MotoGP 2024

[F5 Dave]

What riders do they bring to the table? Pin hope on two rookies?

[Reckless]

Just saw this
Acosta just has a way about him, Very refreshing.
I hope the cut and thrust of MotoGP doesn't change him he is a natural star.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/471253402065765

Secondly why has no one out forward the idea of vr46 going with Yamaha are they still under contract? Wouldn't be silly for them.

[BMWST?]

Is the silence because Pramac are going Yamaha? Frankie will be back where he was.

[SaferRides]

Secondly why has no one out forward the idea of vr46 going with Yamaha are they still under contract? Wouldn't be silly for them.
VR46 said no to Yamaha. Probably a good move, as they may yet end up with the GP25 if Pramac doesn't sign with Ducati.

It could be that what Marquez really meant was that he wasn't going to a satellite team that might or might not be running the GP25 next year.



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[Reckless]

MV Augusta
https://motorcyclesports.net/pt/ktms-bold-move-mv-agusta-returns-to-motogp-but-without-its-own-engine-is-it-going-to-be-a-new-team-or-the-end-of-gasgas/

[Grumph]

If both MV and BMW indicate they want in to MotoGP, it'll be interesting to see if the setup can expand to fit two new teams.

I suspect this may mean the end of some satellite teams. Factories only.

[F5 Dave]

Well I have two GasGas machines so this is not good news.

That said, both were made in Spain, so that horse has bolted.

[husaberg]

OxBom podcast, Peter explains why Enea would be a crew chiefs nightmare. He even commented that it took MM to come past him to wake him up,- and then he went to work.

It's one thing to be gifted. It's another to have the laser focus MM has to never give up and always be on the boil. Insert Rossi, Stoner, Doohan and others as applicable.

We've seen gifted like MV, and others, heck even Lorenzo in his final years, seemingly squander their talent by letting obstacles like, well, the bike under them, their team politics, tank stickers in the wrong place . .
According to a few stories Rossi used to go slower to make a race of it earlier in his career. I think that came from Jerry Burgess, Lawson had a long term strategy for winning races as slowly as possible.
I think a crew chief nightmare would be Mamola who would fall off being silly. Second place in championship 4 times.
Or caladora all the talent but somedays he never even seemed to try.

[Grumph]

One of the most highly talented local riders I've ever seen wasn't fussed about winning, he just liked to ride.

Frustrating as hell.

[iYRe]

Crash this week were saying that they think Ducati didnt outright offer Martin a factory ride because there was something in MM's numbers + Audi wanting it + his revenue gathering power that got it for him. They suspect there is something in Martin's numbers and his ability to fall to pieces at the end of the season that meant he wasnt going to probably get the job while MM was around, so he jumped ship before the decision, which means that MM got it by default.

He wasnt going to get it anyway I suspect for that reason. And now I suspect MM is going to get some special attention because he's a proven winner who is less likely fall off the bike because he's under pressure (he might because he is trying to win, pushing limits, you know what I mean). It is possible neither PB or Martin will win the championship this year.

[onearmedbandit]

There's rumblings about a clause Ducati had that JM was happy to accept but Marc wasn't which forced their hand. The clause supposedly stipulated that the seat was JM's unless Marc won the championship.

[iYRe]

There's rumblings about a clause Ducati had that JM was happy to accept but Marc wasn't which forced their hand. The clause supposedly stipulated that the seat was JM's unless Marc won the championship.

Yeah I heard that too.

[Reckless]

I also think MM had the possibility of winning the championship with Gresini if he wasn't catered for. (he still could)
He is now more likely to treat it as a warm up year. Although nothing is a warm up for him once the red mist descends.
They just couldn't have him there to win against the factory.
Although Ducati have been very good with team orders and bikes over the last few years and respect them for their stance.
I think MM saying he wasn't going to Pramac was a master stroke, took balls too.
Forced their hand with the red team decision.
Very strategic, he has pretty much out maneuvered damn near everyone between his track results and making a stand :)

Imagine if Acosta was on the same Machinery now that give a few a fright LOL

[SaferRides]

There's rumblings about a clause Ducati had that JM was happy to accept but Marc wasn't which forced their hand. The clause supposedly stipulated that the seat was JM's unless Marc won the championship.I read that too, the plan was whoever finished highest in championship would get the seat. But it's difficult to believe it was a serious proposal because of the issues waiting that long would cause.

I feel sorry for Bastianini, but he has a decent ride next year and I hope he does well.

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[F5 Dave]

I hope the Supertramp effect comes into play. For those who haven't seen documentary, they were supported band that lost their funding. This time it's serious. Crime of the Century album was the result.

According to Oxley, Doohan rejected a salary from hrc and working on bonuses for 1st places only, kept winning as he was hungry only for the win.

[sugilite]

I've got a soft spot for Vinales too, but not in a good way...

https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/06/12/motogp/pit-beirer-has-a-soft-spot-for-vinales-who-is-set-to-join-bastianini-in-ktm.html

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[sugilite]

Hell, would love to see coverage of this race!
https://www.mcnews.com.au/race-of-champions-at-world-ducati-week-includes-marquez-brothers/

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[Reckless]

Rumour or fact???
Bad move be surprised if Vinales can make it, he hasn't got the head.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/vinales-set-for-ktm-motogp-switch/10622798/

Unfortunately Jack is on the outer shame he couldn't put it together.

https://speedcafe.com/ktm-gives-clearest-indication-yet-of-jack-miller-exit/

[onearmedbandit]

Done deal with Mav and Enea to KTM

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1050582/1/official-maverick-vinales-enea-bastianini-join-tech-3-ktm

[sugilite]

Wow.
I'm not sure Mavs style is well adapted to the back it in the ktm wants?

[Autech]

I'm so fucking confused by Maverick, he's gelled well with the Aprilia and riding really well, yet he's off to a satellite team?

Much confused. Bet there's big dollars involved.

I'm picking Olivera will get the promotion now, he's not been doing too well this year (after the horror of last year) but it's a brand new team and he's got the past form to call upon. Unless he's too busy rooting his stepsis/wife and doesn't have the desire anymore. Then again I've been wrong in most my picks so who knows?

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[iYRe]

I'm so fucking confused by Maverick, he's gelled well with the Aprilia and riding really well, yet he's off to a satellite team?

I heard somewhere that Aprilia were looking for someone more consistent now, because Martin. I think it might have been on the paddock pass podcast on YT - which is a pretty good podcast imho. The most recent one covered some IOTT as well.

There was some discussion about him going to Honda.

EDIT: Miller and Fernadez are gone.

[SaferRides]

David Emmett (Motomatters) says that Maverick is upset by the arrival of Jorge Martin, who presumably is being paid more. I suspect there's more to that story...

Starting to look as though Nobody Likes Jorge?

But that opens up another seat. I expect Aprilia will have plenty of riders to choose from.

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[iYRe]

Yeah, there was no vacancies and now there's a few.

[F5 Dave]

Well Freddie Spencer must be being tired of being criticised by now.
Time to slide on the old leathers and show these younglings how to ride in a (is it 5th? [abortive]) comeback. :banana:

[sugilite]

Well Freddie Spencer must be being tired of being criticised by now.
Time to slide on the old leathers and show these younglings how to ride in a (is it 5th? [abortive]) comeback. :banana:

In breaking news, Aprillia have approached me!











Turns out there shitter is blocked and it needs work - doh!

[F5 Dave]

As Trophy Hag?
Play it coy, and say you've had a few offers from Honda and hold out for big bucks. Or obsequious contract clauses.
Huge loss of income reparation payouts if you miss the plane to the venue, or were otherwise distracted.

[BMWST?]

Never quite been able to figure Jack out. I am convinced he just cant manage the tyres but why not...all the others see to be able too.

[iYRe]

Never quite been able to figure Jack out. I am convinced he just cant manage the tyres but why not...all the others see to be able too.
he's a kiwi aussie, probably just gives it too much jandal

[Reckless]

Never quite been able to figure Jack out. I am convinced he just cant manage the tyres but why not...all the others see to be able too.

Same here I had hope for him but he doesn't seem to be able to put it all together unfortunately :(
You may be right although Acosta is putting them all to shame on that bike.
Poor Jack might be on the outer this time around as Gas Gas is full up now.
Although not so sure about the Vinales choice :(

[iYRe]

Saw an interview with whats his face, the KTM boss, and he said the changes Jack made for the bike were awesome for everyone else, but for some reason they just didnt gel for Jack. Seems like he shot himself in the foot, but they have made more changes and hope that he can finish now with good results, which is a win win for him and them.

[F5 Dave]

These guys are so close in laptimes and bikes, if you reallocated them bikes of yesteryear there would likely be a bigger spread . That may favour the chosen few factory riders more than it currently does. In that scenario he may not have lost his Dooklattery factory ride as he scooped the 2nds and 3rds. Tyres in the alternative universe are still open maybe.

On the other hand, you only have so many top level years in your pocket (with some notable exceptions). Maybe Jack has used them up?
He's been in the field a long time.

Ironically Superbikes may be a better use of his remaining talent than the two jap factories currently.

[Reckless]

Ironically Superbikes may be a better use of his remaining talent than the two jap factories currently.

True Yanaha seem to be getting somewhere but a factory as big as Honda.
Bloody hell they are well and truly making a mess of things now that MM isn't riding around the Issues.
Hard to believe a factory with that record and that big can be so far back with no apparent way forward.

[Grumph]

True Yanaha seem to be getting somewhere but a factory as big as Honda.
Bloody hell they are well and truly making a mess of things now that MM isn't riding around the Issues.
Hard to believe a factory with that record and that big can be so far back with no apparent way forward.

Honda have always done things Their Way.

Which has meant infusions of fresh young engineers on a regular basis.
They seem as a factory to have no regard for their own established practise, regarding change as good.

You've got to wonder how much R&D budget FI and Indycar hybrid motor tech is absorbing.
I've not yet seen much hype from them around hybrid road car product which makes me wonder
if they're trying for the next leap forward and simply don't have the time or budget for MotoGP.

[iYRe]

Some dudes were saying that they expected Honda to throw the kitchen sink at it next year. Also, remember when the bikes change to 800 everyone is on the same level right?
They were also saying Yam would probably have less problems with the 800, because the issue appears to be that with the michelin you have to front load, which means moving the tyre closed to the rad, and it cant cool down. With the 800s there will be more room.

I'm no expert but it sounded good to me

[F5 Dave]

Again, because Oxley; the bikes are too fast, lets slow them down.

But cornering is faster, exit speed carries all down the straight.

So limiting tyres would limit cornering speed and ultimate speed.

Rim reduction would do this.

And make it more rear Endy. Ooerr vicar.

[Grumph]

Again, because Oxley; the bikes are too fast, lets slow them down.

But cornering is faster, exit speed carries all down the straight.

So limiting tyres would limit cornering speed and ultimate speed.

Rim reduction would do this.

And make it more rear Endy. Ooerr vicar.

Yes and no. The rear end is now kept under control electronically. Narrower rear rim simply means adjusting the wheelspin parameters.
The front is the problem because of the variables between riders. Aero and static load are controllable. Rider's inputs aren't.

I reckon the smaller engines will lead to pretty much equal corner speed.
We'll see.

Oh and Honda's troubles are chassis - not engine. They've always had one of the most powerful engines - but corner exit speed is chassis related.

[BMWST?]

Yes and no. The rear end is now kept under control electronically. Narrower rear rim simply means adjusting the wheelspin parameters.
The front is the problem because of the variables between riders. Aero and static load are controllable. Rider's inputs aren't.

I reckon the smaller engines will lead to pretty much equal corner speed.
We'll see.

Oh and Honda's troubles are chassis - not engine. They've always had one of the most powerful engines - but corner exit speed is chassis related.
its lack of rear grip isnt it...and they not up with the aero.Trying to solve the rear grip has now reduced the turning they had

[Autech]

Fuck it I'm going to draw up a grid right now:

Honda:
Mir
Marini

LCR:
Zarco
Ogura

KTM:
Acosta
Binder

GasGas:
Miller
Fernandez

Yamaha:
Quatararo
Rins

Aprilia:
Espagaro
Vinales

Trackhouse:
Roberts
Olivera

Ducati:
Baginia
Martin

Pramac:
MM
Morbideli

VR46:
Digia
Bez

Grisini:
Alex Marquez
Bastanini

Well it made sense at the time anyways...

I give up.

[pritch]

but a factory as big as Honda.
Bloody hell they are well and truly making a mess of things now that MM isn't riding around the Issues.
Hard to believe a factory with that record and that big can be so far back with no apparent way forward.

It was pointed out a few year back, pre Dall'igna, that Ducati engineers would be offended if their bike was criticised. They even sent Milandri(?) to a shrink.
Honda engineers, on the other hand, were grateful for criticism, it gave direction to their work. Their cup of grateful must be overflowing.

[F5 Dave]

Yes and no. The rear end is now kept under control electronically. Narrower rear rim simply means adjusting the wheelspin parameters.
The front is the problem because of the variables between riders. Aero and static load are controllable. Rider's inputs aren't.

I reckon the smaller engines will lead to pretty much equal corner speed.
We'll see.

Oh and Honda's troubles are chassis - not engine. They've always had one of the most powerful engines - but corner exit speed is chassis related.
Good points. But less rear grip would mean the riders wouldn't be able to ask so much before the electronics kicked in so acceleration and thus speed gets knocked back.

Rear endy I meant on the way in Binder style.

If you wanted it exiting you'd have to go all Casey Stoner protocol and turn TC off mandated. Could be fun.

[Reckless]

I dont know shit about a Motogp bike but my thought train says
The big wings at the front are generating so much grip they are stressing the front and the front tyre.
So much so the tyre manufacturers are now giving minimum tyre pressures for safety.
With so much front grip they are struggling to get the same grip out of the rear.
So the bike feels like it is planted at the front and they can't twist the throttle.

You're either going to have to get rid of the stupid wings on the front or put the same on the rear.
Because they just can't generate the same down force in the rear to get the side grip under power.
You can adjust all sorts of pivot angles etc but that doesn't equal a 100k-300k structured winged wind force.

You have also got Aliex saying it is getting to the point the riders arms aren't handling it.

Although Ducati seem to have got it much better than most.

Very over simplistic view of the issue but makes sense to my little brain and it is a never ending circle that makes every rider a little less relevant as time goes on.

[F5 Dave]

They reckon the rear is well grippy but the front so-so. Opposite of the Bridgestone.

Wings work well in straight line. Disruptive in corner as one is high, one is low. That may be why they hang in behind them so radically. Side fairing design takes over when near the ground.

[Autech]

They reckon the rear is well grippy but the front so-so. Opposite of the Bridgestone.

Wings work well in straight line. Disruptive in corner as one is high, one is low. That may be why they hang in behind them so radically. Side fairing design takes over when near the ground.

Which is why Aprilia is the best turning bike on the grid now, they have the ground effect worked out big time

[pritch]

David Emmett reports Mir is to stay with Honda.

[iYRe]

I think its almost certain Pramac to Yamaha now - its been reported but not from any source I'd say 100% trustworthy

[SaferRides]

I think its almost certain Pramac to Yamaha now - its been reported but not from any source I'd say 100% trustworthyDall'igna doesn't sound very hopeful that they will stay with Ducati. It would be good for MotoGP if they change as one third of the grid from one manufacturer isn't good for competition.

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[iYRe]

Bez has signed for Aprilia and Rins is staying with honda I think.

[BMWST?]

Bez has signed for Aprilia and Rins is staying with honda I think.

Rins is staying with Yamaha you mean? .Mir and Marini are staying at Honda,Zarco and and a yet to be named Japanese rider with LCR

[iYRe]

Rins is staying with Yamaha you mean? .Mir and Marini are staying at Honda,Zarco and and a yet to be named Japanese rider with LCR
yeah, sorry. My phone started ringing like crazy as I was posting that. Welcome to the IT world :/

[Reckless]

Gave me a giggle quite well done

[F5 Dave]

Thank you I've had to steal that.;)

[Reckless]

Great read well written = Enjoy

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/moto-gp/he-sees-you-bleeding-he-bites-harder-valentino-rossis-words-of-warning-with-champs-on-collision-course/news-story/cb55bb97ee3d184e8e4b03e433e89cd4

“Marc’s one of the smartest and most intelligent of playing all aspects of the game, the psychological warfare. He took complete control of the rider market himself. He outfoxed the entire grid and backed Ducati into a corner. Within 24 hours Marc had turned everything around in his favour."

[iYRe]

Great read well written = Enjoy

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/moto-gp/he-sees-you-bleeding-he-bites-harder-valentino-rossis-words-of-warning-with-champs-on-collision-course/news-story/cb55bb97ee3d184e8e4b03e433e89cd4

“Marc’s one of the smartest and most intelligent of playing all aspects of the game, the psychological warfare. He took complete control of the rider market himself. He outfoxed the entire grid and backed Ducati into a corner. Within 24 hours Marc had turned everything around in his favour."

whats the chance he is going to let Pecco get away with winning this weekend? He has the ability to just be that fraction faster at Assen, and next weekend too. Its gonna be a fun race

[SaferRides]

I get the impression that Dall'igna wanted Marc once he saw how good he was on the 2023 bike. But the final decision may have been made by Domenicali, who perhaps realised how valuable having Marquez on a factory bike could be for Ducati.

The silly season has been something else as a result. Martin and Vinales may have both made decisions they could regret, depending how good next year's Aprilia and KTM turn out to be.

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[F5 Dave]

Or depending on what they know. Or think they know. About what bikes the teams will be running next year.

[jato]

In the lead up to Assen a good read from david Emmett (seems to be available without subscription at the mo) https://motomatters.com/analysis/2024/06/26/assen_motogp_preview_ancient_history.html
the first GP i went to was Assen - so-oo good and such fanatical fans ... amongst them a group of germans who were camping not far from our tent, one of them had a very very fresh caste on his leg and looked miserable as hell...how he rode his bike there god only knows but his mates had to lift him of it and more or less carry him around the place. his mates were partying hard and occasionally one would wander over and give a beer to the wounded one. i had a bit of a chat with him and he more or less said he wouldn't miss assen for anything .Full credit to him

[F5 Dave]

Wow, what a great write up. Have saved that.
Thanks Jimmy.
Of course I was a bit concerned when he incorrectly spelt 'metre' and "labour'. Should we raise this?

[jato]

Of course your concerns should be raised Dave ... noting the best way would be in person. Looks like 27 hrs and $3003 would do it, go for it...

[pritch]

In the lead up to Assen a good read from david Emmett (seems to be available without subscription at the mo) https://motomatters.com/analysis/2024/06/26/assen_motogp_preview_ancient_history.html


Thanks, that was a good read.

[F5 Dave]

Well, my passport has expired, and it's still warm in bed on day off . . .

[jato]

I see our Jack is languishing more than ever... meanwhile Maverick (and Pecco) are smoking. Be sure to crank up your heaters guys and set the alarm for tonight.

[roogazza]

I see our Jack is languishing more than ever... meanwhile Maverick (and Pecco) are smoking. Be sure to crank up your heaters guys and set the alarm for tonight.

Lap record for the Champ in FP1 !!!!!! :yes::woohoo:

[pritch]

Pramac have signed with Yamaha. I recently read a report that suggested reasons why team VR46 would be the obvious choice. Perhaps Rossi wants his riders to have a chance.

[BMWST?]

Pramac have signed with Yamaha. I recently read a report that suggested reasons why team VR46 would be the obvious choice. Perhaps Rossi wants his riders to have a chance.
Yamaha must be offering Pramc huge incentives .Why would you turn away from the best bike on the grid?

[Grumph]

Yamaha must be offering Pramc huge incentives .Why would you turn away from the best bike on the grid?

Seven year contract apparently. With change of regs and what the new owners have planned for MotoGP I suspect it offers some financial stability.

Is the current level of support from Ducati sustainable ?

[Reckless]

A lot of Pramac's decision to go Yamaha according to this interview was to do with MM signing ahead of JM.
Reading between the lines it looks like they were quite pissed off.

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2024/06/28/campinoti-the-decision-is-sweet-and-also-sour/501882?playlistId=425969

Ducati still have Pecco, who is looking really good, happy and capable.

I hope MM is going to be worth it they have lost good riders and Pramac over that decision.
The fall out on the MM decision has been far reaching.

Practice and qually tonight live at 8:10 pm on 3 now :)

[jato]

not quite the tooth n nail battle i was expecting ...hopefully tonights race will be typical Assen. Espargo's crash looked pretty unhealthy https://motorcyclesports.net/video-a-massive-and-very-ugly-crash-of-aleix-espargaro-in-the-last-corners-of-the-sprint-race/. a broken bone in his hand - so pretty light damage all things considered

[iYRe]

Nope, more of the same.
Seems MM (at least, maybe more riders) had to follow others because their tire pressures were too low. MM is explainable as he only got 1 lap of data in the Sprint, but apparently MV might have had the same issue.

[roogazza]

Nope, more of the same.
Seems MM (at least, maybe more riders) had to follow others because their tire pressures were too low. MM is explainable as he only got 1 lap of data in the Sprint, but apparently MV might have had the same issue.
Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

Have I got this right ??? :confused::shifty:

[iYRe]

Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

Have I got this right ??? :confused::shifty:

Yeah, he waved on Digia - it seemed to pretty much cripple his race and made for some very weird stuff going on - he couldnt ride in front so he had to sit behind Vinales, then Digia

[onearmedbandit]

I don't care for the why's and how's, all I know is that for me it is ruining the spectacle.

[Reckless]

Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

Have I got this right ??? :confused::shifty:

You don't have to wait a week Buddy the sprint is up on 3now for viewing ful race not Highlights and I'd guess the main race will be up soon.

Well didn't Pecco send a message untouchable the whole weekend.
JM tried but didnt quite have it. But hasn't his attitude changed good to see :)
Painfully obvious how the GP24 has the advantage over the Gp23
Great ride Diggi surprised to hear comments he is on the outer because he is not a VR46 born rider.

Tyre pressures stupid when it gets to the point of having to let riders passed.
That second bunch had some good racing tho.

Lets see how Martin goes next round track should suit him.

[iYRe]

"... Marquez said he was just 0.01 bars under the limit for one lap of the race - the one immediately following his contact with Ducati rider Enea Bastianini at Turn 1 - and blamed that incident for the penalty. He thinks that means a rule tweak is needed for the future.

The penalty promoted Pramac rider Franco Morbidelli to ninth, with Marquez slotting into the results ahead of KTM’s Jack Miller in 11th.


Marquez said though it was “a shame” to have received a penalty, “the rules are the rules”.

Marquez had caused surprise early in the race when he appeared to deliberately let VR46 Ducati rider Fabio Di Giannantonio overtake him for third.


He confirmed afterwards that this had been an attempt to lower his tyre pressure.


“The only thing we were discussing with the stewards, for that reason it delayed the penalty, because as you saw in the race I started in a good way but suddenly I saw on the front there was something strange and the tyre pressure was super low,” Marquez explained.


“Then I let past Diggia just to control the front pressure, and then I was there behind him all the race.”




But he said the incident with Bastianini then spoiled that plan.


“I was controlling in a good way, I was inside, but what I didn’t expect was the contact from Enea at the first corner when he pushed me out,” he continued.


“And when I was out that lap I was one second slower and I didn’t push well in that Turn 3 and Turn 5 because I didn’t know how the tyre would be after coming from the run-off area. It dropped again, it takes two laps to come back and those two laps makes me out of that minimum [pressure].”


Marquez said the mixed conditions on Sunday, switching between cloudy and sunshine, made “everything difficult,” but he was controlling his tyre pressure well before the contact from Bastianini - something “I cannot control” which “makes me go wide and come back and the pressure was too low again”

“The only fact that takes time for the stewards - and we were speaking and I was in the race direction, because they have the data - they see that my tyre temperature dropped after the contact of Enea.”

[Grumph]

To put it bluntly, he went into the race knowing he was running the front pressure as low as he thought he could get away with.
Tucking in behind was an attempt to get the tyre up and over optimum temp to raise the pressure.
His claiming the incident was enough to put him over the lap limit for pressures is somewhat dubious.
If you go in knowing you have no margin for any incidents then a penalty is no-one's fault but your own.

Others seem to have managed the temp/pressure/changeable conditions better. MM has enough experience to have done it too.

Suck up the penalty and don't go asking for charity.

[Reckless]

To put it bluntly, he went into the race knowing he was running the front pressure as low as he thought he could get away with.
Tucking in behind was an attempt to get the tyre up and over optimum temp to raise the pressure.
His claiming the incident was enough to put him over the lap limit for pressures is somewhat dubious.
If you go in knowing you have no margin for any incidents then a penalty is no-one's fault but your own.

Others seem to have managed the temp/pressure/changeable conditions better. MM has enough experience to have done it too.

Suck up the penalty and don't go asking for charity.

True this and it is there for safety via tyre manufacturer. There will be no Latitude given there :no:
Prob why he was so relaxed about it.

[BMWST?]

Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

Have I got this right ??? :confused::shifty:
yes you have it right. I think digi was having exactly the same problem. MM was a tiny fraction low for 1 lap which put him below the minmum pressure required for some proportion of the race

[iYRe]

True this and it is there for safety via tyre manufacturer. There will be no Latitude given there :no:
Prob why he was so relaxed about it.

He did seem pretty relaxed, but annoyed that it was only 0.01 (0.1 PSI) bar for one lap that cost him 7 points or what ever it was.

edit: Crash were saying that probably MM was expecting to be riding in the pack with Martin and bags - he didnt expect them to bugger off so quick. Gresini (I think) were saying what if MM (or any rider) had been forced off track and dropped way down the order, and fought their way back to the top 5 and then lost 16 secs because his tyre was 0.01 bar off for one of those laps. Why would you bother?

Stupid frickin rule imho

[F5 Dave]

Perhaps time to develop a slick mousse (for those unfamiliar with dirt competition) that would even out the feild, for better or worse, at least it would be even.

Everyone gets their valves pushed by a steward on the grid to avoid accidental attachment to a vacuum in the pits.:devil2:

[iYRe]

Recent interview with the Crafs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhjEV9ZDB2A

[roogazza]

Thanks for posting that bud. Really enjoyed the whole thing,so down to earth Crafar .

But they are Kiwis so not a real surprise .

[iYRe]

Thanks for posting that bud. Really enjoyed the whole thing,so down to earth Crafar .

But they are Kiwis so not a real surprise .


Yeah I thought it was excellent, random suggestion of YT lol. He seems super excited about the new rules heh.

[Reckless]

Funny moment but also the first time I have seen Pecco interact like this with Mark.

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2024/07/04/maybe-ill-buy-an-f1-team-riders-react-to-hamilton-and-gresini-rumours/502894?playlistId=425969

[Autech]

On the whole tyre pressure thing, I found it interesting the dickheads from the BT commentary had no idea why he was doing it. I immediately knew what his reasoning would be as there's no fucking way MM would ever let a rider ahead of him on track other than some bull shit. I really missing the Dorna commentary but it's not worth the extra $$$. That Neil Hodgesons accent really is harsh on the ear...

Looking forward to the go kart track this weekend, lets see if MM and overcome the clear 10sec a race advantage that G24 has.

[SaferRides]

On the whole tyre pressure thing, I found it interesting the dickheads from the BT commentary had no idea why he was doing it. I immediately knew what his reasoning would be as there's no fucking way MM would ever let a rider ahead of him on track other than some bull shit. I really missing the Dorna commentary but it's not worth the extra $$$. That Neil Hodgesons accent really is harsh on the ear...
.If you want the Dorna commentary, have a look at https://www.reddit.com/r/MotorsportsReplays/ then search for antonyium. He posts a link to a site where you can download complete videos - no messing about with torrents. There is a delay but I never watch the European races live.

I can't stand the TNT commentary. Simon Crafar figured out why Marc let Digia past straight away.

Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

[iYRe]

motomundo.net now seems to have 2 different commentaries.

MM had an off at 200kmh today, shredded his leathers etc, went straight back out and went faster.... THEN went to the hospital because he was hurt. The man is hard.. very hard.

[SaferRides]

motomundo.net now seems to have 2 different commentaries.
.
I watched the Friday practices at Assen on Motomundo and got one of each. The TNT commentary almost ignored what was happening on the track and was more like a podcast.



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[roogazza]

motomundo.net now seems to have 2 different commentaries.

MM had an off at 200kmh today, shredded his leathers etc, went straight back out and went faster.... THEN went to the hospital because he was hurt. The man is hard.. very hard.

Bloody hell, if I had what I thought was a faster getoff, I was D tuned for a month !!!

Christ knows what a 200kph getoff is like ?????? :shit:

[BMWST?]

Bloody hell, if I had what I thought was a faster getoff, I was D tuned for a month !!!

Christ knows what a 200kph getoff is like ?????? :shit:
strange get of at turn 11 which is the fast right hander s they go down the hill. He lost the front but held onto it as he does,but the the back gripped and high sided him.Quite a high high side too,no tumbling ,although i have seen reports that he does have a fracture. I am sure there will be videos of it on you tube soon

[BMWST?]

On another note ,nothing new but oh my the Hondas....16th Zarco,17th Marini,18th Nakagami,21 Bradl,22 Mir...even Remy Gardner is faster than Bradl and Mir

[BMWST?]

friday in germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSWQ58ebmg

[jato]

Marc and his highsides ... but he keeps on coming back for more. Not a real fan but i reckon he's due a win. we are all due a decent race too after Assen's snooze fest. setting the alarm for 0045 ...

[pritch]

Bloody hell, if I had what I thought was a faster getoff, I was D tuned for a month !!!

Christ knows what a 200kph getoff is like ?????? :shit:

Buggered if I know. For which I'm thankful. This was discussed back when Lorenzo was doing imitations of a trapeze artist sans trapeze. They crash so often it's just another day at the office. We mortals go into a shock reaction, all wobbly at the knees etc.

[iYRe]

Marc and his highsides ... but he keeps on coming back for more. Not a real fan but i reckon he's due a win. we are all due a decent race too after Assen's snooze fest. setting the alarm for 0045 ...

he made up 1.4 seconds and got a pass on MV to beat him by 0.003sec lol - with a broken finger and munched ribs, which is probably just a tickle to him now

[BMWST?]

he made up 1.4 seconds and got a pass on MV to beat him by 0.003sec lol - with a broken finger and munched ribs, which is probably just a tickle to him now
and straight after the crash went out and set a very good time(at that time)

[iYRe]

well, what a race.

Guess who: mechanical issues, crash, broken finger, bruised ribs, contact - smashed screen airbags go off - on the limit, bugger it time to attack, 13->2 - being on the podium with my brother is better than a win.

Crazy crazy race.

[Reckless]

I must say there is nobody else that shows the racer instinct and determination more than MM after his effort this weekend, with a bit more maturity thrown in. He seems happy.

Good sprint by Martin.

The race was epic and we have a new championship leader. Now Martin knows how Pecco feels about throwing it away.
Just shows they are still pushing like crazy even tho it doesn't look like it.
A few sore bodies out there that need the break. Vinales highside was nasty.
Blimming heck Trackhouse blew everyone non Ducati away this weekend.

Quite surprised by the changes in Martin and Vinales attitudes TBH. The "me me me" seems to have gone from them.

Watched practice on 3now, downloaded Qually and sprint off Reddit then Pleasantly surprised the race finished 1am and was up on 3Now b4 8am this morning so no downloading, good effort 3now :)

Pleased for the break gotta strip the race bike down to bare frame damn cast footpeg mount lug has broken of the frame on No1 bike :mad:
So its new Rings, 6 speed gear cluster going in, modded clutch basket, FCR carbs, see if we can see over 150hp from the old girl :)

Be good if MM had some skill for sale ;):2thumbsup

C ya all in 3 weeks :motu:

[iYRe]

The paddock pass guys interviewed MM's head mechanic. He said the first bike he had was not right and so the one he crashed on was running just how he wanted. When he dropped he should have let go, but he tried to save it to save his crew working making the first bike work, which is why his injuries were a bit worse.

[Autech]

Great to see 2 of the better riders out there who've been down on luck showing their real potential again, Franky and Miguel.
Not a great look for the sport the mo with the Ducatis being so fucking dominant, I'm glad Pramac are leaving them next year, its just far too much of an advantage to overcome having that much data available. If they raced on Friday it'd be a totally different looking championship for sure.

Pedro Acosta is spending his summer break not on the beach, but at KTM to work with their people and learn what they do, that lad has some serious fucking work ethic. MV to win at Silverstone, you heard it here first.

[jato]

yep - Mav could very well do that - Jorge Martin would get a little peace of mind too...

[iYRe]

JM: "If I didnt fall off no one would be able to beat me" (paraphrase from an article that I can no longer find).

That just knocked him down a few notches in my book :/ I was just getting to like the guy

[Reckless]

JM: "If I didnt fall off no one would be able to beat me" (paraphrase from an article that I can no longer find).

That just knocked him down a few notches in my book :/ I was just getting to like the guy

"To Finish First, First you must Finish"

is the old saying LMAO:rolleyes:

[iYRe]

"To Finish First, First you must Finish"

is the old saying LMAO:rolleyes:

True that - there has been quite a bit of discussion about Ducati letting him go because of this propensity to fall inconveniently

[Grumph]

Just to point up the cut-throat nature of the MotGP world, I see a Moto3 rider has lost his contract for being too heavy.

He's 2kg heavier than his teammate. And 4cm shorter.


Many years back I remember listening to the lamentations of a 6ft 4in heavily muscled bucket rider.

"What can I do ?"

Me "Lose a leg"

[husaberg]

Just to point up the cut-throat nature of the MotGP world, I see a Moto3 rider has lost his contract for being too heavy.

He's 2kg heavier than his teammate. And 4cm shorter.


The question I would ask is, is was he lapping faster than his teammate.

[F5 Dave]

MM commented in his monthly column in BRM (our MNZ honcho, who did you think I meant?) That they should replace the 250s with 450s so it doesn't rule out slightly bigger kids, and also not be such a 3x cc 3x cylinder jump to moto2. He actually makes a good point. You could raise the min age and they stay longer in domestic series I'd guess.

[Grumph]

MM commented in his monthly column in BRM (our MNZ honcho, who did you think I meant?) That they should replace the 250s with 450s so it doesn't rule out slightly bigger kids, and also not be such a 3x cc 3x cylinder jump to moto2. He actually makes a good point. You could raise the min age and they stay longer in domestic series I'd guess.

I tend to agree. But when you look at history, the current Moto3's make roughly the same power and lap faster than the "classic" 500 singles which were the mainstay of GP racing for decades.
Where do you draw the line for a starting level formula ?

[Grumph]

The question I would ask is, is was he lapping faster than his teammate.

Don't know. Probably unlikely. But he may also have been light on sponsors money too.

It was on Crash.net with the official reason being weight. But the invisible bit is of course money.

[Autech]

Just to point up the cut-throat nature of the MotGP world, I see a Moto3 rider has lost his contract for being too heavy.

He's 2kg heavier than his teammate. And 4cm shorter.


Many years back I remember listening to the lamentations of a 6ft 4in heavily muscled bucket rider.

"What can I do ?"

Me "Lose a leg"

What a fucking fatty

[iYRe]

MM: Today it felt like I won the race being on the podium with my brother... today i had a cocktail from my doctor, tonight with my brother I have a different kind of cocktail!

PB: I have now more experience, 2 years ago I needed many laps to warm the right side, now I understand why, and I do it.

[Grumph]

PB: I have now more experience, 2 years ago I needed many laps to warm the right side, now I understand why, and I do it.

He's obviously never ridden at Levels. 540 degrees to the left between right turns.

[F5 Dave]

Never understood a preference for corner direction. In nzwe drive on the left, so our lefts are tighter than our rights.

But a short time of racing sorted that to insignificance..a lot of these guy have never ridden on the road

Apparently clockwise ccts are more common, but so what?

[husaberg]

Never understood a preference for corner direction. In nzwe drive on the left, so our lefts are tighter than our rights.

But a short time of racing sorted that to insignificance..a lot of these guy have never ridden on the road

Apparently clockwise ccts are more common, but so what?

Greymouth is nearly all rights with just one true left. As well as heating one side of the tire more than the other resulting in many crashes including high sides on the left hand bend past the police station. the rights are for some reason I find are always harder than the lefts.
I have no idea why.
Although our streets are very heavily cambered and this changes over the crown. Which doesn't help. but this is the same left or right.
the chicane leading up to the start finish is made to slow the riders down.
The circuit was drawn up as an anticlockwise circuit but was deemed to be potentially to fast by the then ACU if ran in that direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUkjUbNKrwU
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31828k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7XwIaxUTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=rnGwz86Sf7E

the council generally add sand to the white lines, as its been known to occasionally rain.

[pritch]

Apparently clockwise ccts are more common, but so what?

Did you hear the Oxley Bom chat about turn eleven?

[Grumph]

Greymouth is nearly all rights with just one true left. As well as heating one side of the tire more than the other resulting in many crashes including high sides on the left hand bend past the police station. the rights are for some reason I find are always harder than the lefts.
I have no idea why.

This was discussed with Sidecar Bob. Your leftwards bias we decided was the natural result of growing up in a labour stronghold.

Mine is genetic. The old man was a professional speedway rider. One eyed too - the left.

[husaberg]

This was discussed with Sidecar Bob. Your leftwards bias we decided was the natural result of growing up in a labour stronghold.

Mine is genetic. The old man was a professional speedway rider. One eyed too - the left.
Funny.
That last video was for you, its got Kevn on the "HONDOG"

[Grumph]

Funny.
That last video was for you, its got Kevn on the "HONDOG"



Never thought much of that commentator. Got pretty well everything wrong about the "Australian visitor."

[pritch]

The latest Oxley Bom podcast has an extensive interview with Livio Suppo. I read years ago that we are lucky there is sport, otherwise people like Suppo and Puig would be trying to conquer the world.

[Reckless]

I guess we won't be hearing him anymore

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1052608/1/simon-crafar-replace-freddie-spencer-chairman-fim-motogp-stewards-panel.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2024/07/24/simon-crafar-to-become-chairman-of-fim-motogp-stewards-panel-from-2025/504347?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=traffic&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2UmcEkVPygPAplZGov4-Hv73of03vyFi1HEo_Y-QKxqGvjJqKHPD21z78_aem_x4Szwu9zxxiwU83aRj4RNQ

:weep:

[iYRe]

I guess we won't be hearing him anymore

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1052608/1/simon-crafar-replace-freddie-spencer-chairman-fim-motogp-stewards-panel.

:weep:

Sad we wont hear from him, but I have a feeling it will be great for the stewards

[BMWST?]

I guess we won't be hearing him anymore



:weep:

Thats a pity.I been following Motogp for many many years(since about 76) Simon gave hints and insights and comments that I had never heard before. Seven Years! His first few GPs were a lot less fluent than he is now!

[F5 Dave]

Shame for the viewers.

. . :shifty:

Hey, I'd like to go watch all the rounds live and I'd like to interview the riders and teams. . .

I wonder if. . . ? :innocent:

[Reckless]

Shame for the viewers.

. . :shifty:

Hey, I'd like to go watch all the rounds live and I'd like to interview the riders and teams. . .

I wonder if. . . ? :innocent:

There won't be enough beer to keep you fluent enough for interviews everyday :first:

[F5 Dave]

Fair point. :drinknsin

[BMWST?]

There won't be enough beer to keep you fluent enough for interviews everyday :first:
Is there a beer sponsor? Rossi had a brewery sponsor at one time.

[iYRe]

So, I watched the Ducati ride of Champions. It was quite interesting. Iannone was faster than Bags. MM just cruised around in the qualifying, then in the last 2 laps of the main race caught up 1.4 secs to come third?
Martin was like, nowhere. Quite fascinating to see them riding basically stock bikes

[pritch]

Is there a beer sponsor? Rossi had a brewery sponsor at one time.

Yes. Estrella Galicia have sponsored teams, is/was the official beer of MotoGP, and was title sponsor of this year's Spanish GP.
If I saw it I'd buy it to try it but...

[Grumph]

So, I watched the Ducati ride of Champions. It was quite interesting. Iannone was faster than Bags. MM just cruised around in the qualifying, then in the last 2 laps of the main race caught up 1.4 secs to come third?
Martin was like, nowhere. Quite fascinating to see them riding basically stock bikes

No one wanted to get injured on a PR exercise. Except MM who bowled Bulega last lap to take his 3rd place.
Not a good look in front of Ducati management I'd have thought.
Esp as Bulega may have been injured according to some reports.

[iYRe]

No one wanted to get injured on a PR exercise. Except MM who bowled Bulega last lap to take his 3rd place.
Not a good look in front of Ducati management I'd have thought.
Esp as Bulega may have been injured according to some reports.

I thought this was hilarious:

The Spanish rider attacked Bulega on the'last lap, the two came into contact and the Superbike rider è fell to the ground, fortunately without suffering serious consequences but very astonished by the Spaniard's aggressiveness.

Marc Marquez at the end of the race è went to the box of Bulega to apologize and clarify the dynamics of the accident.


These are his words: "I think it was a show for all the fans. &It was a good race, we had fun, a great celebration for Ducati. At the start, at the first corner, there's been a bit of chaos. Too bad about the last lap, I heard Bulega fall. I don&#39t know if there was contact or not, I didn&#39t hear that much. We both go to the podium to celebrate".

If you get in the ring with Mike Tyson, dont expect him not to come at you.. I mean, the dude had just made 1.4 secs on you and had one corner to try and pass.
To be fair though, its not a good way to win friends :P

[iYRe]

Ooh, I just found this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C974x0lorO1/

It looks like 2 things are possible: Bulega left a wee (or no) gap and MM touched the back wheel inappropriately, or there was a wee gap and MM entered, and Bulega went WTF and stood the bike up.. I am not an expert though and that was too small a video to really make it out

edit: after watching it a few more times it doesnt look like there was a standing up of the bike, but there might have been the tiniest of gaps to get through.

edit2: an even more zoomed in version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOJTlZ9aPnY

[Grumph]

Standard club level mistake. Dive up the inside hoping a gap will occur. It doesn't and they bump.

And down Bulega goes.

Had it done to me at club meetings several times. Doesn't take much of a bump.


These PR races in midseason are not a good idea IMO. Too high a chance of getting hurt.

[onearmedbandit]

Some say it was a bad pass, others say it wasn't. All a matter of opinion really.

Edit - Seems Bulega's take on it differs from some online.

[iYRe]

That was my feeling as well, I found a few more video's that looked like he was trying to close a gap he momentarily left open and you cant do that when a shark is following lol.

[Reckless]

Here you go lads NZ times did this for myself might as well share.
Late night sunday but all watchable NZ time on 3Now


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[iYRe]

whelp... that was a sprint of much action. Some of those shots of Enea drifting that bike towards the end are just epic.

MM:
“There just I touched a little bit the white line and I tried to come back and without a warning I lose the front - but it's like this.

“We are riding super fast, they are riding super fast. And as we see every race, somebody is gonna make a mistake.”

[iYRe]

Not sure what to think of the GP on the weekend other than the 24 Duc is miles ahead of everything - even the 2023. Issues with the front being too cold?

Interesting interview with MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av0Fo2hZWHo

[pritch]

Simon reports that this lady is one of the team that designed the Triumph Moto 2 engine. If you had asked me to imagine a member of that team the result would not have been that good looking.

[jato]

Iqra Hamid
Senior Powertrain Design Engineer at Triumph Motorcycles Limited ... regardless of pretty girl or crusty old bugger i'd enjoy finding out how they go about their work - what size gear dogs for third? damper spring sizing? etc - they obviously are pretty good at it as i don't recall any poo-ing themselves

[Grumph]

Iqra Hamid
Senior Powertrain Design Engineer at Triumph Motorcycles Limited ... regardless of pretty girl or crusty old bugger i'd enjoy finding out how they go about their work - what size gear dogs for third? damper spring sizing? etc - they obviously are pretty good at it as i don't recall any poo-ing themselves

Agreed. Cameron used to refer to it as accumulating a notebook of what works. theirs must be pretty full by now.

[pritch]

Agreed. Cameron used to refer to it as accumulating a notebook of what works. theirs must be pretty full by now.

Triumph are doing the same as Honda did. The engines are sent to Spain and disassembled then reassembled so as to be as near as possible the same power output. Within 1% or 1.5bhp.

Here we are: https://www.gpone.com/en/2019/06/05/moto2/triumph-all-the-secrets-of-the-record-breaking-engine.html

[F5 Dave]

And what do they polish the ports with? I'd say Pledge. But they probably have a branded Triumph mixture. :confused:

[Grumph]

And what do they polish the ports with? I'd say Pledge. But they probably have a branded Triumph mixture. :confused:

Nothing. I'd pick that the bare heads go on a CNC controlled copy porting machine. As they come off those machines there's usually no hand work required.
It's pretty much the only way to guarantee equal flow between heads.

The senior Ban brother here in ChCh has one of those machines - which I've been fortunate enough to be shown over.

[F5 Dave]

Last time I saw Jr bro we were extracting ourselves from a trail we'd gone the wrong way into. He coped really well despite minimal dirtbike experience.
Later we traded phtos of medical interventions.

Humans are disgusting.

[sugilite]

Been a bit to busy to post of late, did watch the silverstone races. I was home alone for the first time in a very long time, so I was yahooing out loud several times during the sprint race!
For me the main race was not as exciting.

I really thought MM would of won a race by now. I know the GP24 is a fair bit better than the GP23 this year, but yeah, hmmmmm.
Be interesting to see how Martin goes on the Aprillia next year. I do not reckon the KTM will be suited to Mavericks riding style at all. Though I stand to be corrected. :yes:

[Reckless]

Not sure If you want me to take up thread space with these times. Say if it annoys you and I'll stop.
I do these on my computer and snap shot them with my phone as a quick reference because these days I can't remember anything for more than an hour unless it's something I want to buy for a bike or get for the race bikes LOL

Looks like qually and practice watchable on 3 Now
Download the sprint off reddit Sunday morning and watch with breaky.
Then prob a late night Sunday or download and early Breakfast on Monday Morn.
3now are too slow to get the races up early enough usually??

Only Bloody problem here it takes longer to transfer the download from the computer to the transportable hard drive so I can take it up to the TV and watch.
They are all networked I'll have to find out how to share it.
I can download directly to the drive but its just as slow must be the speed of the cable between my computer and the drive.
Bloody frustrating when the download is 14 mins and the drive transfer is another 25 mins. First world problems lol

Enjoy

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[jato]

Cheers Reckless - saves me doing heaps of maths working out nz times from the local ones. If Bastianini keeps up his recent form you would imagine there would be some awkward murmurs within the ducati camp

[Grumph]

Cheers Reckless - saves me doing heaps of maths working out nz times from the local ones. If Bastianini keeps up his recent form you would imagine there would be some awkward murmurs within the ducati camp

In one of the press conferences after the British GP he pointed out that the first two - him and Martin - weren't wanted by Ducati next season.
If he keeps up this form he and Martin will be poking Ducati management as hard as they can.

Might get interesting.

[iYRe]

Might get really interesting because I heard that the gp23's dont have some of the fancy bits that the 24's have. That is they dont have the latest traction control, ride height etc. There is a suggestion that some of these bits might end up on MM's machine in order to help him over come the power deficit he has and enable him to get a bit closer to EB and JM so Pecco has a better chance. MM thinks he's usually only going to finish 4-5th.
Sure will be interesting.

Also, Miller to Pramac Yamaha next year.

[F5 Dave]

Would be a risk that MM doesn't take points of Pecco. I mean, try taming the Tiger.

[iYRe]

Would be a risk that MM doesn't take points of Pecco. I mean, try taming the Tiger.

Yeah I guess it would. But then it would be better to have #1 at the factory rather than Aprilia or elsewhere I guess.

[Reckless]

Yeah I guess it would. But then it would be better to have #1 at the factory rather than Aprilia or elsewhere I guess.

I wonder how many think the no1 should NOW stay with the bike.
With MM saying you have to ride it like it likes to be ridden, not how you like to ride it.
Plus the gap to the other bikes it is gradually becoming more and more about the bike and Aero not the rider.
You can't tell me someone like Binder wouldn't be further up without all the enhancement differences.
Bit Sad for the sport we are lucky we have got 4 bikes going at it hammer and tongs this season with the MM factor as a bonus.
Next season might be MM and Bagnia going at it and the others out back????

Thats not good :facepalm:

[iYRe]

I wonder how many think the no1 should NOW stay with the bike.
With MM saying you have to ride it ride it likes, not how you like to ride.
Plus the gap to the other bikes it is gradually becoming more and more about the bike and Aero not the rider.
You can't tell me someone like Binder wouldn't be further up without all the enhancement differences.
Bit Sad for the sport we are lucky we have got 4 bikes going at it hammer and tongs this season with the MM factor as a bonus.
Next season might be MM and Bagnia going at it and the others out back????

Thats not good :facepalm:

Yeah I kinda think this whole ducati thing is spoiling the spectacle a bit.. even when MM was winning everything on the Honda, other brands were still giving a bit of a challenge...

[F5 Dave]

So Oxleys latest blog is enlightening.
Supposedly the GP24 uses the new much more grippy rear tyre, so much more effectively than the 23. Or the other bikes.
So 24s have often dropped a second from last year. A major step, so while everyone is a bit faster, they are a Lot faster.

Explains the relative competitiveness of all the field.

Also the new rear tyre caused most bikes issues getting to grips(sic) with it. And it pushes the front tyre more. The grip of rear makes the 24 faster. But it does make the balancing act more critical.

Which is why Bags and Jorge more likely to step over that line. As we have seen a fair bit this season.

Ahh.

[Reckless]

BREAKING 🚨
Ai Ogura will move up to #MotoGP with Trackhouse Racing next year

[roogazza]

Acosta locked the front at, according to the on-board TV graphic, around 305kph or 190mph, and fortunately separated from his bike as it headed towards the inside wall.

That would make the arsehole pucker a bit ! He's young and ok ! :sweatdrop

[sugilite]

Acosta locked the front at, according to the on-board TV graphic, around 305kph or 190mph, and fortunately separated from his bike as it headed towards the inside wall.

That would make the arsehole pucker a bit ! He's young and ok ! :sweatdrop

Crafer was saying that the larger crash came from Acosta not taking the bike back for repairs after the earlier smaller crash. A learning experience for the gifted young fella.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1053528/1/cause-300kph-pedro-acosta-austrian-motogp-fp1-crash-identified

[Reckless]

Some would say boring but I gotta say that Pecco is a master and a pleasure to watch.
Martin can't figure him out, seemed to have tried his best and simply got bettered.
Not by much, but just enough. Pecco forced a JM error in the sprint, then was just better in the race.

It is one thing to share data but I am wondering if by the way Pecco powered out of the corners better, his tech's are better at the actual programming for him.
Do they share the data or the programming I wonder? Sorta thinking about what struggles might be between MM and Pecco next year, interesting :devil2:

IMHO Gives me some consolation for my high nerve cock ups seeing MM fucks up the start so bad at his level.
He engaged the start device, tried to warm the tyre and accidentally disengaged it, couldn't get off the line, then ran into Morbid into the first corner.
Bloody lucky there, I reckon.

That bloody Pommy commentary is starting to drive me crazy they wanna talk about everything but what is actually happening on track.

[iYRe]

Pecco's bike seems faster... he went past Martin like he was standing still.

Apparently MM had a broken valve on the front, he had to go back, get the tyre swapped to the rim and re-setup (something to with pressures). Then he engaged and disengaged the front ride height and supposedly it wouldnt re-engage. But then I have also heard that he forgot to re-engage it because he was worried about all the other stuff.

He made up 6 secs on Bastianini or something (maybe 4), in just a few laps.

On the commentary I was listening to they said (from the sprint) that supposedly they can see all Pecco's settings and can just replicate them.

Also they said MM was faster because of that heat treating on the tires. He said the normal ones are super sticky on the side then completely different in the middle and he doesnt like it, its like 2 different tyres.

[sugilite]

Yeah guys, I agree. Peccos bike does seem to have more power - at times.
In the sprint race he was jumping out most corners better when compared to martin.
When pecco passed martin in the long race, it looked for all the World like martin had stopped trackside to get a cappuccino!
It made we wonder if sneaky Gigi has set up some sort of F1 style push to pass giving peco extra revs or something? Unlike the sprint race, in the main race once peco was past, he did not seem to jump out the corners away from martin like he was consistently doing in the sprint race, rather peco just eased away over time. Hmmmmmm :sherlock:

[iYRe]

Yeah guys, I agree. Peccos bike does seem to have more power - at times.
In the sprint race he was jumping out most corners better when compared to martin.
When pecco passed martin in the long race, it looked for all the World like martin had stopped trackside to get a cappuccino!
It made we wonder if sneaky Gigi has set up some sort of F1 style push to pass giving peco extra revs or something? Unlike the sprint race, in the main race once peco was past, he did not seem to jump out the corners away from martin like he was consistently doing in the sprint race, rather peco just eased away over time. Hmmmmmm :sherlock:


Pecco said he was trying to ease away by 1 or 2 hundredth's each lap...

[Grumph]

My understanding is that the rider can switch engine maps on the fly. Yes, post race or post a practise session others can look at Peco's settings - but not in real time during a race. Or if they can, it's not much use the pit signalling "Peco's using map 3" after he's passed.

If he's switching to a more agressive map to gain and pass - then switching back - there's not a lot anyone saving tyres can do about it.

[Reckless]

My understanding is that the rider can switch engine maps on the fly. Yes, post race or post a practise session others can look at Peco's settings - but not in real time during a race. Or if they can, it's not much use the pit signalling "Peco's using map 3" after he's passed.

If he's switching to a more aggressivee map to gain and pass - then switching back - there's not a lot anyone saving tyres can do about it.

I was actually wondering if sharing the final data off the race bike in a race is the same as how to input the settings to get that data.
In my small mind they'd be two different things would they not, if you get my drift.

So would the data readout contain enough information for any engineer walk over to MM's bike and input exactly what was put into Pecco's bike.
Or would the final data only tell where he was getting extra traction on track and you would need Peccos engineer to share his skill in how he got it???

Overthinking again LOL

[iYRe]

I dont think the settings work from Pecco to MM. But they should - the commentators said - cut and paste from Pecco to Martin/Bastinini.

Grumph might be right though, could it be that Pecco is being smarter about how how he uses his mappings. I just think that Ducati dont want Martin to leave with the #1, so they have gone full on with Pecco's bike - and notice MM's bike was a little more competitive as well.

Interestingly MM said that even with a perfect performance and perfect feeling he doesnt think he can keep up with Pecco and Martin.

Enea said that he struggled to get his ride height device to engage at the start line and that if you dont get it engaged you are 4 tenths slower.. I cant wait till those things are gone.

[Grumph]

I see it mentioned elsewhere that the engines have been sealed since the start of the season.
So if Ducati were trying to favour Peco, they'd have needed a good clairvoyant as no-one could reasonably have forseen the chaotic rider moves this season.
It's also been pointed out that top speeds are the same - it's off corners where Peco gains.

[diesel pig]

I see it mentioned elsewhere that the engines have been sealed since the start of the season.
So if Ducati were trying to favour Peco, they'd have needed a good clairvoyant as no-one could reasonably have forseen the chaotic rider moves this season.
It's also been pointed out that top speeds are the same - it's off corners where Peco gains.

Switch would point towards his bike getting better rear wheel traction compared to the others.

[iYRe]

MM: "I braked and engaged well the front device - But then I braked again (to try and heat the front tyre and it disengaged (the device). Then I didnt have enough speed to engage it (on the grid).

[F5 Dave]

I dont think the settings work from Pecco to MM. But they should - the commentators said - cut and paste from Pecco to Martin/Bastinini.

. . . .
Those last 3 are GP24s. MM of course on a 23 which will have to be set up subtly different to best suit its geometry.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah guys, I agree. Peccos bike does seem to have more power - at times.
In the sprint race he was jumping out most corners better when compared to martin.
When pecco passed martin in the long race, it looked for all the World like martin had stopped trackside to get a cappuccino!
It made we wonder if sneaky Gigi has set up some sort of F1 style push to pass giving peco extra revs or something? Unlike the sprint race, in the main race once peco was past, he did not seem to jump out the corners away from martin like he was consistently doing in the sprint race, rather peco just eased away over time. Hmmmmmm :sherlock:
You are indeed a cynical man.
That would have to be hidden very carefully by someone very attuned to the rules and with a pathological desire to be the winning team.
It did look a touch easy.

[iYRe]

Those last 3 are GP24s. MM of course on a 23 which will have to be set up subtly different to best suit its geometry.


yeah therein lies the problem. Martin should have been ok though, he could have used them.

[Reckless]

Here you go lads times for this weekend

Personally, had a great day racing last Sunday at NZCMRR Hampton got my first 3rd place finish with a 6th and 7th thrown in.
And that was in the No2 bike a totally stock 55,000k FZR with a still working ex-up.
My wet bike set up for the wet, soft and smooth, I doubt its 120hp. Only upgrade is Brembo's.
Nice sunny day for a change even got some good Vid on my race page.
No where near Paul Pav's times or the top times for pre89 around there but good enough for a pensioner :Punk:

Enough of that Times under. Much the same as last GP.

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[jato]

its about time we had a nail-biter race... i see we have aragon and its fairly tight with mostly left corners. if mm gets away without miss-adventure it could be a good 3 way skirmish.

[iYRe]

its about time we had a nail-biter race... i see we have aragon and its fairly tight with mostly left corners. if mm gets away without miss-adventure it could be a good 3 way skirmish.

Here's hoping... I think he has had some factory upgrades too.. improved ride height device etc

[F5 Dave]

Yeah but they can only drop it so far, 24 is redesigned to move parts around apparently. Qatar they had it rubbing so bad it smoked when MM hit bumps.

Be good when those things are gone and traction is the juggling compromise.

[Grumph]

They'll still have traction control in the electronics suite. The smaller engines won't have as much torque either so it may get a tad processional.

[iYRe]

Crafar was saying that its possible it might be wet this weekend and so should it turn into a flag to flag, and if he gets off the mark, he might have a chance to win

[F5 Dave]

Give them 4 gears and 4.5" rear rims.

Zero to hero with every gear change and lots of spinning setting off the traction if you mangle your throttle application.

[diesel pig]

Just watching the Moto3 and it occurs to me I don't know if there is a bike in it that's like the old Yamaha TZ250 or Honda RS125?

[Grumph]

Just watching the Moto3 and it occurs to me I don't know if there is a bike in it that's like the old Yamaha TZ250 or Honda RS125?

If it helps apparently the Honda frame is based on the RS125.
Both it and the KTM are hugely oversquare singles peaking around 13 grand
KTM is 81 X 48.5 so probably huge valves.
They're just very efficient air pumps.

[F5 Dave]

My lawnmower is a 4 stroke.


[actually that's big lies. I don't own a lawnmower]

[diesel pig]

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. I mean (I think you Grumph was the one who told me) that you could walk into any Yamaha dealership in the past and if you had the money, you could order a Brand new TZ for the next race season and if you were lucky it would turn up a month before the race season started. Or are all the Moto3 machines factory specials and for the poorer teams old factory specials?

[F5 Dave]

You need a team. You get there by doing well in Red Bull Rookies. Kinda closed shop.

Think ktm actually make money from engine and they have hondas arse.

To make it worse you need to be a featherweight.

That's probably why my submission wasn't accepted.
And I say I wasn't riding a stinkin 4 stroke. Actually they never got back to me. . .

[Grumph]

I think the regs say the bikes have to be available for sale. Certainly the factories have to make available a minimum number.

But they're for approved purchasers. Which effectively means teams already signed up for Moto3

I believe Honda do a lower spec bike for things like the Japanese Championship.
And it would appear that if you have the right contacts KTM engines can be had
Probably last years engines rebuilt.

[diesel pig]

Ah, So like a lot of things in life, its not what you know, it's who you know.

[F5 Dave]

And you can know anyone at the right price.

[F5 Dave]

. MM set a new record for Aragon. He’s been on form all day apparently. He was promised new bits ?? Has that made a difference?

[iYRe]

. MM set a new record for Aragon. He’s been on form all day apparently. He was promised new bits ?? Has that made a difference?

dunno if it made a difference but its his track and its not one that Pecco is so good at.. MM is just so so fast on left handers.
To be fair, late in the race last week he was the fastest guy on track too.. could be an epic race tomorrow

[jato]

Quite entertaining that one - esp Binder n Quarto showing what plenty of mongrel can do... roll on midnight

[onearmedbandit]

Master class performance.

[iYRe]

Master class performance.

just a mere 4 sec lead lol...

What on earth happened to Pecco? Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

[Reckless]

just a mere 4 sec lead lol...

What on earth happened to Pecco? Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

Enea was even worse the factory team seems lost?????????????

[iYRe]

Enea was even worse the factory team seems lost?????????????
blame the tyres, Pecco did :P

[onearmedbandit]

Another master class performance. It will be interesting to see what comes of the Bagnia/A Marquez incident.

[mulletman]

Pecco was going to take Alex in the next lap or so and should have waited :doh:<_<

[F5 Dave]

Hw should have waited I agree. I think AM was struggling with grip, ran a little wide, saved the situation as best he could and jumped under the right side of the bike, but during this Peco had tried to swoop past.
In his mind it was clean, but the consequence was Alex couldn't just dissappear having held his position and then a Red bike blocked his exit at what looks like a slow speed on TV but would be terrifying for one of us if it unfolded ahead of us.

Midfield in the sprint was actually good to watch. Glad the focused on it.

Was actually really happy for MM to win after his hardship. Never would have thought that 5 years ago.:scratch:

[BMWST?]

apparently the data showed that MM was able to carry 4 to 5 degrees more lean angle than any of the Ducatis.
Regardig the AM PB crash I think its mostly the fault of Bagnaia. What did he expect AM to do just let him past?.He was complaining that AM had the throttle open! :baby:
They compared it to the PA/JM incident which was completely different.
I am really glad for MM .I dont think anyone knows what he has been through.

[Grumph]

apparently the data showed that MM was able to carry 4 to 5 degrees more lean angle than any of the Ducatis.

Given that it is known that the tyre quality is variable - as shown by those with traction problems who don't usually have them - it should follow that there will be an occasional very good tyre.
Identifying them should be a priority.

[iYRe]

According to some sources, both AM and PB should have known better - AM should have known PB would have tried to go under, and PB should have known that AM would come back in. Just a racing incident and I think it just shows that PB is not quite sure when he should be taking those chances... That's not the first time.

[onearmedbandit]

Given that it is known that the tyre quality is variable - as shown by those with traction problems who don't usually have them - it should follow that there will be an occasional very good tyre.
Identifying them should be a priority.

He must've had a lucky batch of tyres all weekend long lol

[iYRe]

He must've had a lucky batch of tyres all weekend long lol


Its a low grip track.. and everyone was complaining about it. The KTM's couldnt lean at all. MM doesnt care if he has grip or not apparently - he's 5 secs faster than bikes that were 2 secs faster on other tracks, and he even said he had more if he needed it..

Lets see how the next race pans out.. the season is getting exiting. There is no guarantee Martin or Bagnaia are going to win anything

[merv]

From what I saw in the PB AM incident PB just tried to swoop around in front of AM's bike, AM had nowhere to go. The way the bikes then locked together was interesting. I heard someone mention that they thought the rear aero on PB's Duc, as he was leaning over, caught AM. So did it catch on his front aero which was up high due to him leaning to the right and is that why his bike was stood up and he just couldn't stay back?

The swooping across in front of AM to me was very reminiscent of the incident where Simoncelli did the same to Pedrosa many years ago and wiped him out. That time there was no aero to lock together so Simoncelli just carried on up the track.

[onearmedbandit]

Its a low grip track.. and everyone was complaining about it. The KTM's couldnt lean at all. MM doesnt care if he has grip or not apparently - he's 5 secs faster than bikes that were 2 secs faster on other tracks, and he even said he had more if he needed it..

Lets see how the next race pans out.. the season is getting exiting. There is no guarantee Martin or Bagnaia are going to win anything

Yeah I was talking (or typing?) tongue-in-cheek, most followers of the sport know he's one of the kings of low grip conditions.

[iYRe]

Yeah I was talking (or typing?) tongue-in-cheek, most followers of the sport know he's one of the kings of low grip conditions.

I figured you were, was just adding some intel I gleaned from some short english guy on the net who's name escapes me :P

[Reckless]

AM Pecco Accident

I watch another couple of Pecco crashes in the past on the net where he takes the line to early.

I think that is what happened here. He reckons when he is 1/2 way passed the other rider should back off.
At all times we should give "racing room". We rely on it as racers.
AM can't button off and throw all the weight on the front especially in those conditions.
Pecco is saying AM kept throttle on and therefore it was deliberate I don't think this makes it deliberate.

I reckon if Pecco gave a little more racing room he would have been off and on his way.

[Grumph]

AM Pecco Accident

I watch another couple of Pecco crashes in the past on the net where he takes the line to early.

I think that is what happened here. He reckons when he is 1/2 way passed the other rider should back off.
At all times we should give "racing room". We rely on it as racers.
AM can't button off and throw all the weight on the front especially in those conditions.
Pecco is saying AM kept throttle on and therefore it was deliberate I don't think this makes it deliberate.

I reckon if Pecco gave a little more racing room he would have been off and on his way.

It's pretty simple. the onus is on the overtaking rider to ensure they pass safely.

Never seen or heard anything about how far past you are to have right of way.

This is not car racing and none of their rules or conventions apply.

[F5 Dave]

Michelin apparently work very hard to keep tyres consistent apparently, it is all down to a science as much as possible.
But we have seen the odd howler.

The track was recently resurfaced in some areas. Ideally you'd do that 10 months before a major event to round sharpest of edges off (that destroy tyres) and lay some rubber in.

JM got there and Acosta and Binder seems be OK with low grip. So did Bags but it took him all weekend. I bet he's pissed as he was limiting damage but took IMO too great a risk when he didn't need to.

Still. Give us warriors something to talk about. :nono::rolleyes:

[merv]

Here's a video showing a lot of angles. It does look a bit like Pecco just cut across Alex's nose and the bikes locked together:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLFeStvmwJw

[iYRe]

as I understand it, Alex can only be at fault if he looks to the right and sees Pecco. I dont see his head move, he's trying to wrangle the bike and is looking at where he wants to put it... thats what I see anyway

[Reckless]

Here is a close up of AM throttle hand in support of the Pecco theory.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1221046475903466

In evaluation of the I didn't see him theory you have to remember AM is looking at the apex then flicks his eyes way up the track to the exit.
If he is already looking way up the track it makes sense he didnt see him but who can judge that LOL

There might actually be 2 things going on here
1.Pecco relied on AM to back off sooner and he was wrong in that decision and chopped him off.
2.Weather or not AM got the shits and ran into him is the second phase of the accident.

I like Pecco, not so keen on AM. Looking at the debates going on, I guess the stewards got it right.

Statement by FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel
"The incident between Bagnaia #1 and Marquez #73 on Lap 18 at Turn 13 is included in the investigation process and is investigated after the race.
"FIM MotoGP Stewards interviewed both riders and listened to an explanation of the incident from both perspectives, as well as examined some of the views and other photo sources available, as well as machine data."
"In the trial, both riders explained the level of grip outside the difficult racing line, and according to Stewards, this is a contributing factor in the case of riders' ability to make choices in order to avoid contact."
"The conclusion of the FIM MotoGP Stewards have considered all points, and without a definite evidence factor, is that none of the riders have been determined to be more responsible for the incident." "
Source: FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel

[sugilite]

I really enjoyed seeing MM putting it altogether for both the sprint and main race. Nailed the starts, kept off the slippery shit and ran two very controlled races. This will do wonders for his self belief.

The main thing that amazed me with the Peco and Alex prang was how little damage Peco took. Today's safety gear is bloody amazing. Even with 500GP bikes being so light, if the rider ended up under one it was always carnage. Nowadays we have Peco complaining of a sore neck while fronting cameras only moments after getting rag dolled by 2 motorcycles!

Watching it had me questioning, can anyone think of another sport that matches Motorcycle racing for the shear scale and brutality combined with bodily vulnerability as to the physics involved when things go wrong?

[F5 Dave]

Here's a video showing a lot of angles. It does look a bit like Pecco just cut across Alex's nose and the bikes locked together:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLFeStvmwJw
From the 2nd one, if you just focus on AM, I don't see what he did wrong.

[merv]

From the 2nd one, if you just focus on AM, I don't see what he did wrong.

Do you think the same as I do that he had little choice because the bikes got locked together and he was pulled towards Pecco's bike?

Those going on about his throttle position, geez once Pecco's bike touched his and pulled his bike away I doubt he was doing much but hanging on for grim death and hardly worrying about throttle position. It all happened in such a short time, like in about the 17th to 18th second in that video I posted above.

Any one watching the slo mos is tricking themselves into thinking they had more time to do anything. The only saviour would have been if Pecco didn't try and swoop across the front of Alex in the first place.

[iYRe]

I really enjoyed seeing MM putting it altogether for both the sprint and main race. Nailed the starts, kept off the slippery shit and ran two very controlled races. This will do wonders for his self belief.

I was watching "the good the bad and the rugby" and Jeremy Paul was saying confidence is like a cup you have to keep filling up. You cant just fill it and it stays that way.

Its pretty obvious now why Ducati chose MM and not the others.. if they can get 1 or 2 more good seasons from him its worth it, the others can take his spot after.

[Grumph]

Watching it had me questioning, can anyone think of another sport that matches Motorcycle racing for the shear scale and brutality combined with bodily vulnerability as to the physics involved when things go wrong?

Steeplechasing - horse racing over jumps. Pretty sure the armour needed to survive a horse falling on you hasn't been developed yet.

[BMWST?]

1.Pecco relied on AM to back off sooner and he was wrong in that decision and chopped him off.
2.Weather or not AM got the shits and ran into him is the second phase of the accident.

I like Pecco, not so keen on AM. Looking at the debates going on, I guess the stewards got it right.



are you saying in point 2 that Alex ran into him on purpose?

Pecco has shown this impatience before.He was going to pass Alex,probably would have done it on the back Straight.

[sugilite]

I was watching "the good the bad and the rugby" and Jeremy Paul was saying confidence is like a cup you have to keep filling up. You cant just fill it and it stays that way.

Its pretty obvious now why Ducati chose MM and not the others.. if they can get 1 or 2 more good seasons from him its worth it, the others can take his spot after.
Ha! I saw that exact video and oh so came close to saying MM is rapidly filling his confidence cup!


Steeplechasing - horse racing over jumps. Pretty sure the armour needed to survive a horse falling on you hasn't been developed yet.
Very good point, I have seen some of those crashes and though bloody hell how do they not get trampled by a thousand hooves!

[iYRe]

Ha! I saw that exact video and oh so came close to saying MM is rapidly filling his confidence cup!

Hahaha excellent.. great minds eh!

[SaferRides]

I was watching "the good the bad and the rugby" and Jeremy Paul was saying confidence is like a cup you have to keep filling up. You cant just fill it and it stays that way.

Its pretty obvious now why Ducati chose MM and not the others.. if they can get 1 or 2 more good seasons from him its worth it, the others can take his spot after.
I think part of signing Marc was deciding who they didn't want riding for Aprillia! It became fairly obvious that either Marquez or Martin would sign for them if they didn't get a factory seat at Ducati.

There's a Mat Oxley article in Motorsport magazine saying how it could be a rerun of Senna vs. Prost. I doubt that somehow, but it should be entertaining.

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[Reckless]

are you saying in point 2 that Alex ran into him on purpose?

No Not on purpose but in the moment maybe its, fuck this, thats my line/corner, instead of easing a bit, then Pecco keeps coming over and between them both decisions = :nono:

As I say maybe the stewards got it right both to blame.

Anyway this weekend Basically same as last weekend

Enjoy

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[iYRe]

After his win, MM went to the Honda garage and spoke to them


Asked on Thursday if he had spoken to his former crew chief Santi Hernandez, Marquez said: “Yesterday, I went to the Repsol Honda garage and I gathered all the group and I said: ‘feel part of this victory’.

“Not only Santi, but they also suffered with me. They helped me a lot in the very deep moments.


“So, that part of the garage, I want to say on the personal side that they also feel part of my process.”


After his final race with Honda in Valencia last year, Marquez remarked in his media debrief that the squad would be “the team of my life”.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1054626/1/marc-marquez-gathered-santi-hernandez-and-honda-feel-part-aragon-victory


Also, soon to be chief of stewards, Mr Crafar said that both AM and PB were at fault and so the best call is the call the stewards made.
I agree, but I suspect next year Simon is going to be a lot more "diplomatic". At least the steward calls might be even more sensible.

[Grumph]

After his win, MM went to the Honda garage and spoke to them



https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1054626/1/marc-marquez-gathered-santi-hernandez-and-honda-feel-part-aragon-victory


Also, soon to be chief of stewards, Mr Crafar said that both AM and PB were at fault and so the best call is the call the stewards made.
I agree, but I suspect next year Simon is going to be a lot more "diplomatic". At least the steward calls might be even more sensible.


I'd love to message Si and tell him to channel Ray Shearman when he's in the chair of the Stewards group.

Don't think he had much to do with Ray though so may not have seen him at his imperious best.

[F5 Dave]

Apparently MM regularly spends much time with the team, dining, chatting, where a lot of the riders are in a corner with their manager.
For an Alien Android, he goes out if his way to seem quite human.

[iYRe]

Apparently MM regularly spends much time with the team, dining, chatting, where a lot of the riders are in a corner with their manager.
For an Alien Android, he goes out if his way to seem quite human.

yep, that's my experience. In the Trophy Hunter doco, people seemed to think all the stuff about him having his team over for a BBQ and stuff was staged. I am less inclined to think that now...

[diesel pig]

I'd love to message Si and tell him to channel Ray Shearman when he's in the chair of the Stewards group.

Don't think he had much to do with Ray though so may not have seen him at his imperious best.

I was half watching a pommie murder mystery the other night, set at a motorbike race and they had a actor being a race steward who I think they were trying to have come cross as very mean n' grouchy and I just thought he was doing a very toned down and relaxed Ray Shearman.

[Grumph]

I'd watched Ray since I was a kid. He was the end product of working under Ian Ward then old Tom McCleary.
Both very stern and knowledgeable Senior Stewards.

The ad on TV where an old duck wins at Housie and marches up to the front is an old one. She walks past a guy who looks like Ray -but with white hair.
He only died 2015 - I don't know if the ad is that old.

[husaberg]

I was half watching a pommie murder mystery the other night, set at a motorbike race and they had a actor being a race steward who I think they were trying to have come cross as very mean n' grouchy and I just thought he was doing a very toned down and relaxed Ray Shearman.

I'd watched Ray since I was a kid. He was the end product of working under Ian Ward then old Tom McCleary.
Both very stern and knowledgeable Senior Stewards.
.
They all knew that we weren't racing for sheep stations.....

When did riders reps first come about, that must have filtered out a lot of time wasting and improved the stewards mood

[Grumph]

They all knew that we weren't racing for sheep stations.....

When did riders reps first come about, that must have filtered out a lot of time wasting and improved the stewards mood

Good question. I first saw them used at Nationals mid 80's. The Classic Register meetings I'd been doing prior to that didn't have them

Also it depended how much of a "rules mechanic" the rep was. Many Stewards then didn't know the book very well.

[mulletman]

Sucks to be JM...first of the leading group to come in for a bike swap and no one from that lot follows.

Good win for MM while Pecco used his head to be ok with 2nd and take it a bit easier (if theres such a thing) for his sore bod.

[iYRe]

Sucks to be JM...first of the leading group to come in for a bike swap and no one from that lot follows.

Good win for MM while Pecco used his head to be ok with 2nd and take it a bit easier (if theres such a thing) for his sore bod.

In his interview Pecco said that even if he had been healthy he might have been able to challenge, and that the gap would have been less, but I think since MM was pulling away even before Pecco gave up I suspect the gap being less means he might have been closer if MM had made a mistake.

How MM snuck through that big group of bikes when it got wet then buggered off was masterful. Binder and Miller too, if it had stayed a bit wet it might have been a MM - Binder - Miller finish.

I dont think I can recall a race where 5 bikes were a lap down.. that must be some kind of record.

Martin looked to be crying into his wheaties at the end.

[Reckless]

Wow Just Wow LOL :clap:
Someone got a stirring spoon and gave the whole damn outfit a big stir up or the rain did :2thumbsup
JM let his emotions get the better of his head unfortunately. I do feel for him.

Soooo MM 53 points behind I dare you to bet against him with the upcoming track Like Phillip Island and the unpredictable conditions there, plus a few countries with thunderstorms that can roll in.
Isn't it two weekends in a row that Pecco says he didn't quite have the pace?? MM seems to have that Ducati worked out that's for sure.

As much as I am not really an MM fan you gotta admit he is bloody impressive. I wouldn't bet the house on it but 7 rounds to go Lads :girlfight:

On a personal note, whole damn weekend in the garage and had my engine builder here today. Filled the no1 bike up with running in oil, water etc. and got her fired up after a big rebuild. We run it in on the dyno next Monday, but I think the bloody thing is still going to scare the shit outa me every time I twist it. Sounds crisp as.

[BMWST?]

Wow Just Wow LOL :clap:
Someone got a stirring spoon and gave the whole damn outfit a big stir up or the rain did :2thumbsup
JM let his emotions get the better of his head unfortunately. I do feel for him.

Soooo MM 53 points behind I dare you to bet against him with the upcoming track Like Phillip Island and the unpredictable conditions there, plus a few countries with thunderstorms that can roll in.
Isn't it two weekends in a row that Pecco says he didn't quite have the pace?? MM seems to have that Ducati worked out that's for sure.

As much as I am not really an MM fan you gotta admit he is bloody impressive. I wouldn't bet the house on it but 7 rounds to go Lads :girlfight:

On a personal note, whole damn weekend in the garage and had my engine builder here today. Filled the no1 bike up with running in oil, water etc. and got her fired up after a big rebuild. We run it in on the dyno next Monday, but I think the bloody thing is still going to scare the shit outa me every time I twist it. Sounds crisp as.
I dont get it. Surely JM has to track Bagnaia .He should have just followed him. Thats what MM said, Pecco and Enea are locals,I just follow what they did

[roogazza]

I just fast forward it ! Rain can spoil motorbike racing.
WSB in France got the same treatment , it was crap. :shifty:<_<:no::confused::mellow:

[BMWST?]

I just fast forward it ! Rain can spoil motorbike racing.
WSB in France got the same treatment , it was crap. :shifty:<_<:no::confused::mellow:
the rain makes it more equal imho,you can see the guys who have that extra special feeling,throttle control etc

[Reckless]

I dont get it. Surely JM has to track Bagnaia .He should have just followed him. Thats what MM said, Pecco and Enea are locals,I just follow what they did

Because JM is a fire cracker, it's what makes him fast in qually, he knows that now, but you can't change nature in the moment.
We have seen big changes in him but in that situation, nature took over.

Interesting sport Aye :banana:

[roogazza]

the rain makes it more equal imho,you can see the guys who have that extra special feeling,throttle control etc

Yeah mate agree, as you say it equals everything out.
Funny enough even at my low level in local racing, in the early days I quite liked it wet mainly because I got good results.
But my pref is for dry, everyone the same .
Not some coming in for wets and others staying in the hope of a drying track? Then there's penalties and all this tyre pressure requirement level.Pitstops etc.

The WSB in France was pissing with rain and after losing some of the normal front guys to crashing and pit stops it looked like a second tier race. I found it hard to maintain an interest !
Thats the game tho I guess ?

[F5 Dave]

JM looked like he had a moment and it probably made him think it was all changing very quickly.

It all makes the championship a bit more equal. I can't see MM catching up (a mate is calling it) but 3 way would be interesting. Hmm hard to write that without connotations. . .

[iYRe]

JM looked like he had a moment and it probably made him think it was all changing very quickly.

It all makes the championship a bit more equal. I can't see MM catching up (a mate is calling it) but 3 way would be interesting. Hmm hard to write that without connotations. . .

There's a number of tracks MM could be a winner on. It seems to me that Martin and Pecco have not the ability to learn like MM has. MM learns by pushing the limits and then knowing when to hold back - it seems these 2 havent quite got there yet, they both continue to make silly decisions

[roogazza]

There's a number of tracks MM could be a winner on. It seems to me that Martin and Pecco have not the ability to learn like MM has. MM learns by pushing the limits and then knowing when to hold back - it seems these 2 havent quite got there yet, they both continue to make silly decisions

Maybe its cos they aren't Aliens ,just the best we have at the moment ???

#93 is the last of the Aliens we once had !

[iYRe]

Maybe its cos they aren't Aliens ,just the best we have at the moment ???

#93 is the last of the Aliens we once had !

Well, I hope we get a new one because I suspect MM wont be around for much longer.. technically he could be another 5-6 years but I have this sneaking feeling he wants to try and win one more championship - and if it seems he can no longer do that, he'll likely retire.. thats what I think anyway, but then I dont know the guy personally lol

[Reckless]

There's a number of tracks MM could be a winner on. It seems to me that Martin and Pecco have not the ability to learn like MM has. MM learns by pushing the limits and then knowing when to hold back - it seems these 2 havent quite got there yet, they both continue to make silly decisions

I was just reading MM decided NOT to test any new updates for his GP23 at the latest test this week.
He worked souly on his existing package.

I take it from that he thinks it can win with a few changes and if he gets his head around how to make it win.
Trusting his intuition, I would guess.

[iYRe]

I was just reading MM decided NOT to test any new updates for his GP23 at the latest test this week.
He worked souly on his existing package.

I take it from that he thinks it can win with a few changes and if he gets his head around how to make it win.
Trusting his intuition, I would guess.

Yeah I saw Crafar talking about it as they went down the pits talking about all the changes. I think he was surprised MM hadnt used any thing, and expected he would later in the day. Apparently Pecco had a new frame and engine to test and they thought MM would also try it. Not sure if he did though.

[Reckless]

Yeah I saw Crafar talking about it as they went down the pits talking about all the changes. I think he was surprised MM hadnt used any thing, and expected he would later in the day. Apparently Pecco had a new frame and engine to test and they thought MM would also try it. Not sure if he did though.

I guess he has the luxury to make that decision not being in the factory team where they have to test new parts.
The stars seem to be aligning for MM, imagine if he could win the championship on the Gresini bike.
Now that would be an achievement, it would certainly put him above Rossi in the all time stats and in the minds of most.

Also pressures Pecco and Martin not to fall off, wow Its getting interesting :woohoo:

[iYRe]

from Motorcycle Sports:

Francesco Bagnaia had a busy work schedule during the MotoGP test held yesterday in Misano. The Ducati rider was not only focused on solutions for the upcoming races but also tested elements aimed at improving the bike for the next year.

The 2022 and 2023 champion commented: ‘I worked a lot for 2025. I didn’t try the fairing; I know that [Jorge] Martín and [Enea] Bestia tried it, and they were happy. But I was very, very focused on different things, because our bike still needs something to be better’.


Although the new solution isn’t ready to race yet, Bagnaia expressed excitement: ‘Unluckly it’s something that at the moment we can’t bring already this season because they still have to develop a bit – and I’m speaking about the electronics side. But it’s a good thing; I think we have more margin to work, more margin with the acceleration, and it’s something good’.


That said, the Italian doesn’t completely rule out some updates for the upcoming races in Asia: ‘It was difficult to understand something in the test, because with used or new tyres, the lap time was similar. But I think it’s a good thing and I liked it. Maybe for the last races, for the overseas, we will have something that will help’.

[BMWST?]

Because JM is a fire cracker, it's what makes him fast in qually, he knows that now, but you can't change nature in the moment.
We have seen big changes in him but in that situation, nature took over.

Interesting sport Aye :banana:

Yes I think you are right there .He is the most fragile of the three contenders,although I dont really think that MM has a real chance. Would require two blunders each for Bagnaia and Martin. Having said that we are heading into territory where conditions are the most variable and thats where MM shines

[Autech]

Sup homies, sorry been absent from the thread of late.

MM is starting to look faking dangerous for sure, especially with the fly away rounds coming up. A happy Marc is a dangerous Marc, I don't see him able to make the difference if the tracks 100% though as the 24 is a huge step forward that even he can't overcome.

I have a hunch about next round that Franky might go and win one of the races, he's a sleeping giant really and with so many laps at that place on the bike and him getting more comfortable this could get interesting. Be worth a flutter I reckon.

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[jato]

Yamaha possibly burning the midnight oil https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/yamahas-development-of-v4-engine-for-motogp-bike-in-advanced-state/10652974/ if true it'll be real interesting to see how it shapes up...

[iYRe]

Yamaha possibly burning the midnight oil https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/yamahas-development-of-v4-engine-for-motogp-bike-in-advanced-state/10652974/ if true it'll be real interesting to see how it shapes up...

Simon Crafar mentioned it so its likely to be true

[F5 Dave]

I'd read that a couple of days ago and was excited that they may have a big version soon. FQ needs something to get amongst it.

[roogazza]

In case anyone missed the last GP (like me) Ch3 today in the arvo for highlights.:banana:

[jato]

not actually mgp but a pretty spectacular save ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pd35S7NADOA

[Grumph]

not actually mgp but a pretty spectacular save ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pd35S7NADOA


Watching the throttle hand I'm pretty sure he doesn't back off right through it.