Speeding ticket - getting off on a technicality

**glegge** · 29th May 2006, 10:46

Well yes. 11k's over and I get a ticket.

the nice bit was that when I got the reminder they filled out my name address and date of birth correctly BUT they left my gender blank (no gender? sexless? I think not)...

So, I wrote in saying that I’d be happy to help them locate this genderless person with the name, address and birth date as myself and to please advise the outcome of there investigations.

They replied with there standard form letter - ' we have reviewed the details blah blah.. Pay the ticket.'

I am interested in people’s thoughts on this. I don’t mind paying the ticket but figure if they’re not going to get the paper work right, why should I pay and help revenue collection.
If this is a valid technicality (no sex noted when I clearly am a male) then is that just cause for getting off and I should take it to curt. Why let them get sloppy I say.
Cheers for your thoughts.

**skelstar** · 29th May 2006, 10:48

Harden up and take the ticket.

Would hardly say that not ticking a box is sloppy.

**glegge** · 29th May 2006, 10:50

Originally Posted by skelstar

Harden up and take the ticket.

Would hardly say that not ticking a box is sloppy.

Yeah - fair call mate, but i just figure that if we have to live by these laws then fair is fair and they can do the job properly otherwise where does the sloppyness end ay?

thanks for the comment. appreciate the different opinions.

I'd really like a legal stance on this to be honest if anyone knows?

**Str8 Jacket** · 29th May 2006, 10:50

Dude, believe me you will not get of your fine for no gender. Seriously. What will happen if you take it to court is that the judge will decide what the cost of the fine for speeding is PLUS you will have to pay $130 court costs on top of it. Its just not worth it. Trust me I have worked for the Min of Justice for 4 years now and have seen this happen time and time again. I remember dealing with a profile of someone who's DOB was recorded incorrectly when he was pulled over. The judge had a field day with him and it ended up costing him a fortune. Im guessing they pulled you over? If they did all the judge will say is you were pulled over so were aware of the fine, end of story. Really not worth the cost, time or energy!

**skelstar** · 29th May 2006, 10:54

Ok - two senarios:
1. They get your letter and subsequent legal response and say 'wow, you know if I dotted our i's and cross out t's I would have got this guy...damn, I must be more vigilant'.
2. The officer who hates doing paperwork and wasting his/her time on this kiinda shit has a worse attitude for the next motorcyclist who exceeds the limit by a trivial amount.

Not exactly win/win.

I understand why you ask though.

**kiwifruit** · 29th May 2006, 10:58

11 km/h over?! Fuckin wankers!!!
Take it court, do everything you can to make the process as difficult as possible for them.
What did they use to ping you?
Was it a car setup? when was the car calibrated? how worn were the tyres?
Its such a waste of time ticketing vehicles travelling such a small amount over,
i wouldnt take it lying down, but thats just me.....
Let us know how u get on
-Allan.

**glegge** · 29th May 2006, 11:00

thanks for that. guess i'll just cough up.

I just hate the bit where we are all ment to live by this 'system' and then you start going through it and it's full of holes. the least they could do is get the paper work correct.

as for the cop with a bad attitude due to doing his job... i'm sorry but he shouldint be a cop if he cant handle the paper work. thats not a good excuse for being a prick to the next person on the road. (in my humble opinion).

thanks again for the comments - very constructive.

**kiwifruit** · 29th May 2006, 11:01

Originally Posted by glegge

thanks for that. guess i'll just cough up.

nooooooooo, dont do it!
fight fight fight!!!

**Str8 Jacket** · 29th May 2006, 11:02

Originally Posted by kiwifruit

11 km/h over?! Fuckin wankers!!!
Take it court, do everything you can to make the process as difficult as possible for them.

ARRGH!! NO dont do this! So many people believe that this will solve their problem. It wont. The judge will go, righto here's a fine for $500 for speeding plus another $130 for trying to waste my time. Then you will have two months to pay this larger amount or someone will either take a sum of $$ staright form your source of income or they'll just come and take your vehicle and sell it. It could take them a while to do this if you had simply just not paid the fine, but if you insist on making a big deal and take it to court they will remember you and you will be first on their "enforcement list". Not trying to put anyone down here but just inform you of what will happen...

**glegge** · 29th May 2006, 11:03

Originally Posted by kiwifruit

nooooooooo, dont do it!
fight fight fight!!!

yeah well -i'd like to think i can but from the comments from str8 jacket i'm thinking i'd be wasting my time.
I dont mind the money - it's the demerits and the fact that it's such a dumb speed in a dumb place (bottom of a hill) with a young cop that thinks he's gods gift.. still .. what can you do. sometimes living in this society just sucks and you have to bend over and take it ay.
still - the rules are the rules. the speed is set and we all know it. - that's why it bugs me that they can get away with simple clerical errors when i cant get away with a slight oversight in speed. it's just wrong and dosint help people believe in society and systems.

**kiwifruit** · 29th May 2006, 11:04

Bollocks!
I have gotten off more tickets than i have paid by not simply taking the raping they dish out

**glegge** · 29th May 2006, 11:05

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Dude, believe me you will not get of your fine for no gender. Seriously. What will happen if you take it to court is that the judge will decide what the cost of the fine for speeding is PLUS you will have to pay $130 court costs on top of it. Its just not worth it. Trust me I have worked for the Min of Justice for 4 years now and have seen this happen time and time again. I remember dealing with a profile of someone who's DOB was recorded incorrectly when he was pulled over. The judge had a field day with him and it ended up costing him a fortune. Im guessing they pulled you over? If they did all the judge will say is you were pulled over so were aware of the fine, end of story. Really not worth the cost, time or energy!

I do see your point str8 jacket but what if i'm not trying to waste there time and genuinely believe that they should get there paper work right. ? surley it's a fair defence.? some integrity must play a part somewhere...?

**Str8 Jacket** · 29th May 2006, 11:06

What you've got to realise is that the courts are just like Baycorp, its the cops that give you the fine and when its overdue they send it to court. The fine cannot just be wiped by the court the Police have to withdraw it themselves. If they wont do that then the court have to collect it and if you still refuse to pay it the court can MAKE you. I dont necessarily agree with the system, but I know how it works.

**Str8 Jacket** · 29th May 2006, 11:07

Originally Posted by glegge

I do see your point str8 jacket but what if i'm not trying to waste there time and genuinely believe that they should get there paper work right. ? surley it's a fair defence.? some integrity must play a part somewhere...?

Were you pulled over?

**kiwifruit** · 29th May 2006, 11:10

get onto fighting it well b4 it gets to court i say
im no expert, but ive had a bit of experence with getting raped by the cops
its worth kicking up a fuss about IMHO

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