Oh for goodness sakes....

[Paul in NZ]

I can't believe this...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3664041a10,00.html

Bloody hell, they should be given a blimmin reward for killing the scummy thing! We really are becoming a nation of soft bastards. Every citizen should have a duty to kill as many of the damn things as possible!!!

[Colapop]

The poor wee dears might be traumatised and need counselling after seeing such a horiffic act of violence!!

How many thousands maybe millions of those vermin have been killed on farms across the country??

[GSXRjohn]

Almost collected one on the bike a few nights ago. Not sure who would of come off worse !!!

[MSTRS]

This should be made part of the curriculum. Bit like China's 'Kill 10 flies per day'.
Bloody do-gooders - haven't got a clue have they?

[GR81]

nothing wrong with putting a couple of bullets in its head. instant death
but bashing it... little bit inhumane.

[Finn]

Exactly Paul. Meanwhile this government is murdering people by not providing life saving hospital care which they are entitled to and all people piss and moan about is a fucking dead possum.

This country is a joke.

[Paul in NZ]

Exactly Paul. Meanwhile this government is murdering people by not providing life saving hospital care which they are entitled to and all people piss and moan about is a fucking dead possum.

This country is a joke.

Actually - I have to agree with you on this one.... Christ, we used to get a bounty on the damn things...

[Colapop]

PC, tree hugging, hippies! The country was built on the back of farming - Do these people not know how meat gets from the farm to the supermarket? Inhumane - No. I killed enough of them on the farm and I never had a bunch of hippies knocking down my door complaining about my treatment of these pests (not the hippies unfortunately!!)

[ManDownUnder]

LMAO.

OK - who traps possums here... with the good ol' leg trap.

It grabs them holds them, the possum sits, and waits. Hunter comes along and dispatches said possum with...???

A HAMMER - a decent thwack to the head - lights out.

Everyone on here knows my views on cruelty to animals, and I don't see a short sharp whack to the head as cruel. It's as fast as any.

And to cap it all off there was a thing on TV a week back (or so) about a guy that lives off the land around some of our southern lakes. He did exactly that.

Nuts - they're all nuts...
MDU

[SimJen]

School is no place for killing possums in this way......pretty obvious really. Yes they need to be shot, but a teacher telling kids to do it is not exactly right.
Animals deserve to be humanely treated no matter what sort of pest they are. A bullet would have been better.

[Jantar]

I find that the most humane way to kill them is to grab them by the tail and swing them round and round rapidly until their head accidentally contacts something hard, like concrete.

(Hint: wear leather gloves when doing this):yes:

[Finn]

School is no place for killing possums in this way......pretty obvious really. Yes they need to be shot, but a teacher telling kids to do it is not exactly right.
Animals deserve to be humanely treated no matter what sort of pest they are. A bullet would have been better.

So you think our schools should have rifles then?

[ManDownUnder]

School is no place for killing possums in this way......pretty obvious really. Yes they need to be shot, but a teacher telling kids to do it is not exactly right.
Animals deserve to be humanely treated no matter what sort of pest they are. A bullet would have been better.

Yes but Spotwood College is in the middle of New Plymouth. Shooting things would be no go, unless you caught it and took it somewhere... and I expect the college doesn't have a possum trap handy for such occasions.

I agree 200% with the humane treatment thing.

[ManDownUnder]

So you think our schools should have rifles then?

Actually mine did (New Plymouth Boys)... probably still does for the .22 shooting at the gun club

[SimJen]

So you think our schools should have rifles then?

Yep, all schools should teach the art of shooting....probably be more useful in some countries ;)

[Damon]

I've seen a pair of dogs tear a possum apart, they dont give a shit about being inhumane, thats nature, what the differince from a couple of kids with a hammer? appart from the whinging hippies who feel guilty about it.

What would have happened if it had been hit by a car and crawled to the side of the road with it's guts hanging out bleeding to death? somehow i think the hammer would have been quicker, it's not like they strung it up on an old spring bed and feed it 50000 volts :shutup:

[beyond]

Typical greenies. Years ago, decent prices could be had on possum skins so numbers were well down on what they are now. Then greenies go on about cruelty to animals and now we have 90 million of the vermin chomping there way through forest and orchards every night. Then they were selling them to China as apple eating tree bears, which looked to be a huge market. Meant to be great eating. That gets the thumbs down as well. :(

Every Greeny, needs a dozen poosums tossed into their apple tree. If they have no trees, then they need a dozen poosums tossed into their bed for the night. That will get them on the death to all possums band wagon. :)

Don't try and squash one on your motorbike, whatever you do.
I used to try and get my nightly shooting tally up by lining my cage up on every possum on the road after a hunt. I had a Laser 1300 about 15 years ago, saw a nice big possy ahead and lined the right side tyres up on the bugger.

Man, it was a big un and solid. Like hitting a brick twice. Car went budomp
budomp, bounced a bit and all seemed cool. Next day as I get into the car for work, I noticed both moulded, hard fixed plastic mud shields had been ripped clean off the car. :(

[Paul in NZ]

There IS no 'humane' way to kill one. Once they know they are in trouble they are quite hard to dispatch.

I have NO problem with older high school kids dispatching these things. I know thats not fashionable but I grew up in a city but in an age when it was quite common if you wanted a chicken dinner, well heres the axe and there is the chicken coop....

Look, these things are a bloody menace. They do so much damage to the bush and birds I don't care how you kill em, just kill the bloody things, rabbits too, and stoats and weasels and wasps. Kill em all on sight, no questions just kill em...

[Goblin]

I find that the most humane way to kill them is to grab them by the tail and swing them round and round rapidly until their head accidentally contacts something hard, like concrete.

(Hint: wear leather gloves when doing this):yes:
I can confirm this is a great way to despatch the furry little fuckers. On a still night it can sound just like a .22 super expediter when the skull explodes on a hard surface.:yes:

Bloody tree huggers!! The teacher should have grown some balls & done the deed him/herself.

[Colapop]

That's where farm life is bloody good. We moved to the farm when I was about 8 I think and we were considered "townies" until we'd killed our own sheep. I used to check the traps (Gin) once a day (sometimes twice) and smack 'em on the head with a hammer - the babies too.
The farm is all about life and death. We even had a couple of pigs (in succession) they were both called Lunch - we were under no illusions. All town kids should experience the farm not just a day trip.

[Ixion]

Uh, is not the "grab by tail" bit easier said than done ? My experience of these blighters up close is that they have several hundred razor sharp claws pointing in every direction, the strength of ten men and more teeth than a crocodile. And the contortionist ability of a ninja master.

I'd go with the "hit them with a long heavy thing" method. While wearing a suit of armour.

I've hit one maybe two on the bike, about the same as rabbits in that respect. (Ordinary rabbits, not the dreaded Kamikazi Bunny from Hell)

[Goblin]

Uh, is not the "grab by tail" bit easier said than done ?
Not if you're quick. It's the all important "grab and swing". The momentum prevents the possum getting a chance to turn around & get you. You must hang on really tight too as the tail is quite slippery. Don't want it flying free mid-swing.

[Paul in NZ]

I got talked into using a humane trap last time we had one in our garden...

That actually gives you a bit of a problem because the while the trap is humane, there is no way I could think of the reach in and grab the bastard without getting mauled. The first one was half possum and half grizzly bear and had obviously been on the P all night.. Feckin Kujo ... It had a serious attitude problem and had not read the bit about us humans being top of the food chain...

Eventually I emptied the whole lot into a garbage bag and gassed it with the car exhaust which worked peachy but what a lot of shagging about and not particularly humane...

[SwanTiger]

Uh, is not the "grab by tail" bit easier said than done ?

They are actually quite an adorable little creature in my opinion.

Holding down with a piece of wood and hitting over the head with a hammer is quite a humane way of dispatching the possum.

The "bashing over the head" method was quite popular in many of the Eastern European conflicts where the massacre of humans were desired.

This Politically Correct society is depressing.

[Goblin]

Exactly Paul. Meanwhile this government is murdering people by not providing life saving hospital care which they are entitled to and all people piss and moan about is a fucking dead possum.

This country is a joke.
Well if you hate NZ and NZers so much why dont you just move to Sweden?

[Paul in NZ]

Well if you hate NZ and NZers so much why dont you just move to Sweden?

I think he means he loves NZ but hates whats happening to it.

[Ixion]

They can be tamed, if taken as infants, and make good pets. I used as a boy to live next door to a chap who had a pet one, it rode around on his shoulder.

[Colapop]

Mmmmm Sweden....

[Badcat]

God, we're turning into a bunch of emasculated mincing little queens, constantly looking over our shoulder in case we offend other oxygen theives.
They are fucking VERMIN, next we'll be making mousetraps illegal.
Almost as gay as forcing a dog to be vegan.

God i hate you hippy.

[Finn]

Well if you hate NZ and NZers so much why don’t you just move to Sweden?

Paul's response is accurate. However your response is typical of an ignorant kiwi that doesn't have a single thought of their own and can only come up with "why don't you just leave then :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: "

If you paid attention to what's going on in your country, you'd know that far too many contributing kiwi's are leaving NZ for various reason, all well founded. Labour is taking advantage of this (knowing that smart hard working people don't vote left and replacing them with a melting pot of refugees guaranteeing them a vote.

Moving to another country is on the cards but I'll wait until I've milked this place as much as I can. While my GF is from Sweden, she knows I'll never move to another country ruined by socialism, even though Sweden understands and works capitalism to it's advantage, it's still run by lefties and their tax system is really nasty.

I'm really concerned about the future of NZ. It scares me to think that if we're not careful, it'll become another third world pacific island. The worse thing is that a majority of kiwis either don't care or are too stupid to realise what's going on.

[SwanTiger]

Moving to another country is on the cards but I'll wait until I've milked this place as much as I can.

What sort of business do you run? The movie 'Boiler Room' comes to mind.


I'm really concerned about the future of NZ. It scares me to think that if we're not careful, it'll become another third world pacific island. The worse thing is that a majority of kiwis either don't care or are too stupid to realise what's going on.

One thing that always baffles me is how vocal the minority toss-pots manage to be.

What are the roads like over in Australia?

[Goblin]

I think he means he loves NZ but hates whats happening to it.
Don't we all though? It's PC gone mad again.

When you can't even kill a possum in a school without parents jumping up & down complaining, it's a pretty sad state of affairs. I'd like to know what these bleeding hearts think is a more humane way of killing vermin. Would they rather give it the blue injection?

If any court action is taken I do hope the SPCA is held responsible for not helping the school in the first place.

[Colapop]

The really unfortunate thing (a side issue) is that those people who care about the country are not only the ones who can afford to leave...

[Damon]

Have you read the readers opinons bellow the article? hows this for a quote:

"Teach children how to kill a possum with a hammer today; tomorrow they will know how to dispose of a neighbourhood human nuisance."

all i can say is :doobey:

[sAsLEX]

Yes but Spotwood College is in the middle of New Plymouth. Shooting things would be no go, unless you caught it and took it somewhere... and I expect the college doesn't have a possum trap handy for such occasions.

I agree 200% with the humane treatment thing.

Wouldnt be too suprised if someone actually did have a sawn off or a pistol in their possesion at that school


Actually mine did (New Plymouth Boys)... probably still does for the .22 shooting at the gun club

Yip they have a fair few guns, the gun safe is in the Old school hall, mostly old war rifles bored down to .22, think they call them No. 8s .

What would they suggest is a humane way of killing a posum, probally hugging it to death!

[Goblin]

Paul's response is accurate. However your response is typical of an ignorant kiwi that doesn't have a single thought of their own and can only come up with "why don't you just leave then :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: "

If you paid attention to what's going on in your country, you'd know that far too many contributing kiwi's are leaving NZ for various reason, all well founded. Labour is taking advantage of this (knowing that smart hard working people don't vote left and replacing them with a melting pot of refugees guaranteeing them a vote.

I have the occasional thought of my own Finn. I dont like the way the country is being ruined either but I know voting National wont fix it. Look what old Bulger & Shitly did for us. Don Brash for PM? I hope not. If National get in I will be considering moving my family to another country too.

[Big Dave]

I hope they didn't mess up the pelt - make mighty fine socks when blended with a bit of merino.

What I would like to see is less people whingeing about whats wrong with this country and actually DO something about it.

Finn - if that's your attituide - I'll contribute towards your plane ticket out of here. You deserve to live in America - or maybe Nigeria would be appropriate.

Some of you need a reality check.
We live in probably the most beautiful place on the planet, with a managable population base, workable race relations, sane foreign policy, comparativly safe environments, no wars, and enjoy first world conditions for everything. If you work hard you can get ahead and prosper and it's GOT to be the best place there is for zooming around on motorcycles.

Smell the fucking roses and stop burning valves on trivial stuff.

[Goblin]

Moving to another country is on the cards but I'll wait until I've milked this place as much as I can. .....even though Sweden understands and works capitalism to it's advantage, it's still run by lefties and their tax system is really nasty.


Yes....and you wouldnt want to move to a country you couldn't milk now would you.:nono:

Did it ever occur to you that greedy people who "milk" the system might be in some way responsible for the way things are going.

[slimjim]

aarrrrrggggg crap,, makes you wonder poeple ,just how thoughtless it can seem
yup its a good blood sport for the youngers,, cause there's a out cry after them girls take it to the bus drivers
now big headlines, animal smrashed to death in front of tomorrows parents ,, fuck sake someone wake up please

[Deano]

My dog has despatched many a possum (and a couple of wild goats).

I used to think it was great - the dog loved it and I felt I was doing the country side a favour. It was neither quick nor humane though. They are tough bastards alright.

The dog tracked onto one in a park one day and I was egging him on - then some dude came over and told me to stop it because it was cruel. I said it was more like pest control and nature all at once. :yes:

[SPman]

So you think our schools should have rifles then?
A locker full of AK47's would be the go. Theres a few more vermin that could be taken care of as well........................

[Paul in NZ]

I dunno...

Perhaps they should have taken away it's license and then put the possum on a prostrate cancer waiting list, not exactly humane but very effective..

[bobsmith]

Finn - if that's your attituide - I'll contribute towards your plane ticket out of here. You deserve to live in America - or maybe Nigeria would be good.

Some of you need a reality check.
We live in probably the most beautiful place on the planet, with a managable population base, workable race relations, sane foreign policy, comparativly safe environments, no wars, and enjoy first world conditions for everything. If you work hard you can get ahead and prosper and it's GOT to be the best place there is for zooming around on motorcycles.

Smell the fucking roses and stop burning valves on trivial stuff.

Big Dave - My attitude is like Finn's Oh actually I'm a much worse capitalistic, commie/socialist hating bastard. Would you contribute towards my ticking out of here for America? Oh I need a visa there first, maybe you could help me with that too?

Just a thought, I don't think you want people like me on this country. Besides, I'm a big supporter for Nuclear power and I hate monarchy.

[Big Dave]

I dunno...

Perhaps they should have taken away it's license and then put the possum on a prostrate cancer waiting list, not exactly humane but very effective..


Isn't it 'prostate'?

[Big Dave]

I don't think you want people like me on this country. Besides, I'm a big supporter for Nuclear power and I hate monarchy.


Value judgements - but I don't regard either as trivial.
No monarchist either - but the method of government is more prominent that the dispatch of a marsupial.

No Nukes. Wait for fission.

What I'm getting at is the first reaction is 'this country is going to pot' when 'Sounds like the SPCA needs some help' .....


And what a great idea - we start a fund to ship all the negged out sad cunts out of here! - Adelaide. we send 'em all to Adelaide. 2000km from anywhere.

put me down for $5

[Paul in NZ]

Isn't it 'prostate'?

Dunno, not much good at medicine or punctuation...

[mstriumph]

I dunno...

Perhaps they should have taken away it's license and then put the possum on a prostrate cancer waiting list, not exactly humane but very effective..
Isn't it 'prostate'?

he could well be prostrate if he had to wait long enuff for the op :yes:

[madboy]

It's just another media beatup of some tree huggers who missed their ADHD meds today. Buggers forget who and what industries built the country. It wasn't tree hugging nor basket weaving, that's for sure.

Imagine the headlines in a rural school - "Year 3 pupil shoots possum square between eyes at 100ft", oh, but wait then they'd get shit for having firearms in such a young 'un.

[Big Dave]

he could well be prostrate if he had to wait long enuff for the op :yes:


I need to lie down.

["D" FZ1]

A doco on TV the other week showed a proffessional possum hunter that trapped them in gin traps and when he found one in his trap he pulled out his hammer and nailed the little fuckers :gob:

[Colapop]

Isn't it 'prostate'?
No no it's prostrate. After you get it you end up prostrate - in a box!

[Big Dave]

Dunno, not much good at medicine or punctuation...


'trust me," I-m a *specialist•

[Finn]

Finn - if that's your attituide - I'll contribute towards your plane ticket out of here. You deserve to live in America - or maybe Nigeria would be appropriate.

Thanks for your very generous offer Dave. Given that I travel first class your contribution is appreciated. The US is not such a bad place as long as you have a bit of cash. It's a consumers paradise however having spent a year there, it's not in my top 5. To be honest I hadn't given Nigeria much thought but will look into it.

[Damon]

A doco on TV the other week showed a proffessional possum hunter that trapped them in gin traps and when he found one in his trap he pulled out his hammer and nailed the little fuckers :gob:

He's not exactly gonna bake it a cake? a hammer saves ammo too

[NotaGoth]

Reminds me of the kids at school.. Kicking a little mouse... Then standing back laughing at it while watching it try and crawl with broken legs and stuff...Sure.. A possum is a HUGE pest.. But I won't even hit them with my car after seeing a cat that "didn't quite" die after someone hit it..Call me pathetic.. But the thought makes me sick... There were other ways they could have gone about killing the possum...I don't feel the teacher should have encouraged the killing of the possum... each to their own opinion though..

[Big Dave]

Thanks for your very generous offer Dave. Given that I travel first class your contribution is appreciated. The US is not such a bad place as long as you have a bit of cash. It's a consumers paradise however having spent a year there, it's not in my top 5. To be honest I hadn't given Nigeria much thought but will look into it.



Viva la consumer capitalist! - I make advertising ffs.

It's the crowds and amounty of people stateside that turn me off - same as I left Sydney 25 years ago - just too many folks in one place.

And I only travel first class too - I have a Buell and a Triumph.

[Finn]

Yes....and you wouldnt want to move to a country you couldn't milk now would you.:nono:

Did it ever occur to you that greedy people who "milk" the system might be in some way responsible for the way things are going.

The milking I was referring to is the extraction of cash from people I provide a world class service to. Totally legal and is a result of very hard work. Did you realise that your government milked kiwis by overtaxing them to the sum of $6 billion last year?

Meanwhile a good friends mother was recently diagnosed with the big C. It is critical that she has an opp ASAP. This was 4 weeks ago and she is still on the waiting list and it could be another 4 - 8 weeks. I have agreed to fund the op privately and she goes under the knife tomorrow. Nice one Helen. That's why I don't pay much tax at all in NZ.

[SwanTiger]

Meanwhile a good friends mother was recently diagnosed with the big C. It is critical that she has an opp ASAP. This was 4 weeks ago and she is still on the waiting list and it could be another 4 - 8 weeks. I have agreed to fund the op privately and she goes under the knife tomorrow. Nice one Helen. That's why I don't pay much tax at all in NZ.

You ain't wrong there.

My girlfriend went over to Thailand for several operations and stayed in a private hospital. She said that it was amazing, 15 patients to one ward with 30 or more nurses. Facilities were amazing too.

Just goes to show, even a shithole like Thailand has better health facilities.

The amazing thing is that it cost less than half for what it would of over here if she went to a private hospital.

So Finn, what is this world class service you provide?

Sounds like prostitution.

[Big Dave]

The milking I was referring to is the extraction of cash from people I provide a world class service to. Totally legal and is a result of very hard work. Did you realise that your government milked kiwis by overtaxing them to the sum of $6 billion last year?

Meanwhile a good friends mother was recently diagnosed with the big C. It is critical that she has an opp ASAP. This was 4 weeks ago and she is still on the waiting list and it could be another 4 - 8 weeks. I have agreed to fund the op privately and she goes under the knife tomorrow. Nice one Helen. That's why I don't pay much tax at all in NZ.

hope it works out - thats too serious a context to continue debate for me.
out.
dc

[Finn]

And I only travel first class too - I have a Buell and a Triumph.

Now I have to go there...

Captain: "This is your captian speaking. The turbulence you are experiencing is quite normal in our new all American Buell twin engined Aircraft. Designed for you rough flyers out there. Sit back, try to relax and please refrain from removing your goggles during the flight as the hot oil splatters will burn your eyeballs. Don't worry about the tray tables, they don't work.

Big Dave: "Burp"

Moments later...

"This is your captian speaking, we've experienced mechanical problems in our number one engine and have shut it down. There will be a 2 hour delay to our destination. Please do not be alarmed as this aircraft can run on a single engine."

Big Dave: "Oh struth mate, fair crack of the wip."

Moment later...

Captain: Ah... this is your captain speaking, our... number two engine is on fire... and we've had to shut it down....."

Big Dave: "Crickey! We're gonna be up here all day!

[Big Dave]

Aha - This I will engage!
(Just not life and death on a phosphor screen).

You're stuck in the myth of Harley unreliability.
14,000km and hasn't missed a beat on the Tractor and the T'bird has done the last 100,000km with nothing more than Oil, filters and a bad coil.

It's yer Alitalia making a forced landing old bean.

[sAsLEX]

How would the greens solve any problems in the real world.

See possums are a threat to our clean green image, but they are not willing to reduce this threat as all options to kill them are viewed as not green.

[Finn]

It's yer Alitalia making a forced landing old bean.

Ah. I forgot about that. I better be quiet.

[Big Dave]

AND I would have said: "Oh struth mate, fair crack of the wip, by jingoes, don't come the raw prawn, stone the crows, by crikey, bugger me, fair dinkum, bonza, cobber, matie."

[Pixie]

I've seen a pair of dogs tear a possum apart, they dont give a shit about being inhumane, thats nature, what the differince from a couple of kids with a hammer? appart from the whinging hippies who feel guilty about it.

What would have happened if it had been hit by a car and crawled to the side of the road with it's guts hanging out bleeding to death? somehow i think the hammer would have been quicker, it's not like they strung it up on an old spring bed and feed it 50000 volts :shutup:
Dogs can't be humane by definition.
They're dogs

[Motu]

Finn - if that's your attituide - I'll contribute towards your plane ticket out of here. .

It's all talk,he'll never leave...this is a paradise for wingers and moaners,Finn will be out of his comfort zone in the real world.

We have ourselves to blame for the possum plague of course,and this goes beyond Goverments as the bounty plan was ongoing through party changes.There was such good money to be made from possums that the hunters were catching and rereleasing,regenerating their cash cow....

[Damon]

Dogs can't be humane by definition.
They're dogs

Well aren't you the smartie, what i was saying is humans are the only animal to care about their opponents welfare when trying to kill it

[Pixie]

Yes....and you wouldnt want to move to a country you couldn't milk now would you.:nono:

Did it ever occur to you that greedy people who "milk" the system might be in some way responsible for the way things are going.
milking the system is the New Zealand way.
It's why we vote socialist

[James Deuce]

Yep, all schools should teach the art of shooting....probably be more useful in some countries ;)

So you'd teach kids to shoot, with decent disciplined weapons handling I hope, including maintaining their weapons, but you won't let them kill a possum with a hammer?

Pardon me, but weapons are for.... I know, Killing! Crikey.

[Big Dave]

Dogs can't be humane by definition.
They're dogs


Ever see that foo fighters clip - 'dogs are the best people?'
Outstanding.

[Pixie]

The whole "Humane" thing is a load of shit,from a physiological viewpoint.
Generally,severe injury,such as being torn apart by wild animals is painless.As long as the victim dies of the injuries within 10 minutes or so.
People who have been shot report the feeling to be like a dull impact .
The same for being stabbed.
I have had a leg crushed between a car and a bike,and the pain ,initially was not that bad.
Pain is a message to remove a creature from the cause of that pain.
If the damage is so severe that getting away is pointless, the brain doesn't process the messages.

[Big Dave]

It's all talk,he'll never leave...this is a paradise for wingers and moaners,Finn will be out of his comfort zone in the real world.

We have ourselves to blame for the possum plague of course,and this goes beyond Goverments as the bounty plan was ongoing through party changes.There was such good money to be made from possums that the hunters were catching and rereleasing,regenerating their cash cow....


Wow - evolution must be bitchin' here!
It would take millions of years for a possum to evolve into a cow back home.:blip:

There must be some sort of biological control. Look at the koala bear - it faced/faces extinction because it has a strain of clamidia (sp?) effecting the entire species.

I know there are some shockers in the history of biological control, (prickly pear and the cane toad eg) but surely science can give 'em all the clap or something?

[Big Dave]

So you'd teach kids to shoot, with decent disciplined weapons handling I hope, including maintaining their weapons, but you won't let them kill a possum with a hammer?

Pardon me, but weapons are for.... I know, Killing! Crikey.


I guess it also depends on how much 'Lord of the Flies' was involved?

[James Deuce]

I never liked that fat kid with the glasses anyway.

[Paul in NZ]

I never liked that fat kid with the glasses anyway.


Hey! I heard that.....

[ManDownUnder]

The whole "Humane" thing is a load of shit,from a physiological viewpoint.
Generally,severe injury,such as being torn apart by wild animals is painless.As long as the victim dies of the injuries within 10 minutes or so.
People who have been shot report the feeling to be like a dull impact .
The same for being stabbed.
I have had a leg crushed between a car and a bike,and the pain ,initially was not that bad.
Pain is a message to remove a creature from the cause of that pain.
If the damage is so severe that getting away is pointless, the brain doesn't process the messages.

I'd never thought of it like that, and you have a good point.

My "Humane Killing" definition revolves around 3 things:
1) A certain death. "Having a whack" at something is far from certain. You hit it and it runs away pained and suffering... that's the undesirable approach I'm talking about.

Pin the little bugger down (which they did) and giving it good hard smack with a solid instrument (which they did) and the liklihood of it dying increases dramatically.

2) A quick death. What's the point is making death linger? If there's a quick way of dispatching something it should be used. It also minimises the possibility of escape, and the prospect of option 1 (above) kicking in.

3) A painless death. Your post certainly made me think about that one - an angle I'd never considered before. I have to admit my general philosophy hasn't changed at all, but your points are certainly something to think about.

I'll still be trying for a head shot instead of a gut shot, and I'll make sure the hammer is adequate to dispatch possums upon first contact.

MDU

[Storm]

Good possum = dead possum.
Nuff said

[SARGE]

Yep, all schools should teach the art of shooting....probably be more useful in some countries ;)



my gym teacher had 2 .45's and a 30.06 in his office...


i grew up in a " gun-culture" we learned at a very early age about gun safety and how to use them..i had pistols and semi-auto assault style rifles displayed in my lounge back home .. my kid knew not to touch them or even open the cabinet..


different strokes i guess

[Mr. Peanut]

:shutup: Pretty soon teachers arn't even gonna be able to look at the kids, they'll be constarined to sitting in a little wooden box with a microphone, and forced to wear a burka when leaving or entering the school. :shutup:

FFS teachers are people too, kids are gonna enter the real world at some point, and all of this PC bullshit isn't gonna change that fact. :whocares:

[mstriumph]

No no it's prostrate. After you get it you end up prostrate - in a box!

is there an echo in here? :wait: ....... anyway, that's 'supine'?

[mstriumph]

what disturbs me is not the killing but the total group participation & lack of dissention

seems to me it equates with fox-hunting in england

yes foxes are vermin and yes, definately need killing ............ but wat i objected to as a child was sicko folks gettin all done up in pretty pink coats and taking the kiddies along and making a fun day out of tearing them to bits with a pack of dogs [the foxes - not the kiddies]

one of my schoolmates came to school with blood still smeared over her face where she had been 'blooded' the weekend before [old english social custom .... don't ask] and had refused to have it washed off

...i stuck her head down the loo and flushed

i was about 7

i haven't changed - i support pest control


re-reading this, honesty makes me admit that there are some PEOPLE i would enjoy hitting repeatedly with a hammer - with or without an audience cheering me on ..... :o

[TonyB]

So, they hit it repeatedly on the head with a hammer. At the very least it would have been rendered unconcious by the first blow. After that it wouldn't have known a thing. Possums are notoriously hard to kill. I would have thought giving it a couple more whacks to make sure it was dead was actually being humane. Maybe I don't have all the facts, but I can't see a problem with what they did.

As for the group parcipitation- possums are also extremly strong (I've had one stand up and start walking when I was using my body weight to pin it down) and they can move pretty darn quick- they wouldn't have had time to get everyone out of the room

[scumdog]

my gym teacher had 2 .45's and a 30.06 in his office...


i grew up in a " gun-culture" we learned at a very early age about gun safety and how to use them..i had pistols and semi-auto assault style rifles displayed in my lounge back home .. my kid knew not to touch them or even open the cabinet..


different strokes i guess

Sounds like the upbringing I had - soft-cock hippies are the ruination of society!
(and a lot eat fish 'not meat' and wear leather).
But I love thier 'peacenik' ideas - shame the criminals in this country don't)

[Skyryder]

Teacher should have killed the possum. Not the kids. If he/she could not do it then set it free.

Skyryder

[TonyB]

These were year 13 kids. So that makes them 17/ 18 years old I guess. In the past, 18 year old Kiwi kids have gone off to war and had to kill a whole lot more than just possums.

[nadroj]

Reminds me of the kids at school.. Kicking a little mouse... Then standing back laughing at it while watching it try and crawl with broken legs and stuff...Sure.. A possum is a HUGE pest.. But I won't even hit them with my car after seeing a cat that "didn't quite" die after someone hit it..Call me pathetic.. But the thought makes me sick... There were other ways they could have gone about killing the possum...I don't feel the teacher should have encouraged the killing of the possum... each to their own opinion though..
After you have swerved to avoid a possum on the road & ploughed into a power pole you will realise the lesser of two evils & prefer the one that doesn't hurt you as much both physically & in the pocket.

[mstriumph]

These were year 13 kids. So that makes them 17/ 18 years old I guess. In the past, 18 year old Kiwi kids have gone off to war and had to kill a whole lot more than just possums.

i'll think you've got a valid arguement once they start arming the possums .....
until then, i'm with kitti on this

[Colapop]

is there an echo in here? :wait: ....... anyway, that's 'supine'?
Hello hello hello hello no there's no echo.
BTW
"Prostrate - To cause to lie flat"
"Supine - # Lying on the back or having the face upward."
Dictionary.com so it must be right...

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh..

A few years back, I went back to one of my fave valleys in a very remote part of the West Coast... The damage done by the possums was a genuine shock... The rata had been decimated and near where I used to camp, a massive tree had died of starvation from possum damage and crashed down taking centuries of forest with it.

Kill the little fuckers - I don't care how you do it.... Teaching these kids to kill possums is a good thing..

[Big Dave]

Sounds like the upbringing I had - soft-cock hippies are the ruination of society!
(and a lot eat fish 'not meat' and wear leather).
But I love thier 'peacenik' ideas - shame the criminals in this country don't)


"Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

George Orwell

[mstriumph]

Hello hello hello hello no there's no echo.
BTW
"Prostrate - To cause to lie flat"
"Supine - # Lying on the back or having the face upward."
Dictionary.com so it must be right...

YOU said "in a box"
----- that's how they lay 'em when they box 'em - lying on their backs with their face upwards -------- :yes: and that's 'supine'

stands to reason, don't it ---- the relli's want to be looking at the dear departed's FACE, not ...... well ........ not at the other side

although, of course, the dear departed would, at the time, be viewing the "other side" so to speak ...........

:o erm .... i'm waffling arn't i? :confused: :shutup:

sorry

[Mr. Peanut]

Reminds me of the kids at school.. Kicking a little mouse... Then standing back laughing at it while watching it try and crawl with broken legs and stuff...Sure.. A possum is a HUGE pest.. But I won't even hit them with my car after seeing a cat that "didn't quite" die after someone hit it..Call me pathetic.. But the thought makes me sick... There were other ways they could have gone about killing the possum...I don't feel the teacher should have encouraged the killing of the possum... each to their own opinion though..

Thats what boy-racers with super low cars are for, Body kits make for excellent guillotenes :innocent:

[mstriumph]

Sigh.......................
Kill the little fuckers - I don't care how you do it.... Teaching these kids to kill possums is a good thing..

yes! yes!! YES!!!

ohhhhhhhhh :o 'possums' again ........ i thought you said 'pollies' :o

[TonyB]

Sigh..

A few years back, I went back to one of my fave valleys in a very remote part of the West Coast... The damage done by the possums was a genuine shock... The rata had been decimated and near where I used to camp, a massive tree had died of starvation from possum damage and crashed down taking centuries of forest with it.

Kill the little fuckers - I don't care how you do it.... Teaching these kids to kill possums is a good thing..
AND they're conspiring against us- lying in wait for their chance to attack ;)
Case in point- riding my mountain bike along the Summit Road at night last week with a friend. Next thing she screamed and slammed on her brakes. A large possum (apparently trained in the ways of the Ninja) had leapt from a rock face, trying to land on her back. Clearly possums are in training for a massed attack. You may laugh... but how many of us are there... and how many of them..... be afraid people!

Actually Paul, reading your post seems to give a good reason to get rid of all the humans... we're pretty good at deforestation..

[NotaGoth]

After you have swerved to avoid a possum on the road & ploughed into a power pole you will realise the lesser of two evils & prefer the one that doesn't hurt you as much both physically & in the pocket.


I don't swerve to miss them. Been given that lecture already. :nono: Know a girl who totalled her car swerving to miss a bunny rabbit. If I see one up ahead and can slow down safely I will do so. If I HAVE to hit it I will. I'm dumb but not that dumb. :wait:

[NotaGoth]

Thats what boy-racers with super low cars are for, Body kits make for excellent guillotenes :innocent:


.....sick.....

[The_Dover]

.....sick.....

It bloody well is, downright disgusting.

And a waste of good fibreglass too. Imagine doing that to your mum's car? It's like putting syrup on a turd, it still ain't a pancake.

[NotaGoth]

downright disgusting.



Yes.. Yes you are..



:nya:

[Patrick]

It's like putting syrup on a turd, it still ain't a pancake.

Depends on how flat it is... a shit pancake all the same though, but still a pan cake...???