MotoGP 2025

[Reckless]

OK lads
Wanted to post the new rider list and a 2025 thread is the only way so here goes

New season kicks off new riders different teams as per pic.

Testing today I understand MM has been on the Team Ducati.
I wonder how Jorge Martin will fair this year.
wonder what the new Pramac colors are?

Will Martin put the No:1 plate on an Aprilia, or ride under 89.
Personally, I think a good gesture would be to leave the no1 plate off, it should be on a Ducati.

2025Team/Rider list

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[iYRe]

should certainly be interesting. Apparently they have adjusted the Duc to fit MM and PB's braking needs hehe

[jim.cox]

That's a helpful diagram, thankx.

If I read it right Espargaro, Nakagami and Fernandez are all without rides next season and Gasgas are gone - yes?

[onearmedbandit]

That's a helpful diagram, thankx.

If I read it right Espargaro, Nakagami and Fernandez are all without rides next season and Gasgas are gone - yes?

Espargaro and Nakagami were announced as HRC development riders a few weeks back. And the branding exercise that Gasgas was has finished and they will wear KTM branding again.

[Reckless]

This looks worthwhile 5 Euro or about $9 NZD

Dorna Sub up till the first race
Should cover all the testing etc I would imagine

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[Reckless]

Espargaro and Nakagami were announced as HRC development riders a few weeks back. And the branding exercise that Gasgas was has finished and they will wear KTM branding again.

KTM are in the shit big time worldwide but I did read their MotoGP campaign is not going to be affected.

[jim.cox]

This looks worthwhile 5 Euro or about $9 NZD

Dorna Sub up till the first race
Should cover all the testing etc I would imagine

355179

Watch the fine print

"This subscription gives you access to all its content prior to, and not including, the first race of 2025. It also automatically renews to a 2025 subscription" - you can be sure that any renewal will be a full price

So much for the headline "watch all the races live and on demand"

[Reckless]

Watch the fine print

"This subscription gives you access to all its content prior to, and not including, the first race of 2025. It also automatically renews to a 2025 subscription" - you can be sure that any renewal will be a full price

So much for the headline "watch all the races live and on demand"

Yeh pretty sure you can override Auto renew on your log in preferences as I turned auto renew off once before as it is the default.
It does say you can control it in the ad "You can manage your auto-renewal settings in your profile."

I guess I might be the Kiwibiker test pig LOL I'll give it a go later as there will be lots of interesting stuff this year.

[SaferRides]

Yeh pretty sure you can override Auto renew on your log in preferences as I turned auto renew off once before as it is the default.
It does say you can control it in the ad "You can manage your auto-renewal settings in your profile."

I guess I might be the Kiwibiker test pig LOL I'll give it a go later as there will be lots of interesting stuff this year.These deals normally give you access to the entire MotoGP archive, so you can watch anything you missed this year or classic races. Just make sure to turn off auto renewal!

I assume it will stay on Three now next season?

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[BMWST?]

you can def turn off auto renew.Do it now otherwise you ll forget.

Subscription Details

This subscription gives you access to all its content prior to, and not including, the first race of 2025. It also automatically renews to a 2025 subscription.

Renews to:

2025 VideoPass Season - Feb 10, 2025 (139.99 €)

[BMWST?]

These deals normally give you access to the entire MotoGP archive, so you can watch anything you missed this year or classic races. Just make sure to turn off auto renewal!

I assume it will stay on Three now next season?

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I guess we will have to wait and see who pays up. It only ened up on three because spark sport pulled out

[iYRe]

I'm still just going to use motomundo.net in brave browser (using VPN for security, ita all built in).

Also, if you go to RUBU.tv you can sign up using any old details (make em up) and use the 2 day free trial and get access to sky and all sorts. I just make a new account each saturday while having breakfast. The only downside is there is no TV guide. It has 4 sky NZ channels, several "main" sky channels, discovery etc. It's quite good. If there was a rugby wc or something I'd pay for a month.

[jellywrestler]

great to see a kiwi tech on the winning team from this year, bay of plenty man Rhys Holmes

[sugilite]

Should be a good 25 season! I'm picking MM to take out the title as long as he stays healthy :yes:

[onearmedbandit]

I'll sneak this into the 2025 thread.

[Reckless]

great to see a kiwi tech on the winning team from this year, bay of plenty man Rhys Holmes

AND Kiwi Mac Attack in Moto 3

[Reckless]

Should be a good 25 season! I'm picking MM to take out the title as long as he stays healthy :yes:

You could be right but I think Pecco proved this season he is well ready to bang fairings.
I think MM's late kamikaze moves might cause some Issues.
Jorges where late but not bash you out the way late.

[BMWST?]

That table really shows the amzing consistency of Martin. When you see all the GPs that Bagnaia won ,yet still didnt win the championship.

[BMWST?]

MM seems to have an amazing ability to be able to make those late braking moves between the turn in proper and the apex. I would bet that nobody made more overtakes than him both now and in his Honda years. The frequency of his overtakes and the type of overtakes means its almost inevitable that some will result in contact.
There are at least four videos on you tube showing his races where he went from say 13th to 2nd. Just about all the overtakes are as described above. There is also one that shows one from The American round where he virtually stalled the Honda on the line but got back up to 6th or something. Again just about all the overtakes were the same.

[Grumph]

Oh sweet jesus NO. Along with Liberty Media comes the bloody baggers as a support class....

Just when you thought the sprint races were the last word in irrelevant races....

[onearmedbandit]

Could be a great thing getting more American interest into the sport, I grew up watching the Yanks (and an Aussie or two) dominate the sport. I've got nothing against it being more European based now but change can be a good thing.

[SaferRides]

There's a good read on Motorsport magazine about Martin's championship. Definitely worth using the one free article per month to read. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-king-martin-from-turn-1-at-jarama-to-the-chequered-flag-at-barcelona/

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[BMWST?]

There is an offer for the barcelona test for 5 euro. I think its just live coverage .Also allows timing pass.Timing pass extends to the beginning of season I think

[SaferRides]

There is an offer for the barcelona test for 5 euro. I think its just live coverage .Also allows timing pass.Timing pass extends to the beginning of season I thinkEverything until the first race of 2025 plus the archive. That's what the email I received said.

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[onearmedbandit]

Testing on now for those with the pass.

[F5 Dave]

Ah damn, this is old news but not good for non Dooclatteries.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/michelin-decides-against-new-front-tyre-for-2025-motogp-season/10656046/

Wish they could have ban devices earlier.

Be interesting to see how riders getting the cast off GP24 improve this year.

[iYRe]

I'm guessing they will change something to some how improve it on the Duc's

[diesel pig]

That graphic really helps keep track of who is going where. I was getting lost trying to workout where everyone is going.

[F5 Dave]

Yes a good chart.

They made a huge leap with the 24 and it super suited the grippy rear tyre as it slumps down farther so can accelerate harder earlier this be faster down the straight.

As I understand, I'm only repeating what journalists who are actually there in pits with cameras say.

If they could ban shape devices then the other bikes would be closer I'm sure.

But while there is no new grippy front the 24s have an advantage over the 23s. The 25s won't be worse.

But what's dumb is that while Aprilia went all out with Aero and downforce, that didn't help them when faced with the device war they were not paying enough attention to maybe? At least twice we saw thier system fail last year. Maybe getting it reliable stymied optimisation?

Sorry I said dumb. I meant a shame. We need more competition.

[F5 Dave]

I think that the teams in real trouble are keeping old hands to see if thier bike improves rather than the lolly scramble of new talent.
I feel sorry for Moto2 etc stars as 'Why yes. We might find a satellite Honda ride". Read: end of career.

[SaferRides]

I think that the teams in real trouble are keeping old hands to see if thier bike improves rather than the lolly scramble of new talent.
I feel sorry for Moto2 etc stars as 'Why yes. We might find a satellite Honda ride". Read: end of career.Yes, you have to feel sorry for Chantra. It looks like Yamaha are making some progress in single lap times but their race pace still isn't great.

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[iYRe]

new motogp logo, what sayest thou? I dont mind it, which probably isnt a good thing for the logo

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ume39.img?w=768&h=432&m=6

[sugilite]

new motogp logo, what sayest thou? I dont mind it, which probably isnt a good thing for the logo

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ume39.img?w=768&h=432&m=6

I think it is implying that KTM can currently only afford to build half a bike and pay half a rider. :shifty:

[iYRe]

haha, that's excellent.. who is the rider though? Binder? He possibly only needs half a bike

[sugilite]

haha, that's excellent.. who is the rider though? Binder? He possibly only needs half a bike

KTM Press Release - Breaking News!
Due to recent cost constraints, we here at KTM have now sourced our 2025 Motogp Bike development to our Indian Branch. To save costs on hiring race tracks, a street legal version of the 2025 RC16 has been built and is currently undergoing extensive testing.

KTM riders Brad Binder and Pedro Acosta have been released and we wish them the very best in their future endeavors. The new RC16 KTM bikes will now be ridden by autonomous riding AI bots. Binderbot 1.3 and Pedrobot 1.0 are under full development and progressing nicely. We expect KTM to be a real force to be reckoned with in the 2025 championship.

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/ktm-gp25.png

[iYRe]

Crafar's review of the testing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cg_7OcFxYo

[BMWST?]

Crafar's review of the testing:

he was disapointed. All the new aero will only be seen at Sepang,and The japanese didnt show much because they can test with the their factory riders at their own tests

[iYRe]

he was disapointed. All the new aero will only be seen at Sepang,and The japanese didnt show much because they can test with the their factory riders at their own tests
Yeah, it was mentioned on a few other podcasts, but the big talking point was Fabio top 2..

[pritch]

There are news items to the effect that KTM are in a dire financial situation. MotoGP is not really appropriate for a company with a cash problem. Here's hoping...

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah they've announced they are going into self-administration.

https://press.ktm.com/news-ktm-announces-strategic-restructuring-plan-?id=209380&menueid=3050&l=international

[Grumph]

If next season's sponsorship money is there and enough bikes and spares available they could still run.
MotoGP is now more an advertising site for sponsors.

But I'm reminded of MV in the 60's when they had trouble.
Hailwood rode "privat" MV's serviced I think away from the factory

[iYRe]

Pretty sure they havent said they will stop MotoGp - at least this year. They probably an expensive contract to get out of.

[onearmedbandit]

Pretty sure they havent said they will stop MotoGp - at least this year. They probably an expensive contract to get out of.

Yeah they have said the MotoGP team remains as it is, but Suzuki managed to get out of their contract. Speaking of which, there are rumours that Suzuki are looking to return to racing soon. Fingers crossed.

[iYRe]

Yeah they have said the MotoGP team remains as it is, but Suzuki managed to get out of their contract. Speaking of which, there are rumours that Suzuki are looking to return to racing soon. Fingers crossed.

Yeah, there needs to be at least one inline 4 lol

I wish someone else would give it a go, kawasaki? I wonder how Triumph would go? Just something to break up the usual suspects

[F5 Dave]

Nah Triumph don't have VW money behind them and I want to be able to get parts for my bike in the future.

[Grumph]

Yeah, there needs to be at least one inline 4 lol

I wish someone else would give it a go, kawasaki? I wonder how Triumph would go? Just something to break up the usual suspects

There's already speculation BMW could buy the team for cents on the dollar - and give themselves
an early start to the scheduled arrival in MotoGP.

Plus some good riders under contract.

[iYRe]

Nah Triumph don't have VW money behind them and I want to be able to get parts for my bike in the future.

haha!
I want to get another Sprint ST, but I cant afford 800 in rego :/

[iYRe]

From Mr Tardozzi:

"They take everything into consideration and there are graphs about everything. When I look at some of the data in the computer, it's obvious to me that this guy is showing things that no one before him can. In certain areas Marc is above everyone. He and Pecco have different riding styles, in some areas Marc is better, in others Pecco is much better. Pecco is unbeatable on the brakes - nobody else brakes like him.
But it is obvious that the GP24 showed its potential more and more from the middle of the season, because we found the right balance and the riders were able to develop the right feeling. It turned out that what Gigi Dall'Igna said during the presentation in January was correct. That the GP24 would be a step above the GP23. That's how it turned out, the performance was different. That's a plus for Gigi and for his engineers. And for our riders, who have developed the bike in the right direction. For example, we can see in the data how much better the GP24 was on the straights. But when we talk about corners, the question is whether the rider is that fast or the bike? We can check some things, but not everything. That's why it's impossible to say how big the time difference was per lap and track.
But we can take the risk because our bike is at the current level. And because the two riders of the factory team next year will be Marc Marquez and Francesco Bagnaia. Nobody else has these two, only us. They will be very strong and improve the bike. That's why they are not afraid of KTM and Aprilia. Or Yamaha - I'm sure they will get better soon, they are making the right steps."

[SaferRides]

From Mr Tardozzi:Exactly. Like last season, the only question will be who is the fastest on the GP25.

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[onearmedbandit]

From Mr Tardozzi: ...That's why they are not afraid of KTM and Aprilia. Or Yamaha - I'm sure they will get better soon, they are making the right steps.

Honda just felt the burn.

[iYRe]

Exactly. Like last season, the only question will be who is the fastest on the GP25.

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I was watching paddock pass and they were saying that unfortunately for Pecco there is more tracks MM is likely to be faster on. They also said MM is more devious and ruthless than Pecco and he will throw every thing at winning, because that's his nature. Pecco, I think, is more of a "new age guy" on and off the track, and that might be his undoing. I also think he needs a wide open track ahead, whereas MM can make that pass on the last corner after spending some time working out the optimal moment and place to make that snap attack. Pecco did get involved in a little 2 and fro with Martin, but I think 2 and fro with MM is a little more intense - his race savy and alien abilities just might push Pecco past the limit, if you know what I mean.

MM falls off, but he tends to fall off when it doesnt matter so much, but Pecco falls off when he is pushing it... maybe he'll learn that lesson from MM.

[Reckless]

Honda just felt the burn.

I picked up on that too Honda not even in the equation LOL


I was watching paddock pass and they were saying that unfortunately for Pecco there is more tracks MM is likely to be faster on. They also said MM is more devious and ruthless than Pecco and he will throw every thing at winning, because that's his nature. Pecco, I think, is more of a "new age guy" on and off the track, and that might be his undoing. I also think he needs a wide open track ahead, whereas MM can make that pass on the last corner after spending some time working out the optimal moment and place to make that snap attack. Pecco did get involved in a little 2 and fro with Martin, but I think 2 and fro with MM is a little more intense - his race savy and alien abilities just might push Pecco past the limit, if you know what I mean.

MM falls off, but he tends to fall off when it doesnt matter so much, but Pecco falls off when he is pushing it... maybe he'll learn that lesson from MM.

Very good insight that you might be right there or they will take each other out and KTM will win its first championship while going bust LOL

[iYRe]

Very good insight that you might be right there or they will take each other out and KTM will win its first championship while going bust LOL


Hahaha yeah.. paddock pass said they generally expected Martin will win like 3 or so Sprint/GPs. Not sure whether Paddock Pass is reputable source, but they seem ok to me

[BMWST?]

Nobody can overtake like MM .He just seems to be able to overtake as he wishes. It isnt discussed much but I also think that he is very very good at managing the tyres.
Have upgraded some technology at Home. Have got android TV now and downloaded motogp app and just renewed with motogp,with timing pass thrown in for 139.99 euro.

[Reckless]

Nobody can overtake like MM .He just seems to be able to overtake as he wishes. It isnt discussed much but I also think that he is very very good at managing the tyres.
Have upgraded some technology at Home. Have got android TV now and downloaded motogp app and just renewed with motogp,with timing pass thrown in for 139.99 euro.

I'll leave mine till the season starts I just have the app on my phone linked to No spoiler then chromcast it to the TV.
TIP
I found it important to link directly to the no spoiler section of motoGP or you might get a headline when going into the app on who won 3 hours previously.
Thats a real bummer LOL

[SaferRides]

I'm watching on a 10-year old TV streaming through a Chromecast from my phone. Works fine, and I can use my smart watch as the remote!

Maybe when we get 4k sports content I'll upgrade.

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[F5 Dave]

Just to see the Aliens 'Shoulder' it.

[BMWST?]

I'll leave mine till the season starts I just have the app on my phone linked to No spoiler then chromcast it to the TV.
TIP
I found it important to link directly to the no spoiler section of motoGP or you might get a headline when going into the app on who won 3 hours previously.
Thats a real bummer LOL
Oh yes I forgot about that,I watch on my laptop and the bookmark is no spoiler.

edit on motogp "In our official apps for iOS and Android devices, you can also set the VIDEOPASS section as your default page to access always without spoilers"

[Reckless]

According to this KTM are in and staying???

https://www.si.com/onsi/racing/news/ktm-breaks-silence-over-motogp-project-future-01je6vj3p347

[SaferRides]

According to this KTM are in and staying???

https://www.si.com/onsi/racing/news/ktm-breaks-silence-over-motogp-project-future-01je6vj3p347They are "pausing" work on the 2025 bikes until February - see the latest story on motomatters.com. KTM are in deep shit, who knows what will happen.

I'll bet Mav wishes he'd stayed at Aprilia!

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[iYRe]

According to this KTM are in and staying???

https://www.si.com/onsi/racing/news/ktm-breaks-silence-over-motogp-project-future-01je6vj3p347

Seems like all the commentary apart from a few dodgy sites were saying that it unlikely they would leave at this point. Its likely that the cost of trying to leave motogp is prohibitive as well

[SaferRides]

Seems like all the commentary apart from a few dodgy sites were saying that it unlikely they would leave at this point. Its likely that the cost of trying to leave motogp is prohibitive as wellIt's fair to say that's the intention of KTM management, but it may not be their decision to make depending on what happens to the company.

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[F5 Dave]

Leaving MotoGP would be a blow. But not as much as RedBull Rookies or the feeder classes. We'd be dusting off old 125 and 250s.. so actually. . .

[Grumph]

Leaving MotoGP would be a blow. But not as much as RedBull Rookies or the feeder classes. We'd be dusting off old 125 and 250s.. so actually. . .

Wouldn't surprise me if they sold off the contract for Moto3 bike provision and maintenance. Likewise the rookies and Euro juniors.

If the fleet of KTM's and rebadged KTM's disappears, Moto3 might just as well go electric.

The Moto2 side I'd think is probably the cheapest part of KTM's racing. Sponsor money may cover it as they say Red Bull are staying involved.

[iYRe]

Sponsor money may cover it as they say Red Bull are staying involved.

Red Bull get quite involved in stuff though, werent they making F1 engines at some point to help out one of the teams?
I seem to recall hearing that the other day

[iYRe]

In Other news, Alpine to sponsor Pramac along with Prima from 2025: https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/alpine-to-sponsor-pramac-motogp-team-from-2025/10679254/

[SaferRides]

Red Bull get quite involved in stuff though, werent they making F1 engines at some point to help out one of the teams?
I seem to recall hearing that the other dayIt's complicated. The current Red Bull engine is basically the Honda, but made in a factory in England funded by the team with Red Bull sponsorship. From 2026 it will become Ford as Honda is going to make F1 engines again and supply them to Aston Martin.

Confused yet?

One possibility is that KTM become Red Bull if KTM funding dries up.

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[iYRe]

One possibility is that KTM become Red Bull if KTM funding dries up.


Yeah I heard that too - still using KTM's though. Although, if KTM left there might be an opportunity for Suzuki to come back, as they have suggested they are interested again

[SaferRides]

Yeah I heard that too - still using KTM's though. Although, if KTM left there might be an opportunity for Suzuki to come back, as they have suggested they are interested againI'm sure Dorna could find room on the grid. We need more blue bikes!

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[F5 Dave]

In Other news, Alpine to sponsor Pramac along with Prima from 2025: https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/alpine-to-sponsor-pramac-motogp-team-from-2025/10679254/

I thought they made cassette tapes:wacko:
Have a box in the garage for garage stereo. Must check.

[BMWST?]

I reckon KTM will be out at the end of 26 .Surely the cost of developing and building a brnd new bike will be prohibitive

[Reckless]

Seeing as how F1 has been mentioned I have been downloading the races Liam Lawson has been in and as such following the last of the F1 season.

What a bloody crock of shit F1 is :lol: between DRS and drivers letting their team mate through to win 100m before the finish line when they have led the whole race, where is the actual racing FFS.

People complain about MotoGP but at least the racing is racing :) F1 is an orgainised parade compared to Bike racing.

Ducati could teach those clowns a few principles on how to race and make yourself look honorable.

Never seen so much orchestrated Bullshit :ar15:

[SaferRides]

I agree, there is almost a total lack of sportsmanship in modern F1, especially compared to MotoGP. Just compare the behaviour on the racetrack of Bagnaia to the current F1 world champion.

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[onearmedbandit]

Lando giving up the lead in that race wasn't team orders (in fact they told him to hold his place), it was him paying back Oscar for doing the same for him in Brazil. It was a gentlemanly act.

[Reckless]

Lando giving up the lead in that race wasn't team orders (in fact they told him to hold his place), it was him paying back Oscar for doing the same for him in Brazil. It was a gentlemanly act.

Yeh I get that it but adding a previous incident as an excuse for the second doesn't excuse the bullshit, it only makes it worse in my mind.

Thank heaven that shit didn't go on between Ducati and Pramac I'd never have paid for another MotoGP subscription.
In fact in MotoGP and the 2 wheel world bolstered HUGE respect for the Ducati brand.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeh I get that it but adding a previous incident as an excuse for the second doesn't excuse the bullshit, it only makes it worse in my mind.

Thank heaven that shit didn't go on between Ducati and Pramac I'd never have paid for another MotoGP subscription.
In fact in MotoGP and the 2 wheel world bolstered HUGE respect for the Ducati brand.

Riders in MotoGP have done other riders favours, liken paying back a tow in qualifying (can't think of any race wins being given up off the top of my head). If it was team orders then yeah I'd agree, but this was just two racers being good dudes to each other (and against team instructions).

[Grumph]

Riders in MotoGP have done other riders favours, liken paying back a tow in qualifying (can't think of any race wins being given up off the top of my head). If it was team orders then yeah I'd agree, but this was just two racers being good dudes to each other (and against team instructions).

You kids are probably too young - but the classic is Ivy/Read in a 125TT in the IOM. Read supposed to win - leading the points.
Ivy not happy so went mad on the bike and did the first 100mph lap on a 125. Leading when he pulled in to a group of spectators.
Asked who was leading, lol , then yawned and rode off again. Having lost enough time for Read to go through.

Made his point I think - which didn't go down well with Yamaha.

[SaferRides]

Lando giving up the lead in that race wasn't team orders (in fact they told him to hold his place), it was him paying back Oscar for doing the same for him in Brazil. It was a gentlemanly act.It was utterly pointless and could have gone badly wrong. Neither driver looked very happy afterwards. The worst though was Max whinging about Lando not slowing down for waved yellows that he hadn't seen. Just shows you the mentality of the guy.

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[iYRe]

Back to MotoGp :P Here's a quote from Lorenzo about MM:



��️ "Marquez is a beast and the only rider who will not tell you he likes to fall because no one likes to crash," said Lorenzo, as reported by Crash, Tuesday (3/12/2024).
��️ "But he's not afraid of falling, that's what's unique about him."
Lorenzo saw Marquez always wanting to be the best even when conditions were not in his favor. That's what makes him not like a normal racer.
��️ "He always wants to win even when he's not in top condition. On the circuit, even when the bike is not working well, he's still ambitious, he always wants to beat you," Lorenzo explained.
��️ "He thought he was going to fall, but he was not afraid to fall, in this sense, he is very unique," he said.

[Reckless]

Now the rumor mill has got Lewis Hamilton buying the KTM Team :bleh:

https://www.paddock-gp.com/en/motogp-lewis-hamilton-savior-of-the-ktm-rc16-project-this-is-the-sensational-rumor-coming-from-f1-which-is-playing-its-final-in-abu-dhabi/

[SaferRides]

Now the rumor mill has got Lewis Hamilton buying the KTM Team :bleh:

https://www.paddock-gp.com/en/motogp-lewis-hamilton-savior-of-the-ktm-rc16-project-this-is-the-sensational-rumor-coming-from-f1-which-is-playing-its-final-in-abu-dhabi/He wants to buy a MotoGP team and had discussions with Gresini. But I doubt that the racing part of KTM is actually for sale at this time.

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[Grumph]

He wants to buy a MotoGP team and had discussions with Gresini. But I doubt that the racing part of KTM is actually for sale at this time.

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Remember it's now like F1 where if you can pick up a team with their existing right to compete, you can change manufacturer as you choose.

Once you've got a foot in the door and belong to the limited number of teams allowed, you're in.

[F5 Dave]

Shall we start ktm a Givealittle page?

[Autech]

Just popped back on the forum to say: MM champoin 2025 or GTFO, that's coming from someone who is a big doubter of his, I see him gapping them fools this year big time on an equal bike. Unless KTM step it up and give Pedro some gangsta stuff

[BMWST?]

Just popped back on the forum to say: MM champoin 2025 or GTFO, that's coming from someone who is a big doubter of his, I see him gapping them fools this year big time on an equal bike. Unless KTM step it up and give Pedro some gangsta stuff
its going to be the Ducati Factory Team Show

[iYRe]

Frankie Carchedi Interview: Working with Marc Marquez in 2024 + more 🚨| MotoGP Podcast - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpj9JMiqGC0)

Interesting interview with Frankie Cardedi about MM, some rookies etc.. very interesting. Especially the comment that MM is calm... even when stuff is going wrong.

[BMWST?]

Frankie Carchedi Interview: Working with Marc Marquez in 2024 + more 🚨| MotoGP Podcast - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpj9JMiqGC0)

Interesting interview with Frankie Cardedi about MM, some rookies etc.. very interesting. Especially the comment that MM is calm... even when stuff is going wrong.

thats plausible when you think how he copes with the flag to flag races.He seems unflappable.I wonder how Alex M is going to go .He had some good showings on the GP 23.Is he going to get a 24?

[iYRe]

thats plausible when you think how he copes with the flag to flag races.He seems unflappable.I wonder how Alex M is going to go .He had some good showings on the GP 23.Is he going to get a 24?
I think there is 3x 25's and 1x 24 - and I think Am gets the 24, which he was very quick on.

Carchedi said that MM's belief in what he can do is surreal. He also said that MM is a level and a half above everyone in left hand tracks. He said they can see how he does it, but no one can replicate it on the track. He also said that by the end of the season MM average right hand fast corner speed (his weakest point) was fast (he implied faster than everyone if not the same).

Next year is going to be hella interesting. Pecco v MM, AM v Pecco and MM, Pecco MM and AM v everyone else.

[BMWST?]

I think there is 3x 25's and 1x 24 - and I think Am gets the 24, which he was very quick on.

Carchedi said that MM's belief in what he can do is surreal. He also said that MM is a level and a half above everyone in left hand tracks. He said they can see how he does it, but no one can replicate it on the track. He also said that by the end of the season MM average right hand fast corner speed (his weakest point) was fast (he implied faster than everyone if not the same).

Next year is going to be hella interesting. Pecco v MM, AM v Pecco and MM, Pecco MM and AM v everyone else.

And Digi has a 25 too

[iYRe]

And Digi has a 25 too

Yep, MM, Pecco, and Digi on 25's and AM on a 24.
In another video I watched, this guy pointed out that every time MM has been partnered with someone "good", like a dream team scenario, he just kicked ass. But then, it was the honda.

This time might be different because everyone is expecting the duc's to still be a step ahead of everyone, and Pecco can be fast enough because the bike wasnt specifically designed for MM.

However I am suspecting that this year Ducati are making it so the bikes can be way more tailored to a rider, hence MM's avg RH corner speed increases on the 24 - the 25 will be even more flexible.

Its either gonna be really exciting, or a one horse race... lol

[SaferRides]

And Digi has a 25 tooIt's going to be very interesting to see how he does on the latest spec bike. I don't know much about the VR46 team, but I hope they have the right people to get the best out of the 25.

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[F5 Dave]

So Aldeguer and Morbidelli on 24s as well.

So despite the various calming voices from KTM, i wonder if Ducati are keeping all the spare 2024 bikes readily to hand.

Let's say the Receiver party got another shock and said, change of plan. We'll keep the dirt competition, but developing a new 850 alongside 2 years of 1000 makes no sense.

Wonder how independent Tech3 are these days? Wonder if they have had a What if conversation? With several parties. Pedro being one of them.

[pritch]

There was an unconfirmed report that Lewis Hamilton was interested in buying the KTM MotoGP team.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah Reckless mentioned it a few days ago.

[F5 Dave]

Doarna announcement. Drastic cost savings.

2026 CB500s running on cooking oil and 12% vinegar.

[BMWST?]

Doarna announcement. Drastic cost savings.

2026 CB500s running on cooking oil and 12% vinegar.

Which CB500 are you referring??


CB500 Four: A standard motorcycle produced from 1971 to 1978. It had a 498 cc engine, a top speed of 115 mph, and was styled similarly to the CB750.
CB500 twin: A family of medium-sized motorcycles produced from 1993 to 2003. They were popular with commuters and couriers due to their low cost, reliability, and good handling.
CB500F: A lightweight, affordable, naked-motorcycle with a DOHC twin-cylinder engine. It has premium features like an anti-lock braking system (ABS), dual-disc front brake, and a Thin Film Transistor (TFT) instrument display.
CB500 Hornet: A 2024 model with an LED headlight and tail lamp, a 5-in TFT display, and Honda RoadSync smartphone connectivity.
CB500X: An adventure touring bike in the Honda 500 twins group.
CBR500R: A sport bike in the Honda 500 twins group.
CMX500 Rebel: A bobber in the Honda 500 twins group.
CL500: A standard, "Scrambler-style" bike in the Honda 500 twins group.
NX500: An adventure touring bike in the Honda 500 twins group

[F5 Dave]

Chap down the road has a 500X. Let's say those. :cool:

[sugilite]

Chap down the road has a 500X. Let's say those. :cool:

What mods does this F5D-500X have and has the owner noticed the fresh repsol paint job yet?

[Reckless]

Chap down the road has a 500X. Let's say those. :cool:

You can race one of those here buddy :) Suzuki series has a new adventure bike class :)
Racing today in Manfeild to be precise, then Cemetary Circuit boxing day

[jato]

Haven't been to manfeild for quite a while - i see they are doing 1m 4s ... shize that's smoking around there.

[Grumph]

Haven't been to manfeild for quite a while - i see they are doing 1m 4s ... shize that's smoking around there.

WSB got into the 8's so with about 70 HP more and better tyres.....

[F5 Dave]

You can race one of those here buddy :) Suzuki series has a new adventure bike class :)
Racing today in Manfeild to be precise, then Cemetary Circuit boxing day
Oh good grief. I'll witness at Cmtry cct this year. I missed last year as ill, but except covid hadn't missed on since I was 19 and a couple before then.

Been out 9n Beta Dirtbike today, so the mods to the CB would be to throw out the farty engine and go 300 2 stroke:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:.

[Reckless]

Acosta getting cold feet??? He has a point, strikes me as a very smart boy.

https://www.paddock-gp.com/en/motogp-pedro-acosta%27s-reason-for-leaving-is-found-when-he-signed-he-was-convinced-that-ktm-would-give-him-the-tools-to-fight-for-the-title/

This could be really bad for KTM
I mean to say would you go buy a new KTM with what is out there Atm. There is many that wont.
I expect KTM will see a massive drop in sales on top of what is going on ATM, unless the buying public can get some positive assurance very very soon that KTM have a real future.
Wonder what sales have been last month?
The delay on the above assurance could well be the nail in the coffin.

Not the first time public perception has buggered something up you only got to look at the share market :(
I own one and am a KTM fan but the longer this goes on it don't look good :(

Thoughts Guys

[F5 Dave]

I really fukn hate the sites and youtube 'ClickMe' bullshit Tabloid approach.

"MotoGP, Pedro Acosta's reason for departure is found: "when he signed, he was convinced that KTM. . ."

What horseshit. You read the article and he hasn't 'departed'. OK he might, but he hasn't yet and it's unlikely he could break the contract without both sides and somewhere to go.

Kept seeing thing on YouTube with. "It's over [insert picture of rider]" and it was just claptrap made to make you click. To the point I assume they all are lying and avoid engaging.

[Reckless]

I really fukn hate the sites and youtube 'ClickMe' bullshit Tabloid approach.

"MotoGP, Pedro Acosta's reason for departure is found: "when he signed, he was convinced that KTM. . ."

What horseshit. You read the article and he hasn't 'departed'. OK he might, but he hasn't yet and it's unlikely he could break the contract without both sides and somewhere to go.

Kept seeing thing on YouTube with. "It's over [insert picture of rider]" and it was just claptrap made to make you click. To the point I assume they all are lying and avoid engaging.


Actually you have a very valid point there which put my brain back on track.

Case in Point: I have been following Liam Lawsons progress and the shit that is all over the web about F1 is very much the same.
Article after article - Red Bull this and Red bull that when they no fuck all about it.

Just shows you, chatting to other nutcases on Kiwibiker is makes complete sense LMAO

[SaferRides]

Yeah, that headline was ridiculous. KTM keep saying that the racing is a separate organisation, but that begs the question of where the money comes from. If development of the 2025 bike has been paused as reported, then the obvious question is what will they be racing next year?

Also, all of the teams have finalised their riders for next season, so there is nowhere for Pedro to go in the short term.

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[Reckless]

"If development of the 2025 bike has been paused as reported" Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

I read that as well and Prob this is what is concerning Acosta especially with Martin raving in the press about how good the new 2025 Aprilia is :)

[F5 Dave]

KB? Who would've thunk it?:blink:

But no doubt it is concerning. Especially when you have to develop a new bike but also leapfrog the existing one.

[iYRe]

Apparently Yamahahahaha are testing their V4 at sepang some time around now. They said it wouldnt be on track till mid 2025, but this test is sooner than expected so maybe they might even start the season with the V4

[F5 Dave]

Be embarrassing to fail in public both on terms of reliability and performance. But the presumably lax concessions can hopefully speed up development. FQ with the right bike would be great to see. Especially with Yamaha on the side of it.

[pritch]

I really fukn hate the sites and youtube 'ClickMe' bullshit Tabloid approach.


That has reached pandemic proportions. A lot of YouTube clips are headlined "Three minutes ago" or similar but when you check it was actually three days ago. If you do view the content it will be unfounded speculation or old news. I'm working on ignoring such headlines.

My other pet peeve is AI. Lots of the sports clips have AI commentary and sub titles. The mispronounced names, accent on the wrong word, and false full stops, make the spoken AI commentary barely comprehensible. I was switching items as soon as the spoken commentary blooped but the next one would be the same. Misspellings and completely wrong words are the norm with the subtitles, to the point they often don't even make sense. Either way it's completely frustrating.

[BMWST?]

That has reached pandemic proportions. A lot of YouTube clips are headlined "Three minutes ago" or similar but when you check it was actually three days ago. If you do view the content it will be unfounded speculation or old news. I'm working on ignoring such headlines.

My other pet peeve is AI. Lots of the sports clips have AI commentary and sub titles. The mispronounced names, accent on the wrong word, and false full stops, make the spoken AI commentary barely comprehensible. I was switching items as soon as the spoken commentary blooped but the next one would be the same. Misspellings and completely wrong words are the norm with the subtitles, to the point they often don't even make sense. Either way it's completely frustrating.
and 66 percent of them are supposedly about MM.I recognise some of them now and like you as soon as i hear that text to speech tone .....goodbye

[SaferRides]

The EU has decided to carry out a full investigation of Liberty taking over Dorna. That could take a while...

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[pritch]

Further to my mini rant about sloppy AI and such. A recent 'innovation' is when a clip is describing a particular bike and they illustrate it with pictures of a different bike or bikes. It seems any bike will do. I was watching a clip about a new Honda 350 and after some photos of the 350 photos of the CB1300 started appearing. Colour me gone.

To my latest displeasure. A travel clip by a Pom who visited NZ, a series of touristy shots including Huka Falls - and a crocodile. WTF?

[Grumph]

To my latest displeasure. A travel clip by a Pom who visited NZ, a series of touristy shots including Huka Falls - and a crocodile. WTF?

A crocodile living at the Huka falls would certainly clear up a couple of mystery deaths....

[F5 Dave]

Did it have an iron bar on it? Could have been what really did in Plumly-Walker:confused:

[SaferRides]

Maybe not Red Bull to the rescue? https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1061699/1/ktm-boss-makes-blockbuster-lewis-hamilton-admission

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[iYRe]

KTM gone after 2026:


KTM CONFIRM EXIT FROM MOTOGP and Dani Pedrosa Test contract in jeopardy.
KTM has officially announced its exit from MotoGP and all associated racing categories by 2026. It’s a move driven by sheer necessity, as the company grapples with a staggering €440 million liquidity gap, a backlog of unsold bikes, and mounting financial woes.
This announcement marks a dramatic shift from the defiant tone of KTM MotoGP boss Pit Beirer, who had previously shot down rumours of a withdrawal. While KTM initially labelled it a “pause,” the reality of their economic predicament has turned this into a permanent goodbye.
AKV, the restructuring firm managing KTM’s financial recovery, explained the decision:
“It is planned not to extend the contract with MotoGP, which runs until 2026. An early withdrawal from the racing series is not currently planned. The reason for this is the reduction in costs for KTM AG and its subsidiaries.”
By committing to stay until 2026, KTM avoids the backlash of an abrupt exit, while saving face by fulfilling existing rider contracts, however the €600,000 annual wage that test pilot Dani Pedrosa currently commands may also now be in consideration for termination in order for the 2025 season to continue.
The financial upside? Shedding MotoGP participation trims an estimated €46 million from KTM’s budget.
As the MotoGP paddock prepares for a grid without one of its fiercest competitors, the sport itself faces a new reality, with KTM’s exit reshaping its competitive landscape And possibly allowing BMW to enter.
(Superbike News)

[SaferRides]

They are probably continuing this year for contractual reasons and in the hope of finding buyers for some parts of the racing operations. Red Bull must pay a decent amount for their sponsorship, but I can't see them forking out €96 million to keep it all going.

It is also a massive headache for Dorna.

Watch this space, but progress may take a while.

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[onearmedbandit]

Suzuki have acknowledged that a return to racing will happen, maybe they can buy KTM's slot. Mind you Dorna has always said there's room for another manufacturer so they might not need that slot. Of course I'd love to see them back, but they have lost a lot of key staff so it would be a long road for them. HRC's budget is said to be bigger than the entire budget of Suzuki, cars, bikes and marine.

[pritch]

Not wishing to be too pessimistic but... There are numerous reports of dealerships in Britain closing. Pessimists are talking of motorcycling dying. The arse has reportedly dropped out of the UK classic bike market too.

Nothing is moving in the American car yards. US motorcycle sales are flat and Harley sales are falling.

It would seem that this is not a great time for KTM to be having money troubles. Neither would it seem to be a great time for another manufacturer to enter MotoGP, but they will doubtless have their own economists watching closely.

[Grumph]

Suzuki have acknowledged that a return to racing will happen, maybe they can buy KTM's slot. Mind you Dorna has always said there's room for another manufacturer so they might not need that slot. Of course I'd love to see them back, but they have lost a lot of key staff so it would be a long road for them. HRC's budget is said to be bigger than the entire budget of Suzuki, cars, bikes and marine.

Since the 1970's Suzuki's race programme has been sponsor driven. They don't pay for their own racing - at the top level.

In reply to Pritch I'd also point out the asian market for small bikes is still booming. That's where the Japanese brands make their money.
Not the US or Europe. Basic transportation still sells in asia.

[onearmedbandit]

Since the 1970's Suzuki's race programme has been sponsor driven. They don't pay for their own racing - at the top level.

That's interesting to know. They must have quite a good arrangement as the last time they were in MotoGP "Suzuki" took up most of the fairing space with Ecstar and Monster getting minor areas.


In reply to Pritch I'd also point out the asian market for small bikes is still booming. That's where the Japanese brands make their money.
Not the US or Europe. Basic transportation still sells in asia.

Yeah their presence in that market is huge. and as you point out where they see the bulk of their returns.

[Grumph]

That's interesting to know. They must have quite a good arrangement as the last time they were in MotoGP "Suzuki" took up most of the fairing space with Ecstar and Monster getting minor areas.

Your own fairing is a good example. Suzuki is relatively small and when a sponsor wants out Suzuki usually drops out too. Rarely have they had another waiting to take over.

[onearmedbandit]

Your own fairing is a good example. Suzuki is relatively small and when a sponsor wants out Suzuki usually drops out too. Rarely have they had another waiting to take over.

I was thinking of this era.

[F5 Dave]

So another plug for Oxley Bom podcast, this a patrion release . They give an insight on how it is possible for a competitor to 'harvest' data from the practice lap you see. Dorna control the onbike cameras and mandate the Can bus data so they can display those cool graphics depicting the circle of data you the viewer sees.

Lean angle isn't that useful maybe, but a lap shows (the time for a lap they can see if it's worth learning from), but speed, gear, Green line, percent of throttle at bar openings, and brake pressure Red line. From the Audio they can determine Revs. With all that on screen, you can teach Ai to depict those in relationship to the others in a typical 2D chart, the like you've seen on various bike mag articles.

Once you've done this you can do it everytime they show a lap on feed, then obviously compare it with you own bike data with just those parameters. Just one of the ways to measure where you may be behind and what to work on.

[Grumph]

So another plug for Oxley Bom podcast, this a patrion release . They give an insight on how it is possible for a competitor to 'harvest' data from the practice lap you see. Dorna control the onbike cameras and mandate the Can bus data so they can display those cool graphics depicting the circle of data you the viewer sees.

Lean angle isn't that useful maybe, but a lap shows (the time for a lap they can see if it's worth learning from), but speed, gear, Green line, percent of throttle at bar openings, and brake pressure Red line. From the Audio they can determine Revs. With all that on screen, you can teach Ai to depict those in relationship to the others in a typical 2D chart, the like you've seen on various bike mag articles.

Once you've done this you can do it everytime they show a lap on feed, then obviously compare it with you own bike data with just those parameters. Just one of the ways to measure where you may be behind and what to work on.

And I thought it was sneaky some years back when F1 teams were analysing the audio to discover what RPM the opposition was using....But afaik that was all they were able to check - then.
So now Dorna or whoever winds up owning MotoGP can leak information selectively if they wish - simply by picking what goes to the public feed.
And what doesn't.

[F5 Dave]

Yes, but they are probably showing pole sitters anyway. Not many people will be tuning in to see how poor Luca is doing on the *onda. ;)

[Grumph]

Yes, but they are probably showing pole sitters anyway. Not many people will be tuning in to see how poor Luca is doing on the *onda. ;)

Wonder what the fines are for having "unreliable" camera and data feeds.

[F5 Dave]

Apparently it is mandatory how it's setup. To add some dither would be very hard and detected if the laptimes did not match. Expulsion would not be worth the risk. Of course you don't know when they will show your lap, if at all, so no sandbagging.

[jellywrestler]

decent story on TV1 tonight on Cormac Buchanan heading to Moto3
no idea how to provide a link, someone else may?

[onearmedbandit]

decent story on TV1 tonight on Cormac Buchanan heading to Moto3
no idea how to provide a link, someone else may?

I screen recorded it, hopefully it doesn't get flagged.

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[SaferRides]

Yeah, great opportunity for him. Might have to start watching Moto3.

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[Grumph]

I wish him all the best - but can see two potential problems off the bat.

Size. He's not a small unit and hasn't finished growing. Moto3 rides have been lost due to being too tall or 5kg too heavy.

Temperament. He seems a nice guy. In Moto3 you need to be a ruthless arrogant bastard who will ride over anyone to win.

[SaferRides]

A couple of interesting articles on motomatters,com with predictions for 2025. https://motomatters.com/analysis/2025/01/12/looking_ahead_to_2025_motogp_predictions.html

No prizes for guessing his pick for world champion!

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[sugilite]

No prizes for guessing his pick for world champion!

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Bagnaia gets abducted by and dispatched by an alien?

[Reckless]

Bagnaia gets abducted by and dispatched by an alien?

Probably correct Much to Rossi's dismay LMAO
But Bagnia showed a lot of metal last season on track. He is a sportsman so I wish him well. :niceone::first:

[F5 Dave]

I wish him all the best - but can see two potential problems off the bat.

Size. He's not a small unit and hasn't finished growing. Moto3 rides have been lost due to being too tall or 5kg too heavy.

Temperament. He seems a nice guy. In Moto3 you need to be a ruthless arrogant bastard who will ride over anyone to win.
Millions spent!
Ahh, that's where I went wrong! I only spent tens. Of dollars. If I could go back in time. :innocent:

[iYRe]

Testing video from Barcelona for interests sakes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFkWUZw1To

[Grumph]

It looks like the KTM problems are starting to force change. The FIM is proposing a single bike 500cc/80hp Moto3.

ATM they're looking for someone to supply the complete bike - but Yamaha for one is only interested in engine supply.

It may well finish up like Moto2 with a single engine supplier.

I was interested to see that the current prototype class Moto3 bikes actually cost more than Moto2.

[jim.cox]

The FIM is proposing a single bike 500cc/80hp Moto3.

That sounds like the old F3 rules.
No thanks, I want something more like multi-cylinder bikes I can buy in the shops - which sounds like WSB

[BMWST?]

i appreciate the racing in moto 2 and moto3 but i cant get enthused in it .I think its becaue there is no "bike" .No brand to identify with. I rckon they need to go back to having different makes . Make moto 3 pretty basic but let moto 2 have some motogp like technology so there can be some learning of moto gp

[Grumph]

That sounds like the old F3 rules.
No thanks, I want something more like multi-cylinder bikes I can buy in the shops - which sounds like WSB

That's single bike - not single cylinder. Pretty sure it would be a high revving twin or triple.

Moto3 currently does have "brands". Honda and KTM variants.

Moto2 with a spec engine and chassis from small suppliers - except again KTM - is undoubtedly cheaper.
I think the last thing any of us wants to see is MotoGP aero and complex electronics spread into the lower classes

I'd far rather see MotoGP bikes simplified. Less aero, no holeshot devices. Bigger rider's balls.

[jim.cox]

I'd far rather see MotoGP bikes simplified. Less aero, no holeshot devices. Bigger rider's balls.

Whereas I see MotoGP about going as fast as you absolutely possibly can - and while keeping the rulebook as simple as possible.

To me, what you are describing is what WSB should be.

[F5 Dave]

You then run into the problem that the bikes are too fast for some tracks. Spec traction control means aero needed to stop wheelie. Aero however drags bikes following dangerous like a game of skittles. Makes passing difficult.

I'd like exciting racing. It's a hard compromise.

[jim.cox]

You then run into the problem that the bikes are too fast for some tracks.

That's what I mean about going as fast as you possibly can


I'd like exciting racing.

Yeah! Me too x10 - you only have to look at F1 to see what a shitshow it could be

[SaferRides]

That's single bike - not single cylinder. Pretty sure it would be a high revving twin or triple.

Moto3 currently does have "brands". Honda and KTM variants.

Moto2 with a spec engine and chassis from small suppliers - except again KTM - is undoubtedly cheaper.
I think the last thing any of us wants to see is MotoGP aero and complex electronics spread into the lower classes
.
Multi-cylinder please for Moto3. A 4-stroke single just does not sound right.

Moto2 already has a spec engine (Triumph), and you need a Kalex chassis to win. There is limited electronics, traction control and engine mapping? They were louder than the MotoGP bikes at Phillip Island, possibly because they can use more throttle at that track.



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[F5 Dave]

That's what I mean about going as fast as you possibly can. . .
Yeah but there's not enough run off at some tracks as you pass 300 or whatever. Every 10km faster means you travel that much further and hit barriers with that much more speed and inevitability get that much more dead if allowed to continue. Hence 850 rule, but it's not the best way to attack the real world problem .

Tracks like Philip Island which e everyone loves is close to not viable.

[BMWST?]

Yeah but there's not enough run off at some tracks as you pass 300 or whatever. Every 10km faster means you travel that much further and hit barriers with that much more speed and inevitability get that much more dead if allowed to continue. Hence 850 rule, but it's not the best way to attack the real world problem .

Tracks like Philip Island which e everyone loves is close to not viable.

not sure the 850s will be significantly slower.

[Grumph]

Yeah but there's not enough run off at some tracks as you pass 300 or whatever. Every 10km faster means you travel that much further and hit barriers with that much more speed and inevitability get that much more dead if allowed to continue. Hence 850 rule, but it's not the best way to attack the real world problem .

Tracks like Philip Island which e everyone loves is close to not viable.

Not only MotoGP and the big bikes in trouble. Winton has had to scrub the bikes from it's annual car/bike Historic and Classic meeting.
The insurance co is insisting on changes for the bikes - which may not be acceptable for the cars.

So guess who loses out.

[F5 Dave]

not sure the 850s will be significantly slower.

Many people think they same after the 800 debacle.

4 speed gearboxes would limit power in favour of spread and exit speeds would be lower so velocity would be lower.

Smaller rear rims would make them slower out of corners end net result.

But they always come back to the Awkward WSB comparison.

Dave's Lore:

Should have kept them 750s. Back to late 80s WSB rules.

All 750s. Give the twins a massive weight advantage but not CCs. Make the fours heavier if you have to. You can tweak the weight rules without screwing up the base saleable bikes.

[SaferRides]

not sure the 850s will be significantly slower.But in combination with the loss of ride height devices and less aero, it should work.

Although the biggest reduction in lap times in recent seasons followed the introduction of the new Michelin rear slick in 2024.

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[Reckless]

Getting closer !!
Calendar and sub offer. Thats about $275NZD for the season jeepers??

I was gonna sub this year BUT??
Reddit wasnt to bad after I got a faster usb to download to so I could plug it in the TV
Any news on 3now???

What are you guys thinking??

355603
355604

[SaferRides]

Probably a bit early for any announcements on the ThreeNow coverage. I doubt it will improve though.

I'll probably keep going with the same downloads as last year, which I found on Reddit.

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[BMWST?]

I renewed the full sub after wtching about half of last year on a monthly sub.I reckon its not bad esp as you have all the old stuff to watch as well.Video pass lets you have about three or views at once ie commentary view,some on boards and a helicopter view all at the same time. I have got the TV going at last i watched on my laptop last year

[iYRe]

Seems like Miller and Dovi have been testing the new V4 Yamaha at sepang - if so its going pretty well

[pritch]

That sub does seem expensive but I found TV3 clunky. Feb is a bad month budget wise but once I've paid the insurances and the rates we'll see...

[BMWST?]

That sub does seem expensive but I found TV3 clunky. Feb is a bad month budget wise but once I've paid the insurances and the rates we'll see...
i must have suscribed before but i cant get onto their site,so it motogp for me for reasons above

[Reckless]

Been holding off but its about $272 NZD for the MotoGP season atm

BUT

I checked F1 Tv pro (which has all the replays etc with it) to watch Liam Lawson and thats only $99 per year from what I can google??

WHAT ??????

F1 nearly 1/3 the cost of MotoGP that SUCKS :baby:

[pritch]

On a brighter note. The latest Oxley Bom podcast has a lengthy interview with Alex Briggs. For those unfamiliar he was a MotoGP mechanic for I think he said 28 years. His riders included Doohan and Rossi. His career ended when Rossi was downgraded to a satellite team. The satellite budget didn't run to business class travel from Australia to Europe or wherever several times a year.

He's always an interesting listen.

[actungbaby]

Been holding off but its about $272 NZD for the MotoGP season atm

BUT

I checked F1 Tv pro (which has all the replays etc with it) to watch Liam Lawson and thats only $99 per year from what I can google??

WHAT ??????

F1 nearly 1/3 the cost of MotoGP that SUCKS :baby:Young kiwi in moto3 I gave start watching
Any word who got rights in nz.
I just watch on sky.

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[SaferRides]

Been holding off but its about $272 NZD for the MotoGP season atm

BUT

I checked F1 Tv pro (which has all the replays etc with it) to watch Liam Lawson and thats only $99 per year from what I can google??

WHAT ??????

F1 nearly 1/3 the cost of MotoGP that SUCKS :baby:Yes, but last time I looked, you couldn't get it in NZ because Sky has the rights.

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[F5 Dave]

Just finished listening to the podcast either end of sleeping. Had to pause it as was getting too late and was interesting keeping me awake. Long time to be in the game.

[SaferRides]

First day at Sepang and 3 riders down, including Jorge Martin who has broken bones in his hand and foot after a nasty highside. Not a good start...

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[sugilite]

Yeah, what rotten luck for Martin. He will be gutted he won't be able to give his feedback at this critical development stage to stamp his personal imprint on the bike. Now development is going to be on bezechis head. And he did not seem to have the development skills to get the gp23 sorted enough for him to be competitive with the other gp23 riders last year - concerning.

Seeing the yamahas and Honda in the top 10 is encouraging even though they already had a few days testing at the same track earlier this week.

Bagnia is languishing at the bottom of the time sheets. Nothing to be concerned about as he will be proper testing and I'm sure will be at the pointy end come the first race. Marc was lower top 10 most of the day, then decided to ride around the bikes current issues to post the 2nd fastest time - class.

KTM are struggling, no surprises there considering their off track dramas.

This year is going to be awesome, I can just feel it :yes:

[BMWST?]

Not suprised that Bagnaia is "slow" to show his speed on the 25. Thats almost signature,and ditto for his teamate. Martins crash was awful,for him,Aprilia and motogp

[SaferRides]

All Ducati care about is getting the engine right, as they will be stuck with it for 2 years. Bagnaia and Marquez were riding the GP24 chassis on Day 1. Marc probably couldn't resist having a go!

Who will be the development rider for Aprilia now that Martin and Fernandez are back in Spain? Unfortunate that they couldn't keep Aleix to do testing.

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[iYRe]

Miller says the red boys are sandbagging a bit. I dont know, Pecco said that he and Marc were testing different things.
MM was reasonably fast at the last time attack..


Hard case Gresini pits with the old 93 pit board with AM P1 written on it

[iYRe]

Post Buriram update:
Ducati using a 24.9 engine. MM average race pace is .5 faster than the single lap record. Alex M, Bezz and Acosta are next fastest at .7 seconds slower.

the next 2 years could be just a Ducati procession unless the other manufacturers can pull something out of the back in the next few days

[F5 Dave]

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2025/02/13/marc-marquez-top-bezzecchi-and-acosta-take-the-fight-to-ducati-in-buriram/518785

Um, it always was going to be.

But I read this that maybe there was a glimmer of hope that things were getting closer and that Ducati were sticking with the old engines rather than making another jump.

When are the aero designs locked for 2025?

[iYRe]

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2025/02/13/marc-marquez-top-bezzecchi-and-acosta-take-the-fight-to-ducati-in-buriram/518785

Um, it always was going to be.

But I read this that maybe there was a glimmer of hope that things were getting closer and that Ducati were sticking with the old engines rather than making another jump.

When are the aero designs locked for 2025?

The other teams still cant keep up with the 24 engine. They have apparently added some "25" parts (thus Pecco called it a 24.9). Crash said they expected more 25 parts, aero etc to be added by race day. I didnt think there was a lock day for aero, just a maximum number of changes they could make, like 3 or something. I might be mistaken there though

[F5 Dave]

I think they keep aero concealed until last min to limit copying but risky as it affects everything like suspension traction control, the lot.
Not sure but thought it was teams with concessions that could change stuff after a point.

Anyone have the skinny beyond my misunderstanding masquerading as knowledge?

[F5 Dave]

Oxley blog:

Testing can always flatter to deceive. Although some of Ducati’s rivals seem to be in less trouble than last year, the real test comes when everyone goes racing, when extracting maximum performance from a motorcycle over race distance is largely about tyre analysis and adapting the bike according to the findings of that analysis.

No one is better at this than Ducati, which still has MotoGP’s best engineering group.

[SaferRides]

Post Buriram update:
Ducati using a 24.9 engine. MM average race pace is .5 faster than the single lap record. Alex M, Bezz and Acosta are next fastest at .7 seconds slower.

the next 2 years could be just a Ducati procession unless the other manufacturers can pull something out of the back in the next few daysThe 25 engine has more power and a smoother delivery, but stuffed up the engine braking, which is pretty critical. So it will never be used.

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[F5 Dave]

The 24.9 engine is political speak for, mm. . . , actually we made a mistake, and we are using the 24 engine. Um let's try call it a 24.9 to mask that. 24.0 would be more accurate yeah? :msn-wink:

[iYRe]

The 24.9 engine is political speak for, mm. . . , actually we made a mistake, and we are using the 24 engine. Um let's try call it a 24.9 to mask that. 24.0 would be more accurate yeah? :msn-wink:

Its the 24 with some bits that were unreliable replaced with mroe reliable bits off the 25.. 6 of one, half a doz of the other lol

[SaferRides]

I've been watching some of the "There can only One" episodes before my €5 subscription runs out. Episide 2 is mostly about Ducati signing Marquez, and Gigi Dali'gna made a comment that really surprised me, when he said that the other teams have larger budgets, so Ducati has to work smarter. That would explain why so many of the Ducati engineers have moved to other teams recently, and also why Pramac went with Yamaha.

Interesting.

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[iYRe]

I've been watching some of the "There can only One" episodes before my €5 subscription runs out. Episide 2 is mostly about Ducati signing Marquez, and Gigi Dali'gna made a comment that really surprised me, when he said that the other teams have larger budgets, so Ducati has to work smarter. That would explain why so many of the Ducati engineers have moved to other teams recently, and also why Pramac went with Yamaha.

Interesting.

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Yeah the whole series is quite interesting. Its free on MotoGP's YT channel now though, that's where I have been watching it

[SaferRides]

Yeah the whole series is quite interesting. Its free on MotoGP's YT channel now though, that's where I have been watching itThinks, I've had an email to say my Videopass expires on the 18th, but the first race isn't until the end of the month.

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[iYRe]

Thinks, I've had an email to say my Videopass expires on the 18th, but the first race isn't until the end of the month.

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Yeah, well you can watch it ad free if you renew it I guess.

I cant afford videopass so its motomundo.net for the races and YT for everything else lol

[iYRe]

Crash article today, Miller things Ducati are sandbagging a bit

[Reckless]

Racing starts soon
MotoGp needs to seriously look at their pricing @ 250+NZD.
I might follow Liam Lawson this year at $100NZD for F1TV pro as opposed to $255 plus. Had it confirmed it is available in NZ, incl all the coverage, camera angles, etc.


For moto GP, TV3 Do they have it this year?? Google doesn't show TV3+ have it for 2025.
Looks like I'm downloading as it MotoGP a rip compared to F1, going to miss it tho :(

F1 is a lot bigger all round but less then 1/2 price! Dorna and MotoGP needs to get its shit togetther to grow its audience.

Rant over LOL

[iYRe]

Racing starts soon
MotoGp needs to seriously look at their pricing @ 250+NZD.
I might follow Liam Lawson this year at $100NZD for F1TV pro as opposed to $255 plus. Had it confirmed it is available in NZ, incl all the coverage, camera angles, etc.


For moto GP, TV3 Do they have it this year?? Google doesn't show TV3+ have it for 2025.
Looks like I'm downloading as it MotoGP a rip compared to F1, going to miss it tho :(

F1 is a lot bigger all round but less then 1/2 price! Dorna and MotoGP needs to get its shit togetther to grow its audience.

Rant over LOL

Motomundo . net -- its not perfect but its free. This is the list of broadcasters: https://www.motogp.com/en/broadcasters - it does say 3 NOW for NZ.

[SaferRides]

Jorge Martin has now broken his other wrist in a training accident and will miss Buriram at least. Unbelievable.

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[pritch]

F1 is a lot bigger all round but less then 1/2 price! Dorna and MotoGP needs to get its shit togetther to grow its audience.



YouTube has ambient noise clips that run for hours. There is soft music, the sound of a gentle breeze, or softly falling rain, etc. They'll all put you to sleep for less than an F1 subscription.

:devil2:

[iYRe]

Some quotes from in the Ducati camp:
(supposedly)

“This is the first time that the Bologna factory, in a very long time, who have been the pinnacle of MotoGP are standing still,” Jack Appleyard reported from the Buriram paddock.

“They present an opportunity to their rivals to get closer.


“Bagnaia is far from happy with how his Buriram test has gone. [He was still trying] to maximise the last 19 minutes of the test to close the gap to Marquez.


“The question is not: will Marc Marquez win the opening round of the year in Buriram?

“The question is: by how many seconds?


“Speaking to somebody within the Ducati camp, when asked for comments about [Marquez’s] race simulation, he described it as a knife between the heart.


“Not only for everyone in the pitlane but potentially for his teammate as well!


“Davide Tardozzi mentioned Marco Bezzecchi and how impressive he had been. Marquez, over 23 laps compared to Bez’s 13-lap sprint, was faster with a full fuel tank, doing laps to last the duration.


“It was mind-blowing, the pace that Marquez was able to do.


They are still having launch issues though, also Oxley says it will be very hot, enough so they might need to reduce the race length for H&S reasons. This year is going to be fascinating.

[roogazza]

WSB had pit a stop for everyone at the first round. H and S , I guess ? They wanted everyone to change rears.
Not a fan of pit stops myself !

[iYRe]

WSB had pit a stop for everyone at the first round. H and S , I guess ? They wanted everyone to change rears.
Not a fan of pit stops myself !

At least one rider I saw said they didnt know why they had those pit stops, it wasnt a tyre wear thing

[Reckless]

I downloaded ad watched WSBK Philip Island and it just doesn't have the excitement of MotoGP.
Racing was quite good from second back but looks like Ducati have the advantage in WSBK as well.
I dunno it just didnt seem to be the spectical or the fire MotoGP has????

[pritch]

I downloaded ad watched WSBK Philip Island and it just doesn't have the excitement of MotoGP.


There used to be a thing called the afterburner. You could hire a sprotbike and kit and do some laps. That would lift the excitement level.

[F5 Dave]

WSB had pit a stop for everyone at the first round. H and S , I guess ? They wanted everyone to change rears.
Not a fan of pit stops myself !
Make em use touring tyres on the rear. Gary McCoy it into every corner :headbang:

[onearmedbandit]

Great practice session!

[iYRe]

Great practice session!

Pecco denied Q2 due to human error, he passed a yellow flag on his fastest lap

[jato]

strayed onto the motomundo site ... it seems to tick all the boxes ... is it illegal? (if i use it i'd make a donation)

[iYRe]

strayed onto the motomundo site ... it seems to tick all the boxes ... is it illegal? (if i use it i'd make a donation)

Not legal, but a donation helps them stay alive. As an IT guy, i'd suggest using Brave or Opera as a browser on that site "just in case"

[iYRe]

News just in yamaha made a booboo

On Saturday morning at the 2025 Thai MotoGP season opener, the FIM Stewards announced that all the Friday lap times for Monster Yamaha’s Alex Rins have been cancelled due to an unusual technical infringement.

The Spaniard’s M1 was found to be using “a X2 Race Link unit… that had not been approved by official Timekeeping. This then allowed the possibility to access GPS, which is banned in MotoGP.”


It is thought the Yamaha unit was from testing and, even if it would have been legal, the crucial mistake was not getting it officially approved for use in a grand prix event.


With GPS allowed only for TV, teams have to use other methods to determine the live location of their bikes on the track - needed for things like corner-by-corner set-up of the electronics.


The official rules on GPS are as follows:


GPS
In the MotoGP class, satellite Global Positioning Systems (GPS and similar) are not permitted, except those GPS units supplied by the Organisers and used for their media and promotional purposes.

The use of the Airbag’ GPS is permitted within the rider’s race suit with the sole purpose to allow both the suit manufacturers and the organisers to analyse crash data. It is strictly forbidden for the GPS data to be shared with manufacturers, teams, or riders.

[iYRe]

Love the live graphics updates.. not too sure about the star wars font though. Ai Ogura.. what a ride. MM looking pretty scary.

[onearmedbandit]

I read today that race officials have issued an apology to Pecco and Ducati as he was incorrectly deemed to have completed his fastest lap in practice under a yellow flag situation. I missed qualifying but see he still made it into Q2 and made the front row.

[iYRe]

I read today that race officials have issued an apology to Pecco and Ducati as he was incorrectly deemed to have completed his fastest lap in practice under a yellow flag situation. I missed qualifying but see he still made it into Q2 and made the front row.

Yeah, I didnt hear how through, because the official announcement suggested it was "sorry bro, thems the rules"

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, I didnt hear how through, because the official announcement suggested it was "sorry bro, thems the rules"

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1064345/1/motogp-race-direction-issues-apology-explanation-yellow-flag-error

Human error. He wasn’t in a sector that was affected by the incident.

[iYRe]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1064345/1/motogp-race-direction-issues-apology-explanation-yellow-flag-error

Human error. He wasn’t in a sector that was affected by the incident.

Yeah but they said:

“We cannot reverse any cancellation of a lap for any rider who has seen a yellow flag. But we can - and do - apologise to Bagnaia and the Ducati Lenovo Team for the human error.”

So how did he end up P3? I thought his pace previously wasnt up there.

[onearmedbandit]

So how did he end up P3? I thought his pace previously wasnt up there.

He made it from Q1 to Q2 and qualified 3rd.

[iYRe]

He made it from Q1 to Q2 and qualified 3rd.

Well, interesting, I thought the yellow flag incident meant he didnt get to Q2. I didnt watch the practice laps though, maybe i should from now on lol

[onearmedbandit]

Well, interesting, I thought the yellow flag incident meant he didnt get to Q2. I didnt watch the practice laps though, maybe i should from now on lol

Don't forget, the fastest 2 from Q1 go through to Q2.

[iYRe]

Don't forget, the fastest 2 from Q1 go through to Q2.

Yeah, I guess I missed something.

MM leading.. tyre gets too cold, drops back, rides behind his brother, warms it up, passes him and puts 1.3 secs on him in about a lap.

Sheesh - Pecco says "Marc was just playing with us today".

[onearmedbandit]

Yup, Davide made it pretty clear to Marc not to talk about it, and when asked in Parc Ferme Marc ignored the question. I haven't seen the interview that happened later but Marc apparently did acknowledge it was for tyre pressure. I'd like to see that rule gone but not my worry.

Edit - https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1064547/1/marc-marquez-admits-he-was-three-laps-away-tyre-pressure-penalty-thai-motogp

[F5 Dave]

Watched last night after trying to avoid spoilers.

Great to have racing back on.

Lot of non duclatteys near frontier. Hope that can sustain other tracks though.

Also shows when riders get on the gp24 how the shoot up the placings.

[iYRe]

This was quite an interesting analysis of MM's tyre warming antics:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZiyTzHeOts

[F5 Dave]

So even the new Simon said that as soon as it happened and he did it last year with Digi.

The question is why was he allowed to go out so low when they knew he was going to lead all race?
Was there a slow leak in tyre, wheel or union? Seems bizarre as this must be checked and there's history here.

[onearmedbandit]

The question is why was he allowed to go out so low when they knew he was going to lead all race?
Was there a slow leak in tyre, wheel or union? Seems bizarre as this must be checked and there's history here.

I haven't watched the video yet but Marc did say that his team is still learning how he rides the bike (with respect to the tyre pressure).

[F5 Dave]

Uuhuh. This is doocatti with access to data for Africa.

I think there will be questions behind close pit walls.

[onearmedbandit]

No doubt there will.

[iYRe]

Apparently the ambient temp dropped 3 deg from morning to afternoon, and the track temp dropped from 56 to 50. That would, they say. have caused MM to do what he did.

It's more the race craft of the guy to be able to watch these things and work out what he needs to do while riding at half a sec faster than everyone else.

[F5 Dave]

Funny if the same thing happened to Alex and the brothers played a game of "No, after you" all race.

[iYRe]

Funny if the same thing happened to Alex and the brothers played a game of "No, after you" all race.

hehe.. apparently some Ducati staff were concerned that MM was riding too close to his brother, and might take him out.

They get to choose their own tire pressures depending on how they want to manage it, I guess. Maybe Pecco chose too high a pressure.

Dunno if you guys have heard this but the Triumphs in M2 have this pin/cable set up now - neutral is at the bottom, and the pin stops the riders from being able to select neutral without releasing it. It prevents a few deg of movement. SO they can not select neutral while moving.

[F5 Dave]

Hmm interesting but not very. Wonder if I can buy a kit to make my 765 more Racecredcool? :confused:

[onearmedbandit]

Michelin, you're in the bin.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2025/03/06/pirelli-to-become-motogp-tyre-supplier-from-2027/521153

[iYRe]

Michelin, you're in the bin.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2025/03/06/pirelli-to-become-motogp-tyre-supplier-from-2027/521153

If the rules werent changing I'd assume this was to try and give the none ducati's a chance - changing grip levels etc. Maybe it's just time for a change?

[F5 Dave]

They should really change the other classes so no one ring, er tyre rules them all.

[iYRe]

They should really change the other classes so no one ring, er tyre rules them all.

The other classes already use Pirelli.
Apparently Michelin only wanted to to MotoGP and MotoE

[sugilite]

The thing I wonder with michelin, why was it taking so long to develop tyres? I well remember them being able to whip up special tyres for Rossi literally overnight and have them delivered by the race the next day. Now they say things like, the new front will not be released until next year as it is not ready yet. Huh? Has tyre tech vastly changed since those Rossi hey days??????

[F5 Dave]

The other classes already use Pirelli.
Apparently Michelin only wanted to to MotoGP and MotoE

Yes that was my point Dorna (liberty?) Are now beholden to one Italian tyre company. Thats a bigger risk for several scenarios, expense jacking being just one.

Time for IRC or CST (cheng shin) to step up to the plate. That'll slow them down a touch while making them interesting to watch.

[roogazza]

Looks like Ch3 will have Motogp highlights on Sunday sports again this season.
A week after the event but that doesn't bother me.
First GP tomoro ,I'll copy it as usual.

Good coverage of the NZ Open Squash on Sky at the mo if you like that stuff? :yes:

[onearmedbandit]

Looks like Ch3 will have Motogp highlights on Sunday sports again this season.
A week after the event but that doesn't bother me.
First GP tomoro ,I'll copy it as usual.

Good coverage of the NZ Open Squash on Sky at the mo if you like that stuff? :yes:

TV3 on demand has the racing live then also available afterwards to view. You just need to create a free log-in.

[jato]

i watched last weekend live on 3 now and was quickly reminded of how hard it was to listen to those commentators. i'm tempted to buy a video pass to get away from them... real tempted. with a couple kiwi girls in the WCR , a superbike videopass is likely unless the next race or 2 show we have a Ducuti series.
first world problem yes, but we've been spoilt by the racing of years gone by

[onearmedbandit]

I had the pleasure of being able to share a motogp account with a good friend for the past few years, but now they have clamped down on account sharing. I could buy a pass myself but with the free coverage I'm less inclined to do so. I can't control the commentators and how they speak, so I don't let it bother me and just enjoy the racing.

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/michelin-explains-reasons-why-it-has-departed-motogp/ar-AA1AoLYi?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=d1266910578443d980db223a55646f6d&ei=18&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0N9y3MU9ve5wunGVRl0q3C0 mf1nD2jkHXhwKbv2VTtOD8B8Mf28InWmk4_aem_kb5Q37u4hhq Fov8o_S-qNw

So it appears that Dorna wanted a sole supplier.

[SaferRides]

strayed onto the motomundo site ... it seems to tick all the boxes ... is it illegal? (if i use it i'd make a donation)

As already said, not legal but it has been going for a while. They are now using Gofile to host the videos for download or streaming - I'd recommend using that as the quality is great.

I doubt there would be any drama from using Motomundo in NZ, but if you are concerned,, use a VPN or stealth browser as recommended by iYRe.

I'd happily pay NZD 100 or so for Videopass, but with the exchange rate at almost 2:1 against the euro, it's just too expensive.

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[iYRe]

Marc Marquez has spoken openly about the "risks" of racing to former Isle of Man TT riders.Adam Child raced on the Mountain Course for 11 years, finishing in 2018 with a personal best finish of P5.
He interviewed Marquez for The Telegraph about the MotoGP star’s horrific injury history and why he continues to race.
Marc Marquez on MotoGP risks and injuries
“Sometimes I ask myself why I keep going,” Marquez admits.
"But motorbikes are my passion. If you ask me what my hobby is? I answer 'motorbikes'.
“Riding motorbikes is my biggest hobby and it has become my job.
“I am very lucky to have this job and I want to keep going.”
Marquez continued: “When I ride a bike, I take full risks every time because that’s my job.
“When you crash, when you slide on the track, all you think about is how to get the spare bike in the pits.
“Sometimes you understand the crash, sometimes you don’t. But we are not afraid of the crash.
“If you understand the cause of the accident, for example you braked too late, and you know why you had the accident, you can immediately push again.”
Marc Marquez explains his new attitude
The arm injury he suffered in 2020 threatened his career and health.
Marquez returns on an uncompetitive Honda and tries to push the bike beyond its limits.
That resulted in a lot of big crashes and a series of accidents at the 2023 German MotoGP at the Sachsenring. He retired before the grand prix at the circuit he had enjoyed so much.
His move to Gresini Ducati rekindled his passion. He had a competitive bike, and was winning races again. Most importantly, the danger of constant crashes was gone.
This year at the factory Ducati Marquez is one of the two favorites for the 2025 MotoGP championship.
“Last year I did the hardest thing in my career, which was to come back from injury and win again with Gresini.”
Marquez’s more mature approach to risk-taking extends beyond motorcycle racing.
Speaking at Ducati’s season launch in the Italian ski mountains, he said: “When I was 20, I crashed two or three times on skis, trying to go fast.
“But at 31, I realise how much injuries are, how much they can lead to something.
“So I take my time, I take it easy on the skis, and only take risks on the track – which is my job.”

Some quotes from an interview with Adam Child

[pritch]

The thing I wonder with michelin, why was it taking so long to develop tyres? I well remember them being able to whip up special tyres for Rossi literally overnight and have them delivered by the race the next day. Now they say things like, the new front will not be released until next year as it is not ready yet. Huh? Has tyre tech vastly changed since those Rossi hey days??????

The overnight specials had custom compounds. Easy. To fix the current problems a total redesign would be required including a new carcase and maybe different materials.

[pritch]

I had the pleasure of being able to share a motogp account with a good friend for the past few years, but now they have clamped down on account sharing. I could buy a pass myself but with the free coverage I'm less inclined to do so. I can't control the commentators and how they speak, so I don't let it bother me and just enjoy the racing.

I was going to pay for the Video Pass but I thought I'd check the TV3 coverage. The problems I had last year have vanished. If the situation stays the same I'll save my cash.

[iYRe]

The overnight specials had custom compounds. Easy. To fix the current problems a total redesign would be required including a new carcase and maybe different materials.

I was listening to paddock pass and they pointed out that Pirelli will be doing tyres for virtually all classes of motorcycle racing as well as f1, etc, so its going to be a massive logistics exercide. They also pointed out that they will have to design a whole new tyre for motogp, because they had just been using a road based unit for their other classes.

They also had Eugene Laverty on talking about various things... some was interesting and some was.. well, best watch it lol.

[SaferRides]

I was listening to paddock pass and they pointed out that Pirelli will be doing tyres for virtually all classes of motorcycle racing as well as f1, etc, so its going to be a massive logistics exercide. They also pointed out that they will have to design a whole new tyre for motogp, because they had just been using a road based unit for their other classes.

They also had Eugene Laverty on talking about various things... some was interesting and some was.. well, best watch it lol.LoL, I bailed after 10 minutes of Eugene!

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[roogazza]

LoL, I bailed after 10 minutes of Eugene!

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I'm fussy and turn the sound right down, for the pom commentators. But then I miss the engine and race noises !!!!! oh well.... We need guys like Barry Sheene doing commentary ! :yawn:

[SaferRides]

I'm fussy and turn the sound right down, for the pom commentators. But then I miss the engine and race noises !!!!! oh well.... We need guys like Barry Sheene doing commentary ! :yawn:I meant the podcast. One race last year with the TNT commentary was enough for me!

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[sugilite]

The overnight specials had custom compounds. Easy. To fix the current problems a total redesign would be required including a new carcase and maybe different materials.

Thanks for that, I knew there had to have been more to it!

[SaferRides]

Argentina this weekend, possibly for the last time as there may be a race in Brazil next year. There's a good preview on Motomatters which reminded me of the drama-filled 2018 race. The full race is on YouTube::
https://www.youtube.com/live/zWQ4318K4vQ?si=xqLJqgET86nYNUTD

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[iYRe]

Argentina this weekend, possibly for the last time as there may be a race in Brazil next year. There's a good preview on Motomatters which reminded me of the drama-filled 2018 race. The full race is on YouTube::
https://www.youtube.com/live/zWQ4318K4vQ?si=xqLJqgET86nYNUTD

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All the talk is that MM will feck off and lap everyone 5 times... (yeah yeah, my hyperbole :P)

[BMWST?]

All the talk is that MM will feck off and lap everyone 5 times... (yeah yeah, my hyperbole :P)
well he looks good on the Duc,he likes a slippery track nd he hs won there before albeit 6 yrs ago. In theory he is the favourite but we all know that its motgp.

[jato]

tried google for the time of the races but the algorithms were trying a different agenda ... maths worked out 7am sunday morning to watch the sprint - does that sound right? ( no playback on tv3 now)

[sugilite]

tried google for the time of the races but the algorithms were trying a different agenda ... maths worked out 7am sunday morning to watch the sprint - does that sound right? ( no playback on tv3 now)

Heyya, this is the site you need. As each event comes up, it automatically expands to show the timing of each session in nz time (if not, make sure the "your time" tab is highlighted).

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/schedule/2025/

[jato]

thanks for that - roll on tomorrow morning. Interesting to see if Ai ogura does well again

[BMWST?]

interesting results for free practise. MM fastest but three Ducatis and Three Hondas in the top 10. Zarco 2nd fastest Alex M 3rd Bagnai 15th. Track was damp to start with

[onearmedbandit]

tried google for the time of the races but the algorithms were trying a different agenda ... maths worked out 7am sunday morning to watch the sprint - does that sound right? ( no playback on tv3 now)

You don't need a login to go to the motogp.com calendar to see local timings. Yeah it would be great if TV3 on demand had slightly delayed playback but they do after the race weekend is done.


https://www.motogp.com/en/calendar?view=grid

[Warr]

The stars are all aligned for 93 so far.
Argentina. Pole & Sprint win so far ..
Commentators trying to tell you Alex has a chance at passing his brother ROTFL !!!

[iYRe]

The stars are all aligned for 93 so far.
Argentina. Pole & Sprint win so far ..
Commentators trying to tell you Alex has a chance at passing his brother ROTFL !!!

Well, he was 0.3 most of the way through the race, till he decided he couldnt push any further.

[jato]

Is it too early to say Honda are on their way back? near the end of the sprint race Zarco was the fastest on track... i'd like to know the details of the changes to the "dog" of the last few years - possibly something very subtle...

[BMWST?]

The only common thing said is the bike is now more user friendly. It seems it is the slowest.Zarco was one of the slowest through the speed trap. Mir made it through to Q2 coming through with Morbidelli. He starts from 10th

[iYRe]

Zarco did good in the GP, Ogura did a big booboo.

Alex M looked really fast, but I guess big bro was just playing with him too.

Dunno what is up with Pecco.. holding on to 4th..

[onearmedbandit]

Ogura's team, not Ogura.