Average speed cameras

[SaferRides]

There is a warning sign on Nelson St in Auckland that an average speed camera is operating. It seems a bit pointless given the usual average speed is well below the 40 km/h limit, but no doubt will catch a few early on Sunday mornings!


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[rastuscat]

There is a warning sign on Nelson St in Auckland that an average speed camera is operating. It seems a bit pointless given the usual average speed is well below the 40 km/h limit, but no doubt will catch a few early on Sunday mornings!


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Pics?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300661735/new-smart-speed-cameras-to-measure-average-speed-of-vehicles

Interesting to see what they look like.

Notably, those who don't exceed speed limits still don't have anything to fear.

[SaferRides]

Pics?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300661735/new-smart-speed-cameras-to-measure-average-speed-of-vehicles

Interesting to see what they look like.

Notably, those who don't exceed speed limits still don't have anything to fear.I'll look next time I'm stuck in traffic on Nelson St. [emoji3]

Interesting article and yet another example of poor planning and botched implementation by a government agency.

I'd love to see the business case referred to!

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[JimO]

Pics?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300661735/new-smart-speed-cameras-to-measure-average-speed-of-vehicles

Interesting to see what they look like.

Notably, those who don't exceed speed limits still don't have anything to fear.

will they catch those pricks that travel at 85 until they get to a passing lane then its 110 and drop back to 85 after the passing lane? as far as im concerned they are a bigger danger than someone doing 5 ks over

[rastuscat]

will they catch those pricks that travel at 85 until they get to a passing lane then its 110 and drop back to 85 after the passing lane? as far as im concerned they are a bigger danger than someone doing 5 ks over

That's mostly down to spatial awareness. Pootling along at 85, and voila, the road gets wider, and spatial awareness tells us it's safer to go faster.

People don't speed up to make sure people can't pass. That's urban myth, and we love urban myths. It allows us to hate on people.

And yes, they do cause aberrant overtaking behaviour, which is bad. But most often it's not deliberate.

[Berries]

There is a warning sign on Nelson St in Auckland that an average speed camera is operating.
Average safety camera. Get it right.

[SaferRides]

Average safety camera. Get it right.I'm sure it said average speed, but will check next time.

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[pritch]

I'm sure it said average speed, but will check next time.


I suspect Berries was being just a tad ironic.

[SaferRides]

I suspect Berries was being just a tad ironic.[emoji1]

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[Berries]

Pretty sure that when the speed cameras were upgraded to digital recently they all became capable of being 'smart' cameras when the legislation caught up but I guess most (down south at least) are of no use as point to point due to their placement. Would be a good trip if you got pinged by the one in Dunedin and the one in Oamaru.

Once NZTA fully take these cameras on expect them to multiply like rabbits as we journey together on the road to zero.

[jim.cox]

as we journey together on the road to zero.

Ah, that never ending journey to an unreachable destination, whilst lining the pockets of consultants, engineers, advertising account executives and various other bludgers along the way

[Berries]

Damn right sister.


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[jim.cox]

Mum, Are we there yet Mum? When will get there Mum? Drive faster Mum!

[pete376403]

Wonder when the first camera will get gatsoed?

[jim.cox]

Wonder when the first camera will get gatsoed?

Thermite around the base of the pole would be the go, I reccon.

[BMWST?]

That's mostly down to spatial awareness. Pootling along at 85, and voila, the road gets wider, and spatial awareness tells us it's safer to go faster.

People don't speed up to make sure people can't pass. That's urban myth, and we love urban myths. It allows us to hate on people.

And yes, they do cause aberrant overtaking behaviour, which is bad. But most often it's not deliberate.

it doesnt matter if it deliberate or not. As you say it speaks to poor skills ie they musnt be watching their mirrors or their speedo. They are reckless or even dangerous drivers imho even if that is not what their behaviour may be decribed as in the official sense .

[pete376403]

Thermite around the base of the pole would be the go, I reccon.

Yea but, thermite could be a bit hard to get, whereas everyone has old tires laying around

[JimO]

That's mostly down to spatial awareness. Pootling along at 85, and voila, the road gets wider, and spatial awareness tells us it's safer to go faster.

People don't speed up to make sure people can't pass. That's urban myth, and we love urban myths. It allows us to hate on people.

And yes, they do cause aberrant overtaking behaviour, which is bad. But most often it's not deliberate.


sounds like careless driving

[Berries]

it doesnt matter if it deliberate or not. As you say it speaks to poor skills ie they musnt be watching their mirrors or their speedo. They are reckless or even dangerous drivers imho even if that is not what their behaviour may be decribed as in the official sense .
I used to use the same reasoning as RC when it came to passing lane behaviour but you are right, it shows a complete lack of awareness and/or consideration of others.

Mind you, it does work both ways. I had to take a load of timber from Dunedin to Bluff last week on a hired trailer. First time I have taken a trailer any kind of distance, it's an NZ thing, I don't really get this trailer obsession you lot have. Anyway, stuck roughly to 90km/h, stopped quite a few times to check the strops and pulled hard left whenever I could to allow anyone behind to overtake if I thought there was room for them to make it. Soon changed my mind on that one though. About two thirds of the people I let get passed did not even acknowledge me so in the end I thought fuck them and stuck in the middle of the lane, ignored my mirrors and let them sort themselves out. It would only have taken a simple thank you wave but there are too many inconsiderate wankers out there who didn't bother.

Slowed down in passing lanes as well to try and let people pass me but they are all happy sitting at 80km/h behind you these days. Fuck em. Just glad that I normally ride a bike where having traffic behind you isn't a consideration.

/rant

[rastuscat]

Slowed down in passing lanes as well to try and let people pass me but they are all happy sitting at 80km/h behind you these days. Fuck em. Just glad that I normally ride a bike where having traffic behind you isn't a consideration.


That's been my experience when towing a trailer too. I tow quite a bit.

I get super pissy when we get to a passing lane, I move to the left lane and slow down, and the idiots behind me do the same. Having followed absurdly close for the last 10 km prior, they refuse to take the opportunity I'm giving them.

Buying another trailer this weekend. My obsession grows.

[jellywrestler]

sounds like careless driving

it's lack of ability and if we monster them it makes things worse. 50% of the worlds population are below average after all.

[rastuscat]

it's lack of ability and if we monster them it makes things worse. 50% of the worlds population are below average after all.

Surprisingly, 70% of drivers rate themselves as average or better.

This is because they see the dufus things other people do, but don't see the dufus things they do themselves.

It's a fundamental attribution error. And also a lack of understanding of how averages work.

[neels]

It was interesting to observe the speed camera behavior on the motorways when I was in the UK.

At the single point speed cameras the traffic would quite uniformly slow down to the speed limit, and then speed off again once past.

For the average speed cameras, there would be a bunch of people taking an off ramp, and a corresponding number using the next on ramp after passing the camera.

Presumably these people have a satnav telling them where the speed cameras, sneaky speed limit changes and tolls are....

[pzkpfw]

I used to use the same reasoning as RC when it came to passing lane behaviour but you are right, it shows a complete lack of awareness and/or consideration of others.

Mind you, it does work both ways. I had to take a load of timber from Dunedin to Bluff last week on a hired trailer. First time I have taken a trailer any kind of distance, it's an NZ thing, I don't really get this trailer obsession you lot have. Anyway, stuck roughly to 90km/h, stopped quite a few times to check the strops and pulled hard left whenever I could to allow anyone behind to overtake if I thought there was room for them to make it. Soon changed my mind on that one though. About two thirds of the people I let get passed did not even acknowledge me so in the end I thought fuck them and stuck in the middle of the lane, ignored my mirrors and let them sort themselves out. It would only have taken a simple thank you wave but there are too many inconsiderate wankers out there who didn't bother.

Slowed down in passing lanes as well to try and let people pass me but they are all happy sitting at 80km/h behind you these days. Fuck em. Just glad that I normally ride a bike where having traffic behind you isn't a consideration.

/rant

When I was moving house about a year ago, I regularly checked my side mirrors to see if I had a queue.

In Manakau (lower Nth Island) I noticed a bike (with pillion) behind me, so I pulled left to give them plenty of space (added to the centre divide) to pass safely.

The rider made quite a show of thanking me, which I appreciated, up until the point where he got a fright from the car in front of him that'd slowed down to take a right turn off the highway.

[pzkpfw]

That's been my experience when towing a trailer too. I tow quite a bit.

I get super pissy when we get to a passing lane, I move to the left lane and slow down, and the idiots behind me do the same. Having followed absurdly close for the last 10 km prior, they refuse to take the opportunity I'm giving them.

Buying another trailer this weekend. My obsession grows.

I was on the Paraparamu bypass one day (many trailer trips for the house move) and some old codger insisted on driving right up the arse of my trailer (me doing more or less 90 kph), until I checked for an otherwise empty road behind me, moved to the right lane, slowed down, and then he took off. Some people are just afraid to pass.