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Zapf
29th December 2005, 15:32
SV1000S Vs CBR1100XX :sherlock:

Which bike would cost more to run?

Which bike would be more fun? (in your books)

Which bike would handle better? (out of the box)

And can owners please post their tank range until reserve light comes on? thanks

froggyfrenchman
29th December 2005, 15:33
my vote goes to the sv1000s, coz twins are much more fun in my books. Just my opinion! dont want to be attacked by hoards of inline4 owners!

Lou Girardin
29th December 2005, 16:12
The Bird is 30+ kilos heavier than the SV for starters, Then it is a Honda, so that may create some gender confusion.:whistle:

Drunken Monkey
29th December 2005, 16:33
bloody hell, looking for another bike already, F. ?

manuboy
29th December 2005, 16:49
Somebody else will be able to tell you about the CBR, but the SV gets serviced at 6K intervals. Nothing special required - standard oil / filter and general checks. Think 6k was the same for the VTR and the K4 so maybe thats standard. SV will probably be harder on chains / sprockets, but easier on brakes considering weight.

Nothings gone wrong with the SV at all so far apart from almost every bolt / screw vibrating loose but preride checks sort that - they're pretty strong ol donks.

They tell me twins can chew more rubber (grip / slip / regrip cycle of a twin). Depends on your riding style, my z6 rear did almost 8k last time, this time a couple more tracks days will have it rooted in 5k i reckon. But mates on I4's have rooted good rubber WAY quicker than that.

Fun? Totally objective call. SV carries a pillion averagly, tours averagely, is a hoot on twisties (ridden properly), gets round ruapuna okay (not as "okay" as a GSXR or similar obviously). Most SV reviews called it a "fun" machine. 110 HP and around 189kg dry lets you have enough fun i reckon.

Suspension is the only part of the handling that will let you down seriously but for my money the SV would take the CBR to peices come track day.

You can hustle it as hard as you like an apart from the suspension it'll generally cope. Sure bet guys like SVS and those racing them have ditched stock suspension or at least replaced fork springs / oil?

p.s out of the box the SV needs heaps a heap of front preload, and a bit of rear (i'm 81kg). it's shit otherwise. dropping the forks 4mm apparently helps stability / turn in heaps as well.

Mr Skid
29th December 2005, 18:26
So to clarify:

You're considering buying a SV, after owning a SV and selling it because the suspension wasn't good enough, only to be replaced with a GSXR750, which turns in too quick, to be replaced with a CB900 which is too vibey? And one of the potential solutions is to replace your inline 4 with a V-twin to resolve vibration issues?

Are you ever going to be satisfied? :sherlock:

pritch
29th December 2005, 18:53
Strange question(s) really.

One of those bikes offers a lot of bang for the buck but is still a budget bike. The other is a "flagship" model of the manufacturer of the most reliable bikes on the planet.

Hard to compare on any objective basis, but this is all about subjective decisions anyway. You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.

Have fun deciding.

Then buy the Honda :-)

Zapf
29th December 2005, 19:21
So to clarify:

You're considering buying a SV, after owning a SV and selling it because the suspension wasn't good enough, only to be replaced with a GSXR750, which turns in too quick, to be replaced with a CB900 which is too vibey? And one of the potential solutions is to replace your inline 4 with a V-twin to resolve vibration issues?

Are you ever going to be satisfied? :sherlock:

well yes. what I should hav done is kept the SV and got nice suspension for it. The 750 had much better suspension.... althou try as I may I havent managed to bungie 2 givi pannier boxes onto it, seeing Givi didn't make racks for the GSXR. CB900 which I was hoping to be a do it all is vibey... which will be fixed soon enough. There is good vibes and bad vibes, the SV have more good ones

yea I am a hard man to please.

Biff
30th December 2005, 00:00
My CBR1100XX

Does over 300 K's on a tank when ridden 50% fast road 50% communting.
Service intervals 6K after initial 1K and 6K checks n oils.
Average MPG around 40mpg.


Performance
It's a missile, and can out accelerate many a 'pure' sports bike off the mark (with a competent pilot at the helm), and it'll keep on going and going until you're into the 180 - 200Kmph mark, then the R1s and such like catch and put a good lead on you. Final top speed reported to be circa 286K on restricted machines and over and above 300K reported on some bike other bike forums I lurk about. But it'll do it in such a way that you wouldn't notice the speed this thing is doing, because it's so well natured. Neutral even to someone looking for a true sports bike feel.

It's a very happy speedy cruiser, and as docile as a stoned koala around town.

Handling
It loves fast sweeping corners. You can plant it into a sweeper and it sits there like no other bike I've ridden. Lovely, predictable. But it's a bit of a handful in tighter sections, and you'll find faster 600cc + bikes and riders soon catching you up . It's not that you can't get the Bird around them easily, it's just that the physics involved in getting a 220+Kg machine around tighter curves is starting to work against you. Know what I mean?

Nothing's adjustable on the front. Recommend you place a spacer above the rear shock (if there isn't one there already), as this makes a significant improvement to the bikes handling on tighter sections.

Fun
Hell yeah it's fun. But it's not a sports bike. The power is progressive and predictable throughout the bikes power range. If a Gixxer, R1, ZX** are Ferraris, then a Bird is a Bentley Turbo thingy. Just as fast, if not faster to a point, and in relative comfort, until the road best suits a machine with a thoroughbred racing pedigree.


It's a Honda. Ghey some scrotally challenged people may say. I say quality.

And you don't get piles like sports bike riders do. They all do, they're just too embarrassed to admit it.

The SV and the Bird are different machines. A serious test ride of both should help me thinks. Horses for courses etc.

Jantar
30th December 2005, 00:57
Strange question(s) really.

One of those bikes offers a lot of bang for the buck but is still a budget bike. The other is a "flagship" model of the manufacturer of the most reliable bikes on the planet.



Two errors in your post: :rolleyes:

1/ I know the Blackbird has been reduced in price, but its hardly a budget bike.

2/ The SV is not Suzuki's "flagship" model.
:whistle:

The Stranger
30th December 2005, 02:50
The blackbirds are variously quoted at between 2.4 and 2.8 seconds for 0-100 so yeah pretty quick and rock steady at 255kph and still pulling like a freight train.

At the trackday at Taupo I was probably one of the ones being complained about when guys on the lighter bikes could get me on the twisties but I could generally hose them on the straits.
I also noted that many of the bikes which did take me on the twisties I caught easy enough on the sweeper. Wasn't game to take many of them on the sweeper though cause of all the crap on the track, so it kinda bares out what you say.

loosebruce
30th December 2005, 15:07
Pfft SV buy a TLS ya pussy :ar15: (er i know of one for sale soon)

In my experiance twins are thristy as fuck and kill tyres in less than 2000km (could be just me though) but then again the GSXR1000 was not as thirsty and killed tyres just as quick, but the GSXR would pull the front up in 3rd at 170kph rather happily, and the brakes well......... god knows why you would want to buy a bird :bleh: whats wrong with the 750 eh?

I'd prolly buy the SV over a Bird, i'm not big on 2 up stuff which the bird would be the bizzo for, and from what i've heard and seen the birds a bit of handful for stupid shit, where as the SV would still be aight for stupid shit, you owned a new 650 just think of that with 50 odd more hp and a little bit more weight.

VasalineWarrior
30th December 2005, 23:39
If your thinking of ditching the Gixer for another SV, how about lending it to me for a bit? For research purposes of course.....

inlinefour
31st December 2005, 01:54
SV1000S Vs CBR1100XX :sherlock:

Which bike would cost more to run?

Which bike would be more fun? (in your books)

Which bike would handle better? (out of the box)

And can owners please post their tank range until reserve light comes on? thanks

Unless someone is going to give me a ride on both and I go the same route on both, then I'll never truely know. besides, I don't trust everything I read in a magazine or on the web.:pinch:

Dafe
31st December 2005, 05:57
So to clarify:

You're considering buying a SV, after owning a SV and selling it because the suspension wasn't good enough, only to be replaced with a GSXR750, which turns in too quick, to be replaced with a CB900 which is too vibey? And one of the potential solutions is to replace your inline 4 with a V-twin to resolve vibration issues?

Are you ever going to be satisfied? :sherlock:

A few people on the SV1000S Portal have put Ohlins suspension on their SV1000S. Maybe you should have tried that?
I rooted the steering head bearings on my SV - Thanks to learning to wheelie and many a heavy landing.
The suspension however tweaked up really nicely for the track - Very impressive.
As for the rest of the bike - Just awesome! Power and handling were good.
However, In saying that....... I couldn't get too much more out of my SV after a year, hence the Gixxer thou which is just right for me - I love it!

Those 6K servicing schedules are a suzuki schedule, not an SV schedule!

Zapf
31st December 2005, 16:53
Can someone tell me their max / avg / min gas range to when it hit reserves on the SV thous? thanks.

yep... will be testing both in the coming new year... and depends on how it goes the plan might be to get the SV 1st... (cause I can tour ok on that) and then perhaps consider the XX a year down the track.

where as it a bit of a mission to tour on the Gixxer and I have no luggages on the CB

Devil
31st December 2005, 18:20
I think you need a speed four, Felix :D

Mr Skid
31st December 2005, 19:51
I think you need a speed four, Felix :DI would have said some hard pills, but each to their own.

Zapf
1st January 2006, 14:37
I think you need a speed four, Felix :D

Hahah... ok... might ask nicely at AMPS for a demo ride on some Triumph's.....

Sprint ST / Some sort of triple... and speed 4

The Stranger
1st January 2006, 20:25
Nothing's adjustable on the front. Recommend you place a spacer above the rear shock (if there isn't one there already), as this makes a significant improvement to the bikes handling on tighter sections.


So silly question - have you put a spacer above your rear shock?

Just did mine today, Fark what a difference 4.5mm can make, it has transformed the bike immensley. :niceone:

Was a little worried if would have a negative impact at speed, but none detected at 200kph and as it turns out I spend most of my time slower than this

Zed
1st January 2006, 23:01
SV1000S Vs CBR1100XX :sherlock:

Which bike would cost more to run?

Which bike would be more fun? (in your books)

Which bike would handle better? (out of the box)

And can owners please post their tank range until reserve light comes on? thanksHere is a comparison (http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/4759/4642/) between both 2005 bikes, interesting to me is the 38kg difference in dry weight, 30 odd hp gap, and the SV has a 17L tank as opposed to the 24L tank of the Bird!

Looks like SV will cost more to run, as well as more frequent fuel stops! SV at 120 hp will still be adequate power for you. Suzooki suspension should be better on the SV cos the Bird's is non-adjustable, but the Bird is still very comfortable!

Most fun bike IMO would be the more powerful one! :yes:

See if you can organise one of those *half-day* test rides for each bike from a bike dealership, only then would you know for sure which one you like the most!

Zapf
2nd January 2006, 19:20
Here is a comparison (http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/4759/4642/) between both 2005 bikes, interesting to me is the 38kg difference in dry weight, 30 odd hp gap, and the SV has a 17L tank as opposed to the 24L tank of the Bird!

Looks like SV will cost more to run, as well as more frequent fuel stops! SV at 120 hp will still be adequate power for you. Suzooki suspension should be better on the SV cos the Bird's is non-adjustable, but the Bird is still very comfortable!

Most fun bike IMO would be the more powerful one! :yes:

See if you can organise one of those *half-day* test rides for each bike from a bike dealership, only then would you know for sure which one you like the most!

thanks... why would the SV cost more to run? Tires?

The_Dover
2nd January 2006, 19:50
Why not get a fuckin Sprint ST?

You want something sporty, comfortable, tourable, blahdy blah.....?

Zed
2nd January 2006, 19:56
thanks... why would the SV cost more to run? Tires?Sorry, it would cost you more time to run it cos of more frequent fuel stops. Not sure whether v-twins guzzle much more gas than a big inline four? I'd predict the Bird would be more harder on tyres, then again it comes down to how hard you ride it.

marty
2nd January 2006, 20:33
as i've recently found out, bikes over the 1000cc mark incur an extra insurance premium.

NhuanH
2nd January 2006, 20:43
..vfr800..

The_Dover
2nd January 2006, 20:47
I thought MAurice would be more of a M50 man?

NhuanH
2nd January 2006, 20:49
I thought MAurice would be more of a M50 man?
Yus, he does enjoy the shaft drive.

Zapf
2nd January 2006, 21:33
Why not get a fuckin Sprint ST?

You want something sporty, comfortable, tourable, blahdy blah.....?

yea might just test ride one.... bit on the pricy side thou

Nhuan, na... not VFR's... riding last year with the HRC on their SI tour... the SV650 easily out drives the VFR's around corners....

SV's fuel range... might have to add some sort of a fuel cell :)

Mr Skid
2nd January 2006, 21:47
Nhuan, na... not VFR's... riding last year with the HRC on their SI tour... the SV650 easily out drives the VFR's around corners....I'm picking the VFR would have been two up with a flat rear and seized brake caliper.

Oh, by the way, I've found a solution to your vibration troubles on your CB900.
Ride my bike for quarter of an hour over 120, and we'll never hear you bitch about your bikes vibrations again.

SlowHand
2nd January 2006, 21:54
Course he wouldnt. He would hit the picks and go straight into the trees 100m away.

Thats an idea tho - how about a enduro type thing. Or a viagra

Zapf
2nd January 2006, 22:49
I'm picking the VFR would have been two up with a flat rear and seized brake caliper.


how would you know? if you were heading south on your honda you won't even make it past 22 without falling off from low tire pressure :Pokey: j/k

na... there were 2 to 3 VFR800's... Biff was there on his bird :) VFR's are heavy... like 220~230kg dry and have only 200cc pistons... The KTM 950 was out driving them too... (nice bikes they are... pricy thou)

thought you would understand the size of your piston (singular) now Mr Skid..

Zapf
2nd January 2006, 22:54
Or a viagra

word on the street is that you eat that thing... don't get so desprate that you have to mount it ok.. :violin:

or is that how you managed to hit the trees with your thingie migic 100 meters away (congrets on the bulls eye, it'll take the council a while to clean up that white smuge you left behind)

Biff
3rd January 2006, 12:13
So silly question - have you put a spacer above your rear shock?

Just did mine today, Fark what a difference 4.5mm can make, it has transformed the bike immensley. :niceone:

Was a little worried if would have a negative impact at speed, but none detected at 200kph and as it turns out I spend most of my time slower than this

Yes - well sort of. Blackbird (a member here currently on gardening leave) made a small bracket for me out of aircraft ali'. I think it's 5mm deep, and slides around the top of the rear shock's bolt. And you're right - it makes a marked improvement to the machines handling.

Biff
3rd January 2006, 12:17
Tires?

A BT020 Battleaxe for the rear of a Bird will set you back around $300. I get between 8-9K from a rear Battleaxe.

SlowHand
3rd January 2006, 22:36
word on the street is that you eat that thing... don't get so desprate that you have to mount it ok.. :violin:

or is that how you managed to hit the trees with your thingie migic 100 meters away (congrets on the bulls eye, it'll take the council a while to clean up that white smuge you left behind)

dude, do i really gota explain everything? hitting the trees 100m away while on the picks = shitty brakes on the XT.

Viagra - take that to mean anything you want. I ment it as a "harden up" or as a spelling mistake to virago.

but if you want to take offense to everything, what can I say?

Zapf
3rd January 2006, 23:06
dude, do i really gota explain everything? hitting the trees 100m away while on the picks = shitty brakes on the XT.

Viagra - take that to mean anything you want. I ment it as a "harden up" or as a spelling mistake to virago.

but if you want to take offense to everything, what can I say?

hahah... ok. U got me into a habit :) Hands down from me now :wavey:

scracha
4th January 2006, 07:37
SV1000S Vs CBR1100XX :sherlock:

Which bike would cost more to run?


SV would cost more to run cos every fule know Suzuki's break :rolleyes: Seriously though, Blackbirds are considered bombproof and have excellent build quality.

Devil
6th January 2006, 13:14
You can buy my Speed Four! Full triumph body kit, pack rack and already run in. 18 months of warranty left!

Damon
6th January 2006, 14:26
I would get the SV if you want something to ride hard, if you want something to transport your zimmer frame then get the bird, not that it wont kick ass aswell but it's not really the bike i would want for throwing around.

As for costs, the SV will cost more to run because it's a twin, my VTR gets the same fuel economy as a small car and i have to stop for gas every 150-180kms :weep: depending on how i ride it but i have fun getting there and people can hear me comming from miles away.

Zapf
6th January 2006, 17:45
As for costs, the SV will cost more to run because it's a twin, my VTR gets the same fuel economy as a small car and i have to stop for gas every 150-180kms :weep: depending on how i ride it but i have fun getting there and people can hear me comming from miles away.

Twins cost more to run from tire and chain wear? The SV is better on gas I think... thanks to injection...

Zapf
6th January 2006, 17:54
Thanks to Sarge @ Colemans... I had the chance to take the SV1000S with Micro pipe out for a ride. Being their demo bike it had 1'300 on the clock and so I get to really try the bike out.

1st impression I sat on the bike... Yuck... everything is so cheap compaired with the Gixxer!.

2nd impression - This thing is so narrow!

3rd impression - My lord... the engine / exhaust pulse is so strong.... Vibes... (good vibes ... bad vibes?)

So I decide to take the SV to my stomping ground around the east auckland area and past thru Twilight road and went slightly further down the coast.. the main thing I found compaired with the Gixxer is that the pulses can make your hand num.... and that stuff all braking is needed going into corners on a big twin... Naturally the suspension is not a posh as the Gixxer's but that can be fixed by way of Ohlins.

Next thing I know I have pulled up to a dairy by the coast and looking at the nice black SV...

So... the SV is more brute... more rough around the edges... even has harder seat than the Gixxer.. And its no way smooth... but.... its FUN.

Next up... I'll find a Black bird to compair...

Devil
8th January 2006, 18:56
So... the SV is more brute... more rough around the edges... even has harder seat than the Gixxer.. And its no way smooth... but.... its FUN.

Are you sure it doesnt have a softer seat? i.e. too soft that your butt bones end up on the seat base? Because thats what I think it was when I rode the sv1000 nekkid. Spongy soft seat but my ass was killing me after a couple of hours in the saddle. Corbin do SV1000(S) seats...

Zed
8th January 2006, 19:06
You can buy my Speed Four! Full triumph body kit, pack rack and already run in. 18 months of warranty left!Sick of it already Matt? What else have you got your eye on?? :shifty:

Keystone19
8th January 2006, 22:01
Sick of it already Matt? What else have you got your eye on?? :shifty:

Hmm, he's had a few problems with it - warranty stuff.

Zed
8th January 2006, 22:16
Hmm, he's had a few problems with it - warranty stuff."Hmm" alright! :shutup:

Devil
9th January 2006, 07:05
Nah, the warranty stuff isn't bothering me at the moment. The whole buying a house thing is starting to impact the budget! Need to flog off the car ASAP and buy a cheap shitter for A-B stuff.
Had a downer and thought about getting rid of the bike and getting another one 6 months down the track, but then I woke up!

...just need to find the dosh for new tyres... *sigh*

Zed
9th January 2006, 07:34
...Had a downer and thought about getting rid of the bike and getting another one 6 months down the track, but then I woke up!Awake thou that sleepeth and arise to ride!! :sleep: :bleh: :ride: