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Beemer
18th November 2005, 09:32
This was in the news today - must say I'd be quite pleased if people couldn't find out where we lived by checking the register after noting our licence plate details:

Thieves track cars on vehicle register
18 November 2005
By KIM RUSCOE

Stalkers, car thieves and road-rage motorists are tracking their victims through the motor vehicles register, sparking moves to have it closed to the public.


More than eight million vehicle owner records were provided to the public in the 2004-2005 year, each for a $2.25 charge. The register is owned by the Transport Ministry and administered by government agency Land Transport New Zealand.

A briefing paper issued to new Transport Minister David Parker said direct marketers were the biggest users of the register. One company downloaded the records of 250,000 owners each month.

The names were then used to compile mailing lists for advertising or market research.

"Many people resent the fact that personal details which they are compelled by law to provide are made available for commercial purposes," the paper said.

The register had also been used by car thieves and stalkers to track people or trace vehicles.

"Angry motorists, in the aftermath of a road-rage incident, have used the register to trace the driver of the other vehicle involved in the incident."

Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven, Privacy Commissioner Marie Shroff and the ERegistrar of motor Vehicles had all received complaints, the paper said.

Transport officials are drafting a Cabinet paper that would stem abuse of the system, including protecting against the disclosure of vehicle owners' personal information.

Ms Shroff had called for a ban on issuing personal information from public registers for commercial purposes.

Land Transport spokesman Andy Knackstedt said he had heard of one case in which a man saw an attractive woman drive past in her car, noted her registration number and tracked down her name and address through the register.

He stressed that Land Transport was not selling personal information. "But when someone applies for it and pays for it, the law requires us to give it to them."

Transport Ministry spokeswoman Sharon Stephenson said any person who quoted a number plate of a vehicle and paid a small fee could get, from any Post Shop, the name and address of the registered owner of the motor vehicle.

There was no restriction on the purpose for which the information could be used.

Wellington crime services manager Detective Inspector Harry Quinn said vehicle owners who believed they were being stalked could arrange to have their personal details protected.

"It's quite a common process out of the Family Court. Mum doesn't want her former husband tracking her or her kids," he said.

But there were many other databases that could be used to find people.

"Everyone has the right to find someone," Mr Quinn said. "If you're a finance company you need to be able to find your car if someone is not paying the bills on it."

Organised crime groups aiming at high-value and specialty vehicles were known to have used the register to pick vehicles in the past, he said.

The ministry's proposal to provide protection of vehicle owners' personal details would be put to the Cabinet in the new year.

The briefing paper said access to the register by insurance companies pursuing claims and by lawyers involved in civil claims was beneficial and could be retained. Provision was also made for advising owners of manufacturers' safety recalls.

Waylander
18th November 2005, 09:39
It does have some good points to it though. For instsnce, Ms.Pillion has an ex. Every now and then he comes and takes Amber (her 5 year old daughter, very cute) for a few days. He is the kind of guy that one day may decide not to bring her back. Ms.Pillion has no idea where he lives becouse he nor anyone in his family will tell her.(they are all a bunch of dicks that think she is the source of all evil) So I told her Next time he comes by to pick her up(wich is today) to grab his liscence plate number and then we can find out where he lives incase he does decide to not bring Amber back.

WRT
18th November 2005, 09:47
Thats all good and well, but that would be a legitimate case where you could go to the cops and get them to track 'em. My issue with it is some hood could spot me trundling round on my bike and go to his mates, cor, thats a nice bike, where can I get me one of them from . . .

A quick trip to the PO, and next thing you know I'm phoning up the insurance company and giving them good reason to increase the cost of all our premiums . . .

Beemer
18th November 2005, 09:48
The thing is, he may not have the vehicle registered to his home address or he may not have updated the details so it may not help you in this instance.

What we worry about is people seeing riders out on their bikes, checking the register (good luck to them with ours is all I can say!) and then going around and flogging them at a later date. My sister is a prison officer and has to have her car registered to her work or she'd be tracked down by crims she pisses off.

I also worry about the road rage incidents - maybe you report someone for doing something dangerous, they noted your number plate at the time (easy if it's a personalised one) and then turn up for a little pay-back.

marty
18th November 2005, 09:50
some of us still have to have our vehicles registered to work addresses, be on the confidential roll, have a confidential phone number.

there are some people with very long memories, and very nasty habits out there

Sniper
18th November 2005, 09:53
Bugger, that doesn't sound good. Although having acces to the Vehicle database, it is helpful.

Beemer
18th November 2005, 10:00
some of us still have to have our vehicles registered to work addresses, be on the confidential roll, have a confidential phone number.

there are some people with very long memories, and very nasty habits out there

The trouble is, it's not an easy task to get on the confidential roll - I'm a journalist and that doesn't automatically qualify. The fact we have nice bikes means nothing to those who administer the scheme unfortunately.

Waylander
18th November 2005, 10:04
Thats all good and well, but that would be a legitimate case where you could go to the cops and get them to track 'em. My issue with it is some hood could spot me trundling round on my bike and go to his mates, cor, thats a nice bike, where can I get me one of them from . . .

A quick trip to the PO, and next thing you know I'm phoning up the insurance company and giving them good reason to increase the cost of all our premiums . . .
Except that from her experiance the cops do absolutly dick to help her. All officers were engaged in other "activities" they deemed "more important"

Jackrat
18th November 2005, 18:41
Nobody can find my address from my vehicule rego's.
Damn some people are dumb.:blink: :lol:

Karma
18th November 2005, 18:49
What about previous addresses / owners?

Does it list just the current owner and registered address?

Swoop
18th November 2005, 21:00
Do the math people!!!!!
8 million times $2.25 = 18million dollars that uncle Helen sticks in the slush fund with all the other bullshit taxes!!!

They are NOT going to kill off that income source. The probable bet is that they make it less attractive by making it $100- or similar to get the info. They would put off some people AND be making a killing on the $$$$$.:doh:

froggyfrenchman
18th November 2005, 21:20
ill be glad if this stops. have had a knock at the door in the past by a driver i had passed "innapropriatly"sp in the past

Motu
18th November 2005, 22:09
Nobody can find my address from my vehicule rego's.
Damn some people are dumb.:blink: :lol:

Heh,heh,they lead a sheltered life eh? Have never had to take ''the long way home'' if the Valiant two cars back took the last couple of turns as you did,and never sell nothing from home...

riffer
18th November 2005, 22:10
Storm in a teacup.

Go on the confidential role if you are worried.

Biff
18th November 2005, 23:18
About freaking time IMO.

I looked up some dickhead cage drivers address myself once. I've still got his address here somewhere.

Some people aren't as lazy/calm/law abiding as I am these days.

Lou Girardin
19th November 2005, 05:56
The register is a crock. I know of many bikes registered to non-residential addresses to negate the thieving scum fear.
There are no checks made, the only problem is that your reminder notices go to that address.
But I still think access is too easy.

Badcat
19th November 2005, 06:41
I also worry about the road rage incidents - maybe you report someone for doing something dangerous, they noted your number plate at the time (easy if it's a personalised one) and then turn up for a little pay-back.


this has happened to me.
the guy that turned up at my house with a car wheel wrench a few years back still walks with a limp i think. and of course he drove down my drive in his car, so i had his address too afterwards.