Speeding ticket - getting off on a technicality

[glegge]

Well yes. 11k's over and I get a ticket.

the nice bit was that when I got the reminder they filled out my name address and date of birth correctly BUT they left my gender blank (no gender? sexless? I think not)...


So, I wrote in saying that I’d be happy to help them locate this genderless person with the name, address and birth date as myself and to please advise the outcome of there investigations.

They replied with there standard form letter - ' we have reviewed the details blah blah.. Pay the ticket.'

I am interested in people’s thoughts on this. I don’t mind paying the ticket but figure if they’re not going to get the paper work right, why should I pay and help revenue collection.
If this is a valid technicality (no sex noted when I clearly am a male) then is that just cause for getting off and I should take it to curt. Why let them get sloppy I say.
Cheers for your thoughts.

[skelstar]

Harden up and take the ticket.:)
Would hardly say that not ticking a box is sloppy.

[glegge]

Harden up and take the ticket.:)
Would hardly say that not ticking a box is sloppy.

Yeah - fair call mate, but i just figure that if we have to live by these laws then fair is fair and they can do the job properly otherwise where does the sloppyness end ay?

thanks for the comment. appreciate the different opinions.

I'd really like a legal stance on this to be honest if anyone knows?

[Str8 Jacket]

Dude, believe me you will not get of your fine for no gender. Seriously. What will happen if you take it to court is that the judge will decide what the cost of the fine for speeding is PLUS you will have to pay $130 court costs on top of it. Its just not worth it. Trust me I have worked for the Min of Justice for 4 years now and have seen this happen time and time again. I remember dealing with a profile of someone who's DOB was recorded incorrectly when he was pulled over. The judge had a field day with him and it ended up costing him a fortune. Im guessing they pulled you over? If they did all the judge will say is you were pulled over so were aware of the fine, end of story. Really not worth the cost, time or energy!

[skelstar]

Ok - two senarios:
1. They get your letter and subsequent legal response and say 'wow, you know if I dotted our i's and cross out t's I would have got this guy...damn, I must be more vigilant'.
2. The officer who hates doing paperwork and wasting his/her time on this kiinda shit has a worse attitude for the next motorcyclist who exceeds the limit by a trivial amount.

Not exactly win/win.:)

I understand why you ask though.

[kiwifruit]

11 km/h over?! Fuckin wankers!!!
Take it court, do everything you can to make the process as difficult as possible for them.
What did they use to ping you?
Was it a car setup? when was the car calibrated? how worn were the tyres?
Its such a waste of time ticketing vehicles travelling such a small amount over,
i wouldnt take it lying down, but thats just me.....
Let us know how u get on
-Allan.

[glegge]

thanks for that. guess i'll just cough up.

I just hate the bit where we are all ment to live by this 'system' and then you start going through it and it's full of holes. the least they could do is get the paper work correct.

as for the cop with a bad attitude due to doing his job... i'm sorry but he shouldint be a cop if he cant handle the paper work. thats not a good excuse for being a prick to the next person on the road. (in my humble opinion).

thanks again for the comments - very constructive.

[kiwifruit]

thanks for that. guess i'll just cough up.



nooooooooo, dont do it!
fight fight fight!!!
:ar15:

[Str8 Jacket]

11 km/h over?! Fuckin wankers!!!
Take it court, do everything you can to make the process as difficult as possible for them.



ARRGH!! NO dont do this! So many people believe that this will solve their problem. It wont. The judge will go, righto here's a fine for $500 for speeding plus another $130 for trying to waste my time. Then you will have two months to pay this larger amount or someone will either take a sum of $$ staright form your source of income or they'll just come and take your vehicle and sell it. It could take them a while to do this if you had simply just not paid the fine, but if you insist on making a big deal and take it to court they will remember you and you will be first on their "enforcement list". Not trying to put anyone down here but just inform you of what will happen...

[glegge]

nooooooooo, dont do it!
fight fight fight!!!
:ar15:
yeah well -i'd like to think i can but from the comments from str8 jacket i'm thinking i'd be wasting my time.
I dont mind the money - it's the demerits and the fact that it's such a dumb speed in a dumb place (bottom of a hill) with a young cop that thinks he's gods gift.. still .. what can you do. sometimes living in this society just sucks and you have to bend over and take it ay.
still - the rules are the rules. the speed is set and we all know it. - that's why it bugs me that they can get away with simple clerical errors when i cant get away with a slight oversight in speed. it's just wrong and dosint help people believe in society and systems.

[kiwifruit]

Bollocks!
I have gotten off more tickets than i have paid by not simply taking the raping they dish out

[glegge]

Dude, believe me you will not get of your fine for no gender. Seriously. What will happen if you take it to court is that the judge will decide what the cost of the fine for speeding is PLUS you will have to pay $130 court costs on top of it. Its just not worth it. Trust me I have worked for the Min of Justice for 4 years now and have seen this happen time and time again. I remember dealing with a profile of someone who's DOB was recorded incorrectly when he was pulled over. The judge had a field day with him and it ended up costing him a fortune. Im guessing they pulled you over? If they did all the judge will say is you were pulled over so were aware of the fine, end of story. Really not worth the cost, time or energy!

I do see your point str8 jacket but what if i'm not trying to waste there time and genuinely believe that they should get there paper work right. ? surley it's a fair defence.? some integrity must play a part somewhere...?

[Str8 Jacket]

What you've got to realise is that the courts are just like Baycorp, its the cops that give you the fine and when its overdue they send it to court. The fine cannot just be wiped by the court the Police have to withdraw it themselves. If they wont do that then the court have to collect it and if you still refuse to pay it the court can MAKE you. I dont necessarily agree with the system, but I know how it works.

[Str8 Jacket]

I do see your point str8 jacket but what if i'm not trying to waste there time and genuinely believe that they should get there paper work right. ? surley it's a fair defence.? some integrity must play a part somewhere...?
Were you pulled over?

[kiwifruit]

get onto fighting it well b4 it gets to court i say
im no expert, but ive had a bit of experence with getting raped by the cops
its worth kicking up a fuss about IMHO

[glegge]

Were you pulled over?
yeah *shrug* i was. i know what your going to say... dont talk about integrity... but my point is the system.. for it to work it has to be done correctly - that's what it all relys on and when they get it wrong, if that document is ment to identify ME then it clearly does not. it identifies a person that has no gender (which is possible by the way) and that's not me.
Thanks for your insider view though str8 jacket. good to hear from someone actualy in the system so to speek. thanks.

[glegge]

get onto fighting it well b4 it gets to court i say
im no expert, but ive had a bit of experence with getting raped by the cops
its worth kicking up a fuss about IMHO

so you just keep sending letters before the due date? is that the way ? or do you have to wait for your day in court? please tell!

[Str8 Jacket]

get onto fighting it well b4 it gets to court i say


Yes!! thats the way to go, to many people think they'll either fight it in court when you need to fight it with the issuing authority BEFORE it goes to court...

[kiwifruit]

go and lay a complaint with the guys boss and the police complaints authority

[Str8 Jacket]

yeah *shrug* i was. i know what your going to say... dont talk about integrity... but my point is the system.. for it to work it has to be done correctly - that's what it all relys on and when they get it wrong, if that document is ment to identify ME then it clearly does not. it identifies a person that has no gender (which is possible by the way) and that's not me.
Thanks for your insider view though str8 jacket. good to hear from someone actualy in the system so to speek. thanks.


The reason I ask this is the first thing there gonna look at is that you were pulled over therefore you knew you were getting a ticket. You would have more luck if it was a speed camera fine. But there's no way you'd win anything based on no gender wrong DOB etc when you were pulled over. Sorry wish it were more promising for ya!

[glegge]

Yes!! thats the way to go, to many people think they'll either fight it in court when you need to fight it with the issuing authority BEFORE it goes to court...

right that makes me feel better. i guess i'll write another letter advising i'm not happy with the outcome and i'd apprecaite they look into the matter in more depth and advise me excalty WHY the find the ticket still stands after looking at my facts/details.

i think i deserve more than a form letter to explain why i'm paying them money against a ticket for 'someone else'
cheers for that.

[Sniper]

You were caught speeding but you think its unfair you got a ticket? Looking for a way out just cause the gender is wrong? Mate, I would pay even if they had my name wrong, you were caught, pay the ticket. The guy was only trying to keep the road safer for the rest of us

[Str8 Jacket]

i think i deserve more than a form letter to explain why i'm paying them money against a ticket for 'someone else'
cheers for that.

Ring the PIB 0800 105 777 and they can explain everything to you... BUt if they have your name correct, rego correct, address correct and DOB correct then your gonna have to pay...

[The_Dover]

im no expert, but ive had a bit of experence with getting raped by the cops


Is that you Louise?

[glegge]

You were caught speeding but you think its unfair you got a ticket? Looking for a way out just cause the gender is wrong? Mate, I would pay even if they had my name wrong, you were caught, pay the ticket. The guy was only trying to keep the road safer for the rest of us

yeah - fair call mate.

[Lou Girardin]

The guy was only trying to keep the road safer for the rest of us

11k's over?
Make us safer? Give me a break.
They should have been around Sat night when not one but two cretins overtook us on the wrong side of a roundabout and traffic islands.

[kiwifruit]

The guy was only trying to keep the road safer for the rest of us

buahahahaha!!!
yeah fuckin right! :lol:
i might shut up now :D

[Sniper]

Implications guys, but I undersatnd not all are fans of the constabulary. :niceone: to glegge for taking it on the chin though

[glegge]

well after consideration, i think i'll write a letter saying 'why are you pursuing me when my details clearly do not match. please cease and desist' and 'do you have anything else apart from this useless document that does not identify me, to identify me as the driver?'

see what happens ay.

[Beemer]

Maybe they couldn't tell whether you were male or female and didn't want to offend you? :wait:

Don't think you've got a shit's show of getting off though, all you'll do is piss them off even more and make yourself a target.

[spudchucka]

Take it court, do everything you can to make the process as difficult as possible for them.
Taking dickheads to court is their job, why do you think that one more dickhead is going to make any difference? Its just a case of same shit, different arsehole.

[Str8 Jacket]

well after consideration, i think i'll write a letter saying 'why are you pursuing me when my details clearly do not match. please cease and desist' and 'do you have anything else apart from this useless document that does not identify me, to identify me as the driver?'

see what happens ay.

Your done for. They've declined it once for a reason. Basically like ive said before, they have your rego correct, your name correct and your DOB correct. They arent to worried about gender as males are becoming females in this country faster than you can say cun.. ah trust me you were pulled over, your screwed. Not to mention they will have your licence number. Your screwed mate. Write the letter and good luck with it, but if I were you id be putting some money aside to pay it... Either way be prepared to pay it. I wouldnt insist that you try and get a hearing either, the judge wil laugh at you!

Sorry if this sounds bitchy, ive just seen it all too many times. I used to collect fines over the phone a couple of years back and everytime someone had been pulled over and tried to contest the fine based on incorrect details on the ticket they've been charged more than they would have if they had just paid the bloody fine...

[spudchucka]

I do see your point str8 jacket but what if i'm not trying to waste there time and genuinely believe that they should get there paper work right. ? surley it's a fair defence.? some integrity must play a part somewhere...?
You were stopped by a cop, you provided the cop with your drivers licence, the cop recorded the drivers licence number and your name on the ticket that he handed you, the drivers licence number records all the relevant details of your identity, what difference does it make whether the cop wrote down whether you were a fella or a sheila? Other than he has now provided you false hope?

[spudchucka]

ive had a bit of experence with getting raped by the cops

Not Clint again?

[spudchucka]

go and lay a complaint with the guys boss and the police complaints authority
Yeah, do it, that'll fuck em!

[Dooly]

Is that you Louise?

Excellent.:first:

[ajturbo]

You were caught speeding but you think its unfair you got a ticket? Looking for a way out just cause the gender is wrong? Mate, I would pay even if they had my name wrong, you were caught, pay the ticket. The guy was only trying to keep the road safer for the rest of us

CRAP......!

[scumdog]

11 km/h over?! Fuckin wankers!!!
Take it court, do everything you can to make the process as difficult as possible for them.
What did they use to ping you?
Was it a car setup? when was the car calibrated? how worn were the tyres?
Its such a waste of time ticketing vehicles travelling such a small amount over,
i wouldnt take it lying down, but thats just me.....
Let us know how u get on
-Allan.
And this action has worked for YOU how many times???:wait:

[kiwifruit]

Yeah, do it, that'll fuck em!

its fucked em in the past :nya:

id be more inclined to go the route of making them prove the accuracy of the equipment. Worked for me.
I dont want to piss anyone off, just putting my spoke in with what has worked for me.

[kiwifruit]

And this action has worked for YOU how many times???:wait:
Over half of the dozens of speeding tickets i have recieved have been desputed sucessfully :)

[scumdog]

Mate, I've NEVER seen a speeding ticket that required a box ticked to indicate gender.

All it needs is everything you say they did correctly - you just have to be 'fairly informed'
It was you? your drivers licence number? your date of birth? you were 'driving' that vehicle as described on the ticket? on that road on that date and time? at that speed?

They don't need to circle the demerit points or put in 'occupation' either.

If all the above can be answered 'Yes' then just pay up.

This site has too many 'bush-lawyers' who give free advice.

If you follow that advice and things go wrong and you end up on the losing end of a Court battle will they pay the costs??

"I don't think so Tim"

[spudchucka]

id be more inclined to go the route of making them prove the accuracy of the equipment.
Certificate of accuracy, exhibit one your honour.

[scumdog]

Over half of the dozens of speeding tickets i have recieved have been desputed sucessfully :)

Sorry, my error, not specific enough! - I was meaning using this 'gender' thing as a defence as opposed to a real defence.

[Ixion]

They are under no obligation to specifiy your gender. The law is

Land Transport Atc 1998


1)A reminder notice may be in a form prescribed by regulations made under this Act or by regulations made under the Summary Proceedings Act 1957, but, if the form is prescribed under this Act, the reminder notice must contain—

(a)Such details of the alleged infringement offence as are sufficient fairly to inform a person of the time, place, and nature of the alleged offence; and
(b)In the case of a speeding offence, the applicable speed limit and the speed at which it is alleged the driver was travelling at the time of the alleged offence; and
(c)In the case of an offence to which demerit points apply, a statement that demerit points apply to the alleged offence; and
(d)In the case of an infringement offence (other than a speeding offence) in respect of which a scale of infringement fees is prescribed having regard to the extent of the alleged offence, the extent of the infringement offence alleged; and
(e)The amount of the infringement fee specified in respect of that offence; and
(f)The address of the place at which the infringement fee may be paid; and
(g)The time within which the infringement fee may be paid; and
(h)A summary of the provisions of section 21(10) of the Summary Proceedings Act 1957; and
(i)In the case of an alleged infringement offence that is a moving vehicle offence, a summary of the provisions of section 133; and
(j)A statement of the right of the person served with the notice to request a hearing; and
(k)A statement of the consequences if the person served with the notice does not pay the infringement fee and does not make a request for a hearing; and
(l)Such other particulars as are prescribed.



They have to provide you with sufficient information for you to be able to determine if it was you that they are talking about or not.That's all. What is above is all the reminder has to contain. Doesn't say they have to specify your gender.

Even if you had not been stopped, your only hope on the flimsy basis of omitting gender from the reminder notice (and gender is not required on the actual infringment notice, so its absence of the reminder is entirely irrelevant) would be if you had an twin sister living at the same address. Though even then as (presumably) owner of the vehicle , they'd get you. Anyway , as you were stopped at the time the odds of convincing a judge that you thought the police were mistaken and it was someone else are zero.

Sorry, but they got you dead to rights. Not a great enthusiast of the 111kph thing , but it's pointless to pin your hopes on an omission that is not material

[jord]

um get over it and pay. 11kph is 11kph. technicality is a very PC term and if your pickin up stuf lik that then your as bad as them.

[2much]

Sorry, my error, not specific enough! - I was meaning using this 'gender' thing as a defence as opposed to a real defence.

Did you read this?

id be more inclined to go the route of making them prove the accuracy of the equipment. Worked for me.

I'm with kiwifruit here, any cop that gives you a ticket for 111k's is a fucktard.

If you use your head there's dozens of ways to get off tickets, speak to those who have done it for a start.... Missing a check box isn't gonna get you off but there's other ways. Basically can you be fucked putting the effort in that's required? If so, be smart about it.

[scumdog]

Did you read this?


I'm with kiwifruit here, any cop that gives you a ticket for 111k's is a fucktard.

If you use your head there's dozens of ways to get off tickets, speak to those who have done it for a start.... Missing a check box isn't gonna get you off but there's other ways. Basically can you be fucked putting the effort in that's required? If so, be smart about it.

I'll be sure and post about any of my tickets (11kph or not) that are ever successfully defended.
$80 ticket?
How BADLY do you want to get off - see my post earlier (#41) on about costs and bushlawyers.
Life is too short to fester on low-grade impact on it like this.

[The_Dover]

Do you think my friend could question the accuracy of their equipment? Or is an error of 65km/h fairly unlikely?

Arse.

[scumdog]

Do you think my friend could question the accuracy of their equipment? Or is an error of 65km/h fairly unlikely?

Arse.

Piff! I have a whole hay-barn of similar such straws you could try clutching at!!.

[glegge]

thanks for all the comments. interesting reading. at this stage i just have the original ticket, the reminder and the reply to my letter saying the ticket stands. i may write back saying it's a case of mistaken identity or i may just ask for more of a reason as to why my last letter prompted them to continue there action against me.
either way i'm quite prepaired to pay up. i just want to see that i live in a country where the systems work right for the right reasons, i'm happy to pay but figure if they 'slip up' it shows the systems are crap (i already know this of course) and why not get off. not be another sheep and just pay up when its there job .. everyones job to ensure the systems we live by work right.

anyway - *idealistic rant mode off*
thanks again for all your comments etc. makes for an interesting read.
appreciate it.

[scumdog]

Good one, welcome to real life.:yes:

[riffer]

Which prompts me to ask a question:

Do I have to pay a fine if they spell my name wrong?

[glegge]

Which prompts me to ask a question:

Do I have to pay a fine if they spell my name wrong?
I would have to say no - for sure - no way!

[kiwifruit]

Which prompts me to ask a question:

Do I have to pay a fine if they spell my name wrong?

I wouldnt :D

[Str8 Jacket]

Which prompts me to ask a question:

Do I have to pay a fine if they spell my name wrong?

If you were pulled over and they recorded your licence number and vehicle rego correctly then it wont matter if they spelt your name wrong and put your gender as a female you'll most likely have to pay it.

glegge- Just make sure that if the Police will not withdraw the fine that you pay it. Otherwise it'll come to court with another $30 added to it which you HAVE to pay. And then if you leave another 2 months and dont pay it the courts will add another $100 and enforce it. That'd really piss you of im guessing?...

[Ixion]

Do you think my friend could question the accuracy of their equipment? Or is an error of 65km/h fairly unlikely?

Arse.


Just a tad, just a tad.

But , any other vehicles about that could arguably have been "in the beam"?

Any reflective (laser) or radio interference type stuff at that point?

All of which is really pretty hopeless anyway, though a traffic lawyer can make bricks from surprisingly little straw.If you think it's worth $5000 bucks for an outside chance.

[glegge]

If you were pulled over and they recorded your licence number and vehicle rego correctly then it wont matter if they spelt your name wrong and put your gender as a female you'll most likely have to pay it.

glegge- Just make sure that if the Police will not withdraw the fine that you pay it. Otherwise it'll come to court with another $30 added to it which you HAVE to pay. And then if you leave another 2 months and dont pay it the courts will add another $100 and enforce it. That'd really piss you of im guessing?...
yep, i hear you and thanks for that.
i'll make sure i do all of this before it hits the court. although like most people i thought the cort would be where you would fight it. but i understand what your saying and it makes sense.
cant hurt to make em work a bit harder. may be next time the will get it right the first time (as they should every time). just my 10c of course.

cheers and thanks for all the advice.

[Insanity_rules]

Damn only 11 K's over. I hear a speedo can go as high as that much out. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get the fines out or must be a new cop out to prove him/herself.

[spudchucka]

They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get the fines out...
Most will be glad to hear some of the rumours I've been hearing lately, regarding speeding offences etc.

Word is that there are plans afoot to make speeding offences up to +20kph a demerit points only offence. I reckon the cops will like it too as the BS about revenue gathering will be down the toilet and the cops will happily write infringement notices to all and sundy, happy in the knowledge that they aren't removing any $$$ from the offending driver and therefore not eroding public confidence in the police's ability to solve murders:gob: .

Might be slightly detrimental to quite a few driver licences though, oh well, at least we won't be accused of being pseudo tax collectors.

The other rumour I've been hearing is that driver licence breaches are likely to lose the $400 fine and be replaced with a 28 suspension, better rush out and get those full licences sorted.

Maybe its just rumours, still it would be nice not to have to scrape the bottom of the barrell every time I go off to work.

[number33]

"it would be nice not to have to scrape the bottom of the barrell every time I go off to work."

Hey Spud, I hear they're scouting new talent for brokeback mountain II. Give em' a ring, act natural, you could become a star.

[spudchucka]

Hey Spud, I hear they're scouting new talent for brokeback mountain II. Give em' a ring, act natural, you could become a star.
You're so funny..........:yawn:

[scumdog]

Damn only 11 K's over. I hear a speedo can go as high as that much out. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get the fines out or must be a new cop out to prove him/herself.

Theres a few reasons why a person may get a ticket for that speed - one of them is attitude, some people are good at talking themselves out of advice/warning into a ticket.:innocent:

[Bandit Rider]

Word is that there are plans afoot to make speeding offences up to +20kph a demerit points only offence. .



Yeah right.

[Lou Girardin]

Demerit points only for the 75+% of all speeding tickets issued?
I can't see Helen and co agreeing to that one.
She'll pat Howard on the head and say "run along now and lift those ticket numbers. And have a word with the Spud chappie, he's letting the side down".

[spudchucka]

Demerit points only for the 75+% of all speeding tickets issued?
I was told this by somebody that should have a reasonable inside knowledge of such things. Time will tell I guess. Personally I'd love to see it happen.

[Ixion]

Well, that would depend on whether the demerits per kph , as it were, remain the same.If the demerits stay as is and they just drop the fine, that's good. If they bump up the demerits to compensate that's very very bad. I can't see LTSA doing something that is beneficial for motorists, so I'd pick the latter.

What I'd really like of course, is they drop the demerits and leave the fine. Even increase the fine if they must. Have a word would you Mr Spudchucka. Chuck spuds at 'em until they agree.

[Lou Girardin]

I was told this by somebody that should have a reasonable inside knowledge of such things. Time will tell I guess. Personally I'd love to see it happen.

Annette King floated it as an idea some months ago. It would make no difference to me, I have no demerits and while I object to paying speed tax, it won't break me.

[Squeak the Rat]

some people are good at talking themselves out of advice/warning into a ticket.:innocent:

True, especially down south:


Where you from sir?

Auckland.

Ticket.
:D

[scumdog]

True, especially down south:


Where you from sir?

Auckland.

Ticket.
:D

Actually the last words were:

Well you had better learn to use that radar detector properly if you don't want tickets.

Ticket.

[scumdog]

True, especially down south:


Where you from sir?

Auckland.

Ticket.
:D

Actually the last words were:

"Welcome to the South, you had better learn to use that radar detector properly if you don't want tickets".

Ticket.

[Lou Girardin]

Actually the last words were:

"Welcome to the South, you had better learn to use that radar detector properly if you don't want tickets".

Ticket.

I thought it was, "welcome to the south, boy.
You gotta mighty purty mouth, boy.
Do you squeal like a pig, boy?

[spudchucka]

What I'd really like of course, is they drop the demerits and leave the fine. Even increase the fine if they must.
Sorry, can't agree. Fines for traffic offences don't hit all offenders equally. Take Lou's response, post 67, while he objects to the fine it won't break him. In contrast, many of us aren't as well off as lou and a few hundred $$$ in fines could well break us. The wealthy business man in his new Porshe wouldn't give a toss about a fine but a solo parent on a fixed income is going to really feel the pain. Demerit points hit everyone equally, regardless of how wealthy or poor you may be.

[Lou Girardin]

Take Lou's response, post 67, while he objects to the fine it won't break him. In contrast, many of us aren't as well off as lou and a few hundred $$$ in fines could well break us. .

Yeah sure Spud, I don't even earn as much as your commission.
I just prefer low stress:zzzz: to big bucks. Plus I live frugally:innocent: and ride a warehouse bike.:scooter:

[spudchucka]

Yeah sure Spud, I don't even earn as much as your commission.
I just prefer low stress:zzzz: to big bucks. Plus I live frugally:innocent: and ride a warehouse bike.:scooter:
Am I supposed to get a commission? No prick every told me until now, wonder if I can get back pay on that?

[imdying]

Do I have to pay a fine if they spell my name wrong?I doubt if they're allowed to discriminate against dyslexics like that ;)

[Zapf]

The judge had a field day with him and it ended up costing him a fortune. Im guessing they pulled you over?

how come ending up costing him a fortune? I thought you can not be changed with more than what you are going to court for?

[Zapf]

right that makes me feel better. i guess i'll write another letter advising i'm not happy with the outcome and i'd apprecaite they look into the matter in more depth and advise me excalty WHY the find the ticket still stands after looking at my facts/details.

i think i deserve more than a form letter to explain why i'm paying them money against a ticket for 'someone else'
cheers for that.

You could... feel insulted by being refered as a genderless object.... not him / she but "it", grounds for complain?

[Ixion]

how come ending up costing him a fortune? I thought you can not be changed with more than what you are going to court for?
If it goes to court judge can give you a bigger fine than the standard "instant fine" tariff. Plus court costs. The "instant fine" is sort of a discount.

I think most minor speeding charges are up to $1000 fine if it goes to court. Naughty boy stuff, more. Plus costs. And more costs.

[Zapf]

If it goes to court judge can give you a bigger fine than the standard "instant fine" tariff. Plus court costs. The "instant fine" is sort of a discount.

I think most minor speeding charges are up to $1000 fine if it goes to court. Naughty boy stuff, more. Plus costs. And more costs.

wow... really? never knew that before. any idea if you know where is the law that defines maxium allowable fines for the speed over the posted limit?

[Ixion]

http://www.legislation.govt.nz

Can't jump to specific statutes. But you want (from memory) the Land Transport Act 1962 , Land Transport Act 1998, and the associated regulations and rules.

EDIT: LAND TRANSPORT (OFFENCES AND PENALTIES) REGULATIONS 1999 is probably what you want. Shedule 1 , around Sect 5. Penalty on summary conviction.

[Lou Girardin]

If it goes to court judge can give you a bigger fine than the standard "instant fine" tariff. Plus court costs. The "instant fine" is sort of a discount.

I think most minor speeding charges are up to $1000 fine if it goes to court. Naughty boy stuff, more. Plus costs. And more costs.

He can also fine you less, as did a kindly 'beak' who said he couldn't dismiss a charge for me but said he'd make the fine and costs the same as the instant fine.

[scroter]

sorry mate but you were speeding. pay it and let it go, vunless your out of demerits then fight it.

[PuppetMaster]

sorry mate but you were speeding. pay it and let it go, vunless your out of demerits then fight it.



No he wasnt. He was doing 50kph in an 84kph area.
Write the letter, what harm can it do. If you get off this ticket it will make up for that ticket you WILL get cause plod has to make his quota for the day.

[diggydog]

what about down in wellington, where he got a ticket with his name and address was correct, but one section written down as arsehole.
They said he problable would'nt get off on a technicality, but he is now paraplegic. he had two speeding tickets he said he only was doing over speed limit 9km's as the officer said it was 16km's.

[Lou Girardin]

what about down in wellington, where he got a ticket with his name and address was correct, but one section written down as arsehole.
They said he problable would'nt get off on a technicality, but he is now paraplegic. he had two speeding tickets he said he only was doing over speed limit 9km's as the officer said it was 16km's.

He gave his occupation as arsehole, which the cop duly wrote down. As I would have.
Police management, who really couldn't manage a piss-up in a brewery, said that it was 'inappropriate'.:tugger:

[FJRider]

Well yes. 11k's over and I get a ticket.

the nice bit was that when I got the reminder they filled out my name address and date of birth correctly BUT they left my gender blank (no gender? sexless? I think not)...


So, I wrote in saying that I’d be happy to help them locate this genderless person with the name, address and birth date as myself and to please advise the outcome of there investigations.

They replied with there standard form letter - ' we have reviewed the details blah blah.. Pay the ticket.'

I am interested in people’s thoughts on this. I don’t mind paying the ticket but figure if they’re not going to get the paper work right, why should I pay and help revenue collection.
If this is a valid technicality (no sex noted when I clearly am a male) then is that just cause for getting off and I should take it to curt. Why let them get sloppy I say.
Cheers for your thoughts.

If you having NO sex is a valid reason for you're exempted from speeding infringements ... or ANY OTHER part of New Zealand law/traffic regulations ... 95% of New Zealand males will be exempt in this respect ... at some time ... :innocent:

[scumdog]

Fark...thread dredge to the max boy!

[FJRider]

Fark...thread dredge to the max boy!

Hey ... it's SNOWING ... well outside ... :lol:

[mattian]

This is an interesting one because I have a friend (seriously, its not me) who got snapped by a speed camera van that was parked illegally on a council verge. We were discussing the possibilty of defending the ticket and the probability of having it dismissed because of that.

[FJRider]

This is an interesting one because I have a friend (seriously, its not me) who got snapped by a speed camera van that was parked illegally on a council verge. We were discussing the possibilty of defending the ticket and the probability of having it dismissed because of that.

don't hold your breath ... :facepalm:

[pritch]

Serious dredge. Lots of names from the past. All sorts of unintended humour?
Kiwifruit didn't take it lying down, but still got raped by the cops.

The OP was pissed-off about a missing tick in a box but was waaaay below par in his spelling. I wonder if he's figured it all out yet?

[FJRider]

Serious dredge. Lots of names from the past. All sorts of unintended humour?
Kiwifruit didn't take it lying down, but still got raped by the cops.

The OP was pissed-off about a missing tick in a box but was waaaay below par in his spelling. I wonder if he's figured it all out yet?

Those were the days ... right ... ?? :facepalm:

and no ... I doubt if he has ... :blink: