MotoGP 2024

[iYRe]

Watching the throttle hand I'm pretty sure he doesn't back off right through it.


That is just nuts.. that's the kind of dogged determination the missus has when she disagrees with me

[F5 Dave]

Yeah, but did he go on to win? ;)

[roogazza]

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Wings are not so new by the looks ? Phil Read MV . 1970's ??

[SaferRides]

I finally caught up with Missno 1 tonight. What a crazy race, you do wonder sometimes why things happen like that. It certainly meant a lot to Gresini, I can't imagine what they went through after what happened to Fausto.

I'll be at PI in 4 weeks. It should be quite a race.

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[iYRe]

I'll be at PI in 4 weeks. It should be quite a race.

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Lucky bugger!

[F5 Dave]

I went 6 times in 2 stroke era, would be nice to return. Or Malaysia perhaps if possible.

So crazy. They race. Can't even leave the stuff there. It all gets packed down as normal, moved to a big carpark then brought back again this week. Bicycle event or something in between. Odd.

[SaferRides]

I normally watch the Dorna feed for race weekends, but FP1 started on ThreeNow at a reasonable hour on Friday night, so I settled in to watch. But for those of you watch it on 3, how do you put up with the TNT commentary? Apart from noticing that only a few bikes came out at the start, they barely discussed practice at all.



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[BMWST?]

I normally watch the Dorna feed for race weekends, but FP1 started on ThreeNow at a reasonable hour on Friday night, so I settled in to watch. But for those of you watch it on 3, how do you put up with the TNT commentary? Apart from noticing that only a few bikes came out at the start, they barely discussed practice at all.



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I have never been able to get loggd on to three now. SO i am persisting with motogp .com to get the last few absolute gems from Simon Crafar

[iYRe]

I use motomundo.net and use BRAVE browser to prevent ads/popups. They have the dorna and TNT optionts to choose from.

Interesting sprint, the 24 ducs are a second faster per lap than MM on his 23 this week. Next was Acosta. I guess Pecco and Martin got some upgrades, maybe they dont want MM to upset the applecart too much this year.

[husaberg]

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Wings are not so new by the looks ? Phil Read MV . 1970's ??
Well to be fair MV were primarily an aeronautical company :)
cheers i had never seen the pic.

[sugilite]

Was a great sprint race!
This may of been posted before, apologies if so. I really appreciate the coding that went into this page. the webpage opens up to the motogp calendar, with the current event open showing all the times they start - in nz time - nice!
https://www.autosport.com/motogp/schedule/2024/

[diesel pig]

Was a great sprint race!
This may of been posted before, apologies if so. I really appreciate the coding that went into this page. the webpage opens up to the motogp calendar, with the current event open showing all the times they start - in nz time - nice!
https://www.autosport.com/motogp/schedule/2024/

Super cool. thanks!

[iYRe]

Well that was a race of much interest.

Pecco shows once again that if he is out in front with clear air he's ok - there was like 3 laps at quali speeds, but once he has to tussle with the others he's pretty shit.

Enea was wicked fast, and a slightly dodgy pass at the end.

MM gets, as he said, a gift. "We're going to Asia, lets see what happens there", he said :)

[iYRe]

A couple of thoughts I have had recently.
1. Pecco and Martin are pretty inconsistent. Pecco has had 4 DNF's, MM when he won his last championship had 1 - and was top 2 in every single race.
2. Pecco won a championship against a dying Yamaha.
3. Martin chooses to settle when he realises he cant do it - he's learned a lesson recently that's why he is in front. His inconsistency is why he didnt get the factory bike
4. If Ducati is this dominant next year, Pecco isnt going to win the championship imho. Not unless he learns to settle, he's not an alien. MM will push him and he'll fall off.
5. All those riders are fast, but is Pecco fast(er) because of the bike and its "settings", or because of him? Martin appears to be generally quick regardless, like a more consistent Vinales. As in, Martin will be quick on any bike, but not to alien level, where I think you put Pecco on a KTM and he'll just be like everyone else.

I am likely wrong but these things cross my mind while listening to various pod casts.

[F5 Dave]

I unsubscribe before the race so I don't see spoilers but watched on Monday this week..was expecting more furious debate.
Not being investigated and jm team have responded by saying ok, if that is legal then implies that they can do the same.

Ok, lines are drawn.

The times;
This all goes along with what Oxley was saying. The rear tyre is so good the GP24 can capitalise on it. But it is risky on losing the front. As Perfect Pecco has experienced quite a few times.
Bearing in mind that only a few on 24s are good enough to step out on that ledge. And Pecco is one of them.

New front tyre could, should, make other bikes feature again.

[Grumph]

New front tyre could, should, make other bikes feature again.

Or make the '24's untouchable given that locking/losing the front was their only weakness.

[F5 Dave]

Well they kinda are already.

KTM have not been able to fix thier chatter issues properly and Aprilia are all at sea, but sketchy conditions change things up.
A change of front bias would be what Yamaha for example are likely making offerings for at various temples.

[BMWST?]

Simon Crafar said on after the flag that the only reason Enea went of the track was because he was looking back towards Martin. And as we all know you go where you look. I didnt atually see contact. Martin reacted quite suddenly twice as Enea appeared

[jato]

Bastianini only looked back after the event - it was a dirty move in my opinion... diving up the inside - go for it (noting it doesn't take much of a nudge from the inside to send you well of line), but running him wide is not fair play. i suspect bastanini looked back to see if martin was still upright

[F5 Dave]

So, obviously it's not the same thing, but I've had a couple supposedly gun riders bang into me and try run me off over the years, I'm like; if you can't beat with skill, you resort to, well, Bullying. So, yeah, not a fan.
But riding tiny bikes for zero$ is not MotoGP. It's their trainset so that's how it is.
Italian rider, Italian bike, Italian track, Italian fans.
You'd be keen to rule against him and try leaving the track that evening.

[jato]

Totally agree on that - remember way back (possibly 20 years or so) one of the riders had a security team to look after him in spain?

[SaferRides]

Bastianini only looked back after the event - it was a dirty move in my opinion... diving up the inside - go for it (noting it doesn't take much of a nudge from the inside to send you well of line), but running him wide is not fair play. i suspect bastanini looked back to see if martin was still uprightWell, it would have been OK if Bastianini had held his line. But he was never going to do that, and he's too good a rider not to understand that it was unlikely to be a clean pass. But an Italian riding a Ducati at Missno in their 100th race...

So, what would Simon have done?

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[Grumph]

So, what would Simon have done?


He's no fool. Majority decision of the stewards panel. As I understand it, he's going to chair it.

[iYRe]

Well, it would have been OK if Bastianini had held his line. But he was never going to do that, and he's too good a rider not to understand that it was unlikely to be a clean pass. But an Italian riding a Ducati at Missno in their 100th race...

So, what would Simon have done?

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Did EB purposely push Martin wide though? He seemed to be wide and that was always going to make Martin go even wider.

[SaferRides]

Did EB purposely push Martin wide though? He seemed to be wide and that was always going to make Martin go even wider.No, but he dived down the inside knowing he was likely to run wide. He said as much in the post race interview.

Most of the riders didn't have a problem with the pass, but they all want consistency if they do the same thing in future. That's where it's likely to be an issue.



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[Grumph]

No, but he dived down the inside knowing he was likely to run wide. He said as much in the post race interview.

Most of the riders didn't have a problem with the pass, but they all want consistency if they do the same thing in future. That's where it's likely to be an issue.



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I see Miller says it's almost impossible to pass without hitting. The bikes with all the aero now are trucks compared to the 500's
and nowhere near as nimble.

[iYRe]

ah well, we all like constancy heh.

[SaferRides]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/1056504/1/simon-crafars-stewards-revelation-still-leaves-questions-unanswered

Hmm.

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[iYRe]

Interesting.. so everyone seems to think its either Enea's fault, or not, but the real issue is no one officially said anything?

It hurts my old head.

[jato]

i reckon if that incedent occurred earlier in the season in a "neutral" country Basti would have lost a place , but last lap with a home crowd etc it becomes a way-too-hot potato .Hopefully we don't now see a open season approach for remaining races, and more importantly that the title fight doesn't end up effectively decided by that stunt

[iYRe]

I was just watching Simon talking about it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-VyltPLXso

According to him Enea went wide because he looked to see if Martin was ok. And you can clearly see in the video he turned his head. Otherwise he likely would have remained on track.

Seems legit to me.

[jato]

hmmmmm looked at the video a few more times - bastia was already on the paint when he looked to see how martin was doing.
Simon is a real good guy but i feel he is trying to tactfully defuse?/downplay the event for the greater good. imo

[Reckless]

Ok Lads schedule for this weekend if you're watching on 3now

Sorry didn't have time last round getting the bike prepped and ready for NZCMRR Taupo last weekend.

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Got quite a cool pic taken so I thought I'd show off and include it at the end seeing as there is only 3 pages of schedule this week.
Not quite MotoGP style but I'm old LMAO
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No time for anymore blurb, Enjoy the racing guys.

[jato]

Strayed across to WSBK a week or so back (originally to see how Avalon does in the WCR - pretty good) ...the actual superbikes though yeehah ! pretty good racing so i signed up for the last rounds. The bikes are fairly evenly matched apart from the yamaha and hondas that seem to be destined for mid-pack. This morning's race produced an entertaining battle right to the flag. oh and the commentators are good to listen to as well

[jim.cox]

caught up with the main race last night on ThreeNow

Martin jsut did his thing - a master class in getting out front and staying there,

Acosta rode a fantastic race - he's great to watch

[F5 Dave]

Glad to hear he didn't lose his podium 2nd with 16S(?!) Penalty for low pressure, calling a leaking rim. Phew!

[roogazza]

Strayed across to WSBK a week or so back (originally to see how Avalon does in the WCR - pretty good) ...the actual superbikes though yeehah ! pretty good racing so i signed up for the last rounds. The bikes are fairly evenly matched apart from the yamaha and hondas that seem to be destined for mid-pack. This morning's race produced an entertaining battle right to the flag. oh and the commentators are good to listen to as well

Me too really enjoyed the WSB racing.
Just home from getting new right knee, I'll be on the "14" and "the rideon" in no time I hope ???? XXXXXX

[BMWST?]

Iaonne is doing well and so is Petrucci. Along with Bautista(two wins at Aragon) who seems to be regaining his MoJo and Bulega it 1 BMW vs 4 Ducati s although Lowes seems to be able to get the Kawasaki up there for some of the time

[Grumph]

Me too really enjoyed the WSB racing.
Just home from getting new right knee, I'll be on the "14" and "the rideon" in no time I hope ???? XXXXXX

Best of luck with the physio. At least it's only one knee. CAMS guy down here had both done together. Couldn't manage the physio properly so lost a lot of movement. Stopped him racing as he couldn't bend enough for rearsets.

[iYRe]

Best of luck with the physio. At least it's only one knee. CAMS guy down here had both done together. Couldn't manage the physio properly so lost a lot of movement. Stopped him racing as he couldn't bend enough for rearsets.

I had both hips done this time last year, got both knees to go some time in the next year or 2. I cant believe how good it feels regardless of the knee pain. Had to stop riding because I couldnt sit on a bike. Need to buy a new one now :P

[roogazza]

Best of luck with the physio. At least it's only one knee. CAMS guy down here had both done together. Couldn't manage the physio properly so lost a lot of movement. Stopped him racing as he couldn't bend enough for rearsets.


I had both hips done this time last year, got both knees to go some time in the next year or 2. I cant believe how good it feels regardless of the knee pain. Had to stop riding because I couldnt sit on a bike. Need to buy a new one now :P

Cheers guys, hobblin around but its only been two days, I got told to slow down on the stretching n shit. But they reckon I'm well ahead and doing fantastic.

(they're just saying that cause I'm pretty ? ).. lol.:lol::killingme:yes:

[BMWST?]

Cheers guys, hobblin around but its only been two days, I got told to slow down on the stretching n shit. But they reckon I'm well ahead and doing fantastic.

(they're just saying that cause I'm pretty ? ).. lol.:lol::killingme:yes:

Keep up with it! I have a mate who is a pretty tough man and he reckons its been hard work.

[Brian d marge]

Its warm today ( Japan )

My mate (poor sod ) is working for Pirelli in the Asian cup team

I "should " go up to motegi and support

but sorry I went saturday to Iron Maiden great concert Tickets 18 000 yen good seat

Motogp

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Stephen

[F5 Dave]

So that's about fourteen dollars yeah?

[iYRe]

Just a thought on last weeks race.. MM's bike was on fire, clearly his boot was right in the flame. Rather than dumping it on the side of teh track he continued to ride to the marshalls, and then hold the bike up so they could put the fire out.. I'm not a racer, but I dont think I'd have stayed on that long. You guys who race, does that speak to the character of the guy? I mean, it does to me, I've never seen someone do that, but you guys would know better than me what might be going on in his head at that point.

[F5 Dave]

I don't think he could see it from there. You could almost see him recoil when he looked down and jump off fastish.

[Grumph]

I remember Holden at a GP on old short Ruapuna had the under-seat muffler catch fire on the Ducati he was riding. Spread to the fiberglass seat before he noticed it.
Marshalls were pointing etc. He realised it was burning on the start/finish straight and pulled in at the hairpin for the marshalls there to put it out.

Pretty sure if his arse hadn't got hot he would have kept racing.

[F5 Dave]

Wind of 100kph in slow corners would do a fair amount to direct the heat away from the rider.

Not quite as spectacular as Edwards on the Cube. Must youtube.com that.

Hmm, not coming in first 18 second so losing attention. Ohh, a Kereru.:niceone:

[iYRe]

Thanks for the opinions.

Also today in other MM news.. a couple of millimeters of green denied him an all time lap record. Tomorrow could be very interesting.

[onearmedbandit]

Today even, the sprint race is done and it was an interesting race.

[iYRe]

Today even, the sprint race is done and it was an interesting race.

sure was.. bummer for Acosta, and Pecco was running on a depowered map the whole race? odd

[Grumph]

sure was.. bummer for Acosta, and Pecco was running on a depowered map the whole race? odd

Apparently used more fuel on the sighting lap than planned so had to race in economy mode.

[jato]

Did we all see the "chatter" on jack's rear wheel in qualifying? there was a slo-mo at one point and it looked like the whole swingarm had a massive twisting shudder going on ... maybe he's a lot better than his results have been. roll on race time

[iYRe]

Apparently used more fuel on the sighting lap than planned so had to race in economy mode.


well that explains it.. I only had time to watch the race and didnt get the reviews etc

[onearmedbandit]

Did we all see the "chatter" on jack's rear wheel in qualifying? there was a slo-mo at one point and it looked like the whole swingarm had a massive twisting shudder going on ... maybe he's a lot better than his results have been. roll on race time

Yeah that was crazy, watched it a handful of times just trying to take it all.

[Grumph]

Did we all see the "chatter" on jack's rear wheel in qualifying? there was a slo-mo at one point and it looked like the whole swingarm had a massive twisting shudder going on ... maybe he's a lot better than his results have been. roll on race time

Been living with it for 10 months apparently.

Can't help wondering what would happen if the traction control was dialled back a tad - just enough to allow some wheelspin.

[Brian d marge]

So that's about fourteen dollars yeah? Ya not wrong there !

[Brian d marge]

Well I got off my lazy arse ,,
It was good to be there, the atmosphere etc and all the bikes the sound etc

So, they had roped off the usual area and it was 10 000 yen to get in , then they tried to sting ya for parking "twice"

but if you went to the south gate by the hairpin,, all free good view and a great crowd

ya have to feel sorry for the tyre teams

I got a photo from me mate ,, Just for the Asia Cup teams they went through near on a (3/4?) container load of tyres

Still the president ( or the asian CEO ) of Pirelli bought them dinner!

Next race Tskuba Twin Shock series

Stephen

[pritch]

Cheers guys, hobblin around but its only been two days, I got told to slow down on the stretching n shit. But they reckon I'm well ahead and doing fantastic.


My most recent new knee caused me some angst. Was released from hospital Friday with an appointment for physio Monday. All weekend I worried about even being able to get in a taxi. Monday morning it was obvious that wasn't going to happen. I phoned to cancel the appointment. Was told they had just been laughing about it. "Somebody is keen."
Got an appointment for two weeks later.

They had a group circuit training thing with the usual gym equipment plus items specific to knee and hip ops. It was only once a week but in combination with exercises at home it was excellent.

[F5 Dave]

So, where i get most of my understanding, Oxley noted, (sort of but with my thoughts added) we all know that riders get sucked in to aero wake of rider they are trying to pass. Because they are shielded, they suddenly lose wind resistance and thus can't brake as fast as the rider in front.
So you really have to sling past then brake hard and hope the rider behind you doesn't hit you for that same reason. This leads to boring races as this opportunity is rare.


But the nuance i really didn't understand is that coming Out of the corner behind someone, your aero doesn't work. Thus your bike is more wheelie prone , so that cuts down the amount of power the rider (or electronics) can get to the rear wheel. So you may get a better line, but you can't sling past them if they are effectively blocking your wind resistance.

[Grumph]

Both are turbulent wake conditions. I'd suspect that in medium/fast corners downforce is effectively lost while in the wake.
And that's where the electronics are cutting in to limit spin.

They need a "pass mode" button to override the electronic limits.

[Reckless]

They need a "pass mode" button to override the electronic limits.

Oh shit dont tell them that rather get rid of the damn aero.

Saw the chatter vid bloody heck it was bad I'd be in the pits wonder if I had a collapsed bearing or something

[Reckless]

I must say I keep getting surprised by Ducati.
Sharing data, treating their riders equally over the last couple of years etc
This latest thing in not giving Bagnia the new chassis so the riders have a fair fight :girlfight: for the 2024 championship is impressive :beer:.
Truly in the spirit of competition :2thumbsup

If I where a younger man in line for another bike that would certainly make me visit a ducati shop.

[jato]

Phillip Island ! yippee, we are due a nail-biter... i see the weather forecast is poo on friday, pretty ho-hum saturday and likely dry for Sunday. Often someone from left field joins in the podium scrap . roll on sunday

[F5 Dave]

Fast and flowing. Haga for example, often did his best of the year there.
Wind can be an issue, weather too, but it can be beautiful. Used to take a tarpaulin for our backs to shelter from the wind off the Bass straight if in the stands.

[iYRe]

It has been resealed so there is possibly going to be a big tyre management issue. Look for Enea and MM to be at the front imho. I have the sneaking suspicion that either Martin or Bagnaia is going to have a DNF in one or other of the races.

[BMWST?]

It has been resealed so there is possibly going to be a big tyre management issue. Look for Enea and MM to be at the front imho. I have the sneaking suspicion that either Martin or Bagnaia is going to have a DNF in one or other of the races.
they have both given enough examples of that. I cant give a definite reason but i think Martin is the more "fragile" of the two .If MM can qualify well you be a brave man to bet against him

[iYRe]

If MM can qualify well you be a brave man to bet against him
At least in the Sprint... if he qualifies well then the main race too - the more he challenges, the more likely Martin and Bagnaia will crash I think.. I dont think they know when to back off a bit.. and when they dont back off, they dont have MM's ability to manage it. I think Martin is less likely to blow his fufu valve than bags though

[iYRe]

Another great Crafar analysis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfwIEtfiu3Q

[jato]

Geeze - no thanks to playing dodgems at 300k . that could of been much worse. i saw capirossi tuck the front at T1 doing 320 or so about 20 years back, i believe his lungs had seperated from whatever keeps them in place... stored energy going up with the square of speed and all that. hopefully no more drama there tomorrow

[Grumph]

Aussie GP is live on freeview channel 3 today 4- 6 pm

[iYRe]

Those ride height devices.. man.. MM hard to hard brake to disengage his, which nearly put him into Martin, which meant he had to run wide.

MM and Martin both going faster than their qualifiying times in the Sprint.. sheesh.

Full race is gonna be fun tomorrow

Oh.. and Go team NZ... did what no other team has done, defended the cup 3x. Its like F1 on water.

[Grumph]

In this age of electronics, rider aids and aero it's good to see that a rider can still make the difference.

But IMO the lunge under Martin at Miller corner was intended to make him realise what he had to lose by resisting.
And it worked.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah certainly seems that way now you point it out.

[Grumph]

Yeah certainly seems that way now you point it out.

I'm a cynical old bastard who's seen or done most tricks like that.

[jellywrestler]

I'm a cynical old bastard who's seen or done most tricks like that.

i tried to follow moto gp this year but where i was watching was live only, got through the first two and couldn't be bothered, made a point of watching today, and all the floowing stuff, was great and good to see MM do what he does well, demoralising people.

[iYRe]

Holy Shitballs batman, what a race that was.. that was one of MM's best races ever

[BMWST?]

In this age of electronics, rider aids and aero it's good to see that a rider can still make the difference.

But IMO the lunge under Martin at Miller corner was intended to make him realise what he had to lose by resisting.
And it worked.
He left a gap. MM will take them. The definitely is a power gap between the 23 and 24. Even with better speed through that last double left MM was stalled as he pulled out of the slipstream. JM def wasnt

[iYRe]

Comments from the media:
"Martin thought that last overtake was a bit aggressive - the problem is the new bunch of riders have not really seen the MM of 5 years ago - this is how an Alien rides, and for the first time in a long time the old MM has reappeared"
"MM was .4 of a second faster than Martin for the last 2 laps"
"Bagnaia needs more practice time on the tracks to get all the tweaks and changes he needs - Martin and MM prefer to know what bike is under them and ride around any issues"
"Bagnaia has 7 DNF's now, and so Martin has him in a position that if he gets even one more issue he has no chance of winning, so he has to be a much more cautious - Bagnaia is actually the slowest of the contenders - he is too sensitive to changes on the bike"
"Bagnaia is not the best rider on the grid regardless of how many races and championships he has won, everything has to be perfect for him where other riders take their chances when things are not perfect".


Personally I think Bags is shiting himself about next year - if the 25 Duc is the best bike on the grid and MM gels with it, he is going to struggle to win a race v MM.

[Grumph]

Comments from the media:
"Martin thought that last overtake was a bit aggressive - the problem is the new bunch of riders have not really seen the MM of 5 years ago - this is how an Alien rides, and for the first time in a long time the old MM has reappeared"
"MM was .4 of a second faster than Martin for the last 2 laps"


See my post above. An aggressive pass pushing Martin wide made him realise how much he had to lose by fighting MM.

Martin basically surrendered at that point.

Sensible. That may have given him the Championship.

[iYRe]

See my post above. An aggressive pass pushing Martin wide made him realise how much he had to lose by fighting MM.

Martin basically surrendered at that point.

Sensible. That may have given him the Championship.

Yep, various people were saying the same, Bagnaia thinks he can win on upcoming tracks but at least one of em is a lefty heh.

[sugilite]

What I heard from a mystery motogp insider was that when MM tested Martins bike at the end of year 2023 test, he was faster than Martin on it. Ducati went ohhhh shit. Previously the satellite teams got last years bike as it was fully developed at the end of the year before. However, this time they got the GP23 as it was in its initial development state as at the start of the previous season. Think GP23.1, instead of say GP23.12. I also remember that the GP23 initially was not that greatest and took a month or two of development to come good. To me this explains why VR46 teamsters and MM were not right on the pace from the get go and are largely still struggling. It also makes sense to me now after hearing all that, as to why MM's threatening to go somewhere else unless he gets the factory ride was a successful strategy. The same source told me that the Aprillia is actually a lot better bike than it's current riders are showing, and I'm sure the thought of MM on one of those would of made Gigi's blood run cold. Hence the "surprise" MM signing. Hmmmmm:sherlock:
P.S. MM is basically the only Alien left, Pedro is an Alien in training :yes:

[Grumph]

There is one other alien at work. Toprak Razgatlioglu.

If BMW don't realise what they've got and bring forward their MotoGP entry, they're going to lose him.

[iYRe]

The same source told me that the Aprillia is actually a lot better bike than it's current riders are showing, and I'm sure the thought of MM on one of those would of made Gigi's blood run cold. Hence the "surprise" MM signing. Hmmmmm:sherlock:
P.S. MM is basically the only Alien left, Pedro is an Alien in training :yes:

The new dude on Crash, Lewis or something (seems to know his stuff) was saying the same thing... MM on the Aprilia or even the KTM is likely to still be up there and stealing points and wins. Enough so that it would make it hard for Ducati. After all, he was 3-5 and even won a couple on a bike no one could get in the top 15 on.

Agree about Pedro.. give him another year and he's gonna be awesome. I reckon MM will win the championship next year then retire.

[BMWST?]

The new dude on Crash, Lewis or something (seems to know his stuff) was saying the same thing... MM on the Aprilia or even the KTM is likely to still be up there and stealing points and wins. Enough so that it would make it hard for Ducati. After all, he was 3-5 and even won a couple on a bike no one could get in the top 15 on.

Agree about Pedro.. give him another year and he's gonna be awesome. I reckon MM will win the championship next year then retire.
If he wins next year I reckon he will go 1 more

[SaferRides]

Apart from Friday morning (we waited in a cafe for the rain to stop), it was a great weekend to be there. Watching Marquez going through Turn 1 less than a bike length behind Martin was pretty amazing.

What you don't get from the TV coverage is the scale of the track, possibly because they are using extreme telephoto lenses to get close ups of the bikes. It is actually a long way from Turn 3 to 4 and they are going very fast when they start braking.

There are also a lot of elevation changes. Stoner is a downhill corner, so it takes some bravery to get hard on the gas exiting the corner.

The runoff areas are much deeper than last time I was there, which I'm sure Vinales and Bastianini were very grateful for. The unfortunate effect of this is you are further back from the track, especially in some of the stands. But there are still some great places to spectate, such as Siberia.

Certainly worth making the effort to get to, but be prepared for extreme weather conditions.

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[F5 Dave]

Used to go to Lukey heights but Siberia yes I think it is best. Big screens mean you catch rest of action as well.

Take a tarpaulin to wrap around you if on grandstand.

[BMWST?]

Certainly worth making the effort to get to, but be prepared for extreme weather conditions.

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Went there in 89. It RAINED. We were on a tour and we camped near the track.All the tents were already up.We were fairly early which means we could pick a tent where there wasnt water in the tent. Great weekend.We could walk around the whole track.On Sunday morning there was a group of 4 or 5 of us. Two of us just made a run for turn 3,whilst the other carried all the stuff.We were able to set up right on the fence.

[SaferRides]

Went there in 89. It RAINED. We were on a tour and we camped near the track.All the tents were already up.We were fairly early which means we could pick a tent where there wasnt water in the tent. Great weekend.We could walk around the whole track.On Sunday morning there was a group of 4 or 5 of us. Two of us just made a run for turn 3,whilst the other carried all the stuff.We were able to set up right on the fence.And it gets Really Muddy after the rain. I packed a pair of tramping boots, which I wore every day.

We were concerned about getting out of the car park afterwards, but it wasn't a problem. They've had years of experience of bad weather!

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[iYRe]

This is quite interesting. Got a giggle at the end when Martin says if he dies on the helicopter, you guys wont ride and let me win the championship.. MM just looks down and goes ahhh.. heh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ALbhp4VZdE
(link is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ALbhp4VZdE)

[iYRe]

MM with lap records in practice already.

[onearmedbandit]

MM with lap records in practice already.

I liked Simon's comment - "I can't help but think that Marc just embarrassed the GP24 riders. I mean where is the next GP23? 9th with Bez.".

[iYRe]

I liked Simon's comment - "I can't help but think that Marc just embarrassed the GP24 riders. I mean where is the next GP23? 9th with Bez.".

There was a post with the Max speeds, the 24's and even KTm up around 335-8 - MM the slowest at 330 - but broke the lap record.

I sure hope Acosta is the next Alien.

[F5 Dave]

Poor Jack. Had a good sniff at a podium to be mugged at the end.

[iYRe]

Honda have ditched repsol and gone with castrol as a sponsor now..

Should have gone with Penrite, its betterer. :P


“We were the fastest today but now after the race, maybe we weren’t patient enough in that moment,” said Marquez.

“It’s true that it was super-tricky because I wasn’t able to overtake in a clear way against Bagnaia. I was always planning a very clear overtake, because I had the speed and I said ‘we will have more chances’.


“Always, I was trying to push, attack; then, when it was not possible, to cool down the front tyre, [then] attack again.


“I was doing always a bit the ‘elastic’ during the race, and on that second attack I saw that I was much faster.


“I tried to not give up and I tried to follow him, and just one-and-a-half degrees more in that corner [Turn 8] and I lost the front and I couldn’t save — it was very close.


“We are humans, we make mistakes, and today it was my turn.”

[onearmedbandit]

Honda have ditched repsol and gone with castrol as a sponsor now..

Should have gone with Penrite, its betterer. :P

I thought it was the other way around, Repsol ditched HRC.

[iYRe]

I thought it was the other way around, Repsol ditched HRC.

I thought that too, but the article I saw said they ditched them.. I guess it depends on who's publicist is writing the article :)

[onearmedbandit]

I thought that too, but the article I saw said they ditched them.. I guess it depends on who's publicist is writing the article :)

Two sides to every story, but maybe it was just the assumption that Repsol dumped them, maybe they offered less support and HRC dropped them.

[iYRe]

FWIW, I got the story from here: Honda Factory MotoGP Team Ditches Repsol, Says Hello To Castrol (https://www.rideapart.com/news/738899/motogp-honda-castrol-partnership-2025/)

[onearmedbandit]

Ah less support since Marc jumped ship. Makes sense for HRC to look to greener pastures then.

[iYRe]

Ah less support since Marc jumped ship. Makes sense for HRC to look to greener pastures then.

Yeah, I didnt get that far down the first time I read it, because it was on MSN and was heading down into the dodgy ads.

In other news.. MM says he was 1.5 deg leaned over more than normal in turn 8 and that's why he fell.. that is a fairly fine tolerance.

[F5 Dave]

You can't break up with me. I'm breaking up with you. So there.:bye:


:crybaby:

[Grumph]

Ah less support since Marc jumped ship. Makes sense for HRC to look to greener pastures then.

i see what you did there. Castrol green vs Repsol orange.

[onearmedbandit]

i see what you did there. Castrol green vs Repsol orange.

Virtual chocolate fish for you good sir!

[iYRe]

Seems like there might not be racing in Valencia due to the flooding. Or they could move the race to another track.. heads up if you didnt know

[jato]

https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/10/31/motogp/valencia-out-sepang-encore-qatar-barcelona-or-portimao-the-alternatives.html

[iYRe]

https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/10/31/motogp/valencia-out-sepang-encore-qatar-barcelona-or-portimao-the-alternatives.html


Oxley was saying probably Barcelona (I cant type that without hearing Freddie Mercury in my head). He also said they need to decide ASAP because Pecco and Jorge need to know what track they are racing on

[SaferRides]

The death toll from the flooding is now over 200 and expected to rise further. Dorna has cancelled the race - statement here:
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2024/11/01/2024-valencia-gp-will-not-go-ahead-replacement-to-be-confirmed/512328

The situation in Valencia looks terrible.






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[Grumph]

I'm impressed by Pecco. Said publicly he wouldn't ride at Valencia and more or less forced Dorna's hand.

The Spanish riders should have come together on this one.

[SaferRides]

I'm impressed by Pecco. Said publicly he wouldn't ride at Valencia and more or less forced Dorna's hand.

The Spanish riders should have come together on this one.I think they would have if Dorna hadn't cancelled. Mir was not impressed: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1059375/1/joan-mir-critical-motogp-decision-making-race-cancellations

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[onearmedbandit]

Marc has been clear from early on that it should not go ahead.

[iYRe]

So they are in Malaysia by the looks..

https://www.motogp.com/en/calendar/2024/event/malaysia/a9da3e0e-de84-4ef3-ac3e-d1b26a2940f5/race-centre

[SaferRides]

Yes, round 19 is Malaysia. But where will the final round be, and is it even possible to have one at this stage? It has to be an established MotoGP track for safety reasons.

Spain may not be an option given how the Spanish riders feel. There's F1 in Qatar the beginning of December, so that's unlikely. Back to Sepang?

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[Warr]

Oh no for Bagnia !
The race tonight, if he can't get better than 2nd, he can kiss his Number "1" away 🤔😕

[onearmedbandit]

Assuming Jorge doesn't have an issue.

[onearmedbandit]

Replacement GP for Valencia to be held at Barcelona, same date and time.

[BMWST?]

Seems like there might not be racing in Valencia due to the flooding. Or they could move the race to another track.. heads up if you didnt know
They were talking Barcelona during the race.Quatar also available

[onearmedbandit]

They were talking Barcelona during the race.Quatar also available

Barcelona was confirmed before the race so yup, same time and date as Valencia would've been.

[iYRe]

Seems Miller is Ok, got some of Fabio's tyre rubber on his helmet..

Exciting first few laps after the restart.

[F5 Dave]

That was the best racing we've seen this year.

[iYRe]

Yes, it was pretty good, although I would have preferred MM v Acosta - I reckon that would have been more exciting

Barcelona confirmed for the final round

[sugilite]

Barcelona is now having its own major flooding event.

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[Grumph]

Barcelona is now having its own major flooding event.

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Yeah, I reckon they confirmed too early.

Track's Ok - higher up than the city - but spectators and teams still have to have accomodation
and get to and from the track.
And Valencia is getting the priority assistance.

Shouldn't have gone to Spain while this shit was happening IMO.

[iYRe]

Yeah, I reckon they confirmed too early.

Track's Ok - higher up than the city - but spectators and teams still have to have accomodation
and get to and from the track.
And Valencia is getting the priority assistance.

Shouldn't have gone to Spain while this shit was happening IMO.


go back to Philip Island FTW! Get MM back in there to stir up Pecco and Jorge!

[F5 Dave]

Go kart track and xr100s.
Acosta would do the business. VR46 guys would be hard to beat as well.

[iYRe]

Go kart track and xr100s.
Acosta would do the business. VR46 guys would be hard to beat as well.


I dunno, have you seen that video of the VR46 Ranch a few years back where a bunch of GP guys turned up to dirt track? MM was holding himself back because he was WAY faster than Rossi hehe - he had to let the old fella have a chance. It was quite good.. he is VERY fast on the dirt

[onearmedbandit]

I dunno, have you seen that video of the VR46 Ranch a few years back where a bunch of GP guys turned up to dirt track? MM was holding himself back because he was WAY faster than Rossi hehe - he had to let the old fella have a chance. It was quite good.. he is VERY fast on the dirt

Marc also arrived on a full works bike compared to off the shelf equipment at the ranch.

[iYRe]

Marc also arrived on a full works bike compared to off the shelf equipment at the ranch.

A few of the others had factory bikes too.. with their numbers and branding etc.. also, he isnt silly :P

[onearmedbandit]

A few of the others had factory bikes too.. with their numbers and branding etc.. also, he isnt silly :P

Yeah they all run their own number and branding, as to the level of factory trickness for the rest of the bikes I don't know. Marc certainly isn't dumb though, the guy is as sharp and shrewd as anyone.

[iYRe]

Yeah they all run their own number and branding, as to the level of factory trickness for the rest of the bikes I don't know. Marc certainly isn't dumb though, the guy is as sharp and shrewd as anyone.

As you see the guy change and evolve over the years you certainly realise he's not your normal kinda person.. If he was into finance he'd probably be Elon Musk or something

[BMWST?]

I dunno, have you seen that video of the VR46 Ranch a few years back where a bunch of GP guys turned up to dirt track? MM was holding himself back because he was WAY faster than Rossi hehe - he had to let the old fella have a chance. It was quite good.. he is VERY fast on the dirt
he has ridden at some world class flat track type event in the past

[F5 Dave]

Have you seen the Acosta vids? Geez!

[jato]

looks like lights out at 3am ... i'll set the alarm and watch this one live. martin could wrap it up if he wins, but if i was him i'd be keeping out of trouble foremost.

[BMWST?]

looks like lights out at 3am ... i'll set the alarm and watch this one live. martin could wrap it up if he wins, but if i was him i'd be keeping out of trouble foremost.
even if he doesnt finish he will still have 12 points on Pecco,which means he can come 4th even if pecco wins the grandprix. Its conna take a dnf in th grandprix i reckon for Martin not to win.
Video pass is 9.99 euro for tis weekend

[jato]

hmmmm 9.9 euros sounds good - i wont have to listen to those idiot commentators on tnt

[pritch]

The price is right at TV3 but I find it annoyingly clunky. It takes several attempts to get it running right every time. Next year I'll seriously consider forking out the cash.

[Grumph]

So, just 10 points in it. Next year won't be as close.

[iYRe]

Well done to Jorge..

[Reckless]

The right man won IMHO
Great Maturity and growth from Jorge Martin well deserved.

Qudos and respect to Ducati for their stance in the title race - I seriously hope they sell more bikes because of their conduct this season.

Bagnia was gutted you could see it in his body language - but overall a true champion with integrity that can smile at himself when looking in the mirror.

Marquez can learn something from this and I hope this preps Bagnia for what might be about to come next year.

TV3 - :( So I had to have an us weekend in Mapua and took the chromcast, it even worked with the B&B tv but the sprint replay never appeared.
Sprint was at 3am NZ time, It is normally up a few hours later, but no go after checking all day.
Luckily managed to stay away from the result and download it at 6pm when I got home, then got up for the race at 1:30am this morning.
For the above I'll be going back to my MotoGP sub next year.

Overall a good season with the Martin Bagnia battle last meeting for the first few laps being the highlight.

So who is going to start the MotoGP 2025 thread now that is a whole different conversation LOL

[BMWST?]

Yes the right man won. Bagnaia just made too many mistakes. Was a good season.
Be good to see the development of things next season. Will KTM be able to give Acosta and Bastianini a bike to compete.
will Aprilia be able to give martin a bike to compete.
Cant help but think its gonna be all MM and Pecco
Poor Joan Mir you gotta give him credit for pushing so hard all season

[SaferRides]

I've been downloading the Dorna commentary nearly all season. Can't stand the TNT commentators.

Anyone know who's replacing Simon next season?

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[Reckless]

OK lads
No one else did it so 2025 thread started
To much new stuff to go over

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/190321-MotoGP-2025?p=1131230813#post1131230813

[F5 Dave]

Wasn't Aleix Espargaro's parting gift sheiding JM from potential danger? That was masterful.

[iYRe]

Wasn't Aleix Espargaro's parting gift sheiding JM from potential danger? That was masterful.

He was a pretty impressive roadblock. Looked to me like he didnt care too much about his own safety

[F5 Dave]

Fortunately Barcelona is a fairly low grip, but high tyre wear track. Best track for non Ducatis perhaps. And it was kinda Bourne out that you could actually see them.

[F5 Dave]

Someone quietly shuffles off to a dark corner of the Lenovo team pit amid various celebrations to discreetly shred all of the

PERFECT PECO 3x MotoGP 2024 Championship Winner

Tshirts.

[Edit, oops date].

[SaferRides]

It was all a bit boring in the end, but it was inevitable once Bagnaia and Martin were where they wanted to be. And Marquez took away the option for Bagnaia to back up the field in case he did try it.

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