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Macktheknife
3rd May 2006, 11:02
What do you think of this then?
"Bird Flu"
Do you know that 'bird flu' was discovered in Vietnam 9 years ago?
Do you know that barely 100 people have died in the whole world in all that time?
Do you know that it was the Americans who alerted us to the efficacy of the human antiviral TAMIFLU as a preventative.
Do you know that TAMIFLU barely alleviates some symptoms of the common flu?
Do you know that its efficacy against the common flu is questioned by a great part of the scientific community?
Do you know that against a SUPPOSED mutant virus such as H5N1, TAMIFLU barely alleviates the illness?
Do you know that to date Avian Flu affects birds only?
Do you know who markets TAMIFLU?
ROCHE LABORATORIES.
Do you know who bought the patent for TAMIFLU from ROCHE LABORATORIES in 1996?
GILEAD SCIENCES INC.
Do you know who was the then president of GILEAD SCIENCES INC. and remains a major shareholder?
DONALD RUMSFELD, the present Secretary of Defence of the USA.
Do you know that the base of TAMIFLU is crushed aniseed?
Do you know who controls 90% of the world's production of this tree?
ROCHE.
Do you know that sales of TAMIFLU were over $254 million in 2004 and more than $1000 million in 2005?
Do you know how many more millions ROCHE can earn in the coming months if the business of fear continues?
So the summary of the story is as follows:
Bush's friends decide that the medicine TAMIFLU is the solution for a pandemic that has not yet occurred and that has caused a hundred deaths worldwide in 9 years.
This medicine doesn't so much as cure the common flu.
In normal conditions the virus does not affect humans.
Rumsfeld sells the patent for TAMIFLU to ROCHE for which they pay him a fortune.
Roche acquires 90% of the global production of crushed aniseed, the base for the antivirus.
The governments of the entire world threaten a pandemic and then buy industrial quantities of the product from Roche.
So we end up paying for medicine while Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush do the business.
ARE WE CRAZY!!? OR ARE WE IDIOTS!!?
Gee I wonder if there is any truth to this?
NAAAHHHH couldnt be.
Sniper
3rd May 2006, 11:07
You will be surprised at the amount of zombies who believe everything their wonderful goverment says. A few have known this birdflu is a load of crock and I personally believe that my immune system is strong enough to handle birdflu.
SimJen
3rd May 2006, 11:09
Yep well everyone knows the pharmacutical companies are ripping people off and have been for decades. And governments including our own pander to their whims.
Goblin
3rd May 2006, 13:29
Ah huh! Not surprised at all. It's big business alright. I'd like to know how many parents went & got their kids vaccinated against meningicocal.(sp?)B
All the media hype about how all kids MUST be vaccinated. Load of bollocks I reckon.
Ive been saying for ages that bird flu is bullshit
Dont_die_wondering
3rd May 2006, 14:42
its a load of crap, no offence to anyone but i think its the foreigners that bring viruses into our country.../and/or spread it to others.
you can only get bird flu by eating RAW chicken..or so ive heard..
its a load of crap, no offence to anyone but i think its the foreigners that bring viruses into our country.../and/or spread it to others.
you can only get bird flu by eating RAW chicken..or so ive heard..
You can also get it by having sex with monkeys
its a load of crap, no offence to anyone but i think its the foreigners that bring viruses into our country.../and/or spread it to others.
you can only get bird flu by eating RAW chicken..or so ive heard..
i think they are worried its mutating and starting to spread in other ways also.
through the air etc
Well, you guys dont need to worry, I got ya back . . . I got good stocks coming in of a new product.
Ah huh! Not surprised at all. It's big business alright. I'd like to know how many parents went & got their kids vaccinated against meningicocal.(sp?)B
All the media hype about how all kids MUST be vaccinated. Load of bollocks I reckon.
A friend of mine is a pharmacist and the government made him sign a form to say he wouldn't say anything bad about the vaccine publicly!? Apparently more people have died from receiving the vaccine than directly from the disease.
Have you ever looked into what goes into vaccines? It’s pretty scary :sick:
Hitcher
3rd May 2006, 15:58
I don't want to rain on a conspiracy, but given some of the bullshit sicked up earlier in this thread, I feel compelled to provide a bit of scientifically-based reason.
Please have a look at the following links and post no more crap until you're read them.
http://www.moh.govt.nz/pandemicinfluenza
Winston001
3rd May 2006, 16:08
Yep well everyone knows the pharmacutical companies are ripping people off and have been for decades.
Really? Pharmaceutical companies have a lower rate of return on capital than other businesses and higher risk. See http://www.galen.org/pdrugs.asp?docID=659
I have a mate (Kiwi) who has worked for 18 years researching arthritis to try and find a treatment. Nadda. Nothing. 18 years of laboratory work, teams of scientists working on it, all paid for and no result. And that's just one company. Their competitors are all doing the same work.
How about a specific example: Pfizer, maker of Viagra, a drugs monster eh. Share price in 1999 - US$40
Share Price in 2006 - US$25
Timber020
3rd May 2006, 22:28
So influenza was a hoax to?
hazard02
4th May 2006, 08:08
Do you know that 'bird flu' was discovered in Vietnam 9 years ago?
Do you know that barely 100 people have died in the whole world in all that time?
...
Do you know that to date Avian Flu affects birds only?
If it only affects birds how did people manage to die from it? Am i missing something? Or is it perhaps that conspiracy theorists are as good at mis-representing information as any government...
The majority of this theory is on the money. My GF works for a NZ agency that deals with this and I am informed that the Tamiflu vaccine is next to useless. The vaccine was developed years ago and until quite recently production was about to be halted as a result - until every hypochondriac in the world demanded the "only thing that will stop bird flu". The reality is that until the virus mutates no-one will be able to develop a vaccine until about 6 month after the outbreak. Best thing to do is hope it doesn't mutate and stock up on alll your medicasion and have a healthy supply of parcetamol.
sugilite
4th May 2006, 09:02
I had a read of Hitchers link.
My feeling still is, that birds have had this virus for many many years.
While it does have the potential to become a real problem, I do feel it is being hyped big time.
Independent studies DO question how effective tami flu is.
Hitcher
4th May 2006, 09:23
1. There are several forms of Avian influenza. Most are low pathogenic forms that only affect birds. H5N1 is but one form of Avian influenza, but one with a proven history of affecting people, particularly those who live amongst affected birds. It has killed several hundred people around that world -- deaths that have been reported to the WHO. There may be more that have not been diagnosed or reported.
2. Other human influenza pandemics have previously had their origins with Avian influenza (not H5N1). Most notably the 1918 pandemic.
3. An Avian flu requires several things to happen before it can become a virulent strain that affects people. Given the high propensity for all flu viruses to mutate, this is the biggest area of uncertainty. H5N1 may become a virulent human flu. It may not.
4. Governments, including ours, are asking the question about what New Zealand would/should do if a flu pandemic struck here, just like they plan for major natural disasters such as earthquakes. Talk of death tolls up to 90,000 after the second wave of infection are speculative, and are based on scenarios modeled on the impacts of the 1918 pandemic. These scenarios may be worst case. They may not be.
5. Governments have responsibilities to provide for the welfare of their people. Tamiflu is untested against pandemic influenza by definition, because we have not had a pandemic to test it against. But if it can assist front-line personnel involved in managing the pandemic response, then it has potential benefits that should not be ignored. There are other similar products that may have value for prolonging people's health during a pandemic.
6. Whatever else people may believe, they should pause to consider how they would cope in a world where they were prevented from going to work, meeting with groups of other people, and where friends and family members were significantly debilitated or died as a consequence of influenza. For a period of up to six months.
You will be surprised at the amount of zombies who believe everything their wonderful goverment says. A few have known this birdflu is a load of crock and I personally believe that my immune system is strong enough to handle birdflu.
Your immune system needs exposure to develop resistence to any attack.If you are exposed to a new pathogen,your survival is dependent on the severity of the new pathogen's attack on your system and your general health.
If you are exposed to Ebola,your immune system is as much use as the immune systems of the australian aborigines',when they were exposed to rhinoviruses (common cold) for the first time.
The 1918 'flu' killed lots of strong healthy people.
Good Luck!
its a load of crap, no offence to anyone but i think its the foreigners that bring viruses into our country.../and/or spread it to others.
you can only get bird flu by eating RAW chicken..or so ive heard..
Yeah,that's why NZ has it's own strain of meningococcal bacteria,that's unlike the strain common in the rest of the world.Which needed it's own vaccine to be developed.
If you don't know how pathogens can mutate frequently and unpredictably,you can live happily in blissful ignorance.
Sniper
4th May 2006, 10:58
Your immune system needs exposure to develop resistence to any attack.If you are exposed to a new pathogen,your survival is dependent on the severity of the new pathogen's attack on your system and your general health.
If you are exposed to Ebola,your immune system is as much use as the immune systems of the australian aborigines',when they were exposed to rhinoviruses (common cold) for the first time.
The 1918 'flu' killed lots of strong healthy people.
Good Luck!
I believe you can only get as sick as you allow your body. I have seen someone one their deathbed play rugby 4 days after getting out of bed. Trick is to not stop moving.
Thats my hippie opinion.
Hitcher
4th May 2006, 11:20
I believe you can only get as sick as you allow your body. I have seen someone one their deathbed play rugby 4 days after getting out of bed. Trick is to not stop moving.
Thats my hippie opinion.
We are not talking about the common cold or flu. I have several words for your "hippie" body. But one is probably enough. Ebola.
Sniper
4th May 2006, 11:22
We are not talking about the common cold or flu. I have several words for your "hippie" body. But one is probably enough. Ebola.
Touche'
R6_kid
4th May 2006, 11:38
'Uncensored' magazine/journal has a large article on it at the moment, mainly outlining the fact that the US Government have been trying to engineer other strains of the disease "for research" purposes, and it is believed by some that they originally created it in the first place.
Will get some photocopies from it at work and put them up. Personally im into all the conspiracy theory shit, it makes you a more open minded person and i'd rather go through life 'knowing' certain things than just being another ant.
Hitcher
4th May 2006, 11:48
'Uncensored' magazine/journal has a large article on it at the moment, mainly outlining the fact that the US Government have been trying to engineer other strains of the disease "for research" purposes, and it is believed by some that they originally created it in the first place.
This is something of a perennial conspiracy theory. It has been previously famously used for HIV-AIDS and Ebola. The developers are probably based in Area 51 and are assassins retrained after successfully exterminating the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King.
Paul in NZ
4th May 2006, 11:55
This is something of a perennial conspiracy theory. It has been previously famously used for HIV-AIDS and Ebola. The developers are probably based in Area 51 and are assassins retrained after successfully exterminating the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King.
Man - they never died OK - They are running a trucking business in Otaki.
Street Gerbil
4th May 2006, 11:56
...fair warnings is actually a scare mongering smokescreen ordered by unpopular government trying to hide something, but when the sh*t hits the fan, they bitch and moan that the government didn't warn them enough. I coin the term "Katrina mindset".
The truth is the year is 2006 and we know about viral infections about as much as we knew in 1918. And however ineffective tamuflu may be, if it has a potential of saving 1 person out of 10, I say it is worth it.
6. Whatever else people may believe, they should pause to consider how they would cope in a world where they were prevented from going to work, meeting with groups of other people, and where friends and family members were significantly debilitated or died as a consequence of influenza. For a period of up to six months.
We need to get SpankMe on that Tamiflu shit just in case - how else are we gonna survive 6 months of forced isolation if KB goes down?
Man on the moon, supersonic jets etc, and they cant come up with a cure for a snotty nose?......... maybe cos its a multi billion dollar industry and they just dont want to........ ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh choo, wheres a fucken tissue when you need one............:shifty:
So if it is true or false this is irrelevant.
The fact is that it is not killing that many people at the moment.
What I can't understan is that MILLIONS of people are dying from malaria every year. This is a real disease yet nothing is being done about it. There are also major other health issues that are not being properly addressed because those with the power can't be arsed or don't have the balls to stand up to business.
Street Gerbil
4th May 2006, 13:25
So if it is true or false this is irrelevant.
The fact is that it is not killing that many people at the moment.
What I can't understan is that MILLIONS of people are dying from malaria every year. This is a real disease yet nothing is being done about it. There are also major other health issues that are not being properly addressed because those with the power can't be arsed or don't have the balls to stand up to business.
Malaria can be cured therefore it is not an existential threat. We are in control. The vaccine is efficient and can be mass produced if needed. Spaceflights or not, if bird flu pandemic will take place, we’ll be just as helpless, as folks were back in 1918. We are not in control, hence all the attention.
Dont_die_wondering
5th May 2006, 13:55
You can also get it by having sex with monkeys bet you kno alot about that :shifty:
ROCHE LABORATORIES must work for ROCHE LABORATORIES
Dont_die_wondering
5th May 2006, 14:00
Yeah,that's why NZ has it's own strain of meningococcal bacteria,that's unlike the strain common in the rest of the world.Which needed it's own vaccine to be developed.
If you don't know how pathogens can mutate frequently and unpredictably,you can live happily in blissful ignorance. i dont know anyone who has had shots, or had the virus, so i dun care much 4 it lol
bet you kno alot about that :shifty:
not as much as your mother halfbreed...................
Dont_die_wondering
5th May 2006, 14:09
not as much as your mother halfbreed................... you are truly disturbed :tugger:
you are truly disturbed :tugger:
Is that smiley an invite? Dirty girl..........
Dont_die_wondering
5th May 2006, 14:17
Is that smiley an invite? Dirty girl.......... not even in your dreams hun :rolleyes:
not even in your dreams hun :rolleyes:
No need to dream schnookums. Lets make it a reality
Dont_die_wondering
5th May 2006, 14:23
No need to dream schnookums. Lets make it a reality u blind? read above, or atleast quote someone that gives a shit lol
u blind? read above, or atleast quote someone that gives a shit lol
Stop replying if you dont give a shit, but i know you really do
jonbuoy
5th May 2006, 18:05
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GIXser
5th May 2006, 20:50
Stop replying if you dont give a shit, but i know you really do
Smorgan , get the point ya FAT donut eating tart, go and play with ya battery operated toys---
omg did u no it wasnt terrists dat blew up da w0rld trad senta? i saw a flash animation about it on da net sum1 did it az a bulitin omg bush is evil
jazbug5
5th May 2006, 21:47
Forwarded the 1st post to the guy who has to organise my company's response to Avian Flu (I work with him).
He replied:
'Re: "Do you know who bought the patent for TAMIFLU from ROCHE LABORATORIES in 1996?
GILEAD SCIENCES INC....
...Rumsfeld sells the patent for TAMIFLU to ROCHE for which they pay him a fortune."
These statements appear to contradict each other.
Ask your communist chums about that, then!'
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Ask your communist chums about that, then!'[/I]
eh? It's nothing to do with me. I haven't even got a cold.
kickingzebra
5th May 2006, 21:57
eh? It's nothing to do with me. I haven't even got a cold.
or any Gold. The commies at the top of the ladder got all that ;)
mashman
29th March 2013, 16:56
Aurora theater shooting court documents blows inside job conspiracy wide open (http://www.examiner.com/article/aurora-theater-shooting-court-documents-blows-inside-job-conspiracy-wide-open)... praps it was Batman.
Why Dave Mustaine feels Obama is responsible for recent shootings (http://www.examiner.com/article/why-dave-mustaine-feels-obama-is-responsible-for-recent-shootings)... fuckin druggie.
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