Cycling home from school (Long)

[Wellyman]

Hey team!

I just though I would share a story sorry it is a bit long but anyways:

Everyday I cycle to and from school the same way, and on part of it is a walkway. Now I have been walking up here every morning and cycling down it every afternoon since I started going to college,until recently I have been given a bit of abuse from a lady who lives beside this walkway.

She belives that I am ripping the grass by riding down it which is not true as I'm only braking and in the wet my brakes ain't that fantastic and lock up, and it is also been made by a rain carving a hole in it. everyday after school she comes outside and waits for me and bitches and moans at me not to ride down it, but as it is council land I figured I am allowed to as she dosen't "maintain" it, but she claims she does which is total bullshit!

now why don't I ride down on the concrete footpath you ask:

a) it is for people on foot (obviously)
b) it has got a few single steps/ Stairs and a set of 3 which I don't ride down as it buckles and bends my rims.

now, today the saga continued as her and her friend/neighbour/husband (im not sure) took my photo and reckons she's going to send to the principal of our school, big deal!

I think that everything I'm doing is in the right here as im not in the way of pedestrians or causing damage, but obviously according to the B%^*$! I am.

Thanks for reading and have a good evening.
Wellyman

[ManDownUnder]

No worries...

It'll blow over as these things do. Let the principal deal with it and if he asks you to explain - do so... just like you did here.

The old dear might have nothing better to do, so some community involvement (i.e. putting her nose over every fence available) might be her thing.

As I said - no worries... it really isn't life and death stuff is it?
MDU

[Wellyman]

No worries...

It'll blow over as these things do. Let the principal deal with it and if he asks you to explain - do so... just like you did here.

The old dear might have nothing better to do, so some community involvement (i.e. putting her nose over every fence available) might be her thing.

As I said - no worries... it really isn't life and death stuff is it?
MDU
Nope, but she actually makes laugh as she always comes outside and yells at me everyday, she makes and effort just to yell at 1 person, shes going to be disappointed next week while I'm away :lol:.
WM

[ManDownUnder]

Nope, but she actually makes laugh as she always comes outside and yells at me everyday, she makes and effort just to yell at 1 person, shes going to be disappointed next week while I'm away :lol:.
WM

It's a shame - you should give her a lkist of possible targets and their various misdemenours (by category) in case she's interested.

Make it sound like you're taking her seriously:doobey:

[Drum]

Let her enjoy her grumbling. Fills in the day!

If this is her biggest problem, then life is good for her!

You could always do "super friendly". A big wave, smile, and "hi" to her every day. That should really wind her up!

[Motu]

The Northshore is a wierd place,some really fucked up people live over there....

[Squeak the Rat]

I'd be more concerned if she went to the council. "Damaging council property" or something similar?.......

[Ixion]

Turn the problem back on her. You don't ride down the path way because of the risk to pedestrians, and the steps.

Tell her you appreciate what a good job she is doing maintaining the grass, and how community minded that is.

Then point out that you need to get to school, because you realise how important a good education is nowdays. You're sure she wouldn't agree with kids playing truant , right ? But you can't ride down the pathway (because of the risk to mothers and little children) , and because the steps make it too dangerous). And ask her to use her influence and organising ability to get the council to put in a cycle path for cyclists. because if they did, probably some car drivers would start using it instead of driving their cars, which would help the environment. Just loom at all those buttons getting pushed!

If she says get lost, then you can point out that it is HER fault if you have to ride on the grass. If she says OK , then it will keep her busy and she won't bug you.

[ManDownUnder]

Turn the problem back on her. You don't ride down the path way because of the risk to pedestrians, and the steps.

Tell her you appreciate what a good job she is doing maintaining the grass, and how community minded that is.

Then point out that you need to get to school, because you realise how important a good education is nowdays. You're sure she wouldn't agree with kids playing truant , right ? But you can't ride down the pathway (because of the risk to mothers and little children) , and because the steps make it too dangerous). And ask her to use her influence and organising ability to get the council to put in a cycle path for cyclists. because if they did, probably some car drivers would start using it instead of driving their cars, which would help the environment. Just loom at all those buttons getting pushed!

If she says get lost, then you can point out that it is HER fault if you have to ride on the grass. If she says OK , then it will keep her busy and she won't bug you.

1) Classy!!!!
2) I like it
3) goto 1 (is that old school or WHAT??)

[crashe]

Ixion - well said.... yep thats the way to go about this wee issue...

[Smorg]

Sick Spence onto her.....that'll sort the bitch , she should probably stop praying on young men as well

[thealmightytaco]

Just ride past her as fast as you can, I mean, dangerously fast, and let her know it's because you have to get the hell away from her as soon as possible. Hopefully she'll learn the more she tries the faster you'll go, risking life, limb and grass, and she'll back off to let you ride nice anc calmly and preserve it.

And tell her to have sex with a mango.

[thealmightytaco]

Or better yet, tell her to have sex with a just juice carton.

[kickingzebra]

When I was that age, there was nothing wrong with a good old paper bag, a match, and a big pile of steaming dog turd... Doorbell, Pizza!!
LOL
Ixion wins. You could add to the list mysterious valentine cards in her mailbox!

[Dont_die_wondering]

shes not actually aloud to randomly take pictures of you without your permission dude. also if its the councils land then its none of her buisness, as they take responsibility in maintaining the land not others (unless employed to do so) it sounds like she is harassing you, which she also isnt aloud to do, and, she also cant blame any damage on you because its a public walkway, and she cant send any photos to your school (teamed with blaming you for damage), as that would be slander.
best you can do is totally ignore her, dont talk to her. losing battle for her really.

yea. i did study law for a while..

[Dont_die_wondering]

and LOL@taco! :lol:

[The Pastor]

Your all forgetting the solution here - Get a motorbike, then every day on your way to school go and do some burn outs on her lawn... I mean comon.

[Wellyman]

Thanks for all the comments guys , some great sugestions. I shall take the digi camera down tomorrow and shoot some photos and post them up. the war hasn't ended yet.........
WM

[Wellyman]

Sick Spence onto her.....that'll sort the bitch , she should probably stop praying on young men as well
Why the fuck do you always mention spence, I din't know you were a fan of him. I'm sure your secretly deniying your love for him smorgen.


WM











By The way I was joking

[marty]

shes not actually aloud to randomly take pictures of you without your permission dude. also if its the councils land then its none of her buisness, as they take responsibility in maintaining the land not others (unless employed to do so) it sounds like she is harassing you, which she also isnt aloud to do, and, she also cant blame any damage on you because its a public walkway, and she cant send any photos to your school (teamed with blaming you for damage), as that would be slander.
best you can do is totally ignore her, dont talk to her. losing battle for her really.

yea. i did study law for a while..

so she can't take pictures of the grass that just happen to have a guy riding a bike in the back ground?

it's as much business of hers as this is of yours.

she can blame all she likes. if she sees him doing it, it's first person

slander? please expand your reasoning.

law? the law of (very) average maybe.

[Kendog]

Some people aren't happy unless they are making someone else unhappy, and generally have such little pointless lives that they have nothing better to do than worry about what other people are doing and slag them off. Like others have said, don't give her the satisfaction, just ignore her and maybe she''ll find someone else to entertain her.
Mrs KD

[inlinefour]

Some people aren't happy unless they are making someone else unhappy, and generally have such little pointless lives that they have nothing better to do than worry about what other people are doing and slag them off. Like others have said, don't give her the satisfaction, just ignore her and maybe she''ll find someone else to entertain her.
Mrs KD

Its her with the problem, not WM. Its people like this granny who insist on a PC world that make life miserable for everyone else. Here in the naki the big bitchabout is about killing a possum with a hammer, bleeding hearted possum kissing, tree hugging liberal hippies insisting on polictical correctness...
As far as I'm concerned people like this can get a great big humvee up them and then go and have sex with a mango (cheers tacos). End of the day, you appear to be taking this issue to heart when it should be just ignored. Provided that your princial has common sense, it'll come to nothing.

[Dont_die_wondering]

so she can't take pictures of the grass that just happen to have a guy riding a bike in the back ground?

it's as much business of hers as this is of yours.

she can blame all she likes. if she sees him doing it, it's first person

slander? please expand your reasoning.

law? the law of (very) average maybe. not average law, criminal law......
yes she can blame him all she likes, whats to say hes not the only one doing it?

i wouldnt take advice from anyone if they didnt know what a simple thing like slander is... :whocares:

if he was doing it on purpose, to be malicious, then its diffrent.

also, you cant take pictures of people without their consent, its under the privacy act... or did you know that already?

[Dont_die_wondering]

oh and while im at it,
*took my photo and reckons she's going to send to the principal of our school, big deal!* - if she is going to complain she would hafto go to the council and make a formal complaint, (all complaints are assessed by the council, and they can take action if they see fit, but only if your breaking a law, (or they might put up a no biking on the grass sign lol) do you wear a uniform? if not she cant send a complaint to your principal (as when your wearing a uniforn out of school grounds your school is suposedly resposible for you)

[Drunken Monkey]

...
i wouldnt take advice from anyone if they didnt know what a simple thing like slander is... :whocares:


I think you missed the point. Your understanding of legal slander appears to be incorrect. Slander is typically when one person suffers a financial loss due to a damaged reputation from a (usually) false allegation.


...also, you cant take pictures of people without their consent, its under the privacy act... or did you know that already?

The act typically applies to the unauthorized publishing of photos, not the unauthorized taking of photos.

[Dont_die_wondering]

I think you missed the point. Your understanding of legal slander appears to be incorrect. Slander is typically when one person suffers a financial loss due to a damaged reputation from a (usually) false allegation.



The act typically applies to the unauthorized publishing of photos, not the unauthorized taking of photos. i didnt miss the point. trust me. :yes:

actually slander includes more then finacial loss, slander can cause ruined reputation, as well as embarrassment
or hurt on another person.

the privacy act has many parts to it, including the personal privacy act.i suggest to take a read :) you might learn something

[Dont_die_wondering]

on that note, im trying to give information to Wm, not cause a stir with people whos opinions/views are diffrent to mine :)

i think you'll find my choice of legal points were very much appropriate.

[The Pastor]

Also your forgetting this, she "CAN" send it to the princible and the principal can make life more difficult for said "offender". There is nothing you can do to stop her writing a letter and sending it in, except stalk her and watch her when she posts the letter then go retrive the letter from the letterbox - If its inside a post shop - wear a balaclava.

Personannly I wouldnt do anything except wave at her as you ride past maybe skid on the bit of grass she is getting angry about, If you ride fast enuff she wont be ABLE to take the pic - you will be too blury.

[Jantar]

....Everyday I cycle to and from school the same way, and on part of it is a walkway. Now I have been walking up here every morning and cycling down it every afternoon since I started going to college,until recently I have been given a bit of abuse from a lady who lives beside this walkway.....

Isn't it still illegal to ride a pushbike on a walkway?

[Dont_die_wondering]

Personannly I wouldnt do anything except wave at her as you ride past maybe skid on the bit of grass she is getting angry about, If you ride fast enuff she wont be ABLE to take the pic - you will be too blury. lol and mebbie scream "weeee!" on your way past :lol:

[marty]

i've also studied a little bit of law.

what part of the privacy/crimes/summary offences/fish and chip act relates to not taking photos of damaged grass, that just happens to have a picture of someone doing the damaging it in it? especially after warning said person that these photos may be taken, and any such photos may be passed onto a 3rd party?

and it's not that our opinions are different, you are paraphrasing law, we're arguing that you're wrong. you could always point us to the law you are referring to, then if we're wrong, we'll accept it and go away.

[Wellyman]

Isn't it still illegal to ride a pushbike on a walkway?
Did you read the whole story?
read the whole thing mate and it explains itself.

P.S

can't be bothered today to got get photos ,maybe in a little bit if it fines up.

[Wellyman]

fuck it i'm off its just down the road so i'll take my pushy down their now.be back shortly with pics of the area.
WM

[Dont_die_wondering]

i've also studied a little bit of law.

what part of the privacy/crimes/summary offences/fish and chip act relates to not taking photos of damaged grass, that just happens to have a picture of someone doing the damaging it in it? especially after warning said person that these photos may be taken, and any such photos may be passed onto a 3rd party?

and it's not that our opinions are different, you are paraphrasing law, we're arguing that you're wrong. you could always point us to the law you are referring to, then if we're wrong, we'll accept it and go away. youve studied a little bit of law? loool...ive studied like over a year of law.


he didnt get warning of the pictures taken, she can take pictures of the damaged area as much as she wants,and she can pass them to any person afterwards, but she will hafto go and make a formal complaint. also are you reffering to yourself as a third person? LOL and fish and chip act? ...my you must have studied really hard! :niceone:

[Wellyman]

Photos are here :wari:
WM :corn:

[Dont_die_wondering]

OMG the damage is horrific!!!!


AHAHAHA JUST KIDDING! :lol:

[The Pastor]

get some weed killer and kill the grass....

[Drunken Monkey]

i think you'll find my choice of legal points were very much appropriate.

Well you just go help Wellyman take that 'slander' case to a few lawyers and tell me just how many of them laugh you out of their offices...

[Dont_die_wondering]

Well you just go help Wellyman take that 'slander' case to a few lawyers and tell me just how many of them laugh you out of their offices...
you need to read posts properly before you mouth off.
i didnt say sue the old woman.

slander can be a very painfull experience to some.

[Jantar]

Did you read the whole story?
read the whole thing mate and it explains itself.

P.S

can't be bothered today to got get photos ,maybe in a little bit if it fines up.

I did read the whole post. My understanding of a designated walkway is that it goes from boundary fence to boundary fence. So although you may be riding on the grass, it is still a walkway, and therefore still illegal. Maybe some our boys in blue on this site can elaborate.

[Drunken Monkey]

you need to read posts properly before you mouth off.
i didnt say sue the old woman.

slander can be a very painfull experience to some.

I'm not mouthing off, you're posting rubbish.

In your own words:


...and she cant send any photos to your school (teamed with blaming you for damage), as that would be slander.

Are suggesting the principle is being slanderous? *cough*

I'm not taking any genuine slander case in jest. My point was simple = you could not, in any practical sense, use slander as any form of legal recourse in this case, irrespective of either person(s) actions invloved with this "grass verge" incident. Any legal professional can tell you that.

Why don't you just settle down before you say something really stupid.

[Dont_die_wondering]

I'm not mouthing off, your posting rubbish.

In your own words:



Are suggesting the principle is being slanderous? *cough*

I'm not taking any genuine slander case in jest. My point was simple = you could not, in any practical sense, use slander as any form of legal recourse in this case, irrespective of either person(s) actions invloved with this "grass verge" incident. Any legal professional can tell you that.

Why don't you just settle down before you say something really stupid.
i was meaning photos of HIM not the damage. im sorry your taking what im saying to heart so much dude :)

but seriously :whocares:

[Drunken Monkey]

As one of Hitcher's sacred knights of pedantry, I care.

It doesn't matter whether you're talking about a photo of him which may or may not exist, or damage which he may or may not be causing. Slander does not apply.

[Dont_die_wondering]

good for you, care away.

im not here to start arguements.

[marty]

youve studied a little bit of law? loool...ive studied like over a year of law.


he didnt get warning of the pictures taken, she can take pictures of the damaged area as much as she wants,and she can pass them to any person afterwards, but she will hafto go and make a formal complaint. also are you reffering to yourself as a third person? LOL and fish and chip act? ...my you must have studied really hard! :niceone:

over like, a year? wow, you must know everything.

try 15.

we're still waiting for answers to the requests for links to the appropriate legislation.

[marty]

Why don't you just settle down before you say something really stupid.


oops, too late.....:)

[marty]

i think you'll find my choice of legal points were very much appropriate.

what legal points? back them up with appropriate legal argument.

[Ixion]

In the nature of things, it would normally be very difficult for a photo, in itself to be defamatory (it would be libel, not slander, if it were ). Since a valid defence to defamation is truth, and , unless it has been photoshopped or something, the photo would seem to indicate prima facie truth.

Even if it were misleading, that in itself would probably establish honest opinion, another defence.

Of course, to put forward a photo of some sort of damage, and use that as a basis of an allegation against a person unconnected with the photo could be defamatory. But that is not relevant here, since the OP is admittedly the person in the (hypothetical) photo.

However , as no significant damage has been done,(it can be argued that the minor wear tracks are "fair wear and tear" - like footprints) there would seem little basis for any civil action.

Whether any traffic offence has been committed would depend on signposting etc, but on a push bike it would seem unlikely. And even less likely that the police would be interested.

Of course Mr Wellyman could still find himself in trouble with his principal, charged with annoying silly old biddies. He is young, and therefore, by definition, guilty of something.

[twinkle]

worst case just take the stairs.
your rims should be ok going down those piddly stairs too, long as u don't jump them. just make sure you've got enough air in your tyres.

[Lou Girardin]

The Northshore is a wierd place,some really fucked up people live over there....

Tell me about it. They even want to charge them more to get to Auck in the hope it'll keep them out.

BTW Wellyman why not ride on the road like you're supposed to?
Guess who pays to repair the grass area? Certainly not you, just the mug ratepayers.

[Lou Girardin]

shes not actually aloud to randomly take pictures of you without your permission dude. ..

Yes she can.
Do you think tourists have to get permission from everyone who appears in a photo they take?
What law have you studied, Sod's, Murphy's?

[Beemer]

shes not actually aloud to randomly take pictures of you without your permission dude. ...she cant send any photos to your school (teamed with blaming you for damage), as that would be slander.
yea. i did study law for a while..

I've worked as a photographer for years and you can take photos of whoever and whatever you like in a public place - which this appears to be. The only restriction is in publishing them - if it's a shot of a kid, you usually have to get a parent's permission to use it, and likewise if you plan to use an identifiable shot of someone to illustrate a story about burglary, obesity, etc then you are better off using an image from a photo library or one that has been deliberately set up and labelled "posed by models". I happened to be at a reserve once when some dickhead in a Jap import decided to do donuts on the grass. I took his photo and gave it to the police and he got done for it. Could see his face, could see the wheels spinning - can't tell me that I was in the wrong for passing that photo on.

As for slander - where did you study law? Inside or outside the system? I think you are referring to libel or defamation in any case, and there is the defence of honest belief to that. If she honestly believes this guy IS damaging the grass, then she can't be found guilty of libel.

I think the original poster mentioned something about walking his bike along there in the mornings but riding it in the afternoons. I would think that an easy and non-confrontational answer to this would be to walk the bike past this woman's house at all times. Or ride on the footpath (unless there are signs forbidding it), taking care if there are pedestrians about.

This woman is obviously pissed off so she could take the photos to the council and have barriers and warning signs erected so you'd be stuffed for taking your bike that way in future.

[onearmedbandit]

Beemer, did you have to have permission to shoot in certain areas? Reason I ask (and it has nothing to do with the thread) is when my wife and I got married our photographer had to have a 'licence' to take photos in the Art Centre in Christchurch.

[Dont_die_wondering]

As i said, im not here for petty arguments fellas....im here to enjoy what Kb has to offer, despite what outsiders say about this place.

[marty]

still waiting ddw. back up your claims. it's not petty arguments - you made a statement, now back it up.

[oldrider]

Wellyman, what is most important to "you" in this whole situation and how beneficial is it to you that you "must" win the dispute?

There is more than one way to skin the cat, stand back and really think about what it is you want.

Sometimes winning and being right is not necessarily the most profitable outcome.

The art of diplomacy is, "telling someone where to go and have them looking forward to the trip!"

With a little bit of thought you could turn this whole thing to your favour and have the "old Biddie" become your most ardent admirer.

She may even go to your headmaster singing your praises as an exemplary pupil.

A little bit of bullshit can take you a long, long way, use your charm she will love you instead of hating you.

If you put as much time and effort into placating the situation as you have posting the problems on KB it would not be an issue by now.

Think about it, :mellow: Cheers John.

[Milky]

...she should probably stop praying on young men as well

That brings up some strange metal images. Did you mean preying, perchance?

[Dont_die_wondering]

still waiting ddw. back up your claims. it's not petty arguments - you made a statement, now back it up. i made my statement, you made yours.nuff said

[marty]

thing was, your statement was rubbish, and now that you can't back it up you're just dribbling off. don't start saying something unless you know what the outcome/answer is going to be - but you knew that from your 'law' class didn't you?

[Smorg]

That brings up some strange metal images. Did you mean preying, perchance?

No....strangely enough, I ment what i said. Maybe you should go teach grammer somewhere

[Finn]

This is a storm in a tea cup.

Next time you spot her get off your bike and throw your arms around her making sure you grab a handful of arse, then french kiss the bitch.

From this day forward, you'll have an endless supply of milk and cookies.

[oldrider]

This is a storm in a tea cup.

Next time you spot her get off your bike and throw your arms around her making sure you grab a handful of arse, then french kiss the bitch.

From this day forward, you'll have an endless supply of milk and cookies.

Wellyman, you have been given "the learn" from an obviously practiced "lover"!!
They are so rare these days too! :killingme Ask any woman. :laugh:

[Beemer]

Beemer, did you have to have permission to shoot in certain areas? Reason I ask (and it has nothing to do with the thread) is when my wife and I got married our photographer had to have a 'licence' to take photos in the Art Centre in Christchurch.

That's more to do with where it was and the same would be true if anyone wanted to have wedding photos taken at Te Papa, Parliament, etc. They may be public places, but if someone is getting paid to take the photos and they may be used for advertising purposes in the future, it's a little different. Sometimes it's more of a courtesy thing, they don't charge (although some places do impose a fee) but they like to know what's going on. Also, if it is a popular spot, you can imagine the argy-bargy if half a dozen wedding parties turned up at the same time, all wanting the prime photo locations!

I think it has a lot to do with the intended use of the shots - if you will be making money from them you need to get permission from the owner or manager of the site. However, if you were just taking snaps for your family album, it's highly unlikely anyone will tell you to stop.

When I took photos at schools, you often had to get written permission from the parents if the photos were to be published. Likewise with the supermarket profiles I do - if a person would be identifiable in a shot, I tend to ask if they mind having their photo taken. Only one has said no and I just took photos without him in them.