Biker down... :(

[Kornholio]

Just seen on Channel 3 ads for the news that a bike crashed either into or in front of a big group of bikes... Watch TV3 news at 6pm for more

I hope all involved are OK :shit:

[Scorpygirl]

No they are not OK mate. 1 dead and 9 in hospital - some very serious. :cry:

Check this article out on the NZ Herald website.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10367925

[froggyfrenchman]

not the sort of thing anyone likes to hear about...

But in saying that, bugger all symapthy for them. It was the outlaws poker run that was held yesterday. We saw them at the Patangata pub at lunchtime yesterday and there were alot of VERY pissed riders and the smell of weed filled the air. It was 1pm and they had been riding and stopping at pubs all morning and had many pubs to go when we left them. If any of the guys involved passed a blood alcahol test i will be very suprised!

[sAsLEX]

Condolences to all involved

[froggyfrenchman]

isnt it strange how the news never mentioned pubs or booze once? normally the media would be jumping all over that sorta story

[raster]

Sad end to a fantastic day in Auckland
Please pass on my condolences to those affected.

[nudemetalz]

Oh that's shocking,...really sad...

[quickbuck]

isnt it strange how the news never mentioned pubs or booze once? normally the media would be jumping all over that sorta story
Yes it is strange that booze wasn't mentioned.

Poker runs (involving booze) on bikes isn't a good idea.

Been on some in a cage, and that was heaps of fun. (I was sober driver, and still had a ball).

Still, it is very tragic, and my condolences go to all.

[froggyfrenchman]

yes it is sad, but the whole idea of that ride was to get pissed and ride in convoy from bar to bar, kinda asking for it. I do feel for the people who have been affected by this.... im not heartless, admitadly i was at that pub on a bike. But knowing your and the legal limits is advisable

[marty]

is see the press in their usually accurate reporting called it a nissan - it was a mitsi.

ride hard/die early. not much point being an outlaw biker if you're scared of dying though is there.

[igor]

Just seen on Channel 3 ads for the news that a bike crashed either into or in front of a big group of bikes... Watch TV3 news at 6pm for more

:

what a great way to promote motorcycling.

[Kornholio]

is see the press in their usually accurate reporting called it a nissan - it was a mitsi.

crashed into the front bikers? how many across the road i wonder....

Dunno but he got the first one head-on then ploughed into 10 others... 1 dead and 10 or so in hospital with serious injuries.....Damn

[fliplid]

Not nice... RIP, and condolences

[froggyfrenchman]

it was a poker run organised by the outlaws, most of the bikes there wernt olutlaws or any patched club

[marty]

ok. i thought i saw a virago there somewhere

[igor]

it was a poker run organised by the outlaws, most of the bikes there wernt olutlaws or any patched club

so we should have as much sympathy as if a member of Al Queda blew himself up accidently.

[igor]

ok. i thought i saw a virago there somewhere


send ya CV to TV3, i am sure the job is yours already. $400000 a year ok.

[Bonez]

It was a head on hmmmmmmmmmm. Could this been another case a somebody showing off expecting a "cage" to get out of there way? Sympathy goes to the dead pillions family and most of those injured. I'll reserve judgment on the rider that collected the car when all the facts are in.

[igor]

I'll reserve judgment on the rider that collected the car when all the facts are in.


facts, this is kiwibiker

no facts needed here just one eyed judgement

[Meanie]

It was a head on hmmmmmmmmmm. Could this been another case a somebody showing off expecting a "cage" to get out of there way? Sympathy goes to the dead pillions family and most of those injured. I'll reserve judgment on the rider that collected the car when all the facts are in.
I,m with you bones but i cant help wondering why anyone would mix booze and bikes they just dont go together
Dam, the roads are dangerous enough

[idb]

I never go on large group rides.
Here is the very reason why.

If it turns out that drink was involved then it was the rider's decision to drink - not the organisers.
I hope they don't get crucified on that basis.

[Jackrat]

ok. i thought i saw a virago there somewhere

Cheeky bugger!!! That was more worthy of,,,,me.
Wonder how long before he reacts??:whistle:

[Virago]

Dunno but he got the first one head-on then ploughed into 10 others... 1 dead and 10 or so in hospital with serious injuries.....Damn
From what I heard, the driver did not get the first one head-on, the biker got him head-on. Slight difference....

[Bonez]

From what I heard, the driver did not get the first one head-on, the biker got him head-on. Slight difference....

That's exactly how I understood it too. Why is it when a cage is involved they always seem to get the blame?

[idb]

That's exactly how I understood it too. Why is it when a cage is involved they always seem to get the blame?
TV3 news was careful not to emphasise blame I thought.
They said that it appeared that the biker tried a dodgy passing manoeuvre and left it at that.

[Bonez]

TV3 news was careful not to emphasise blame I thought.
They said that it appeared that the biker tried a dodgy passing manoeuvre and left it at that.
He may not even have been part of the run, just attemting to get around a large group of fellow motorcyclists and fucked it up for everyone else.

[cowboyz]

He may not even have been part of the run, just attemting to get around a large group of fellow motorcyclists and fucked it up for everyone else.

To start with I never saw the article. I only know about it from what has been posted on this thread and the hearld report.

Although might be a bit of a stretch there bonez. I think it would be pretty safe to assume that he was in the group. Not withstanding that when in any group, everyone is responsible for their own actions. This is why I never spout on in a group about everyone riding at their own pace. Not my bike, not my life. Just don't take me out if you are going to do something stupid.

It would appear that this guy got over zealous and screwed it up and unfortunately took out 10 other bikers. I feel for the other bikers and the poor guy in the car.



Of course, my entire post is made of my opinion (waiting for negative rep from inlinefour) and only based on the limited information I have about the incident as I see it now.

[Waylander]

That's exactly how I understood it too. Why is it when a cage is involved they always seem to get the blame?
Because most of the time they are at fault. No it was not a gang ride and a vast majority of poker runs (even the one run by gangs) have nothing to do with alchohol. Maybe you peaple should try going on a few of them.

Who really cares who is at fault, a fellow biker is dead. Show some respect.

[Scorpygirl]

Because most of the time they are at fault. No it was not a gang ride and a vast majority of poker runs (even the one run by gangs) have nothing to do with alchohol. Maybe you peaple should try going on a few of them.

Who really cares who is at fault, a fellow biker is dead. Show some respect.

Waylander, I was the second to post on this thread. RIP and condolences to all involved!! :weep: I never blamed anyone just wanted to let people know what I had read, right or wrong.

[_Gina_]

Isn't where the accident occured a round-a-bout?

[Bonez]

No it was not a gang ride and a vast majority of poker runs (even the one run by gangs) have nothing to do with alchohol. I do hope you noted I made no reference to alcohol or any so called "gang" ride all.

Why'll we are on the subject-

http://bikernews.obworld.com/?d=links&p=links&cmd=view&cat=1%20Percenter

[Virago]

Because most of the time they are at fault........Who really cares who is at fault, a fellow biker is dead. Show some respect.
Yep, I take your point Waylander, about showing some respect for a fallen biker. But it wrong for people to wade into the discussion with the usual "Effing Cager" type attitude. It appears at this stage that the cage driver was also an innocent victim. He must be shattered - and he also deserves some respect.

[babyB]

IMHO it dosent matter what happend at this stage the point is..

i send my Condolences to to all thoses involved, it is a sad day
and well wishes & speedy recovery to those injured
my heart goses out to u all.

[Bonez]

Yep, I take your point Waylander, about showing some respect for a fallen biker. But it wrong for people to wade into the discussion with the usual "Effing Cager" type attitude. It appears at this stage that the cage driver was also an innocent victim. He must be shattered - and he also deserves some respect.
My point exactly.

[motobull]

RIP , and thoughts for his friends and fam at this time

[Bonez]

RIP , and thoughts for his friends and fam at this time
Well said. Hey motobull some feedback on the GT250 is required -
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=507917#post507917

[Scorpygirl]

RIP , and thoughts for his friends and fam at this time

He is a SHE, a pillion and her husband is in a very serious condition in Hawkes Bay Hospital!!! RIP :crybaby:

[motobull]

my bad Scorpygirl , I knew that too..:mellow:

[bugjuice]

The rider helped the driver of the car.
thats actually nice to read (if its true), instead of all the bikers piling in on them.

condolences to all involved

[dangerous]

No it was not a gang ride and a vast majority of poker runs (even the one run by gangs) have nothing to do with alchohol. Maybe you peaple should try going on a few of them.

Who really cares who is at fault, a fellow biker is dead. Show some respect.
Get over it ya god damn do gooder, If in fact this biker was in the wrong then he should get the shit that the cage drivers do here...... ya know it dosent matter if the riders were gang related or not.... nor does it matter if those involved were drinking, hell it could have been me that fucked up, either way poker runs "do" involve drinking for the majority of riders.... this is why I do not do many of them as by just being there I'm condoning drinking and riding.

BTW yes I have done many a poker run


Yep, I take your point Waylander, about showing some respect for a fallen biker. But it wrong for people to wade into the discussion with the usual "Effing Cager" type attitude. It appears at this stage that the cage driver was also an innocent victim. He must be shattered - and he also deserves some respect.
Yip..... well said V, if in fact the cage driver did nothing wrong..... poor bastard will have to live with that for the rest of their life, that sucks

[Krusti]

My thoughts go out to all involved...gave both of us a bit of a shock!..talked to a mate down that way..he knows the guy with the triumph shown on news..rekons 19 bikes taken out!

As far as making judgments about who organised or who was on the ride the one thing social motorcycling has taught me is that you can never judge a book by it's cover.

As for poker runs.....we love them...alltho there is allways the odd dick head who drinks too much...I normally smile to my self when I see these 'tuff' bikers ordering orange juice at the bar.

And.......by the way .....I'm back!

[Sniper]

Bugger, all my thouht go to those involved and those affected.

[Pixie]

Dunno but he got the first one head-on then ploughed into 10 others... 1 dead and 10 or so in hospital with serious injuries.....Damn
Wrong.
The biker arsehole (probably pissed/stoned) hit the SUV because he was doing a dodgy passing manouvre.

[placidfemme]

RIP for the pillion and condolences to her family... regardless of who was wrong it is still a shame that this happened. :(

[deathstar]

just heard on the morning news that it was a biker group fundrasier in hawkes bay where 1 biker crossed the centre line into a 4 x 4 which then went out of control into 4 other bikers 4 are still in intensive care and 1 women died .... this is what happens when people take risks with others lives it was crap that he crossed the centre line but had his wife on the bike behind and 40 bikes behind him .... if your on here mate Sorry for your loss

[skidz]

Yep, bad news for everyone in the poker run. Been on heaps of poker runs and there are pub stops on most of them. The pubs do serve non alcoholic drinks as well, as many riders don't want to get done. Who's to say that he was pissed, or may have been on points duty and trying to get ahead. Don't worry about the assumptions and just think about all the people affected in this tragic event.

[froggyfrenchman]

Isn't where the accident occured a round-a-bout?

From how the news described it you could assume that, however knowing the area (and not beeing able to get home due to the closed road) i can tell you it was a "T" intersection with highway 50 turning... ie they had to turn left to stay on 50 or could keep going straight and the road chances name to Maraekakaho rd

I have attached a crappy map with highway 50 in red and included the roundabout you are thinking of

[_Gina_]

Yep, bad news for everyone in the poker run. Been on heaps of poker runs and there are pub stops on most of them. The pubs do serve non alcoholic drinks as well, as many riders don't want to get done. Who's to say that he was pissed, or may have been on points duty and trying to get ahead. Don't worry about the assumptions and just think about all the people affected in this tragic event.

My parents run the Tikokino Pub and Dad said that virtually no one was drinking alcohol. (Remembering that there were a few support cars with the group.) He said they were sucking back the O/J's and Raspberry and Lemonade while they waited for the Leader of the Outlaws and his bike to turn up (apparently he was stung by a bee and was allergic....)
The Tikokino Pub was the last pub they would have been at before the accident occurred.

[froggyfrenchman]

Its great to hear that they were sensible enough to stop drinking. Buy the way, great pub, shame its on such a boring road...

[notme]

That's exactly how I understood it too. Why is it when a cage is involved they always seem to get the blame?

Statistics.

[RiderInBlack]

Now is not the time for judgement (leave that to the local CSI). My thoughts are with all those involved in this accident, especial the rider who has lost his wife to this accident:(