are TlR too overpriced?

[soundbeltfarm]

im sick of saving my money for my future and decided im getting an upgrade ,
leaning towards a TLR because well i think they are the shizz.
but is the difference between the TLS and the R worth the extra money you have to pay to get an R ?
is part of it because supply and demand?
see heaps of TLS for sale but not as many TLR out there.

cheers.
hey sensei do you know who owned the TLR in N.P Motorcycles?

[DemonWolf]

hmmmm.. TLR.. nice choice =)

Whats wrong with a TLs ? Must admit.. the full fairing on the TLR is very sexy =)

[DMNTD]

Slightly bias too maybe eh? Hehehe! :whistle:
I reckon it is a personal preference thing mate. I like the TLs-others perfer the R.
Your bike...your choice. Either way you're gonna love it! :niceone:

[shadow]

im not sure about the tlr but it does matter what year tls you get i think the 97 98 had the best power. take both for a ride they seem to be quite differant. as for if its worth the coin what would you be most happy with in your garage,lounge? cool motor :headbang:

[DMNTD]

im not sure about the tlr but it does matter what year tls you get i think the 97 98 had the best power. take both for a ride they seem to be quite differant. as for if its worth the coin what would you be most happy with in your garage,lounge? cool motor :headbang:

The '97 has the "better" power for sure. A raw grunt as opposed to the smoother deliverence and more mid range of the later ones.
Easy sorted if ya swap for an older chip though.

[DMNTD]

Well fuck me, there just hapens to be one for sale here http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=38606471

I tell you mate, it goes bloody well and sounds the bizzo.
And its the same price as those under powered lame tls's....:whistle:

LOL....don't listen to him :nono: :Pokey: :bash:
Too much extra "baggage" to be dragging around anyway on them thar things!
I got mine for $8500 and it be the ducks nuts...well ya get my drift :blink:

[FzerozeroT]

was going to say something witty/nasty about "wife told me to sell" but it'd just come out wrong, A TLR is on the horizon for me, has been ever since I asked you about yours 9 months ago! I want a TLR coz they are cool, the fairing with those ducts looks like a superbike should, and I can't see them dropping in price too severely as they are a limited commodity, the only alternatives are VTR and SV's but the TL's are a "bad boy" bike ;)

[DemonWolf]

Still got those fines to pay eh??? What ya gonna do this friday if it doesnt sell mate?

[DemonWolf]

hmmm... re-reading FzerozeroT post... looks like ya might have a taker eh?

hmm.. well actually I might just get back to doing some work now... confusing myself enough as it is.. without all this other confusing stuff... haha.. sorry for the rantless mumbojumbo rant

[DemonWolf]

and while I'm on this mumbojumbo rant stuff... I'm wondering if I should tell Head Office whom have blocked www.trademe.co.nz that there is the australian mirror (which I cant seem to recall).. and the www.trademe.net.nz still getting through the firewall... Talk about only doing a partial job. Sheeesh

Edit: Sorry for the hijacking.. Now back to Tillers! Bloody awesome sounding bike. Can't speak for the TLR but the TLs is bloody fantastic to ride... loverly! :headbang:

[DemonWolf]

I'm too much of a Nana.. I haven't found the limits of the TLs yet.. so I doubt I'd even get near those limits of a TLR...

Actually didn't think there that many differences in Engine Spec's of TLR or TLS.. though I must admit I only had a looksee at the TLS when I was eye'ing my one up to buy... haha... might be a interesting read..

[DMNTD]

Just imagine your "s" going as hard as you can..... then find you have another gear to go...welcome to a TLR:headbang:

:Pokey: *cough cough* bollix!

[TLDV8]

im sick of saving my money for my future and decided im getting an upgrade ,
leaning towards a TLR because well i think they are the shizz.
but is the difference between the TLS and the R worth the extra money you have to pay to get an R ?
is part of it because supply and demand?
see heaps of TLS for sale but not as many TLR out there.

Depends..TLS's go from around $7500 to $11000..TLR's from $10000 to $14000.... RRP on the TLS was around $16000 but there were deals for around $14500..TLR RRP i think was around $19000... either way if you buy one with stock suspension you are up for more money..TLS Ohlin's around $1450..TLR Ohlin's around $1700..etc...as far as the differences with the TLS,the 97 has a tiny output bearing that is known to fail,the shoulder on the output shaft is narrower to match..the 97 has the F00 ECU (most have been replaced) combined with the coolant temp sender in the radiator so it gets a low reading which then tells the ECU to run the start map most of the time (80C or lower),which is good for putting fuel in the sump...97 has bigger inlet ports..97 has no real case venting,98 got it..98 got the bigger output shaft and bearing,smaller inlet ports and different top triple clamp to take a steering damper..5 spring clutch and narrow oil pump on both the 97 and 98 S..99 TLS got the 6 spring clutch and wider oil pump (TLR spec)...difference as far as TLR and S engine overall... clutch,oil pump,sump baffle plate,inlet cams,compression ratio,forged pistons,twin injector TB's set at a flatter angle via different inlet manifolds and ECU to match,twin oil feed to the crankshaft,lighter conrods,stronger engine cases with different oil galleries,different oil filter mounting with water jacket..98 to 03 TLR is the same bike with different stickers/decals.........

[DMNTD]

Well ummmmmmmmm... :mellow:
What he said but opposite (his version may have more truth...maybe):whistle:
Y'get what you pay for essentially. :niceone:

[WINJA]

im sick of saving my money for my future and decided im getting an upgrade ,
leaning towards a TLR because well i think they are the shizz.
but is the difference between the TLS and the R worth the extra money you have to pay to get an R ?
is part of it because supply and demand?
see heaps of TLS for sale but not as many TLR out there.

cheers.
hey sensei do you know who owned the TLR in N.P Motorcycles?
GET THE TLR , ITS A GREAT LOOKING BIKE THAT WILL HOLD IT VALUE AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE CLASSIC WITH A CULT FOLLOWING ,IVE COPPED A LOT OF SHIT FOR THAT OPINON, AS FOR THE TLS ITS JUST COMMON LIKE MY GIXXER

[loosebruce]

No shit from me WINJA, the TLR is a farking cool bike and the only reason i got an S both times is the extra money the R cost. Noone has ever let me loose on an R but i cant imagine a hell of alot of differnce, and the styling of the R is along the same as the ZX7R, just a damn good looking bike, TLS are a good aggresive looking bike too, looping them at near on 200kph doesnt do much for the styling though.

If you can afford it buy the R, but if you like the S i dont think there'd be much disspointment at all.

[saul]

Mate the TLR is just tooooo fat, it needs the extra couple of HP just to get that beast of the line :bleh:

All joking aside each to his own. I have had two 1997 TL's and loved them both but a TLR is not for me. :eyepoke: :nono:

[soundbeltfarm]

with the difference in the engine of the R and the S is there any sound difference?
if they had the same pipes on.

[loosebruce]

nah no sound diff, they say that the TLS has more midrange punch, but the R carries more top end punch, so they say, but really it all comes down to the rider when you're talking 6-7bhp top end or whatever it is, in theroy the R is more aerodynamic, higher top speed acheived, in theroy.
They sound the bizzo with pipes on thats for sure.

[MOTOXXX]

ill let ya have a go on my tlr if i can ride ya gixxer :headbang:



No shit from me WINJA, the TLR is a farking cool bike and the only reason i got an S both times is the extra money the R cost. Noone has ever let me loose on an R but i cant imagine a hell of alot of differnce, and the styling of the R is along the same as the ZX7R, just a damn good looking bike, TLS are a good aggresive looking bike too, looping them at near on 200kph doesnt do much for the styling though.

If you can afford it buy the R, but if you like the S i dont think there'd be much disspointment at all.

[TLDV8]

with the difference in the engine of the R and the S is there any sound difference?
if they had the same pipes on.

They sound the same to me..The TLR might be a better bet as a starting point for mods since they may have a better chassis ?...

[WINJA]

ill let ya have a go on my tlr if i can ride ya gixxer :headbang:
OK , AS LONG AS YOU DONT CRASH IT

[TLDV8]

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[saul]

The sentinal strikes again :banana: :banana:

[inlinefour]

im sick of saving my money for my future and decided im getting an upgrade ,
leaning towards a TLR because well i think they are the shizz.
but is the difference between the TLS and the R worth the extra money you have to pay to get an R ?
is part of it because supply and demand?
see heaps of TLS for sale but not as many TLR out there.

cheers.
hey sensei do you know who owned the TLR in N.P Motorcycles?

Get the bike that you want. I got plenty of advice from others who felt the need to tell me what I should get, in their opinion. Looking at SpeedMedic's bike, they look like total rice rockets. If thats your thing then you should definitely get one, I'd be going to talk to SM as I believe its for sale. :argh:

[cowpoos]

Well fuck me, there just hapens to be one for sale here http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=38606471

I tell you mate, it goes bloody well and sounds the bizzo.
And its the same price as those under powered lame tls's....:whistle:

topspeed wise the tlr is definatly faster...acceleration...I dunno...pretty similar...at manfield motoxxx [on his rather tidy tlr] was riding along the front straight...and he wasn't pulling away at all...was rather static...

but the tlr is a fat lard...tls is more nimble... but its personal prefference at the end of the day...

[cowpoos]

Depends..TLS's go from around $7500 to $11000..TLR's from $10000 to $14000.... RRP on the TLS was around $16000 but there were deals for around $14500..TLR RRP i think was around $19000... either way if you buy one with stock suspension you are up for more money..TLS Ohlin's around $1450..TLR Ohlin's around $1700..etc...as far as the differences with the TLS,the 97 has a tiny output bearing that is known to fail,the shoulder on the output shaft is narrower to match..the 97 has the F00 ECU (most have been replaced) combined with the coolant temp sender in the radiator so it gets a low reading which then tells the ECU to run the start map most of the time (80C or lower),which is good for putting fuel in the sump...97 has bigger inlet ports..97 has no real case venting,98 got it..98 got the bigger output shaft and bearing,smaller inlet ports and different top triple clamp to take a steering damper..5 spring clutch and narrow oil pump on both the 97 and 98 S..99 TLS got the 6 spring clutch and wider oil pump (TLR spec)...difference as far as TLR and S engine overall... clutch,oil pump,sump baffle plate,inlet cams,compression ratio,forged pistons,twin injector TB's set at a flatter angle via different inlet manifolds and ECU to match,twin oil feed to the crankshaft,lighter conrods,stronger engine cases with different oil galleries,different oil filter mounting with water jacket..98 to 03 TLR is the same bike with different stickers/decals.........

ohlins for tls is $1256
full fork revalve [traxxion dynamics valves] ,spring and rebuild $950

[Mooch]

im sick of saving my money for my future and decided im getting an upgrade ,
leaning towards a TLR because well i think they are the shizz.
but is the difference between the TLS and the R worth the extra money you have to pay to get an R ?
is part of it because supply and demand?
see heaps of TLS for sale but not as many TLR out there.

cheers.
hey sensei do you know who owned the TLR in N.P Motorcycles?

Take them both for a ride before deciding. I was going to by a TLR1000 new a few years back , had decided on colour , mods , pipes etc . Went down to the local dealer and rode the test bike. The bike I rode only had 60km on it so wasn't run in, think it was a 1997/8 model. What I found with the TLR was that the FI was somewhat jerky at low speed and cornering required considerable effort / input from rider.IE , to much gas and the bike wanted to stand up and go straight ahead , the same would happen with engine breaking through a corner. They are a heavy feeling bike with lots of forward weight. The engine however was great , so much torque that changing gear isn't required, sounded great , brakes were good as well. Based on the cornering I decided not to buy one , but bearing in mind I'd had a KR1 2 stroke before that which cornered very well. If I was to get a TL S/R I'd go down the ohilins route which would should sort the cornering.

[mudrat]

FYI, A mate of mine had a '97 (or '98, can't remember) NZ new TLS he owned from new, they had a design fault in their frame, they would crack around the rear damper upper mounting bolts, wasn't just his he knew of a few it happened to. Suzi Aussie did a full recall, Suzi NZ denied the problem, but did patchup bracing of some sort on them after they broke.
He was fighting them for a few years over it, I lost contact with him before I found out if he ever got it resolved. This issue aside, he loved all other aspects of the bike.

Note: I can't remember whether his was a '97 or '98, but I do remember they relocated the temp sensor on all of the bikes of that year during one of it's first services, someone may remember which year this was done to.
I know the '99 model didn't have the same frame fault.
Also, I don't know if the '97 or '98 ex-Japan 2nd hand imports were recalled in Japan, but being Japan I would bet they were, so they should be ok.

This is secondhand information, so take it as you please.

Personal opinion on the model to choose: Even tho the TLS has a better power to weight ratio, the TLR's are sexier.

Cheers

[TLDV8]

ohlins for tls is $1256
full fork revalve [traxxion dynamics valves] ,spring and rebuild $950


F@#K Traxxion (imo)..as for the Ohlins,it way overdue for them to get real with the pricing..the going rate for a TLS Ohlins used to be $1448/1478 (when i bought one)... this was when the exchange rate was poor,even though it changed drastically the price was left hiked up..to the tune when the TLR Ohlins was around $1770 (i asked) i then got one off Calsportbike in California for around $1300 or less,that included GST and priority freight (the expensive option).

[cowpoos]

F@#K Traxxion (imo)..as for the Ohlins,it way overdue for them to get real with the pricing..the going rate for a TLS Ohlins used to be $1448/1478 (when i bought one)... this was when the exchange rate was poor,even though it changed drastically the price was left hiked up..to the tune when the TLR Ohlins was around $1770 (i asked) i then got one off Calsportbike in California for around $1300 or less,that included GST and priority freight (the expensive option).

traxxion valves seem to be a huge advance on the standard ones tldv8...?
I swear by them....though i havn't used the race-tech version...

[TLDV8]

traxxion valves seem to be a huge advance on the standard ones tldv8...?
I swear by them....though i havn't used the race-tech version...

That may be true but they are a pain to deal with from my own experiance...i found it much easier to mail Todd at Calsportbike and get him to send me 1kg/mm Racetech springs and Goldvalves for the GSXR forks....I still need to spend some time setting it up better,but every time i go out for a short ride to do that i end up doing 100's of k's instead and thinking next time...there have been lots of next times. :scooter: ...As far as the thread goes,its been said..go and ride one or the other,you either like it or not..in saying that, TL's are quite different to the usual cookie cutter bikes..they are fun but far from perfect.. imho

[cowpoos]

That may be true but they are a pain to deal with from my own experiance...i found it much easier to mail Todd at Calsportbike and get him to send me 1kg/mm Racetech springs and Goldvalves for the GSXR forks....I still need to spend some time setting it up better,but every time i go out for a short ride to do that i end up doing 100's of k's instead and thinking next time...there have been lots of next times. :scooter: ...As far as the thread goes,its been said..go and ride one or the other,you either like it or not..in saying that, TL's are quite different to the usual cookie cutter bikes..they are fun but far from perfect.. imho

I had robert taylor [mr ohlins] do all the work for me...labour was included in the price of the fork rebuild....