Putin

[Pursang]

Hide the Pain Putin!
https://img.ifunny.co/images/0133571fd3101bcf88e6f7c6392b50fc5c0742fe9bc82013e4 23cbecb0caff81_1.webp

[Pursang]

The way i see it Putins a desperate despot, i don't believe he is not above using tactical nukes to win.

If it gets to that point, I don't think it will be for the Win!

A Narcissistic Psychopath will just want to 'go out' with a Huge Splash and take as many innocent souls with him as possible. (for street cred in Hell, perhaps)

i.e. "If I cant have Ukraine/a new USSR/Europe/the World.. then you weak, pissy worms won't have it either"

Putin is not an Ideological Fanatic, like say Hitler! He won't kill himself if/when he recognises his total personal failure to achieve his goal.
He will want to be (in his mind) martyred by the USA, NATO, EU. Hence 'loose some nukes' and then let the Enemy destroy their own souls by responding.

This is not a comforting thought!

The Solution is obvious...but not without difficulties!

[pritch]

The way i see it Putins a desperate despot, i don't believe he is not above using tactical nukes to win.

You're jumping ahead a bit there. My concern was chemical weapons since he used them in Syria. The EU is aware of that, and have warned him against using chemical weapons but he may decide, "So what?"

At this stage the fuel depot is only a minor aggravation. Nobody much in Russia will read anything about that.

[Pursang]

Some really Horrific images and details showing what the Russians have done to civilians before withdrawing out of towns.

Groups of people shot with their hands tied behind their backs. Bodies half buried, half burned, dumped in wells.

Girls as young as 10 in hospital with brutal rape injuries.

I'm Not re-posting the pics here, but easy enough to find. (try reddit r/Ukraine and similar) Not for the fainthearted!

Here a link to some street interviews with Russians about Ukraine (Spoiler: Simply Topping Putin is not all that is required)
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tuup2q/interviewing_some_pedestrians/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Pursang]

WAR CRIMES - This image of Zelensky’s face while visiting Bucha today says it all.

https://wips.plug.it/cips/newsonline.it/img-nol/9/1/3/56696319.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tw3mvi/this_image_of_zelenskys_face_while_visiting_bucha/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pete376403]

good read. source of the image I posted before
https://www.quora.com/Has-Russias-invasion-of-Ukraine-taking-almost-one-month-and-failing-to-capture-more-than-a-single-major-city-exposed-Russias-military-might-as-a-Paper-Tiger
Replying to my own post (bad form, I know, but...) A comment on the above link includes this:

"A very good response, however there was no socialism in National Socialism, it was just a word, for propaganda effect, same thing with international socialism. Communism is an economic theory and it lives very comfortably with Capitalism, because in reality communism is not economic but political.

Stalin was a nationalist, Trotsky and internationalist. Stalin had Trotsky, his main competitor, murdered in Mexico.

Even then communism was not socialist, and certainly Karl Marx wasn’t. Marx was a free trader, and a gold bug. The USSR was on a 100% gold standard with a ruble defined as .91 grams fine gold, thus a shortage of rubles, meant a shortage of consumer goods, hidden behind the necessity for large defense spending's because of a “cold war”

The USSR was a libartarian paradise, 100% gold standard, and Art 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution, in essence says “if you don’t work you don’t eat” and nothing could be more libertarian. The father of the Koch family which has spent millions destroying democracy and creating an authoritarian government, are only carrying on the apparent goal of their father Fred Koch, who made his fortune building oil wells and refineries in the 1930’s for Stalin."

Would our resident libertarian care to comment?

[husaberg]

Replying to my own post (bad form, I know, but...) A comment on the above link includes this:

"A very good response, however there was no socialism in National Socialism, it was just a word, for propaganda effect, same thing with international socialism. Communism is an economic theory and it lives very comfortably with Capitalism, because in reality communism is not economic but political.

Stalin was a nationalist, Trotsky and internationalist. Stalin had Trotsky, his main competitor, murdered in Mexico.

Even then communism was not socialist, and certainly Karl Marx wasn’t. Marx was a free trader, and a gold bug. The USSR was on a 100% gold standard with a ruble defined as .91 grams fine gold, thus a shortage of rubles, meant a shortage of consumer goods, hidden behind the necessity for large defense spending's because of a “cold war”

The USSR was a libartarian paradise, 100% gold standard, and Art 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution, in essence says “if you don’t work you don’t eat” and nothing could be more libertarian. The father of the Koch family which has spent millions destroying democracy and creating an authoritarian government, are only carrying on the apparent goal of their father Fred Koch, who made his fortune building oil wells and refineries in the 1930’s for Stalin."

Would our resident libertarian care to comment?

https://c.tenor.com/WzbycR0hNcgAAAAM/oh-no-you-didnt.gif
Let the multi quote avalanche begin

https://r.wheelers.co/bk/large/978194/9781948174053.jpg

[TheDemonLord]

Replying to my own post (bad form, I know, but...) A comment on the above link includes this:

"A very good response, however there was no socialism in National Socialism, it was just a word, for propaganda effect, same thing with international socialism. Communism is an economic theory and it lives very comfortably with Capitalism, because in reality communism is not economic but political.

Stalin was a nationalist, Trotsky and internationalist. Stalin had Trotsky, his main competitor, murdered in Mexico.

Even then communism was not socialist, and certainly Karl Marx wasn’t. Marx was a free trader, and a gold bug. The USSR was on a 100% gold standard with a ruble defined as .91 grams fine gold, thus a shortage of rubles, meant a shortage of consumer goods, hidden behind the necessity for large defense spending's because of a “cold war”

The USSR was a libartarian paradise, 100% gold standard, and Art 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution, in essence says “if you don’t work you don’t eat” and nothing could be more libertarian. The father of the Koch family which has spent millions destroying democracy and creating an authoritarian government, are only carrying on the apparent goal of their father Fred Koch, who made his fortune building oil wells and refineries in the 1930’s for Stalin."

Would our resident libertarian care to comment?

I think whoever wrote that is either:

1: Woefully misguided.
2: Willfully deceptive.

In essence it's a derivative of the 'that wasn't real communism' argument.

This line is particularly telling:

"Communism is an economic theory and it lives very comfortably with Capitalism, because in reality communism is not economic but political."

Is Communism an Economic Theory or is it Political? The Author seems to be quite confused.

[Berries]

Would our resident libertarian care to comment?
Does that mean born in July?

[Pursang]

All very well to look back and then pick and choose what we want for our political, economic, social, militarist & philosophical justifications, from All of History.

Putin is quite the expert at this!

But looking at just today, (as the Ukrainians must), Russia's current 'Kleptocratic Fascism' is undoubtably a political, economic, social and military shit pile.
Not just philosophically, but in Appalling & Horrific practice.

To be Resisted at all cost. Then Isolated and Quarantined until the sufferers pass on, learn to live on their own, with their problems or hopefully, heal sufficiently to be allowed to mingle again with the rest of the World. (Conditions Will Apply, generally Capitalistic ones)

[pritch]

Perhaps not for the tl:dr crew but a good read.

https://theconversation.com/in-2014-the-decrepit-ukrainian-army-hit-the-refresh-button-eight-years-later-its-paying-off-177881

[Pursang]

Yes, a good read.
So Ukraine was pretty well up to NATO standard in 2020. But not allowed to join.

After this is over, Zelensky is considering setting up his own Mutual Protection group.
Lots of Wussy Euro countries would fail to meet the standard (balls) to be included in that one!

For History buffs: An excellent documentary on the WW2 weapons being used in Ukraine. (Including Maxim machine guns dating back to 1910)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd8NFftuXI

Don't complain if Russia breaks through your gates... otherwise Putin might take a fence!

Or your washing machine, CRT monitors, phones, Ipads, electric scooters, booze, ladies sanitary pads.....whatever you've got! And, of course, Your Life!
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/JiSlkw0cFiAwDLvKKvzOWA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MA--/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2022-04/6af0c730-b56d-11ec-b725-6aa8f114c2fd

Ravaging, raping & pillaging is a very longstanding military practice. Persians (then & now), Mongol hordes, Huns, Vikings, Crusaders, Pirates, Russians, ISIS, Russians.
Pay your troops a sustenance, let them keep what they can take home.
Of course it was always reliant on Winning the battles first. Russians soldiers have updated and modified the concept!

[Pursang]

OMFG! Russian state news agency published a piece calling for full blown genocide and destruction of Ukraine as a state

Any Psychological analysis would call this text book 'Projection' (the process of denying your own serious faults and attributing them to others)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Russia is a seriously messed up place! This is a pretty wild read!

Here is an English Translation: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tvc9kq/russian_state_news_agency_published_a_piece/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pritch]

OMFG! Russian state news agency published a piece calling for full blown genocide and destruction of Ukraine as a state


In case anybody has doubts about Reddit as a source, I have seen other sources quoting this same item.

[Pursang]

Yes, there is even a link to the original document in the Russian state news agency archive.

Having read the piece (of crap), which can be considered to be approved and endorsed at all levels. i.e. State Policy, I'm now a bit concerned that the rapid pull-back of troops to 'Russian claimed' areas might be a prelude to the release of WMD's (chemical or otherwise) to fulfill the promise of the doc. and the glory of Tsar Putin & Mother Russia.


There are no War Crimes!.....It's Not a War, just a Special Operation.

[Pursang]

Thank goodness, Oz is finally doing something practical for Ukraine. (First 4 of 20)
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/08/04/56355199-0-The_first_Bushmaster_PMV_is_loaded_into_a_C_17_Glo bemaster_aircr-a-4_1649387589529.jpg

The Ambulances look pretty Tough! It will be interesting to see what the Ukrainians can do with the Combat ones.
They have already done a lot of Orc chasing and destruction with regular passenger 4WD's.

These are Landmine resistant which should be useful pushing into Donbas.

[pete376403]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZUMJ_T1YBI

Wasnt aware of the huge gas fields in the east of Ukraine. That and the water to Crimea is a much better reason for russian invasion than "liberation from nazi fascists"

[caseye]

The Harold reports that the bulk of Russians living in NZ are suitably ashamed and embarressed and doing what they can to let their Ukranian neighbous know, they don't agree with Putin. While a small minority belive Phu-tin is their hero and will make Russia great again, all that he does is OK.
You know, deliberatly targeting civilians and having non Russian troops torturing and executing civilians so he can deny it was Russians doing the terrorising.
How about we get together and buy them a return ticket to the Ukraine,I'm not interested in having them here, saying things like this without having first seen for themselves what is actually happening.
How could you live outside of Russia for any length of time and still stubbornly stick to the party line, when your own eyes and ears Scream the truth all around you! These people ( and I use the term loosly) are the ones who should be granted a free ticket back to their mother land (humm sounds familiar) so they can go and make sure innocent people are not being hurt during their reverred leaders so called operation!
Get them out of THIS, our Country, let them practice the three monkey theory back home!

[Pursang]

And now, for something completely different!


https://v16-webapp.tiktok.com/37e59265f73834d3258bd4440273f232/62516d49/video/tos/useast2a/tos-useast2a-pve-0068/130721962acd4c55a53560cb0f8191ff/?a=1988&br=5556&bt=2778&cd=0%7C0%7C1%7C0&ch=0&cr=0&cs=0&cv=1&dr=0&ds=3&er=&ft=eXd.6HmIMyq8ZJVMBwe2N4Ugml7Gb&l=2022040905245801024506220210969A95&lr=tiktok_m&mime_type=video_mp4&net=0&pl=0&qs=0&rc=M2ptZjw6Zmc1PDMzNzczM0ApaWdmZTg2aTxmN2dpOjc0Z2c 2ZV5jcjRvbjVgLS1kMTZzcy0xYV8wM2MvNjBfNWM2My86Yw%3D %3D&vl=&vr=

English Translation:

Putin came with the war to Ukraine, but he shit himself, so it did not work

Now the whole world, and in Europe, everyone knows Putin kHUYLO (is a dick Head)

[R650R]

The Harold reports that the bulk of Russians living in NZ are suitably ashamed and embarressed and doing what they can to let their Ukranian neighbous know, they don't agree with Putin. While a small minority belive Phu-tin is their hero and will make Russia great again, all that he does is OK.
You know, deliberatly targeting civilians and having non Russian troops torturing and executing civilians so he can deny it was Russians doing the terrorising.
How about we get together and buy them a return ticket to the Ukraine,I'm not interested in having them here, saying things like this without having first seen for themselves what is actually happening.
How could you live outside of Russia for any length of time and still stubbornly stick to the party line, when your own eyes and ears Scream the truth all around you! These people ( and I use the term loosly) are the ones who should be granted a free ticket back to their mother land (humm sounds familiar) so they can go and make sure innocent people are not being hurt during their reverred leaders so called operation!
Get them out of THIS, our Country, let them practice the three monkey theory back home!

Ever stopped to think that having lived under a real communist regime they are still terrified of speaking out about anything?
That they came here to escape that but are smart enough to realise that Putin will have people here via Russian mafia or other networks that could enable an “accident” to occur.
Much like how in a cafe in certain parts of Wellington it could be unheslthy to be making bad comments about Jacinda or the greens or in a Wairoa/Gisborne pub talking about the mob.....

I recommend people read The Gulag Achipelago the author receiving the only ever Nobel peace prize for a work of literature. Alexander Solyhenyetsin survived WW2, cancer and the gulags.
It’s such horrific reading that two years later I haven’t finished reading it yet, it’s very heavy reading but everyone should know what’s possible when a leader/political party machine has absolute power and criticism (hate speech) is not allowed.

[Pursang]

“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

John Stuart Mill, inaugural address at the University of St. Andrews, 1867.


Granted, in Tsarist Russia, the USSR and in Putin's current kleptofacist state lying is universal, from the leader down to the lowest peasant pleb's child.
The silliest and most dangerous thing to ever do is "Tell the Truth". To be able to live in a society of continuous 'Life or Death' lies for many, many generations would require mental contortions likely produce permanent injuries (i.e. Inter-generational Trauma.) Wholesale consumption of vodka will numb the pain, but it would be interesting to see a study of the extent of fetal alcohol syndrome in the population.

Simply removing Putin will not solve the problem. Parliament + Bureaucracy + Intelligence Services + Military + Diplomats + Business + Media + Education + 144 million Vodka soaked, brain dead citizens who unquestioningly accept and believe and act as instructed on the whole Bull Shit narrative.

The place is rotten to the core. It will take generations of remedial therapy to turn Russia into a viable humanistic society.

[george formby]

“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

John Stuart Mill, inaugural address at the University of St. Andrews, 1867.


Here is a link to quotes from a man who truly knows the meaning of silence and doing nothing.

Elie Wiesel (https://qz.com/722671/one-person-of-integrity-can-make-a-difference-the-powerful-words-of-night-author-elie-wiesel/)

I have his book "Night" on the bookshelf, written about his experience in Auschwitz and Buchenwald. Horrific reading.

And here we are today... :brick:

[pritch]

How could you live outside of Russia for any length of time and still stubbornly stick to the party line, when your own eyes and ears Scream the truth all around you!

The only Ukrainian I know is of Russian descent and he originally supported the invasion. I've avoided discussing it with him lately so I don't know his current views.

Historically 'descendants' can be a problem, to a large extent the IRA were funded by American people of Irish descent sending cash to Ireland motivated by warm fuzzies. Nobody since great grandad had lived in Ireland, likely no living member of the family had even been there, but they supported the cause.

Similarly with India where there are a number of different groups with grievances simmering away. These groups receive funds from their expats living overseas.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder? Especially if you can support the cause with no danger to yourself.

[caseye]

The only Ukrainian I know is of Russian descent and he originally supported the invasion. I've avoided discussing it with him lately so I don't know his current views.

Historically 'descendants' can be a problem, to a large extent the IRA were funded by American people of Irish descent sending cash to Ireland motivated by warm fuzzies. Nobody since great grandad had lived in Ireland, likely no living member of the family had even been there, but they supported the cause.

Similarly with India where there are a number of different groups with grievances simmering away. These groups receive funds from their expats living overseas.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder? Especially if you can support the cause with no danger to yourself.

Do us/me a favour, go ask him how he feels now.
I understand exactly what you've said above and can see how it works, but us sitting on our hands and allowing that sort of thinking is doing us, no favours.
I'd move heaven and earth, I'd pay, if they agreed to go,to get a non believer out of NZ and over the to Ukraine, if it mean't they saw the realities of their old countries operation!:hug:

[Pursang]

Here is a link to quotes from a man who truly knows the meaning of silence and doing nothing.

Elie Wiesel (https://qz.com/722671/one-person-of-integrity-can-make-a-difference-the-powerful-words-of-night-author-elie-wiesel/)



These 2 are particularly relevant today:

“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

“Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men or women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must—at that moment—become the center of the universe.”

[pritch]

Do us/me a favour, go ask him how he feels now.



His wife counsels against that. His people were originally from Crimea, there are still family there. He talks to his grandad sometimes, apparently g'dad was happy when Russia annexed Crimea. Of course the old feller will know SFA about what's currently happening in Ukraine because his news comes from Russia.

[TheDemonLord]

“Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men or women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must—at that moment—become the center of the universe.”

So, The British Empire was a good thing then?

[Pursang]

So, The British Empire was a good thing then?

Not sure I understand the relevance??... Crimean War (1854)?, WW1. & WW2? (Maybe not the Boer war)

But anyway, B.E. was certainly a damn sight better than all the Russian ones!

Offspring of the British Empire generally seem to have 'prospered' better than those of contemporaries, say: Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, French, German, Belgian, Ottoman......

Back to Ukraine & Putin.

[Pursang]

https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/9/4/9/16632949.jpg

[Pursang]

Maxim Machine Gun - Delivering Deadly Kisses for 112 years.
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https://i.postimg.cc/13JjxgZT/IMG-20220412-213128-139.jpg

So, Ukraine is reported to have 35,000 of these in warehouses.
Bit heavy for modern style offensive warfare, but still a great defensive tool.
Will not fail you, unless you run out of ammunition, or water to cool the barrel.
(You can even use piss in it, in a pinch.)

If you didn't watch the documentary in post #262, here is the link again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd8NFftuXI
I'm more into history than guns, but this was well done!

[pete376403]

Maxim Machine Gun - Delivering Deadly Kisses for 112 years..
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So, Ukraine is reported to have 35,000 of these in warehouses.
Bit heavy for modern style offensive warfare, but still a great defensive tool.
Will not fail you, unless you run out of ammunition, or water to cool the barrel.
(You can even use piss in it, in a pinch.)

If you didn't watch the documentary in post #262, here is the link again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd8NFftuXI
I'm more into history than guns, but this was well done!

If you saw the excellent movie "Enemy at the Gate" you would have seen these being used by the NKVD to encourage the soldiers to keep moving forward.

[Swoop]

The Harold reports that the bulk of Russians living in NZ are suitably ashamed and embarressed and doing what they can to let their Ukranian neighbous know, they don't agree with Putin. While a small minority belive Phu-tin is their hero and will make Russia great again, all that he does is OK.

I'm currently working with two Russians. One of them is a total fan of Dictator Putin and believes everything coming out of his mouth. Sadly I see my workmate watching RT "news" (bullshit propaganda network) and refusing to look at other sources of information (French TV is quite well balanced on their reporting).
On the other hand a couple of Hungarian workmates have different views, like "Poo-tin? He's fucked in the head!"


The economic damage to Russia will take decades to recover from.

[release_the_bees]

I also work with a couple of Russians. The one guy who has discussed the topic openly said that he hopes Putin gets assassinated.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

[Pursang]

Moscow Struck and destroyed by Ukrainian missile attack!!

No, not the city, (Yet), but the warship, Moskva, former ('til today) flagship of the Black Sea fleet.
The same warship the Snake island defenders told to go fuck itself!

https://pbs.twimg.com/semantic_core_img/1514406653713522692/uL_5SPQT?format=jpg&name=small

This is a big deal as this ship was responsible for air, sea, and missile protection of the smaller Russian missile launching frigates, etc.
Little chance now of a sea assault on Odesa and no sea protection for Crimea when Ukraine is ready to take it back.

[Pursang]

Putin's Undies!

350953

[husaberg]

Wow that a definite sinking too, as even the Russiana are admitting it's abbandoed. although they are blaming it on a "fire".
Rather than a missile strike.

[TheDemonLord]

Wow that a definite sinking too, as even the Russiana are admitting it's abbandoed. although they are blaming it on a "fire".
Rather than a missile strike.

I suspect that is just Semantics - Most likely the missiles started the Fire and the Fire did the rest.

the USB and RN spend so much time and effort on proper firefighting procedures - in fact, the leaked video of the F35 crash recently - I believe it was 11 seconds from crash to firefighting foam being deployed.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWh6LRMvHgA

Analysis of the attack.

[pete376403]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWh6LRMvHgA

Analysis of the attack.

Are these guys paid by the minute or something? Not so much word salad as word coleslaw. A number of pertinent facts mixed up with a whole pile of speculation and repetition. Interesting once you cut through the dross.

[TheDemonLord]

Are these guys paid by the minute or something? Not so much word salad as word coleslaw. A number of pertinent facts mixed up with a whole pile of speculation and repetition. Interesting once you cut through the dross.

He does it for free - you may not know - but he's an Ex-Sonarman on a 688 Los Angeles class attack sub, he does waffle but his speculation often has a ring of truth to it.

[Pursang]

Infographic of the attack on the Moskva
https://i.ibb.co/qnVT22v/Screen-Shot-2022-04-14-at-8-22-32-PM.png

[Pursang]

Perhaps a little bit gratuitous for me. But then again, I'm not Ukrainian!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxVcokRghpE

Very well done though.

[Pursang]

On a lighter note! ( at least re Putin & Hitler)

If you watched the previous one, this will get the taste of blood out of your mouth....and leave something else!!

Can't find a video link to post so you need to go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukrainememes/comments/t8p3ja/p/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
(Don't forget to un-mute it.)

[pete376403]

NZ still holds the record for Russian tonnage sunk since 1950 (whether by accident or design)

[pritch]

Wow that a definite sinking too, as even the Russiana are admitting it's abbandoed. although they are blaming it on a "fire".
Rather than a missile strike.

Yeah. Russia said it wasn't a missile, but then they bombed the factory that made the missiles. Which is effectively an admission that it was a missile or missiles.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah. Russia said it wasn't a missile, but then they bombed the factory that made the missiles. Which is effectively an admission that it was a missile or missiles.

I've read somewhere or heard somewhere that apparently they figured out that the Moskva has a blindspot where it's point defence can't hit or target, and so they used Drones to get it to change course (as decoys) so that when the fired the Neptune, it would be in that blindspot.

Haven't seen anything confirming or denying this - but if true - that is some Top-Tier strategy from the Ukrainians.

[Pursang]

Ruzzian tank turret!
350966
A picture worth 1000 words.

[Pursang]

Danish member of the Ukrainian International Legion.
https://cdn.footboom.net/img/upload/4/93e29-zsu.jpeg

Wouldn't wish to come up against him if I was a spotty faced, 18 yo, baby raping, Ruzzian conscript.

[R650R]

I've read somewhere or heard somewhere that apparently they figured out that the Moskva has a blindspot where it's point defence can't hit or target, and so they used Drones to get it to change course (as decoys) so that when the fired the Neptune, it would be in that blindspot.

Haven't seen anything confirming or denying this - but if true - that is some Top-Tier strategy from the Ukrainians.

Or easily a series a failures like the USS Stark incident 1987, one of the crackers being the lookout who saw the flash of missile launch but thought it was sun glinting on waves!
Although an air attack with two Exocets its still startlingly similar.


https://youtu.be/Cwub7youCDU

[pritch]

I've read somewhere or heard somewhere that apparently they figured out that the Moskva has a blindspot where it's point defence can't hit or target, and so they used Drones to get it to change course (as decoys) so that when the fired the Neptune, it would be in that blindspot.

Haven't seen anything confirming or denying this - but if true - that is some Top-Tier strategy from the Ukrainians.

I read an article with photographs that said the main radar only covered 180 degrees at any one time. If the Ukrainians put up a suspicious drone to the south of the ship and it was watching it carefully with the main radar, two missiles at sea level from the north would easily be missed.

[TheDemonLord]

Danish member of the Ukrainian International Legion.

Wouldn't wish to come up against him if I was a spotty faced, 18 yo, baby raping, Ruzzian conscript.

I suspect I know several of the Bands he listens to...

[TheDemonLord]

I read an article with photographs that said the main radar only covered 180 degrees at any one time. If the Ukrainians put up a suspicious drone to the south of the ship and it was watching it carefully with the main radar, two missiles at sea level from the north would easily be missed.

hmmm either we read/heard the same source, it's referencing the same source - or that may have happened.

Either way, interesting times.

[R650R]

Another interesting related vid from American/British/Saudi forces successfully defending a couple of attacks from Saddam. It appears timely Intel is critical along with ships capabilities.
Of note is the British frigate having a systems failure at worst time.
Also an interesting cameo from The Mighty Jingles for world of warships fans, it seems he served active combat there in Royal Navy.
Worth watching til end for story of USA frigate auto targeting Missouri Chaff clouds in friendly fire incident....


https://youtu.be/DDfDnZ7FiZg

[Swoop]

Yeah. Russia said it wasn't a missile, but then they bombed the factory that made the missiles. Which is effectively an admission that it was a missile or missiles.

After the russian liars stated that it was NOT hit by a missile, I bet the Ukranians were pissed off that they wasted 2 Neptune missiles on a russian warship that was "already sinking"... :whistle:

Fun fact: The Neptune missile is a standard russian design (Kh-35) that was manufactured in Ukraine. After the russian regime collapsed in '91 the Ukrainian designers took the russian missile design and refined it somewhat.
Adding 50% more range and adding a lot more sophistication to it.


Question: Why the fuck is Poo-tin still alive? Come on brave russian person, kill this fucking dictator!

[caseye]

After the russian liars stated that it was NOT hit by a missile, I bet the Ukranians were pissed off that they wasted 2 Neptune missiles on a russian warship that was "already sinking"... :whistle:

Fun fact: The Neptune missile is a standard russian design (Kh-35) that was manufactured in Ukraine. After the russian regime collapsed in '91 the Ukrainian designers took the russian missile design and refined it somewhat.
Adding 50% more range and adding a lot more sophistication to it.


Question: Why the fuck is Poo-tin still alive? Come on brave russian person, kill this fucking dictator!

WHAT HE SAID!
Assinante him, SOON!:Punk::bash:

[Pursang]

In the Google Maps service, all military and strategic objects of Russia have become available in maximum resolution.

Now various intercontinental ballistic missile launch silos, command posts, secret training grounds, etc. can be viewed with a resolution of about 0.5 meters per pixel.

I found this Airbase in about 30secs looking at the nearest large Ruzzian town to Karkiv (That's Voronezh, about 200klm NE).
Nice assortment of gear on display, I wonder how much is in operational condition. If you look the taxi way is ripped up for repaving.
Google Earth shows most of the planes sitting in the same positions since around 2016.
Latest image 11/21 shows 20 of the blue fighters sitting on the main strip.

Imagine what NATO can see (and is closely watching).

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[Pursang]

NB65 have announced a successful Ransom attack on major Ruzzian Bank.

Network Battalion 65 (affiliated with Anonymous) have taken control of the bank using Ruzzian created hack software "Conti" and passwords stored on/in google chrome.
If the bank pays to recover its data, the ransom money goes to Ukraine

JSC Bank PSCB, you are now controlled by Network Battalion 65. We're very thankful that you store so many credentials in Chrome. Well done.

It's obvious that incident response has started. Good luck getting your data back without us.
Tell your government to GTFO of #Ukraine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQloHwYWYAghITJ?format=png&name=small

NON-STATE Actors.......Got to Love them!!

[pete376403]

The bank should have backups that will enable it to recover and continue normal operations. What they would be worried about is the data being leaked and its customers money being "diverted". Insurance will probably consider this an "act of war" and so not covered

[oldguy]

Proof: Zelensky REJECTED Peace With Russia

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[Laava]

NB65 have announced a successful Ransom attack on major Ruzzian Bank.

Network Battalion 65 (affiliated with Anonymous) have taken control of the bank using Ruzzian created hack software "Conti" and passwords stored on/in google chrome.
If the bank pays to recover its data, the ransom money goes to Ukraine

JSC Bank PSCB, you are now controlled by Network Battalion 65. We're very thankful that you store so many credentials in Chrome. Well done.

It's obvious that incident response has started. Good luck getting your data back without us.
Tell your government to GTFO of #Ukraine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQloHwYWYAghITJ?format=png&name=small

NON-STATE Actors.......Got to Love them!!
Hasn't made the news?

[husaberg]

Proof: Zelensky REJECTED Peace With Russia


https://www.azquotes.com/vangogh-image-quotes/81/8/Quotation-Groucho-Marx-Be-open-minded-but-not-so-open-minded-that-your-81-8-0816.jpg

[pritch]

Y’all may be aware that normally Google Earth and Google maps have many military bases blurred. This
ploicy has been suspended and Russian bases are now available to view. This has revealed that a percentage of the Russian airforce is made of life sized styrofoam models. This is obvious because the models are even worse maintained than their tanks and are visibly disintegrating.

[Pursang]

The bank should have backups that will enable it to recover and continue normal operations. What they would be worried about is the data being leaked and its customers money being "diverted". Insurance will probably consider this an "act of war" and so not covered

From their Twitter messages to the Bank Data recovery (blue) Team

NB65@xxNB65

Backups gone.

Access to funds: obviously.

Fuck you and your government.

SLAVA UKRAINE.

These kind of Hijacks take control of the operating program and the data then encrypt it all so it can't be accessed without a key.
So, unless the bank has current back-ups of everything on a room full of floppy discs, they are SOL!

The data (about 800Gb) will be dumped online in the next couple of days.

Laava - No mainstream media yet. When it does, Ruzzia will claim that the Bank accidentally caught fire, was still afloat, all funds were safely evacuated, then it all sunk while towing it home in a storm.

[oldguy]

https://www.azquotes.com/vangogh-image-quotes/81/8/Quotation-Groucho-Marx-Be-open-minded-but-not-so-open-minded-that-your-81-8-0816.jpg

Still better to be open minded.

[Pursang]

Proof: Zelensky REJECTED Peace With Russi
https://funvizeo.com/media/memes/ceb805a26032c4f5/and-we-call-those-people-useful-idiots-fursten-fin-meme-cde640013d0b1e5f-c33290102daf7a85.jpg

[pete376403]

From their Twitter messages to the Bank Data recovery (blue) Team

NB65@xxNB65

Backups gone.

Access to funds: obviously.

Fuck you and your government.

SLAVA UKRAINE.

These kind of Hijacks take control of the operating program and the data then encrypt it all so it can't be accessed without a key.
So, unless the bank has current back-ups of everything on a room full of floppy discs, they are SOL!

The data (about 800Gb) will be dumped online in the next couple of days.

Laava - No mainstream media yet. When it does, Ruzzia will claim that the Bank accidentally caught fire, was still afloat, all funds were safely evacuated, then it all sunk while towing it home in a storm.

Yes I understand how ransomware affects systems - I work for a company that was attacked. The backups were air-gapped (tape) so unaffected and we were back to a point (about 6 hours before the attack) within a day. This was in the early days of ransomeware so we believe all they did was encrypt, not download to spread around the internet. Obviously the malware had become a lot more sophisticated since then. Incidentally many people would consider tape storage as old tech, but an 800Gb dump would only be a fraction of a single modern LTO tape cartridge

[Pursang]

UB65 Russian bank Hijack update.

Reporting that they captured another 130Gb of data before the bank got back control of the server.

Organizing a partner to host the data (now up to 870Gb)

Data will contain internal emails and passwords for hundreds of Ruzzian companies and Govt agencies, etc.

There's more than one way to skin an Orc!

[Pursang]

According to Russian MoD website,
the main objective of SMO is no longer denazifying Ukraine,
or liberation of Donbas and Donetsk, but
"to defend Russia from Western countries military threat".

Talk about creating your own Self-fullfilling Prophecy!

[Pursang]

For anyone interested in the 'Real' reasons for the Ruzzia/Ukraine war. Nothing to do with geopolitics, security, etc. (just excuses)
Almost impossible for our western minds to comprehend, it is a conflict of two historically incompatible cultures.

A Ruzzian culture of 'belonging' by fitting in and submitting to the will of the Empire, personified by the Tsar (currently Putin).
(Easy to see why there is fraternal support by China)

A Ukrainian one of personal agency, collective action and political participation.
Historically, Ukrainians even elected their own priests. For centuries, the local priest was your Facebook, Twitter, etc.
(Easy to see why Ukraine has western sympathy & support)

The Ruzzian problem with Ukraine is that it 'Exists' (and since rejecting a Russian puppet government was starting to thrive).
Ukrainians are just inferior Ruzzians who need to be brutally crushed, shown the error of their ways and be taught to submissively belong to the Empire.
This Policy is detailed in the State document. See post #263 https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tvc9kq/russian_state_news_agency_published_a_piece/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

For full and fascinating explanations read the tweets by Kamil Galeevi . https://twitter.com/kamilkazani

[1/32 man]

Nailed it, Pursang.

[pritch]

For anyone interested in the 'Real' reasons for the Ruzzia/Ukraine war. Nothing to do with geopolitics, security, etc. (just excuses)
Almost impossible for our western minds to comprehend, it is a conflict of two historically incompatible cultures.

A Ruzzian culture of 'belonging' by fitting in and submitting to the will of the Empire, personified by the Tsar (currently Putin).
(Easy to see why there is fraternal support by China)

A Ukrainian one of personal agency, collective action and political participation.
Historically, Ukrainians even elected their own priests. For centuries, the local priest was your Facebook, Twitter, etc.
(Easy to see why Ukraine has western sympathy & support)

The Ruzzian problem with Ukraine is that it 'Exists' (and since rejecting a Russian puppet government was starting to thrive).
Ukrainians are just inferior Ruzzians who need to be brutally crushed, shown the error of their ways and be taught to submissively belong to the Empire.
This Policy is detailed in the State document. See post #263 https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tvc9kq/russian_state_news_agency_published_a_piece/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

For full and fascinating explanations read the tweets by Kamil Galeevi . https://twitter.com/kamilkazani

Good post. I particularly liked the reference to the priest as a source of news. The phrase "movers and shakers" is these days commonly used to describe politicians and captains of industry and the like. Originally the phrase referred to the poets and troubadors who travelled the country visiting towns and villages, bringing with them news of the outside world.

[husaberg]

Oleg Tinkov

Russian Oleg Tinkov, the sanctioned founder of the digital lender TCS Group Holding Plc, slammed the war in Ukraine in a curse-filled rant on Instagram, a rare example of a prominent businessman publicly criticizing President Vladimir Putin’s invasion.
In 2014, he was ranked the 15th-richest person in Russia, with an estimated net worth of $8.2 billion. In 2022 his wealth was reassessed at $0.8 billion
“I don’t see a single beneficiary from this insane war. Innocent people and soldiers are dying,”
He wrote on his Instagram page, on 19 April 2022, in Russian:



"The generals, waking up with a hangover, realized that they had a shit army,"

"I don't see a single beneficiary of this crazy war! Innocent people and soldiers are dying,"

"Of course there are morons who draw Z, but 10% of any country are morons. 90% of Russians are AGAINST this war!"

"Kremlin officials are shocked that neither they or their children will be off to the Mediterranean in the summer. Businessmen are trying to save the rest of their property,"

Finally in English:

"Dear 'collective West' please give Mr. Putin a clear exit to save his face and stop this massacre. Please be more rational and humanitarian.

Aluminum billionaire Oleg Deripaska, who has been sanctioned since 2018, has also publicly called for peace.

[Pursang]

Finally in English:

"Dear 'collective West' please give Mr. Putin a clear exit to save his face and stop this massacre. Please be more rational and humanitarian.

What a load of self serving Crap!!!

Putin controls the Message in Russia. 'Reality' for Ruzzians is what he say's it is.

He created the False narrative that produced the war.

He can easily CREATE a NEW ONE to save his own Face, within Ruzzia.

As far as his Face goes in the rest of the world, he no longer has one worth having! He will be lucky to Save his Arse!

[Pursang]

Felt Inspired!

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[Pursang]

UNBELIEVABLE - SELF CONFESSION / INCRIMINATION

Reddit r/Ukraine 11201
Posted byUkrainian Hardliner
u/VolontaireVeritas
7 hours ago

Russian Protest
Yet another Russian political activist has been arrested for standing with "No to Nazism" sign next to "Children Victims to Fascism" memorial
- police got him charged with "Discrediting Russian Army"

I had to read it 3 times. Would be interesting to see it tried in a 'real' court. (Unfortunately for him, he's in Putin's Ruzzia)

[Swoop]

Proof: Zelensky REJECTED Peace With Russia
Excellent!
russian forces need to be expelled entirely from Ukrainian soil. Not some sort of "pacification deal" where russia will return in the future.
Kick the communist scum out!

From their Twitter messages to the Bank Data recovery (blue) Team

NB65@xxNB65

Backups gone.

Access to funds: obviously.

Fuck you and your government.

SLAVA UKRAINE..
Anonymous delared war on russia in the initial phase of this invasion.
Possibly not the people dictator poo-tin wanted to go to war against.

[husaberg]

Excellent!
russian forces need to be expelled entirely from Ukrainian soil. Not some sort of "pacification deal" where russia will return in the future.
Kick the communist scum out!



Russia is about as far from communism as it possible could be, it is a conservative right-wing dictatorship.
Quite recently, far-right French presidential candidate Eric Zemmour called Putin a brave nationalist defending his country against NATO.
Former U.S. President Donald Trump famously called Putin a “genius.”
The party is explicitly nationalistic conservative Putin has attacked globalism and economic liberalism as well as scientific and technological progress

it was formed from the unity party which was Conservative Right-wing party.

but i do agree the only way to to what will be a continued encroachment is to kick out the Russian scum

[Laava]

UNBELIEVABLE - SELF CONFESSION / INCRIMINATIONI had to read it 3 times. Would be interesting to see it tried in a 'real' court. (Unfortunately for him, he's in Putin's Ruzzia)

I am sure it will be trial by ordeal.
"If innocent, this powder wont turn you and your family into zombies!"

[Pursang]

No So Bad!

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[1/32 man]

The mafia like structure of power that Putin has created will be his downfall.
We can tell he is shitting his boots.

Death to pooti.....as soon as possible.


Anybody watch the recent movie, "Death of Stalin" ?
English dialogue, western actors.

[pete376403]

The mafia like structure of power that Putin has created will be his downfall.
We can tell he is shitting his boots.

Death to pooti.....as soon as possible.

Anybody watch the recent movie, "Death of Stalin" ?
English dialogue, western actors.

If, as claimed, Putin has cancer then maybe his end game is to take the world with him. If that is the case it will be up to the generals and oligarchs to prevent this happening

[pzkpfw]

If, as claimed, Putin has cancer then maybe his end game is to take the world with him. If that is the case it will be up to the generals and oligarchs to prevent this happening

I've seen people claim (also based on Putin knowing his end is near; Parkinson's is another thing people see in his general body language etc) that he wants to re-build the Russian empire (whichever one; soviet, tsarist, ...) before he's gone. Leave a legacy.

If he just wanted to burn the World he could have escalated way further much sooner.

Same thing though, it needs the people around him to see that he's making things enough worse (for them, if not Russia) that they need to stop him.

[Pursang]

Something for Orthodox Easter

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[oldguy]

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[Pursang]

https://www.wearethemighty.com/uploads/legacy/assets.rbl.ms/17289037/origin.jpg

[pzkpfw]

I am too a biting political commentatorer.

[Pursang]

I wish I had thought of this one!
https://www.africahunting.com/attachments/img-20220310-wa0024-jpg.456595/

[Pursang]

The Secret Plot!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/WEBPOSTS/Secret+Plot.jpg

[Swoop]

Russia is about as far from communism as it possible could be, it is a conservative right-wing dictatorship.
:killingme::killingme:killingme:killingme:

[husaberg]

:killingme::killingme:killingme:killingme:

So just because Putin is a dictator and he represents a party that was formed from a Conservative Right-wing party. of course It's not a right-wing dictatorship in your eyes.... interesting..... exactly what shit are you smoking.
That's pretty much as stupid as when TLDR claimed Hitlers party was left wing.


Communist Party of Germany
Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands
The KPD was banned in the Weimar Republic one day after the Nazi Party emerged triumphant in the German elections in 1933.
The KPD suffered heavy losses between 1933 and 1939, with 30,000 communists executed and 150,000 sent to Nazi concentration camps


Vladimir Putin is ramping up his brutal assault on Ukraine, shelling civilians from Odessa to Kharkiv, and leveling the port city of Mariupol — leading President Joe Biden to denounce the Russian dictator as a “war criminal.” But if the initial days of the war were marked by some conservatives muting their admiration for the Russian state, a spate of notorious right-wing figures are now dropping the mask to defend Putin, and even claim his fight as their own

Over the weekend, former Trump adviser Roger Stone, MAGA media maven Cassandra MacDonald (née Fairbanks), and former Staind rocker Aaron Lewis all spoke out to praise Putin, denounce Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky — or both. This week, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene joined the parade, blaming Ukraine for getting itself invaded, while insisting that the war is a lost cause and that Putin is “being very successful” in Ukraine. Then Lara Logan, the former “60 Minutes” correspondent who has her own show on the streaming service Fox Nation, trumped them all, touting Putin as a heroic global actor, declaring: “He’s the man who is standing between us and this New World Order.”


Four years ago, long before Eric Zemmour became the most sulfurous of the far-right candidates in France’s current presidential election campaign, the TV pundit told reporters that he dreamed of a “French Putin” and regretted that there wasn’t one.


Tucker Carlson. Democrats in Washington have told you you have a patriotic duty to hate Vladimir Putin. … Anything less than hatred of Putin is treason … hating Putin has become the central purpose of America’s foreign policy.”
Fox News' Tucker Carlson, who in 2019 declared he was "root[ing] for Russia" in its conflict with Ukraine


Steve Bannonwho ran Donald Trump’s first presidential campaign already confirmed it. Explaining his admiration for the Russian dictator last month, Mr. Bannon said, “Putin ain’t woke—he is anti-woke.” Translation: What the Russian president thinks about gay and transgender rights is more important than what he does to other countries and to his own people. Culture war über alles—the all-but-official theme of this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference that convened two weeks ago in Orlando, Fla.


former President Donald Trump, who hailed Mr. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “savvy” and “genius” in a radio interview a few days before the conference. ) Mr. Trump explained why the invasion is a smart move to attendees at an event at Mar-a-Lago: “He’s taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. . . . He’s taking over a country—really a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with a lot of people, and just walking right in.”


it has been grimly amusing to watch these right-wing opportunists try to explain away all the fawning quotes and damning pictures.
Some of the greatest offenders—Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, Hungary’s Viktor Orbán, the UK’s Nigel Farage—have spent the last three weeks trying to reinvent themselves as staunch defenders of Ukraine. A select few have doubled down on their idiocy, chief among them Thierry Baudet in the Netherlands and Tucker Carlson from the land of Fox News. White nationalists aside, Putin’s once formidable alliance of global sympathizers has been hemorrhaging support by the day.


The Far Right’s Dilemma

Moscow used to be the Mecca of the far right. Any figure with hopes of making a name in right-wing politics was once desperate to shake hands with Vladimir Putin, snag a photo, and establish some kind of tie with Putin’s political party, United Russia.

Matteo Salvini, for instance, used anti-immigration sentiment to transform Lega from a splinter group of northern separatists to a far-right force in Italian politics. In 2017, Salvini traveled to Moscow to sign a cooperation agreement with United Russia, which included a pledge to work on removing sanctions against Russia for its seizure of Crimea and actions in the Donbas. Putin’s plan at the time: funnel oil money into Lega to amplify its voice as a Russian mouthpiece.

[F5 Dave]

Jesus mam learn some history. Communism always becomes a totalitarian state. Its a failed social experiment.

Poo-tin is as much a dictator as Stalin was.


Very much.

[TheDemonLord]

PO just because Putin is a dictator and he represents was formed from a Conservative Right-wing party. Its not a right-wing dictatorship in your eyes interesting..... exactly what shit are you smoking.
That's pretty much as stupid as when TLDR claimed Hitlers party was left wing.

Except Hitler was first a Marxist, all the fascists were first Marxists and funniest of all, if you take sections of Mein Kampf and replace the words Aryan with (insert oppressed people here) and replace with word 'jew' with the phrase 'straight white male' - all the Radical Left-wing types love it...

And before you 'Oh but the Red shirts and the Brown shirts therefore...' - I'll retort with 'The Protestants and the Catholics therefore...'

As a little experiment - here's some ideas that might have been lifted from Radical Left-wing sources and might be lifted from foundational texts of Fascism. I'll concede the point if you can identify which came from where:

- universal suffrage, Which includes women's suffrage
- proportional representation
- Mandating an 8 hour work day, for all workers
- a minimum or living wage,
- worker representation, particularly within management,
- Strong support for Labour Unions
- Progressive tax on capital
- confiscation of the property of religious institutions

[pete376403]

Jesus mam learn some history. Communism always becomes a totalitarian state. Its a failed social experiment.

Poo-tin is as much a dictator as Stalin was.


Very much.
Animal Farm by George Orwell if trying to explain this to children (or tiny minds)

[TheDemonLord]

Animal Farm by George Orwell if trying to explain this to children (or tiny minds)

It's a sad state of affairs when so many have forgotten that Orwell's work was meant to be a dire warning... Not an instruction manual.

[Pursang]

More of the Same..But Twice as bad! (& 12 times as Quick!)

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[Pursang]

"all the fascists were first Marxists" ......

Oops! Well, Ok! Not The First one!

Rise to power of Benito Mussolini

Wounded while serving with the bersaglieri (a corps of sharpshooters), he returned home a convinced antisocialist and a man with a sense of destiny. As early as February 1918, he advocated the emergence of a dictator—“a man who is ruthless and energetic enough to make a clean sweep”—to confront the economic and political crisis then gripping Italy. Three months later, in a widely reported speech in Bologna, he hinted that he himself might prove to be such a man. The following year the nucleus of a party prepared to support his ambitious idea was formed in Milan. In an office in Piazza San Sepolcro, about 200 assorted republicans, anarchists, syndicalists, discontented socialists, restless revolutionaries, and discharged soldiers met to discuss the establishment of a new force in Italian politics. Mussolini called this force the fasci di combattimento (“fighting bands”), groups of fighters bound together by ties as close as those that secured the fasces of the lictors—the symbols of ancient Roman authority. So fascism was created and its symbol devised. (Source Britannica.com)

There are many paths to a Fascist State,
Both the farther ends of the political spectrum vehemently deny the Horseshoe effect. (for obvious reasons.)

For those of us in the Centrist zone the circle or compass is a good analogy. (This one is missing the "Thick" line through the middle on Antivax)

https://i.imgur.com/8JrCVzI.png

[TheDemonLord]

"all the fascists were first Marxists" ......

Oops! Well, Ok! Not The First one!

Rise to power of Benito Mussolini

Wounded while serving with the bersaglieri (a corps of sharpshooters), he returned home a convinced antisocialist and a man with a sense of destiny. As early as February 1918, he advocated the emergence of a dictator—“a man who is ruthless and energetic enough to make a clean sweep”—to confront the economic and political crisis then gripping Italy. Three months later, in a widely reported speech in Bologna, he hinted that he himself might prove to be such a man. The following year the nucleus of a party prepared to support his ambitious idea was formed in Milan. In an office in Piazza San Sepolcro, about 200 assorted republicans, anarchists, syndicalists, discontented socialists, restless revolutionaries, and discharged soldiers met to discuss the establishment of a new force in Italian politics. Mussolini called this force the fasci di combattimento (“fighting bands”), groups of fighters bound together by ties as close as those that secured the fasces of the lictors—the symbols of ancient Roman authority. So fascism was created and its symbol devised. (Source Britannica.com)

There's *quite* a few key omitted details.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Political_journalist,_intellectua l_and_socialist


Mussolini thought of himself as an intellectual and was considered to be well-read. He read avidly; his favorites in European philosophy included Sorel, the Italian Futurist Filippo Tommaso Marinetti, French Socialist Gustave Hervé, Italian anarchist Errico Malatesta, and German philosophers Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx, the founders of Marxism.

As I said, All the Fascists were first Marxists. And I'll be more than happy to back that claim and point to any of the Italian philosophers who founded the movement and quote their Marxist roots.


There are many paths to a Fascist State

And they all start with Marxism or variants thereof. Collectivist ideology, whereby Group A is pitted against Group B for some version of original Sin.


Both the farther ends of the political spectrum vehemently deny the Horseshoe effect. (for obvious reasons.)

For those of us in the Centrist zone the circle or compass is a good analogy. (This one is missing the "Thick" line through the middle on Antivax)


See, Horseshoe theory is interesting - but when you compare the British Liberal traditions (both Political and philosophical) where the focus is on the individual, you never end up in the same realm as the Communists or Fascists. Therefore I don't believe in it's validity as a theory.

Not only that, but the graph (whilst amusing) is demonstrably wrong on a number of Key points.

[Pursang]

And they all start with Marxism or variants thereof. Collectivist ideology, whereby Group A is pitted against Group B for some version of original Sin.


Well, I'm Glad that that's all sorted out!

We have no need to be concerned when the conservative, Don't tread on me, climate change denying, Alt right, NeoCon, Corporate Fundamentalists vote Trump back into office and install him as 'President for Life'. At least it won't be a Fascist State!

Might need to watch out when the religious fundamentalists combine with right wing voters, politicians and a hand picked, conservative Supreme Court (say Group A) to collectively deny the rights of Women (say Group B) for the 'Sin' of unwanted pregnancy. (But that can't happen 'cos that would be ... Marxist?)

Marx himself must be almost magic. You only need to Read his work and you automatically become a Marxist!
And of course, being considered to be intellectual and well read is another Marxist Gateway. Much better, conservatively speaking, to be Thick and Ignorant.

[Pursang]

Problem Solved!
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[TheDemonLord]

Well, I'm Glad that that's all sorted out!

We have no need to be concerned when the conservative, Don't tread on me, climate change denying, Alt right, NeoCon, Corporate Fundamentalists vote Trump back into office and install him as 'President for Life'. At least it won't be a Fascist State!

I mean, I'd be fine with Trump back in office - life was demonstrably significantly better when he was in charge. Petrol was cheap, Inflation was sensible and Putin didn't invade.

I'm inclined to believe based on your previous posts that you aren't a fan of the war in Ukraine, so it stands to reason to point out that after the Annexation of Crimea - Russia didn't try anything whilst Trump was in office...

But let's pick those claims apart, because some of them don't bear a little scrutiny:

'Don't Tread on me' - This statement is essentially 'Respect my Natural rights' - an entirely conservative principle.

'Climate change denying' - Most often this accusation is leveled at people such as myself, who point to every alarmist Climate prediction that did not come to fruition since about the 1960s and respond to the current crop of climate alarmism as 'Boys crying Wolf'.
More specifically, the Conservative position is that we shouldn't be wasting billions (or in some cases, Trillions) of dollars of Tax Payer money on the pet projects the middle/upper class.

'Alt Right' - So, you are aware that the Alt Right leader voted for Biden, yes? And that the they essentially agree with the Critical Race Theorists on everything except on the question as to who should be on top (they believe it should be the White Race, the CRT types believe it should be PoC), it might have 'right' in the title, but there is nothing Conservative about their ideology.

'NeoCons' - They are an interesting bunch, on the one hand I tend to agree that if you leave evil alone, it tends to flourish - whereas if you enforce things like the Rule of Law globally - it is best for everyone, for example the Pax Romana or Pax Britannica. The biggest critique is that many of them were former-left wingers who got smacked in the face by a dose of reality, without renouncing some of the ideas that lead them to that place in the first instance. In some ways they are like the current TERF movement with the 'If you want my X, respect my Sex'.

Corporatism- Given the relationship between Corporate interests and Government regulation/intervention - the best topical example being how Amazon, MS, Netflix etc. made serious bank off of the Lockdowns, but small businesses went bankrupt - I'm not sure how this can be considered truly 'Right Wing'. Capitalist for sure, but it's not espousing the individualist principles of minimal/limited government. In fact, the definition of Corporatism is that it is a Collectivist ideology - which puts in squarely in the Left Wing.

Finally - Fundamentalism - This is perhaps more tricky to define - which Fundamentalism? Religious? Political? More broadly - it's the absolute adherence to a set of Laws. You could say that the Supreme Court is a fundamentalist institution in reference to the Constitution. If the Aspect that is being Fundamentally adhered to is the individualist principles of British Liberal Conservatism, then yes - it absolutely belongs on that diagram and in the position that it's placed. If, however, what is being strictly enforced is any form of Group identity, then it does not belong.


Might need to watch out when the religious fundamentalists combine with right wing voters, politicians and a hand picked, conservative Supreme Court (say Group A) to collectively deny the rights of Women (say Group B) for the 'Sin' of unwanted pregnancy. (But that can't happen 'cos that would be ... Marxist?)

I'm going to preface this with 'I'm Pro-Choice' and that my personal opinion is that a Feotus cannot be called 'life' until it is capable surviving outside of the Womb. With a Caveat that this line will be forever moving as Medical Technology increases, to the point where I will be forced on this principle to agree with the religious view that life begins at conception.

However on Roe v Wade - there are some fundamental questions:

1: Does the Constituion and the 14th Amendment grant that access to Abortion is a federally protected right? The argument in the decision was around privacy, which from a purely legal stand point, I do not think covers Abortion.

Now, before Husa starts sperging out on 'knows more than the Supreme Court' - reading the history of the justices after the decision is quite interesting, Justice Blackmun had some choice words to say about the case: "It was a serious mistake ... We did a poor job. I think the committee should have deferred them until we had a full Court", although to be clear - he did still stand by the framework he used to reach the decision.

There are a good number of Legal Scholars who otherwise agree with unrestricted access to Abortion who took great issue with the Roe v Wade decision because of the means by which the decision was reached.

And it seems that the current supreme court is inclined to agree with my position.

2: If it is not a Federally protected right, it doesn't mean that it's therefore illegal - it just means that individual states can decide this issue for themselves, so a State might make all Abortion illegal or restrict the number of weeks or the reasons that it can be done.

Finally - and this is specifically in regards to your point - this is not a 'Group rights' issues, it is an individual issue - and at the core of it, is the question:

Does a Feotus have individual rights? If the answer is Yes, then the state is obligated to protect them (and therefore Abortion is illegal), even at the expense of Bodily Autonomy of the Mother 'The right to swing your fist in public ends where my nose begins'.

I've stated my position that I do not believe that a Feotus gains these rights until it is capable of surviving outside of the Womb.


Marx himself must be almost magic. You only need to Read his work and you automatically become a Marxist!
And of course, being considered to be intellectual and well read is another Marxist Gateway. Much better, conservatively speaking, to be Thick and Ignorant.

I mean, Shall I post up that he was raised by a life-long Socialist, or that he was a member of the Italian Socialist party or that he was considered a leading Socialist Philosopher?

Because the more you try and ridicule me, the more I'm happy to post up the details about Mussolini's early life... And while we are at it, let's raise the person who helped write the Doctrine of Fascism with Mussolini: Giovanni Gentile:


but also strongly influenced and mentored by the German idealist and materialist schools of thought – namely Karl Marx, Hegel, and Fichte

[Pursang]

Because the more you try and ridicule me,..... :

My apologies. It is not my intention to have ridiculed anyone personally, or their philosophies, in this thread.... Except Putin, his Minions, Apologists & Supporters.

Cheers, Daryl.

[sugilite]

Oh bruh, you gone done over egged the pudding and scared away a potential combatant :facepalm:. May I suggest next time you come out with a parapet of text rather than a east/west German border sized wall of text :done:


I mean, I'd be fine with Trump back in office - life was demonstrably significantly better when he was in charge. Petrol was cheap, Inflation was sensible and Putin didn't invade.
Riiiight, because had Trump won 2020 instead of losing by a landslide, petrol would still be cheap and there would be no inflation - riiiiiight. As for Putin invading or not, highly subjective at best.



'Don't Tread on me' - This statement is essentially 'Respect my Natural rights' - an entirely conservative principle.
Well, blow me down, respect natural rights is entirely a conservative principle, so a concept never before ever considered until the conservative movement appeared? Riiiight :laugh:


'Climate change denying' - Most often this accusation is leveled at people such as myself, who point to every alarmist Climate prediction that did not come to fruition since about the 1960s and respond to the current crop of climate alarmism as 'Boys crying Wolf'.
Oh really? So lets create a scenario where there is two investment properties available of equal caliber, you only have the funds available to buy one. One property is right on the water front, it has never had any issues with flooding from the sea thus far. The other property is also on the water front, just atop a rocky cliff, say 10 meters higher than sea level. Which one would you purchase as a long term investment. As an aside, which one will be insurable the longest? I guess one advantage for you to live right by the sea, is an endless amount of sand for you to bury your head in :innocent:


'Alt Right' - So, you are aware that the Alt Right leader voted for Biden, yes?
Ahhh, you are rolling out this old chestnut again, conveniently forgetting to add it was in fact a protest vote against Trump for killing Iranian Qassem Soleimani. I especially applaud the way you frame it as tacitly implying the whole alt right must of voted the same as their leader did, bravo :laugh:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8912091/White-supremacist-Richard-Spencer-votes-Joe-Biden-tweets-hell-libertarian-ideology.html
I found the above gem with a few seconds of googling, I wonder how many other of your dubious claims would stand up under scrutiny?


And that the they essentially agree with the Critical Race Theorists on everything except on the question as to who should be on top (they believe it should be the White Race, the CRT types believe it should be PoC), it might have 'right' in the title, but there is nothing Conservative about their ideology.

About a decade ago, I was getting questions about artifacts being used in satanism, so I thought I should look into what it actually is, and that was a real eye opener as it was 90+% in line with Christianity. Same eco system I guess. sometimes seemingly strange bedfellows are not that strange.

[TheDemonLord]

Riiiight, because had Trump won 2020 instead of losing by a landslide, petrol would still be cheap and there would be no inflation - riiiiiight. As for Putin invading or not, highly subjective at best.

Petrol would be cheaper because one of Trump's key policies (which Biden revoked) was for the US to be Energy Independent. If you're making your own, instead of buying from the market, that means there's less demand on the Market, therefore price goes down.

Inflation - Biden's Covid Policies pretty much caused this, so....
And Putin - he's only invaded other countries under the Democrat watch, so....


Well, blow me down, respect natural rights is entirely a conservative principle, so a concept never before ever considered until the conservative movement appeared? Riiiight :laugh:

It is. The concept traces it's roots to Hobbes and Locke, via British Liberalism - which is a cornerstone of Conservative thought - small government, individual rights etc. etc.


Oh really? So lets create a scenario where there is two investment properties available of equal caliber, you only have the funds available to buy one. One property is right on the water front, it has never had any issues with flooding from the sea thus far. The other property is also on the water front, just atop a rocky cliff, say 10 meters higher than sea level. Which one would you purchase as a long term investment. As an aside, which one will be insurable the longest? I guess one advantage for you to live right by the sea, is an endless amount of sand for you to bury your head in :innocent:

Depends on where we are talking - In NZ I'm far more concerned about the possibility of a Tsunami or other seismic event than I am about rising sea levels.

In the UK - it would be Beach front all the way.

(well... what passes for Beaches in the UK anyway...)


Ahhh, you are rolling out this old chestnut again, conveniently forgetting to add it was in fact a protest vote against Trump for killing Iranian Qassem Soleimani. I especially applaud the way you frame it as tacitly implying the whole alt right must of voted the same as their leader did, bravo :laugh:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8912091/White-supremacist-Richard-Spencer-votes-Joe-Biden-tweets-hell-libertarian-ideology.html
I found the above gem with a few seconds of googling, I wonder how many other of your dubious claims would stand up under scrutiny?

Okay - bear with me for a second:

Can you explain why a self-avowed White Supremacist would be upset over the killing of an Iranian (who is not White)? Please, I'll wait.

And furthermore - If someone says 'To Hell with Libertarian Ideology' and then votes for Biden and against Trump - what does that say as to which candidate is the Libertarian Candidate?

At their core, the Alt Right believe in a collectivist ideology - that is of a White Race/Group. Collectivism is an explicitly Left Wing idea. It might have 'Right' in the title, but it's philosophy does not stand upon the individual liberal principles.

Hence his actions.


About a decade ago, I was getting questions about artifacts being used in satanism, so I thought I should look into what it actually is, and that was a real eye opener as it was 90+% in line with Christianity. Same eco system I guess. sometimes seemingly strange bedfellows are not that strange.

Satanists are a weird bunch.

There's the Religious Satanists who, as you say, believe in pretty much the same things as Christians.
There's the Philosophical Satanists who are more about extreme self-reliance, free from the limitations imposed on the individual by Religion (These are your La-Vey Satanists types).

[Pursang]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPvRQklWUAYEBwD.png

[sugilite]

Petrol would be cheaper because one of Trump's key policies (which Biden revoked) was for the US to be Energy Independent. If you're making your own, instead of buying from the market, that means there's less demand on the Market, therefore price goes down.
Fair enough, though I highly suspect the US oil companies would of jacked prices up at least some amount.


Inflation - Biden's Covid Policies pretty much caused this, so....
Bullshit, Trump was printing money too, remember how he wanted his name on those checks that went out to everyone?


And Putin - he's only invaded other countries under the Democrat watch, so....
Actually, soooo nothing. It is highly subjective at best, as I'm sure you are well aware. Besides, as you point out yourself, Trump is war averse (one of his few good qualities), so hardly projecting a barrier to Putin to not invade. I can only speculate the following, but I'm sure Putins invasion would have gone forward even if Trump had won in 2020.



It is. The concept traces it's roots to Hobbes and Locke, via British Liberalism - which is a cornerstone of Conservative thought - small government, individual rights etc. etc.
A very pompous reply, as if they were the first to think of such a concept :laugh: You are not doing the conservative stereotypes and favors here.



Depends on where we are talking - In NZ I'm far more concerned about the possibility of a Tsunami or other seismic event than I am about rising sea levels.

In the UK - it would be Beach front all the way.

(well... what passes for Beaches in the UK anyway...)

Insurance companies do not agree with you, as they know full well to do otherwise will be the end of them. They have to face up to reality, where as you can post frivolous comments to support your arguments without consequence.



Can you explain why a self-avowed White Supremacist would be upset over the killing of an Iranian (who is not White)? Please, I'll wait.

No need to wait, as I simply do not need to comment as he himself has already stated it was a protest vote. May I suggest you take it up with him if you wish to know his true state of mind? My point was rather you were assigning this statement over many threads, missing out the fact it was not him voting for Biden because he is a closet democrat, but rather a protest vote against Trump. Very poor form there ole chap. The truth certainly does not support the spirit of the arguments you were putting forward.

[Pursang]

On a Lighter Note....But a PUTIN theme!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmN4cLRTeX8

[TheDemonLord]

Fair enough, though I highly suspect the US oil companies would of jacked prices up at least some amount.

Sure - but this was one of Trump's key policies - Energy Independence for the US. Which Biden quashed.


Bullshit, Trump was printing money too, remember how he wanted his name on those checks that went out to everyone?

He was, but this is the difference between someone turning a tap on (Trump) and someone blowing up the Rohr Dam (Biden). I believe that one Metric is that under the Biden Administration, they have printed more money than in the history of the US.


Actually, soooo nothing. It is highly subjective at best, as I'm sure you are well aware. Besides, as you point out yourself, Trump is war averse (one of his few good qualities), so hardly projecting a barrier to Putin to not invade. I can only speculate the following, but I'm sure Putins invasion would have gone forward even if Trump had won in 2020.

He was anti War, but he made it clear - you either play nice and civilized, or you get a visit from a friendly Drone. The age old 'Fuck around and find out' method. And it turns out, you only have to do it once or twice for people to sit up and pay attention.

I also get to add in that Biden's shambolic withdrawal from Afghanistan seriously hurt America's military prestige globally - which just emboldens people - if they think you are weak or incapable, they'll push their luck. Which is what Putin did, what Rocket Man is trying to do.


A very pompous reply, as if they were the first to think of such a concept :laugh: You are not doing the conservative stereotypes and favors here.

There have been some civilizations that have had a limited concept of rights (Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece) but these generally only applied to Citizens or Free Men. That is - these rights were granted conditionally by the state, which is a very important distinction between Continental Philosophy and English Philosophy.

The idea of a Natural right, that you are born with, that is universal to everyone is entirely an English Liberal concept. I don't dispute that there is a long chain of thought behind this concept - but this notion is unique to English philosophy. It's the idea that ended that Slave Trade and declared globally that Slavery was a moral wrong.

So yes, it IS a Pompous reply and one that the British have every right (pun fully intended) to be pompous about.

Everywhere else has always had conditional rights, not the British.


Insurance companies do not agree with you, as they know full well to do otherwise will be the end of them. They have to face up to reality, where as you can post frivolous comments to support your arguments without consequence.

That's one explanation, another is that Insurance companies are thieving cunts who will use any excuse to screw people out of money.

(and I dare you to argue with me on this :P )


No need to wait, as I simply do not need to comment as he himself has already stated it was a protest vote. May I suggest you take it up with him if you wish to know his true state of mind? My point was rather you were assigning this statement over many threads, missing out the fact it was not him voting for Biden because he is a closet democrat, but rather a protest vote against Trump. Very poor form there ole chap. The truth certainly does not support the spirit of the arguments you were putting forward.

Oh I'm not going to let you off that easily.

Let's first take him at his word (that you so kindly provided the link to):

'To Hell with Liberalism' and 'I'm protest voting For Biden, against Trump'

In those two statements, based on what he says - Voting for Biden against Trump is an act of rejecting Liberalism. Therefore, a Vote for Trump is an act of endorsing Liberalism. Ergo - Trump is the Liberal Candidate (in the British sense, not the American) and Biden is the Illiberal candidate.

But let's go one step further - you've dodged the question: Why would a self-avowed White Racist object to the killing of someone who isn't White? There's an internal contradiction there between his words and his actions. If your premise is that this was the sole reason that he voted, then I get to point to that contradiction and make the claim that it does not follow logically.

However, if you've read a little more of Spencer and you read a little more of CRT, you very quickly see that they both want the same thing, just with a different racial group at the top.

I'm now going to put forward a theory - and when finished - I'll ask you to compare which one fits.

Spencer sees that the Democrats have fully embraced Wokeism and that includes CRT. His hope is that the Democrats will push CRT and (to quote the CRT Scholars):
"Raise Racial Consciousness"

No, seriously that is what they say they want to do, look it up - and bonus points for Pritch - see where it talks about kids and Educators.... That's CRT being taught in schools... again... (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Raise+Racial+Consciousness)

Translation - they want everyone to see Race as a defining characteristic of a person (Not the content of their character...) - and White Supremecists (like Spencer) love this idea - what better way to increase recruitment? Tell a bunch of Kids they should focus on the colour of someones' skin and tell all the white kids they are evil for having white skin, then you take all those angry young men who have been taught to be ashamed for their race - and hey presto! the Klans back in business, boys!

Then we get to the end-goal, and it's quite simple a numbers game - Spencer endorses Biden cause he hopes the decline of race relations by pushing this poisonous crap will result in the long-dreamed of Race War - and 60% of the population vs 12% of the population, Spencer reckons his 'side' has a better chance of winning.

To sum up then:

One theory states that a White Supremecist was so outraged by the killing of a foreign, non-white person, that they voted against Trump or
They voted for Biden to increase Racial division caused by the teaching of CRT to kids, to increase the number of racists and eventually win the Race War and setup an Ethnostate.

Which one is more internally logically consistent?

It is not a protest vote because someone got blown up, it's a calculated vote that endorses the collectivist left-wing world view.

[Pursang]

Ukrainian resilience and sense of humor is inspiring!

Coffee shop in Kyiv

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aLvWBzv_700bwp.webp

[sugilite]

Sure - but this was one of Trump's key policies - Energy Independence for the US. Which Biden quashed.
Yep, good for America, not so great for the environment, but none the less, one of Trumps better policies.


He was, but this is the difference between someone turning a tap on (Trump) and someone blowing up the Rohr Dam (Biden). I believe that one Metric is that under the Biden Administration, they have printed more money than in the history of the US.
Great, more for me to grab, just grabbed some more USD a few minutes ago :cool:


He was anti War, but he made it clear - you either play nice and civilized, or you get a visit from a friendly Drone. The age old 'Fuck around and find out' method. And it turns out, you only have to do it once or twice for people to sit up and pay attention.
Not Putin though, the guy is a cold ruthless killer, I doubt he would of been swayed by Mr Bombastic.


I also get to add in that Biden's shambolic withdrawal from Afghanistan seriously hurt America's military prestige globally - which just emboldens people - if they think you are weak or incapable, they'll push their luck. Which is what Putin did, what Rocket Man is trying to do.
Yeah nah, anyone that callous with his own troops and allies, imagine what he could do to his enemies.


So yes, it IS a Pompous reply and one that the British have every right (pun fully intended) to be pompous about.

Everywhere else has always had conditional rights, not the British.
And yet here you are in New Zealand - why? Was the pull of David Seymour that strong?


That's one explanation, another is that Insurance companies are thieving cunts who will use any excuse to screw people out of money.

(and I dare you to argue with me on this :P )
Dirty pool old chap, asking me to defend the indefensible lol
For the record, I have never been able to make out the difference between the TAB and insurance companies. I have only ever gone for the compulsory house insurance for mortgage purposes and do 3rd party on motor vehicles, that's it. I'm fucking way ahead with the money saved.


Oh I'm not going to let you off that easily.
You will have to let me off, as I've already left the building on this issue. It was a protest vote against Trump, far from how you were framing it. I mean that was an impressive wall of text and everything, but your average alt right cletus would be simply left blinking if they were asked to attempt to read it :laugh: You may keep typing however, as deemed legal by NZ law :devil2:

[TheDemonLord]

Yep, good for America, not so great for the environment, but none the less, one of Trumps better policies.

Au Contraire - I'd say it's significantly better for the Environment for the Fuel that the US uses to be shipped from local sources, instead of having to be shipped in from overseas and even better that it's burnt in the US (with it's emissions restrictions) than say China.


Not Putin though, the guy is a cold ruthless killer, I doubt he would of been swayed by Mr Bombastic.

Then why didn't he invade under Trump? Remembering the claim that Trump was a Putin Puppet? My personal thought is that Trump represented an Unknown. Putin didn't know how he would react, so never pressed the issue, whereas everyone knows how the Democrats would react (Sanctions, Aid etc.).


And yet here you are in New Zealand - why? Was the pull of David Seymour that strong?

I've thought about moving, but Family is here and that is a significantly offsetting factor.

Speaking of Seymour, had a nice catch-up with him on his publicity Tour - found out that he's read the work of James Lindsay. Suffice to say I not only fangirled a little, but also my support of the Man was vindicated to the Nth degree.


Dirty pool old chap, asking me to defend the indefensible lol
For the record, I have never been able to make out the difference between the TAB and insurance companies. I have only ever gone for the compulsory house insurance for mortgage purposes and do 3rd party on motor vehicles, that's it. I'm fucking way ahead with the money saved.

Heh :P

I'm very much the same, I've found I'm allergic to Insurance Companies.

But jokes aside - on the point we do agree on - it's a very good example how something can be easily put forward, with an ulterior motive.

"We are concerned about Climate Change, therefore we need to increase your premium" is a lot easier to sell than:

"We are Cunts, therefore we have increased your premium"

Despite our agreement that the latter is far more accurate.


You will have to let me off, as I've already left the building on this issue. It was a protest vote against Trump, far from how you were framing it. I mean that was an impressive wall of text and everything, but your average alt right cletus would be simply left blinking if they were asked to attempt to read it :laugh: You may keep typing however, as deemed legal by NZ law :devil2:

It simply does not follow that a White Supremacist would be upset at the killing of a non-white foreigner. I mean, back in the wild-west days of the Internet (when Ogrish was a thing) people of a particular viewpoint would regularly celebrate the killing of 'Rag heads' and 'Sand N....rs' and other assorted terms.

Now, does the average Alt-Right cleetus know all the associated stuff? I'll grant you not. However, they do know that they have an In Group (Whites) and an Out group (Non-Whites) and they know that the more people who take into consideration the colour of someones skin, the more likely they are to convince them to their world view.

That's Collectivism and CRT in practice right there - both very much Left-Wing Ideas...

[F5 Dave]

Funny thing is Putin would kill TDL just for the pleasure of it..

[Pursang]

Funny thing is Putin would kill TDL just for the pleasure of it..

Not real pleasure, just Policy! Agitators, Questioners, Alternate opinions, Smart arses, all those that do (or might eventually) upset the potato basket, must be silenced.

We'd All be on 'the List'.

Cup of Tea?

[Pursang]

Bit of a reminder to Putler & Ruzzia on Victory Day

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSQ1NT_WQAEmbEy?format=jpg&name=small

[R650R]

South China Morning Post on YouTube is currently live streaming Putin and the parade.

He’s looking healthy of not very solemn and in deep thought. So far a harpoon missle hasn’t interrupted proceedings. What’s interesting is how old most of the top brass there are

[R650R]

Not real pleasure, just Policy! Agitators, Questioners, Alternate opinions, Smart arses, all those that do (or might eventually) upset the potato basket, must be silenced.

We'd All be on 'the List'.

Cup of Tea?

Sounds strangely familiar....

[Pursang]

What’s interesting is how old most of the top brass there are

If your Russian and survived WW2 you might be almost indestructible and have learned to survive most things, e.g. (Cold War, Perestroika, Putin purges).
Of course, Cockroaches can do that too!

[Pursang]

https://images.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Russia-Gas-ONLINE-COLOR.jpg?d=768x512

[R650R]

Looks like they have too much spare time in Russia


https://youtu.be/9ajhW2eJLjo

[Pursang]

Ukrainian makes Art with Russian tank.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.6394874.1648071375!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/max-kilderov-russian-tank-art.jpg

[Pursang]

Finally a legitimate use for e-bikes

Delfast, a Ukrainian Ebike company have modded their bikes to carry NLAW or Javelin.

https://i.imgur.com/L5QlSlW.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/uzvF6DM.jpeg

[TheDemonLord]

Finally a legitimate use for e-bikes

Delfast, a Ukrainian Ebike company have modded their bikes to carry NLAW or Javelin.


Honestly - that combination is absolutely terrifying for a Tanker.

No noise signature, No Thermal signature, highly mobile, able to deal with rough terrain.

[pritch]

Not entirely relevant but that electric bike reminded me.

In Afghanistan the American rules of engagement required a target to be armed. The Taliban woke up to this and field commanders, unarmed, would ride a bike to a place with a prominent view from which they would conduct operations using a cell phone. Eventually the troops managed to convince the generals that this was happening and the rules were amended. Snipers took out some Taliban leaders while the news filtered though.

[Berries]

Delfast, a Ukrainian Ebike company have modded their bikes to carry NLAW or Javelin.
The Russian equivalent doesn't quite have the same range.

Russian attack bike. (https://inhabitat.com/insane-russian-attack-bike-is-powered-by-a-chainsaw/)


.

[sugilite]

An interesting article, well I thought so.....
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-military-war-russia-us-aid-weapons-rcna28830

[Pursang]

An interesting article, well I thought so.....
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-military-war-russia-us-aid-weapons-rcna28830

It must feel good for the USA to, at last, be backing a successful and grateful army in a righteous battle!

And at a bargain price!

Cheers, Daryl.

[Pursang]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWQUkRKqp2E&t=211s

[george formby]

Some pics taken in the steel works before capture / surrender.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2022/may/23/inside-the-battle-for-the-azovstal-metalworks

[Pursang]

If Nobody wants to shake your hand, are they all arseholes?.........OR are You the Arsehole?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B84TbEZgSeE


The pics from inside Azovstal are Stunning, Horrible, Noble, Awesome, Inspirational, ..........

[Pursang]

Quick Recap - 100 Days!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiP0YAEgN4&t=134s

[Stylo]

Quick Recap - 100 Days!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiP0YAEgN4&t=134s


Putin is out of control. He needs to be shot. As soon as possible. Someone kill the little guy .

[Pursang]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOiWelcX0AQTNIM.jpg