to defend the indefensible will become a full time job :laugh:.

[Grumph]

If Kash Patel follows through onhis public statements - and they appear to be why Trump gave him the job - there could well be trouble ahead.

I can see a scenario where a journalist or public servant has run to avoid "retribution" or prosecution as a "traitor" - perhaps across the border.

Will another country, even one with an extradition treaty, return someone wanted for doing their job ?

[TheDemonLord]

After fobbing of authrities for months and months, and months, the fbi was finally sent in whereupon they found ample files trump should not have had there AND lots of security footage showing staff moving boxes around to hide shit. More tdl chicanery/lies. Before you plan on telling more lies, look at this.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indicted-mar-a-lago-documents-investigation-timeline/

Sure - from your Source:


June 8: Bratt sends a letter to Trump's team warning that "Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information" and asking the room be secured.

Trump's attorneys acknowledge receipt of the letter a day later. Trump directs his staff to place a second lock on the door to the storage room, he says in his lawsuit.

~

June 24: Federal investigators issue a subpoena for security-camera footage at Mar-a-Lago, and Trump's team complies, turning over the footage to the U.S. government. (On Sept. 7, the Justice Department said the grand jury subpoena for Mar-a-Lago's security cams was issued on June 24, and not June 22, as Trump's lawsuit had stated.)

Aug. 5: The Justice Department seeks and obtains a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago from a federal magistrate judge in West Palm Beach.

~

Aug. 8: The Justice Department executes the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago beginning around 10 a.m. At least two of Trump's lawyers, Christina Bobb and Lindsey Halligan, are present, and Bobb signs a receipt listing the property seized by the FBI at 6:19 p.m.

Now - I am going to ignore the surrounding circumstances of Trump being hounded by the FBI for over 4 years on BS allegations - and just focus on the above, I have trimmed some elements out, but they are not relevant to my point - My summarizing of the above was: "the FBI told Trump to put them under a Lock and wait for further instruction.... Then raided it."

From your source, that is, more-or-less exactly what happened. The FBI asked for it to be secured, Trump complied. The FBI asked for footage, Trump complied. Then there is a suspicious looking gap (again, from your source) then the FBI decided to get a search warrant to Raid Mar-a-lago.

The FBI allege that there was some grand conspiracy to thwart them and retain the documents - to what end is never articulated.



Rubbish, Biden turned himself in and deserved leniancy as a result. I would of attributed the same for trump if he were not being a criminal about it. fuck knows with hillary, but i do know the fbi harpooned her campaign by opening an investigation just weeks before the election so I have no idea why you are moaning.

Hilary harpooned her campaign by being thoroughly unlikeable. However - neither were subjected to the same degree of heavy-handedness that Trump was.





He told his supporters Biden was "locked & loaded ready to take me out." as in through the FBI. Or are you trying to convince me trump was saying Biden was going to burst through the front door at maralardo and take him out (assassinate) him? And yes, he mislead his base by LYING to them. "take me out" and "assassinate" are pretty much interchangeable words in the context trump used. and as for a media company spicing language up, have you ever looked at usa right wing media when it comes to anything biden! And lets not forget maga house fuckwits tried and FAILED to find a single thing to impeach biden on through out a 2 year "investigation" where they trumpeted bombshell after bombastic bombshell - yet only to came up COMPLETELY empty handed with no impeachment started. What a fucken joke. This is your team!!!!

No, not as in through the FBI. One was an email about the Political Campaign - Locked and Loaded ready to take me out = persecute via bogus allegations and lawfare.

The other was about the raid specifically - but if you conflate the two different statements, with two different contexts together (which is what the Media did) then yes, it sounds like assassinate - but if you take each in their original (and very separate) contexts - you do not.

Spicing up language - I mean they were calling him a Senile old Man who wasnt in control of anything - and, well... The Boot fits...



It is true, take me out and authorized for deadly force. Guess what the base was saying - as trump planned. They were not desperately splitting hairs like you are. They read and received the message EXACTLY as it was intended to be received.

One was an email, one was a Truth social post - again, two very different bits of communication.


He said it was.

Sure, he did, and by that statement, I am to presume he never prosecuted a single murder or a Child abuse case or similar - Again, I think it might be a wee touch of hyperbole.


Trump pardoned a family member - precedent set.

Who had already served his sentence, nearly 2 decades ago - bit of a difference.

[TheDemonLord]

You didn't apply those parameters to your previous statement, which is demonstrably incorrect, so now you're splitting hairs rather than just admit that you were wrong?

If it was an Apple we were comparing with another Apple, you might have a point, but comparing an Orange with an Apple and then saying I am splitting hairs by pointing out some rather key differences is not becoming.

[Berries]

Can we merge this thread with the Trump one and then move it to Jokes and Humour where it really belongs?

Politicians my arse. Thank fuck I am not American.

[pritch]

Tulsi Gabbard for instance could make a good fist of things, as will some others. :.

Geez man WTF? She's a Russian asset. US allies are seriously considering withholding intelligence from the US because she will likely send it straight tp Putin.

Gabbard isn't the only joke though. There ws Gaetz but he has been eliminated.

There is RFK Jr for health and he is responsible for the deaths of children in Samoa. That's verifiable and it can be Googled. The Surgeon General appointment is another loon vaccine denier.

Defence: Pete Hegseth. Looks OK initially but has been fired more than once for sexual or financial impropriety. Even his mother says he is an abuser of women. If that's not enough it seems he's a drunk.

Pam Bondi for AG? She is known to be corrupt, not what you need for the top lawyer in the nation.

Lee Zeldin, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, thinks climate change is a hoax.

None of the appointees are to have the required FBI security checks for the obvious reason some couldn't pass. No surprises there, Trump couldn't pass a security check himself.

There is so much more, but looking at his appointments it seems that his plan is to wreck the government. Trump has said he loves chaos and it appears that is the idea.

[sugilite]

Sure - from your Source:
No rebuttal, so I will assume you do not have any compelling sources of your own?


The other was about the raid specifically - but if you conflate the two different statements, with two different contexts together (which is what the Media did) then yes, it sounds like assassinate - but if you take each in their original (and very separate) contexts - you do not.

So how did maga get it so wrong, and scream biden and the fbi were out to assassinate trump! The fox news commenters were near 100% going on in that vein, as were maga surrogates, not just space laser girl. (Please note to anyone reading this - tdl does not read foxnews.) Maybe they were not reading it through the nitpicking misdirection lens you are but rather took it EXACTLY as it was meant to be received?



Sure, he did, and by that statement, I am to presume he never prosecuted a single murder or a Child abuse case or similar - Again, I think it might be a wee touch of hyperbole.
Based on the evidense and subsequent conviction, clearly the man had his opinion. Hardly an ethical pick for an ambassador position, but trump loves his nepotism.



Who had already served his sentence, nearly 2 decades ago - bit of a difference.
Exactly, precedent set, well done president trump ;)

[TheDemonLord]

Yep, I did see that. Trumps aim is to turn the white house into the worlds largest unscripted reality tv show. And your average maga will lap that shit up.

The thing is though, some of these picks, even though inexperienced, could well do ok. As long as they listen to the right advice from the experts in their departments working under them. Tulsi Gabbard for instance could make a good fist of things, as will some others. However, if you assign enough clowns, as trump has then you get a circus, then the wheels will start to fall off fairly rapidly for those poor departments.
The bonus for us is the dems are handing over an ok economy, not great, but not that bad either. This means with the maga mob holding the whitehouse, the senate, the house and the supreme court. So when the wheels do fall off, the likes of our resident trump apologist wont have a blade of grass to hide behind and will need to stock up on keyboards, because all the misdirection and bullshit required to defend the indefensible will become a full time job :laugh:.

Okay - serious question here:

Let us say for the sake of argument that Trumps policies do not hurt the economy (in the way that Bidens policies objectively did) - let us also for the sake of argument assume that all the wildest Fever dreams of the MAGA types come true - that the ATF is disbanded, the DoE is disbanded, a whole bunch of partisan civil servants are fired and the reach of the Federal Government is severely curtailed.

(Quick point scoring comment - classic Dictator move 101 - shrink the Government and limit Government power)

If the US doesnt implode and the Economy doesnt tank - How will you interpret that?

There are some Trump Policies, where I know what the desired outcome is, I know how the Policy hoped to work - and I am not sure if it will or will not.

I am looking at what Jarvier Milei is doing in Argentina and what happens there - so far, Argentina hasnt collapsed - By objective accounts, the countries Inflation has been brought under control. Some sources say that his de-regulation of the Rental market has increased the available rental properties and brought prices down.

[sugilite]

Geez man WTF? She's a Russian asset. US allies are seriously considering withholding intelligence from the US because she will likely send it straight tp Putin.

Gabbard isn't the only joke though.
You will have to forgive me, I have trouble differentiating the difference between maga and russia these days, they look pretty much the same to me.

And yes, largely agree about the other clowns, but some will do better than expected I'm sure.

[sugilite]

Okay - serious question here:

(Quick point scoring comment - classic Dictator move 101 - shrink the Government and limit Government power)
Trump never does anything by the book, his path towards dictatorship will be no different.


If the US doesnt implode and the Economy doesnt tank - How will you interpret that?


I would interpret that as me being wrong about trump and would admit as much. Will you have the courage to to the same if it turns to shit?. As my retirement plan is stretching ever further away in this NZ economy, if trumps america is the nirvana you project it to be I would likely move over there again and run the same operation that I am here over there and spend 9 months of the year in the usa and the summer back here. Go trump!!!!! (unfortunately I have not seen one shred of evidence that he will pull it off, as the man is an easily manipulated egotistical oaf.)

[TheDemonLord]

No rebuttal, so I will assume you do not have any compelling sources of your own?

No need to rebut, the Source proved my point - Trump complied with the FBI, twice - then was raided. Different treatment.


So how did maga get it so wrong, and scream biden and the fbi were out to assassinate trump! The fox news commenters were near 100% going on in that vein, as were maga surrogates, not just space laser girl. (Please note to anyone reading this - tdl does not read foxnews.) Maybe they were not reading it through the nitpicking misdirection lens you are but rather took it EXACTLY as it was meant to be received?

So, the News Media lied and put two separate statements together, then this was picked up as fact by both sides - one aghast at the continued partisan attacks against its preferred candidate, the other outraged at such a distasteful notion.

One wonders why it got legs...


Based on the evidense and subsequent conviction, clearly the man had his opinion. Hardly an ethical pick for an ambassador position, but trump loves his nepotism.

Well, he was appointed as an Ambassador to France - so experience with Hookers, Blackmail and mistresses is practically a job requirement :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Again, I think the Prosecutor might be over-egging it a little.

On the Nepotism comment - so, I think it was on the JRE interview this was covered - he talked about when he first was President, he listened to the recieved wisdom of people - and the result was people who were invested in the Status Quo and not invested in Trumps agenda.

We can discuss the merits of this separately - however for levity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIYfiRyPi3o - specifically the last ~30 seconds.

That is the classic view of the Civil Servant - of having no opinion on Policy (yes, for avid watchers of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister - you will note this is not true...) but carrying out diligently the agenda of the Government.

However Trumps point was that he wanted to do certain things and was obstructed from carrying it out by unelected beaurocrats. You might hold the opinion that those same unlected beaurocrats were trying to safeguard the country from the largese of Trump or other such justifications, however that is a separate discussion (as above).

And so Trump, in his second (and last term) is determined to carry out his policy(s) and is appointing people who will assist him in doing it.

Now, for the real philosophical view:

Is that not the ultimate expression of Democracy? The people vote someone in to do XYZ, that person appoints people to XYZ. Either it works or it fails - and Democracy will have been upheld.

Whereas if people who are not voted in, thwart the will of the people who voted to do XYZ - then what?


Exactly, precedent set, well done president trump ;)

Apple and Orange.

[sugilite]

another wall
I'm sorry, your never ending nitpicking and ignoring facts like loooooong time frames has used up all your allocation of sugi reply credits

[TheDemonLord]

Trump never does anything by the book, his path towards dictatorship will be no different.

I find it amusing that on the one hand, people point to all these historic warning signs and on the other say that he doesn't do things by the book.

Which is it?


I would interpret that as me being wrong about trump and would admit as much. Will you have the courage to to the same if it turns to shit?.

Sure - if we can agree on what the definition of Turn to shit is.

I remember a bold prediction I made about the 2024 election that if Trump got much the same votes as last time (which he did) and the Democrat candidate got significantly less than last time (which they objectively did) - whether or not you would agree that at the very least 2020 is an outlier.

I put forward that Trump is just as divisive and contentious now as he was in 2016 and 2020 - and would even go so far that for the Democrat base - who we must believe were so galvanized against Trump to vote in record numbers in 2020, after the Roe overturn, after the 'conviction', after everything went 'Nah, I don't think I am going to vote this year' - to the tune of 10 Million votes.

I gave plenty of outs that it doesn't prove anything and is not evidence of anything. Just that all those factors combined, it is not unreasonable to say the 2020 was suspcious.


As my retirement plan is stretching ever further away in this NZ economy, if trumps america is the nirvana you project it to be I would likely move over there again and run the same operation that I am here over there and spend 9 months of the year in the usa and the summer back here. Go trump!!!!! (unfortunately I have not seen one shred of evidence that he will pull it off, as the man is an easily manipulated egotistical oaf.)

I am not sure if it will be Nirvana - I mean I have my hopes, but realistically things move slowly.

Maybe I shouldnt be so hopeful, so we will have more time to catch up :D

[sugilite]

I find it amusing that on the one hand, people point to all these historic warning signs and on the other say that he doesn't do things by the book. Which is it?
Both can be true simultaneously eh


Sure - if we can agree on what the definition of Turn to shit is.
After witnessing your nit picking, hair splitting and misdirection over the years, I have zero faith that you are capable of abandoning a position no matter how ridiculous that position looks. I have a solid track record of admitting when I get it wrong, ala the apology to the only person on kb I genuinely disliked - bonez. Swallowing a dead rat does not even begin to cover that apology, and admitting I'm wrong about trump would be a walk in the park by comparison.


I remember a bold prediction I made about the 2024 election that if Trump got much the same votes as last time (which he did) and the Democrat candidate got significantly less than last time (which they objectively did) - whether or not you would agree that at the very least 2020 is an outlier.
And I predicted that if the dems chose harris they would lose and they did. Every election has it's special circumstances. the 2020 people were absolutely exhausted by trumps daily drama (short memory dickheads), but mainly covid shook shit up.


I put forward that Trump is just as divisive and contentious now as he was in 2016 and 2020 - and would even go so far that for the Democrat base - who we must believe were so galvanized against Trump to vote in record numbers in 2020, after the Roe overturn, after the 'conviction', after everything went 'Nah, I don't think I am going to vote this year' - to the tune of 10 Million votes.
I guess there must have been 10 million black men barber shop dudes :bleh: Harris was the wrong person and sincerely, the magas ran a far more superior misinformation campaign. Joe is out to assassinate trump! They are eating the cats and dogs! They are aborting babies after birth! Thomas is not corrupt! :laugh:


I gave plenty of outs that it doesn't prove anything and is not evidence of anything. Just that all those factors combined, it is not unreasonable to say the 2020 was suspcious.

So you would have me believe that the dastardly dems were clever enough to avoid getting caught cheating in 2020, then had 4 years to further perfect their technique, but fell short by 10 million votes. With all due respect, you can fuck right off with that malarkey! :lol:


I am not sure if it will be Nirvana - I mean I have my hopes, but realistically things move slowly.
Slowly like the wall you mean? It should not be slow at all, he has the house, senate, presidency, supreme court and smash, bash, rip bust and burn musk with ramaswami there for Indian takeout - I EXPECT speed, there is literally nothing left in his way now. I'm not kidding bro, you aint gonna have a blade of grass to hide behind!


Maybe I shouldnt be so hopeful, so we will have more time to catch up :D
Lemon Lime and Bitters tastes all the sweeter when laxing out on a cache of US Dollars while enjoying a balmy nz summers day :sunny:

[Dean]

Hey Sug, whatever happened to Bonez?

He was a character alright. We got on though.

Was he pro democrat or republican? I don’t think we ever talked about politics. Last we spoke he was shortly after placed in the naughty corner of KB.

[sugilite]

Hey Sug, whatever happened to Bonez?

He was a character alright. We got on though.

Was he pro democrat or republican? I don’t think we ever talked about politics. Last we spoke he was shortly after placed in the naughty corner of KB.

Well, I think bonez was actually quite ill there at the end of his kb tenure and may well of passed on. My biggest problem with him was in person personality was fairly mild and we got on just fine on the 7 or 8 times I met him in person. I fully acknowledge he was very knowledgeable on a range of subjects and a more passionate motorcyclist would be difficult to find. Furthermore he would go out of his way to help people and share his knowledge of all things motorcycle, and IT among others. Unfortunately, well at least the way I view it his online personality was complete keyboard warrior and the difference between real life and fake online bravado for me was particularly grating. As for his political leanings he was very much pro right/republican to the point he could easily carve up tdl on right handed corners.

[Dean]

Well, I think bonez was actually quite ill there at the end of his kb tenure and may well of passed on.
Very sad to hear - was not aware he was unwell.


My biggest problem with him was in person personality was fairly mild and we got on just fine on the 7 or 8 times I met him in person. I fully acknowledge he was very knowledgeable on a range of subjects and a more passionate motorcyclist would be difficult to find. Furthermore he would go out of his way to help people and share his knowledge of all things motorcycle, and IT among others. Unfortunately, well at least the way I view it his online personality was complete keyboard warrior and the difference between real life and fake online bravado for me was particularly grating.
Ah I see, he sure was a character online sometimes so I understand where you’re coming from. Never met him in person myself but got to know a bit about him/his family through convo etc. I guess I never had those same experiences as you. But yeah his passion and knowledge for motorcycles always came across strongly.


As for his political leanings he was very much pro right/republican to the point he could easily carve up tdl on right handed corners.
Could imagine Bonez speaking his mind on this Biden thread.

[sugilite]

Could imagine Bonez speaking his mind on this Biden thread.

I think if you asked bonez what his greatest achievement was on kb, he would say that getting the original trump thread moved to pd, and I think it was about the size and age of the current one when that happened.
Mind you, I think Berries started up the trump thread mark 2 about 5 minutes later :lol:

[Berries]

Mind you, I think Berries started up the trump thread mark 2 about 5 minutes later :lol:
Purely as a piss take.

I never knew so many people (well, three or four of you) in a tiny little country at the bottom of the world would waste so much time and energy arguing about American politics. Can I even call it politics?

[Dean]

I think if you asked bonez what his greatest achievement was on kb, he would say that getting the original trump thread moved to pd, and I think it was about the size and age of the current one when that happened.
Mind you, I think Berries started up the trump thread mark 2 about 5 minutes later :lol:

:lol: Yeah I can believe that

[sugilite]

Purely as a piss take.

I never knew so many people (well, three or four of you) in a tiny little country at the bottom of the world would waste so much time and energy arguing about American politics. Can I even call it politics?

Congratulations for having what would have to be the longest running piss take in kb history!

I think of it as a unscripted reality tv show these days, even more so now trump is only hiring TV show hosts for his cabinet :laugh:

[Berries]

Congratulations for having what would have to be the longest running piss take in kb history!
No. Thank you and TDL for keeping it going.

[sugilite]

You are welcome.

In other breaking Biden news, here he is having a nap in preparation for his next 4 year term - who is going to tell him???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qW6DB68lI

[sugilite]

Breaking news - Biden confirms dementia.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360536162/joe-biden-regrets-ending-re-election-campaign-maintains-he-could-have-beaten-donald-trump

[pete376403]

Breaking news - Biden confirms dementia.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360536162/joe-biden-regrets-ending-re-election-campaign-maintains-he-could-have-beaten-donald-trump

How do you get from "regrets" to "confirming dementia"?

[Katman]

How do you get from "regrets" to "confirming dementia"?

It's called humour.

[husaberg]

Breaking news - Biden confirms dementia.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360536162/joe-biden-regrets-ending-re-election-campaign-maintains-he-could-have-beaten-donald-trump


How do you get from "regrets" to "confirming dementia"?

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[TheDemonLord]

How do you get from "regrets" to "confirming dementia"?

I am hazarding a guess here - but Kamala had a bump in popularity from Not being Biden.... And got Destroyed by Trump.

Biden, who not only had the problem of being Biden but also had the disastrous debate against Trump, would have gotten destroyed even worse than Kamala, by Trump.

And if Biden thinks he could have beaten Trump - it shows he is clearly not all there.

[husaberg]

How do you get from "regrets" to "confirming dementia"?

Some people like to pretend that Biden didn't easily beat trump when trump was a sitting President.

Biden 306
Trump 232

Biden about 7 million more than Trump

[sugilite]

How do you get from "regrets" to "confirming dementia"?

Yep, as alluded to above, after the debate with Trump, Biden was done. Have a look at the "Highlights" version below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq0G1TMCw4Y

And if you have masochistic tendencies, here is the full debate below. If you are a Biden fan, it is a very tough watch indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfIeIuO3Z8&pp=ygUXdHJ1bXAgYmlkZW4gZGViYXRlIDIwMjQ%3D

[TheDemonLord]

Some people like to pretend that Biden didn't easily beat trump when trump was a sitting President.

Biden 306
Trump 232

Biden about 7 million more than Trump

And funny how all of those 7 million voters who so passionately voted for Biden, against Trump disapeared, like a Fart in the wind, when we had a proper election.

Very funny indeed.