sv 1000 s

[wil2]

been really considering the buell uly but really cant justify spending the $20,000 price tag for something that will sit about most of the time and is basically a hobby. my other thoughts are sv1000s very torquey and very appealing $12,500. thing is i hate the riding position, well handlebar height. my question is does anyone do a complete kit to fit renthals. i.e
extended cables, top yoke and risers, extended braided hoses clutch and brake, higher resevoir mount. i know the full kit is available in the uk for $1000 400 pounds but would rather buy here if i go for it.

thanks

[dangerous]

Cant answer the question sorry, so why not try a VTR1000 Firestorm? very nice riding position somwere between the Buell and SV

[wil2]

really dont like hondas, they are good admitedly in evry sense but always seem boring, noone ever bought firestorms in the uk and i really dislike the firestorm, alot.

[dangerous]

really dont like hondas, they are good admitedly in evry sense but always seem boring, noone ever bought firestorms in the uk and i really dislike the firestorm, alot.
well ok then..... your loss

[APPLE]

been really considering the buell uly but really cant justify spending the $20,000 price tag for something that will sit about most of the time and is basically a hobby. my other thoughts are sv1000s very torquey and very appealing $12,500. thing is i hate the riding position, well handlebar height. my question is does anyone do a complete kit to fit renthals. i.e
extended cables, top yoke and risers, extended braided hoses clutch and brake, higher resevoir mount. i know the full kit is available in the uk for $1000 400 pounds but would rather buy here if i go for it.

thanks
how about a suzuki bandit mate?Te awamutu,thats one town i could live in?

[LaggCity]

Yep I love my 1000s but hate the riding position get numb hands all the time, if you find out a cheaper way to raise the bar position I would be keen to know. Cheers:argh:

[dangerous]

why doesnt anybody buy firestorms in the uk?
Buggered if I know wht shit hes on about, I belonged to the UK VTR forum..... 1000+ members :tugger:

[SpankMe]

http://www.sv-portal.com All the SV1k info you'll ever need.

[wil2]

Buggered if I know wht shit hes on about, I belonged to the UK VTR forum..... 1000+ members :tugger:



1000 members mmmm, that really does show how popular they are, not. i only said i didnt like them i didnt ask for abuse, thanks.

[wil2]

Yep I love my 1000s but hate the riding position get numb hands all the time, if you find out a cheaper way to raise the bar position I would be keen to know. Cheers:argh:

www.banditmania.co.uk

is a good site if you have not been there, just go and have a look around. they do the kit but you could buy the brake/clutch lines in nz

[manuboy]

Ignore D - he abandoned his VTR as soon as he found something uglier :baby:

:finger:

Can't remember where, but i've seen adjustable clip-on's that don't involve all the guff you mentioned - adjustment can be made alomst instantly which is nice if you wanna tour then scratch.

Personally, i have no probs with the riding pos - all comes down to "bike fitness" i reckon. The more you ride it the more natural the position gets.

[dangerous]

i didnt ask for abuse, thanks.
Ohhhhhhhhhh nooooooooo, you are new round here aint ya, If ya hang around KB expect a shit load of what you call abuse, we call it general banter :msn-wink:


Ignore D - he abandoned his VTR as soon as he found something uglier :finger:

Well...... I never abandoned the VTR when I meet you and by fuk you are ugly cool but very ugly, mate your boxer looks hotter than you :shake:

BTW wil2, did you see the smiley manugirl used....... now thats abuse, and it turns me on.... just kidding man just kidding :blink:

[marty]

shit and i had a great TL i could have sold ya!

i'd be looking at a VFR800. great bike for the waikato countryside. not as good as a 'busa but......

[98tls]

go have a look at TLPLANET.COM they have a seperate forum for the sv,i think you will find anything and everything you need to know about your sv there.

[Teflon]

I've seen a few examples of poor build quality from the SV range.

[Damon]

really dont like hondas, they are good admitedly in evry sense but always seem boring, noone ever bought firestorms in the uk and i really dislike the firestorm, alot.


Boring? :eek5: have you tested one? give it a go, i haven't tried an SV but i have tried the TLS and R and even though it's not quite as fast the VTR is more fun, you shouldn't count it out just because it's a Honda or "no-one" in the UK rides them :dodge:

[Rashika]

I'm confused...
isn't the buell Ulysses and the SV, two completely and utterly different bikes.

How could they even compare? I know which i'd prefer ...but thats just me :msn-wink:

[Oscar]

I'm confused...
isn't the buell Ulysses and the SV, two completely and utterly different bikes.

How could they even compare? I know which i'd prefer ...but thats just me :msn-wink:


I agree.
You should be looking a V Strom.

[HenryDorsetCase]

why not buy a SV1000 (the non faired one?) the bars are higher and the pegs fruther forward? theres a real good one on Tardme for $9000 at present with decent mufflers. I have a little GIVI clip on fairing I could sell you for cheap. Its silver so you'd need to paint it.

[slob]

why not buy a SV1000 (the non faired one?) the bars are higher and the pegs fruther forward? theres a real good one on Tardme for $9000 at present with decent mufflers. I have a little GIVI clip on fairing I could sell you for cheap. Its silver so you'd need to paint it.

I think Suzuki stopped producing the naked SV (possibly after the first year of production) - didn't sell well I guess. I've been keeping an eye out for them on Trademe, but haven't seen anything in the last 3 months! I might just streetfighter a TL1000S instead! :Punk:

[The Stranger]

Isn't it about time this was settled once and for all.

Can we please have a couple of punters one with an SV and one with a VTR and get it sorted please so all the bulls#*t can stop.

[Grahameeboy]

Isn't it about time this was settled once and for all.

Can we please have a couple of punters one with an SV and one with a VTR and get it sorted please so all the bulls#*t can stop.

I have the 05 Suzuki..in red....love it..lots of power, nice sound from standard pipes....slipper clutch is real good....say on Coro Loop you can change down to 1st for the 25k bends with no problems. No slipper clutch on Firestorm....makes all down changes at speed real easy....nice tall 1st gear too.

Firestorm is heavier and less power.

Handling...I needed to increase pre-load back and front amd much better but $300 at Coleman's will really sort....when I can afford it......can twitch a little when braking from speed and changing down but could just be e effects of the V Twin lump....this is my first V Twin.

More expensive than Firestorm....in UK RRP is cheaper...wired eh?

Rear brake a bit poofy and sometimes bites wen least expected.

Guess there are no bad 1000cc sports bikes these days and I have not ridden the Honda........looks/spec wise I think te SV wins.....especially in red...

[Rashika]

Guess there are no bad 1000cc sports bikes these days and I have not ridden the Honda........looks/spec wise I think te SV wins.....especially in red...

so you haven't ridden the Honda, guess you cant really compare bike to bike huh?

Dangerous is the only one I know who has ridden both (.....I think... given that both have lived in his garage, its prob a good guess)

i have sat on both :yeah: preferred the VTR

[The Stranger]

Firestorm is heavier and less power.


You can't just look at a spec sheet and say less power.
Does it have less horsepower? or less torque?

Horsepower = (Torque * RPM) /5252 so the horsepower figure is more easily skewed by the addition of RPM i.e it is way easier to add 1,000 rpm to a motor than 1,000ft/lb of torque. Give me a 100ft/lb of torque over a 1,000 rpm any day.

Not only that at what point is the torque delivered.
The X11 engine is a retuned Blackbird engine.
Look at the specs.
Blackbird-11500 RPM, 112n/m of torque, 165 HP
X11-10,500 RPM, 116n/m of torque, 130 HP

The key difference is the torque delivery. The torque on the Blackbird only really starts to kick in at around 6,000 and pulls to 10,500 rpm.

On the X11 it kicks in at 3,000k rpm and pulls to 9,500 rpm.

Seat of the pants, the X11 will out accellerate the Blackbird and have no problem taking it in a roll on. The Blackbird will out top end the X11, but who wants to over 250kmh on a naked bike anyway?

So just because the spec sheet says one has more horsepower or one has more torque don't mean it is going to go quicker. And we haven't even started on handling.

[Grahameeboy]

so you haven't ridden the Honda, guess you cant really compare bike to bike huh?

Dangerous is the only one I know who has ridden both (.....I think... given that both have lived in his garage, its prob a good guess)

i have sat on both :yeah: preferred the VTR

Thats fair enough.......

[Grahameeboy]

You can't just look at a spec sheet and say less power.
Does it have less horsepower? or less torque?

Horsepower = (Torque * RPM) /5252 so the horsepower figure is more easily skewed by the addition of RPM i.e it is way easier to add 1,000 rpm to a motor than 1,000ft/lb of torque. Give me a 100ft/lb of torque over a 1,000 rpm any day.

Not only that at what point is the torque delivered.
The X11 engine is a retuned Blackbird engine.
Look at the specs.
Blackbird-11500 RPM, 112n/m of torque, 165 HP
X11-10,500 RPM, 116n/m of torque, 130 HP

The key difference is the torque delivery. The torque on the Blackbird only really starts to kick in at around 6,000 and pulls to 10,500 rpm.

On the X11 it kicks in at 3,000k rpm and pulls to 9,500 rpm.

Seat of the pants, the X11 will out accellerate the Blackbird and have no problem taking it in a roll on. The Blackbird will out top end the X11, but who wants to over 250kmh on a naked bike anyway?

So just because the spec sheet says one has more horsepower or one has more torque don't mean it is going to go quicker. And we haven't even started on handling.

Geeze, after 8 months of being a monk I had sex last night and I cannot handle all this tech stuff.....but checked specs and;

Suzuki
120ps
102nm at 7,200 rpm

Honda
105ps
93nm at 7,000 rpm

Does this help?

[Damon]

Geeze, after 8 months of being a monk I had sex last night and I cannot handle all this tech stuff.....but checked specs and;

Suzuki
120ps
102nm at 7,200 rpm

Honda
105ps
93nm at 7,000 rpm

Does this help?

According to my seatofthepantsometer, specs mean shit, my poor heavy under powerd VTR kept up with a TLR around puke and he had 135hp+, he had a little on me over 200k's but someone has played with my suspension and mine handled better, my recomendation is ride them to decide.

Does anyone have a slightly worked SV (cans, brakes?) for me to try to resolve the debate?

[manuboy]

What's to compare here? I've ridden both and i prefer the SV. But i doubt i could've lost the VTR until 200+km/h and he couldn't have lost me when we were both really punting it on decent scratch roads.

If you wanna argue performance and are that worried go get a zx10/gxxr/r1/blade and stop worrying about anything else if you're that good a rider.

It's all personal preference. Decide for yourself.

[imdying]

If you wanna argue performance and are that worried go get a zx10/gxxr/r1/blade and stop worrying about anything else if you're that good a rider.Well said, bling for you!

[Grahameeboy]

According to my seatofthepantsometer, specs mean shit, my poor heavy under powerd VTR kept up with a TLR around puke and he had 135hp+, he had a little on me over 200k's but someone has played with my suspension and mine handled better, my recomendation is ride them to decide.

Does anyone have a slightly worked SV (cans, brakes?) for me to try to resolve the debate?

I know, I was just responding to a post and thought it would be interesting to know...

[Grahameeboy]

What's to compare here? I've ridden both and i prefer the SV. But i doubt i could've lost the VTR until 200+km/h and he couldn't have lost me when we were both really punting it on decent scratch roads.

If you wanna argue performance and are that worried go get a zx10/gxxr/r1/blade and stop worrying about anything else if you're that good a rider.

It's all personal preference. Decide for yourself.

You are right....followed a mate on a Firestorm and it was only when I opened my SV out that the difference was made........

[The_Dover]

I've ridden both, riding a VTR right now as the gixxer is in for a service, and the SV wins hands down. Better engine, better handling, better looking.

And it's not a Honda and therefore not gay. Like boomer and all other honda riders.

[Grahameeboy]

I've ridden both, riding a VTR right now as the gixxer is in for a service, and the SV wins hands down. Better engine, better handling, better looking.

And it's not a Honda and therefore not gay. Like boomer and all other honda riders.

I can personally vouch that Boomer is not gay.......sorry too much detail again!!

[Teflon]

On the road there would be bugger all in it. Comparing my old vtr to the tlr i own now, the tlr would leave the vtr for dead over 200 clicks.

VTR is a very underrated bike, and would be my choice between the two.

[The_Dover]

I can personally vouch that Boomer is not gay.......sorry too much detail again!!

Just cos he turned you down dont mean he wont turn around.:buggerd:

[boomer]

who's vouching for who??

[dangerous]

all this tech stuff.....but checked specs and;

Suzuki
120ps
102nm at 7,200 rpm

Honda
105ps
93nm at 7,000 rpm

Does this help?
No cos its very wrong.................

The TL has 120hp
The curent SV has 108
The VTR has always had 110hp

BTW hp & ps are the same


I've ridden both, riding a VTR right now as the gixxer is in for a service, and the SV wins hands down. Better engine, better handling, better looking.

And it's not a Honda and therefore not gay. Like boomer and all other honda riders.
but........ comming from you this info means shit.... nothing but compleat and utter shit :rolleyes:

And yes both bike sat in my garage for quite some time so I spent a lot of time on both, to differant bikes The SV does have more top end but thats bout it
(SV more suited for the track)

[bane]

No cos its very wrong.................

The TL has 120hp
The curent SV has 108
The VTR has always had 110hp

BTW hp & ps are the same



Suzuki still seem to be claiming 86.8kw, or just over 116hp for the SV1000S.

hp and ps are similar but not quite the same [ps *0.9831 = hp]... I know, i know... :whocares:

[manuboy]

As long as we're still debating

The VTR has a better build quality and some nice little touches. The position is def more upright. The sv is injected, the VTR is still not (as far as i know). Both bikes sound good with a decent set of pipes. The SV will have a slightly larger fuel range (i get 230-245 before i wuss out and gas up at legalish speeds).

But i forgot. The VTR was never on the menu till it was mentioned that they sucked right :whistle:

[dangerous]

Suzuki still seem to be claiming 86.8kw, or just over 116hp for the SV1000S.

hp and ps are similar but not quite the same [ps *0.9831 = hp]... I know, i know... :whocares:
yeah sorry I believe that the 05- was up'd in the hp a tad..... of course the SV is capable of more than the VTR due to its inj, but for some reason Suzuki want to keep it de tuned unlike the TL.



As long as we're still debating

The VTR has a better build quality and some nice little touches. The position is def more upright. The sv is injected, the VTR is still not (as far as i know). Both bikes sound good with a decent set of pipes. The SV will have a slightly larger fuel range (i get 230-245 before i wuss out and gas up at legalish speeds).

But i forgot. The VTR was never on the menu till it was mentioned that they sucked right :whistle:
Isent it past your bed time:woohoo: hey but ya right inj means way beter economy..... but ya have to love the way the VTR carbs dump a shit load a fuel at once and that rush a power comes on (bit slugish till then

[98tls]

i work with a guy who rides a sv only mods being a set of cans and pc2,he rode my TL mods being cans,tre,remap with a yosh box,to his dismay he really noticed the difference saying the tl felt alot stronger.as far as the vtr goes great bike but if you read anything other than honda advertisments then general consensus is the tl/sv motor is definately stronger,hard to really compare the tlr with a vtr,in every suituation i can think of the tlr would waste a vtr power wise and lets not forget a vtr isnt exactly overendowed with high performance suspension,all comes back to the same old story its all about rider ability.

[Teflon]

hard to really compare the tlr with a vtr,in every suituation i can think of the tlr would waste a vtr power wise and lets not forget a vtr isnt exactly overendowed with high performance suspension,all comes back to the same old story its all about rider ability.

I still believe the VTR is the better road bike, has more grunt under 6... forgiving and easier to ride hard..

[98tls]

better all rounder i guess,but not as much fun i reckon,plus in my opinion vtrs are almost as ugly as the sv.

[Teflon]

have to agree, the vtr does nothing for me in the looks department.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think Suzuki stopped producing the naked SV (possibly after the first year of production) - didn't sell well I guess. I've been keeping an eye out for them on Trademe, but haven't seen anything in the last 3 months! I might just streetfighter a TL1000S instead! :Punk:

not so, at least as far as I'm aware.

but streetfightering a TLS could be cool too

[wil2]

well i have started something here, pointless really after riding a 1200 banditS and really enjoying it i am going to get one:love: . i have always considered the bandit as a going to work bike and never really thought of it as a allround tourer/do everything bike, i was amazed how good it was, until yesterday i had only ever ridden the 600 bandit, 1200 is another bike alltogether and good for two up trips. cant believe i have overlooked this bike, now to find one.

buell was fantastic bike just cant justify the $20,000 pricetag and no second hand ones on the market yet, SVs is a v twin and awesome, just the riding position for me is a problem and i dont want to spend a $1000 modifying top yoke etc, the wife doesnt like seating position to much either. Bandit is neither one or the other and i know maybe no comparison to either but hey thats just the way it goes sometimes. been road and sport in hamilton, they have 3 all in metallic green, must have been a popular colour in 2003.

[Rashika]

well i have started something here, pointless really after riding a 1200 banditS and really enjoying it i am going to get one:love: . i have always considered the bandit as a going to work bike and never really thought of it as a allround tourer/do everything bike, i was amazed how good it was, until yesterday i had only ever ridden the 600 bandit, 1200 is another bike alltogether and good for two up trips. cant believe i have overlooked this bike, now to find one.

buell was fantastic bike just cant justify the $20,000 pricetag and no second hand ones on the market yet, SVs is a v twin and awesome, just the riding position for me is a problem and i dont want to spend a $1000 modifying top yoke etc, the wife doesnt like seating position to much either. Bandit is neither one or the other and i know maybe no comparison to either but hey thats just the way it goes sometimes. been road and sport in hamilton, they have 3 all in metallic green, must have been a popular colour in 2003.
well the Bandit 12 is at least one bike I have riden, very easy to ride too. I jumped straight on and threw the owner on the back and away :Punk:
She thought it was cool to be on the back of her bike too, found it a bit comfyer than she thought it might be.
Yeah you wont find any 2nd hand Ulysses for a couple of years yet as this is the first year of production, maybe just something to think about in a couple of years time when you get sick of the Bandit ;)

[Lou Girardin]

well i have started something here, pointless really after riding a 1200 banditS and really enjoying it i am going to get one:love: .

Another believer finds the way of truth and light.
Bless you my son.:woohoo:

[Edbear]

Very interesting thread! The end result just shows how diverse the biking choices are now and just how good a large variety of bikes are at a variety of roles. No-one mentioned the GSX1400 which I would have thought was a complement to the Bandit range. HAs anyone ridden these to compare? How does it rate? Though it's a naked it seems to have bulk torque and excellent fuel consumption and a comfy ride position? I want to like the VTR but it is just too ugly for my taste and has poor economy. Piped ones sound the biz though! Got put off the SV-S due to the riding position but like the looks and the engine.

[wil2]

Very interesting thread! The end result just shows how diverse the biking choices are now and just how good a large variety of bikes are at a variety of roles. No-one mentioned the GSX1400 which I would have thought was a complement to the Bandit range. HAs anyone ridden these to compare? How does it rate? Though it's a naked it seems to have bulk torque and excellent fuel consumption and a comfy ride position? I want to like the VTR but it is just too ugly for my taste and has poor economy. Piped ones sound the biz though! Got put off the SV-S due to the riding position but like the looks and the engine.

a friend of mine is disabled and i modify all his bikes to right hand gear change and thumb rear brake as he only has one leg, he had a gsx 1400 and i rode it before working on it, really nice bike but just a bit too heavy and clumsy feeling for me, very much a grunty bike and definatly bandit related, very wide feeling. i liked it but wouldnt want to own it if that makes sense.

[imdying]

Must resist urge to buy cheap injected 1000cc sportsbike...

[onearmedbandit]

Don't resist mate, join us forever!.

[imdying]

I hate shopping for new bikes... they'll be able to tell they've got me by the nuts as soon as I work in the store :lol:

Apparently their last stocked S sold last week, have to take the naked on a test ride.

[beyond]

Hiya,

Yep, have ridden a Bandit and own a GSX1400 after taking both for a good test run.

The Bandit is a good all rounder and I aint knocking it but I have read enough road reports on both and from my own tests to satisfy me that the 1400 is the bees knees.

Quote from the MCNews.com au site on tests:
"So would I have one of these or a Bandit. No question there, the GSX1400 has it all over the Bandit in every area that matters."

The GSX1400 has 106bhp but don't let that think it's not capable. It's more horsies than the Bandit but the torque is where it's really at. It's arm wrenching stuff and all the power is where you need it for every day riding, hard or soft.

The 14 is turning out 110NM at 3,000 RPM rising to 126NM at 5500 RPM
where the Bandit is below 30NM at 3500RPM rising to 83NM at 4,000RPM with max torques arriving at 86NM.

The 14 is not a lot heavier, has fantastic fuel injection and a six speed box for when you really want to be a hoon.

It's handles extremely well, is stable at speed on corners, cruises effortlessly two up with luggage, is comfortable and just a great all rounder.

I have a video clip of a stock 1400 doing 0-100kmh is 2.57 seconds, so it's no slouch. The lack of fairing means you get about 250kmh out of it with your face on the tank but the good thing is, you know you are doing the speeds you are doing.

Experienced riders have no trouble doing wheelies as long as you ride the torque wave and you can do stoppies on them if you're game.

In short, I love the 14. The engines not under stress ever and it will last for ever.

All you need to do is tune the suspension away from factory settings and then you will find few bikes will stay with you through the twisties.

Oh, Shaun Giles also rides one when not racing, as his bike of preference.

[imdying]

Oh yeah, and while I'm making an appraisal of its 'goods', are SVs restriced in ny gears? (i.e. does a tre mod apply here?)

/edit: ahhh no matter, google says they are.

[imdying]

Well, reminded me of my first bike, an SRX250 single four stroke. The midrange stomp was kinda cool, didn't notice the injection which is also cool. Certainly a whole lot rougher than my zx6r, nowhere near as smooth. As far as performance goes, it was about the same as my bike, no big leap that's for sure. Was kinda cool to ride though... I'm crap and slow, and getting lazy and old, so I think it'll fit me quite well.

Going to trademe my zx6r, probably BSE this weekend also. If you're looking for one in not bad nick, feel free to contact me. Not asking huge dollars, I know what the bike shop will trade it for, so I know how much I need. If it doesn't sell, I'll trade it, no worries :) Apparently there's a couple of black ones, and a dark blue one coming, first in best dressed, just have to decide what colour I'd like :)

[onearmedbandit]

Black dude, get the black one. Glad to hear you are going ahead with it.

[imdying]

Well I don't see why not, I need a change. Shame I'm so poor, it didn't make me yabba like a bitch like your thou did :lol:

[imdying]

Sooo, any real difference in cans from a 2003-2006 model? i.e. If I bought K3 cans, would they fit, or do worse things to the curve than buying 06 ones? I'm thinking they'll be fine, but thoughts would be good.


Oh yeah, and make your mates buy my bike!