I Crashed.... But I Didn't Bin it

[Two Smoker]

Hey everyone, well i knew it was going to happen and it happened today..

I went for a ride with Milky this afternoon and we took a turn off from Scenic Drive, he was leading. We entered the first hairpin that tightened up considerably and unexpectedly, Milky slowed and started braking a bit.

I now had two options:
1- to tighten my line and get more lean on, which i was capable of doing and could do, but the result of that would be smashing into the back end of Milky causing both of us to bin it and get hurt

Or 2- to gently brake and swing it a bit wide slightly onto the wrong side of the road (not completely on the wrong side)

I chose option 2..... Which was good in the end, but bad for me :( Well it was just my luck that a car was coming up the other way, i was doing about 30-40kmh and was hoping the car was going quick enough for me to just miss it and swing behind it... Thats what i would have liked to have happend......... Well my right peg hit the mag wheel of the car (creating a channel about 1 cm wide and deep right across the mag) and my front wheel grazed the car followed by my brake lever scratching the upper rear 3/4 panel, my fairing then proceeded to rip the rear bumper of the car completely off.....

This all happened and i didn't fall off:eek5: , I stayed on the bike and then stopped on the side of the road, to check damage exchange details and all the rest of it.... The stink thing was that Milky and I werent even going hard....

Result is:my bike now has a cracked lower fairing and smashed centre fairing (the one that holds the 2 lower fairings together), a hole in the radiator, a slightly bent right rear set and possibly twisted forks (only very slightly twisted though....)

I won't be riding it for the next week or 2 and i dont know how im going to survive:eek5: , well ill still be riding my work bike hehehe...

[SPman]

Bummer! Happens quick, doesnt it! And you dont need to be fanging it , either,

[6Chris6]

Hey everyone, well i knew it was going to happen and it happened today..
Sorry to hear that bud but seems F-in miraculous (and a credit to you) that you didn't come off.
Hope bike doesn't need too much money spent to get it sorted.
Good luck

[Ms Piggy]

Stink that your bike is a bit muntered but great news that you are ok!! :niceone:

Was the driver ok about it all?? :mellow:

[Two Smoker]

Stink that your bike is a bit muntered but great news that you are ok!! :niceone:

Was the driver ok about it all?? :mellow:
Hey guys, thanks for the comments :niceone: Yea CSL the guy was pretty good about it, he said he was amazed i stayed on the bike and didnt get hurt.

yea chris the damage is mainly cosmetic, but because i hit another car im claiming on insurance (which i know will cause problems when i insure my next bike:brick: ) $400 for the excess.....

[wkid_one]

Hey everyone, well i knew it was going to happen and it happened today..

I went for a ride with Milky this afternoon and we took a turn off from Scenic Drive, he was leading. We entered the first hairpin that tightened up considerably and unexpectedly, Milky slowed and started braking a bit.

You were obviously following way to close if you ran the risk of going up Milky's muffler. It also sounds like you were doing the other deadly practice of riding off the tail-light of the bike in front rather than riding your own ride.

Sorry to hear about the damage to the bike and am glad you okay.....

Did a similar thing myself once on the motorway.

Did you actually think of the two options before or after you choose one? - as the option you choose is typical of the 7 deadly sins that Keith Code talks about - sounds to me like you instinctively dropped the throttle and hit the brake - rather than made a conscious decision. No harm in admitting it - that is exactly how I had my first accident - exc. I went ploughing spuds on the side of the road.

[Two Smoker]

Yep i was following too close i admit that and as you said did the dumb thing of following his brake light :Oops: , but i honestly did think about increasing the amount of countersteering to drop it in more (i learnt that in a book too) and have practiced it in corners hence why i have got my knee down, but ofcourse with my inexperience and stupidity i was following to close and didnt want to knock Milky off... So as you said i closed the throttle and touched the brakes...

I guess i was thinking "oh it will be fine, we are only going really slow" Well it was a costly lesson and one that has definately been learned

Cheers for the comments Wkid_one :niceone: , i like critisim as it improves my riding :niceone:

[bane]

Gee dont know whether to call you lucky or unlucky!
...but in the end, any bike incident you can walk away from is just plain good luck.

Glad to hear you avoided injury and that the bikes not too bad :yes:

[Zed]

Hey everyone, well i knew it was going to happen and it happened today..

I went for a ride with Milky this afternoon and we took a turn off from Scenic Drive, he was leading. We entered the first hairpin that tightened up considerably and unexpectedly, Milky slowed and started braking a bit.

I now had two options:
1- to tighten my line and get more lean on, which i was capable of doing and could do, but the result of that would be smashing into the back end of Milky causing both of us to bin it and get hurt

Or 2- to gently brake and swing it a bit wide slightly onto the wrong side of the road (not completely on the wrong side)

I chose option 2..... Which was good in the end, but bad for me :( Well it was just my luck that a car was coming up the other way, i was doing about 30-40kmh and was hoping the car was going quick enough for me to just miss it and swing behind it... Thats what i would have liked to have happend......... Well my right peg hit the mag wheel of the car (creating a channel about 1 cm wide and deep right across the mag) and my front wheel grazed the car followed by my brake lever scratching the upper rear 3/4 panel, my fairing then proceeded to rip the rear bumper of the car completely off.....

This all happened and i didn't fall off:eek5: , I stayed on the bike and then stopped on the side of the road, to check damage exchange details and all the rest of it.... The stink thing was that Milky and I werent even going hard....

Result is:my bike now has a cracked lower fairing and smashed centre fairing (the one that holds the 2 lower fairings together), a hole in the radiator, a slightly bent right rear set and possibly twisted forks (only very slightly twisted though....)

I won't be riding it for the next week or 2 and i dont know how im going to survive:eek5: , well ill still be riding my work bike hehehe...
This wouldn't have happened if you had come power-riding with the rest of us down to Ngaruawahia/Raglan today! :sneaky2:

Hope you're up & running for the April 23rd open day dude.


Zed

[wkid_one]

Cheers for the comments Wkid_one :niceone: , i like critisim as it improves my riding :niceone:
Wasnt meant to be criticism - just observations.....I made, and I guess many have, the exact same mistakes. I still make them today....

Following the brakes lights is as easy to do in the car as it is on a bike....we all get guilty of it - and as for following to close...well - I have trouble counting to two at the best of times - let alone on a bike.

[Two Smoker]

Cheers for the help Wkid_One :niceone:

i would have come Zed but i work on saturdays from 0630-1300 :( i wish i could have come sounds like most had a great time and there was a good turn out :niceone:

[XRNR]

...but because i hit another car im claiming on insurance (which i know will cause problems when i insure my next bike:brick: ) $400 for the excess.....
Insurance is pretty much a one time claim, especially @ your age. They really don't want to insure bikes. It will affect lots of things in your future if you make this claim.
Since the car driver sounds like a reasonable person. Maybe you can talk to him about getting a few quotes, him or you may know a panel beater that might do the work a bit cheaper. Concentrate on getting his car fixed first, forget your bike till later, (fix the radiator of course). See if you can borrow some money of your folks or a mate.
Leave the insurance for when you really need it. Hopefully this incident isn't the time.

[wkid_one]

Yep - you will get drilled on the insurance - this will be esp. painful when you go for the bigger bike.

The unfortunate thing is - that with the other car being involved it is more than likely he will demand it be done via his insurance company - which if you then decide to pay the costs out of your own pocket rather than your insurance - you will pay absolute top dollar to get the work done on their car.

[dangerous]

I guess i was thinking "oh it will be fine, we are only going really slow" Well it was a costly lesson and one that has definately been learned

sorry dude.... but its not costly compaired to your life, aye? How the hell did ya not loose your leg? I'm betting that by tomorrow it'll be somewhat sore and or stiff even if it fells fine now.
And at the chance of sounding like an old fart ( :angry: which I'm not, honest) LEARN from your cock ups :D

[Two Smoker]

Thanks for the tips guys, the more i think about it the more i want to do it by paying for it to be done rather than going through the insurance company..... The problem is getting the mag wheel (the gouge was about 10mm wide 5 mm deep and right across the width of the mag) luckily the panels weren't dented and all it needs is to be sanded and painted, the bumpers im not worried about because of the easy to get and the fixtures on the car (not the bumper) were all fine.... With my bike ive got spare fairings anyway so thats sorted.....

Anyone got any tips on where to get this stuff??????

And yep Dangerous, i definately learn from my cock ups (definately going to make sure i have 2 seconds gap....)

Once again Cheers guys :niceone:

[Lou Girardin]

The damage sounds like it'll be in the thousands, you might have to take the hit on insurance.
You're still a lucky bugger though.
Lou

[Two Smoker]

The damage sounds like it'll be in the thousands, you might have to take the hit on insurance.
You're still a lucky bugger though.
Lou
Shit yeah i consider myself to be extremely lucky, i know its going to be thousands :( but if it is below 2 grand to get the car fixed then i will pay for it to be done (not fussed about the bike as i can get that done etc.) But if it is over 2 grand then i guess it will be insurance and be screwed for the next 10-15 years :(

I just talked to my dad and hes given me a number to get some parts of a mate of his..... therefore if i can get those the only major cost will be the painting :(

[claire]

Arrow Wheels (I think they're in Auckland) are certified mag wheel repairers and I would expect their repair turn around time would be fairly quick. Sounds like you've got the parts sorted. What sort of car is it? If you're only painting a rear bumper with no blends on to the guards the paint shouldn't be too expensive. Get a couple of quotes to make sure your not getting ripped though.

Claire

PS If you get stuck with the parts send me a message and I'll get some prices for you we buy off a couple of companies in Auckland who are pretty competitive.

[Firefight]

TS, glad your okay, good lesson learnt re following distance, as the others have said try at all costs to pay for damage yourself, at your age this little incident will follow you for sometime to come, making future insurance very costly, that is if they even agree to insure, again its good you and your mate are okay, and cool you chose the option you did to minamize the risk to milk bottle or whatever his name is, hope it all works out okay.

Firefight :crazy: :crazy:

[Coldkiwi]

sorry to hear about your ding TS. Certainly worth increasing your following distance. Its like a get out of jail free card really and cost you nothing on your ride.

I'm surprised at all the comments about insurance companies shafting you long term. is it really that bad guys? ie. I binned my gpx on my own inlate 2000 and claimed the $3500 on that thru insurance. the gsxr is worth 13,000 and I'm paying $890 in preimum plus $1500 excess with state. so am I getting overly shafted because of that claim? doesn't seem to bad to me compared to guys I know with turbo cars (although the excess blows goats- could be reduced to $750 in case of theft if I alarmed it)

[Two Smoker]

Thanks for all the tips and offers, i really appreciate it, you are all a great bunch of guys and girls :niceone: well i did some adding, and i worked out the costs, it was going to cost about $1500-2000 just for the primera to get fixed (turns out the rear door was scratched as well :( ) then there was my bike.... the fairing, radiator, rear set and straightening the forks wasnt going to be cheap either...... consequence is i have to go through the insurance.....

Hopefully it will the same will happen with me as CK.... reasonable premiums at $890 (i mean it costs almost $2000 for my premium on mitsi galant.... and its only worth $2500 !!!!!!!!!!!!)

Also i want my bike ready for puke :niceone: ive almost finished painting my racing fairings (which i had taken off 2 days before the crash :doh: )

[Posh Tourer :P]

TS, glad your okay, good lesson learnt re following distance, as the others have said try at all costs to pay for damage yourself, at your age this little incident will follow you for sometime to come, making future insurance very costly, that is if they even agree to insure, again its good you and your mate are okay, and cool you chose the option you did to minamize the risk to milk bottle or whatever his name is, hope it all works out okay.

Firefight :crazy: :crazy:

Milky.... not milk bottle.. :mad: :laugh: ... mind you... even the thought of being a milk bottle which can ALSO ride a bike is pretty impressive

[wkid_one]

Thanks for all the tips and offers, i really appreciate it, you are all a great bunch of guys and girls :niceone: well i did some adding, and i worked out the costs, it was going to cost about $1500-2000 just for the primera to get fixed (turns out the rear door was scratched as well :( ) then there was my bike.... the fairing, radiator, rear set and straightening the forks wasnt going to be cheap either...... consequence is i have to go through the insurance.....

Hopefully it will the same will happen with me as CK.... reasonable premiums at $890 (i mean it costs almost $2000 for my premium on mitsi galant.... and its only worth $2500 !!!!!!!!!!!!)

Also i want my bike ready for puke :niceone: ive almost finished painting my racing fairings (which i had taken off 2 days before the crash :doh: )Painting is the killer for cars as they have to paint the whole panel to blend the paint. They would have had to have painted nearly the whole side of the car. You will be surprised what a little amount of damage can add up too. I, by the sounds of it, had similar damage to my work car and this was $1600+GST to repair....

With your forks - just loosen the triple clamps - if they are only slightly bent - they should ping back in to shape once you loosen off the bolts - then just tighten them up.

You are likely to get a nice premium increase coupled with the possibility of an increase excess......but at least you aren't trying out your medical insurance or ACC instead.

[Two Smoker]

Painting is the killer for cars as they have to paint the whole panel to blend the paint. They would have had to have painted nearly the whole side of the car. You will be surprised what a little amount of damage can add up too. I, by the sounds of it, had similar damage to my work car and this was $1600+GST to repair....

With your forks - just loosen the triple clamps - if they are only slightly bent - they should ping back in to shape once you loosen off the bolts - then just tighten them up.

You are likely to get a nice premium increase coupled with the possibility of an increase excess......but at least you aren't trying out your medical insurance or ACC instead.
Cheers wkid_one, ill do that tomoro, the twist is very slight so heres hoping, yep the paint was the killer alright... oh well i did the dumb thing of following too close and have paid for itm i hope others learn from it as i have..... :whistle:

LOL Milky's a mean rider, ive ridden his bike (the CB125T) and i dont know how the fuck he pushes it so hard.......:wacko:

[750Y]

glad you're ok TS.


Arrow Wheels (I think they're in Auckland) are certified mag wheel repairers ...
I think DeathInc mentioned being in that line of work also.

[Drunken Monkey]

Gotta watch those roads up there, 2-smoker. Death'n'Taxes and I went to Piha today as well. The road is better than it used to be (surface-wise) but there are still tricks for young players and those that don't know the road too well. We kept it pretty slow through most of it, and still had to negotiate our way through the traffic. It's nice and twisty and close to home, but as you now know there's just too much traffic to risk cutting that centreline (which is dangerous anyway)...

Keep safe, glad to hear you're ok.

[Two Smoker]

Gotta watch those roads up there, 2-smoker. Death'n'Taxes and I went to Piha today as well. The road is better than it used to be (surface-wise) but there are still tricks for young players and those that don't know the road too well. We kept it pretty slow through most of it, and still had to negotiate our way through the traffic. It's nice and twisty and close to home, but as you now know there's just too much traffic to risk cutting that centreline (which is dangerous anyway)...

Keep safe, glad to hear you're ok.
Cheers :niceone: yep i like scencic road for its range of corners, that road is great and im starting to know it quite well, but this unfortunatly happened on one of the many side roads out there :( and as you said didnt know the road at all so got caught out completely :( ....

[Kwaka-Kid]

Hey guys, and sorry to hear about all this TS, but sounds like your on the right track and being helped well. Gotta say i love the roads out here but Scenic Drive itself is a shitter alot of the time because of it never seeing the daylight under the tree it gets mossy crap all over it even where you dont notice it. Anyway good luck TS and i hope it all turns out okay, i can say that There really is a lesson to be learnt on following distance, PuTMaN often acuses me of nearly making him crash because "you bloody hit the brakes halfway thru a corner!" well im always honest and tell him if it nearly caused an accident he shouldnt be following so damn close! and that i can brake whereever i like whenever i like! whatever feels comfortable. (not that braking mid corner does, but if i have gone too fast into a corner and know i can get away with a quick stab on the brakes then carry on i will! beats crashing!)

[White trash]

Wasnt meant to be criticism - just observations.....I made, and I guess many have, the exact same mistakes. I still make them today....

Following the brakes lights is as easy to do in the car as it is on a bike....we all get guilty of it - and as for following to close...well - I have trouble counting to two at the best of times - let alone on a bike.

Too true, ask Jimbo750 the dangers of target fixating on the back of the bike in front. :eek5:

Could've been Sooooo ugly :Oops:

[wkid_one]

Easy to do when you are riding lazily unfortunately.

Should just keep the other bike in your peripheral vision but ride your own ride

[aff-man]

Glad to hear you're ok. I have also had some "interesting" experiences with cars on that road (them cutting corners while i'm going in hot). was coming out of clevedon or going in ??? if coming out luck you didn't fall off the mountain :eek5: . Hope you get your bike up and running soon. As to insurance i have a $1000 excess on a $3000 value so i'm getting screwed lucky for you your's is under $500. Might see you on the 23rd. Racing the mighty 150 2 smoker :done:

[Two Smoker]

Well im taking the bike into Colemans to get assessed (as its required) tommoro so i hope like hell it will be ready by the 23rd...... But while its in the shop ill get the head and power valves checked.... so maybe it will be quicker...(doubt it.....hehehe)

Cheers guys :niceone:

[Shawn]

Sorry to hear u crashed mate…one lucky bastard though…when I fell of I came home with a dislocated shoulder…didn’t hit any car though..still had to spend 1200 to fix my bike….also after finding out u live like 10 mins for me I was going to ask u if u wanna head off for a ride sometimes, but I guess that has to wait now…

Hope u get ur bike running soon…

Shawn

[Skyryder]

Two Smoker not much more I can say that has not been said other than I had a mate killed with a head-on with a car a few years ago and he was going slower than you. Cats have nine lives bikers have two and you have used up one of them. My advice is to ride within your limits and not the bike in front. But the 'hehe' comments suggest that you have already forgotton the lesson.

Skyryder

[wkid_one]

Ask Nuanh about his 'incursion'

[Two Smoker]

the "hehehe" comment was referring to racing on the track, not the road because i can only get about 170-180kmh on the back straight.
i was riding within my limits but i was a dumb arse and was following too close as you said :niceone:.

i definately have not forgotten what happened, what could have happened and what it has cost me. I have learned from the lesson of following to close and as you can read in the previous comments i consider myself very lucky.

I do admit im not the best rider, but no one is, yes i do have alot of learning to go but i also have done alot of learning..... Ask people that have ridden with me if i ride within my limits......... As people say, let the veiw of seeing the person ride be the judge not the comments or what has been percieved...

[wkid_one]

the "hehehe" comment was referring to racing on the track, not the road because i can only get about 170-180kmh on the back straight.
i was riding within my limits but i was a dumb arse and was following too close as you said :niceone:.

i definately have not forgotten what happened, what could have happened and what it has cost me. I have learned from the lesson of following to close and as you can read in the previous comments i consider myself very lucky.

I do admit im not the best rider, but no one is, yes i do have alot of learning to go but i also have done alot of learning..... Ask people that have ridden with me if i ride within my limits......... As people say, let the veiw of seeing the person ride be the judge not the comments or what has been percieved...
Well said TS......honestly - who cares what anyone thinks - you made a mistake, and anyone would be lying if they said they haven't made exactly the same mistake. Just don't make it twice and you will be right. I agree - listen to those around you - not the 'internet jury'.

My ethos is never make the same mistake twice and hopefully eventually you will run out of mistakes to make.

[Two Smoker]

My ethos is never make the same mistake twice and hopefully eventually you will run out of mistakes to make.
Cheers wkid one, my ethics are the similar but i like to prevent the accident before they happen by listening to people with more experience such as yourself, reading books and experimenting on the track, deserted carparks and the like...

Definately dont want to make the same mistake twice, because that will show that the person hasnt learned......

[wkid_one]

listening to people with more experience such as yourself
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha

[Two Smoker]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha
well you have had more crashes than the average rider :whistle: :shutup:

[Indiana_Jones]

Sorry to hear that bro, but as it's been said a million times I may was well say it, good thing your not hurt :)

Look like our race is off for a while :scooter: I was a sure win anywayz :shifty:

-Indy

[wkid_one]

How many crashes has the average rider had??? I have only had three.....and no doubt I will have many many more.

[Posh Tourer :P]

LOL Milky's a mean rider, ive ridden his bike (the CB125T) and i dont know how the fuck he pushes it so hard.......:wacko:

Yeah that bike is a bit strange, still I've had a good 1m sideways slip on it down woodlands park road, its all a matter of confidence. Havent scraped the pegs.... I dont think the tyres would like that much.
The frame on it is very flexy....I got on after being on the beemer and it felt like it was going to fall apart.... :laugh:

[Posh Tourer :P]

How many crashes has the average rider had??? I have only had three.....and no doubt I will have many many more.

My tally is at two so far.... total cost about $100.... hooray for having old cruddy bikes

[Kwaka-Kid]

i think i must be on 4. thats riding only 3 years on street, on the dirt i think i crashed somewhere between 100-500 times between 9-15, but thats different, i couldnt touch the ground on the xr200 so if i got unbalanced or she wudnt get up a hill it was like, doomph, hit the soft sand of woodhill and wait for a brother to pick my bike up for me! :)

[RiderInBlack]

Just replying TS, to say that I'm glad you didn't get hurt.

WKO's advise has been good:niceone:

It is easy for us to pass judgement on others and forget that we often make the same mistakes.

We have probably all at one time or another put our bikes in the same position (and will most likely do so again) and have forgotten it has we came away unscathed:innocent: .

You might not be the best rider (you were doing better than me at Puke and I had the bigger bike), but even the "best" cock it up sometimes (often at lot faster speeds, with more deadly results). This is all part of the choice we make when we ride.

Went for a ride on Saturday organised by Planet Honda (Whangarei). I was beating myself up for riding like a Nana as the fastter riders passed me up until we all stopped for one of the riders who had canned. He had found a bit of pea-metal on a corner (I had gone over the same patch, but I was not cornering as hard) and slid off the road. Bike had to be trailered, but the rider was OK. Stopped beating myself up after that. Realised that I had been riding appropriately for the conditions and my abilities, instead of riding to be one of the fastest.

They say that "there is only the quick and the dead" or "to be fast or your last". What they forget to tell you that often the quick are the dead! Who wants to be the first one to die?

Sorry got a bit morbid there:confused2

[Skyryder]

I won't be riding it for the next week or 2 and i dont know how im going to survive:eek5: , well ill still be riding my work bike hehehe...

Two smoker this is what you wrote in your first post. I do not see anything about track racing here. Glad to hear that you have learnt your lesson. Yes you are correct. None of us are perfect riders, and we all make errors of judgement from time to time but you nearly had a head on with a car, I am willing to bet that not many of us have had that sort of experiance. Nothing personal here just stay sharp.

Skyryder

[Two Smoker]

Cheers Skyrider for putting me straight :niceone: and thanks RIB for the story :niceone:

I love riding and that is why i said i dont know how i could survive not riding for 2 weeks.... i have ridden nearly everyday since i got my licence and the biggest gap between riding was 3 days..... when i said i dont know how i would survive, that meant that i would drive myself crazy not being able to go for a ride (even it be down to the shops and back lol) the biker bug has bit me hard.....

[Posh Tourer :P]

Two smoker this is what you wrote in your first post. I do not see anything about track racing here. Glad to hear that you have learnt your lesson. Yes you are correct. None of us are perfect riders, and we all make errors of judgement from time to time but you nearly had a head on with a car, I am willing to bet that not many of us have had that sort of experiance. Nothing personal here just stay sharp.

Skyryder

I suspect the hehehe has something to do with the fact that the work bike is a CT110 step-thru postie bike.... not really a comprehensive cure for wanting to be riding an RG150