Pleeease...can we give it a rest

[jaybee180]

I'm feeling compelled to write this coz this "cop bashing" trend seems to be getting more and more frequent.

Why do you guys feel the need to get personal and state things that are incorrect, or that you know nothing about.

By all means if you have an opinion then express it - but please, please know what you are talking about before you denigrade someones chosen profession or insult their intelligence/upbringing/morals/ethics or anything else that you feel is an easy target.

For all of you out there:
The police have traffic and GDB. Basically the traffic are out on the road catching you guys who speed (amongst other stuff). The GDB do all the other stuff. Currently the traffic guys are the more funded and more staffed group. That is the design of the current government climate and NOT determined by the general Joe Blow who joins the job. Ask any cop why they joined and the ultimate answer is to catch criminals and to help people. That sentiment has never changed in the fourteen years that I have worked with these people.

If your crime is not attended to then it's probably because there is no one to go - and at the end of the day, to anyone who thinks that their burglary where their "possessions" have been stolen demands more priority than a situation where someone could potentially lose their life - then I'm sorry, but you are never going to be happy.

It aint easy for these guys and they have all my respect.

I read a report today that stated that the Police Comms Centres deal with 1.7 million emergency calls a year - less than one third of those actually constitutes an emergency. Ask yourself!!!!!

Please know the facts before you go off at these guys. It's not them! It's your government - and like I have said before - if you don't like it, then get on the phone, or write letters, or start a petition - JUST DO SOMETHING.

Rant over.

[Patrick]

Bling for you....we (I) am (are) thick skinned and get a laugh out of some of the crap spouted here...just easy targets I suppose...

Imagine life without us... including life without traffic cops... you wouldn't find me out there riding motorbikes, thats for sure. That battletruck off Mad Max would hardly even do it.

[jimbo600]

I know it'll never happen, but they should separate traffic from regular policing. I believe that the current HP situation if doing irreparable damage to police reputation. And for fucks sake fund the organisation properly, that goes for defence too.

[Phenoix]

Actually there is talk to seperate the 2 departements again.
But that then creats the problem of people just seeing a cop car (VS an HP) and just speeding past.
But yes, the prority's of someone speeding vs other crimes is highly unbalanced.

[The Stranger]

Jaybee180 I believe that you are quite correct.

I feel quite sure that it is not the average cop who decides where the resources are to be expended.

Furthermore I believe that this forum is enriched because of the presence of the Police, both from meeting some of them and where else can I go to get answers to policing questions etc

However, the reality is still that the public at large, whom the govt and police are there to serve, and in reality pay their wages, are entitled to their views and to have these heard and respected.

Surely if the police on this site did not want the scorn heaped upon them it would be wise for them to listen to those views, respect those views and not attempt to defend the crap that their "superiors" and /or the govt dish up.

When they do this it appears to the rest of the site that these are in fact their views too. Hence the arguments tend to become personal.

[Scouse]

Well ther are some things that the Police Highracy do that dont help the poor old cop at the coal face Like letting of Sione Luaki for an assult that knocked out the guy that was on the reciving end cause luaki is an ALL BLACK he gets let off but wait it wasn't the court that decided this it was the police. In my opinion an assult that lays somone unconcious is a serious assult and as such should have been put before the District court.

[Colapop]

I haven't heard from any coppers on here that have said "Fuck we're the police and we'll do whatever the fuck we please!" It just doesn't happen. I had the opportunity to join the police, but didn't because I knew I couldn't atke the BS that goes with it. I would've just ended up a crim by smacking the crap outa someone. Tough job, big ups guys...
Traffic wardens now that's a different story....

[SuperDave]

Surely if the police on this site did not want the scorn heaped upon them it would be wise for them to listen to those views, respect those views and not attempt to defend the crap that their "superiors" and /or the govt dish up.

When they do this it appears to the rest of the site that these are in fact their views too. Hence the arguments tend to become personal.

This is a very good point, something that I've also thought about. Pretty much all the comments from our police members are in support and defense of the 'police' view, never the other way around.

[Aitch]

Well ther are some things that the Police Highracy do that dont help the poor old cop at the coal face Like letting of Sione Luaki for an assult that knocked out the guy that was on the reciving end cause luaki is an ALL BLACK he gets let off but wait it wasn't the court that decided this it was the police. In my opinion an assult that lays somone unconcious is a serious assult and as such should have been put before the District court.

For God's sake man, it's the COURT who decides the sentence not the cops. If it had been you r or me in the dock we'd have been offered diversion (assuming that you'd be a first time offender too.) Diversion is offered to most first timer offenders at the lower end of the scale these days. Were you in court to hear EXACTLY what happened? I think not.

This is EXACTLY what jaybee was talking about...folks bursting into print not knowing the whole story....

[Kickaha]

Well ther are some things that the Police Highracy do that dont help the poor old cop at the coal face Like letting of Sione Luaki for an assult that knocked out the guy that was on the reciving end cause luaki is an ALL BLACK he gets let off but wait it wasn't the court that decided this it was the police. In my opinion an assult that lays somone unconcious is a serious assult and as such should have been put before the District court.

He did go to court and was granted leave to apply for diversion as I understand it that is a decison from the court not from the police, can you show it was otherwise?

[MSTRS]

It is the Kiwi condition to take out one's frustration on the person in front of one. The faceless grey people that send down the instructions that cause our frustrations will never actually get to face that anger. Our messages should be taken back to those people by the ones that we vent at.

[Sniper]

Nicely said. Nobody will listen though

[The_Dover]

Do I hear the sound of WINJA approaching?

Or did someone just fart?

[stify]

Do I hear the sound of WINJA approaching?

Or did someone just fart?

opps...sorry

[spudchucka]

Well ther are some things that the Police Highracy do that dont help the poor old cop at the coal face Like letting of Sione Luaki for an assult that knocked out the guy that was on the reciving end cause luaki is an ALL BLACK he gets let off but wait it wasn't the court that decided this it was the police. In my opinion an assult that lays somone unconcious is a serious assult and as such should have been put before the District court.
If the system entitles him to diversion why shouldn't he get it? Because he's an All Black? Does being an AB make him more culpable than a non AB in the same situation?

Diversion has to be agreed to by the victim and by the courts. The offender has to complete diversionary tasks, if they don't they get the conviction and lose the option of diversion for any future offending. By the way, all this happens in the District Court.

[The_Dover]

The fact he is a dumb thug should mean he is made an example of. This guy is a hero to hundreds of kids and if they think it's ok for him to thump someone then why shouldn't they?

Sione Lauaki is not fit to wear the shirt, and I don't even support the all blacks. He's a lazy shit on the field anyway. And he's fuckin Tongan, he should play for them.

[spudchucka]

He's a citizen / permanent resident and is entitled to the same / equal treatment that you would be if you were in the same situation.

[Colapop]

That's just it, isn't it? It makes no difference if you're a chink, a spic, a wop, a coon or whatever other racist slur can be directed at you if you are a legal citizen of this country you have the right to be protected and judged by this county's laws. If you are a mongrel mob member (however hated they are) and you get shot, the law says that you have the right to get medical attention. Our polititions aren't exactly great role models either are they? ie. Dover 'pissing boy' Samuels, Donna 'Pipi cash' Huata, and Winston 'got a chip on my shoulder' Peters.

[The_Dover]

Who said I was a citizen or resident? I'd get the book thrown at me if I thumped a security guard and knocked the pussy out.

Shame it wasn't a pig that he lamped.

[mstriumph]

.....................The faceless grey people that send down the instructions that cause our frustrations will never actually get to face that anger..........................

comes the revolution, brother ..................

returns to methodically stropping one of the flatter bits of antique flatware inherited from great aunt ermintrude .....:shifty:

[Colapop]

The wall! The Wall!! Line 'em against the Wall!! Shoot the bastards shoot 'em all. Bwahahaha!!!

[boomer]

Who said I was a citizen or resident? I'd get the book thrown at me if I thumped a security guard and knocked the pussy out.

Shame it wasn't a pig that he lamped.

f'kin tourists!!!

[kro]

People will always take a shot at others, irrepsective of their profession/beliefs, christians and cops are a fashionable punching bag.

My best cobber is a senior seargent, and I love the guy to bits, and I couldn't do his job, it's a rough, dangerous profession. I don't like it when they get shit from the public, but its always gonna be that way with narrow minded people who haven't/refuse to walk a mile in the shoes of others.

The Dickhead patrol in the thump thump cars are classics, they throw bottles and shit at the cops, and abuse them, and say they are not needed, and all the rest, but the minute one of them has their precious car nicked, who do they then need?. The irony is not lost on the boys in blue, trust me.

[RantyDave]

Shame it wasn't a pig that he lamped.
Yeah, be a f'kin different story then, wouldn't it?

Still, if I were the lampee in this case I think I'd rather see an all black picking up the litter in a park in Chch than it going to court and him getting a fine that represented ... ooohhh .... two, maybe three minutes on the field.

Yeah! Community service, bitch! Go clean up pavement pizza's - every saturday morning for six months!

Dave

[et al]

Yes - I have had enough of this cop-bashing as well. There have been threads about how people should take responsibility for their own actions, so although I can understand Snuffles and Dafe etc getting pissed off about being pulled up for what they did how come they have to do a big rant? They broke the law, got caught, end of story!

[Big Chim]

Yes - I have had enough of this cop-bashing as well. There have been threads about how people should take responsibility for their own actions, so although I can understand (being) pissed off about being pulled up for what they did ? broke the law, got caught, end of story!

Second that

[SimJen]

Still entitles you to dislike traffic cops if you so choose......
I've got a lot of respect for the normal cops but none for traffic...so sue me.

[tracyprier]

EDIT: The Dickhead patrol in the thump thump cars

Agree with the whole post Kronos, but LOVE the above description :)

Friday morning chuckle achieved

[The_Dover]

I don't have a problem with the pigs as such, most I have dealt with have been pretty good cunts. Never been ticketed, given a few warnings and told to be on my way.

But I do have an issue with the way police resources are deployed, which I feel is the issue most of us on here have. I'll give all the pigs on the site some shit, cos I'm a cunt, but as people I have no issue with them. Fuck, I'll probably give Telecom employees more shit cos they have an even more immoral employer. I do however agree with some peoples opinions that the front line bacon should make more of a stand against some of the shit policies they are asked to enforce, it may have more of an impact than they realise.

[98tls]

going back to where this thread started,my mother works at the 111 call center,she told me the average number of calls on a friday saturday night,cant remember the exact figures but there staggering and the majority of them are just bullshit,mum puts them through to the police call center and heres the conversation,many of them are prank calls or pissed idiots that have got themselves into trouble wanting the cops to come bail them out,people complain they cant get a cop when they need one,what they dont realize is the amount of time they have to devote to dickheads.i have three cousins in christchurch who are cops,seem ok guys,they all say that being a cop would be a lot better if they didnt have to spend hours doing paperwork for everything they do,ive been abit of a cop basher at times but hey if some guys where breaking into my garage to steal my bike i would be real glad that i could ring them to give me a hand.

[Deano]

I'm feeling compelled to write this coz this "cop bashing" trend seems to be getting more and more frequent.

Please know the facts before you go off at these guys. It's not them! It's your government - and like I have said before - if you don't like it, then get on the phone, or write letters, or start a petition - JUST DO SOMETHING.

Rant over.

They aren't doing much to help themselves out !!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=497897#post497897

And the reported facts were that after the attack, the person bundled the dog in the car and scarpered - this was before it was revealed he was a policeman.

[madboy]

If you want respect, you need to earn it. There's a few areas where the police fall down in the area of earning respect. Number 1 is Highway Patrol, and the rigid traffic enforcement. So the traffic dudes strap on their uniform and go out and ticket people for pretty much exactly what most of them drive like themselves. I don't give a rats arse when some tosser cop on this site (or away from it) claims that it's a management decision handed down from above. If my manager told me to do something that turned me into a complete bloody hypocrite, I'd find a new career.

Not to mention the resourcing issues well covered here - money goes to traffic but not general duties. Another management issue.

There are bad eggs in all organisations (a common phrase cops use to justify the behaviour of their own bad eggs when they're caught) but the fact is they're in a high profile industry. They are expected to be held to a higher moral and ethical standard than joe blow. If they want the public to look up to them, they should f***ing act like it. The preacher cannot lecture the congregation on chastity and morality, while engaging in a public affair with the choirboys, and expect to have credibility.

But quite frankly if the frontline can't handle coping flack for a management decision, get new management. If that means changing careers, deal with it. Otherwise do what I do - I work in insurance, everyone has a bad insurance story to tell, and everyone is quick to judge me for what I do (or what they think I do) but it's all water off a ducks back to me. "Some" of the cops around here, and out there, need to learn that for themselves.

[Hitcher]

New Zealand is lucky to have a largely uncorrupt policing and justice system.

And we're lucky to have the calibre of law enforcement officers we do. I would not swap jobs with them for anything. Despite what may be published about them in the papers, they still have my respect and support.

After all, they're just people like us trying to make the best decisions based on uncooperation, incomplete and ambiguous information. They may not always get things "right" but they don't always get things "wrong" either.

Give them a break.

[jazbug5]

... based on uncooperation...
Give them a break.

Hitcher! You used a non-word..! For shame...

[Phurrball]

*snip*... but as people I have no issue with them...*snip*

That's what we should try and remember folks - role differentiated obligations. (Thank you legal ethics paper for that one :niceone:) Those at the front line have occupational obligations. Who they are as people may affect the way that they carry out the job, but primarily the role informs what they do. It pays to remember to direct rants at what informs the role - policy - Police and governmental, rather than the people.

Speaking both metaphorically and practically: Even if you don't agree with the ticket you are being written...be nice to the person writing it. They probably have less say in the matter than you think.

Still OK to complain if you think the person on the other side of the ticket book is particularly smarmy or nasty - but remember that they are but one person in that job, and they might be having a bad day (or you might have been a real arse and deserved an earful)

I've had good and bad experiences with Police on the road. It pays to keep the good ones in mind sometimes - and remember that your perception is only a tiny fraction of what actually goes on.

My $0.02

[Lou Girardin]

Unfortunately the only way to make the powers that be realise what their decisions are doing to public perception of the Police is to widely criticise Police actions. Not forgeting that it's their actions or lack of action that brings the criticism. It's not fictional, there's been too many stuff ups in recent years.
Criticising the bosses will have no effect because they don't have to face public opprobrium, so the troops become the target. I know it's not fair, but that's life.
I know better than most that most cops are OK, although the proportion must have fallen in the last 10 years.
The interesting thing now, is how widely criticism of 'revenue gathering' has become.

[ManDownUnder]

Do I hear the sound of WINJA approaching?

Or did someone just fart?
Sorry - curry for lunch

[The_Dover]

Sorry - curry for lunch

You been "visiting" JSG's mum again?

[MSTRS]

Unfortunately the only way to make the powers that be realise what their decisions are doing to public perception of the Police is to widely criticise Police actions. Not forgeting that it's their actions or lack of action that brings the criticism. It's not fictional, there's been too many stuff ups in recent years.
Criticising the bosses will have no effect because they don't have to face public opprobrium, so the troops become the target. I know it's not fair, but that's life.
I know better than most that most cops are OK, although the proportion must have fallen in the last 10 years.
The interesting thing now, is how widely criticism of 'revenue gathering' has become.
Just what I said, but you said it better??
Nevertheless, that is the case - the 'powers-that-be' or the 'faceless grey people' make unpopular decisions, force the troops to implement those decisions and when the flak hits, they use spin doctors to intercede. I note with interest that whenever one of the grey people gets caught (unprepared) by the media, anything they say just proves they are pillocks.

[Lou Girardin]

I note with interest that whenever one of the grey people gets caught (unprepared) by the media, anything they say just proves they are pillocks.

And a perfect example is the new Road Safety 'Manager' (how I hate that phrase) saying that they're targeting the "hard core speeder". 300,000+ speeding tickets each year is one massive "hard core".

[kro]

If you want respect, you need to earn it. There's a few areas where the police fall down in the area of earning respect.


Utter bollocks. This whole "you need to earn my respect" thing is crap, these people aspired to be upholders of the law, without which you would be living in a society of complete chaos, they deserve respect irrespective of your warped views.
You want complete chaos?, the Vietnam and ww2 vets described war as "utter chaos", and it fucked them up for life, luckily they had to endure it short term, rather than long term.

None of you could withstand true anarchy/chaos, you would be sitting ina corner with your head between your knees, rocking back and forth. (i would be the guy beside you, doing the same thing)

[Edbear]

Some interesting comments here. I'd like to hear a bit more from the Blue clad ones as to how they see their job and how they deal with issues they face such as when they may disagree with the powers above? Having had a few conversations with officers in the Force, I know I couldn't do their job, but really appreciate the way I've been treated when I have had dealings with them. They deal with the scum of the earth and it has to have an effect on their outlook on society, surely? I always treat them with the same respect and courtesy I treat anyone and have always had the same in return. People are people in all walks of life and most people just try to do their best. We'd be in real trouble if they walked off the job as some have in other countries. We may whinge if we get ticketed for what we consider a minor traffic offence, but surely if we are humble,, honest and apologise, we'd be more likely to get off with a warning wouldn't we? I know I have. (Didn't realise the Road User was a bit over in the truck...).:blink:

[Motoracer]

I have been pulled over by the cops more times than I can remember. Out of all thoes cases, I only had an arsehole cop once in my life. I hope it stays that way too, so I don't have anything against the cops ATM.

My theory is, if you get caught doing something illigal, take it in the chin.

[kro]

My theory is, if you get caught doing something illigal, take it in the chin.


Praise the Lord, a man with a clue !!!!!!

[Ixion]

Utter bollocks. This whole "you need to earn my respect" thing is crap, these people aspired to be upholders of the law, without which you would be living in a society of complete chaos, they deserve respect irrespective of your warped views.
..

I'll give them respect gratis , as the Queen's representatives, until they forfeit it. I must say that my own dealings with the plod (thankfully, infrequent - keep it like that guys, you don't wanta be bothered with a boring old fart like me, right) have been notable for courtesy and professionalism.

However , one does hear tales , and too many to all be exaggerated ,like Mr R1Madness's windscreen , which tell another tale. It takes only a few bad apples to tar the whole barrel (anyone who can mix metaphors better than that GO AWAY).

[Scouse]

If the system entitles him to diversion why shouldn't he get it? Because he's an All Black? Does being an AB make him more culpable than a non AB in the same situation?

Diversion has to be agreed to by the victim and by the courts. The offender has to complete diversionary tasks, if they don't they get the conviction and lose the option of diversion for any future offending. By the way, all this happens in the District Court.
Ah but the way I heard it on news talk the victim did not agree he said so himself on the phone

[spudchucka]

They aren't doing much to help themselves out !!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=497897#post497897

And the reported facts were that after the attack, the person bundled the dog in the car and scarpered - this was before it was revealed he was a policeman.
I spoke to an Inspector about this very incident last night and he confirmed that the reported facts you speak of were in fact wrong. Doesn't stop the Dom from printing whatever they feel like though.

[spudchucka]

Ah but the way I heard it on news talk the victim did not agree he said so himself on the phone
Didn't hear it myself so I can't comment. The victim agreeing to diversion is one of the usual standards applied to the diversionary process. Thats not to say there may be some cases where it is approved without their consent. Whether that was the case with Lauaki I couldn't say.

[madboy]

So, Kronos, you're saying I should automatically respect someone who stops me, and in response to "What contribution are you currently making to road safety?" can't answer the question, and doesn't even have the balls to say the reason they're giving me a ticket is because I was exceeding the speed limit, not because I was necessarily doing anything dangerous? And I should automatically respect people who abuse their authority by fabricating information on a summary of facts? And I should automatically respect someone who willfully damages my vehicle (baton through windscreen) just because he couldn't catch me until then? Not to mention the hypocrisy of these fellas exceeding the speed limit at will (65 in a 50 folks) and then issueing tickets to others for that. And the HP fella who pulls me over, listens to my explanation of why I had no WOF/Reg/Front bumper, that I'm currently working that night and need my car, and won't be finishing until such and such time. Tells me to make sure I go straight home after work, and if he sees me out any later will ticket me. So for once I did what I was told... and got a ticket in the mail within a week. WTF? These are people I should automatically respect?

My view may be warped by exposure to too many bad cops. And I'm not saying they're all bad, I've met a few who really were professional and appeared to have ethics and integrity. But if saying that our force is worth respect because it's better than Vietnam, you might as well be saying we don't have a drug problem becuase it's nothing like Thailand. I wish I could live with your naivity.

[Pixie]

Utter bollocks.
these people aspired to be upholders of the law, without which you would be living in a society of complete chaos)
That is utter bollocks.
There are many societies in the world were there is little police presence,often the police in many societies are busy earning a living collecting bribes because they can't live on their salaries.
In these societies people just get on with their lives,there is no "chaos".

Where there is chaos,the population tries to escape.
Sudan for instance.

[Patrick]

So, Kronos, you're saying I should automatically respect someone who stops me, and in response to "What contribution are you currently making to road safety?" can't answer the question, and doesn't even have the balls to say the reason they're giving me a ticket is because I was exceeding the speed limit, not because I was necessarily doing anything dangerous? And I should automatically respect people who abuse their authority by fabricating information on a summary of facts? And I should automatically respect someone who willfully damages my vehicle (baton through windscreen) just because he couldn't catch me until then? [/I][/I]

(1) So you attract our attention alot do you???

Not to mention the hypocrisy of these fellas exceeding the speed limit at will (65 in a 50 folks)

(2) Yeah, fair call... we get speed camera tickets too, unless we are on our way to a job...

and then issueing tickets to others for that. And the HP fella who pulls me over, listens to my explanation of why I had no WOF/Reg/Front bumper, that I'm currently working that night and need my car, and won't be finishing until such and such time. Tells me to make sure I go straight home after work, and if he sees me out any later will ticket me. So for once I did what I was told... and got a ticket in the mail within a week. WTF?

(3)That is a bummer... shame some aren't true to their word, but I repeat SOME...(very few, in my 21 years experience).

These are people I should automatically respect?

(4)See earlier response... sounds like you attract our attention a lot... when we could be out there doing something productive...

My view may be warped by exposure to too many bad cops. And I'm not saying they're all bad,

(5) Good recovery...could have fooled me though...

I've met a few who really were professional and appeared to have ethics and integrity. But if saying that our force is worth respect because it's better than Vietnam, you might as well be saying we don't have a drug problem becuase it's nothing like Thailand. I wish I could live with your naivity.

I talk to everyone how I would like them to talk to me...too often though, they up the ante coz they can/are pissed/ are too stupid to realise they can get a warning or getting free advice... After 5-10 minutes you get sick of trying to be nice to someone swearing/spitting performing like a trained seal and you take action. THAT is the ONLY part the shithead remembers and they make out they are the poor innocent party and naughty Policeman was mean and nasty to him when he didn't even do anything wrong...

Wish I had a $$$ for every time I heard that old lemon....

Then you hear about it coz he told somes mates mates neighbour's sister who told her friends hairdressers mothers lesbian lovers kid... must be true then. (No insults intended to hairdressers or lesbians, just two occupations that came up...can I register as a lesbian?)

Two sides to every story ay? But go with the sensationalised one eyed crap coz it sounds much better than the reality. Where else can you spend $0.02these days anyhow?

[Grumpy]

You call a guy a prick enough times sooner or later he's going to act like a prick.

How can someone deal with the shit a cop has to day in and day out and not be affected by it?

[Patrick]

Yeah... they often tell ya how they will rape ya Mrs and kill ya kids while swearing spitting and abusing you, but you call him a dick with nothing else added either at the end of it all...seen how upset they get with that???!!!!

P.C.A. and all....bossess telling you off for being unprofessional, etc...etc...

[Sketchy_Racer]

**snip**

My theory is, if you get caught doing something illigal, take it in the chin.

yes thats is good.

but sometimes there is a reason for this thing called 'descretion'. Cops dont seem to have much any more. (although some still do)
now i still believe that if you get caught doing 150 kph or something silly like that, It serves you right.

there was a write up in a Kiwi rider mag a year ago (i think) about it.

[marty]

discretion is used occasionally. just yesterday a hp mate of mine stopped in for a donut and coffee, and told me about this green motorbike out pukeatua way that he clocked at 235, and just watched him ride by, thinking 'jeez i hope he knows what he's doing'.....

[Scouse]

discretion is used occasionally. just yesterday a hp mate of mine stopped in for a donut and coffee, and told me about this green motorbike out pukeatua way that he clocked at 235, and just watched him ride by, thinking 'jeez i hope he knows what he's doing'..... Does he seem to think that at 235kph he had an option to chase and catch this guy

[marty]

can't fucklin win can ya. obviously too subtle to some, the point was, he didn't even try.

[Colapop]

That is utter bollocks.
There are many societies in the world were there is little police presence,often the police in many societies are busy earning a living collecting bribes because they can't live on their salaries.
In these societies people just get on with their lives,there is no "chaos".

Where there is chaos,the population tries to escape.
Sudan for instance.
You say little police presence not 'no' police presence. If the police in those countries that you allude to do their job that well, and theere is little propensity in that culture for people to commit crime then those places will appear to be comparitively un-policed.
But as you have said in countries where there is no police presence there is complete chaos and people are always trying to leave ie. Sudan.

Where there are no societal controls the law of the strongest prevails. Whether it's strength in terms of physical strength or phschological strength. Have we in NZ gotten so caught up in the, usually media generated, hype that we are unable to take on the responsibilty of our actions? We have established in this thread that the police in NZ are under resoursed and under staffed. How can we expect service from an organisation that has been treated by, succesive, governments so poorly - with progressively higher demands?

[terbang]

I have mates who are either cops or ex-cops and they all know my views on traffic policing in this country. Some of them are not fans of aviators and also think that thier dentist is a rip off pian merchant. Until we become a police state I guess we are allowed to have our opinions and our say (right or wrong). If people don't like what they see here or on any chat group, there is allways the back button.

[kro]

That is utter bollocks.
There are many societies in the world were there is little police presence,often the police in many societies are busy earning a living collecting bribes because they can't live on their salaries.
In these societies people just get on with their lives,there is no "chaos".



Name some of these societies, I am genuinely curious. This is not a challenge to justify your comment, but a chance for me to further my learning, I love reading.

[scumdog]

I feel I could arguably justify a thread on the useless public, I'm sick of their constant bickering, they're hopeless, they can't organise their own lives, they lie, they steal, they speed, they sell drugs, they abuse cops, they abuse children, they whinge on KB how they got done wrong, the list is endless.....:slap:

But I just get on with my life and have a laugh or two at the KB anti-cop whinging brigade.:laugh: :killingme

[marty]

I have mates who are either cops or ex-cops and they all know my views on traffic policing in this country. Some of them are not fans of aviators and also think that thier dentist is a rip off pian merchant. Until we become a police state I guess we are allowed to have our opinions and our say (right or wrong). If people don't like what they see here or on any chat group, there is allways the back button.

geez imagine being an aviating ex cop........

[scumdog]

geez imagine being an aviating ex cop........

Oh, the angst, the mental torture, the public loathing, the list here too is endless...:blank:

Could be worse, could be a member of the public!:weird: :shake:

[mikey]

discretion is used occasionally. just yesterday a hp mate of mine stopped in for a donut and coffee, and told me about this green motorbike out pukeatua way that he clocked at 235, and just watched him ride by, thinking 'jeez i hope he knows what he's doing'.....

more like couldn catch him\ if he an the whole force tried. but call it discretion if you will

[scumdog]

more like couldn catch him\ if he an the whole force tried. but call it discretion if you will

Whatever.

Isn't it time you took the pip and left this site again?:shake: :rofl:

[mikey]

yeh short attention span so give me a few minutes an ill be out of here. few weeks an ill go for a while. not like you though. going away on holiday an still checkin in on kb.

[scumdog]

yeh short attention span so give me a few minutes an ill be out of here. few weeks an ill go for a while. not like you though. going away on holiday an still checkin in on kb.


Yeah well how else are ya going to be able to skite to so many people about your extravagant overseas holiday??:msn-wink: :innocent: :laugh: :killingme

[mikey]

Yeah well how else are ya going to be able to skite to so many people about your extravagant overseas holiday??:msn-wink: :innocent: :laugh: :killingme


haha good call chief wiggam. if only. i might jump aboard a boat to fiji one of these days.

[terbang]

Oh, the angst, the mental torture, the public loathing, the list here too is endless...:blank:

Could be worse, could be a member of the public!:weird: :shake:

Time to get your head straightened out there old bean you are starting to sound rather bitter and twisted..! If the jobs getting to you then its time for a change or it will sink you..

[terbang]

geez imagine being an aviating ex cop........

Quite a few do and I have flown with many of them, a lot are top blokes doing well in the industry.. One or two, perhaps from previous senior positions, with elevated views of themselves (or a degraded view of us mortals) struggled with being trainees/copilots to regular members of the public (possibly younger as well) figuring that thier highly trained background made them better, only weeded themselves out of the industry..

[scumdog]

Time to get your head straightened out there old bean you are starting to sound rather bitter and twisted..! If the jobs getting to you then its time for a change or it will sink you..

Don't worry, I was BORN bitter and twisted and have a black-belt rank in cynicism too!
Just twisting things around to show how it would sound from a 180 degre turnaround.
Imagine if all law-related workers ranted on like my post?
Yet a lot of people go on ad nauseum from the 'anti-pig' perspective and few comment about THAT!
Except the originator of this thread of course!! (and actually a few other who are not quite so vocal as the 'anti-pig' crew).