Maori roll or General roll?

[GIXser]

Give me a break, what a load of lobsided shit" why is this government dividing this country, am i the only one thinking this?????
why dont we set up a few others, ie indian,chinese,german,japanese. to be fair on all New Zealanders.

To the "CUNTS" in government :finger:

[cowpoos]

hav a beer.....

[SuperDave]

What are the differences between the two?

[RantyDave]

why is this government dividing this country
Good for marginal votes.

I agree with poos, have a beer.

Dave

[limbimtimwim]

You are complaining about the Maori seats now?!?

Gee, they have only been there since.. I can't be bothered pulling out my text books. Ages.

[Hitcher]

Here's Hitcher's solution to this whole two-roll nonsense. Brace yourselves. Be amazed at its simplicity, brilliance and downright cunning. And, best of all, it's legal!

Every eligible voter in New Zealand enrols on the Maori Roll.

Easy, eh!

That way we get one Electoral Roll and no fannying around determining "equitable" numbers of seats in Parliament based on "race". And Statistics New Zealand can ask one less set of questions in the Census.

My big challenge is talking the intransigent muddled masses of middle New Zealand into this. Such is life...

[GIXser]

Here's Hitcher's solution to this whole two-roll nonsense. Brace yourselves. Be amazed at its simplicity, brilliance and downright cunning. And, best of all, it's legal!

Every eligible voter in New Zealand enrols on the Maori Roll.

Easy, eh!

That way we get one Electoral Roll and no fannying around determining "equitable" numbers of seats in Parliament based on "race". And Statistics New Zealand can ask one less set of questions in the Census.

My big challenge is talking the intransigent muddled masses of middle New Zealand into this. Such is life...

good thinking Batman" just seems to me we are wasting a lot of taxpayers money"

[ajturbo]

Here's Hitcher's solution to this whole two-roll nonsense. Brace yourselves. Be amazed at its simplicity, brilliance and downright cunning. And, best of all, it's legal!

Every eligible voter in New Zealand enrols on the Maori Roll.

Easy, eh!

That way we get one Electoral Roll and no fannying around determining "equitable" numbers of seats in Parliament based on "race". And Statistics New Zealand can ask one less set of questions in the Census.

My big challenge is talking the intransigent muddled masses of middle New Zealand into this. Such is life...

shit .. can we do that????
hell if we can i may just enroll ... for the frist time !!!

anything to piss of the govt. that waistes our tax money ....

[Skyryder]

No you can not just enroll on the maori roll. You need to provide proof of your whakapapa. Proof may be records or testomony.

Skyryder

[GIXser]

No you can not just enroll on the maori roll. You need to provide proof of your whakapapa. Proof may be records or testomony.

Skyryder

i still got my "ski lift pass" will that work ??":cool:

[Colapop]

I'm sorry, we are not allowed to have an opinion on this matter - to do so would be deemed as being 'racist'. Anything to do with commenting on any vaguely racially based issue is racism if you are of European decent.
Why do we have the Maori electoral role? To appease the shit stirrers probably. There aren't Samoan, Tokelau, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, .... electoral roles. If it was suggested then you'd get laughed at. Oh but wait, the Maori are the indegenous people of this land... NO they're not!! So what if they arrived here before the European settlers? By the Maori's own historical memories they are immigrants to NZ. Enough of the divisive politics. One role for one people. NZ has been built from the strengths of all the people (of different races) who've come and does not belong historically to any one group.
rant over.

[sAsLEX]

I was going to last time as a piss take, am going to this time for shits and giggles, and its going to be fun voting National as a "maori"

[Skyryder]

i still got my "ski lift pass" will that work ??":cool:

Yep that'll do. That's the mountain covered. Now all you need is the river and your waka.

Skyryder

[Jantar]

No you can not just enroll on the maori roll. You need to provide proof of your whakapapa. Proof may be records or testomony.

Skyryder

No, That rule was changed some time ago. You only have to provide proof if you are claiming part of a Waitangi settlement. Just identifying yourself as Maori is sufficient to enroll on the maori electoral roll.

The form to choose between Maori and Genral rolls was sent to all people who identified themselves as Maori on the census form. No proof of ancestry is required. Others may request a change form if they wish to change rolls, and again, no proof of ancestry is required.

Hitcher's solution may just work. Unless, that is, All maori elect to be on the general roll and all non maori elect to be on the maori roll.

[Biff]

Positive discrimination is discrimination. < full stop. < and another fucker, < that's more like it, now this is a cosmopolitan post

Total wank IMO.

[GR81]

good thinking Batman" just seems to me we are wasting a lot of taxpayers money"
isnt that what our government has become very good at? :angry:

[Grahameeboy]

I'm sorry, we are not allowed to have an opinion on this matter - to do so would be deemed as being 'racist'. Anything to do with commenting on any vaguely racially based issue is racism if you are of European decent.
Why do we have the Maori electoral role? To appease the shit stirrers probably. There aren't Samoan, Tokelau, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, .... electoral roles. If it was suggested then you'd get laughed at. Oh but wait, the Maori are the indegenous people of this land... NO they're not!! So what if they arrived here before the European settlers? By the Maori's own historical memories they are immigrants to NZ. Enough of the divisive politics. One role for one people. NZ has been built from the strengths of all the people (of different races) who've come and does not belong historically to any one group.
rant over.

You should have started this thread Mr Poppy....a well written and concise view.
You are right mate...my Daughter is 'indegenous'........the land is for all and not to let fall.

[Hitcher]

No you can not just enroll on the maori roll. You need to provide proof of your whakapapa. Proof may be records or testomony.

Skyryder
That buggers my cunning plan. One-sixteenth Maori? I think that rules me out.

[Str8 Jacket]

That buggers my cunning plan. One-sixteenth Maori? I think that rules me out.

Apparently one-sixteenth would still allow you to be registered on the Maori roll as long as you can prove your whakapapa and seeing as they want/need as many people as they can I doubt that they'd make it hard for you...

[The_Dover]

Can I have a filled chicken roll and a diet coke please?

[u4ea]

its not on 'you guys are onto it.maori,mori ori weren t here first.they have a word for pre maori,cant remember what it is,i speak english!!!lots of land tapu because i beleive they are hiding evidence of true indigenous new zealanders.nordics or celts.the new land and foreshore act says if you can prove you were here before 1836 then you have a claim.lets not forget the government acknowledged the early chinese and appologised and paid them too!!!!!!!!!at the end of the day we are all gaurdians of this wonderful nation but god help anyone who tries to take my quarter acre!!!!!!!!:finger:

[Colapop]

That's - Us Vikings were here first! Give us all your money and good looking women!:spudwave:

[cowpoos]

Can I have a filled chicken roll and a diet coke please?
all outta chicken....will ham and salad do?

[MSTRS]

I thought the Romans were here first? There is documented proof of that through their reports of the Taupo eruption some 1900 years ago

[u4ea]

I thought the Romans were here first? There is documented proof of that through their reports of the Taupo eruption some 1900 years ago
true story!!!!!!!!!!there must be a few of us that can find the evidence.:spudbooge

[MisterD]

true story!!!!!!!!!!there must be a few of us that can find the evidence.:spudbooge

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you'll probably find that scientists/ historians have now managed to tie Roman records of weather events etc to being effects of the Taupo eruption. The chances of them making it all the way here and home again are bugger all.

The Vikings on the other hand are another story....plenty of evidence of their seafaring competence, and we know they made it to America first.

[ghost]

they have a word for pre maori,cant remember what it is,i speak english!!!:

Tangatawhenua, or however its spelt, used to be the name given to the people here before the maori, now thats what they call themselves, there was no one else here before, didnt you read your re-revised history, gotta read fast to keep up with the changes.

help me out here, people in the "know"

[Colapop]

Yeah. I mean have you seen Dannevirke lately? That place is o l d !!

[u4ea]

i am not incredibly knowledgable but am convinced vikings were too.theres lots of stone dwellings in strange but relevent places as you say.look at the heads the moari wont let us dna.some have viking tatoos and red hair!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[u4ea]

Yeah. I mean have you seen Dannevirke lately? That place is o l d !!
yep.got ancestors buried there rrrrrrrrrrr,bring me meat:bash:

[MSTRS]

yep.got ancestors buried there rrrrrrrrrrr,bring me meat:bash:
errrr...might not be edible anymore....

[Colapop]

We Vikings are very skillled a preserving meat for long journeys. There is some preserved meat on display in a Viking museum in Copenhagen that is over 1000 years old!

I'm not saying I'd try it though...

[Warren]

The Vikings on the other hand are another story....plenty of evidence of their seafaring competence, and we know they made it to America first.

But after the Indians (from asia) who decided to walk the distance.

[u4ea]

errrr...might not be edible anymore....haha thanks.live meat ,nothing like chasing a kill on a windy day..............o hang on thats why i crashed....................:Oops:

[Grahameeboy]

errrr...might not be edible anymore....

are you sure it was not a Big Mac from last week...........

[MisterD]

But after the Indians (from asia) who decided to walk the distance.

Yeah ok, but you know what I meant.

[madboy]

Look you racist cunts, this is where your thinking is going wrong. NZ is a bi-cultural society. Not a multi-cultural society. That's why Te Reo and English are the two official languages.

So it's only right that we have a Bro Roll and an Everyone Else Roll. Despite the fact that my ancestors arrived long after any f***ing treaty was signed, I'm quite happy to waste shedloads of my hard earned taxes on useless bullshit. Just like Simjen's new motorbike... and a billion dollar treaty settlement here and there.

[oldrider]

I find this subject one of great interest.

Firstly I do not believe there are very many "Maoris" left in New Zealand.

I mean there are very many people who were born in NZ of mixed race origins, some of whom were Maori! (about 15%?)

I am a New Zealander of mixed race origins but I do not know of any Maori amongst my ancestors (but I am a third or fourth generation New Zealander).

If you think about the miracle of conception and the number things that must be precisely in place at that precise moment for that to happen, it is amazing that any of us as individuals even exist.

We could just as easily ended up a menstrual flush, a wank, or even a wet dream!

We would not have ended up as someone else! We simply would not exist!

I get the feeling that some Maori radicals seem to think that had Europeans etc not have come here that they would have ended up as some Utopian pure breed "Maori"! (what bullshit)

Simply not true, they simply would not exist! The pure bred "Maori" in Utopia would be someone else!

Why then, do these people despise the arrival "Pakeha"? For had they not come, they simply would not be here themselves! (At all)

Bear that fact in mind when I claim that the "so called" Maori of this nation are New Zealanders of "mixed race" origins, some of whom were "Maori".

Now to the Maori electoral role:

I think it would be great if "all" of the people of "Maori" descent enrolled on the Maori role because the so called "Maori" would then be able to have their proportional representation in the running of the country.

Why do I think this?

Because they would no longer have anyone else to "blame".

Because it would get them "involved".

Because it would make them get off their arse and work for the future of the country instead of sitting back and grizzling about how hard done by they are.

They would have to introduce policies that would be attractive to other representatives from the rest of the population to get the support to pass their legislation through parliament.

If you look at the "Maori" members in parliament now, notice how they have changed from their initial election to now. What a difference in each of them!

Responsibility and power have changed every one of them "for the better".(IMHO)

I believe that those changes would be universal amongst their representatives if they had all their seats and that they had something to work for and goals to focus on.

So for me ,I say give them all the seats they are entitled to and watch them grow out of the bog of self pity and backward thinking that so many have got themselves into today.

I am not at all threatened by their presence in parliament but I certainly feel threatened by the state of affairs we have today.

You only have to look at the New Zealand armed forces to see that a committed "Maori" with direction and purpose is as good or better than any other soldier in the world.

"Maori", overseas, free from the shackles of "entitlement" are extremely successful and well sort after by employers etc.

I believe that given that same chance in the politics of this nation ( and they have that chance) "Maori" will shine as "contributors" rather than as the "detractors" that so many of them "choose" to be today.

Conclusion: Fill all the "Maori" role with "Maori" and let them have their seats and let them pull their weight and "honour the treaty" in the way that they claim that we do not!

The opportunity has been there since MMP began, I don't know why it has taken them so long to wake up! Perhaps they were just too busy moaning!!!

I think that the more successful the "Maori" become, the less relevant the "Maori" seats will be and they (the seats) will disappear as a natural process of evolution.

Just my thoughts for what they may be worth. Cheers John.

[Jackrat]

its not on 'you guys are onto it.maori,mori ori weren t here first.they have a word for pre maori,cant remember what it is,i speak english!!!lots of land tapu because i beleive they are hiding evidence of true indigenous new zealanders.nordics or celts.the new land and foreshore act says if you can prove you were here before 1836 then you have a claim.lets not forget the government acknowledged the early chinese and appologised and paid them too!!!!!!!!!at the end of the day we are all gaurdians of this wonderful nation but god help anyone who tries to take my quarter acre!!!!!!!!:finger:

Scandinavian in North land.
Nga Puhi legend actualy talks of them.
There's still the remains of a Scandinavian stone block village in one of northlands forests,but the location is a closly guarded secret,and all access is totaly bared by both locals and Gov't.
The Auckland Uni' sent a team up there a few years ago to gather photographic evidence.They did manage to get in and get heaps of Pic's but they were all taken and the whole thing covered up on their return.
There's an old Wha hau legend that talks about living under the sufferage of a blond haired fair skinned race.
You have to ask where they got the idea from if nothing else.
Anyway, WTF.
aNYWAY

[Jackrat]

I find this subject one of great interest.

Firstly I do not believe there are very many "Maoris" left in New Zealand.

I mean there are very many people who were born in NZ of mixed race origins, some of whom were Maori! (about 15%?)

I am a New Zealander of mixed race origins but I do not know of any Maori amongst my ancestors (but I am a third or fourth generation New Zealander).

If you think about the miracle of conception and the number things that must be precisely in place at that precise moment for that to happen, it is amazing that any of us as individuals even exist.

We could just as easily ended up a menstrual flush, a wank, or even a wet dream!

We would not have ended up as someone else! We simply would not exist!

I get the feeling that some Maori radicals seem to think that had Europeans etc not have come here that they would have ended up as some Utopian pure breed "Maori"! (what bullshit)

Simply not true, they simply would not exist! The pure bred "Maori" in Utopia would be someone else!

Why then, do these people despise the arrival "Pakeha"? For had they not come, they simply would not be here themselves! (At all)

Bear that fact in mind when I claim that the "so called" Maori of this nation are New Zealanders of "mixed race" origins, some of whom were "Maori".

Now to the Maori electoral role:

I think it would be great if "all" of the people of "Maori" descent enrolled on the Maori role because the so called "Maori" would then be able to have their proportional representation in the running of the country.

Why do I think this?

Because they would no longer have anyone else to "blame".

Because it would get them "involved".

Because it would make them get off their arse and work for the future of the country instead of sitting back and grizzling about how hard done by they are.

They would have to introduce policies that would be attractive to other representatives from the rest of the population to get the support to pass their legislation through parliament.

If you look at the "Maori" members in parliament now, notice how they have changed from their initial election to now. What a difference in each of them!

Responsibility and power have changed every one of them "for the better".(IMHO)

I believe that those changes would be universal amongst their representatives if they had all their seats and that they had something to work for and goals to focus on.

So for me ,I say give them all the seats they are entitled to and watch them grow out of the bog of self pity and backward thinking that so many have got themselves into today.

I am not at all threatened by their presence in parliament but I certainly feel threatened by the state of affairs we have today.

You only have to look at the New Zealand armed forces to see that a committed "Maori" with direction and purpose is as good or better than any other soldier in the world.

"Maori", overseas, free from the shackles of "entitlement" are extremely successful and well sort after by employers etc.

I believe that given that same chance in the politics of this nation ( and they have that chance) "Maori" will shine as "contributors" rather than as the "detractors" that so many of them "choose" to be today.

Conclusion: Fill all the "Maori" role with "Maori" and let them have their seats and let them pull their weight and "honour the treaty" in the way that they claim that we do not!

The opportunity has been there since MMP began, I don't know why it has taken them so long to wake up! Perhaps they were just too busy moaning!!!

I think that the more successful the "Maori" become, the less relevant the "Maori" seats will be and they (the seats) will disappear as a natural process of evolution.

Just my thoughts for what they may be worth. Cheers John.

Damn your good,,,and right.
I'm 1/8th maori,decended from "Wharepapa" paramount chief of Wha Hau Nga Puhi.Funny enough EVERY one of my family members from Wharepapa's day on is only part Maori.The other bit or bits are Scot,Irish,english,french,but when the bro's are on the bludge they conveniantly forget that none of them are anymore REAL maori than I am,an I'm just another Kiwi shit kicker.
Ain't life a laugh??:scratch:

[sAsLEX]

Scandinavian in North land.
Nga Puhi legend actualy talks of them.
There's still the remains of a Scandinavian stone block village in one of northlands forests,but the location is a closly guarded secret,and all access is totaly bared by both locals and Gov't.
The Auckland Uni' sent a team up there a few years ago to gather photographic evidence.They did manage to get in and get heaps of Pic's but they were all taken and the whole thing covered up on their return.
There's an old Wha hau legend that talks about living under the sufferage of a blond haired fair skinned race.
You have to ask where they got the idea from if nothing else.
Anyway, WTF.
aNYWAY

hmm seems a few believe that http://www.kilts.co.nz/mhorruairidh.htm

[Colapop]

Damn straight you people - ALL BOW BEFORE ME!!

[T.I.E]

i'm part maori,nga puhi, but also pt australian (which is scottish, english, irish, welsh etc etc etc) hell i'm a mongreal like everyone. my bloody name can be traced back to the vikings, danish corridor.
so my family were prisoners, killers, they would rape and plunder villiages, etc etc.
but i have ended up here. all in all im a bloody kiwi.

in the cenus i put kiwi.
thats all that is needed.

[u4ea]

love this topic.it aint going away and thats wot those maori radicals .or the vikings " pakeha "are affraid of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!the truth always prevails .i am not a raciast but i cannot stand being accused of something me nor my true ancestors did.i am not a pakeha ,white pig,foreiner from far away land or anything.just a nz girl with nordic ancestry and a quarter acre!!!!!!!!!:ride: :laugh: :finger: :ride: :ride: :ride:

[DingDong]

why do these types of issues get all fucked up on KB?... it's a simple question... and none of us like the answer.
Solution... we all vote on the Maori roll (a bit of homework and you'll find a way Im sure) as was suggested already...

Our royal government will quickly make changes to our voting procedures in order to stay in power... we wont lose Maori seats because voters apparently like Maori, all other minority groups will still have the Governor G to give them rep too.

Or the royal government could step aside and Maori will become the general roll but we could have some reserved pakeha seats... they could even have their own roll... now theres an idea.

Lets vote for the KBers party... common spankme be my leader...

[Wonko]

That buggers my cunning plan. One-sixteenth Maori? I think that rules me out.

I'm a one-sixteenth Maori and I qualify.

[u4ea]

I'm a one-sixteenth Maori and I qualify.
do we need segregation???????????wud be like the old usa,black or white public ammenities,picture theatres etc. hell we are neally there!!!!!!!!