Newshub strikes again

[Navy Boy]

A Ute manages to wrap itself around a post in Auckland this weekend. Whilst announcing this on tonight's bulletin those news merchants at Newshub lead with the headline 'And with further proof that speed really does kill'.

Really??? This all before the results of any meaningful investigation could possibly have been known and yet here we are with a national news agency telling us how this is further proof of the fatally flawed theory around Speed being the root of all evil.

I can only surmise that this is further proof of a Government/NZTA-led narrative being forced down our collective throats that suits their agenda on this front.

Unbelieveable.

Grrr... :facepalm:

[F5 Dave]

Slow down Rossi.

[FJRider]

A Ute manages to wrap itself around a post in Auckland this weekend. Whilst announcing this on tonight's bulletin those news merchants at Newshub lead with the headline 'And with further proof that speed really does kill'.

Really??? This all before the results of any meaningful investigation could possibly have been known and yet here we are with a national news agency telling us how this is further proof of the fatally flawed theory around Speed being the root of all evil.

I can only surmise that this is further proof of a Government/NZTA-led narrative being forced down our collective throats that suits their agenda on this front.

Unbelieveable.

Grrr... :facepalm:

For those that have not seen any photo's of the vehicles end result in this accident ..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/06/queen-s-birthday-weekend-road-toll-at-one-after-auckland-crash.html


And the location ... https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.8797265,174.7020943,3a,61.8y,82.27h,81.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUMqePCa3WwuSzu3aDX6bNQ!2e0!7i1 6384!8i8192

Can anybody tell me the speed limit in this location .. ?? I'm guessing not 100 km/hr.

Perhaps ... 4WD utes are not as safe as some might believe. And colliding with any sort of pole at the drivers door is not advisable at any time.

[pritch]

Just had a look at the area on the map. It has sure changed since I rode up there on my push bike on the way to high School. Then again, that was over half a century ago.

[release_the_bees]

I've never understood the appeal of hooning around city streets. In my mind, why do 100 in a 50 when I could already do 100 legally elsewhere? That's my mindset at least.

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[Laava]

For those that have not seen any photo's of the vehicles end result in this accident ..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/06/queen-s-birthday-weekend-road-toll-at-one-after-auckland-crash.html


And the location ... https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.8797265,174.7020943,3a,61.8y,82.27h,81.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUMqePCa3WwuSzu3aDX6bNQ!2e0!7i1 6384!8i8192

Can anybody tell me the speed limit in this location .. ?? I'm guessing not 100 km/hr.

Perhaps ... 4WD utes are not as safe as some might believe. And colliding with any sort of pole at the drivers door is not advisable at any time.
Surely though, the reality is that the speed limit was irrelevant to the crash. People hooning in cars are not influenced by speed limits, more likely by drugs or alcohol or maybe just inexperience?

[Navy Boy]

Surely though, the reality is that the speed limit was irrelevant to the crash. People hooning in cars are not influenced by speed limits, more likely by drugs or alcohol or maybe just inexperience?

My point precisely. It appears as though the person wasn't paying attention to the limit or indeed any other factors prevalent at the time. So - Poor decision making perhaps?

Wasn't it the case a year or two back that over 25% of that year's road toll was directly down to people not wearing a seatbelt when one was available? And yet...

[caspernz]

The mnemonic used by Police is RIDS if memory serves correct, as in what they focus on when doing 3R or 3T, hoping it doesn't turn into 5X.

Restraints
Impairment
Distraction
Speed

Seems like a simple list of things to hone in on, yet if an impaired driver is distracted by his phone whilst not wearing a seatbelt, then crashes...the only factor speed plays is how big the mess becomes :brick::wacko:

[Laava]

My point precisely. It appears as though the person wasn't paying attention to the limit or indeed any other factors prevalent at the time. So - Poor decision making perhaps?

Wasn't it the case a year or two back that over 25% of that year's road toll was directly down to people not wearing a seatbelt when one was available? And yet...
Oh, you've been to the far north then?
Seatbelts, wofs, rego, insurance and driving license optional once you get past whakapara.
And what the hell, if you havent got a license, they cant take it off you! Chur!

[R650R]

Yes our media deals in high grade fear porn and over simplified messages. It’s pretty hard to do a headline describing camber of Road and current friction co efficient...

Step one for staying alive in any vehicle is to admit your current chosen potential impact velocity IS the most important input value in the current real time calculation of your life expantancy.

Because if you deny it’s relevance you won’t compensate in your own subconscious decision making that your doing ( or should START doing) every micro second of your journey.

When I accidentky end up travelling above posted speed limits I recalculate my go or no go decision parameters, I’ll observe a slower motorist a bit longer before deciding if an overtake is on.
You have to remember all road safety laws are set around the lowest common denominator. You may very well be able to travel at speed safely and have a flash vehicle with good brakes etc....
But you don’t get to choose when you end up interacting with a sub standard driver in a substandard vehicle on a substandard road in less than ideal conditions, only the reaper decides who wins then if no one changes their behaviour.

Btw I saw raw footage of that’s crash scene via a media channel and it’s quite clear that’s ute had a VERY significant impact with the pole.

[FJRider]

Surely though, the reality is that the speed limit was irrelevant to the crash. People hooning in cars are not influenced by speed limits, more likely by drugs or alcohol or maybe just inexperience?

So ...
People hooning in cars are not influenced by speed limits The driver might have been "Hooning" under the speed limit .. ??

And it hit the Traffic Light pole (Sideways) on the vehicles side centerpost ... hard enough to push it into the cab area at least half a meter ... but speed wasn't a factor .. ??? :confused:

If the driver had his/her seatbelt on ... they would have been pinned to that centerpost. :facepalm:



It looks like a 50 km/hr area ... can any locals confirm .. ??

[caspernz]

It looks like a 50 km/hr area ... can any locals confirm .. ??

It's a 50 zone alright :cool:

[FJRider]

... the only factor speed plays is how big the mess becomes :brick::wacko:

Perhaps ... if the vehicle hit that Traffic light at a lesser speed ... they might have survived the prang.



But SPEED wasn't a factor ... right ... ?? ;)




Their family might disagree ...

[jellywrestler]

For those that have not seen any photo's of the vehicles end result in this accident ..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/06/queen-s-birthday-weekend-road-toll-at-one-after-auckland-crash.html


And the location ... https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.8797265,174.7020943,3a,61.8y,82.27h,81.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUMqePCa3WwuSzu3aDX6bNQ!2e0!7i1 6384!8i8192

Can anybody tell me the speed limit in this location .. ?? I'm guessing not 100 km/hr.

Perhaps ... 4WD utes are not as safe as some might believe. And colliding with any sort of pole at the drivers door is not advisable at any time.

if the wider road was anything above 50km'h then the side street would have a 50km/h sign on entry, seems there's none there so it's a 50km/h roads

[jellywrestler]

I've never understood the appeal of hooning around city streets. In my mind, why do 100 in a 50 when I could already do 100 legally elsewhere? That's my mindset at least.

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maybe their ankle bracelet restrictions doesn't stretch to a 100km/h zone?

[FJRider]

maybe their ankle bracelet restrictions doesn't stretch to a 100km/h zone?

The accident happened about 3am. Those with the ankle bracelet ... have to be home a lot sooner than that ... :shifty:



Maybe they were just trying to beat the traffic lights ... obvious fail ... :shifty:

[FJRider]

When I accidentky end up travelling above posted speed limits I recalculate my go or no go decision parameters, I’ll observe a slower motorist a bit longer before deciding if an overtake is on.

I know of three separate FATAL accidents that involved friends of mine while on a ride ... all of which they would not have seen the vehicle that killed them until the last second. One of which I was 100 meters behind him. At 130 km/hr. ALL the (now) deceased said the same thing.

I wish you good luck in the future in that regard ... ;)


You have to remember all road safety laws are set around the lowest common denominator. You may very well be able to travel at speed safely and have a flash vehicle with good brakes etc....

So ... if you (or anybody) is involved in an accident ... they will be one of the lowest common denominators ... right ... ?? ;)


But you don’t get to choose when you end up interacting with a sub standard driver in a substandard vehicle on a substandard road in less than ideal conditions, only the reaper decides who wins then if no one changes their behaviour.

That will be the major flaw in your plan/statement. Because ... the "When and Where" is not your choice to make. And you wouldn't know what a substandard driver looks like. And when you find out ... it might be to late to do anything.

People die on good roads in perfect driving conditions. Feeling safe enough to increase their speed (Just like you do).

I hope you're feeling lucky ... ;)


Btw I saw raw footage of that’s crash scene via a media channel and it’s quite clear that’s ute had a VERY significant impact with the pole.

Then explain why a few on here laughed at the journalist ... that made the comment that the crash highlighted the "Speed kills" ... ??



Apparently it was just a hoon getting it wrong.

[Swoop]

Hitting a traffic light? In a Hilux?

After what Top Gear put their Hilux through, I'm really quite impresseed how these fucktards managed to ahieve this level of vehicular destruction from a fucking traffic light.


Nice work Mr Darwin!