How resilient are the new safety camera trailers?

[jellywrestler]

New trailers out there, won't belong before someone takes aim at one, or sets out to destroy a lot in one hit, of course there will be supervision cameras worth thousands in the, but balaclavas are pretty cheap too.
Whose gonna be first to deal to one?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Call them what they are: Surveillance and Revenue Collection cameras. "Safety" is Orwellian doublethink.

In an unrelated thought, it is cocktail night tonight and I am very partial to the ones prepared by my favourite bartender, Vyacheslav Molotov. He's a recent immigrant from Russia, of all places.

[roogazza]

I got a notice a few weeks ago . 65 in a 50 zone In Palmy Nth. Pioneer Highway.
It said this is not an infringement notice. All in the name of safety !!!!! pffft.:sweatdrop:yes::yawn:

[pzkpfw]

Call them what they are: Surveillance and Revenue Collection cameras. "Safety" is Orwellian doublethink.

In an unrelated thought, it is cocktail night tonight and I am very partial to the ones prepared by my favourite bartender, Vyacheslav Molotov. He's a recent immigrant from Russia, of all places.

"Surveillance And Fee Extraction, Thank You"

[R650R]

With the state of driving in this country it won’t be long before the target audience actually drives into one. Dont think an unattended trailer chassis with new tyres and set of batteries would last long before being rehomed in rural area.
I think they will be redundant in a few years anyway. Digital IDs and digital driver licenses will be mandatory by 2030 I reckon and include auto enforcement just like how your satnav beeps at you for speeding.

[BMWST?]

With the state of driving in this country it won’t be long before the target audience actually drives into one. Dont think an unattended trailer chassis with new tyres and set of batteries would last long before being rehomed in rural area.
I think they will be redundant in a few years anyway. Digital IDs and digital driver licenses will be mandatory by 2030 I reckon and include auto enforcement just like how your satnav beeps at you for speeding.

And self reporting cars. Some may only be decoys.Remember the paper police cars?

[Berries]

With the state of driving in this country it won’t be long before the target audience actually drives into one.
Not helped by parking for hours in areas where if it was a contractors vehicle it would need cones, signs and flashing lights and if it was a skip permission would simply be refused. Will be interesting to see what does happen when someone inevitably ploughs into one.

worksafe.govt.nz/safety-boost-for-police-speed-camera-operators/ (https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/about-us/news-and-media/safety-boost-for-police-speed-camera-operators/)

[JimO]

they should have indicate properly at roundabouts cameras

[jellywrestler]

they should have indicate properly at roundabouts cameras

it's quite a challenge using a cell phone and trying to indicate.

[JimO]

it's quite a challenge using a cell phone and trying to indicate.

Especially if your juggling a hot pie

[HenryDorsetCase]

it's quite a challenge using a cell phone and trying to indicate.

While eating a pie and knee steering. Thank goodness for the safety benefits of hands free phone connectivity

[F5 Dave]

My knees don't reach the handlebars:wacko:

Thank goodness for flip front helmets so you don't get gravy on your chinbar eating that pie while keeping it and the can of V from falling off the tank with your elbows. :shutup:

[rambaldi]

My knees don't reach the handlebars:wacko:

Thank goodness for flip front helmets so you don't get gravy on your chinbar eating that pie while keeping it and the can of V from falling off the tank with your elbows. :shutup:

I have an adventure bike for a reason thank you very much. Its starbucks and its in a ram mount (https://www.mounts.net.nz/products/ram-b-132ru-handlebar-rail-mount-with-u-bolt-base-drink-holder-koozie?variant=8127276384365&country=NZ&currency=NZD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic)

[rastuscat]

Voluntary Donation Cameras

Don't wanna donate, don't (insert law broken here).

Yeah, I get it, there's views different to mine, and that's okay.

[SaferRides]

Not helped by parking for hours in areas where if it was a contractors vehicle it would need cones, signs and flashing lights and if it was a skip permission would simply be refused. Will be interesting to see what does happen when someone inevitably ploughs into one.

worksafe.govt.nz/safety-boost-for-police-speed-camera-operators/ (https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/about-us/news-and-media/safety-boost-for-police-speed-camera-operators/)The police have been even worse, but to be fair, it's a while since I've seen a police car stopped on a motorway shoulder at 90° to the traffic just after an exit. Maybe they learnt something from the speed camera van incident.

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[rastuscat]

The focus is clearly on how people get caught.

This is a self-defence mechanism used by those seeking to divert attention from the fact that they got caught.

All this discussion about how people get caught rather than that fact that they got caught is spurious.

If people didn't exceed speed limits, there would be no speed cameras.

So there.

[F5 Dave]

With all due respect. Fuk off.

[rastuscat]

With all due respect. Fuk off.

Love your work :)

[jellywrestler]

So there.

are you a six year old?

[rastuscat]

are you a six year old?

Just turned 60. Growing old is mandatory. Not so, growing up.

[Gremlin]

The police have been even worse, but to be fair, it's a while since I've seen a police car stopped on a motorway shoulder at 90° to the traffic just after an exit. Maybe they learnt something from the speed camera van incident.
Saw a cop car 90° just before the Takanini exit (so not after) northbound last weekend, if it helps.

[SaferRides]

Saw a cop car 90° just before the Takanini exit (so not after) northbound last weekend, if it helps.Before the exit is probably even worse! I used to see a cop car parked on the side of the SW motorway, just over the brow of a rise so you couldn't see it. But they converted the shoulder to a bus only lane which stopped that.

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[HenryDorsetCase]

Maybe they learnt something from the speed camera van incident.

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ooooops found this which is presumably what you are talking about (better search terms yield better results!)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350186508/police-speed-camera-operator-smashed-high-speed-crash-set-reparations

my favourite parts are:


WorkSafe’s charges against police have been discontinued.


and


Jevon McSkimming said the safety of the community is at the heart of everything the force does.



The crash happened in 2021.

I still think that speed limits are guidelines for the weak minded. Drive to your ability and to the conditions, it ain't (or should not be) difficult.


Here is a small video of my favourite racing car to cheer you all up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCVGLNbH3OQ

[jellywrestler]

ooooops found this which is presumably what you are talking about (better search terms yield better results!)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350186508/police-speed-camera-operator-smashed-high-speed-crash-set-reparations

my favourite parts are:




and





The crash happened in 2021.

I still think that speed limits are guidelines for the weak minded. Drive to your ability and to the conditions, it ain't (or should not be) difficult.


Here is a small video of my favourite racing car to cheer you all up.

it was parked well off to one side i seem to recall, the hit could have been deliberate, or a medical event. cell phone distraction etc

[F5 Dave]

Well i don't know much about cars but that is brilliant. All cars on the road should be like that!

[BMWST?]

it was parked well off to one side i seem to recall, the hit could have been deliberate, or a medical event. cell phone distraction etc
if i have the spot located correctly it looks like it is a motorway.Why was it parked on a motorway. Google maps decribe it as a motorway

[R650R]

The focus is clearly on how people get caught.

This is a self-defence mechanism used by those seeking to divert attention from the fact that they got caught.

All this discussion about how people get caught rather than that fact that they got caught is spurious.

If people didn't exceed speed limits, there would be no speed cameras.

So there.

Just wait till we get all the other new technology being rolled out in other countries. An Australian driver just got done for smoking meth pipe, the camera only took a photo because he wasnt wearing seat belt.
When mandatory digital ids and phone trackers come out we’ll look back with nostalgic envy at these easier times when one could just roll off the throttle at likely enforcement locations then floor it again.

[R650R]

I still think that speed limits are guidelines for the weak minded. Drive to your ability and to the conditions, it ain't (or should not be) difficult.



There’s thousands of hours of Motorsport footage that shows driving to one’s ability and conditions without crashing ain’t at all that easy even in a controlled environment. And tragically it still involves death and serious injury.
In workshop we,ve all used a tool outside its design purpose at some stage and thought oh this is dodgy I could lose body parts here better be careful and had a safe outcome because we admitted the danger and took care.
Ones own ability means little when confronted with someone else’s lack of ability in inverse proportions at a rapid closing distance.

[SaferRides]

ooooops found this which is presumably what you are talking about (better search terms yield better results!)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350186508/police-speed-camera-operator-smashed-high-speed-crash-set-reparations

Yes, that's the one.

The newer motorways and the ones with upgraded barriers on the side have protected parking bays every 0.5 km or so. It was good to see a cop using one last weekend maybe they are taking this seriously? Four years later though.

A footnote to this, I ran out of petrol on the motorway a while ago. The person at the AA said they treat breakdowns on the motorway as an emergency because of the danger, and there was someone there in 15 minutes.

I stopped as far to the left as I could and waited behind the Armco.



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[rastuscat]

Yes, that's the one.

The newer motorways and the ones with upgraded barriers on the side have protected parking bays every 0.5 km or so. It was good to see a cop using one last weekend maybe they are taking this seriously? Four years later though.

A footnote to this, I ran out of petrol on the motorway a while ago. The person at the AA said they treat breakdowns on the motorway as an emergency because of the danger, and there was someone there in 15 minutes.

I stopped as far to the left as I could and waited behind the Armco.



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Motorways are awful places when you are at the side one of one, outside a vehicle.

100 kmh doesn't feel very fast when you are travelling in a car, but holy cow, 100 kmh is very fast when you are stationary on the side of a road and cars are going past at 100 kmh.

I worked on the Ak Motorways Group back in the 90's, scared the hell out of me.

Certainly a place for excessive caution.

[Gremlin]

A footnote to this, I ran out of petrol on the motorway a while ago. The person at the AA said they treat breakdowns on the motorway as an emergency because of the danger, and there was someone there in 15 minutes.

I stopped as far to the left as I could and waited behind the Armco.
When my bike lied about remaining range and ran out, I call the AA. Struggling to hear the call taker against the vehicles I asked the call taker to speak up... She asked if I could go somewhere quieter... :wacko:

But yes, the fuel arrived shortly after...

[SaferRides]

When my bike lied about remaining range and ran out, I call the AA. Struggling to hear the call taker against the vehicles I asked the call taker to speak up... She asked if I could go somewhere quieter... :wacko:

But yes, the fuel arrived shortly after...My bike isn't that sophisticated, it only tells you how far since the low fuel warning. It will normally do 50 kms, but not that day!

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[Berries]

if i have the spot located correctly it looks like it is a motorway.Why was it parked on a motorway.
Because that is where people exceed the speed limit, sorry, safety limit.

Even though the road may have a 120km/h design speed, be median divided and have the occasional merge lane rather than an intersection. Attractive if you need to write a few tickets or want to impress the higher ups. Much the same as sitting in a passing lane 2m from the live lane pissing everyone off and causing a huge risk to other road users.

[BMWST?]

Motorways are awful places when you are at the side one of one, outside a vehicle.

100 kmh doesn't feel very fast when you are travelling in a car, but holy cow, 100 kmh is very fast when you are stationary on the side of a road and cars are going past at 100 kmh.

I worked on the Ak Motorways Group back in the 90's, scared the hell out of me.

Certainly a place for excessive caution.

yes. if you are standing on the side of a footpath and people walk past they go past you quite fast. Thats only 5 km hr different. Its the same as if you doing 220 and your mte goes past at 225....seems quite fast.
so yes 100km hr is fast

[JimO]

just driven ChCh to Dunedin ,cop with his radar on sitting right at the end of a passing lane in a bit of a dip, prime spot for safety tickets

on friday drove Oamarama, Tekapo, Fairlie, Geraldine, ChCh 3 out of every 4 cars was asian tourists in toyota highlanders, mitsi outlanders etc, mostly traveling between 60ks and 110ks (usually at the same time) braking at every corner and everytime a oncoming car appears ....no cops though

[rastuscat]

just driven ChCh to Dunedin ,cop with his radar on sitting right at the end of a passing lane in a bit of a dip, prime spot for safety tickets

on friday drove Oamarama, Tekapo, Fairlie, Geraldine, ChCh 3 out of every 4 cars was asian tourists in toyota highlanders, mitsi outlanders etc, mostly traveling between 60ks and 110ks (usually at the same time) braking at every corner and everytime a oncoming car appears ....no cops though

Foreign drivers account for approximately 5% of crashes. Which means that 95% are caused by locals.

It's really easy to single out foreign drivers, and I get it. Some districts have a higher proportion of such drivers, so have a larger problem with them e.g. Mackenzie District.

It's really easy to demonise statistics. Like, 2% of drivers are foreign drivers, yet 5% of crashes involve foreign drivers.

A sensationalist could write these headlines.........."TOURISTS 2.5 TIME MORE LIKELY TO KILL KIWIS" or "TOURISTS OVER-REPRESENTED IN CRASH STATS".

Both of which are true, but fail to mention that locals cause 95% of crashes.

Let's be real about what the real problem is.

[R650R]

Foreign drivers account for approximately 5% of crashes. Which means that 95% are caused by locals.

It's really easy to single out foreign drivers, and I get it. Some districts have a higher proportion of such drivers, so have a larger problem with them e.g. Mackenzie District.

It's really easy to demonise statistics. Like, 2% of drivers are foreign drivers, yet 5% of crashes involve foreign drivers.

A sensationalist could write these headlines.........."TOURISTS 2.5 TIME MORE LIKELY TO KILL KIWIS" or "TOURISTS OVER-REPRESENTED IN CRASH STATS".

Both of which are true, but fail to mention that locals cause 95% of crashes.

Let's be real about what the real problem is.

And those 5% should really be added into the pool of crashes caused by fatigue as a msssive portion of those are prob the classic just gotten off plane and tired. The fact they are non resident is a side issue.
Your right though 95% of crashes are caused by people who have been trained in nz conditions and have full easy access to knowledge about known accidents t black spots and likely driving conditions.

Approximately 29% of New Zealand's population were immigrants as of 2023, with a significant portion of these being temporary migrants rather than permanent residents,

AI Google of visitor numbers says;

There were an average of approximately 310,000 overseas visitor arrivals per month in New Zealand during the four weeks ending September 7, 2025, with the total number of visitors at any one time being a fraction of this, depending on the length of their stay. For example, monthly data for July 2025 shows 203,420 overseas visitor arrivals, which is a snapshot of the total arrivals in a given month, not the actual number of visitors present at any single moment.

If 203,420 visitors arrive in July and stay for an average of two weeks, then at any given time during July, there would be about 101,710 visitors in the country at that moment, excluding those who arrived and departed within the same month

So roughly 2% of population at any given time are 5% of accidents thatÂ’s not too bad given unfamiliarity with local hazards and being jet lagged etc

[SaferRides]

Saw a cop car 90° just before the Takanini exit (so not after) northbound last weekend, if it helps.Saw one on the SW tonight parked at 90° across where the Armco on an exit and motorway join. And at night - at least he was in a while car.

Is this just an Auckland thing?



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[JimO]

Foreign drivers account for approximately 5% of crashes. Which means that 95% are caused by locals.

It's really easy to single out foreign drivers, and I get it. Some districts have a higher proportion of such drivers, so have a larger problem with them e.g. Mackenzie District.

It's really easy to demonise statistics. Like, 2% of drivers are foreign drivers, yet 5% of crashes involve foreign drivers.

A sensationalist could write these headlines.........."TOURISTS 2.5 TIME MORE LIKELY TO KILL KIWIS" or "TOURISTS OVER-REPRESENTED IN CRASH STATS".

Both of which are true, but fail to mention that locals cause 95% of crashes.

Let's be real about what the real problem is.

the real problem on that day was a large contingent of asian tourists driving rental SUVs badly, speeding up then slowing to 70ks on every corner constantly crossing the centre line etc and no rozzers anywhere

[nerrrd]

Saw one on the SW tonight parked at 90° across where the Armco on an exit and motorway join. And at night - at least he was in a while car.

Is this just an Auckland thing?



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Same today on the south westwern, police car parked broadside at the point where the armco splits for an off ramp. Maximising visibility?

[SaferRides]

Same today on the south westwern, police car parked broadside at the point where the armco splits for an off ramp. Maximising visibility?It's so they can stay in the car while using LIDAR.

I might start pulling over and taking photos. It is just beyond ridiculous that they continue to do this.

I saw 2 cops on the NW this morning, which is unusual. It there's one motorway in Auckland where you see some pretty random driving, the NW is it.

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[neels]

Spotted one of the new camera trailers over the weekend, has cctv on all sides so you'd have to be well disguised if you were approaching for nefarious purposes......

[jellywrestler]

Spotted one of the new camera trailers over the weekend, has cctv on all sides so you'd have to be well disguised if you were approaching for nefarious purposes......

google balaclava and molotov cocktail and stolen plates

[rastuscat]

google balaclava and molotov cocktail and stolen plates

You realise this is a public forum, right? Inciting that sort of thing isn't too smart.

[pritch]

You realise this is a public forum, right? Inciting that sort of thing isn't too smart.

I'm not sure that qualifies as incitement. I had it filed as a joke. There are video clips showing how people in Britain treated trailers when they first appeared there. An online training programme of sorts.

[sugilite]

The gubbermant put on these mobile bbq's so motorists can stop for a safety rest and a snag, and still the people moan :no:

[SaferRides]

I'm not sure that qualifies as incitement. I had it filed as a joke. There are video clips showing how people in Britain treated trailers when they first appeared there. An online training programme of sorts.I'm sure there's locations where they are likely to be molested. Time will tell...

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[R650R]

You realise this is a public forum, right? Inciting that sort of thing isn't too smart.

Little do people realise the power of technology or what tools our leaders have in store for future….

This vid is ten years old and you can see we are headed now towards what he speaks of.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ufCT6lQcY&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

[SaferRides]

I saw one yesterday in a stopping bay on the motorway.

I couldn't see a backwards facing camera, so nothing to worry about on a motorbike. Unless they're used on two lane roads, but they are Really Obvious. Or is that deliberate?

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[tigertim20]

Saw an article in the last few days about a group of vigilantes calling themselves 'BladeRunners" destroying every ULEZ camera they can find - seems like their activities are acheiving the goal quite effectively.
I'll leave you to make your own judgements on their actions.

But cameras on trailers now, and a goal to move to an essentially mandatory digital tracking of all vehicles for the near future frankly seems like a pretty scary set of ideas for what is supposed to be a fairly 'free' society.

[R650R]

Saw an article in the last few days about a group of vigilantes calling themselves 'BladeRunners" destroying every ULEZ camera they can find - seems like their activities are acheiving the goal quite effectively.
I'll leave you to make your own judgements on their actions.

But cameras on trailers now, and a goal to move to an essentially mandatory digital tracking of all vehicles for the near future frankly seems like a pretty scary set of ideas for what is supposed to be a fairly 'free' society.

And conspiracy theorists are like “I told you so”…. News flash it doesn’t stop at vehicles thats just the start.

You’ll still be free to travel to your job to pay taxes so you don’t go to jail, you’ll still be free four weeks every year as an illusion of freedom.

We’re all still working on the plantation, it’s just that our owners expanded and tricked us into paying for our own accomodation/travel/food, that’s pure genius.

[SaferRides]

Checkpoint Watch on FB has updates on locations in Auckland. All on motorways so far.

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[R650R]

Well after all the fanfare I’ve still not seen in wild yet.

Have however nearly been done by real patrol cars couple times lately, I think that is still bigger worry.